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dyst
01-19-2018, 12:19 PM
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This guy was nuts. I mean he averaged 13.1 rebounds per game over a 14 year career and had years of 18.7, 18.3, and 17.3 to go with stout defense. Granted, maybe offenses are better today thus less chance for rebounding but those numbers are still amazing.

*Also, I know guys like Wilt and Bill Russel had awesome numbers too. I just used Rodman because it's at least close in terms of era.

Ahriman
01-19-2018, 12:32 PM
Drummond is stellar at rebounding. Rodman's TRB% during his 4 most prolific rebounding seasons (last two DET and the two SAS) were:

91'-92': 26.2%
92'-93': 26.0%
93'-94': 25.7%
94'-95': 29.7% => Although on a 49 game sample

Now looking at Drummond these past four seasons, he's been improving at a steady rate:

14'-15': 24.0%
15'-16': 24.5%
16'-17': 25.2%
17'-18': 25.7% => 41 game sample

Granted Rodman was a better rebounder but there are still some impressive guys nowadays

WaDe03
01-19-2018, 12:45 PM
He would be Jerami Grant if he played in today's league.

Scoots
01-19-2018, 12:48 PM
The game is different, and rebounding was sacrificed for transition offense and defense.

tredigs
01-19-2018, 12:55 PM
The game is different, and rebounding was sacrificed for transition offense and defense.

This, and Rodman would regularly not close out on his man in anticipation of the rebound (there could be merit that this is a good strategy, but there's no argument that it bolstered his rebounding numbers). He also was an INCREDIBLE athlete from a strength+stamina perspective, and was relentless on loose balls (think of the most relentless player in today's league in his most aggressive moment. That's Rodman on Tuesday night on the road against the Clippers). Dennis Rodman was one of a kind, to say the least.

dyst
01-19-2018, 01:41 PM
He would be Jerami Grant if he played in today's league.He routinely went up against guys like Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq, Barkely, Malone, Jordan, Pippen among others and still gave them fits on defense while getting his on the rebounding side and you compare him to Jerami Grant?

Grant is a JAG, Rodman could possibly go into the HoF one day lol. 5 time NBA champion and a major contributor on each one. 2 time defensive player of the year, 8 time all defensive team, 2 all stars and 7 consecutive years he lead the league in rebound average.

tredigs
01-19-2018, 01:55 PM
He routinely went up against guys like Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq, Barkely, Malone, Jordan, Pippen among others and still gave them fits on defense while getting his on the rebounding side and you compare him to Jerami Grant?

Grant is a JAG, Rodman could possibly go into the HoF one day lol. 5 time NBA champion and a major contributor on each one. 2 time defensive player of the year, 8 time all defensive team, 2 all stars and 7 consecutive years he lead the league in rebound average.

yeah but if you dropped Grant into 1991 he'd be Dennis Rodman. And if you dropped him into 1965 he'd be Bill Russell. And if you dropped him into 0 he'd be Jesus. That's how this works.

dyst
01-19-2018, 01:58 PM
yeah but if you dropped Grant into 1991 he'd be Dennis Rodman. And if you dropped him into 1965 he'd be Bill Russell. And if you dropped him into 0 he'd be Jesus. That's how this works.lol, okay okay, that's PSD mentality. I understand now.

GREATNESS ONE
01-19-2018, 02:04 PM
Lolz at “Today’s game is different” so Rodman wouldn’t be effective :laugh2: you guys are hilarious.

Scoots
01-19-2018, 02:48 PM
Lolz at “Today’s game is different” so Rodman wouldn’t be effective :laugh2: you guys are hilarious.

Who said that? Rodman would be effective, he just wouldn't get those rebounding numbers, just like he didn't get the numbers some of the guys before him supposedly got.

ChongInc.
01-19-2018, 03:46 PM
Probably the best pure rebounder we will see in our lifetime.

GREATNESS ONE
01-19-2018, 03:52 PM
Probably the best pure rebounder we will see in our lifetime.

Thank you. His defense, hustle, intensity and YES Rebounding would translate to any era.

WaDe03
01-19-2018, 03:55 PM
Today's game is different so I don't think he would be effective.

dyst
01-19-2018, 03:55 PM
Had a quick second bounce and was only 6-7 or something. Amazing.

GREATNESS ONE
01-19-2018, 04:14 PM
Today's game is different so I don't think he would be effective.

Lol stop showing your age. That’s like Saying, Shaq would be too big for today’s NBA.

GREATNESS ONE
01-19-2018, 04:15 PM
Had a quick second bounce and was only 6-7 or something. Amazing.

I miss legit hustle defense.... you barely see it now and it’s refreshing to see. Rodman was a nutcase and you definitey didn’t want him to shoot but damn the guy did everything else.

LOb0
01-19-2018, 04:18 PM
Bash Rodman all you want. There is a reason why his rebounding numbers were higher than everyone else in an era were size reigned. Why didn't anyone else put up numbers like that if it was "Just the era"

WaDe03
01-19-2018, 05:50 PM
Lol stop showing your age. That’s like Saying, Shaq would be too big for today’s NBA.

I literally only posted this because of your previous post lol!

Chronz
01-19-2018, 06:01 PM
Who said that? Rodman would be effective, he just wouldn't get those rebounding numbers, just like he didn't get the numbers some of the guys before him supposedly got.

So he'd get better numbers?

GREATNESS ONE
01-20-2018, 01:28 AM
I literally only posted this because of your previous post lol!

:laugh2: Troll Mode engaged!

Scoots
01-20-2018, 01:33 AM
Bash Rodman all you want. There is a reason why his rebounding numbers were higher than everyone else in an era were size reigned. Why didn't anyone else put up numbers like that if it was "Just the era"

Nobody seriously said it was "just the era". I said his numbers would be lower today, but that's because total rebounds are down. I loved Rodman and he was a great rebounder and defender ... that fact doesn't mean he'd put up the same numbers today.

Scoots
01-20-2018, 01:34 AM
So he'd get better numbers?

No, he would get fewer rebounds per game.

Jeffy25
01-20-2018, 01:36 AM
I'd love to see his scrambling and contested rebounding numbers. He was such a beast at getting to balls he shouldn't have gotten to.

Jeffy25
01-20-2018, 01:40 AM
I see a lot of Reggie Evans with better defense in Rodman. He is such a one of a kind that you can't find a true comp to him.

IKnowHoops
01-20-2018, 01:44 AM
D---! PSD posters no nothing about the 90's. Rodman would easily post any rebound number in any era. Those who say otherwise just showed there ---. Same guys who don't think 5 Mikes would rule. Wow.

GREATNESS ONE
01-20-2018, 02:06 AM
Nobody seriously said it was "just the era". I said his numbers would be lower today, but that's because total rebounds are down. I loved Rodman and he was a great rebounder and defender ... that fact doesn't mean he'd put up the same numbers today.

Lol
No
He
Wouldn’t.

More shots, more rebounds, faster pace, more attempts....

I get it, you get to watch and root for the Warriors but if you think he would get less rebounds in a era with smaller men and more attempts...idk man. I just can’t see one of the great defensive rebounding players not fitting in a era which lacks it.

R. Johnson#3
01-20-2018, 03:35 AM
Rodman would average 20 RPG in todays NBA with all the small lineups

FlashBolt
01-20-2018, 05:05 AM
Nobody seriously said it was "just the era". I said his numbers would be lower today, but that's because total rebounds are down. I loved Rodman and he was a great rebounder and defender ... that fact doesn't mean he'd put up the same numbers today.

Total rebounding numbers on average is actually very similar. The biggest issue of today's game affecting Rodman would be that ORB would be hurt big time because he's not able to pound the paint for every rebound. Shots are bouncing off deep with the threeball and so we're seeing guards gobble up rebounds more than ever. I think the issue with Rodman is he just can't score. That type of offensive liability where a team knows they can have an overwhelming advantage in a lack of floor spreading is very valuable. Dennis Rodman actually has a higher rebounding rate than any other player in NBA history but his defense and rebounding would take a hit. The defense today is more clean than what Dennis was allowed to get away with back then. The rebounding from close to the basket wouldn't be as available for him as well. to be honest, I'm not sure I would take Dennis over Draymond if I was building a team.

lol, please
01-20-2018, 05:21 AM
I literally only posted this because of your previous post lol!Lmao savage

I was about to jump in that *** too for that comment til I saw this lmao

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JasonJohnHorn
01-20-2018, 09:57 AM
There are some skill sets that don't translate terribly well from one generation to the next. A post-up game. Great in the 80s/90s, not as useful now. Mid-range game? Would let you kill it in the 90s; you'd be losing to the 3pt shooters today.

Rebounding is not one of those skills. It is transferrable. Rodman would be posting numbers that rivalled Wilt and Russell's numbers. Rodman posted 18 boards a game at a time when coaches like Wilkens and Fratello were slowing down the game to keep less talented teams within striking distance of better teams by keeping the margin of the game down. Knicks and Rockets focused on post-up games, where it was slowed down and grind it out. Teams like the Trailblazers and Bulls had good passing systems that worked defenses to get good shots off.

All this translated to fewer possessions, and in that context, Rodman, who was a marathon-calibre athlete, was grabbing 18 boards a game.

In the post-seven-second-offense NBA, with so many teams running the court like the Showtime Lakers with 3-bombers going off, Rodman has more rebounds to grab.

But it's not just that. It's also the way he studied the game. I know guys on here have heard the stories already, but Rodman used to watch guys in warm up, count the rotations on the ball when the shot it, and study where their rebounds tended to fall. He'd watch the ball in the game and know where it was going to bounce to. It wasn't like he was just boxing out and happened to be quick; he was methodical, and the long rebounds were where he really excelled.

So... with more possessions, AND more long-ange jumpers, and more missed shots (even though a .400 the 3pt is more efficient than a .500 post player, they still miss more shots), Rodman's rebounding numbers would likely exceed 20 a game in today's NBA, or even 22.

It would be insane.

Heediot
01-20-2018, 11:48 AM
Today's game is different so I don't think he would be effective.

His versatility on defense could be argued to be more important in today's position-less basketball. He'll still get his boards off of will, effort, and ball awareness, but I think his rebounding numbers dip as their are more stretch bigs to guard. The defensive schemes are more complicated so it'll take away from his positioning at times. He'll still be the best at getting rebounds though. Him and Barkley were undersized guys who could grab it with the best of them.

I might have to agree about offense. It's harder to hide guys in the modern game. Defenses will just sag off him like they do for the Tony Allen, Rubio types. Back then defensive specialists had their role and could stay on the court with less worry. It was more of an isolation game back then so spacing was different with the no zone rules.
I think his contribution on defense, the glass, pure effort and hustle will still make his game too valuable for him not to be on the floor.

Heediot
01-20-2018, 11:56 AM
There are some skill sets that don't translate terribly well from one generation to the next. A post-up game. Great in the 80s/90s, not as useful now. Mid-range game? Would let you kill it in the 90s; you'd be losing to the 3pt shooters today.

Rebounding is not one of those skills. It is transferrable. Rodman would be posting numbers that rivalled Wilt and Russell's numbers. Rodman posted 18 boards a game at a time when coaches like Wilkens and Fratello were slowing down the game to keep less talented teams within striking distance of better teams by keeping the margin of the game down. Knicks and Rockets focused on post-up games, where it was slowed down and grind it out. Teams like the Trailblazers and Bulls had good passing systems that worked defenses to get good shots off.

All this translated to fewer possessions, and in that context, Rodman, who was a marathon-calibre athlete, was grabbing 18 boards a game.

In the post-seven-second-offense NBA, with so many teams running the court like the Showtime Lakers with 3-bombers going off, Rodman has more rebounds to grab.

But it's not just that. It's also the way he studied the game. I know guys on here have heard the stories already, but Rodman used to watch guys in warm up, count the rotations on the ball when the shot it, and study where their rebounds tended to fall. He'd watch the ball in the game and know where it was going to bounce to. It wasn't like he was just boxing out and happened to be quick; he was methodical, and the long rebounds were where he really excelled.

So... with more possessions, AND more long-ange jumpers, and more missed shots (even though a .400 the 3pt is more efficient than a .500 post player, they still miss more shots), Rodman's rebounding numbers would likely exceed 20 a game in today's NBA, or even 22.

It would be insane.

Good post, never thought of it that way about him being so good with the long boards.

PowerHouse
01-20-2018, 12:30 PM
Rodman could possibly go into the HoF one day lol. 5 time NBA champion and a major contributor on each one. 2 time defensive player of the year, 8 time all defensive team, 2 all stars and 7 consecutive years he lead the league in rebound average.

You know about all those accolades but you're not aware he's already in the hall? That's gotta be accolade #1 on his list of accomplishments.

Scoots
01-20-2018, 03:19 PM
D---! PSD posters no nothing about the 90's. Rodman would easily post any rebound number in any era. Those who say otherwise just showed there ---. Same guys who don't think 5 Mikes would rule. Wow.

He desperately wanted 40 rebounds in a game ... you are saying he could do that every game now?

Scoots
01-20-2018, 03:24 PM
Lol
No
He
Wouldn’t.

More shots, more rebounds, faster pace, more attempts....

I get it, you get to watch and root for the Warriors but if you think he would get less rebounds in a era with smaller men and more attempts...idk man. I just can’t see one of the great defensive rebounding players not fitting in a era which lacks it.

I was a fan of Rodman and the Pistons and Bulls when he was a playing. He was a great defensive player and he played the scheme. Look at the rebounding percentages now vs then. Coaches have decided to spread rebounds around and deprioritized offensive rebounds. Are you saying Rodman, who is generally regarded as a team first guy and a great scheme player would ignore the scheme just to stat pad? Add to that that in his best years in total rebounds he was playing 40 or near 40 minutes a game, he would be playing fewer minutes because everybody does now, let alone that he'd be playing fewer minutes because of his offensive issues. He will always be a great rebounder, I just don't think he would get as many.

lol, please
01-20-2018, 03:37 PM
There are some skill sets that don't translate terribly well from one generation to the next. A post-up game. Great in the 80s/90s, not as useful now. Mid-range game? Would let you kill it in the 90s; you'd be losing to the 3pt shooters today.

Rebounding is not one of those skills. It is transferrable. Rodman would be posting numbers that rivalled Wilt and Russell's numbers. Rodman posted 18 boards a game at a time when coaches like Wilkens and Fratello were slowing down the game to keep less talented teams within striking distance of better teams by keeping the margin of the game down. Knicks and Rockets focused on post-up games, where it was slowed down and grind it out. Teams like the Trailblazers and Bulls had good passing systems that worked defenses to get good shots off.

All this translated to fewer possessions, and in that context, Rodman, who was a marathon-calibre athlete, was grabbing 18 boards a game.

In the post-seven-second-offense NBA, with so many teams running the court like the Showtime Lakers with 3-bombers going off, Rodman has more rebounds to grab.

But it's not just that. It's also the way he studied the game. I know guys on here have heard the stories already, but Rodman used to watch guys in warm up, count the rotations on the ball when the shot it, and study where their rebounds tended to fall. He'd watch the ball in the game and know where it was going to bounce to. It wasn't like he was just boxing out and happened to be quick; he was methodical, and the long rebounds were where he really excelled.

So... with more possessions, AND more long-ange jumpers, and more missed shots (even though a .400 the 3pt is more efficient than a .500 post player, they still miss more shots), Rodman's rebounding numbers would likely exceed 20 a game in today's NBA, or even 22.

It would be insane.

Post up game and mid range jumpers are valuable today and always will be. We are in a weak era for centers and traditional PF, nothing more. Shots close to the rim are high percentage shots and will always have their place. Outside of the Warriors and Rockets no team is good enough to just kill you from 3. Mid range jumpers aren't going anywhere, and unless your 3 pt shot is truly better, you should be shooting mid range jumpers if you can't get to the rim and it's an open look.



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Chronz
01-20-2018, 04:55 PM
No, he would get fewer rebounds per game.
But more impressive rebounding tallies per possession?

dyst
01-20-2018, 08:33 PM
You know about all those accolades but you're not aware he's already in the hall? That's gotta be accolade #1 on his list of accomplishments.Holy smokes, good catch.

dyst
01-20-2018, 08:42 PM
Highlights from his days. He not only knew the angle to rebound but several times, he would be half a second quicker to the jump then other dudes. His reaction to rebound was insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J26u-cPiGAc

dyst
01-20-2018, 08:45 PM
Also, great job he did against Shaq, giving up maybe 100 lbs difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdZn8epqnKo

Scoots
01-20-2018, 09:03 PM
But more impressive rebounding tallies per possession?

Certainly more than most if not all current players yes.

JasonJohnHorn
01-20-2018, 10:35 PM
Post up game and mid range jumpers are valuable today and always will be. We are in a weak era for centers and traditional PF, nothing more. Shots close to the rim are high percentage shots and will always have their place. Outside of the Warriors and Rockets no team is good enough to just kill you from 3. Mid range jumpers aren't going anywhere, and unless your 3 pt shot is truly better, you should be shooting mid range jumpers if you can't get to the rim and it's an open look.



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Teams take more 3's. Period. It's not even close. There are guys with solid post-up games. Lots of them. Jonas Val shoots over 55%. He gets less than ten shots a game. Gortat shoots 55%: he only gets 7 shots a game. Horford shoot 56% inside the arc, gets less than ten shots a game.

Even guys with solid post games are taking more 3's, including Horford. Vucevic has been shooting over .500 inside the paint for most of his career, but saw the number of shots he got drop until he added a 3pt shot this year. AD and DMC? Those two are posting percentages inside the arc akin to what McHale and Parish posted, but BOTH have added 3pt shots.

The Pels are a great example. They have likely the two best post players in the league. AD is shooting 58% inside the paint; Cousins is shooting around 53%. And what is theri record? They are struggling to stay at .500


I'm with you dude... I love the post play. I miss watching it. But at the end of the day, a guy who shoots 35% from the arc gets you more points over a 100 shots than a guy who shoots .500 in the paint. That's just math. And 35% isn't even that good. There are any number of players who shoot .400 (in which case you need to shoot .600 in the paint to keep up).

Every shot is valuable, because bb is like a chess game. You move the defenses around and take the highest percentage shot.

But we dont have a shortage of good C and PF and post players in this league: we just have coaches who understand that a guy who shoots .400 from the arc is going to get you 12 points for every 10 shots and a guy who shoot .500 in the paint will only get you 10.

And doesn't change my point that there are more long-range jumpers today, more misses, and more possession, which would all make an idea setting for Rodman to break rebounding records if he were in his prime today.

JasonJohnHorn
01-20-2018, 10:37 PM
Rodman could possibly go into the HoF one day lol.
Dude... he's already in the HOF.

JasonJohnHorn
01-20-2018, 10:44 PM
I was a fan of Rodman and the Pistons and Bulls when he was a playing. He was a great defensive player and he played the scheme. Look at the rebounding percentages now vs then. Coaches have decided to spread rebounds around and deprioritized offensive rebounds. Are you saying Rodman, who is generally regarded as a team first guy and a great scheme player would ignore the scheme just to stat pad? Add to that that in his best years in total rebounds he was playing 40 or near 40 minutes a game, he would be playing fewer minutes because everybody does now, let alone that he'd be playing fewer minutes because of his offensive issues. He will always be a great rebounder, I just don't think he would get as many.

I don't agree the conclusion, but I get what you are saying and it is quite reasonable. I think some other guys aren't getting what you are saying though. They might just be getting the 'per game' averages stuck in their head, and not looking at the skill level. You aren't suggesting the skill wouldn't transfer, just that it would be applied differently. I'm not sure some of the guys are following that. They are seeing it as 'Rodman wouldn't be as good in this era', where I believe you are saying 'Rodman would be as good but utlilized differently.'

Scoots
01-21-2018, 11:06 AM
I don't agree the conclusion, but I get what you are saying and it is quite reasonable. I think some other guys aren't getting what you are saying though. They might just be getting the 'per game' averages stuck in their head, and not looking at the skill level. You aren't suggesting the skill wouldn't transfer, just that it would be applied differently. I'm not sure some of the guys are following that. They are seeing it as 'Rodman wouldn't be as good in this era', where I believe you are saying 'Rodman would be as good but utlilized differently.'

Pretty much. He'd be great at rebounding and defense, but he'd get less PT and his game total numbers would be lower.

ewing
01-21-2018, 11:10 AM
The game is different, and rebounding was sacrificed for transition offense and defense.

defense? what defense?

ewing
01-21-2018, 11:33 AM
Pretty much. He'd be great at rebounding and defense, but he'd get less PT and his game total numbers would be lower.

why? smaller super versatile bigs that can run, play perimiter D, and protect the rim are valued today. he'd be Clint Cappella on roids.

GREATNESS ONE
01-21-2018, 12:06 PM
defense? what defense?

Lolz this!!!! What defense!?

Bausman
01-21-2018, 12:38 PM
yeah but if you dropped Grant into 1991 he'd be Dennis Rodman. And if you dropped him into 1965 he'd be Bill Russell. And if you dropped him into 0 he'd be Jesus. That's how this works.

Are you ********? Maybe you have never seen him play.

Jerian grant ? Remember Horace Grant? Jerians uncle, who was better than Jerian. Played in the same era as rodman.

Bausman
01-21-2018, 12:43 PM
Are you ********? Maybe you have never seen him play.

Jerian grant ? Remember Horace Grant? Jerians uncle, who was better than Jerian. Played in the same era as rodman.
Put jerian grant on karl malone in back to back finals and the jazz have 2 rings.

Scoots
01-21-2018, 01:23 PM
why? smaller super versatile bigs that can run, play perimiter D, and protect the rim are valued today. he'd be Clint Cappella on roids.

He doesn't score like Capella, and nobody plays 40 minutes a game anymore like he did in his biggest rebounding number years.

ewing
01-21-2018, 01:28 PM
He doesn't score like Capella, and nobody plays 40 minutes a game anymore like he did in his biggest rebounding number years.

He had amazing hands and hops. He certainly could catch and dunk in screen role and off penitration just like Capella


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Scoots
01-21-2018, 03:03 PM
He had amazing hands and hops. He certainly could catch and dunk in screen role and off penitration just like Capella

Maybe ... but for half his career he just refused to shoot a lot of the time.

ewing
01-21-2018, 03:05 PM
Maybe ... but for half his career he just refused to shoot a lot of the time.

if he played in a era where he could play center in a spread floor and just catch and dunk i'm sure he would have.

Chronz
01-21-2018, 05:26 PM
He doesn't score like Capella, and nobody plays 40 minutes a game anymore like he did in his biggest rebounding number years.

Lowering his minutes would only enhance his efficiency, on both ends

ewing
01-21-2018, 05:40 PM
Lowering his minutes would only enhance his efficiency, on both ends

Scoots pretends that guys couldn’t play at all before the Warriors reinvented the game


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Scoots
01-21-2018, 07:03 PM
if he played in a era where he could play center in a spread floor and just catch and dunk i'm sure he would have.

Rodman at center would be interesting ... but part of that would be getting him to sprint out as soon as the opponent shot went up to get the run out dunk because the other centers wouldn't be able to keep up. Of course if Rodman was running out he's not getting those boards :)

One thing that bugs me about modern NBA players is that so few block out on boards ... I'd LOVE to see Rodman doing that against these guys who try to run around other players rather than use sound technique.

Scoots
01-21-2018, 07:04 PM
Scoots pretends that guys couldn’t play at all before the Warriors reinvented the game

Haha ... no, never me. I LOVED the NBA in the 80s.

ewing
01-21-2018, 07:08 PM
Rodman at center would be interesting ... but part of that would be getting him to sprint out as soon as the opponent shot went up to get the run out dunk because the other centers wouldn't be able to keep up. Of course if Rodman was running out he's not getting those boards [emoji4]

One thing that bugs me about modern NBA players is that so few block out on boards ... I'd LOVE to see Rodman doing that against these guys who try to run around other players rather than use sound technique.

He doesn’t need to abandon the boards to get out on the break and his team doesn’t have to tell him not to hit the offensive glass just bc more teams today value getting back more and don’t hit the offensive glass as much. I don’t understand your arguments at all


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Scoots
01-21-2018, 08:08 PM
Lowering his minutes would only enhance his efficiency, on both ends

Maybe, but it would also lower his overall numbers, which is all I said at the start ... that Rodman would be great today but I felt his total numbers would be lower.

Scoots
01-21-2018, 08:14 PM
He doesn’t need to abandon the boards to get out on the break and his team doesn’t have to tell him not to hit the offensive glass just bc more teams today value getting back more and don’t hit the offensive glass as much. I don’t understand your arguments at all

I was saying that today's schemes have significantly de-prioritized rebounds (across the NBA, not just the Warriors). Offensive rebounds are down significantly because of scheme. My point isn't that Rodman CAN'T get rebounds, just that there are several factors about the NBA today that would each taken independently make it harder for him to get as many total rebounds per game.

ewing
01-21-2018, 08:55 PM
I was saying that today's schemes have significantly de-prioritized rebounds (across the NBA, not just the Warriors). Offensive rebounds are down significantly because of scheme. My point isn't that Rodman CAN'T get rebounds, just that there are several factors about the NBA today that would each taken independently make it harder for him to get as many total rebounds per game.

Teams play to the strengths of there players. Steven Adams and others still goes to the offensive glass and so would Dennis. Teams would not ask him to run out on the shot. I am sorry but your arguments lack sense


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Scoots
01-21-2018, 10:39 PM
Teams play to the strengths of there players. Steven Adams and others still goes to the offensive glass and so would Dennis. Teams would not ask him to run out on the shot. I am sorry but your arguments lack sense

That's fine. I don't have the numbers handy. It's just that defenses today are prioritizing getting back on defense for transition above an offensive rebound so that tendency would likely reduce his number of chances to get a rebound in those situations some amount.

All I'm saying is that I don't think Rodman averages 18.6 per game in today's NBA.

GREATNESS ONE
01-21-2018, 11:34 PM
lol he only did that what once? He definitely over 15rpg though, the thing with Rodman is that he was an iron man defensive minded player, he could play C in this Small Man NBA and Dominate.... Dennis would be awesome in this league now but hell, I'm a old school kinda guy. I know he was a once in a lifetime kinda player but wish Shaq was in the NBA draft again.. would love to see a dominant Bigman enter the league.

ewing
01-21-2018, 11:49 PM
That's fine. I don't have the numbers handy. It's just that defenses today are prioritizing getting back on defense for transition above an offensive rebound so that tendency would likely reduce his number of chances to get a rebound in those situations some amount.

All I'm saying is that I don't think Rodman averages 18.6 per game in today's NBA.

There are no numbers. Dennis Rodman never played an NBA game in 2018.


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GREATNESS ONE
01-22-2018, 12:07 AM
There are no numbers. Dennis Rodman never played an NBA game in 2018.


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Hawkeye15
01-22-2018, 10:23 AM
This, and Rodman would regularly not close out on his man in anticipation of the rebound (there could be merit that this is a good strategy, but there's no argument that it bolstered his rebounding numbers). He also was an INCREDIBLE athlete from a strength+stamina perspective, and was relentless on loose balls (think of the most relentless player in today's league in his most aggressive moment. That's Rodman on Tuesday night on the road against the Clippers). Dennis Rodman was one of a kind, to say the least.

Rodman's second jump was unmatchable. He would simply tip balls, knowing he would be the only one capable of getting to it.

JasonJohnHorn
01-22-2018, 09:40 PM
Maybe ... but for half his career he just refused to shoot a lot of the time.

There was something weird about his offensive game.

If you watch him early in his career, in Detroit, he moved well witout the ball, and he had a decent shot. He wasn't as inept as he seemed to almost make an effort to be in Chicago. It's important to note that he was really only playing basketball for a handful of years. He was a walk on in college and had only apparently started playing in college. He got cut from the high school team because he was too short, and it was after school, when he hit a growth spurt, that he tried basketball again and went to college. Imagine a guy with no organized bb experience starting to play at 18 or 19: how far behind would he be?

But he developed quikcly in college, and in Detroit, he was posting 15 and 16 points per36 his first couple of seasons, and averaged 11 a game in his second year. Through to his last season with the Spurs, his career average had been well over .500 from the field, and early on he was jsut taking open dunk but contest shot and contest baskets in the paint.

But he got the defensive awards, and then his rebounding exploded, and Daly had him focus on that while they were making room for other guys to score, like Thomas, Dumars, Aguirre, Vinnie Johnson, Laimbeer and John Sally. Then when his rebounding exploded, that became his niche. But I remember Daly saying in an interview one year that the Piston's best 3pt shooter was Rodman and that he hit them like crazy in practice, but he just wasn't a big part of the offense at the time, and the 3pt shot wasn't a big part of the game in the NBA in general. His percentages show no indication that he could shoot the 3-ball, but it is a cursious observation from Daly.

In Chicago, where most people remember watching him, he seemed to develop a disdain for offense. His percentages went down. He would give up easy layups to other players. It was weird.


I don't know what happened there, but he was a promising offensive player when he first came into the league.