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valade16
01-05-2018, 01:55 PM
So we do a "Top 25 greatest players of all-time list" routinely here on PSD, but I want to do an all-time list of best, not greatest.

What is the difference?

This is not a list that measures a players accolades or career, it is a list of simply, if all the players were at their peak/in their prime/at their best (however you describe it) and all in a draft, who would you take first to play against each other in a draft?

Who are the best players throughout NBA history. You can use stats or accolades to back up your opinion, but this is about who is best, not who made the most All-NBA teams, or who scored the most points, etc. If you think player A is better than player B despite them having a shorter career, vote for player A.

I have started the poll with 10 players. If you wish to vote for someone else, please vote for other and post who you voted for in the comments. If you wish to nominate someone (or multiple people) for the next poll, post in the comments and I will add them if there are at least 2 nominations for that player.

In the event of a tie vote, they will both be listed at that number and the next player will begin where that is left off (for instance, T-6th, T-6th, 8th)

mightybosstone
01-05-2018, 02:02 PM
It's still MJ. In fact, because we're taking longevity out of the equation, it makes the case for Jordan even easier. The only guy you might be able to make a case for (and I certainly wouldn't try) might be Wilt and the ridiculous production he put up for the Warriors in the early 60s.

Thanks for starting this, Valade! This should be fun!

WaDe03
01-05-2018, 02:04 PM
Going with Jordan here, then LeBron.

mrblisterdundee
01-05-2018, 02:14 PM
I went with LeBron because of his ability to be anything and everything to a team. Jordan had a lot of versatility, but LeBron is a decent option at every position.
It's difficult to tell who's the greatest, because everything is based on the contest of the era. Could Jordan shoot a large amount of threes at a high percentage? Would his defense translate to the current NBA's rules, where refs are more liberal with foul calls? I'm pretty sure LeBron would still be the best athlete in the league, regardless of whether it's the '80s, '90s, '00s or '10s.

valade16
01-05-2018, 02:23 PM
I went with LeBron because of his ability to be anything and everything to a team. Jordan had a lot of versatility, but nothing like LeBron's.
It's difficult to tell who's the greatest, because everything is based on the contest of the era. Could Jordan shoot a large amount of threes at a high percentage? Would his defense translate to the current NBA's rules, where refs are more liberal with foul calls? I'm pretty sure LeBron would still be the best athlete in the league, regardless of whether it's the '80s, '90s, '00s or '10s.

Do we have reason to believe he couldn't? Here are all the seasons MJ shot near or over 2 3's per game:

1995: 1.9 attempts, 50%
1993: 2.9 attempts, 35.2%
1990: 3.0 attempts, 37.6%
1996: 3.2 attempts, 42.7%
1997: 3.6 attempts, 37.4%

Granted 2 of those years were when the moved up the 3-point line, but the trend is pretty clear, anytime he started shooting a regular amount of 3's per game in a season, he started hitting them at a positive rate.

He also managed to shoot well from 3 in the playoffs during his peak too. I can't see a reason why Jordan wouldn't develop into a good enough 3 point shooter to still dominate the NBA, furthermore, given Wade's ability to dominate without a 3 point shot (and currently DeRozan's), I don't really foresee it impacting him much even if he couldn't shoot a 3.

europagnpilgrim
01-05-2018, 02:37 PM
Wilt as my big/1st overall pick

Oscar or Jordan or Iverson to form a dynamic inside out duo

lol, please
01-05-2018, 02:53 PM
MJ

#2 should be a war between Wilt, LeBron, and KAREEM. He better not slip. He dominated.Curry says hi

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KnicksorBust
01-05-2018, 02:54 PM
MJ

#2 should be a war between Wilt, LeBron, and KAREEM. He better not slip. He dominated.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-05-2018, 02:57 PM
Peak Wade was RIDICULOUS. I would consider him for top 10 depending on how this shapes up

HandsOnTheWheel
01-05-2018, 03:09 PM
Great thread OP! How much weight are we deeming team success here just out of curiosity

mngopher35
01-05-2018, 03:10 PM
MJ

#2 should be a war between Wilt, LeBron, and KAREEM. He better not slip. He dominated.

I was going to post my top tier and saw this. Add shaq IMO and that is it.

WaDe03
01-05-2018, 03:23 PM
Curry says hi

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No he doesn't!

archdevil84
01-05-2018, 03:39 PM
even tho ive never witnessed it myself peak Wade is beyond insane so im going with him closely followed by bron

Jamiecballer
01-05-2018, 03:40 PM
Curry says hi

Sent from my Note 8 using TapatalkLol why is curry saying hi, is that because no-one expects him to be in attendance?

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valade16
01-05-2018, 04:08 PM
Great thread OP! How much weight are we deeming team success here just out of curiosity

In terms of how much weight you have to give to team success, absolutely none.

In terms of how much you think a player's individual ability contributed to team success, it's up to you.

For example, if you think that T-Mac was a better player flat out than Kobe despite Kobe's 5 titles, vote T-Mac. If you think Kobe's team success is as a result of him being the superior player to T-Mac, vote Kobe.

NYY 26 to 7
01-05-2018, 04:27 PM
Lol why is curry saying hi, is that because no-one expects him to be in attendance?

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Lol yea he's just watching from the side saying hi apparently. For real Curry isn't close. Best shooter of all-time yea he's in there for top in the conversation.

Except Jordan at 1 you could prob sell me any order of these guys and it would be tough to say anyone is wrong but for me its:

Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Larry
Shaq
LeBron
Kobe

Never saw Wilt but if we are talking about stats then yea he's #1 or #2. If the logo had 3's he might've had a career 40 point average too. And I personally wouldn't have Hakeem on the list especially if we are excluding team achievement and career longevity.

NYY 26 to 7
01-05-2018, 04:34 PM
I went with LeBron because of his ability to be anything and everything to a team. Jordan had a lot of versatility, but LeBron is a decent option at every position.
It's difficult to tell who's the greatest, because everything is based on the contest of the era. Could Jordan shoot a large amount of threes at a high percentage? Would his defense translate to the current NBA's rules, where refs are more liberal with foul calls? I'm pretty sure LeBron would still be the best athlete in the league, regardless of whether it's the '80s, '90s, '00s or '10s.

I agree with you that LeBron is prob the greatest athlete I've ever seen in the NBA with his combo of size, speed, quickness, strength, agility, and vertical.

Shammyguy3
01-05-2018, 05:15 PM
Jesus, a 5 day poll val? :laugh2:

Jordan without debate. I see #2 being where it gets crazy.

WaDe03
01-05-2018, 05:21 PM
even tho ive never witnessed it myself peak Wade is beyond insane so im going with him closely followed by bron

How old are you lol?

valade16
01-05-2018, 05:22 PM
Jesus, a 5 day poll val? :laugh2:

Jordan without debate. I see #2 being where it gets crazy.

LOL, I know, I plan to stop this poll if MJ gets up by like 15 votes or some obviously not going to be caught number. I don't know how long each one should be though. 3 days?

WaDe03
01-05-2018, 05:23 PM
Yea 5 days lol?! Let's do 2 or something, maybe 3 if you're worried about discussion not being over in time. Or just tell me to shut the **** up!

valade16
01-05-2018, 05:26 PM
Yea 5 days lol?! Let's do 2 or something, maybe 3 if you're worried about discussion not being over in time. Or just tell me to shut the **** up!

I think I'll do 3 days for the Top 10 and see if there's still 3 days worth of debate and then I can lessen it to 2 from there.

lol, your guys' input is greatly appreciated. Honestly, I was worried if I made it 2 or 3 days people were going to complain about it being too short lol. Guess I was dead wrong about what people wanted lol

WaDe03
01-05-2018, 05:32 PM
I think I'll do 3 days for the Top 10 and see if there's still 3 days worth of debate and then I can lessen it to 2 from there.

lol, your guys' input is greatly appreciated. Honestly, I was worried if I made it 2 or 3 days people were going to complain about it being too short lol. Guess I was dead wrong about what people wanted lol

Haha if there was actually good debate going on I don't think anyone would've noticed. With this first 1 bring a no brainer I think it caught more people's attention!

lol, please
01-05-2018, 05:46 PM
How old are you lol?[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Seriously. Peak wade was what, 5-6 years ago? LMAO.

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ewing
01-05-2018, 05:58 PM
Curry says hi

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Thatís nice.


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Jeffy25
01-05-2018, 06:24 PM
If it's only about ability, then Bron is the most athletic basketball player ever.

But I'm not certain if that properly answers the question, so I am abstaining my vote.

WaDe03
01-05-2018, 06:36 PM
If it's only about ability, then Bron is the most athletic basketball player ever.

But I'm not certain if that properly answers the question, so I am abstaining my vote.

He's the most athletic but is he the most skilled? I've seen some athletic freaks that are garbage basketball players because they lack the skills. I think you just take the full package in to account here. Skill and athleticism.

valade16
01-05-2018, 06:42 PM
He's the most athletic but is he the most skilled? I've seen some athletic freaks that are garbage basketball players because they lack the skills. I think you just take the full package in to account here. Skill and athleticism.

That is my intent. Do their skills + athleticism = the better basketball player.

JAZZNC
01-05-2018, 06:48 PM
Jordan easily. His skill, drive, killer instinct....he just has the total package. No question who I'd take with the #1 pick.

Bostonjorge
01-05-2018, 07:14 PM
Kobe 1st overall. He can explode for 63 in 3 quarters or end up with 81 overall in a single game. He can get you 12 three pointers in a single game or dunk on a 7í6 all time great big man. Heís the most gifted offensive player ever. Also a elite defender.

After that

Jordan or Shaq.

valade16
01-05-2018, 08:12 PM
I'm close to calling it for MJ. Doesn't seem like there's much debate against him as the best player. He's up by 11 votes less than a day into the poll.

May post the 2nd poll later tonight.

Vee-Rex
01-05-2018, 08:19 PM
I went with Bron, even though I'm a bigger fan of MJ

More-Than-Most
01-05-2018, 08:41 PM
Most accomplished is Jordan... Best Is James.

WaDe03
01-05-2018, 08:47 PM
I won't argue with anyone who says LeBron or Wade.

More-Than-Most
01-05-2018, 10:27 PM
I won't argue with anyone who says LeBron or Wade.

this is the top player... not top 100

tredigs
01-05-2018, 10:43 PM
Jordan, next thread.

dikimbemutumbo
01-05-2018, 10:45 PM
Where is scalabrine?

JordansBulls
01-13-2018, 10:06 PM
MJ for sure.