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WaDe03
08-22-2017, 06:01 PM
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Interesting. I wonder what the full details are.

hugepatsfan
08-22-2017, 06:05 PM
If Kyrie wants to be in Boston like David griffin said then it's a good long term move for BOS depending on the rest of the package. But they're comparable in the short term and IT plus more probably is a step back for Boston.

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 06:14 PM
If Kyrie wants to be in Boston like David griffin said then it's a good long term move for BOS depending on the rest of the package. But they're comparable in the short term and IT plus more probably is a step back for Boston.

What do you think the full offer is?

I would assume IT Crowder and either picks, the BKN pick, Brown, or Tatum for Kyrie and another guy or two.

Chronz
08-22-2017, 06:19 PM
What do you think the full offer is?

I would assume IT Crowder and either picks, the BKN pick, Brown, or Tatum for Kyrie and another guy or two.
You overrate Kyrie

KobeOwnSU
08-22-2017, 06:22 PM
You overrate KyrieVery much overrate. No way is he worth all that.

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hugepatsfan
08-22-2017, 06:24 PM
People overrate Kyrie so if Ainge "strikes out" on this one people are gonna hammer him so hard lol

MJNetsIsles
08-22-2017, 06:26 PM
And here we go!

Htownballa1622
08-22-2017, 06:27 PM
"We were close to making a deal but it turned out to be too much."- Ainge probably :laugh2:

Pull the trigger Danny!

metswon69
08-22-2017, 06:28 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/900121788876824576

Vee-Rex
08-22-2017, 06:31 PM
Thing is, for the money to work, Cavs will have to take back 2 more players (one of which is guaranteed to be a Tatum or Brown). Or, the Cavs would have to absorb Horford's contract, but I strongly doubt that would happen.

They'd have to offer more in addition to Kyrie and then they'd be giving up multiple players for guys who aren't young, which is the complete opposite of what they have expressed wanting to do.

Believe it or not, the only way this gets done money-wise is if the Cavs receive IT + Tatum OR Brown, + Smart OR Crowder, or something in that vicinity.

Vinsanity115
08-22-2017, 06:32 PM
Wut.

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Vinsanity115
08-22-2017, 06:32 PM
Celtics should definitely stand pat with what they have

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WaDe03
08-22-2017, 06:34 PM
Very much overrate. No way is he worth all that.

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900121788876824576

I guess I don't overrate him.

mngopher35
08-22-2017, 06:36 PM
Thing is, for the money to work, Cavs will have to take back 2 more players (one of which is guaranteed to be a Tatum or Brown). Or, the Cavs would have to absorb Horford's contract, but I strongly doubt that would happen.

They'd have to offer more in addition to Kyrie and then they'd be giving up multiple players for guys who aren't young, which is the complete opposite of what they have expressed wanting to do.

Believe it or not, the only way this gets done money-wise is if the Cavs receive IT + Tatum OR Brown, + Smart OR Crowder, or something in that vicinity.

So would IT/Smart/Crowder package work?

I just am not sure they add one of those young guys if they can prevent it...

Vee-Rex
08-22-2017, 06:37 PM
I just don't see how this works out with the money and everything, and not to mention that Ainge will likely want a haul in return for IT. He'd want Irving + LeBron + Love.

I think it's a ploy from the Cavs to try to get Phoenix to swoop back in and offer Josh Jackson.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 06:38 PM
I brought this up earlier this year and a lot of people doubted it made sense.

This completely makes sense for both sides and would make an ECF ShowDown must watch TV for the first time in years. This move makes huge $$$$$$ for the NBA.

Kyrie on the Celtics gives him his own team and would grow nicely with Tatum. The Tics would set up themselves nicely for the future here.

IT coming in but can you get a contract done before the trade? There would be another piece included with IT or do you bring in a 3rd team. Which I think is highly likely.

DanG
08-22-2017, 06:39 PM
It's a nobrainer for the Celtics. You do not want to resign IT this summer, especially with his hip problem.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 06:39 PM
I can see this one actually happening.

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 06:42 PM
I just don't see how this works out with the money and everything, and not to mention that Ainge will likely want a haul in return for IT. He'd want Irving + LeBron + Love.

I think it's a ploy from the Cavs to try to get Phoenix to swoop back in and offer Josh Jackson.

IT Crowder and picks is what's being discussed, that works money wise doesn't it?

Vee-Rex
08-22-2017, 06:43 PM
So would IT/Smart/Crowder package work?

I just am not sure they add one of those young guys if they can prevent it...

That might work. Actually, here's a tweet that shows that Crowder + IT would be enough.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/900123257776504834

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 06:48 PM
Zizic also going to the Cavs. They need depth at C so that's good too.

homie564
08-22-2017, 06:48 PM
Ante Zizic expected to be involved per Woj... there's the money filler


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hugepatsfan
08-22-2017, 06:49 PM
Celtics have to include a small contract with IT/Crowder. Rumors say Zizic, a 1st round center coming over this year from Europe. Kyrie would have to waive his trade kicker though.

I feel like if Brown or Tatum were involved they'd be among the first names reported but I can't see CLE doing a deal without one.

Cal827
08-22-2017, 06:50 PM
So what's the possible full deal? If Boston parts with an unprotected/barely protected pick or Tatum/Brown, then Danny Ainge may not be as smart as everyone has given him credit for :laugh2:

Vee-Rex
08-22-2017, 06:50 PM
Celtics have to include a small contract with IT/Crowder. Rumors say Zizic, a 1st round center coming over this year from Europe. Kyrie would have to waive his trade kicker though.

I feel like if Brown or Tatum were involved they'd be among the first names reported but I can't see CLE doing a deal without one.

If there's no Brown or Tatum then it might be a Lakers pick included. So the final deal could look something like:

IT/Crowder/Zizic + 1st round for Kyrie.

I WOULDN'T BE MAD AT THAT

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 06:53 PM
And they said I overrate him!!!

aman_13
08-22-2017, 06:53 PM
Is this not one of the best off seasons ever?

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 06:54 PM
Is this not one of the best off seasons ever?

It easily is! SO much movement and it's still not done.

Cal827
08-22-2017, 06:55 PM
If there's no Brown or Tatum then it might be a Lakers pick included. So the final deal could look something like:

IT/Crowder/Zizic + 1st round for Kyrie.

I WOULDN'T BE MAD AT THAT

.... :laugh2: Wow, did Ainge touch the crack pipe this morning?

Thomas and Irving are basically washes at PG.... even if you rate Irving a little higher, you're going to give up probably the only chance you have at stopping Lebron in Crowder AND LA's first next year?! Man I hope Brown/Tatum are the real thing because otherwise Irving could also say bye in a couple years.

Cleveland Side, this is a fantastic trade for them. Crowder is a good inexpensive contract; even if Lebron Goes, they could just move him in at SF (or trade him) . Thomas is very good too, there won't be much of a drop off at PG if any... and Now if Lebron goes, they probably can get a good player with LA's pick and build around him. If he stays, this ****s the East for years to come :laugh2:

MJNetsIsles
08-22-2017, 06:57 PM
If there's no Brown or Tatum then it might be a Lakers pick included. So the final deal could look something like:

IT/Crowder/Zizic + 1st round for Kyrie.

I WOULDN'T BE MAD AT THAT

That's a solid return

aman_13
08-22-2017, 06:57 PM
Well the Cavs have no chance at a chip now.

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 06:59 PM
Well the Cavs have no chance at a chip now.

Why do you say this? I think is a win win on both sides of this deal.

nysportsfan23
08-22-2017, 06:59 PM
Crowders redundant considering the Celtics roster. So the trade is basically zizic + a first to upgrade from Thomas to kyrie. I guess he's younger and signed longer, but it's unclear how this helps Boston dramatically in the short term

warfelg
08-22-2017, 07:00 PM
The best 4th q scorer with the ultimate pass the buck in the 4th guy.

Nice.

I actually really like this. And with Crowder they get a young bench player.

nysportsfan23
08-22-2017, 07:00 PM
It's weird considering they're 1-2 in the east.

aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:01 PM
Why do you say this? I think is a win win on both sides of this deal.

IT can't defend. He's the worst defender in the NBA and will get exposed in the playoffs like he did last year. This is a downgrade for the Cavs imo.

Cal827
08-22-2017, 07:04 PM
IT can't defend. He's the worst defender in the NBA and will get exposed in the playoffs like he did last year. This is a downgrade for the Cavs imo.

Kyrie Irving is really bad defensively too :laugh2: (Minus a few parts in the 2016 finals).

HandsOnTheWheel
08-22-2017, 07:07 PM
IT is one of the worst defenders in the league and is foolishly overrated. Oh and he's going to expect the super max as a pending FA next offseason. No thanx. Absolute steal for Boston if this goes thru.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:09 PM
I think this is a great move for the Cavs moreso than the Celtics. Some would take IT>Kyrie.

Crowder here is the one I like the most. Cavs know they need him against the Warriors. He'll fit right in with LeBron.

Issue is IT is gone after a year so it's interesting to see how they want to play this.. I still think Boston are stupid for doing this. You just lost Bradley and you will lose Crowder+IT so you can get Hayward+Kyrie? Not worth it.

PAOboston
08-22-2017, 07:09 PM
Don't think the Cavs are getting one of the BRK or LAL picks from Cs. Would think the deal would be done if that was the case.

Likely IT/Crowder/Zizic/Memphis 19 1st rounder. Don't think it's a bad deal for CLE but they still have to give IT money for extension otherwise this deal is robbery for C's

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NYKnickFanatic
08-22-2017, 07:11 PM
Cavs better be getting back that Nets pick.

DanG
08-22-2017, 07:12 PM
IT can't defend. He's the worst defender in the NBA and will get exposed in the playoffs like he did last year. This is a downgrade for the Cavs imo.

Exactly.

You'd have a Smith-IT backcourt to put up against Curry-Thompson.

GiantsSwaGG
08-22-2017, 07:13 PM
Lol the Cavs got Irving without giving up Tatum or Brown. Congrats Angie

GiantsSwaGG
08-22-2017, 07:14 PM
Exactly.

You'd have a Smith-IT backcourt to put up against Curry-Thompson.

Irving is worst. So that's not saying much.

homie564
08-22-2017, 07:16 PM
I've never seen a more polarizing trade lol. So many people thinking it's a potential heist either way lol. I personally think this would be an epic steal for Boston if they don't have to give up the Brooklyn pick.. but I'm a Celtics fan so I'm obviously biased


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KB24PG16
08-22-2017, 07:18 PM
cleveland should overrate him in a trade, they're not in an indiana situation kyrie still under contract. if boston strikes out definitely makes you wonder where IT's head will be at during the upcoming season and then having to decide whether to resign, especially if boston isn't offering the max. risky move for the c's engaging in talks. cavs looking good so far

aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:18 PM
Kyrie Irving is really bad defensively too :laugh2: (Minus a few parts in the 2016 finals).

Yeah but Irving isn't the smallest pg in the league.

Teams will try to constantly switch on him.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:19 PM
Cavs want Tatum.. I say forget about Tatum if you can't get him. I like Brown A LOT.

homie564
08-22-2017, 07:19 PM
Irving is worst. So that's not saying much.

Irving isn't worse, they are at worst a wash. He's at least got a size advantage that Isaiah will never have


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aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:20 PM
Cavs better get Brown or Tatum out of this.

warfelg
08-22-2017, 07:20 PM
https://twitter.com/windhorstespn/status/900135004868665349

bucketss
08-22-2017, 07:20 PM
cavs fleece celtics if this goes down.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:21 PM
Hey guys, don't forget: Cavs have Derrick Rose already. Interesting to see how this works out...

warfelg
08-22-2017, 07:21 PM
Crap hit send too soon.

Boston out: IT/Crowder/Zizic/Nets pick
Cleveland out: Irving

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:22 PM
Holy **** the Cavs got a steal! It looks like Ainge overrated Kyrie a lot more than I did!

Jets012
08-22-2017, 07:22 PM
Nets pick is massive. Good job by Cleveland.

PAOboston
08-22-2017, 07:22 PM
Don't like it for Cs

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AllBall
08-22-2017, 07:24 PM
http://i.imgur.com/NnoGhN1.gif

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:24 PM
Cavs got away with murder. Slice it any way you want, C's got robbed here. This is why Danny made a huge mistake. Could've gotten PG or Butler. Stuck with Kyrie..

Rivera
08-22-2017, 07:24 PM
I always thought this made sense for both teams, keeps Cleveland competing, Boston gets a star. It really hinges on which pick and the protections on the pick before I say who wins.

Initial thought, Boston is winning this trade, Crowder is expendable with Brown/Hayward/Tatum and as much as I love IT hes a bigger liability on D than Kyrie plus IT needs the ball to be effective. I wonder how effective he will be with Bron being the primary ball handler.

One small thing. Look at what Stevens did with IT. He took him to basically super stardom from being a 6th man. Just imagine with how many picks hes going to give Kyire how good and efficient Kyire can be.

cssdmark
08-22-2017, 07:24 PM
Boston should pull the trigger with IT saying Boston needs to bring the brinks truck. They say IT, Crowder, Antec but what else? Cleveland wants Tatum. If Danny pulls this off without giving up Tatum or Brown I have to bow down.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:25 PM
GUYS, trade is OFFICIAL.

Kyrie for IT/Crowder/Z/Pick

KB24PG16
08-22-2017, 07:25 PM
ainge passed on all of those deals earlier in the offseason and is gonna take this one? lmaooooooooooooo

DanG
08-22-2017, 07:25 PM
Isiah being overrated, he's a 5'9 player coming off a hip surgery who's main strength is his explosiveness. As much as I like him any team who has to give him the max will be making a mistake.

warfelg
08-22-2017, 07:25 PM
https://twitter.com/amicohoops/status/900136191529553920

Deal done.

HandsOnTheWheel
08-22-2017, 07:27 PM
Lol talk about a major storyline emerging. How crazy it would be if Kyrie's Celtics beat out James' Cavs for a spot in the Finals :)

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:27 PM
Holy **** the Cavs raped the Celtics now. That BKN pick killed it for them.

Cleveland should move that pick for another star.

KB24PG16
08-22-2017, 07:27 PM
boston fans were really high on their assets, losing their biggest asset in that brooklyn pick must hurt

AllBall
08-22-2017, 07:27 PM
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FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:27 PM
Isiah being overrated, he's a 5'9 player coming off a hip surgery who's main strength is his explosiveness. As much as I like him any team who has to give him the max will be making a mistake.

I don't think he got hip surgery. It was considered but ultimately they didn't need it.

Balltime
08-22-2017, 07:27 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn

Sources: Boston, Cleveland on trade call now with league office. Deal is done.


come home Lebron, come home

aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:27 PM
So they got the Nets pick??

aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:28 PM
Good for you Cleveland!

warfelg
08-22-2017, 07:29 PM
Ainge held on to all those assets and gave up the biggest package for the worst star traded in the past year.

And some Boston fans wonder why people chuckle at Ainge.

5ass
08-22-2017, 07:29 PM
wow. Bad trade for the Cavs.

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 07:29 PM
Sucks to give up the Nets pick but getting Kyrie is unreal. Crazy trade.

KB24PG16
08-22-2017, 07:29 PM
wonder how lebron feels, it was said that he wasnt going to involve himself in front office decisions

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:29 PM
Lol talk about a major storyline emerging. How crazy it would be if Kyrie's Celtics beat out James' Cavs for a spot in the Finals :)

Cavs wouldn't have traded Kyrie to an East team unless they know they can beat them. I think C's got worse.. Big time.

Holy **** the Cavs raped the Celtics now. That BKN pick killed it for them.

Cleveland should move that pick for another star.

Yeah. Looking back at the Celtics offseason, it could have been played beautifully but now, it's looking meh.. They gave up Bradley+Crowder+IT+Brooklyn pick for Hayward+Irving, right? Like, why didn't they offer this for Butler...? Just really bad decisions made.

Balltime
08-22-2017, 07:30 PM
Celtics should be favor to the finals now

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:30 PM
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HandsOnTheWheel
08-22-2017, 07:31 PM
Isiah being overrated, he's a 5'9 player coming off a hip surgery who's main strength is his explosiveness. As much as I like him any team who has to give him the max will be making a mistake.

Total black hole defensively too. If Cavs thought their defense was bad before, they ain't seen nothin' yet.

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:31 PM
Lmfao... Id rather have Kyrie over IT any day of the week and twice on sunday... Holy **** what are the cavs doing... Their issue is defense and they go out and get the worst defender in basketball.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:31 PM
Lmfao... Id rather have Kyrie over IT any day of the week and twice on sunday... Holy **** what are the cavs doing... Their issue is defense and they go out and get the worst defender in basketball.

Long term, dude. They got Crowder on an insanely good contract. Crowder plays very good defense and will be needed to guard KD.

warfelg
08-22-2017, 07:31 PM
Lmfao... Id rather have Kyrie over IT any day of the week and twice on sunday... Holy **** what are the cavs doing... Their issue is defense and they go out and get the worst defender in basketball.

They also got one of the best wing defenders too in Crowder.

KB24PG16
08-22-2017, 07:31 PM
Celtics should be favor to the finals now

:laugh2:

im not a bron fan but I'm sure he'll make it his mission to annihilate irving and the c's in the ecf

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:31 PM
Cavs wouldn't have traded Kyrie to an East team unless they know they can beat them. I think C's got worse.. Big time.


Yeah. Looking back at the Celtics offseason, it could have been played beautifully but now, it's looking meh.. They gave up Bradley+Crowder+IT+Brooklyn pick for Hayward+Irving, right? Like, why didn't they offer this for Butler...? Just really bad decisions made.

I guarantee they could have got Kyrie AND Butler if they would've given up the assets.

Vee-Rex
08-22-2017, 07:32 PM
IT + Crowder + Zizic + Nets pick!

WOOO HOOO!

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:32 PM
wait what... i thought it was just kyrie for IT? Lol did the celtics really give up IT/Crowder and the nets pick? gtfo

AllBall
08-22-2017, 07:32 PM
Cavs are tanking, Lebron should waive his NTC and GTFO, lol

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:32 PM
IT + Crowder + Zizic + Nets pick!

WOOO HOOO!

holy ****ing **** ainge got raped.

homie564
08-22-2017, 07:32 PM
:laugh2:

im not a bron fan but I'm sure he'll make it his mission to annihilate irving and the c's in the ecf

Amazing television.

Kyrie vs Lebron
IT vs Boston
Hayward vs Crowder


Awesome... great trade for basketball


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More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:32 PM
They also got one of the best wing defenders too in Crowder.

yea this is nuts.

5ass
08-22-2017, 07:33 PM
IT + Crowder + Zizic + Nets pick!

WOOO HOOO!

i didnt know they got the nets pick. this is a great trade for cleveland

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 07:33 PM
Ainge held on to all those assets and gave up the biggest package for the worst star traded in the past year.

And some Boston fans wonder why people chuckle at Ainge.

LOL. People say IT isn't good because he's a one way player and that the Nets got way better, but as soon as Ainge moves the assets they trash him. PSD! :laugh2:

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:33 PM
IT + Crowder + Zizic + Nets pick!

WOOO HOOO!

Do you want to keep that pick or package it for an all star?

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:33 PM
Long term, dude. They got Crowder on an insanely good contract. Crowder plays very good defense and will be needed to guard KD.

oh no i was wrong. I thought it was IT for Kyrie plus a filler... Its basically the moon for kyrie... a 1 way player much like IT who cant win without a star.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:33 PM
wait what... i thought it was just kyrie for IT? Lol did the celtics really give up IT/Crowder and the nets pick? gtfo

Yeah, bro... this was a robbery. Celtics better hope it was a dream cause they are screwed.

warfelg
08-22-2017, 07:33 PM
That Nets pick gives the Cavs so much freaking future flexibility.

Bron and IT stay? Add it to a guy like TT and someone else for a star. They walk? You got a great pick and cleared cap.

Balltime
08-22-2017, 07:34 PM
Lakers vs Celtics in the finals 2019

Lebron vs Kyrie ! wow!

Jets012
08-22-2017, 07:34 PM
I mean Boston got rid of the worst defensive point guard (honestly player) in basketball but they literally are getting back arguably the 2nd worst defensive point guard in the game right now up there with Rose/Russell.

aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:34 PM
I'll take Irving over Thomas any day. Not sure how the Celtics downgraded here.

Both point guards have the same flaws but Irving is more dynamic offensively. The Cavs however got the worst defender in the game by a mile.

Of course they will miss Crowder though. Their perimeter defense has taken a big hit.

AllBall
08-22-2017, 07:34 PM
Celtics should be favor to the finals now

If Vegas is stupid enough not to have the Celtics as the favorites in the East I'm going to make a mean wager, lol

PAOboston
08-22-2017, 07:34 PM
Time will tell on this deal. Depends on where the BRK pick lands and if IT gets a max deal. Crowder was expandable for the Cs so he doesn't really hurt as much losing him. Zizic is a young guy with role player potential but zero NBA experience.

Sucks losing IT though. Guy really represented Boston well.

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BoSox47
08-22-2017, 07:34 PM
boston fans were really high on their assets, losing their biggest asset in that brooklyn pick must hurt

Have to give to get. Celtics still have Lakers pick if its 2-5 next year. As long as Lakers dont land the #1 pick the celtics should have a good chance of capitalizing on that pick. West is too strong for them to do well.

Celtics still have:

LAL '18 or SAC '19 pick
Own '18
Memphis '19 (top 8 protected) protection drops each year if not conveyed
Clippers '19 (top 14 protected)
Own '19

Plenty of picks still, with an already packed roster. I wouldnt be surprised to see them package a few picks together in future drafts to try and acquire better talent because theres not much room on the roster.

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:35 PM
So serious question.....if it were just IT for Irving how much worse do the Cavs get?

Balltime
08-22-2017, 07:35 PM
Irving is a big time player. He is the reason why the Cavs have that ring, the shot of the century game 7

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:35 PM
LOL. People say IT isn't good because he's a one way player and then Nets got way better, but as soon as Ainge moves the assets they trash him. PSD! :laugh2:

you are always talking about your assets and keeping them but are alright with giving up a kings ransom for kyrie? a guy who is better defensively but not as good offensively? I will wait to see how you respond but I assume you will just cover your *** as usual. If it was IT and filler for kyrie you do it...he just gave up a package that could have gotten you jimmy ****ing butler or PG13 who are much better 2 way players.

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:35 PM
I mean Boston got rid of the worst defensive point guard (honestly player) in basketball but they literally are getting back arguably the 2nd worst defensive point guard in the game right now up there with Rose/Russell.

yup.

hugepatsfan
08-22-2017, 07:36 PM
They also got one of the best wing defenders too in Crowder.

Crowder is not one of the best wing defenders. Good, not great. Overrated because people lump him in with Smart/Bradley who were truly great defenders. Crowder is not at that level. But a great value of course.

Vee-Rex
08-22-2017, 07:36 PM
Do you want to keep that pick or package it for an all star?

I wanna keep it if LeBron doesn't commit.

If he commits, then I see what I can get for it.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:37 PM
I feel some of you are way overboard with the defense. Yes, IT sucks at defense but Kyrie was giving up points to the Warriors anyways. What's the point? You got Crowder back. IT+Crowder > Kyrie any day against the Warriors. I like this for the Cavs. hate it for the C's. Why couldn't they have done this back then for better players? Seriously? Kyrie? Have fun with your rookies developing with Kyrie there..

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:37 PM
Have to give to get. Celtics still have Lakers pick if its 2-5 next year. As long as Lakers dont land the #1 pick the celtics should have a good chance of capitalizing on that pick. West is too strong for them to do well.

Celtics still have:

LAL '18 or SAC '19 pick
Own '18
Memphis '19 (top 8 protected) protection drops each year if not conveyed
Clippers '19 (top 14 protected)
Own '19

Plenty of picks still, with an already packed roster. I wouldnt be surprised to see them package a few picks together in future drafts to try and acquire better talent because theres not much room on the roster.

lol you could have gotten butler who is signed down and a much better player for less while probably ****ing keeping IT lol

Rivera
08-22-2017, 07:37 PM
Ainge held on to all those assets and gave up the biggest package for the worst star traded in the past year.

And some Boston fans wonder why people chuckle at Ainge.

to be 100% fair here (and I know my avi is redsox im an orlando magic fan check my psd profile)

If we are talking about PG13/Jimmy and Kyrie

PG13 wouldnt guarntee resigning. Hard to give up the same exact deal for a 1 year rental that wont guarntee a long term deal

Jimmy - The Bulls LOVE Kris Dunn. Who cares what me and you think about him, Chicago was high on him last years draft and still had the same love for him. 2 Young gunz in Lavine and Dunn to help the rebuild. IT and Crowder doesnt help the rebuild, yes the BKLN does but not the other 2 which probably was a deal breaker for chicago

just looking at it logically

Balltime
08-22-2017, 07:38 PM
Thomas is a ball dominant player. He isn't as good as Kyrie. His offense is going to take a hit, not running the offense.

HandsOnTheWheel
08-22-2017, 07:38 PM
Nets pick is not a guarantee by any stretch. People act like its a guaranteed #1 pick.

On a different note, the Nets pick confirms Lebrons gone.

Cal827
08-22-2017, 07:38 PM
:laugh2: ARE YOU KIDDING ME BOSTON?

They trade away a guy who's about as good as Irving in Thomas, a very underrated 3/D Player in Crowder, a prospect in Zizinc.....AND THE UNPROTECTED NETS Pick, for this generation's version of Stephon Marbury?! After withholding those picks on guys that could've given them a big 3 (Thomas/Hayward/George or Butler)... I mean I can kinda understand George since he's a UFA after this year, but you would've had a few more years with Butler :laugh2:

Hopefully for you guys Irving doesn't ***** and leave after his contract's up, which he probably will at least test Free Agency. Looks like the Wizards might be the next team to step up against the Cavs on their finals walk. Hell, the Raptors might win the Atlantic again with this move :laugh2:

For the Cavs GM (Lebron), he automatically should get GM of the year for pulling this one off :laugh2:... The team is now in a decent position, whether or not Thomas/James stay after next season or not... They'll be contenders, or have to rebuild, getting a top pick next year and can see how the international PF does.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:38 PM
Crowder is not one of the best wing defenders. Good, not great. Overrated because people lump him in with Smart/Bradley who were truly great defenders. Crowder is not at that level. But a great value of course.

Crowder's value is the winner here. Dude is worth $24 million for three years. He's a damn good shooter and instantly becomes the Cavs top two defender. This is a great deal.

aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:39 PM
Ainge might have given LeBron a reason to stay with that Nets pick. A lot to process here. I don't know who won this trade at the moment but from a pg swap perspective, I'll take Irving.

The Celtics downgraded defensively this off season. The Cavs didn't get the best player but got a nice 3 and D wing along with the Nets pick that they could flip to get another major piece.

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:39 PM
Someone tell me how... Kyrie is more or of equal value to IT/Crowder/Nets lottery pick when he is a 1 way player like IT with less offensive upside but a better defender..... And the cavs were shopping kyrie.

THIS COULD HAVE GOTTEN YOU BUTLER OR PG13 OR HELL MAYBE BOTH lol

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 07:39 PM
you are always talking about your assets and keeping them but are alright with giving up a kings ransom for kyrie? a guy who is better defensively but not as good offensively? I will wait to see how you respond but I assume you will just cover your *** as usual. If it was IT and filler for kyrie you do it...he just gave up a package that could have gotten you jimmy ****ing butler or PG13 who are much better 2 way players.

You're the main IT hater so you responding like this is as laughable as anything I've read.

We've been hearing all off-season the Nets got better. Crowder is a good role player. His biggest value is his contract. Zizic is a wild card. Irving is more valuable than Thomas. To get value you need to trade value.

Side note, you were supposed to leave PSD when the Patriots came back in the Super Bowl. Your words mean nothing.

Balltime
08-22-2017, 07:40 PM
LOL @ people thinking Thomas is going to fit with Lebron like a glove

Heediot
08-22-2017, 07:40 PM
Ainge got fleeced. BK pick is too much. If it's a protected pick, then its ok. Top 4 in this draft is massive.

KB24PG16
08-22-2017, 07:40 PM
lol you could have gotten butler who is signed down and a much better player for less while probably ****ing keeping IT lol

:nod:

they lost a ton of depth and a top pick for hayward and irving, ainge probably better off trusting the process

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:40 PM
Cavs ran away with robbery.. Look at how they tried to get Jayston or Brown but after it was obvious Celtics weren't offering that, they took the pick instead and did not delay it. Ainge got pressured to make some moves and ultimately made a bad one. If you guys KEPT your roster, you could have watched the Cavs implode by next season. Instead, you gave the Cavs ammunition to shoot your booty down for future years..

j-bay
08-22-2017, 07:40 PM
This is bad for Celtics at least in a Wizards pov. Wall owns Kyrie. Thats the team you are facig long term should have kept Thomas.

Rivera
08-22-2017, 07:41 PM
is the BKLN no restrictions?

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:41 PM
I wanna keep it if LeBron doesn't commit.

If he commits, then I see what I can get for it.

Good point, LeBron has to be thinking hard now. You have a piece now where you could literally package Shumpert Frye and that pick for an all star and build a big 4 AND you all are the favorites to land Wade after his buyout.

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:41 PM
is the BKLN no restrictions?

Yes it's unprotected

Heediot
08-22-2017, 07:41 PM
Cavs have flexibility moving forward too with some assets they just got.

warfelg
08-22-2017, 07:41 PM
Crowder's value is the winner here. Dude is worth $24 million for three years. He's a damn good shooter and instantly becomes the Cavs top two defender. This is a great deal.

It's funny to me how we had to hear for 3 years how good Crowder is, and now he's overrated.

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:41 PM
You're the main IT hater so you responding like this is as laughable as anything I've read.

We've been hearing all off-season the Nets got better. Crowder is a good role player. His biggest value is his contract. Zizic is a wild card. Irving is more valuable than Thomas. To get value you need to trade value.

Side note, you were supposed to leave PSD when the Patriots came back in the Super Bowl. Your words mean nothing.

um i hate IT... I also hate Kyrie... you can ask the **** around... Kyrie is overrated as **** because of how bad at defense he is... He is literally a worse offensive version of IT with slightly better defense... I have been saying this **** forever. You want proof? This is a ****ing stupid trade.

homie564
08-22-2017, 07:42 PM
Guys... I don't love this trade for Boston... but stop ****ing overrating Jae Crowder... people say so often that he's "underrated" and it's way opposite... overrated player who really should be a depth player


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kobebabe
08-22-2017, 07:42 PM
The fact that C's gave up Nets pick is where they lost the deal at. So basically They got raped. KI IS NOT an upgrade over IT. He can't win being the main Guy. Well so could IT. But to give up crowder and A PICK that might as well be a top pick since Nets will suck once again????

Rivera
08-22-2017, 07:43 PM
Ainge held on to all those assets and gave up the biggest package for the worst star traded in the past year.

And some Boston fans wonder why people chuckle at Ainge.


Someone tell me how... Kyrie is more or of equal value to IT/Crowder/Nets lottery pick when he is a 1 way player like IT with less offensive upside but a better defender..... And the cavs were shopping kyrie.

THIS COULD HAVE GOTTEN YOU BUTLER OR PG13 OR HELL MAYBE BOTH lol

if they were on the same team....maybe, but see my previous post



to be 100% fair here (and I know my avi is redsox im an orlando magic fan check my psd profile)

If we are talking about PG13/Jimmy and Kyrie

PG13 wouldnt guarntee resigning. Hard to give up the same exact deal for a 1 year rental that wont guarntee a long term deal. the potential of him leaving is to great and you would get fleeced even worse if you got 1 year of PG for that package

Jimmy - The Bulls LOVE Kris Dunn. Who cares what me and you think about him, Chicago was high on him last years draft and still had the same love for him. 2 Young gunz in Lavine and Dunn to help the rebuild. IT and Crowder doesnt help the rebuild, yes the BKLN does but not the other 2 which probably was a deal breaker for chicago

just looking at it logically

HandsOnTheWheel
08-22-2017, 07:43 PM
Ainge might have given LeBron a reason to stay with that Nets pick. A lot to process here. I don't know who won this trade at the moment but from a pg swap perspective, I'll take Irving.

The Celtics downgraded defensively this off season. The Cavs didn't get the best player but got a nice 3 and D wing along with the Nets pick that they could flip to get another major piece.

A reason to stay? Lmao he's gone dude.

Cal827
08-22-2017, 07:43 PM
Someone tell me how... Kyrie is more or of equal value to IT/Crowder/Nets lottery pick when he is a 1 way player like IT with less offensive upside but a better defender..... And the cavs were shopping kyrie.

THIS COULD HAVE GOTTEN YOU BUTLER OR PG13 OR HELL MAYBE BOTH lol

:laugh2: IT and irving had the same defensive rating this season

j-bay
08-22-2017, 07:43 PM
Lakers vs Celtics in the finals 2019

Lebron vs Kyrie ! wow!

Probably Wizards Warriors. Espically if the Zards get Cousins.

AllBall
08-22-2017, 07:43 PM
Well, if you think Kyrie and/or Thomas is/are frauds, we will now get to see if this is true.

lol, leauge is turning into NBA2K

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:laugh2:

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:43 PM
Guys... I don't love this trade for Boston... but stop ****ing overrating Jae Crowder... people say so often that he's "underrated" and it's way opposite... overrated player who really should be a depth player


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He's worth $8 million per year. Whoever is overrating him is doing so based on value. That's an exceptional value. Crowder could easily fetch around DOUBLE that in today's market. Plus, he's a good enough shooter/defender to stay on the court for 30+ minutes per game.

aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:43 PM
Cavs ran away with robbery.. Look at how they tried to get Jayston or Brown but after it was obvious Celtics weren't offering that, they took the pick instead and did not delay it. Ainge got pressured to make some moves and ultimately made a bad one. If you guys KEPT your roster, you could have watched the Cavs implode by next season. Instead, you gave the Cavs ammunition to shoot your booty down for future years..

Yeah I was with the Celtics until they gave up the pick.

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:43 PM
Guys... I don't love this trade for Boston... but stop ****ing overrating Jae Crowder... people say so often that he's "underrated" and it's way opposite... overrated player who really should be a depth player


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That is what he is, a great role player. Name a better role player at 8M in the NBA in this day of inflated cap space. I'm sure you may be able to find someone but there won't be many.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:43 PM
Called it! Don't toot my horn as much anymore since ya know, no one likes a showboat but a lot doubted this a few month ago.


Great trade for both sides.

Cannot wait to see them showdown in ECF.

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:44 PM
not kidding the cavs put themselves in a perfect situation... If bron walks you trade IT for a ransom... quick rebuild.

Heediot
08-22-2017, 07:44 PM
Melo probably told the knicks he is down for a trade to Cleveland lolol.

Cavs have flexibility of trading TT and or Love now. The BK is a juicy sweetner.

5ass
08-22-2017, 07:45 PM
if they were on the same team....maybe, but see my previous post



to be 100% fair here (and I know my avi is redsox im an orlando magic fan check my psd profile)

If we are talking about PG13/Jimmy and Kyrie

PG13 wouldnt guarntee resigning. Hard to give up the same exact deal for a 1 year rental that wont guarntee a long term deal. the potential of him leaving is to great and you would get fleeced even worse if you got 1 year of PG for that package

Jimmy - The Bulls LOVE Kris Dunn. Who cares what me and you think about him, Chicago was high on him last years draft and still had the same love for him. 2 Young gunz in Lavine and Dunn to help the rebuild. IT and Crowder doesnt help the rebuild, yes the BKLN does but not the other 2 which probably was a deal breaker for chicago

just looking at it logically

ill take the bkn pick alone over Dunn, Lavine, and Markannen... Quality>Quantity

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:45 PM
not kidding the cavs put themselves in a perfect situation... If bron walks you trade IT for a ransom... quick rebuild.

Uhhh, IT is on his final year.

Balltime
08-22-2017, 07:45 PM
Irving will elevate the Celtics to a higher level. The guy is a beast in big game playoffs

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 07:45 PM
I expect nothing less from PSD. Completely change your stance on players/assets depending on the team they're on.

1. The Celtics weren't giving IT the max. If they did, it wouldn't be a good move. He's an elite offensive player but bad on defense. Kyrie is 25, almost as good on offense and a good amount better on defense. He's the better player.

2. Jae Crowder is a good role player. His value is in his contract. He's not special. Has anyone ever tried to watch him create his own shot? He can't. He's a very good shooter and good defender. He has value.

3. The Nets got better. Even Celtics fans have been predicting them to fall in the 7-10 range. Check our forum.

4. Irving > Thomas. A good role player, good pick, and wild card prospect makes up the difference.

5. Lol, psd.

PAOboston
08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
not kidding the cavs put themselves in a perfect situation... If bron walks you trade IT for a ransom... quick rebuild.Has an expiring deal. They need to pay him max or he's gone.

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aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
A reason to stay? Lmao he's gone dude.

If they can flip that pick and get another star, that might entice him to stay.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
I would be so happy if I was a Tic fan, great move and you lock up with Kyrie other than IT.


Cavs, give themselves a great future with the top pick next year, I see them max money to IT when Lebron walks. But if the Cavs can get Wade? Melo? Maybe not walking.

Cal827
08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
This is bad for Celtics at least in a Wizards pov. Wall owns Kyrie. Thats the team you are facig long term should have kept Thomas.


To be fair, Wall owns every PG in the East except Lowry... well until playoff time :laugh2:

Heediot
08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
BK is protected, it must be, no way ainge is this dumb. LOLOL.

KB24PG16
08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
not kidding the cavs put themselves in a perfect situation... If bron walks you trade IT for a ransom... quick rebuild.

they'll be free agents at the same time

Jets012
08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
Jae Crowder is a damn good player. Fantastic #4 option. One of the better SFs in the league.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
And reports surfaced Wade may go to the Cavs per LeBron's camp... I'd say try and trade Kevin Love RIGHT now with that Brooklyn pick...

lamar2006
08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
welcome to the Lakers Lebron.

AllBall
08-22-2017, 07:47 PM
I just remembered the Cavs signed Derrick Rose and Jose Calderon. lmfao, this is Knicks bad.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:47 PM
Lakers vs Celtics in the finals 2019

Lebron vs Kyrie ! wow!

Wow! Great vision, definitely a possibility, if it happens, I will remember this.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:47 PM
Crowder would be a FOURTH option on the Cavs. Stop acting like he's their 2nd option.. get a grip, guys. He's worth $8 million. Look at the contracts getting handed out these days.

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:47 PM
In trying to think of moves for the Cavs to trade that pick, they need another all star.

PAOboston
08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
I wonder what kind of impact Stevens will have on Irving's game. His system made IT into an all NBA type player.

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GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
And reports surfaced Wade may go to the Cavs per LeBron's camp... I'd say try and trade Kevin Love RIGHT now with that Brooklyn pick...

Intriguing, for who?!? I don't think you trade that pick for just whatever. You can land a big fish.

Heediot
08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
I expect nothing less from PSD. Completely change your stance on players/assets depending on the team they're on.

1. The Celtics weren't giving IT the max. If they did, it wouldn't be a good move. He's an elite offensive player but bad on defense. Kyrie is 25, almost as good on offense and a good amount better on defense. He's the better player.

2. Jae Crowder is a good role player. His value is in his contract. He's not special. Has anyone ever tried to watch him create his own shot? He can't. He's a very good shooter and good defender. He has value.

3. The Nets got better. Even Celtics fans have been predicting them to fall in the 7-10 range. Check our forum.

4. Irving > Thomas. A good role player, good pick, and wild card prospect makes up the difference.

5. Lol, psd.

The local Boston homer comes in and defends his team. Ainge got fleeced, mirked, robbed, killed, or whatever u want to call it. IF the BK pick is top 4 protected Ill take it back.

KnicksorBust
08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
I don't hate it for Boston but not wild about it. Kyrie is an upgrade. Just seems like they would have been better using that pick in a deal to upgrade on the wing. I still think Jimmy Butler or Paul George in Boston would have put them over the top.

Great trade for Cleveland. Keeps them competitive now and that draft pick is huge for the future. Absolutely huge asset. Plus... is it possible they could even be better with IT and Crowder?

More-Than-Most
08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
I expect nothing less from PSD. Completely change your stance on players/assets depending on the team they're on.

1. The Celtics weren't giving IT the max. If they did, it wouldn't be a good move. He's an elite offensive player but bad on defense. Kyrie is 25, almost as good on offense and a good amount better on defense. He's the better player.

2. Jae Crowder is a good role player. His value is in his contract. He's not special. Has anyone ever tried to watch him create his own shot? He can't. He's a very good shooter and good defender. He has value.

3. The Nets got better. Even Celtics fans have been predicting them to fall in the 7-10 range. Check our forum.

4. Irving > Thomas. A good role player, good pick, and wild card prospect makes up the difference.

5. Lol, psd.

this is the same dude that said he wouldnt trade this this and this for a much better player than kyrie because of the options and depth and etc etc etc... now he is trying to call others out and safe face on this deal.

Also i said it was a great deal... when i thought it was IT and filler for kyrie. Kyrie is a lesser offensive version of kyrie but a slightly better defender

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
I wonder what kind of impact Stevens will have on Irving's game. His system made IT into an all NBA type player.

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#1, I think the mistake will be building around Kyrie and not focusing on Brown+Tatum. I think Hayward is the better player than Kyrie but Kyrie will need the ball and this guy.. let's just say, get ready for an insane amount of dribbling and not a lot of passing.

Cal827
08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
And reports surfaced Wade may go to the Cavs per LeBron's camp... I'd say try and trade Kevin Love RIGHT now with that Brooklyn pick...

Kevin Love and that Pick for Demarcus Cousins at the deadline

bklynny67
08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
Celts give up IT, Crowder, and a top 3 overall pick in another top heavy draft for a player who isn't that much better than IT alone..... Lol terrible trade for the Celts. I was really hoping the Cavs would get robbed but they did amazing with this deal.

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
um i hate IT... I also hate Kyrie... you can ask the **** around... Kyrie is overrated as **** because of how bad at defense he is... He is literally a worse offensive version of IT with slightly better defense... I have been saying this **** forever. You want proof? This is a ****ing stupid trade.

You're well known on this forum to have some of the worst takes. You're basically the Skip Bayless of PSD.

You saying a trade is terrible doesn't make it terrible. :laugh2:

aman_13
08-22-2017, 07:49 PM
Crowder is an okay player. Nothing special. Good defensively, but certainly not great. He should fit like a glove with the Cavs though.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:49 PM
I wonder what kind of impact Stevens will have on Irving's game. His system made IT into an all NBA type player.

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You guys got a great player with Irving. Awesome p/u and trade, you paid for him but you gotta pay for talent. Tatum/Irving is gonna be nasty for the next 8-10years.

Cubs420
08-22-2017, 07:49 PM
Im kind of a basketball ****** but it seems to me Cleveland won this trade.

I just dont think the Celtics are that much better with Kyrie...not better enough to give up that Nets pick.

Plus Kyrie is hurt alot. Riskyyy

5ass
08-22-2017, 07:49 PM
I expect nothing less from PSD. Completely change your stance on players/assets depending on the team they're on.

1. The Celtics weren't giving IT the max. If they did, it wouldn't be a good move. He's an elite offensive player but bad on defense. Kyrie is 25, almost as good on offense and a good amount better on defense. He's the better player.

2. Jae Crowder is a good role player. His value is in his contract. He's not special. Has anyone ever tried to watch him create his own shot? He can't. He's a very good shooter and good defender. He has value.

3. The Nets got better. Even Celtics fans have been predicting them to fall in the 7-10 range. Check our forum.

4. Irving > Thomas. A good role player, good pick, and wild card prospect makes up the difference.

5. Lol, psd.

The Nets are still trash. I disagree. I think theyre still a bottom 3 or 4 team.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:49 PM
Im kind of a basketball ****** but it seems to me Cleveland won this trade.

I just dont think the Celtics are that much better with Kyrie...not better enough to give up that Nets pick.

This is definitely a win-win.

Heediot
08-22-2017, 07:49 PM
I think Crowder and James start together in the front court. They are going to try to upgrade Love for a Legit two way big that can play the 4-5, 5 preferably as a starter.

DanG
08-22-2017, 07:49 PM
The most valuable asset the Cavs got is the Nets pick. Y'all seriously overrating Crowder and IT with his hip injury is still a question mark.

Long-term this trade is good for both teams though.

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 07:50 PM
The local Boston homer comes in and defends his team. Ainge got fleeced, mirked, robbed, killed, or whatever u want to call it. IF the BK pick is top 4 protected Ill take it back.

You guys say this every time Ainge makes a move and you're always wrong. You never learn.

j-bay
08-22-2017, 07:50 PM
It will be Wizards Cavs ECF. Celtics-Zards play again, Wizards win.

still1ballin
08-22-2017, 07:50 PM
October 17

Opening night

Cavs vs celtics

:drool:

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:50 PM
Cavs lineup:

PG: IT/Rose
SG: JR/Korver
SF: LeBron/Crowder
PF: Kevin Love/Jeff Green/RJ
C: TT/Frye

Cavs got better than they were last year and that's all that matters.

Cal827
08-22-2017, 07:50 PM
I expect nothing less from PSD. Completely change your stance on players/assets depending on the team they're on.

1. The Celtics weren't giving IT the max. If they did, it wouldn't be a good move. He's an elite offensive player but bad on defense. Kyrie is 25, almost as good on offense and a good amount better on defense. He's the better player.

2. Jae Crowder is a good role player. His value is in his contract. He's not special. Has anyone ever tried to watch him create his own shot? He can't. He's a very good shooter and good defender. He has value.

3. The Nets got better. Even Celtics fans have been predicting them to fall in the 7-10 range. Check our forum.

4. Irving > Thomas. A good role player, good pick, and wild card prospect makes up the difference.

5. Lol, psd.

Out of curiosity, what are the arguments for them being in that range?

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:50 PM
Did someone say Kyrie is almost as good on offense as IT? Lol wtf. Do you watch Basketball bro?

Balltime
08-22-2017, 07:51 PM
The most valuable asset the Cavs got is the Nets pick. Y'all seriously overrating Crowder and IT with his hip injury is still a question mark.

Long-term this trade is good for both teams though.

Finally a post with sense in this thread lol

homie564
08-22-2017, 07:51 PM
That is what he is, a great role player. Name a better role player at 8M in the NBA in this day of inflated cap space. I'm sure you may be able to find someone but there won't be many.

He's not a great role player though. He's an incredibly streaky shooter, and has a tendency to completely disappear. He's an absolute liability when he doesn't have it and continues to try and shoot too... he does that ALOT


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GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:51 PM
Cavs lineup:

PG: IT/Rose
SG: JR/Korver
SF: LeBron/Crowder
PF: Kevin Love/Jeff Green/RJ
C: TT/Frye

Cavs got better than they were last year and that's all that matters.
I think Crowder starts at SG.

Heediot
08-22-2017, 07:51 PM
lol 356 users 76 memebers browsing right now. psd is only hot when a blockbuster hits.

KB24PG16
08-22-2017, 07:52 PM
the trade will come down to the brooklyn pick, cleveland got the best offer they could get i think. boston probably not going to be finals favorites anytime soon unless tatum or brown develop big time

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 07:52 PM
this is the same dude that said he wouldnt trade this this and this for a much better player than kyrie because of the options and depth and etc etc etc... now he is trying to call others out and safe face on this deal.

Also i said it was a great deal... when i thought it was IT and filler for kyrie. Kyrie is a lesser offensive version of kyrie but a slightly better defender

Trading one young asset is fine. I didn't want to trade multiple top picks and young players (Brown+Tatum), and have a core that would get us nowhere.

IT + filler for Kyrie would be the worst trade of all-time. Kyrie has a good amount more value.

Why haven't you left PSD?

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:52 PM
And reports surfaced Wade may go to the Cavs per LeBron's camp... I'd say try and trade Kevin Love RIGHT now with that Brooklyn pick...

I would trade the pick too but who for?

Love and the pick for Melo and Kristaps?

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:52 PM
October 17

Opening night

Cavs vs celtics

:drool:

Must watch TV now. BIG money for the NBA.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:52 PM
Kevin Love and that Pick for Demarcus Cousins at the deadline

Bad trade for Cavs. I think kevin Love alone could fetch you D.C> at that point considering K.L is on a good contract/long-term. The pick is too valuable to give up for a three month player lol.

j-bay
08-22-2017, 07:52 PM
Kevin Love and that Pick for Demarcus Cousins at the deadline

If thats an attempt to get LeBron to stay, its a bad idea. He probably bolts for DC to join Wall

Heediot
08-22-2017, 07:52 PM
He's not a great role player though. He's an incredibly streaky shooter, and has a tendency to completely disappear. He's an absolute liability when he doesn't have it and continues to try and shoot too... he does that ALOT


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WTF. Crowder is one of the best role players in the nba. The other Boston homer comes in and defend his team!

D Blue987
08-22-2017, 07:52 PM
Boston...smh. Incredibly stupid deal. You can book the Nets in being bottom 5 next year so your basically giving up a great pick and your franchise player plus a decent defender in Crowder for a one way player in Kyrie (who is better than IT but not by much imo)? If the deal stands as has been reported, this is amazingly good for Cleveland and amazingly bad for Boston. Cle. basically gets another franchise player with that pick next year in the draft (that will feature guys like Bagley, Ayton, etc) and loads of cap space if Thomas and Lebron end up walking after this year. Time for Ainge to go the way of Old Yeller it seems.

LA4life24/8
08-22-2017, 07:53 PM
Yeaaah Boston gave up a huge haul for kyrie... if they didnt give up that brooklyn pick id say they won but that brooklyn pick is huge. They shoulda tried to toss em brown instead

HandsOnTheWheel
08-22-2017, 07:53 PM
If they can flip that pick and get another star, that might entice him to stay.

True but Lebron's surely not sticking around for a rebuild if they keep the pick.

Christ this opens up some possibilities for the Cavs tho wow.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:53 PM
I would trade the pick too but who for?

Love and the pick for Melo and Kristaps?

Wow lol. Lebron wouldn't leave that team, Melo, Porzingis, IT, Wade? Plus

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:53 PM
I think Crowder starts at SG.

You could be right but I don't think so. He would be a very good bench piece.

eDush
08-22-2017, 07:53 PM
You overrate KyrieVery much overrate. No way is he worth all that.

Sent from my SM-G935V using TapatalkOh yes he does! The C's just got an unstoppable scoring guard that no single player can guard one on one including Lebron and they won't have to pay IT the supermax which would be an overpay :nod:

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 07:53 PM
The Nets are still trash. I disagree. I think theyre still a bottom 3 or 4 team.

I had them closer to 5 after their off-season. Still bad.

After acquiring the Lakers pick I'm okay with this trade.

Brown and Tatum take some of Crowders minutes and can develop.

LA4life24/8
08-22-2017, 07:53 PM
Also at least kyrie didnt also go to the west

Heediot
08-22-2017, 07:53 PM
I think Crowder starts at SG.

Yeah I think he ends up starting too.

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 07:54 PM
Wow lol. Lebron wouldn't leave that team, Melo, Porzingis, IT, Wade? Plus

You think that gets the deal done?

tp13baby
08-22-2017, 07:54 PM
You're well known on this forum to have some of the worst takes. You're basically the Skip Bayless of PSD.

You saying a trade is terrible doesn't make it terrible. :laugh2:

This is the realist post I have seen on this site.

eDush
08-22-2017, 07:54 PM
I just don't see how this works out with the money and everything, and not to mention that Ainge will likely want a haul in return for IT. He'd want Irving + LeBron + Love.

I think it's a ploy from the Cavs to try to get Phoenix to swoop back in and offer Josh Jackson.Just cause Danny Boy can fleeced the Nets and Phx doesn't mean he can with any other smart teams like the Cavs!
:no:

PAOboston
08-22-2017, 07:55 PM
#1, I think the mistake will be building around Kyrie and not focusing on Brown+Tatum. I think Hayward is the better player than Kyrie but Kyrie will need the ball and this guy.. let's just say, get ready for an insane amount of dribbling and not a lot of passing.It's not really how the Cs system works. And I would think Irving would be slightly used to playing without the ball in his hands after playing with Lebron.

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FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:55 PM
I am calling it now: Without LeBron, don't be surprised if Kyrie gets injured. This guy was showing symptoms all season but no one reported it because LeBron kept creating drama. But watch out.. Kyrie's knees are a huge problem.

KingPosey
08-22-2017, 07:55 PM
What do you think the full offer is?

I would assume IT Crowder and either picks, the BKN pick, Brown, or Tatum for Kyrie and another guy or two.
You think Ainge refused to give up the brook pick for multiple better players to give up IT, Crowder, AND the pick for Kyrie? I'm not buying it, but we will see.

That shocks me that h finally moved that pick for Kyrie, after passing on the names he wouldn't move it for

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:55 PM
You think that gets the deal done?

I can see some more added like the Cavs 1st too but yea, and it would make the Cavs ridiculous lol

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 07:56 PM
Did someone say Kyrie is almost as good on offense as IT? Lol wtf. Do you watch Basketball bro?

Yes, pretty much everyone agrees with that statement.

With Isaiah's injury, height, and age being factors, Kyrie will soon catch up or pass him as well.

ewing
08-22-2017, 07:56 PM
I don't hate it for Boston but not wild about it. Kyrie is an upgrade. Just seems like they would have been better using that pick in a deal to upgrade on the wing. I still think Jimmy Butler or Paul George in Boston would have put them over the top.

Great trade for Cleveland. Keeps them competitive now and that draft pick is huge for the future. Absolutely huge asset. Plus... is it possible they could even be better with IT and Crowder?


How is he an upgrade? they can both flat score. IT has also shown he can run and offensive and push the ball on the break. He has shown he can be a #1 and despite PSD group think they were a top defensive team in the league with him leading the team 2 years ago so it's not like he kills your defense (sorry MTM). This is terrible trade for Boston.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:56 PM
I think it's VERY possible Cavs can get Melo/KP but it has to be during the midseason in which Knicks are really desperate to get rid of Melo. Upside is huge there for the Cavs.. It's all-talk but man, this Kyrie news was the one we've been waiting for the past month!

D Blue987
08-22-2017, 07:57 PM
Boston will regret this deal for years to come imho. They have tons of draft assets but none more important than that Nets pick for 2018 since that has a great chance at being a top 3 lottery pick a year from now in what will be a deep draft at the top...holy crap.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:57 PM
I am calling it now: Without LeBron, don't be surprised if Kyrie gets injured. This guy was showing symptoms all season but no one reported it because LeBron kept creating drama. But watch out.. Kyrie's knees are a huge problem.

Maybe true but I actually see the opposite. Kyrie is going to have a amazing career with the Celtics. Him and Tatum are the future for Bean Town.

eDush
08-22-2017, 07:58 PM
You're well known on this forum to have some of the worst takes. You're basically the Skip Bayless of PSD.

You saying a trade is terrible doesn't make it terrible. :laugh2:

This is the realist post I have seen on this site.Now we know what Skip Bayless handle name is on here which should be obvious with his huge size ago :nod:

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 07:58 PM
Boston will regret this deal for years to come imho. They have tons of draft assets but none more important than that Nets pick for 2018 since that has a great chance at being a top 3 lottery pick a year from now in what will be a deep draft at the top...holy crap.

I don't think they do my dude, I think this is a great move and a Win-Win trade. The ball is in Clevelands court now and I would look to deal Love+BKN pick for another great piece.

AllBall
08-22-2017, 07:58 PM
NBA is the new WWE, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-l6tHeseDY

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 07:58 PM
Maybe true but I actually see the opposite. Kyrie is going to have a amazing career with the Celtics. Him and Tatum are the future for Bean Town.

If Kyrie is your #1 option, your franchise won't win. Plain and simple. This guy isn't Kobe.. he doesn't play defense nor does he make his teammates better. He's a guy who wants to win scoring titles and that's who the Celtics will get.

KB24PG16
08-22-2017, 07:59 PM
kyrie gotta be the focal point for the c's. if hayward or tatum start scoring too much kyrie gonna dip in 2 years lol

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 08:00 PM
Yes, pretty much everyone agrees with that statement.

With Isaiah's injury, height, and age being factors, Kyrie will soon catch up or pass him as well.

No, love IT's game but one player is unguardable and the other is very difficult to guard. Kyrie is a major improvement to the Celtics. Kyrie 1v1 is a killer, finishes insalely around the basket and his cross-over is the best in the game right now.


Love me some IT but he comes up a little short here (pun intended)

Balltime
08-22-2017, 08:00 PM
So who can the Cavs get with Love and BK pick?

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 08:01 PM
So who can the Cavs get with Love and BK pick?

You're talking the top pick next year, I think a Big Fish but who? Wade said Porzingis & Melo but you gotta add a little more. I can see that getting done though.

papipapsmanny
08-22-2017, 08:02 PM
If Kyrie is your #1 option, your franchise won't win. Plain and simple. This guy isn't Kobe.. he doesn't play defense nor does he make his teammates better. He's a guy who wants to win scoring titles and that's who the Celtics will get.

Disclaimer I am a wizards fan.

But yeah Irving sucks with his efficient with his efficient 25 points per game to go along with 6 assist per game, as a 24-25 year old.

What a terrible piece to build around

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 08:02 PM
I can see some more added like the Cavs 1st too but yea, and it would make the Cavs ridiculous lol

IT/Rose
Smith/Wade
Melo/Korver
LeBron/Crowder
Kristaps/TT

Holy ****!

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 08:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSlRkNMZ98w

Video is about Zizic. Don't know anything about this guy but from the video above:

He's got great hands.
Gets in position.
Good p&r player.

Not sure what else to conclude but he's basically a bonus. I'd start him and sit TT, tbh.

aman_13
08-22-2017, 08:02 PM
Can't believe Ainge gave up his biggest asset to the team he's chasing.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 08:03 PM
If Kyrie is your #1 option, your franchise won't win. Plain and simple. This guy isn't Kobe.. he doesn't play defense nor does he make his teammates better. He's a guy who wants to win scoring titles and that's who the Celtics will get.

We'll see but I love the thought of Kyrie-Hayward-Tatum and Stevens. This team looks great.

Also, I'm not sure if #1option is even a thing anymore, so much volume shooting and scoring the games changed.


This is a great trade for both teams.

zn23
08-22-2017, 08:03 PM
Good trade for both teams.

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 08:03 PM
Disclaimer I am a wizards fan.

But yeah Irving sucks with his efficient with his efficient 25 points per game to go along with 6 assist per game, as a 24-25 year old.

What a terrible piece to build around

Read, buddy. I didn't say Irving sucks. I said he's not capable of making others better and as your #1 option, that just means you're a ME-ME-ME player. Look at John Wall then look at Kyrie. Big difference.

homie564
08-22-2017, 08:04 PM
WTF. Crowder is one of the best role players in the nba. The other Boston homer comes in and defend his team!

I'm not defending the trade at all.. I don't like it for Boston... all I'm saying is people are overrating Jae Crowder. He's obviously worth 8M in an NBA where Kelly Olynyk gets 10+ or whatever he he got... but he's not a "great role player" great role player is a 6th man off the bench or complimentary starter... he's not that... at least imo he's not that. People love him but are blinded because of his contract... he's not a great player


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ciaban
08-22-2017, 08:04 PM
You overrate Kyrie

Nope he nailed it.

WaDe03
08-22-2017, 08:04 PM
I think it's VERY possible Cavs can get Melo/KP but it has to be during the midseason in which Knicks are really desperate to get rid of Melo. Upside is huge there for the Cavs.. It's all-talk but man, this Kyrie news was the one we've been waiting for the past month!

Can they get the deal done now if they include TT?

Frank
THJR
Porter/Bagley/Doncic
Love
TT

D Blue987
08-22-2017, 08:04 PM
I don't think they do my dude, I think this is a great move and a Win-Win trade. The ball is in Clevelands court now and I would look to deal Love+BKN pick for another great piece.

If that Brooklyn pick ends up being number 1 or 2, they will, mark my words. All I am going to say on that subject for now. As a Lakers fan though, I have no problem with it.

Rivera
08-22-2017, 08:04 PM
Yes it's unprotected

thats a tough pill to swallow, that makes it a win for cleveland for me


ill take the bkn pick alone over Dunn, Lavine, and Markannen... Quality>Quantity

your also not the bulls. I dont disagree with what your saying, but the Bulls clearly liked Dunn, Lavine and markannen over the BKLN pick and thats all that matters because they are the ones making the decision

aman_13
08-22-2017, 08:05 PM
Good trade for both teams.

I liked the trade for the Celtics until they gave up the pick.

If the Cavs keep that pick, you can forget it. Even with Wade, they aren't beating the Warriors.

Vee-Rex
08-22-2017, 08:05 PM
Kyrie is a better player than IT but not by much, IMO.

I think IT will have a great year playing next to LeBron.

Crowder will get open 3's all year and can focus all his energy on defense.

Zizic has an opportunity to showcase himself at a position the Cavs are weak at.

Brk 1st is our insurance for the future. We keep it unless LeBron commits.

still1ballin
08-22-2017, 08:05 PM
Did someone say Kyrie is almost as good on offense as IT? Lol wtf. Do you watch Basketball bro?

I watch basketball bro

FlashBolt
08-22-2017, 08:06 PM
We'll see but I love the thought of Kyrie-Hayward-Tatum and Stevens. This team looks great.

Also, I'm not sure if #1option is even a thing anymore, so much volume shooting and scoring the games changed.


This is a great trade for both teams.

You're right, the game has changed. But it matters when you're in the playoffs and teams just isolate your teammates and Kyrie can't do anything other than score. People made a big buzz about how the Cavs are built around LeBron but a player like Kyrie with SHOOTERS around him should excel. Except, Kyrie never put any emphasis on helping others get their shot. I like the guy for what he is able to do vs the Warriors but he's not going to help your franchise win as the #1 option.

AllBall
08-22-2017, 08:06 PM
I liked the trade for the Celtics until they gave up the pick.

If the Cavs keep that pick, you can forget it. Even with Wade, they aren't beating the Warriors.

The Celtics wouldn't be beating the Warriors either, so who cares?

ciaban
08-22-2017, 08:06 PM
I can't believe the Cavs were able to get Boston to give up the Nets pick instead of the Lakers+Lower picks. That's incredible. This is a fantastic trade by the Cavs. The player expected to go #1 next year is supposed to be a transcendent talent who would have been the first pick in any of the last 3 drafts according to a lot of scouts.

hugepatsfan
08-22-2017, 08:06 PM
I think this was a long term move for Boston. Kyrie is gonna be still in his prime as Brown and Tatum come into theirs. Hayward has a 3 year opt out when Horford expires so they'll be able to add max players (plural) to that group.

I said in the first post before the deal that any Kyries interest was about the long term and I still believe that.

Green_Monster
08-22-2017, 08:06 PM
No, love IT's game but one player is unguardable and the other is very difficult to guard. Kyrie is a major improvement to the Celtics. Kyrie 1v1 is a killer, finishes insalely around the basket and his cross-over is the best in the game right now.


Love me some IT but he comes up a little short here (pun intended)

Thought your post meant the reverse, my bad.

aman_13
08-22-2017, 08:07 PM
Celtics fans should be happy though. I like what they are doing. Irving, Hayward, Tatum, Brown is an exciting core.

GREATNESS ONE
08-22-2017, 08:08 PM
If that Brooklyn pick ends up being number 1 or 2, they will, mark my words. All I am going to say on that subject for now. As a Lakers fan though, I have no problem with it.

I actually think it is too big I don't think Cleveland keeps the pick either, I can see a trade coming.

Scoots
08-22-2017, 08:08 PM
I love this move for the Celtics. IT wasn't worth the money he wanted. The Celtics have WAY too many assets so, while that's a good pick it really doesn't likely matter all that much.

What happened to all of the "guarantees" that Tatum and/or Brown would be part of the deal?

The Cavs do about as well as could be expected in the deal, and they got a pick for the possible LeBron-less future.

aman_13
08-22-2017, 08:08 PM
The Celtics wouldn't be beating the Warriors either, so who cares?

That's why you keep the pick.

valade16
08-22-2017, 08:09 PM
This rare gives cleveland flexibility to either go all in should LeBron stay by resigning Isaiah and trading the pick for another's vet or by letting Isaiah walk and starting their rebuild via Brooklyn's pick should Bron leave.

Great deal for them

eDush
08-22-2017, 08:09 PM
Boston will regret this deal for years to come imho. They have tons of draft assets but none more important than that Nets pick for 2018 since that has a great chance at being a top 3 lottery pick a year from now in what will be a deep draft at the top...holy crap.Kyrie is like the basketball equivalent to Cody in baseball. Would you trade Cody for another team's top AAA grade farmhand plus one rental who will get paid too much in his next contract and a few starting role players? That's what a team just did for Cody which you just claim they will regret for trading away all that for Cody :pity:

In reality, you will regret trading Cody away :nod:

bleedprple&gold
08-22-2017, 08:09 PM
The difference between Kyrie and IT is not worth giving up the Brooklyn pick. Terrible trade for the Celtics.