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mrblisterdundee
10-11-2017, 10:55 AM
There hasn't been a post on this in nearly two weeks, so I'll take this one over too.
Take into account a player's entire career, including championships, awards, peaks and longevity. Voting will last two days.
It's far from perfect, but I'm going to use ESPN's all-time player rankings (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankalltime/greatest-players-ever) as a baseline for selecting who's in the 10-player pool to vote on. This time around, I'm adding Moses Malone, who was ranked 15th by ESPN.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Lebron James
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaquille O'Neal

valade16
10-11-2017, 12:06 PM
At what point do we vote Bill Russell?

He went against the guy everybody voted 4th and he limited him about as well as anyone can limit such a star player:

1960:
Wilt: RS 37 PPG 27 RPG | Playoffs 30 PPG 27 RPG
Bill: RS 18 PPG 24 RPG | Playoffs 20.7 PPG 27 RPG

1962:
Wilt: RS 50 PPG 25.7 RPG | Playoffs 33.6 PPG | 27 RPG
Bill: RS 19 PPG 23.6 RPG | Playoffs 22 PPG | 25.9 RPG

1965:
Wilt: 34.7 PPG 23 RPG | Playoffs 30 PPG | 31.4 RPG
Bill: 14.1 PPG 24 RPG | Playoffs 15.6 PPG | 25 RPG

By the time Wilt started having more success against Bill in the postseason Bill was clearly in decline. But when Russell was at his peak he held Wilt to 7 points below his average in 1960, 17 in 1962 and nearly 5 in 1965. And while he was limiting Wilt's PPG he was increasing his own every time as well.

Russell was a very good player. Coupled with his accolades he should be the pick here.

Hawkeye15
10-11-2017, 04:45 PM
here is where my admitted man crush on Dream comes into play.

GREATNESS ONE
10-11-2017, 09:25 PM
Kobe & Magic either order.

ewing
10-11-2017, 09:40 PM
At what point do we vote Bill Russell?

He went against the guy everybody voted 4th and he limited him about as well as anyone can limit such a star player:

1960:
Wilt: RS 37 PPG 27 RPG | Playoffs 30 PPG 27 RPG
Bill: RS 18 PPG 24 RPG | Playoffs 20.7 PPG 27 RPG

1962:
Wilt: RS 50 PPG 25.7 RPG | Playoffs 33.6 PPG | 27 RPG
Bill: RS 19 PPG 23.6 RPG | Playoffs 22 PPG | 25.9 RPG

1965:
Wilt: 34.7 PPG 23 RPG | Playoffs 30 PPG | 31.4 RPG
Bill: 14.1 PPG 24 RPG | Playoffs 15.6 PPG | 25 RPG

By the time Wilt started having more success against Bill in the postseason Bill was clearly in decline. But when Russell was at his peak he held Wilt to 7 points below his average in 1960, 17 in 1962 and nearly 5 in 1965. And while he was limiting Wilt's PPG he was increasing his own every time as well.

Russell was a very good player. Coupled with his accolades he should be the pick here.

i was thinking the same thing about Magic and Bird

FlashBolt
10-11-2017, 10:54 PM
Why can't we see who voted for who?

ewing
10-11-2017, 11:21 PM
i vote Magic b/c Kurt Rambis is still in the NBA. i don't that last more then a year without Magic

mrblisterdundee
10-12-2017, 01:43 AM
Why can't we see who voted for who?

I didn't even think about that.

More-Than-Most
10-12-2017, 01:54 AM
i voted larry but would rather my vote go for magic and then the dream... I voted Larry not thinking magic would still be on the board lol

kdspurman
10-12-2017, 10:08 AM
I didn't even think about that.

Thanks for taking the lead on these... When you're making the polls, on the bottom of that page (before you submit), there's an option to make votes public.

Heediot
10-12-2017, 10:15 AM
Magic, again leadership is under-rated. Russell should be close due to that department too.

FlashBolt
10-12-2017, 10:33 AM
I didn't even think about that.

Gotcha. I always forget to put that option too.

Anyways, I voted for Kobe. I think he's achieved way too much to not be mentioned right now. 3rd in all-time points, five rings, 2x finals MVP, pretty elite defense in his early career, one of the best players for a decade.

tredigs
10-12-2017, 07:20 PM
Nobody left really sniffs Russell's impact/accolades/success. He could and does go as high as #2 on these lists as often as not.

mrblisterdundee
10-12-2017, 09:09 PM
Nobody left really sniffs Russell's impact/accolades/success. He could and does go as high as #2 on these lists as often as not.

I think people sour on him because of the era. Back then, just being 6'10" gave you an advantage. There were only six teams when he entered the league and 14 by the time he retired. Russell was one of the best defenders ever, but the Celtics always had several hall-of-famers on the squad. Of course they won a lot of championships.
Even though Russell had unparalleled dominance back then, a lot of people think he'd get roasted by modern NBA stars.

tredigs
10-13-2017, 12:10 AM
I think people sour on him because of the era. Back then, just being 6'10" gave you an advantage. There were only six teams when he entered the league and 14 by the time he retired. Russell was one of the best defenders ever, but the Celtics always had several hall-of-famers on the squad. Of course they won a lot of championships.
Even though Russell had unparalleled dominance back then, a lot of people think he'd get roasted by modern NBA stars.

Oh I know the detractions. Though they are heavily overstated imo and we saw Russell battle many top 15-25 level Goats and walk out of that era considered by most onlookers as the premier player. Throw in being a top 5 or higher defender, shot blocker, rebounder and leader in NBA history along with footage showing his wild and massively underrated athleticism and you have yourself a clear top 5 player all time. If the awards existed and the 10 DPOY's and 10 Finals MVP's were under his belt, this wouldn't ever be a question. Russell should never go below 5.