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mrblisterdundee
11-11-2017, 01:39 PM
Kevin Garnett took the 16th spot last round. This round, I added Clyde Drexler, ranked 36th by ESPN's #NBArank (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160129/all-nbarank-36-40). Voting lasts two days.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Lebron James
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Magic Johnson
8. Larry Bird
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Bill Russell
11. Kobe Bryant
12. Moses Malone
13. Jerry West
14. Oscar Robertson
15. David Robinson
16. Kevin Garnett

leprechaun5
11-11-2017, 02:04 PM
I went with Nowitzki here. His championship run gives him a slight edge ahead of Barkley IMO. Barkley after him.

GREATNESS ONE
11-11-2017, 02:10 PM
I’m voting for Karl Malone or Charles Barkley here, with Dirk, Wade, Clyde, group coming next.

AntiG
11-12-2017, 12:04 AM
Charles/Karl/Clyde all should have gone earlier.

ewing
11-12-2017, 03:24 PM
This List is a joke


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GREATNESS ONE
11-12-2017, 03:33 PM
this list is a joke


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lol

YAALREADYKNO
11-13-2017, 07:46 AM
This List is a joke


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Lmao you ain't lying

KnicksorBust
11-13-2017, 12:38 PM
At what point do we start considering Curry?

Great call. If Jason Kidd is a possible vote then Curry should be up there for sure.

KnicksorBust
11-13-2017, 12:40 PM
I'm going Wade. Barkley had his chance to be immortalized and never got the job done.

valade16
11-13-2017, 12:41 PM
At what point do we start considering Curry?

dhopisthename
11-13-2017, 01:06 PM
I really don't get why wade would go this high. we are talking about someone who has 60 less win shares then Barkley, Never won MVP, and was constantly injured. I would take easily a dozen other people over wade and espn agrees with me http://www.interbasket.net/news/19115/2016/02/the-full-list-of-espns-100-nbas-greatest-players-of-all-time-nbarank/ .

Comparision of Wade vs Durant vs Malone(I jut picked Malone over the other pfs because he played longer)

Wade 0 MVPS, 8 ALL NBA, 12 all stars, 3 all defense, 117 win shares, 57.6 VORP, .172 Career WS/48
Durant 1 MVPs, 7 ALL NBA, 8 All stars, 0 all defense, 121 win shares, 47.8 VORP .219 WS/48
Malone 2 MVPs 14 ALL NBA, 14 All stars, 4 all defense, 234 win shares, 102 VORP .205 WS/48

so if you want to argue longevity Malone is so far superior its not close and if you want to argue peak then its Durant. If wade wins its basically only because people have a massive recency bias.

Giannis94
11-13-2017, 01:13 PM
Lmao you ain't lying

because giannis isn't on there!

dhopisthename
11-13-2017, 01:16 PM
I don't really know which of three pf's between dirk, Barkley, and Malone I like the best so I am fine going with barkley just so wade doesn't win.

KnicksorBust
11-13-2017, 03:09 PM
I really don't get why wade would go this high. we are talking about someone who has 60 less win shares then Barkley, Never won MVP, and was constantly injured. I would take easily a dozen other people over wade and espn agrees with me http://www.interbasket.net/news/19115/2016/02/the-full-list-of-espns-100-nbas-greatest-players-of-all-time-nbarank/ .

Comparision of Wade vs Durant vs Malone(I jut picked Malone over the other pfs because he played longer)

Wade 0 MVPS, 8 ALL NBA, 12 all stars, 3 all defense, 117 win shares, 57.6 VORP, .172 Career WS/48
Durant 1 MVPs, 7 ALL NBA, 8 All stars, 0 all defense, 121 win shares, 47.8 VORP .219 WS/48
Malone 2 MVPs 14 ALL NBA, 14 All stars, 4 all defense, 234 win shares, 102 VORP .205 WS/48

so if you want to argue longevity Malone is so far superior its not close and if you want to argue peak then its Durant. If wade wins its basically only because people have a massive recency bias.

Says the guy who votes Barkley. lmao :laugh:

HandsOnTheWheel
11-13-2017, 03:49 PM
Says the guy who votes Barkley. lmao :laugh:

ESPN agrees with him though!

GREATNESS ONE
11-13-2017, 04:35 PM
Ya’ll get my vote for Barkley or Malone?

dhopisthename
11-13-2017, 04:37 PM
Says the guy who votes Barkley. lmao :laugh:

whats wrong with barkley? his prime is significantly longer then wades and while not as long or as good as malones he played much better in the playoffs. you could even argue that Barkleys peak matches wades.

Edit: also at least I gave reason why I didn't or did vote for someone not this entire thread of people who act like this is twitter and can only give 1 sentence responses mocking others because they think their opinion is vastly superior to everyone elses.

mightybosstone
11-13-2017, 05:11 PM
I really don't get why wade would go this high. we are talking about someone who has 60 less win shares then Barkley, Never won MVP, and was constantly injured. I would take easily a dozen other people over wade and espn agrees with me http://www.interbasket.net/news/19115/2016/02/the-full-list-of-espns-100-nbas-greatest-players-of-all-time-nbarank/ .

Comparision of Wade vs Durant vs Malone(I jut picked Malone over the other pfs because he played longer)

Wade 0 MVPS, 8 ALL NBA, 12 all stars, 3 all defense, 117 win shares, 57.6 VORP, .172 Career WS/48
Durant 1 MVPs, 7 ALL NBA, 8 All stars, 0 all defense, 121 win shares, 47.8 VORP .219 WS/48
Malone 2 MVPs 14 ALL NBA, 14 All stars, 4 all defense, 234 win shares, 102 VORP .205 WS/48

so if you want to argue longevity Malone is so far superior its not close and if you want to argue peak then its Durant. If wade wins its basically only because people have a massive recency bias.

A vote for Wade is a vote for the guy with the strongest postseason resume. You're looking solely are regular season numbers here, but both Malone and Durant aren't exactly known for their playoff prowess. Meanwhile, Wade's championship in 2006 is easily one of the 5-10 greatest postseason performances of all-time. Couple that with four other Finals appear and two rings as a No. 2 (albeit the last two he was on the decline), and there's a damn fine argument to be made for Wade over those two.

That being said, I voted for Barkley. I just think he was the single most dominant player left on the board at his peak.

mightybosstone
11-13-2017, 05:13 PM
This List is a joke


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Why? Just because you don't agree with it?

Personally, my top 15 would look a little different in terms of order, but I think my top 15 would probably be the same 15 guys. I might have swapped out Robinson for someone else, but 15th is a pretty fair selection. Seriously, though, don't just say "this list is a joke" and not provide some context for your argument. What's so bad about it, genius?

hugepatsfan
11-13-2017, 06:36 PM
It's pretty silly to pretend this is an exact science with right or wrong answers, TBH.

YAALREADYKNO
11-13-2017, 07:31 PM
Going with Dirk

Chronz
11-13-2017, 08:07 PM
It's pretty silly to pretend this is an exact science with right or wrong answers, TBH.

Wade behind these guys is wrong on every level. Inconsistent af list

valade16
11-13-2017, 08:38 PM
Wade behind these guys is wrong on every level. Inconsistent af list

Based on what?

Chronz
11-13-2017, 10:47 PM
Awful, just awful

Chronz
11-14-2017, 12:05 AM
I disagree this Wade Love on PSD far exceeds where most everyone else has him. There is an argument to be made for him, but no one can say KG, D-Rob, Barkley or Dirk over him is some travesty. Wade has won 3 rings with Shaq and LeBron, safe to say if any of those others had either of them on their team, they’d have as many titles (if not more).

Safe to say they wouldn't, Shaq was decent. Those guys had comparable help, they just weren't as productive as wade

ewing
11-14-2017, 12:07 AM
Why? Just because you don't agree with it?

Personally, my top 15 would look a little different in terms of order, but I think my top 15 would probably be the same 15 guys. I might have swapped out Robinson for someone else, but 15th is a pretty fair selection. Seriously, though, don't just say "this list is a joke" and not provide some context for your argument. What's so bad about it, genius?

the 15th and 16th best player ever cant be asked to go get us a good possession.

valade16
11-14-2017, 12:08 AM
I disagree this Wade Love on PSD far exceeds where most everyone else has him. There is an argument to be made for him, but no one can say KG, D-Rob, Barkley or Dirk over him is some travesty. Wade has won 3 rings with Shaq and LeBron, safe to say if any of those others had either of them on their team, they’d have as many titles (if not more).

smith&wesson
11-14-2017, 01:29 AM
I always thought this was stupid. Most of us weren't alive to see half these players play.

mightybosstone
11-14-2017, 11:18 AM
the 15th and 16th best player ever cant be asked to go get us a good possession.

What the hell are you talking about? Robinson and Garnett were excellent offensive players. They may not be as strong as some other guys left on the list, but they more than make up for it on the defensive end. Personally, I would have gone with Barkley over KG, but I understand the justification for why someone would rank him higher.

Hawkeye15
11-14-2017, 02:46 PM
I disagree this Wade Love on PSD far exceeds where most everyone else has him. There is an argument to be made for him, but no one can say KG, D-Rob, Barkley or Dirk over him is some travesty. Wade has won 3 rings with Shaq and LeBron, safe to say if any of those others had either of them on their team, they’d have as many titles (if not more).

I have Wade around 20-25.

ewing
11-14-2017, 03:17 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Robinson and Garnett were excellent offensive players. They may not be as strong as some other guys left on the list, but they more than make up for it on the defensive end. Personally, I would have gone with Barkley over KG, but I understand the justification for why someone would rank him higher.

neither guy was good enough to play through when it mattered. you can't make up for that at 16 all time

mightybosstone
11-14-2017, 06:32 PM
neither guy was good enough to play through when it mattered. you can't make up for that at 16 all time

Neither was Ewing, but I saw you conveniently voted for him in the most recent poll. :shrug:

KnicksorBust
11-14-2017, 07:47 PM
Says the guy who votes Barkley. lmao :laugh:

whats wrong with barkley? his prime is significantly longer then wades and while not as long or as good as malones he played much better in the playoffs. you could even argue that Barkleys peak matches wades.

Edit: also at least I gave reason why I didn't or did vote for someone not this entire thread of people who act like this is twitter and can only give 1 sentence responses mocking others because they think their opinion is vastly superior to everyone elses.

Nothing wrong with Barkley. Just thought it waa funny you made an argument for two guys and then didn't even vote for them. And I hope you aren't describing me. I am happy to get into an obnoxiously long debate over Wade vs Barkley debate.

ewing
11-14-2017, 08:05 PM
Neither was Ewing, but I saw you conveniently voted for him in the most recent poll. :shrug:

one of those guys was good enough to make it to game 7 of the NBA finals with everything running through him and John Starks as a #2