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kdspurman
10-18-2017, 01:32 PM
Wednesday October 18th, 2017



76ers @ Wizards
7:00PM
ESPN


Hornets @ Pistons
7:00PM


Nets @ Pacers
7:00PM


Heat @ Magic
7:00PM


Bucks @ Celtics
7:30PM


Pelicans @ Grizzlies
8:00PM


Hawks @ Mavs
8:30PM


Nuggets @ Jazz
9:00PM


Timberwolves @ Spurs
9:30PM
ESPN


Trailblazers @ Suns
10:00PM


Rockets @ Kings
10:00PM

FlashBolt
10-18-2017, 01:59 PM
Can't wait for Embiid's debut. Spurs vs Wolves will be interesting. LMA has another chance to show he can still be useful without Kawhi.. and KAT to me should sign with the Spurs after his contract is up.

Scoots
10-18-2017, 04:23 PM
Celtics get a chance to play again quick and try to move on.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 04:42 PM
Can't wait for Embiid's debut. Spurs vs Wolves will be interesting. LMA has another chance to show he can still be useful without Kawhi.. and KAT to me should sign with the Spurs after his contract is up.

**** that and **** the sixers front office... : (

tredigs
10-18-2017, 05:48 PM
Clips, Lakers and OKC are a few teams I was looking forward to seeing, so I guess that will have to wait until tomorrow. Both ESPN games and the Nuggets with Millsap against Gobert and the Jazz should be fun tonight.

kdspurman
10-18-2017, 05:52 PM
Can't wait for Embiid's debut. Spurs vs Wolves will be interesting. LMA has another chance to show he can still be useful without Kawhi.. and KAT to me should sign with the Spurs after his contract is up.

I think LMA will show up tonight. He's had success vs KAT but I just have a feeling he's going to be a lot more aggressive this season overall

tredigs
10-18-2017, 07:04 PM
Lol the Sixers are trotting out the premier of two #1 picks and Embiid. This is just awesome.

tredigs
10-18-2017, 07:06 PM
NBA G1's, ALCS (looking to be an epic Yanks/Dodgers World Series) and maybe the most insane poker game I have ever seen in my life all going on live at once (scratch that - without question). NEED MOAR TV'S!

FlashBolt
10-18-2017, 07:23 PM
Why is Embiid on a minutes restriction? Wasn't he healthy?

warfelg
10-18-2017, 07:31 PM
Why is Embiid on a minutes restriction? Wasn't he healthy?

Only played 14 minutes in 2 preseason games. I think this is more about getting back into basketball conditioning than any issue.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 07:32 PM
clear charge there... ok refs.

j-bay
10-18-2017, 07:54 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/920797177613402114

Watch the way Wall steps away from the flop. What a bad ***.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 08:04 PM
I dunno who this woman is commentating for ESPN, but she just said Wall and LeBron are the same player? Really?

EAGLES3658
10-18-2017, 08:05 PM
I dunno who this woman is commentating for ESPN, but she just said Wall and LeBron are the same player? Really?

What an insult to Wall.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 08:09 PM
This Sixers teams is going to be so amazingly fun to watch.

tredigs
10-18-2017, 08:10 PM
So 3-6 minutes from Embiid in the 2nd half unless they drop the minutes restriction in game 1 haha (he's going over).

Fun half. Simmons was actually a lot more active in the real game then he was in preseason, so that was nice to see. Glad to finally see this team all out there.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 08:13 PM
Someone needs to take the clippers to Enfrid Peyton's head. That haircut is ***. (to quote Embiid)

EAGLES3658
10-18-2017, 08:16 PM
Wizards could be really good with Wall and Beal leading the way but they have an absolute moron for a GM who has not put **** around them.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 08:16 PM
Why is Paul Pierce a wet towel?

j-bay
10-18-2017, 08:18 PM
clear charge there... ok refs.

No Charge. McConnell flopped and Wall stepped away.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 08:24 PM
No Charge. McConnell flopped and Wall stepped away.

except all the espn announcers basically said wall got that because of his name.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 08:30 PM
It wasn't a flop, but it wasn't enough contact to be a foul. Good no call both ways.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 08:36 PM
I noticed this last night too:
The whistles seem a little late this year like they are waiting to see the result of the shot before knowing what to call.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 08:38 PM
Gortat gets away with so many illegal screens.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 08:40 PM
DLO looking amazing man holy ****.

tredigs
10-18-2017, 08:44 PM
13 and 7 + 5 blocks for Boogie in the 1st quarter against Marc Gasol.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 08:46 PM
yea the officiating is ******** lol.. love me the NBA refs man.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 08:48 PM
13 and 7 + 5 blocks for Boogie in the 1st quarter against Marc Gasol.

monster lol... damn.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 08:51 PM
lol yea this is fair lmfao.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 08:53 PM
:laugh:

warfelg
10-18-2017, 08:54 PM
this is not a drill. The feds are on the court together!!!

warfelg
10-18-2017, 08:55 PM
Deal Lord the Wiz are getting every little call right now. This is absurd.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 09:05 PM
Deal Lord the Wiz are getting every little call right now. This is absurd.

on top of it we are getting called for everything and its disgusting.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 09:13 PM
on top of it we are getting called for everything and its disgusting.

Well that's usually the case when one team is getting every little call.

Chronz
10-18-2017, 09:15 PM
on top of it we are getting called for everything and its disgusting.

Mid season form already

warfelg
10-18-2017, 09:16 PM
Gortat bear hugs a defender...nothing.
Johnson sets a good hard screen...fouls out.

Seems about right.

Chronz
10-18-2017, 09:19 PM
Gortat's throwing down the hammer taunt is great. Almost as good as walls pass

tredigs
10-18-2017, 09:27 PM
Simmons is such a tough cover for anyone.
I don't know about that. A guy who you know can't shoot, is not good at finishing around the rim, and you aren't scared to foul. It's not a very elite combo. He IS impressive in that you know exactly what he's going to do (drive to the rim) and he is getting there at a high rate right now. I have a feeling that as the season progresses teams will adjust accordingly though.

Still, nice to see him being aggressive.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 09:28 PM
Simmons is such a tough cover for anyone.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 09:32 PM
Robert ****ing Covington is that man!

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 09:33 PM
simmons and embiid are god like honestly... No way this should be this close with the ******** refs.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 09:34 PM
cant even be mad... we got it to the right guy and he just missed an open look... sucks to lose that but YO... Embiid and ****ing simmons man.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 09:35 PM
Double Double Debut for Simmons.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 09:35 PM
simmons 18/10/5/2/1 with only 1 turnover... MAN.

tredigs
10-18-2017, 09:36 PM
Glad to see Brown throw Embiid's minute restriction out the window in week 1. Wonder if he hears **** for that from the FO.

PickleRick
10-18-2017, 09:36 PM
Go wolves!

ewing
10-18-2017, 09:37 PM
simmons 18/10/5/2/1 with only 1 turnover... MAN.

that will probably be his best game of the year

archdevil84
10-18-2017, 09:37 PM
holy ****, 131-140 first game between pacers and nets. Thats one way to start your season lal

warfelg
10-18-2017, 09:41 PM
Not often you say this...this is a good loss for us. Last 4 years, we would have packed it in being down 10+ late in the game. We pushed it and got this a lot closer than this 5 point spread suggests. I love it. The team fights.

Got to clean up some wing defense, get a bit more from the bench unit in the future. But to take one of the best teams in the east to the brink feels really good.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 09:42 PM
Glad to see Brown throw Embiid's minute restriction out the window in week 1. Wonder if he hears **** for that from the FO.

Nah. As I wrote earlier I think it was Brown devised for conditioning as opposed to FO devised for health.

PickleRick
10-18-2017, 09:47 PM
I see Wiggins still canít hit ftís.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 10:02 PM
that will probably be his best game of the year

probably be his worst game bruh... he looks insane... He just needs to actually find a 3 peat shot.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 10:04 PM
cant wait to hear lakers fans this year complain about how great DLO is.

PickleRick
10-18-2017, 10:07 PM
Man, Spurs canít miss, lol.

zn23
10-18-2017, 10:07 PM
Giannis is going to be a serious MVP candidate this year.

Also, Jokic on triple double watch at the half 7 points, 6 assists, 8 rebounds. The Nuggets have too much firepower for the Jazz.

EAGLES3658
10-18-2017, 10:08 PM
Did anyone besides the sixers fans in here see something special in Simmons tonight? Not trying to slight him as I think he will be very good and looked good but my god...you all are acting like he just put up 35/15/10 and looks like Lebron or something.

flea
10-18-2017, 10:09 PM
Did anyone besides the sixers fans in here see something special in Simmons tonight? Not trying to slight him as I think he will be very good and looked good but my god...you all are acting like he just put up 35/15/10 and looks like Lebron or something.

He's what everyone knew he was. Great in transition, spotty in the half-court but a decent passer and ballhandler for his size, and a terrible shooter. He'll probably put up 18 points and 6 or 7 assists per game, but whether he contributes to winning only time will tell. He's lucky in that it's very hard for a guy as big and coordinated as he is to be bad at basketball.

warfelg
10-18-2017, 10:12 PM
Did anyone besides the sixers fans in here see something special in Simmons tonight? Not trying to slight him as I think he will be very good and looked good but my god...you all are acting like he just put up 35/15/10 and looks like Lebron or something.

I mean first game ever in the NBA and you have 18-10-4 with 1 TO.

Very very few players do that as the primary ball handler.

AllBall
10-18-2017, 10:13 PM
Minny looking beast on this comeback run.

tp13baby
10-18-2017, 10:13 PM
Did anyone besides the sixers fans in here see something special in Simmons tonight? Not trying to slight him as I think he will be very good and looked good but my god...you all are acting like he just put up 35/15/10 and looks like Lebron or something.

More than most will talk up the water boy, war is pretty moderate. That being said I thought he looked good in his first game in a tough matchup.

tredigs
10-18-2017, 10:15 PM
Did anyone besides the sixers fans in here see something special in Simmons tonight? Not trying to slight him as I think he will be very good and looked good but my god...you all are acting like he just put up 35/15/10 and looks like Lebron or something.

Special in the sense of generational/superstar no, but he's a jumper away from having a very special game, and a strong finisher away from having a potentially very good game. Has the potential to be a Giannis-lite type player offensively (but has a long ways to go on the other end). Problem is that yes this is game 1, but he's already 21 years old. Obviously not old, but you definitely expect a semblance of polish from a pseudo-rookie at 21. I think he showed up tonight as best as could be expected. He'll be a fun player to watch, I definitely like his game more than Wiggins.

AllBall
10-18-2017, 10:20 PM
Special in the sense of generational/superstar no, but he's a jumper away from having a very special game, and a strong finisher away from having a potentially very good game. Has the potential to be a Giannis-lite type player offensively (but has a long ways to go on the other end). Problem is that yes this is game 1, but he's already 21 years old. Obviously not old, but you definitely expect a semblance of polish from a pseudo-rookie at 21. I think he showed up tonight as best as could be expected. He'll be a fun player to watch, I definitely like his game more than Wiggins.

Not in the 1-and-done era I don't.

tredigs
10-18-2017, 10:28 PM
Not in the 1-and-done era I don't.

If he was an American college kid and a true 1 and done I'd agree. He's a 21 year old international who has been playing in pro tournaments since the age of 15 and spent the last year in the NBA. He's a guy you expect to be more ready out of the gate than your average 19 year old 1 and done rookie.

tredigs
10-18-2017, 10:33 PM
Jrue Holiday pulled in about 40K for each point and each assist tonight on the new contract. Not a bad gig being a slightly above average NBA player.

tredigs
10-18-2017, 10:35 PM
Dennis Smith JR is already the best player on the Mavs.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 10:37 PM
More than most will talk up the water boy, war is pretty moderate. That being said I thought he looked good in his first game in a tough matchup.

I am not a simmons guy lol.

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 10:41 PM
https://streamable.com/dll9h


and people think i want the embiid dick lol

More-Than-Most
10-18-2017, 10:42 PM
also man that dude covington on both ends... can we just lock him up before he demands 25 mill a year.

j-bay
10-18-2017, 10:44 PM
Not often you say this...this is a good loss for us. Last 4 years, we would have packed it in being down 10+ late in the game. We pushed it and got this a lot closer than this 5 point spread suggests. I love it. The team fights.

Got to clean up some wing defense, get a bit more from the bench unit in the future. But to take one of the best teams in the east to the brink feels really good.

You took on 4/5 of our lineup. Now lets see them do it with our enforcer Markieff Morris in the lineup.

aman_13
10-18-2017, 10:46 PM
also man that dude covington on both ends... can we just lock him up before he demands 25 mill a year.

Will you guys be able to? I really like his game.

PickleRick
10-18-2017, 11:18 PM
God Dieng is terrible......

kdspurman
10-18-2017, 11:29 PM
Wiggins has to be thrilled Kawhi is out. He usually puts the clamps on him

JAZZNC
10-18-2017, 11:31 PM
Giannis is going to be a serious MVP candidate this year.

Also, Jokic on triple double watch at the half 7 points, 6 assists, 8 rebounds. The Nuggets have too much firepower for the Jazz.

And all that firepower got the clamps put on em in the fourth and the greatest offensive player since Jordan ended up with under 10pts and 30% from the floor. I don't expect that to be the case every night for Jokic but let's pump the brakes a little on claiming he's a top 15 player in the league.

Good to see the Jazz close that game out with an incredible 4th quarter. Burks was impressive off the bench. Hopefully Mitchell can find his shot and we will be alright. We ain't the cream of the NBA crop but gonna be a tough out for anybody.

tp13baby
10-18-2017, 11:46 PM
And all that firepower got the clamps put on em in the fourth and the greatest offensive player since Jordan ended up with under 10pts and 30% from the floor. I don't expect that to be the case every night for Jokic but let's pump the brakes a little on claiming he's a top 15 player in the league.

Good to see the Jazz close that game out with an incredible 4th quarter. Burks was impressive off the bench. Hopefully Mitchell can find his shot and we will be alright. We ain't the cream of the NBA crop but gonna be a tough out for anybody.

He was bad tonight but he has had great success all of last year even against Rudy. Denver played soft against a great defensive team but the Jazz didnít win that, Denver played so bad in that last quarter. **** they outplayed them for about 3 quarters and suddenly have 10 turnovers in the 4th and give up 31 points off turnovers. That was a joke of a performance by Denver to close the game.

Burks looked good.

PickleRick
10-18-2017, 11:57 PM
No idea why the Wolves go away from towns in the final 6 minutes. Just like last year.........

IKnowHoops
10-19-2017, 12:04 AM
Mid season form already

😂

mngopher35
10-19-2017, 12:08 AM
Weak

More-Than-Most
10-19-2017, 12:10 AM
Will you guys be able to? I really like his game.

Should... His is an amazing 3 and D guy that people on here think deserves 10-12 million... He is getting 16-18 in my opinion and thats about right for what he can do... his age and his ability... Defense/Defense/Defense and he plays some sick defense

More-Than-Most
10-19-2017, 12:11 AM
I guess the Suns are in full tank mode? They tanked harder than i have seen to end last year and man did they embarrass themselves tonight. I am not a booker fan

IKnowHoops
10-19-2017, 12:18 AM
OMGoodness Giannis is a freaking beast!!! Um, from what I'm seeing he could be the next #1. Wow, he is a young kid who just got better and has a lot more getting better to do. Dang man, won't be as long as we thought till someone comes along and is physically to Lebron, what Lebron is to Jordan.

IKnowHoops
10-19-2017, 12:18 AM
I'm lock-in Gianni's up with the 12 year and not thinking twice

valade16
10-19-2017, 12:26 AM
Blazers starting the season strong, 124-76 overrated Phoenix without McCollum.

Saddletramp
10-19-2017, 03:53 AM
Man, De'Aaron Fox looked great tonight. That kid's got game. Hield looked pretty good, too.

warfelg
10-19-2017, 07:58 AM
You took on 4/5 of our lineup. Now lets see them do it with our enforcer Markieff Morris in the lineup.

I'm going to be honest, Oubre in there is what gave us problems. Because Oubre and Porter both played out wide, pulling at least one of our decent rebounders in RoCo out from the rim (and Saric when he was in). Our piss poor guard defense also put Simmons on Wall, which required JJ to be on Ourbe which is a win for you guys.

ewing
10-19-2017, 08:31 AM
probably be his worst game bruh... he looks insane... He just needs to actually find a 3 peat shot.

3 pointers? He cant shoot outside the paint

YAALREADYKNO
10-19-2017, 08:31 AM
Mavs starting lineup should be
Smith JR
Matthews
Barnes
Dirk
Noel

Not

Smith JR
Ferrell/curry when he gets back
Matthews
Barnes
Dirk

Dirk at the 5 killed the mavs with rebounding and inside defense last night smh Noel came to play last night and for whatever reason idk why Carlisle didn't use him more in the 4th especially when ATL were getting whatever they wanted going to the rim smfh

warfelg
10-19-2017, 08:34 AM
Mavs starting lineup should be
Smith JR
Matthews
Barnes
Dirk
Noel

Not

Smith JR
Ferrell/curry when he gets back
Matthews
Barnes
Dirk

Dirk at the 5 killed the mavs with rebounding and inside defense last night smh

Agreed. Since Barnes most comfortable position is the 4, they should have:
Smith Jr
Curry
Matthews
Barnes
Noel

But they are too committed to Dirk's legacy to put the best lineup out there they could have.

ewing
10-19-2017, 08:34 AM
Special in the sense of generational/superstar no, but he's a jumper away from having a very special game, and a strong finisher away from having a potentially very good game. Has the potential to be a Giannis-lite type player offensively (but has a long ways to go on the other end). Problem is that yes this is game 1, but he's already 21 years old. Obviously not old, but you definitely expect a semblance of polish from a pseudo-rookie at 21. I think he showed up tonight as best as could be expected. He'll be a fun player to watch, I definitely like his game more than Wiggins.

He is 21 and he can't shoot a lick so I don't see that happening. He could become a good finisher and was one last night. If he can do that with his other skills he will be effective. he also hit 4 of 6 from the line so that wasn't bad.

warfelg
10-19-2017, 08:35 AM
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Seeing stuff like this is why I just ignore when people say "I just don't see it" with him.

warfelg
10-19-2017, 08:36 AM
He is 21 and he can't shoot a lick so I don't see that happening. He could become a good finisher and was one last night. If he can do that with his other skills he will be effective. he also hit 4 of 6 from the line so that wasn't bad.

He's 1 game into his career. Can we not write off his ability to hit a shot?

ewing
10-19-2017, 08:44 AM
He's 1 game into his career. Can we not write off his ability to hit a shot?

if you are brick layer at 21 most of the time that doesn't change. Guys come to the NBA and extend there range they rarely find touch. **** if you don't have a soft touch by 17 normally it doesn't change. he will get so many open 16 footers that I could see him improving but I find it doubtful that he find a jump shot at this point.

warfelg
10-19-2017, 08:49 AM
if you are brick layer at 21 most of the time that doesn't change. Guys come to the NBA and extend there range they rarely find touch. **** if you don't have a soft touch by 17 normally it doesn't change. he will get so many open 16 footers that I could see him improving but I find it doubtful that he find a jump shot at this point.

Vince Carter, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd. Heck even John Wall managed to improve his jumper.

There's been enough guys in the NBA that have managed to become a better shooter to say that it's possible for him to develop. The fact that he shot well form the line tells me it's more a confidence thing than anything else.

mrblisterdundee
10-19-2017, 08:50 AM
Anyone else notice Simmons' first box score almost mirrored his college averages in points, rebounds, steals, assists, free throw percentage? Like in college, he essentially shot no threes.

Lakers + Giants
10-19-2017, 09:01 AM
Anyone else notice Simmons' first box score almost mirrored his college averages in points, rebounds, steals, assists, free throw percentage? Like in college, he essentially shot no threes.
I prefer a player not attempt threes than try to be something he's not. Ala josh smith

ewing
10-19-2017, 09:18 AM
Vince Carter, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd. Heck even John Wall managed to improve his jumper.

There's been enough guys in the NBA that have managed to become a better shooter to say that it's possible for him to develop. The fact that he shot well form the line tells me it's more a confidence thing than anything else.

those guys weren't brick layers- they extended range. Wall is a decent comparison and he still can't shoot though he has gotten better. I wouldn't expect him to start draining 3s anytime soon

warfelg
10-19-2017, 09:25 AM
those guys weren't brick layers- they extended range. Wall is a decent comparison and he still can't shoot though he has gotten better. I wouldn't expect him to start draining 3s anytime soon

And I don't care if he does start draining 3's. I only ask of Simmons to use a jumper in the was LeBron does. Don't have to be great, but you have to be good enough to make a guy step out on you.

FWIW Shawn Marion was another guy that added range. And you must misremember early career for some of those guys if you think they weren't brick layers.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
10-19-2017, 09:27 AM
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MILLERHIGHLIFE
10-19-2017, 09:31 AM
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JAZZNC
10-19-2017, 09:35 AM
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Seeing stuff like this is why I just ignore when people say "I just don't see it" with him.

But those kind of stats are stupid.

You know the three players that have averaged 8 assists and 2 steals for their career? Stockton, Paul, and Rubio.....one of these things is not like the others!

Simmons will likely be a good player but his complete lack of a shot IS a legitimate question mark. It may develop, it may not. If it doesn't then he becomes much easier to guard and game plan for.

Dade County
10-19-2017, 09:36 AM
Whiteside had a very good game, I hope he can keep this up (maybe 21pts, 12reb a game), maybe finally he will get some real recognition. HEAT lost though...smh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkYmorsmeUk

Heat center Hassan Whiteside (26 points, 22 rebounds) became*the first player since Kevin Garnett in 2007 (22 points, 20 rebounds) with a 20/20 game on opening night.

warfelg
10-19-2017, 09:41 AM
Whiteside had a very good game, I hope he can keep this up (maybe 21pts, 12reb a game), maybe finally he will get some real recognition. HEAT lost though...smh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkYmorsmeUk

Heat center Hassan Whiteside (26 points, 22 rebounds) became*the first player since Kevin Garnett in 2007 (22 points, 20 rebounds) with a 20/20 game on opening night.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like every time we see a stat line like that from Whiteside, it's followed with "But the Heat lost."

ewing
10-19-2017, 09:48 AM
And I don't care if he does start draining 3's. I only ask of Simmons to use a jumper in the was LeBron does. Don't have to be great, but you have to be good enough to make a guy step out on you.

FWIW Shawn Marion was another guy that added range. And you must misremember early career for some of those guys if you think they weren't brick layers.

Marion came into the league shooting 80% from the line. He wasn't a brick layer- just ugly. extending range and developing touch are different things. maybe he figures it out this late but it's not likely.

warfelg
10-19-2017, 09:52 AM
Marion came into the league shooting 80% from the line. He wasn't a brick layer- just ugly. extending range and developing touch are different things. maybe he figures it out this late but it's not likely.

Guess Simmons might as well retire and call it a career right?

warfelg
10-19-2017, 10:26 AM
Fwiw I liked for Washingtonís sake that Oubre came out balling. Hopefully he can all season and be a legit 6th man combo 2-4 guy for them.

tredigs
10-19-2017, 10:35 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like every time we see a stat line like that from Whiteside, it's followed with "But the Heat lost."

We know enough about Whiteside (and his obsession with his 2k rating) to know all he cares about is getting his numbers.

warfelg
10-19-2017, 10:39 AM
I know, right? That's what Giannis should have done. He's so bad.

Would have saved himself the pain of being a one man destroyer of dreams.

This is what I hate that guys like Curry, KD, Kyrie have done to the game. They make you think of the guys isnít an elite shooter he canít be good. Meanwhile guys like LBJ, Westbrook, Wall, Giannis, Kwahi are out there proving you can be a drive first guy and still have huge amounts of success.

mrblisterdundee
10-19-2017, 10:39 AM
Guess Simmons might as well retire and call it a career right?

I know, right? That's what Giannis should have done. He's so bad.

ewing
10-19-2017, 10:49 AM
Guess Simmons might as well retire and call it a career right?

No just donít expect him to become a good shooter.


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TheDish87
10-19-2017, 10:56 AM
dude was still getting to the rim with defenders sagging 10 feet off and going under screens

warfelg
10-19-2017, 11:00 AM
No just donít expect him to become a good shooter.


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I've never once said "great shooter".

I've always ever said "good enough that defenders respect it".

FlashBolt
10-19-2017, 11:12 AM
Would have saved himself the pain of being a one man destroyer of dreams.

This is what I hate that guys like Curry, KD, Kyrie have done to the game. They make you think of the guys isnít an elite shooter he canít be good. Meanwhile guys like LBJ, Westbrook, Wall, Giannis, Kwahi are out there proving you can be a drive first guy and still have huge amounts of success.

It's funny you mention Curry, KD, and Kyrie. Outside of maybe KD (who is still not elite at those departments), those other guys don't have an elite overall game. Ben does. Even if Ben never shoots, his physical prowess and already high BBIQ would be enough to still be an amazing player. I mean, Giannis had an uglier shot but he's still dominating. I don't expect Ben to be better than Giannis but he's already a better passer. Plus, Ben is so skilled he can play PG or PF/C at times. He doesn't have to be an elite shooter by any means.

warfelg
10-19-2017, 11:46 AM
It's funny you mention Curry, KD, and Kyrie. Outside of maybe KD (who is still not elite at those departments), those other guys don't have an elite overall game. Ben does. Even if Ben never shoots, his physical prowess and already high BBIQ would be enough to still be an amazing player. I mean, Giannis had an uglier shot but he's still dominating. I don't expect Ben to be better than Giannis but he's already a better passer. Plus, Ben is so skilled he can play PG or PF/C at times. He doesn't have to be an elite shooter by any means.

Won't hear any arguments from me.

A guy who can drive it down the lane and get call after call with no way of stopping him is far scarier than anything else. A guy like that is who you are hopeless to defend. A guy like Curry can go cold at a moments notice. A guy who can get to the rim at will will almost always get to the rim.

IKnowHoops
10-19-2017, 11:58 AM
Won't hear any arguments from me.

A guy who can drive it down the lane and get call after call with no way of stopping him is far scarier than anything else. A guy like that is who you are hopeless to defend. A guy like Curry can go cold at a moments notice. A guy who can get to the rim at will will almost always get to the rim.

Well, you canít really say anything is scarier than Steph. He never goes cold. Once twice a year? Same as a layup guy. I remember when Tim Hardaway set the record for most misses to start a game. He was missing layups. Curry is not in the same category of any shooter ever. Heís to 3pt shooters what Shaq was to centers. But I do love Ben, and Iíve said I expect him to win ROY hands down.

FlashBolt
10-19-2017, 12:25 PM
Well, you canít really say anything is scarier than Steph. He never goes cold. Once twice a year? Same as a layup guy. I remember when Tim Hardaway set the record for most misses to start a game. He was missing layups. Curry is not in the same category of any shooter ever. Heís to 3pt shooters what Shaq was to centers. But I do love Ben, and Iíve said I expect him to win ROY hands down.

3P% involves more luck than a drive to the basket. You'll never see a guy miss that many layups compared to a guy who misses threes in a game. Outside of LeBron, Ben might be the best big at attacking the rim in the near future. That's something you just can't prevent. With Curry, just hope you get close to him and play tough. It might not stop him but it sure as hell irritates him. You can't stop a brute force attacking the rim - something Ben will probably be capable of. FYI, Steph has gone cold in many games shooting the three. He had 33 games where he shot below 35% of which 19 of them he shot below 30%. Considering league average is 35.5%, that's about 40% of games where he has been "cold."

Dade County
10-19-2017, 12:33 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like every time we see a stat line like that from Whiteside, it's followed with "But the Heat lost."

Lmao... No!

& it's HEAT. lol


We know enough about Whiteside (and his obsession with his 2k rating) to know all he cares about is getting his numbers.

Not true.... Maybe in his contract year, but he isn't that kind of player.

He only wants to be involved and not left out.. A main contributor, he has worked hard for this.

warfelg
10-19-2017, 12:37 PM
3P% involves more luck than a drive to the basket. You'll never see a guy miss that many layups compared to a guy who misses threes in a game. Outside of LeBron, Ben might be the best big at attacking the rim in the near future. That's something you just can't prevent. With Curry, just hope you get close to him and play tough. It might not stop him but it sure as hell irritates him. You can't stop a brute force attacking the rim - something Ben will probably be capable of. FYI, Steph has gone cold in many games shooting the three. He had 33 games where he shot below 35% of which 19 of them he shot below 30%. Considering league average is 35.5%, that's about 40% of games where he has been "cold."

Amen to this. What Curry hasn't experienced recently is a prolonged cold streak. He's usually out of it in 1 or 2 games.

ewing
10-19-2017, 12:51 PM
I've never once said "great shooter".

I've always ever said "good enough that defenders respect it".

you responded to me responding to MTM talking about Simmon's working on his 3 point shot, then compared his potential shooting arc to Steve Nash and VC. Good enough to be respected is right. Wall was a good comparison

ewing
10-19-2017, 12:59 PM
dude was still getting to the rim with defenders sagging 10 feet off and going under screens

Thats bad D. Jeff pointed it out and they never adjusted. If you leave a guy up to 12 feet and then go under he is inside 10 before you even try to close him off. Ben is just to big and athletic to let him get to inside 10 unfettered. They should been going under where they would pick up at like 15


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Vee-Rex
10-19-2017, 02:18 PM
Amen to this. What Curry hasn't experienced recently is a prolonged cold streak. He's usually out of it in 1 or 2 games.

That's not true. He has two or three stretches each year where he has a cold streak of like 4 or 5 games.

What people don't understand is that the nature of the Warriors offense as well as how ELITE he is at making the shots he takes (3-pointers) is what makes him soooooo dangerous. He misses plenty of 3's and has bad 3-point shooting games quite often.

1. Going 4/12 (33%) from 3-point range still produces 12 freaking points. A guy has to go 6/12 (50%) from 2-point range to match that. That's freaking crazy when you think about it. Even on his bad shooting nights, it takes a lot to match his points, and that's NOT including how good of a passer he is and how good he is at finishing at the rim and his mid-range.

2. GS plays at a blur-pace. So missing a bunch of 3-pointers isn't as crippling to them as it would be for a slow paced team.

Curry has more bad shooting nights than you guys seem to notice. It's just that he's pretty much JUST as likely to go 8/12 as he is to go 4/12. In the end, it all evens out and he manages to shoot 43'ish percent from the arc.

FlashBolt
10-19-2017, 02:33 PM
That's not true. He has two or three stretches each year where he has a cold streak of like 4 or 5 games.

What people don't understand is that the nature of the Warriors offense as well as how ELITE he is at making the shots he takes (3-pointers) is what makes him soooooo dangerous. He misses plenty of 3's and has bad 3-point shooting games quite often.

1. Going 4/12 (33%) from 3-point range still produces 12 freaking points. A guy has to go 6/12 (50%) from 2-point range to match that. That's freaking crazy when you think about it. Even on his bad shooting nights, it takes a lot to match his points, and that's NOT including how good of a passer he is and how good he is at finishing at the rim and his mid-range.

2. GS plays at a blur-pace. So missing a bunch of 3-pointers isn't as crippling to them as it would be for a slow paced team.

Curry has more bad shooting nights than you guys seem to notice. It's just that he's pretty much JUST as likely to go 8/12 as he is to go 4/12. In the end, it all evens out and he manages to shoot 43'ish percent from the arc.

Relativity matters. If you're telling me that Curry is shooting 33% from three for one game and the league average is 36%, then yes, by default, Curry is under average. If you are to tell me Curry shot below 30% for 19 games, then yes, by default, it is a cold shooting night. We understand Curry's inherent shooting impact and floor spacing while on the court but that's not quantifiable. Who's to say Nick Young isn't dangerous, either? He shoots at a high clip rate, too. By your own admission, the guy should be getting a far bigger contract. Plus, I'd much rather have a player who shoots 43% from threes every game than one who goes 50% one game and 30% another. Consistency wins games more-so than not. I believe Curry is the most impactful player in the NBA outside of LeBron. When teams scramble to defend the guy, it's almost hilarious how much attention Curry gets. But not enough mentions go towards how everything else has to be correct. Klay Thompson guarding Curry's man because Curry's defense is lacking, Draymond being an amazing pick-and-roll and also screener, even Bogut was huge in those aspects... lots of things have to go well than simply Curry shooting the ball. With Ben, not much you can do. The guy is 6'10 (Van Gundy was saying how Ben actually looks like he's 7 feet) and looks strong even at his age. Could you imagine Ben at age 25? Good luck stopping the guy because it's already looking like he can get to the basket quite easily. MTM somehow thought I hate Ben when he's probably the closest rookie to resemble LeBron's game.. I like Ben a lot. He's going to be able to rebound, pass, and attack the rim. His defense could use some work but it's expected when your team doesn't play defense overall and you're a rookie. the scary part of Ben's game is it looked easy for him so far. He's going to be a headache for many teams.

Scoots
10-19-2017, 02:42 PM
Injuries suck. Season ending injuries in game 1 are just depressing.

JAZZNC
10-19-2017, 04:09 PM
3P% involves more luck than a drive to the basket. You'll never see a guy miss that many layups compared to a guy who misses threes in a game. Outside of LeBron, Ben might be the best big at attacking the rim in the near future. That's something you just can't prevent. With Curry, just hope you get close to him and play tough. It might not stop him but it sure as hell irritates him. You can't stop a brute force attacking the rim - something Ben will probably be capable of. FYI, Steph has gone cold in many games shooting the three. He had 33 games where he shot below 35% of which 19 of them he shot below 30%. Considering league average is 35.5%, that's about 40% of games where he has been "cold."

Did you seriously just say that 3pt% is luck compared to driving to the basket? What an absolutely ridiculous statement! Steph isn't lucky, he's damn good.

FlashBolt
10-19-2017, 04:35 PM
Did you seriously just say that 3pt% is luck compared to driving to the basket? What an absolutely ridiculous statement! Steph isn't lucky, he's damn good.

Read my first sentence again. I said shooting the ball involves more luck than a drive to the basket. Obviously I have more respect for Curry's shooting than implying he's just lucky...

ewing
10-19-2017, 04:42 PM
Did you seriously just say that 3pt% is luck compared to driving to the basket? What an absolutely ridiculous statement! Steph isn't lucky, he's damn good.

he says a lot of things

More-Than-Most
10-19-2017, 05:39 PM
ben simmons is 1 of 5 players ever to debut with 18/10/5 and one of 2 players ever to do it with only 1 turnover... the other 4...grant hill... oscar... and 3 other players that are some of the best ever but i forget which ones they showed.... on top of this john wall had this to say

http://www.sportstalkphilly.com/2017/10/john-wall-on-ben-simmons-hes-like-a-lebron-.html


The funny thing is in back to back nights we could see a similar or better stat line with ball tonight... I love the NBA

FlashBolt
10-19-2017, 05:44 PM
ben simmons is 1 of 5 players ever to debut with 18/10/5 and one of 2 players ever to do it with only 1 turnover... the other 4...grant hill... oscar... and 3 other players that are some of the best ever but i forget which ones they showed.... on top of this john wall had this to say

http://www.sportstalkphilly.com/2017/10/john-wall-on-ben-simmons-hes-like-a-lebron-.html


The funny thing is in back to back nights we could see a similar or better stat line with ball tonight... I love the NBA

Ben Simmons seems to be more NBA-ready than Lonzo. Lakers would take Ben over Lonzo any day, IMO. Lonzo's going to have a rough transition seeing as some elite players really hate his dad.

Scoots
10-19-2017, 05:54 PM
Simmons should not be ROY eligible

More-Than-Most
10-19-2017, 05:56 PM
Ben Simmons seems to be more NBA-ready than Lonzo. Lakers would take Ben over Lonzo any day, IMO. Lonzo's going to have a rough transition seeing as some elite players really hate his dad.

simmons also has the benefit of embiid and shooters but the thing that people arent realizing.... ball has a pretty sick offensive weapon in the middle now and i think he will help ball a ton in the early on... i hate Lopez because of his defense and rebounding but the dude is offensively sick.... ingram needs to be the ingram i fell inlove with and the key... Ball will have some growing pains much like simmons and tbh both guys i have had issues with because of their shooting but the inside of lopez should open up ball for some early 3s and unlike simmons ball can drop those.

You are correct though people are gonna play harder at him because of his stupid genius father. I liked ingram more than simmons and i liked fultz/JJ/DSF over ball.... Fun note I loved fultz more than anyone in that draft by alot... I would have given up more to get him.... but i cant hate on ball for his shot and be ok with fultz and whatever the **** happened to his shot... I pray its because he is hurt and if it is they should sit him down... but his shooting motion is the worst i have seen since marion

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/10/18/16501532/markelle-fultz-free-throw-form-76ers-concern


i have never seen someone switch their shot up like he has lol

FlashBolt
10-19-2017, 06:39 PM
simmons also has the benefit of embiid and shooters but the thing that people arent realizing.... ball has a pretty sick offensive weapon in the middle now and i think he will help ball a ton in the early on... i hate Lopez because of his defense and rebounding but the dude is offensively sick.... ingram needs to be the ingram i fell inlove with and the key... Ball will have some growing pains much like simmons and tbh both guys i have had issues with because of their shooting but the inside of lopez should open up ball for some early 3s and unlike simmons ball can drop those.

You are correct though people are gonna play harder at him because of his stupid genius father. I liked ingram more than simmons and i liked fultz/JJ/DSF over ball.... Fun note I loved fultz more than anyone in that draft by alot... I would have given up more to get him.... but i cant hate on ball for his shot and be ok with fultz and whatever the **** happened to his shot... I pray its because he is hurt and if it is they should sit him down... but his shooting motion is the worst i have seen since marion

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/10/18/16501532/markelle-fultz-free-throw-form-76ers-concern


i have never seen someone switch their shot up like he has lol

I couldn't tell if it was a serious shot or not. It looked like he was looking through some binoculars or something. That has to be one of the strangest form I've seen. A bit odd how he sucks this bad at FT's. That's definitely something that most players never improve on, too. How many guys stand at the FT line practicing? Way too boring for them lol

IKnowHoops
10-19-2017, 06:59 PM
Ben Simmons seems to be more NBA-ready than Lonzo. Lakers would take Ben over Lonzo any day, IMO. Lonzo's going to have a rough transition seeing as some elite players really hate his dad.

Always helps to be physically, a man amongst boys.

IKnowHoops
10-19-2017, 07:02 PM
Simmons should not be ROY eligible

? Blake and Embiid were.

Aust
10-19-2017, 10:33 PM
ben simmons is 1 of 5 players ever to debut with 18/10/5 and one of 2 players ever to do it with only 1 turnover... the other 4...grant hill... oscar... and 3 other players that are some of the best ever but i forget which ones they showed.... on top of this john wall had this to say

http://www.sportstalkphilly.com/2017/10/john-wall-on-ben-simmons-hes-like-a-lebron-.html


The funny thing is in back to back nights we could see a similar or better stat line with ball tonight... I love the NBA

No chance he puts up that many points. Work in progress right now. Not expecting big numbers or that many minutes.

TheDish87
10-20-2017, 08:56 AM
? Blake and Embiid were.

everyone ever was lol