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HandsOnTheWheel
10-03-2017, 06:43 PM
1.) Lebron James
2.) Kevin Durant
3.) Kawhi Leonard
4.) Stephen Curry
5.) Russell Westbrook
6.) James Harden

mngopher35
10-03-2017, 07:39 PM
CP3

Last player in this tier with Westy/Harden imo (who are all a step behind the top 4).

FlashBolt
10-03-2017, 09:11 PM
Give me AD.

tredigs
10-03-2017, 10:47 PM
CP3. Giannis next.

More-Than-Most
10-04-2017, 06:42 AM
give me AD... then CP3... then towns... the giannis

Hawkeye15
10-04-2017, 10:02 AM
this one is tough finally. I will take CP3, but I can live with Davis here too. I think CP3, Davis, Freak, and Towns, round out the top 10.

kdspurman
10-04-2017, 10:27 AM
I got Paul here too.

Chronz
10-04-2017, 12:14 PM
Towns? Are we projecting? It's EASILY cp3

Hawkeye15
10-04-2017, 02:17 PM
Towns? Are we projecting? It's EASILY cp3

Towns doesn't have a vote. I would project Towns at #10 this year or so.

Rivera
10-04-2017, 02:30 PM
Cp3 here. The next vote is where things will get fun for me. AD or the Greek freak

mrblisterdundee
10-04-2017, 04:42 PM
It remains to be seen how he meshes with the slightly better Harden, but Paul seems right here.

mngopher35
10-04-2017, 05:09 PM
Towns doesn't have a vote. I would project Towns at #10 this year or so.

I think that is possible honestly off of projection. We saw his February and on jump up rookie year and then he outplayed it as a whole last season continuing to improve even off that smaller sample.

Well last year from February on we are talking about:

28/13/2 type player shooting 59% overall and 41% from 3 (34 games). If he even just matches those same numbers for all of next year it would be insane. Not sure he quite gets there with our new look and everything but I do think he is still clearly projecting upward and has already proven he can do it in almost half a season.

Looking it up only 2 players in history have had at least 28/12 on 55%+ shooting in a season: Kareem and Shaq

DanG
10-04-2017, 06:01 PM
Ehh, CP3 always seems kinda overrated on this site. I think a case could be made for multiple players besides him.

tredigs
10-04-2017, 06:39 PM
Draymond brings more impact then both KAT and AD. They both have a long ways to go in understanding how to play defense (AD is at least solid man to man), and at that position, it's a major factor. Never bought the idea that Draymond would not crush no matter what team he is on (though we may never find out...). Those two still have a lot of growth before I'm comfortable with them in the top-8 discussion. Prefer Giannis over both as well, who is a solid jumper away from being a perennial MVP candidate.

ewing
10-04-2017, 10:59 PM
why aren't Lillard and IT on the bottom of this list too?

Raps08-09 Champ
10-04-2017, 11:55 PM
I picked Giannis because I think he will finish higher in MVP this year and clearly take the next step.

Bostonjorge
10-05-2017, 12:07 AM
Cp3

Hawkeye15
10-05-2017, 11:38 AM
I think that is possible honestly off of projection. We saw his February and on jump up rookie year and then he outplayed it as a whole last season continuing to improve even off that smaller sample.

Well last year from February on we are talking about:

28/13/2 type player shooting 59% overall and 41% from 3 (34 games). If he even just matches those same numbers for all of next year it would be insane. Not sure he quite gets there with our new look and everything but I do think he is still clearly projecting upward and has already proven he can do it in almost half a season.

Looking it up only 2 players in history have had at least 28/12 on 55%+ shooting in a season: Kareem and Shaq

we have more scorers now, so I would think a 23/12/3 on great shooting, and an uptick defensively, is what we might see from Towns this year. Easily all star level, and probably all NBA level.

I think he is a top 10 player this year, maybe some of that is projection, but I can't name 10 better the 2nd half of last season, so maybe it's not just projections..

Hawkeye15
10-05-2017, 11:39 AM
why aren't Lillard and IT on the bottom of this list too?

because neither are top 15

valade16
10-05-2017, 12:44 PM
There's a legitimate debate between Lillard and DeRozan, Wall and Cousins.

FlashBolt
10-05-2017, 12:48 PM
There's a legitimate debate between Lillard and DeRozan, Wall and Cousins.

I think Wall is on another level from those guys, personally. Cousins I'm not too sure yet. I gave him top 10 during the season but I may have to lean towards the stat inflator for him if Pelicans still can't find ways to win. No reason AD+Cousins shouldn't absolutely pummel a frontcourt and win games by default. But Wall is the best defender from that group, is a pass-first PG who can absolutely get his own shot, and he seems more capable of leading a team. Only issue for me has always been his inefficiency with the three ball. If he could hit 40% like some guards are doing, he would be an absolute nightmare.

valade16
10-05-2017, 01:36 PM
^ Won't let me quote, but in regards to your post:

Yes, Wall can do all those things, but when talking about impact, Lillard and Wall are very close with Lillard having the statistical edge.

Lillard crushes Wall in OBPM (6.4 to 3.8), he is ahead in overall BPM (4.3 to 4.1) and they had the same VORP (4.3). Lillard topped him in WS/48 (.185 to .149) and PER (24.1 to 23.2). Lillard was even ahead on ESPN's Real Plus Minus (3.14 to 2.26).

Statistics aren't everything and I have no problem someone saying Wall was better last year. But last year was easily Wall's best, whereas Lillard hasn't quite been as good as the last year LMA was in Portland, and he still statistically outperformed him.

Regardless, they're on the same level IMO.

Hawkeye15
10-05-2017, 01:52 PM
There's a legitimate debate between Lillard and DeRozan, Wall and Cousins.

Wall is the best of that bunch, but not by enough its worth arguing over. DeRozan the worst

I will say, depending on my needs, I might take Lillard over Wall in some scenarios.

ewing
10-05-2017, 02:01 PM
There's a legitimate debate between Lillard and DeRozan, Wall and Cousins.

I'd take Wall or Lillard out of those 4


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WaDe03
10-05-2017, 05:06 PM
LeBron

Durant
Curry

Kawhi
Westbrook
Harden

AD
Giannis
Jimmy
Wall

If we're being honest.

WaDe03
10-05-2017, 05:10 PM
So you all don't think Wall has passed CP3 yet? I have CP3 at 11.

mngopher35
10-05-2017, 05:31 PM
So you all don't think Wall has passed CP3 yet? I have CP3 at 11.

Nope.

Cp3 has him in PER, WS/48, BPM,RPM as well as clearly being the more efficient player with better defense. Wall is closer to Kyrie/Lilliard and CP3 is closer to Westy/Harden.

kdspurman
10-05-2017, 06:23 PM
LeBron

Durant
Curry

Kawhi
Westbrook
Harden

AD
Giannis
Jimmy
Wall

If we're being honest.

Kawhi is most def in that 2nd group imo. I'd def have CP3 in there too, tho I think Wall could make a leap this year

WaDe03
10-05-2017, 07:13 PM
Kawhi is most def in that 2nd group imo. I'd def have CP3 in there too, tho I think Wall could make a leap this year

I think Wall and CP3 were pretty close last year but I'm thinking Wall solidifies it this year.

Kawhi is for me, the hardest player to rank for some reason. He's definitely in my 4-6 range but I don't see him as being in a tier above Westbrook and Harden. Especially after how they dominated last year.

WaDe03
10-05-2017, 07:15 PM
Also for people saying Towns, Jimmy is for sure the best player on the Wolves. 2-way monster and as clutch as it gets.

Bostonjorge
10-06-2017, 06:49 AM
Isiah Thomas took Wall out these playoffs. Thomas dropped 53 on Wall in game 2.

Irving is also above Wall. Irving is the one who looks primed up for a big time season.

Hawkeye15
10-06-2017, 09:50 AM
So you all don't think Wall has passed CP3 yet? I have CP3 at 11.

god no. Never.

Hawkeye15
10-06-2017, 09:50 AM
Isiah Thomas took Wall out these playoffs. Thomas dropped 53 on Wall in game 2.

Irving is also above Wall. Irving is the one who looks primed up for a big time season.

well, you just listed the 2 most overrated PG's in the game..

WaDe03
10-06-2017, 09:53 AM
Isiah Thomas took Wall out these playoffs. Thomas dropped 53 on Wall in game 2.

Irving is also above Wall. Irving is the one who looks primed up for a big time season.

IT had a much better supporting cast.

Irving literally only scores better.

kdspurman
10-06-2017, 12:01 PM
I think Wall and CP3 were pretty close last year but I'm thinking Wall solidifies it this year.

Kawhi is for me, the hardest player to rank for some reason. He's definitely in my 4-6 range but I don't see him as being in a tier above Westbrook and Harden. Especially after how they dominated last year.

His defense puts him above both imo.

WaDe03
10-06-2017, 12:12 PM
His defense puts him above both imo.

Would probably be an easier decision for me had the injury on Zazas dirty play not happened.

kdspurman
10-06-2017, 12:32 PM
Would probably be an easier decision for me had the injury on Zazas dirty play not happened.

He was putting in work too

:sigh:

WaDe03
10-06-2017, 12:56 PM
He was putting in work too

:sigh:

I know, so disappointing. :mad:

FlashBolt
10-06-2017, 01:23 PM
So you all don't think Wall has passed CP3 yet? I have CP3 at 11.

Not even close. CP3 doesn't get enough credit because he has been so good for so long. People like the stat-stuffers like Harden+RWB so much they forget CP3 has held his own against just about everyone.

ewing
10-07-2017, 07:26 AM
well, you just listed the 2 most overrated PG's in the game..

sure when you throw out stats and team accomplishments