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jericho
10-04-2017, 11:37 AM
Alright guys. I just got this idea with all the draft chatter that's been going on and posted a lil about it on the Van Gundy thread (to negative feedback even tho I think it would be good). I would like your thoughts and ideas as to how make it better. Anyways here we go:

After the regular season is over get the teams that didn't make the playoffs and put them in a tournament to determine the draft order.

Tournament winner gets 1st pick, 2nd pick goes to the runner up and teams eliminated in the same round would use a point system like in the fiba tournaments to determine their placing.

Traded picks. Let's say team A trades their pick to team B, but team B is in the playoffs. Team B would then use their Nbadl team in said tournament. If it's a protected pick team A gets to decide if they want to compete in tournament or not(still working on this aspect of it)

I think it would work given that teams would be forced to build a better team in order to prepare for either the draft pick run or a playoff run.

And the Nbadl teams players would want to showcase their talents to get called up, so they would ball out.

TheDish87
10-04-2017, 11:47 AM
no. dumbest idea ever, literally.

FlashBolt
10-04-2017, 01:00 PM
Impossible to implement this all of a sudden. Players would protest as to playing more games and this would distract viewers to the playoffs.. on principle, it's not a bad idea but then again, not all teams that miss the playoffs are bad but you're going to be rewarding them as if they are..

Scoots
10-04-2017, 01:30 PM
A playoff for the top pick would mean the best team would be likely to get the most better. If that was true this coming year and I was going to be the 8 seed in the west and going to face the Warriors in round 1 I'd have my top 3 players have convenient injuries over the last month of the season to finish 9th and then they can be healthy for the NIT ... I mean the draft tournament.

jericho
10-04-2017, 01:34 PM
Impossible to implement this all of a sudden. Players would protest as to playing more games and this would distract viewers to the playoffs.. on principle, it's not a bad idea but then again, not all teams that miss the playoffs are bad but you're going to be rewarding them as if they are..

I get ya. The reason I think it would work in a competitive stand point, is because we wouldn't have a team like philly building a team that will be a practice games for other teams and actually have to build a team to compete for wtvr may come

hugepatsfan
10-04-2017, 01:35 PM
Why on Earth does anyone care that a team who already sucks might actively try to suck a little bit more. Good God, people act like with lottery reform the bottom of the league teams are going to put up a fight against good teams lmfao

jericho
10-04-2017, 01:37 PM
A playoff for the top pick would mean the best team would be likely to get the most better. If that was true this coming year and I was going to be the 8 seed in the west and going to face the Warriors in round 1 I'd have my top 3 players have convenient injuries over the last month of the season to finish 9th and then they can be healthy for the NIT ... I mean the draft tournament.

Agree now what could we do in a tournament like this to prevent that from happening. Fines? Have an NBA team of doctors check said players? What would you suggest?

mightybosstone
10-04-2017, 01:48 PM
This idea would be fun in theory, but it fundamentally is the polar opposite of the point of draft orders in the first place. Teams that are bad should get higher draft picks than teams that are good. And, to Scoots' point, you're going to have teams that are on the bubble tanking late in the season to have a chance at a top draft pick.

Bottom line, though, this doesn't fix the tanking problem at all. It will just create a different system of tanking with a different tier of teams. And it would make it so that the bottom five teams are pretty much always in the bottom five unless they get lucky and somehow win the tournament.

TheDish87
10-04-2017, 03:54 PM
all this does is encourage the 7/8 seeds to tank for a shot at the top pick rather then getting the broom in round 1 (if they choose). Could you imagine the Sixers or Wolves or Bucks or Blazers deciding to tank at the end of the season while healthy? What if a team slides due to a key injury or multiple like KD with OKC then he comes back to get him and Russ the top pick? none of that is fair or promoting competitive balance.

hugepatsfan
10-04-2017, 04:18 PM
all this does is encourage the 7/8 seeds to tank for a shot at the top pick rather then getting the broom in round 1 (if they choose). Could you imagine the Sixers or Wolves or Bucks or Blazers deciding to tank at the end of the season while healthy? What if a team slides due to a key injury or multiple like KD with OKC then he comes back to get him and Russ the top pick? none of that is fair or promoting competitive balance.

Honestly, that's probably better for the league if we're being honest. One of those teams getting another really high pick could actually propel them into being real contenders. You'd still have bottom feeders but you'd get some more parity at the top of the league at least.

warfelg
10-04-2017, 04:23 PM
Honestly, that's probably better for the league if we're being honest. One of those teams getting another really high pick could actually propel them into being real contenders. You'd still have bottom feeders but you'd get some more parity at the top of the league at least.

That's the problem though....you'll never get owners on board. You'll just have this rotation where 7/8 seeds rise to 2/3/4, those seeds push 5/6 down, then those 5/6 seeds become the teams that win the lotto playoff.

If you're a team that's really bad, you won't be able to sign FA's in a max FA scheme, and you'll never be good enough to win the lotto playoff.

In a sport that 1 player can make that much of a difference you'll never get owners on board with a system that rewards being just bad enough.

hugepatsfan
10-04-2017, 04:34 PM
That's the problem though....you'll never get owners on board. You'll just have this rotation where 7/8 seeds rise to 2/3/4, those seeds push 5/6 down, then those 5/6 seeds become the teams that win the lotto playoff.

If you're a team that's really bad, you won't be able to sign FA's in a max FA scheme, and you'll never be good enough to win the lotto playoff.

In a sport that 1 player can make that much of a difference you'll never get owners on board with a system that rewards being just bad enough.

Oh I agree, bad for owners. But as a fan, honestly, that's probably a better product IMO. barely any team ever amounts to anything in terms of really competing for championships. That's what annoys me about the sport, not that the crappy teams are 5 games worse than if they tried.

If the bad teams start trying to spend money and actually pursue players like the league wants them to it's just gonna be that much more watered down at the top, TBH.

warfelg
10-04-2017, 04:35 PM
Oh I agree, bad for owners. But as a fan, honestly, that's probably a better product IMO. barely any team ever amounts to anything in terms of really competing for championships. That's what annoys me about the sport, not that the crappy teams are 5 games worse than if they tried.

If the bad teams start trying to spend money and actually pursue players like the league wants them to it's just gonna be that much more watered down at the top, TBH.

It's why the 2 best things that can happen for the NBA are a higher hard cap and no max deals.

TheDish87
10-04-2017, 04:44 PM
Honestly, that's probably better for the league if we're being honest. One of those teams getting another really high pick could actually propel them into being real contenders. You'd still have bottom feeders but you'd get some more parity at the top of the league at least.

thats keeping the rich richer and the poor poorer. its horrible for the league if you ask me. too easy to cheat the system in this case and likely hurts any top pick bcuz they will not have near the chance to develop properly

hugepatsfan
10-04-2017, 04:49 PM
thats keeping the rich richer and the poor poorer. its horrible for the league if you ask me. too easy to cheat the system in this case and likely hurts any top pick bcuz they will not have near the chance to develop properly

Are the borderline 7/8 seeds that would be in position to manipulate this system really "rich" though? If the Warriors and Cavs of the world are "rich" I'd say the borderline 7/8 seeds are more like "lower middle class" if even that. And as you know, most of them are on the "treadmill" with no shot of ever getting to be a "rich" team.

So this system would actually give those teams a path to get up on the level of GS/CLE. Sure, it would dive the gap between the rich and the poor but it would add to how many teams are in the rich group. It'd make the regular season worse but it'd probably help the first 2-3 rounds of the playoffs not be formalities and sweeps.

mrblisterdundee
10-04-2017, 04:49 PM
I like Van Gundy's idea better, as long as there would be a rock-hard cap, or at least one that makes billionaires scared to go over. There are weaknesses with player development and other issues, but that would all be part of the valuation of rookies versus veterans.

warfelg
10-04-2017, 04:58 PM
Are the borderline 7/8 seeds that would be in position to manipulate this system really "rich" though? If the Warriors and Cavs of the world are "rich" I'd say the borderline 7/8 seeds are more like "lower middle class" if even that. And as you know, most of them are on the "treadmill" with no shot of ever getting to be a "rich" team.

So this system would actually give those teams a path to get up on the level of GS/CLE. Sure, it would dive the gap between the rich and the poor but it would add to how many teams are in the rich group. It'd make the regular season worse but it'd probably help the first 2-3 rounds of the playoffs not be formalities and sweeps.

That's the problem to me.

I think if you make the regular season more interesting, the playoffs automatically become more interesting. So finding a way of pushing more of the 'poor' up, and pushing more of the 'rich' down we get a really interesting league.

Sure you maybe still have 2 'top of the class' in each conference. But maybe you can make 3-9 seeds much more interesting, and 10-12 can still really make a run at it. And because of adjustments those top 2 could be much more vulnerable.

I'm picturing a place where like Cleveland spends a bunch on LBJ/Love and has little depth, Boston with Kyrie/Hayward with little depth, and then you get say Milwaukee who has Giannis with a bunch of depth. In the west does a Curry/KD without much depth overrun a Westbrook lead team that goes deep. Does a CP3/Harden team pull away from a Kwahi lead deep team.

I think that would be awesome for the NBA. Like sure you can have Curry/KD, but then you're going to be starting guys like Zaza, Roberson, Aminu with them because you can't afford better players. Or if you have Westbrook you can afford to put guys like Covington, Ingles, Olynik, and KCP around him because you can afford some better 3nD shooters to surround him with. Actually.....I would really like to see that matchup.

WaDe03
10-04-2017, 05:42 PM
I wouldn't mind it with maybe the bottom 8 or 4 teams. Keep a gap between the playoffs and this so teams can't cheat the system and drop to the 9th seed.

Everyone between this tournament and the playoffs will pick in order based on record, the bottom 8 or 4 play a single elimination or best 2 out of 3 tournament. It would definitely bring in money.

jericho
10-04-2017, 08:46 PM
I wouldn't mind it with maybe the bottom 8 or 4 teams. Keep a gap between the playoffs and this so teams can't cheat the system and drop to the 9th seed.

Everyone between this tournament and the playoffs will pick in order based on record, the bottom 8 or 4 play a single elimination or best 2 out of 3 tournament. It would definitely bring in money.

I would actually keep it the same tho. Because it would make all teams that are not in the playoffs build teams that could compete with the bottom playoffs team

TheDish87
10-05-2017, 08:48 AM
there is no reason for players to compete to bring in their potential replacement. Not every team owns their own draft pick anyway so it could never work and impacts trading picks too much. Im ignoring the team who owns someone elses pick uses a D league team bcuz thats dumb and how do you determine for teams with multiple firsts? cant ever work and would never be considered.

jericho
10-05-2017, 09:16 AM
there is no reason for players to compete to bring in their potential replacement. Not every team owns their own draft pick anyway so it could never work and impacts trading picks too much. Im ignoring the team who owns someone elses pick uses a D league team bcuz thats dumb and how do you determine for teams with multiple firsts? cant ever work and would never be considered.

Why reward that team that's on the playoffs with a good pick? If their Dleague teams wins the tourney then good for them but for those players in the Dleague team it gives them an opportunity to showcase their talents against NBA level competition and a potential call up. So they will ball out for a shot at a call up.

Now for teams with multiple first i havent figured that out yet. What might you suggest?

TheDish87
10-05-2017, 09:37 AM
i dont suggest anything, im not fond of the idea.

ewing
10-05-2017, 09:59 AM
no. dumbest idea ever, literally.
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TylerSL
10-05-2017, 11:22 AM
I have an idea. End the lottery and start giving the picks in order of worst teams. The top picks need to go to the worst teams so everyone can have an opportunity to win, not leave it up to chance. That is what the MLB and NFL do and they don't seem to have the same year in/year out parity issues the NBA sometimes does. Yes everyone thinks we ought to disincentivize teams from tanking and I have a solution for that.

The NBA owners share their money. Teams in the luxury tax pay taxes that get distributed to the other teams across the leauge. The Lakers share regional television revenue, and big market teams funnel money to smaller market teams all the time. The NBA is a socialistic society who rise and fall together. What the league can do to stop teams from tanking is obviously start forcing tanking teams to allocate resources to the other teams. If the league believes that a team like the Philadelphia 76ers are intentionally tanking then they should be forced to give money to the other NBA teams. They should also not qualify for revenue sharing themselves. See how fast intentionally losing stops then.

If the NBA was serious about policing this they would threaten teams' bottom line. The NBA can continue to grow with a team or two losing money, in fact nine teams lost money last season and the league as a whole made a net $530 million last season. This is the solution to end tanking and the lottery is a hot mess and should be abolished.

Scoots
10-05-2017, 04:38 PM
That's the problem to me.

I think if you make the regular season more interesting, the playoffs automatically become more interesting. So finding a way of pushing more of the 'poor' up, and pushing more of the 'rich' down we get a really interesting league.

Sure you maybe still have 2 'top of the class' in each conference. But maybe you can make 3-9 seeds much more interesting, and 10-12 can still really make a run at it. And because of adjustments those top 2 could be much more vulnerable.

I'm picturing a place where like Cleveland spends a bunch on LBJ/Love and has little depth, Boston with Kyrie/Hayward with little depth, and then you get say Milwaukee who has Giannis with a bunch of depth. In the west does a Curry/KD without much depth overrun a Westbrook lead team that goes deep. Does a CP3/Harden team pull away from a Kwahi lead deep team.

I think that would be awesome for the NBA. Like sure you can have Curry/KD, but then you're going to be starting guys like Zaza, Roberson, Aminu with them because you can't afford better players. Or if you have Westbrook you can afford to put guys like Covington, Ingles, Olynik, and KCP around him because you can afford some better 3nD shooters to surround him with. Actually.....I would really like to see that matchup.

If you reduce the regular season to 30 games it will be more interesting.

FlashBolt
10-05-2017, 04:44 PM
If you reduce the regular season to 30 games it will be more interesting.

Lmao... are you going where I think you are going?