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mrblisterdundee
07-14-2017, 12:37 AM
It seems increasingly likely that LeBron is going to leave Cleveland. Irving and Love will likely have no interest staying in Cleveland without LeBron.
When do the Cavaliers think about trading guys like Irving, Love and Thompson for some younger assets they can develop? Could they ever find a decent trade with a contender or Los Angeles team that gets LeBron to waive his no-trade clause?

More-Than-Most
07-14-2017, 12:53 AM
na bro... kyrie gonna stay and finally carry the team lol... they should have traded kyrie for cp3... they are pretty much ****ed now honestly.

GoferKing_
07-14-2017, 03:05 AM
But... but... but... the league was supposed to bend over and give Cleveland their best players. I heard rumors that their team would get Butler, George, Jordan, Paul, Cousins, and couple of other dudes.


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Hawkeye15
07-14-2017, 07:13 AM
Too late. Best they can hope for is injuries to GS.

LOb0
07-14-2017, 07:44 AM
The day after they lost the finals. If this season went poorly they really should consider a trade.

warfelg
07-14-2017, 08:09 AM
You can't start thinking about what to do after Lebron leaves while you still have him.

ewing
07-14-2017, 09:46 AM
What a baby

Hawkeye15
07-14-2017, 10:08 AM
What a baby

who?

ewing
07-14-2017, 10:31 AM
who?

LeBron.

Hawkeye15
07-14-2017, 10:51 AM
LeBron.

why? What does he have to do with a poster asking if the Cavs think about starting over?

I mean, if you are saying he is a baby in general, well sure, he kinda is

Vee-Rex
07-14-2017, 11:29 AM
At this point, no one knows the chances that he's leaving and all the drama surrounding it is based on absolutely nothing substantial. If LeBron is wearing a blue shirt, it's because he's leaving to New York. If LeBron takes a dump, he's going to the Lakers because his toilet is facing West.

The media has fans by the balls and can convince them that the sun is purple and the moon is green. I guess I should be used to it by now.

Lakers + Giants
07-14-2017, 12:08 PM
At this point, no one knows the chances that he's leaving and all the drama surrounding it is based on absolutely nothing substantial. If LeBron is wearing a blue shirt, it's because he's leaving to New York. If LeBron takes a dump, he's going to the Lakers because his toilet is facing West.

The media has fans by the balls and can convince them that the sun is purple and the moon is green. I guess I should be used to it by now.

I thought you were gonna say if LeBron is taking a **** he's going to Lakers cuz they're dookie. I was about to tear that *** up boy! :laugh2:

RowBTrice
07-14-2017, 12:14 PM
At this point, no one knows the chances that he's leaving and all the drama surrounding it is based on absolutely nothing substantial. If LeBron is wearing a blue shirt, it's because he's leaving to New York. If LeBron takes a dump, he's going to the Lakers because his toilet is facing West.

The media has fans by the balls and can convince them that the sun is purple and the moon is green. I guess I should be used to it by now.

Yes we do. The chances are 100%.

ewing
07-14-2017, 01:19 PM
why? What does he have to do with a poster asking if the Cavs think about starting over?

I mean, if you are saying he is a baby in general, well sure, he kinda is

Bc they shouldn't have to think about it. They are a historicly good team that has done absolutely everything Bron could ask for but he lost so now it time to worry about him jumping ship


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Wrigheyes4MVP
07-14-2017, 01:21 PM
To answer the question... when he leaves, that's when.

SteBO
07-14-2017, 01:22 PM
At this point, no one knows the chances that he's leaving and all the drama surrounding it is based on absolutely nothing substantial. If LeBron is wearing a blue shirt, it's because he's leaving to New York. If LeBron takes a dump, he's going to the Lakers because his toilet is facing West.

The media has fans by the balls and can convince them that the sun is purple and the moon is green. I guess I should be used to it by now.
Heat/Cavs fans told themselves this for two years, then he left.....

Wrigheyes4MVP
07-14-2017, 01:43 PM
I don't think Lebron will leave Cleveland anytime soon... possibly ever again. Things are different this time around. My gut tells me Lebron will be a Cav for the rest of his career or at least for the rest of his prime.

GREATNESS ONE
07-14-2017, 01:48 PM
They should trade him.

GREATNESS ONE
07-14-2017, 01:48 PM
I don't think Lebron will leave Cleveland anytime soon... possibly ever again. Things are different this time around. My gut tells me Lebron will be a Cav for the rest of his career or at least for the rest of his prime.

Sure if he's ok with never winning another championship.

Me and Mr. T
07-14-2017, 02:06 PM
It's comical to me that there are rumors already about LeBron going to the Lakers. Why? It doesn't matter what team he puts together there. They wouldn't beat the Warriors unless they have a devastating injury. LeBron might be back in the finals this year, but after that going to the West would mean he'd never even get there again. He's only going to slow down from here on out. He's got a TON of mileage on his body from being in the league so long.

GREATNESS ONE
07-14-2017, 02:13 PM
It's comical to me that there are rumors already about LeBron going to the Lakers. Why? It doesn't matter what team he puts together there. They wouldn't beat the Warriors unless they have a devastating injury. LeBron might be back in the finals this year, but after that going to the West would mean he'd never even get there again. He's only going to slow down from here on out. He's got a TON of mileage on his body from being in the league so long.

Hypothetical but you don't think if Lebron, PG13 & Westbrook decided to team up with Lonzo/Ingram, you don't think they have a chance?

Wrigheyes4MVP
07-14-2017, 02:13 PM
Sure if he's ok with never winning another championship.

Where do you think he'd have a better chance to win one (outside joining GSW)?

Houston? San Antonio? Boston?

Surely you're not trying to suggest LA lol.

Wrigheyes4MVP
07-14-2017, 02:15 PM
Hypothetical but you don't think if Lebron, PG13 & Westbrook decided to team up with Lonzo/Ingram, you don't think they have a chance?

All three of them? The Lakers have the space for that?

If they can somehow pull that off then maybe they have a chance depending on how the rest of that team develops. I'm not sure that team would work as well as you think though. Lebron, PG13 and Westbrook are 3 ball dominant players. That means Lonzo is playing off the ball now? Lebron is great enough to make adjustments and make things work around him, but I'm not sure the others will fit in well together. As we've seen in the past, the success of Lebron's teams really comes down to his teammates being able to adjust to him, not really the other way around.

The thing about Golden State is, you have all 4 stars who are unselfish and don't need the ball in their hands to make a huge impact. And then they have all that depth and great defense.

Wrigheyes4MVP
07-14-2017, 02:22 PM
I feel like Cleveland is probably the best place for him to win right now. They are in the East first of all, so that's like a free trip to the Finals where they can rest sporadically along the way to stay fresh. You have Kyrie and Love. You also have a bunch of 3 point specialists. And most importantly, you already have chemistry from years of playing together.

They probably have to make some adjustments. Maybe trade Love for a different star. But overall that team is in a pretty good spot.

GREATNESS ONE
07-14-2017, 02:29 PM
Where do you think he'd have a better chance to win one (outside joining GSW)?

Houston? San Antonio? Boston?

Surely you're not trying to suggest LA lol.

Well if they can unload Deng and Clarkson they will have well over 90mill in cap space and can sign all 3 of them.

But if you're asking me about those 3. Kawhi and Lebron would be Nasty.

hugepatsfan
07-14-2017, 02:30 PM
The only shot Lebron has of winning a title is taking the MLE so a team can just add him without losing anyone else.

GREATNESS ONE
07-14-2017, 02:31 PM
All three of them? The Lakers have the space for that?

If they can somehow pull that off then maybe they have a chance depending on how the rest of that team develops. I'm not sure that team would work as well as you think though. Lebron, PG13 and Westbrook are 3 ball dominant players. That means Lonzo is playing off the ball now? Lebron is great enough to make adjustments and make things work around him, but I'm not sure the others will fit in well together. As we've seen in the past, the success of Lebron's teams really comes down to his teammates being able to adjust to him, not really the other way around.

The thing about Golden State is, you have all 4 stars who are unselfish and don't need the ball in their hands to make a huge impact. And then they have all that depth and great defense.

I don't want to make this a Lonzo thread but he could easily play off the ball and he's such an unselfish player, I think the 3 stars would buy in.... it would be pretty epic but it's a looooooooong shooooot.

Hawkeye15
07-14-2017, 02:53 PM
All three of them? The Lakers have the space for that?


no, they don't.

Hawkeye15
07-14-2017, 02:53 PM
The only shot Lebron has of winning a title is taking the MLE so a team can just add him without losing anyone else.

correct

hugepatsfan
07-14-2017, 02:55 PM
Well if they can unload Deng and Clarkson they will have well over 90mill in cap space and can sign all 3 of them.

But if you're asking me about those 3. Kawhi and Lebron would be Nasty.

You're numbers are off. Not sure 3 guys is realistic for LA but 2 plus another good player is for sure if they can dump Deng/Clarkson.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/cap/2018/

As you can see there, the projected cap is $102M.

The Lakers "active roster" cap for all the players they have under contract right now is $50,881,422. Subtract out Deng and Clarkson and that brings them down to $20,381,422 of active salary for 6 players (Ball, Ingram, Nance Jr., Kuzma, Hart, Zubac). (Note that Caruso isn't included because his money isn't reported yet.)

In the NBA you have roster space cap holds at the minimum. This year that's $815,615 per hold. Not sure what next year's will be so I'll use this year's - but it will be marginally higher. The Lakers have 6 players. The 3 maxes you want to sign are 3 more so up to 9. The minimum roster is 13 players so add 4 roster holds at $815,615 each - $3,262,460 total.

So $20,381,422 in active salaries plus $3,262,460 in cap holds equals $23,643,882. Under the $102M cap that gives them $78,356,118 to split between the 3 all stars you want to sign. (And keep in mind the actual minimum salary will be higher so that number will probably end up ~$1M less with the final number.)

Lebron's max is $$35.7M. George, Westbrook, Cousins, all have maxes of $30.6M. So Lebron plus two of those other guys at maxes would require $96.9M of cap room. So the Lakers would need those 3 players to take a combined $18,543,882 pay cut in year one of their deals. And then that will continue to make th future years of their 4 years deals less as well. So you'd really need the 3 of them to leave about $80M in total contract value over the life of a deal.

So I think 3 is unlikely but 2 and another good player is possible and probable IMO. They'll find a team to take Clarkson for sure. Deng will be tough - they might need to include Inram or Ball like they did Russell with Mozgov (which would make 3 all stars easier but still a lot of money on the table). They can also stretch him.

krazylegz
07-14-2017, 03:13 PM
yall are some miserable people who wish you had even .0000001% of the talent lebron has

ewing
07-14-2017, 03:27 PM
The Warriors can lose guys. The Cavs can add guys. Jeez you guys are as bad as LeBron. He isn't the favorite to win a title today that doesn't mean he had no chance of ever winning one unless he makes super team #3.


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Me and Mr. T
07-14-2017, 03:42 PM
Hypothetical but you don't think if Lebron, PG13 & Westbrook decided to team up with Lonzo/Ingram, you don't think they have a chance?

Of course that team would have a chance, but there's no way to fit them all under the salary cap unless they all take the minimum and LeBron is not doing that.

Me and Mr. T
07-14-2017, 03:44 PM
yall are some miserable people who wish you had even .0000001% of the talent lebron has

And LeBron wishes he had .0000001% of Jordan's will to win.

Hawkeye15
07-14-2017, 04:09 PM
The Warriors can lose guys. The Cavs can add guys. Jeez you guys are as bad as LeBron. He isn't the favorite to win a title today that doesn't mean he had no chance of ever winning one unless he makes super team #3.


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The Warriors can lose, if they sustain injuries, or someone of major importance leaves.

I get superteams have failed in the past, but it's because of what would need to happen to GS. Injuries, chemistry issues, or guys leaving. Otherwise, they aren't being beat.

Do people not get how talented they are? This would be like Jordan going against Price/Barkley/Hakeem/Richmond. All of them from age 26-29.

Think about that. Because while it might seem crazy, in 15 years, Curry/Durant/Green/Klay, are going to be looked at as HOF'ers, 2 of which will be top 15 players ever, another top 40. 2 of them MVP's in their peaks. Multiple all NBA teams in their peaks. All stars...etc.

There has never been anything like GS in the NBA, post merger. And last I checked, Pippen takes a dump on Love or Irving. Furthermore I didn't even add in Iggy, who won finals MVP for them 2 years prior.

Gibby23
07-14-2017, 04:11 PM
I don't think Lebron will leave Cleveland anytime soon... possibly ever again. Things are different this time around. My gut tells me Lebron will be a Cav for the rest of his career or at least for the rest of his prime.
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Your gut? Lol. Who are you though? People that know more about him than you say he is out. But your gut? LMAO

Gibby23
07-14-2017, 04:14 PM
Of course that team would have a chance, but there's no way to fit them all under the salary cap unless they all take the minimum and LeBron is not doing that.

If the Lakers cleared Clarkson and Deng and those 3 took the minimum, the Lakers would have like 75 million in Cap space. Lol. From max to minimum? Talk about extreme.

Vee-Rex
07-14-2017, 04:34 PM
Heat/Cavs fans told themselves this for two years, then he left.....

True, but there's still nothing substantial out there.

I mean, we saw similar reports after we won the championship last year - that LeBron fulfilled his 'promise' and he's gonna bolt. Then he signed a 2+1 year contract and effectively shut up all of them. Not a peep was heard regarding the subject. There was no one who went, "Wow, I really/legitimately thought he was leaving based on X, Y, and Z. I was wrong about it."

The fact of the matter is, these people just love drama and relish in the "LeBron is gone" comments. If LeBron re-signs with Cleveland next year, NO ONE is gonna be like, "Shocker! I thought he would be gone!", yet there's plenty right now that are guaranteeing it will happen. All it shows is that these statements are based on nothing more than hype.

Vee-Rex
07-14-2017, 04:37 PM
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Your gut? Lol. Who are you though? People that know more about him than you say he is out. But your gut? LMAO

I've heard reports that LeBron strongly wants his son to go to St. Vincent-St. Mary high school.

Obviously, that's not happening if he bolts to another team.

Gibby23
07-14-2017, 04:41 PM
I've heard reports that LeBron strongly wants his son to go to St. Vincent-St. Mary high school.

Obviously, that's not happening if he bolts to another team.

Best thing to do is sit back and enjoy this season. No use trying to guess what he is going to do.

Bostonjorge
07-14-2017, 04:47 PM
If Durant wins another title then no way James stays in Cleveland and watches Durant three peat.

GREATNESS ONE
07-14-2017, 04:53 PM
If the Lakers cleared Clarkson and Deng and those 3 took the minimum, the Lakers would have like 75 million in Cap space. Lol. From max to minimum? Talk about extreme.

3- 2year deals of 25mill a piece to beat the Warriors.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
07-14-2017, 04:56 PM
So the Lakers only hope is PG13 going to them in 2018 yet? What if he changes his mind and likes being paired up with Westbrook instead? Where does Lakers go from here? No picks in 2018.


2018 Owe first-rounder to Boston Celtics (Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Jayson Tatum), may go to Philadelphia 76ers if first or sixth and beyond.
2018 Owe second-rounder to Orlando Magic (Dwight Howard), may go to Toronto Raptors (Jeff Weltman

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/los-angeles-lakers-team-salary/

Maybe should of traded for PG13 now. Plus still have to dump Deng with a asset or future picks attached to dump him or add in Randle or whatever young piece with. At least trading for him now is you got him. Unless losing with the Lakers would of had him change his mind and bolt.

Gibby23
07-14-2017, 05:00 PM
So the Lakers only hope is PG13 going to them in 2018 yet? What if he changes his mind and likes being paired up with Westbrook instead? Where does Lakers go from here? No picks in 2018.



http://www.basketballinsiders.com/los-angeles-lakers-team-salary/

Maybe should of traded for PG13 now. Plus still have to dump Deng with a asset or future picks attached to dump him or add in Randle or whatever young piece with. At least trading for him now is you got him. Unless losing with the Lakers would of had him change his mind and bolt.


The Lakers just have to trade Clarkson, not resign Randle and stretch Deng to open space for 2 max contracts. If they are able to trade Deng, it opens up a little more money. Look for Clarkson and Randle to be traded by the deadline or off season.

Me and Mr. T
07-14-2017, 05:16 PM
If the Lakers cleared Clarkson and Deng and those 3 took the minimum, the Lakers would have like 75 million in Cap space. Lol. From max to minimum? Talk about extreme.

I have a really hard time envisioning them all taking the minimum, but then again crazier things have happened.

Vee-Rex
07-14-2017, 05:18 PM
Best thing to do is sit back and enjoy this season. No use trying to guess what he is going to do.

Lol that's the truth. Gonna try to watch every single Cavs game this year. :laugh2:

ewing
07-14-2017, 05:44 PM
The Warriors can lose, if they sustain injuries, or someone of major importance leaves.

I get superteams have failed in the past, but it's because of what would need to happen to GS. Injuries, chemistry issues, or guys leaving. Otherwise, they aren't being beat.

Do people not get how talented they are? This would be like Jordan going against Price/Barkley/Hakeem/Richmond. All of them from age 26-29.

Think about that. Because while it might seem crazy, in 15 years, Curry/Durant/Green/Klay, are going to be looked at as HOF'ers, 2 of which will be top 15 players ever, another top 40. 2 of them MVP's in their peaks. Multiple all NBA teams in their peaks. All stars...etc.

There has never been anything like GS in the NBA, post merger. And last I checked, Pippen takes a dump on Love or Irving. Furthermore I didn't even add in Iggy, who won finals MVP for them 2 years prior.

It'd be like Jordan going up against those guys if you added CWebb to the bulls and arsenal of sharp shooters. You sound like such a millennial. He doesn't get to be favored to win a title ever year. He might not win another one, IDK. I know IMO he would be a ***** to run out again b/c he thinks he is entitled to being the favorite for one.

Hawkeye15
07-14-2017, 05:51 PM
It'd be like Jordan going up against those guys if you added CWebb to the bulls and arsenal of sharp shooters. You sound like such a millennial. He doesn't get to be favored to win a title ever year. He might not win another one, IDK. I know IMO he would be a ***** to run out again b/c he thinks he is entitled to being the favorite for one.

Love is CWebb now? The Cavs shot over 38% from three and got creamed.

Nope, he doesn't get favored to win a title every year. What does that have to do with anything? Nobody in league history is going to be favored against these Warriors. I could care less if LeBron ever won after title 1, when he shut up the haters, and I moved back to indifferent on whether he wins another game or not.

I get you hate LeBron. But you keep underselling what GS really is. Forget LeBron. Once Durant joined, the remainder of the league now gets to wait for them to implode, get hurt, or run out of money. Just the way it is dude.

Don't call me a ****ing millennial dude. Do I toss insults at you? It's a sports forum. Chill out

LivinLakers
07-14-2017, 06:21 PM
^^^No doubt. But it doesn't even really equate. GS isn't great merely for their talent level. They are great because of how well their players gifts and talents fit with the others. They are all players that can shoot, drive, post, cut, defend. If you were to design the perfect team you would design Golden State. Even if Lebron teamed up with PG, and Westie I still would have GS as the favorites. I have been watching basketball for the last 35+ years and don't ever remember this complete of a team. It is something very rare and very special. The only derailing this would be injuries, departures, or rule changes.

mrblisterdundee
07-14-2017, 06:32 PM
You can't start thinking about what to do after Lebron leaves while you still have him.

Why not? There's all sorts of signs he's going to leave. Irving and Love, nor any marquee free agent for that matter, should have any interest in staying in Cleveland without him. He's reportedly interested in joining one of the league's youngest teams. Why not gather some young talent in Cleveland, which could entice LeBron to stay or mitigate him leaving?
There could be a serious market for Kyrie. Imagine what he could do on a team like the Bucks, who have plenty of young talent to trade and a market inefficiency at power forward. Maybe Boston would be interested in Kyrie, rather than backing up the Brinks truck for the smaller, older Thomas. You can always get the Kings to make a stupid trade. The possibilities are endless, and Kyrie has three years left on a reasonable contract.
Love won't get as much, but he still has value on offense.

ewing
07-14-2017, 06:56 PM
Love is CWebb now? The Cavs shot over 38% from three and got creamed.

Nope, he doesn't get favored to win a title every year. What does that have to do with anything? Nobody in league history is going to be favored against these Warriors. I could care less if LeBron ever won after title 1, when he shut up the haters, and I moved back to indifferent on whether he wins another game or not.

I get you hate LeBron. But you keep underselling what GS really is. Forget LeBron. Once Durant joined, the remainder of the league now gets to wait for them to implode, get hurt, or run out of money. Just the way it is dude.

Don't call me a ****ing millennial dude. Do I toss insults at you? It's a sports forum. Chill out


Didn't mean to cut so deep dude was just joking. anyway, thinking you deserve to be favored ever year is what is all about. Bron has a great team and a franchise that has done everything he could ask for. If he walks out again its another example of him being a ***** just like when he walked out on the Heat. I said the same thing about KD so its not just about LeBron.

FlashBolt
07-14-2017, 09:34 PM
LeBron refused to commit to the Cavs.. this is an obvious indication that he will most likely go to another team. At this point, he's already going to go downhill. I think it'll be interesting if he joins the Lakers just to see the Kobe-converters.

GREATNESS ONE
07-14-2017, 09:43 PM
Didn't mean to cut so deep dude was just joking. anyway, thinking you deserve to be favored ever year is what is all about. Bron has a great team and a franchise that has done everything he could ask for. If he walks out again its another example of him being a ***** just like when he walked out on the Heat. I said the same thing about KD so its not just about LeBron.

Yup both ***** made!

GREATNESS ONE
07-14-2017, 09:46 PM
LeBron refused to commit to the Cavs.. this is an obvious indication that he will most likely go to another team. At this point, he's already going to go downhill. I think it'll be interesting if he joins the Lakers just to see the Kobe-converters.

Hahaha I ****ing hate Lebron but I absolutely LOVE the Lakers. I have watched 95% of their games for over 25+ years. Been watching them since the mid 80's as a kid, fell in love with Magic.

I love the Lakers enough to put aside my hate for Lebron as long in the end it's all about the Lakers.

Scoots
07-15-2017, 07:57 PM
Love is CWebb now? The Cavs shot over 38% from three and got creamed.

Nope, he doesn't get favored to win a title every year. What does that have to do with anything? Nobody in league history is going to be favored against these Warriors. I could care less if LeBron ever won after title 1, when he shut up the haters, and I moved back to indifferent on whether he wins another game or not.

I get you hate LeBron. But you keep underselling what GS really is. Forget LeBron. Once Durant joined, the remainder of the league now gets to wait for them to implode, get hurt, or run out of money. Just the way it is dude.

Don't call me a ****ing millennial dude. Do I toss insults at you? It's a sports forum. Chill out

When did "Millennial" become an insult?

And if LeBron leaves to form another super team he will cement himself as the worst/best front runner ever.

Scoots
07-15-2017, 07:58 PM
The Cavs should start now working with LeBron on his exit so he can put his GM hat on and get as much in return for the Cavs as he can when he trades himself and Kyrie other teams.

JasonJohnHorn
07-15-2017, 08:52 PM
I mean... if they keep Love and Kyrie, they can bring pieces in as LBJ's game recedes like his hair line and put support around them that can keep them in contention after he leaves or into the twilight of his career.

You know, like the Spurs did with Duncan once he got Parker and Manu around him.

With that core, I don't see a need to start 'worrying' for another five years, barring a career ending injury and sudden and unexpected drop off.

Next year might have a bit of anxiety. We've heard for years that LBJ/Wade/Melo/CP3 want to play together, and they may all be free agents next year if Melo gets a buy out. But if Melo gets dumped on Houston and CP3 signs an extension there, which is likely, the Cavs won't have to worry. There won't be a better option for LBJ than the Cavs.


With the level James is playing at, and considering how seriously he takes his conditioning, and especially given that even if he slows down some, unlike Kobe, he's got the size to play in the post (Kobe had great post moves, yes, but too small to play PF, which LBJ can), it seems like LeBron will be posting over 20-5-5 until he's 35, and with Love and Kyrie being guys that can post 20/10 and 25+assists respectively, and a young defensive rebounder like Tristan in play... there is a long window in Cleveland. Especially given how weak the East is.

Jeffy25
07-16-2017, 02:05 AM
After he leaves

Jeffy25
07-16-2017, 02:06 AM
When did "Millennial" become an insult?

And if LeBron leaves to form another super team he will cement himself as the worst/best front runner ever.

It's an insult

Scoots
07-16-2017, 03:34 AM
It's an insult

It's a descriptor of a generation, and you didn't answer the question. Are you a millennial perchance?

KnicksorBust
07-16-2017, 07:33 AM
It's an insult

It's a descriptor of a generation, and you didn't answer the question. Are you a millennial perchance?

You technically are right but when Ewing said he "sounds like a millenial" what do you think that means? There is a connotation there...

KnicksorBust
07-16-2017, 08:30 AM
You can't start thinking about what to do after Lebron leaves while you still have him.

This is the answer btw. You go about business as usual and hope he is staying and retiring in Cleveland. If he bolts again to chase another ring I will be so pissed. Haha. I am a believer that LeBron to Miami was okay and Durant to Golden State was BS. If he leaves again he deserves to be skewed worse than Durant.

SteBO
07-16-2017, 10:11 AM
This is the answer btw. You go about business as usual and hope he is staying and retiring in Cleveland. If he bolts again to chase another ring I will be so pissed. Haha. I am a believer that LeBron to Miami was okay and Durant to Golden State was BS. If he leaves again he deserves to be skewed worse than Durant.
Your last sentence...why? Just curious.

Scoots
07-16-2017, 11:23 AM
This is the answer btw. You go about business as usual and hope he is staying and retiring in Cleveland. If he bolts again to chase another ring I will be so pissed. Haha. I am a believer that LeBron to Miami was okay and Durant to Golden State was BS. If he leaves again he deserves to be skewed worse than Durant.

I disagree. If you can find out in advance that he's leaving and while it's a secret you work with him to get as much value in return for him as possible to set your franchise up for the future. If the Cavs traded him it would be MUCH better for LeBron and for the team than if he just walked as a free agent.

Imagine if the Cavs traded him to the Celtics for 4 1st round picks and a player? Wouldn't that be better for everyone?

Vee-Rex
07-16-2017, 11:31 AM
I disagree. If you can find out in advance that he's leaving and while it's a secret you work with him to get as much value in return for him as possible to set your franchise up for the future. If the Cavs traded him it would be MUCH better for LeBron and for the team than if he just walked as a free agent.

Imagine if the Cavs traded him to the Celtics for 4 1st round picks and a player? Wouldn't that be better for everyone?

Realistically they'd never find out, though. LeBron is never gonna reveal his intentions because it'll take away his flexibility and leverage. He still wants to win a ring and he wants to call the shots while doing it.

It's one of several criticisms I've had about LeBron. He handles the off-season so selfishly with him and his boys and it's not always good for the team.

Imagine if he said, "I'm signing a contract extension if we get Paul George." Maybe George and his camp then declare that they're not signing an extension with any team except the Cavs. The possibility of getting him increases.

I remember that's how it was with his first stint. Stars didn't want to come because they had no idea if LeBron would stay.

Anyway, we just gotta keep him and hope he re-signs. If he doesn't, there's still an opportunity for a sign and trade and maybe we could devour some team of their future picks like we did the Heat.

Chronz
07-16-2017, 12:54 PM
I disagree. If you can find out in advance that he's leaving and while it's a secret you work with him to get as much value in return for him as possible to set your franchise up for the future. If the Cavs traded him it would be MUCH better for LeBron and for the team than if he just walked as a free agent.

Imagine if the Cavs traded him to the Celtics for 4 1st round picks and a player? Wouldn't that be better for everyone?

How does it benefit LeBron to degrade his new teams assets? Thats ridiculous, no team has the right to know anything beyond the contractual obligations.

KnicksorBust
07-16-2017, 02:10 PM
This is the answer btw. You go about business as usual and hope he is staying and retiring in Cleveland. If he bolts again to chase another ring I will be so pissed. Haha. I am a believer that LeBron to Miami was okay and Durant to Golden State was BS. If he leaves again he deserves to be skewed worse than Durant.
Your last sentence...why? Just curious.

Cleveland screwed up his first run there. Boozer, Larry Hughes, Shaq, etc. He couldn't wait forever for an organization that had done a piss poor job building a team around him. So he left. The Decision raised money for the Boys and Girls Club. I have no problem with him raising money for charity and leaving a dog **** situation. He went to play with his best friend. No problem there.

However, this time Cleveland did him right. They had Kyrie. They brought in Love. RJ. Jr. Shump. Korver. Deron. Resigned TT to a MASSIVE deal. He has the talent to win and they are spending big $$ to keep it all together. Leaving now would be a betrayal of all that and a total ring chase move. I get leaving when you are in a bad situation but now it would be leaving because he doesn't have the best possible situation.

That is what Durant did.

KnicksorBust
07-16-2017, 02:10 PM
This is the answer btw. You go about business as usual and hope he is staying and retiring in Cleveland. If he bolts again to chase another ring I will be so pissed. Haha. I am a believer that LeBron to Miami was okay and Durant to Golden State was BS. If he leaves again he deserves to be skewed worse than Durant.

I disagree. If you can find out in advance that he's leaving and while it's a secret you work with him to get as much value in return for him as possible to set your franchise up for the future. If the Cavs traded him it would be MUCH better for LeBron and for the team than if he just walked as a free agent.

Imagine if the Cavs traded him to the Celtics for 4 1st round picks and a player? Wouldn't that be better for everyone?

Why would that be better for Lebron? Wouldn't he want his new team to have all their assets?

Scoots
07-16-2017, 02:41 PM
How does it benefit LeBron to degrade his new teams assets? Thats ridiculous, no team has the right to know anything beyond the contractual obligations.

Because if he plans to leave, doesn't tell the Cavs, and just signs elsewhere and repeats the process of building a team around himself he is the bad guy and will get slayed for the move. If he's traded his reputation is helped hugely and if he gets traded and gets good value back it helps him even more with his "home town" fans. Draft picks won't mean much to LeBron because whatever players they would bring in would not contribute to his winning, and the Celtics example I used they could trade away 4 first round picks and not even feel it. They have WAY too many pics to fit on their roster as it is.

Vee-Rex
07-16-2017, 02:55 PM
LeBron has a NTC so that automatically eliminates most of the league as trade partners. And if you approach him to ask if he's willing to waive it then he knows for sure you're trying to trade him and it kills any chance of him staying.

Can't trade LeBron before his contract is up and you won't see the Cavs try.

Scoots
07-16-2017, 02:58 PM
Realistically they'd never find out, though. LeBron is never gonna reveal his intentions because it'll take away his flexibility and leverage. He still wants to win a ring and he wants to call the shots while doing it.

It's one of several criticisms I've had about LeBron. He handles the off-season so selfishly with him and his boys and it's not always good for the team.

Imagine if he said, "I'm signing a contract extension if we get Paul George." Maybe George and his camp then declare that they're not signing an extension with any team except the Cavs. The possibility of getting him increases.

I remember that's how it was with his first stint. Stars didn't want to come because they had no idea if LeBron would stay.

Anyway, we just gotta keep him and hope he re-signs. If he doesn't, there's still an opportunity for a sign and trade and maybe we could devour some team of their future picks like we did the Heat.

Aldridge and George both told their teams in advance so there is always hope.

Laker Legend42
07-16-2017, 03:44 PM
Seeing that lebron and dan gilbert don't have the greatest of relationships if I'm dan Gilbert I would have traded him as soon as the season ended. There is no way you stand back and watch this dude leave again. If reports are true and he leaves its back to square one. I also think lebrons master plan is to one day own the the cavs. That can't happen as long as lebron is there making dan gilbert rich and contending for championships.

LivinLakers
07-16-2017, 05:39 PM
Seeing that lebron and dan gilbert don't have the greatest of relationships if I'm dan Gilbert I would have traded him as soon as the season ended. There is no way you stand back and watch this dude leave again. If reports are true and he leaves its back to square one. I also think lebrons master plan is to one day own the the cavs. That can't happen as long as lebron is there making dan gilbert rich and contending for championships.
Honestly, If I am Gilbert and Lebron doesn't give me any indication of his loyalty/desire to stay, I would try to move him. I would ask him what team he would like to go to and then try to work a deal. But Lebron has all the leverage the way things are now (no trade clause, no communication, can go where ever he wants). If he does leave, he leaves The Cavs in a much worse position than they were before he got there. The Cavs would have been much better off with Wiggins and without Thompson's and Love's huge millstone around their necks. Plus they could trade either one for anything without giving up future picks or talent. They are in a real bad spot if he leave. To be honest, I hope for Cleveland fans that he stay, but it is not looking good at this point.

Jeffy25
07-16-2017, 09:48 PM
It's a descriptor of a generation, and you didn't answer the question. Are you a millennial perchance?

No, I'm just a bit older :)

kobe4thewinbang
07-17-2017, 04:02 AM
It feels more likely to me, given that the Cavaliers have a cheap owner and there is likely a Gilbert/LeBron tension. You can't tell me Bron-Bron is happy with the moves they've made this summer. You know why? They haven't made any moves. No, Jose "waiver wire" Calderon is not a move. That's just them saying Deron Williams stunk up the court when he was supposed to be semi-decent in the Finals, or any round for that matter.

They still have Love, whose shot is far from consistent, and mini-Kobe Kyrie who is a play-killer as opposed to a playmaker. He's really good at making really bad shots. Otherwise, he just misses, especially when the team is only down by 10 to the Warriors. Time, and time again. It was painful to watch. They have the Kardashian-cursed Thompson who LeBron fought for to get a contract to, and then he can't even rebound the damn ball more often than Steph "point guard height" Curry.

Cavaliers are in trouble.

I expect some moves as the season looms, and more so once it begins especially if they struggle. See the David Griffin firing. GM LeBron is going to be real aggressive soon, cuz his team is exactly the same, another year older, and still going to get stomped by the Warriors...who added Nick Young and re-signed others.

Hawkeye15
07-17-2017, 09:13 AM
Didn't mean to cut so deep dude was just joking. anyway, thinking you deserve to be favored ever year is what is all about. Bron has a great team and a franchise that has done everything he could ask for. If he walks out again its another example of him being a ***** just like when he walked out on the Heat. I said the same thing about KD so its not just about LeBron.

no worries.

LeBron does have a great team. No decision he can make is going to put him on an even level with GS, unless he takes the MLE and goes to a top 2-3 team. If he leaves to chase rings, it would say quite a bit about him as a person. Desperation basically. Wouldn't be a good look to close his career haha

Get used to stars leaving in free agency dude. It started 8 years ago (well way before that, but now much more prevalent) and it will just get worse. Attempting to judge them against yesterday's player because of it will turn you into an old man shaking your stick sooner rather than later.

The one thing I would have an issue with this time around, is LeBron wouldn't be leaving a pile of garbage. He has plenty of help, and while his team can't be GS if both are healthy, things can happen. He doesn't need to be leaving a team that has given him what he asked for, after he has accomplished so much in his career. It would be very selfish at this point.

Hawkeye15
07-17-2017, 09:14 AM
When did "Millennial" become an insult?

And if LeBron leaves to form another super team he will cement himself as the worst/best front runner ever.

I ****ing hate millennials

agreed

prodigy
07-17-2017, 01:28 PM
It seems increasingly likely that LeBron is going to leave Cleveland. Irving and Love will likely have no interest staying in Cleveland without LeBron.
When do the Cavaliers think about trading guys like Irving, Love and Thompson for some younger assets they can develop? Could they ever find a decent trade with a contender or Los Angeles team that gets LeBron to waive his no-trade clause?

Seems like most comments i read are just ripping and making fun of Cleveland so to answer the question honestly.

- Its really hard to think about a post Lebron team because we are in a win now mode. Which means Cavs are giving up every valuable asset to get better right now. Draft picks, cap etc...

- far as Trading Love and Kyrie i think Love will be dealt. Irving is untouchable unless Cavs get a GREAT offer. But East will be very weak. So cavs could keep Love and Irving another year and see what happens.

- Also important to state Lebron really wants to own a team and Cavs have been his choice for years now. Dan Gilbert Has been interested in the Pistons for sometime. so I think he could own a team a lot sooner then most think. His good friend Warren Buffett is rumored to be his partner among others.

- I still find it very unlikely Lebron leaves Cleveland. He stated many times he wants his kids to attend his old High school where "the Lebron James Arena" is. He would lose out on millions of Dollars which we all know Lebron is not interested in pay cuts anymore. His best chance to continue and contend for titles is the East. His Legacy would take a huge hit also if he jumps to another team with multiple all-stars.

I mentioned in another forum for someone to give me a real reason Lebron would leave and nobody did. So until a real reason comes up i just cant see it.

prodigy
07-17-2017, 01:30 PM
no worries.

LeBron does have a great team. No decision he can make is going to put him on an even level with GS, unless he takes the MLE and goes to a top 2-3 team. If he leaves to chase rings, it would say quite a bit about him as a person. Desperation basically. Wouldn't be a good look to close his career haha

Get used to stars leaving in free agency dude. It started 8 years ago (well way before that, but now much more prevalent) and it will just get worse. Attempting to judge them against yesterday's player because of it will turn you into an old man shaking your stick sooner rather than later.

The one thing I would have an issue with this time around, is LeBron wouldn't be leaving a pile of garbage. He has plenty of help, and while his team can't be GS if both are healthy, things can happen. He doesn't need to be leaving a team that has given him what he asked for, after he has accomplished so much in his career. It would be very selfish at this point.

great points. I honestly dont mind players leaving. like u said its gonna happen. But its has to make sense. Lebron leaving doesn't

Hangin n Wangin
07-17-2017, 04:54 PM
Breaking News: Lebron complaining again.

mrblisterdundee
07-17-2017, 05:40 PM
Seems like most comments i read are just ripping and making fun of Cleveland so to answer the question honestly.
- Its really hard to think about a post Lebron team because we are in a win now mode. Which means Cavs are giving up every valuable asset to get better right now. Draft picks, cap etc...
- far as Trading Love and Kyrie i think Love will be dealt. Irving is untouchable unless Cavs get a GREAT offer. But East will be very weak. So cavs could keep Love and Irving another year and see what happens.
- Also important to state Lebron really wants to own a team and Cavs have been his choice for years now. Dan Gilbert Has been interested in the Pistons for sometime. so I think he could own a team a lot sooner then most think. His good friend Warren Buffett is rumored to be his partner among others.
- I still find it very unlikely Lebron leaves Cleveland. He stated many times he wants his kids to attend his old High school where "the Lebron James Arena" is. He would lose out on millions of Dollars which we all know Lebron is not interested in pay cuts anymore. His best chance to continue and contend for titles is the East. His Legacy would take a huge hit also if he jumps to another team with multiple all-stars.
I mentioned in another forum for someone to give me a real reason Lebron would leave and nobody did. So until a real reason comes up i just cant see it.

Good points. For LeBron to leave, there would have to be a viable super team forming in Los Angeles. Otherwise, why go west and face more formidable competition, when he can cruise to the finals in the east? If he was totally self-serving, he'd go to Boston. That's his best chance of winning more championships.
Irving's not as untouchable as you think, with his horrible defense and his reported desire to leave Cleveland if LeBron's not around anymore. The Cavaliers would be in the same situation as the Pacers were with George, albeit with a couple more years on the contract.
I guess it all depends on when LeBron gives some indication of his future.

redsox12
07-17-2017, 07:00 PM
I just can't see LeBron leaving Cleveland. The biggest reason is he is the boss/GM/Coach of the team, it's not happening with the Lakers because Magic will still be the boss even with LeBron there.

I could see if LeBron and the Cavs loss to Golden State in another "Quickie" then they may make wholesale changes like maybe even a sign and trade Kyrie Irving to Hou for Chris Paul and bring in LeBron's friends to make him happy even though he is losing in Cleveland.

KnickNyKnick
07-17-2017, 07:15 PM
if i were lebron id make my way over to washington or Boston if the cavs cant get it done.

IKnowHoops
07-17-2017, 10:12 PM
You can't start thinking about what to do after Lebron leaves while you still have him.

Ding ding ding.

Cavs were crap before Bron, when he left, and will be again when he leaves. Just feel blessed that the most talented physical specimen of a human being was born in Ohio and he played for you as long as he did. Don't even think about what happens after he leaves. None of that matters when you suck. Concentrate on winning with him and that's it. Bron gives you a chance that no other team has. Be grateful always. It was by the grace of God that you ever had him.

prodigy
07-18-2017, 09:44 AM
Ding ding ding.

Cavs were crap before Bron, when he left, and will be again when he leaves. Just feel blessed that the most talented physical specimen of a human being was born in Ohio and he played for you as long as he did. Don't even think about what happens after he leaves. None of that matters when you suck. Concentrate on winning with him and that's it. Bron gives you a chance that no other team has. Be grateful always. It was by the grace of God that you ever had him.

LMAO, just remember hes an athlete. Happened to be good at basketball. I hate when people treat Athletes like Gods. Relax hoops hes never gonna see this and won't sleep with you. i agree with what u said just not how u said it lol.

Scoots
07-18-2017, 10:01 AM
LeBron wants to own a team ... Rockets are on the Banana boat and are now on the market ... ???

IKnowHoops
07-18-2017, 12:31 PM
LMAO, just remember hes an athlete. Happened to be good at basketball. I hate when people treat Athletes like Gods. Relax hoops hes never gonna see this and won't sleep with you. i agree with what u said just not how u said it lol.

You agree with it because it's absolutely true. You disagree with how I said it because your a Cavs fan, not because I want to sleep with Bron. Trust me, I have no Bron jersey, and if I saw him in public, I wouldn't care. Don't want anyone's autograph or a picture with them. Just like watching him play basketball from the comfort of my couch. That's it. And again, you agreed cause it's 100% true all BS aside. Cleveland got lucky by having the best athlete of all time born in Ohio. That's it. They don't own him. God owns him. Be happy while he's there. Don't worry about what might happen.

Vee-Rex
07-18-2017, 01:22 PM
Trust me, I have no Bron jersey, and if I saw him in public, I wouldn't care.

:laugh2:

Come on, brah. No one believes that. Both you and MTM would be slurpin' if you met him in person.

ewing
07-18-2017, 02:00 PM
:laugh2:

Come on, brah. No one believes that. Both you and MTM would be slurpin' if you met him in person.

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BKLYNpigeon
07-18-2017, 03:10 PM
You guys hating on Millenials or Hipsters are the same as, Old NBA Players hating on the Soft NBA Game today.

AllBall
07-18-2017, 03:13 PM
You guys hating on Millenials or Hipsters are the same as, Old NBA Players hating on the Soft NBA Game today.

Term is so stupid. Someone who is 37 qualifies as a "Millennial".

ewing
07-18-2017, 03:40 PM
You guys hating on Millenials or Hipsters are the same as, Old NBA Players hating on the Soft NBA Game today.

it is soft

JordansBulls
07-18-2017, 06:42 PM
They should trade him.

Agreed!! Niko, Lopez and 5 first round picks for Lebron.

nastynice
07-19-2017, 04:11 AM
I'm getting a strong bail out vibe from lebron, I think the cavs front office should legitimately consider trading him. Some team will give up a lot

prodigy
07-19-2017, 08:50 AM
You agree with it because it's absolutely true. You disagree with how I said it because your a Cavs fan, not because I want to sleep with Bron. Trust me, I have no Bron jersey, and if I saw him in public, I wouldn't care. Don't want anyone's autograph or a picture with them. Just like watching him play basketball from the comfort of my couch. That's it. And again, you agreed cause it's 100% true all BS aside. Cleveland got lucky by having the best athlete of all time born in Ohio. That's it. They don't own him. God owns him. Be happy while he's there. Don't worry about what might happen.

Bulls are lucky Jordan became really good and then got scotty, they are lucky Jordon sucked at baseball and returned lol. Cavs are lucky Kyrie is the real deal. Every team is lucky at some point in all sports lol. Patriots are blessed that Tom Brady is what he is drafted so late.

I disagree with how u said it because ur making it as an insult on Cleveland. But like i said every team is lucky in some way. CA and FL teams are lucky they have beautiful weather year round which attracts players. we can keep going lol.

prodigy
07-19-2017, 08:53 AM
I'm getting a strong bail out vibe from lebron, I think the cavs front office should legitimately consider trading him. Some team will give up a lot

If Lebron did decide to leave again i hope he would have enough respect for us that he would do a sign and trade. He's not leaving though.

Scoots
07-19-2017, 09:14 AM
Term is so stupid. Someone who is 37 qualifies as a "Millennial".

Every snowflake is unique.

Vee-Rex
07-19-2017, 12:56 PM
Bulls are lucky Jordan became really good and then got scotty, they are lucky Jordon sucked at baseball and returned lol. Cavs are lucky Kyrie is the real deal. Every team is lucky at some point in all sports lol. Patriots are blessed that Tom Brady is what he is drafted so late.

I disagree with how u said it because ur making it as an insult on Cleveland. But like i said every team is lucky in some way. CA and FL teams are lucky they have beautiful weather year round which attracts players. we can keep going lol.

Same here - I agree. Fortunately, he's already bandwagoning onto the Minnesota Timberwolves (Idk why) and if LeBron did leave then it'll be back to real Cavs fans rooting for the team.

Hawkeye15
07-19-2017, 01:32 PM
Same here - I agree. Fortunately, he's already bandwagoning onto the Minnesota Timberwolves (Idk why) and if LeBron did leave then it'll be back to real Cavs fans rooting for the team.

get in line brother

FlashBolt
07-19-2017, 02:23 PM
I'm not sure how Cavs fan feel about it. It's probably a mixed feeling.

LeBron got his boys paid handsomely and now wants the Cavs management to work miracles.
LeBron won't commit to the Cavs - which held up discussions with Butler and PG.
LeBron is mute at this point since after getting his boys paid, he didn't expect the Warriors to make adjustments and now, the Cavs have no space to grow.
When LeBron bolts to the Lakers (or Spurs - wow, that would be beautiful), Cavs would be left with a first round exit team. Thank God they are in the East, though.

He brought you guys a ring, though. He did do what he came back to do.

SteBO
07-19-2017, 02:31 PM
I'm not sure how Cavs fan feel about it. It's probably a mixed feeling.

LeBron got his boys paid handsomely and now wants the Cavs management to work miracles.
LeBron won't commit to the Cavs - which held up discussions with Butler and PG.
LeBron is mute at this point since after getting his boys paid, he didn't expect the Warriors to make adjustments and now, the Cavs have no space to grow.
When LeBron bolts to the Lakers (or Spurs - wow, that would be beautiful), Cavs would be left with a first round exit team. Thank God they are in the East, though.

He brought you guys a ring, though. He did do what he came back to do.
LBJ getting his boys paid and being noncommittal (whether it be committing to the Cavs long term or saying straight up "I'm leaving") are the two key reasons why they're in the position they are in. Take Kevin Durants move out of the equation and there's still no guarantee they win it all aside from 2016.

I agree with you in that he did what he promised he'd do by getting Cleveland a championship. Should the worst happen and he bolts, having mixed feelings would be understandable. But I expect rage....

nastynice
07-19-2017, 03:13 PM
He won't catch as much heat for leaving if he leaves again, because he won't do a decision show followed by Saturday morning song and dance. He ****ed up, he's aware of it, I think he grew from it.

He's really empowering players tho, it's like you could already see the dynamic shift. Everything is on PG's terms, you know he's gonna enter next off season in control of his destiny. I'm sure thenplayers love lebron for that (and actually it was kg that told him staying loyal gets you nowhere)

And if those two go to LA, haha, ohh ****

Personally, I still think the cavs gotta consider a trade. They got kyrie and love, if they add another player of similar caliber plus good depth, or something. I mean they're a pretty stacked squad, the Warriors made everyone forget, they can really secure some future success by making a good move. They need a point guard who distributes and start putting Love on the block again.

A franchise should be bigger than any one player. Soon as they forget that, they cease to be

FlashBolt
07-19-2017, 03:18 PM
He won't catch as much heat for leaving if he leaves again, because he won't do a decision show followed by Saturday morning song and dance. He ****ed up, he's aware of it, I think he grew from it.

He's really empowering players tho, it's like you could already see the dynamic shift. Everything is on PG's terms, you know he's gonna enter next off season in control of his destiny. I'm sure thenplayers love lebron for that (and actually it was kg that told him staying loyal gets you nowhere)

And if those two go to LA, haha, ohh ****

Personally, I still think the cavs gotta consider a trade. They got kyrie and love, if they add another player of similar caliber plus good depth, or something. I mean they're a pretty stacked squad, the Warriors made everyone forget, they can really secure some future success by making a good move. They need a point guard who distributes and start putting Love on the block again.

A franchise should be bigger than any one player. Soon as they forget that, they cease to be

I don't think any team can handle the negative pushback they get from trading a guy like LeBron. I get it, it's his last year and you don't want to make these gambles but really, this is like trading Michael Jordan of this generation. It's just unfathomable that it would be considered. On a business perspective, it definitely makes sense. But it won't work. LeBron has a NTC and literally, there is not a single player you can trade LeBron for that would give you a better chance than what LeBron gives you. It also saves LeBron the backlash if he does leave so maybe LeBron does decide to waive the NTC.

Bostonjorge
07-19-2017, 04:08 PM
LA with PG13 is what's best for Lebron. He can play the Green role in the GS(Luke)offense but be the premier offensive weapon. PG can be the defensive stopper guarding guys like Durant full time. That will let James play mostly help defense and challenge shots at the rim.

Instead of James getting others open looks the offense will be looking to get James open shots when he's off the ball. Make James the offensive power house and have the other 4 guys create for James. This will keep his fatigue down. Transform him to a shot first pass second player.

ewing
07-19-2017, 04:11 PM
LA with PG13 is what's best for Lebron. He can play the Green role in the GS(Luke)offense but be the premier offensive weapon. PG can be the defensive stopper guarding guys like Durant full time. That will let James play mostly help defense and challenge shots at the rim.

Instead of James getting others open looks the offense will be looking to get James open shots when he's off the ball. Make James the offensive power house and have the other 4 guys create for James. This will keep his fatigue down. Transform him to a shot first pass second player.

he should just retire

nastynice
07-19-2017, 04:12 PM
Yea but he's definitely sending the msg that he doesn't plan to stay. It's not like they're trading him out the clear blue sky, they're trading him cuz if he just leaves, they'll be crippled

The ntc certainly changes things tho.

Vee-Rex
07-19-2017, 04:22 PM
Yea but he's definitely sending the msg that he doesn't plan to stay. It's not like they're trading him out the clear blue sky, they're trading him cuz if he just leaves, they'll be crippled

The ntc certainly changes things tho.

I'd love to see you provide evidence that LeBron has DEFINITELY been saying he doesn't plan to stay. No one can.

I think the world can agree that Gilbert is clearly paving the way for LeBron's departure from Cleveland with his front office decisions, but no one can definitively say that LeBron is leaving. It's fine if you believe it, but that's where the line is drawn - particularly when you try to use unfactual information to drive in your point that LeBron should be traded.

This offseason the media has been wrong on nearly everything and dudes have been going nuts believing it all.

Edit: The Cavs organization would forever be a laughing stock if they traded LeBron based on some media rumors and he wasn't actually planning on leaving. As Flashbolt said, you don't trade a generational player such as he unless he comes to your office ala Paul George-style and say he's leaving.

nastynice
07-19-2017, 04:38 PM
I'd love to see you provide evidence that LeBron has DEFINITELY been saying he doesn't plan to stay. No one can.

I think the world can agree that Gilbert is clearly paving the way for LeBron's departure from Cleveland with his front office decisions, but no one can definitively say that LeBron is leaving. It's fine if you believe it, but that's where the line is drawn - particularly when you try to use unfactual information to drive in your point that LeBron should be traded.

This offseason the media has been wrong on nearly everything and dudes have been going nuts believing it all.

Edit: The Cavs organization would forever be a laughing stock if they traded LeBron based on some media rumors and he wasn't actually planning on leaving. As Flashbolt said, you don't trade a generational player such as he unless he comes to your office ala Paul George-style and say he's leaving.

Obviously no one knows definitely what he'll do, but he's giving that vibe. He's just doing the same kinda thing, not happy with the players not happy with the front office, doesn't seem to be actively helping in any type of recruiting.

Doesn't matter that he's a generational player. If he's not on your team, it doesn't help you.

Vee-Rex
07-19-2017, 05:08 PM
Obviously no one knows definitely what he'll do, but he's giving that vibe. He's just doing the same kinda thing, not happy with the players not happy with the front office, doesn't seem to be actively helping in any type of recruiting.

He has been doing this pretty much his entire career. Besides, he has said that he never even truly considered a team in the Western conference when he came back to Cleveland.

The only chance he leaves is if it's to a team that can probably beat GS - and I just don't see where that team is right now. Certainly won't be the Lakers in 2018.

Cleveland is not only a top 3 team in the league and probably/arguably has the best shot at beating GS right now, but they're also in the East. As prodigy said - it just doesn't make sense at this point. We'll see where the dominoes fall in the next offseason, though.

Bostonjorge
07-19-2017, 05:16 PM
It's being reported that James agent is talking to the Lakers.

AllBall
07-19-2017, 05:58 PM
It's being reported that James agent is talking to the Lakers.

Citation needed...

Bostonjorge
07-19-2017, 06:26 PM
Citation needed...

James agent is also KCP agent who's on Lakers. Media just baiting us. They are giving misleading titles on story's.

IKnowHoops
07-19-2017, 08:53 PM
:laugh2:

Come on, brah. No one believes that. Both you and MTM would be slurpin' if you met him in person.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

"I don't where Jerseys I'm 30 plus
Give me a crisp pair of jeans and a button up
S dots on my feet
Make my cypher complete
What more can I say
Guru play the beat"

All I do is keep it real.

Love watching basketball

Don't care a lick about these dudes off the court. I love my self way to much to run after another man my dude.

IKnowHoops
07-19-2017, 08:59 PM
Without question


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

"From scams to money grams
I got juniors who want to wire me
You think you know but really don't
Put it in your diary"

I'm not the one. I ain't a groupie. Se how your name is Ewing...after an NBA player. See mine. That's after me.

"Don't follow no negro, that's h-- s---man.
Stand on your own two, do yo s--- man.

IKnowHoops
07-19-2017, 09:03 PM
Same here - I agree. Fortunately, he's already bandwagoning onto the Minnesota Timberwolves (Idk why) and if LeBron did leave then it'll be back to real Cavs fans rooting for the team.

Your so salty inside. I'm from Minnesota fool. I'm. Bron fan. You always get so caught up in your feelings it's pathetic.

IKnowHoops
07-19-2017, 09:04 PM
get in line brother

Lol. This guy actin like he don't know. Ok you must be a bandwagon Bron fan too since you think KR is the 2nd or 3rd best player ever.

IKnowHoops
07-19-2017, 09:10 PM
I'd love to see you provide evidence that LeBron has DEFINITELY been saying he doesn't plan to stay. No one can.

I think the world can agree that Gilbert is clearly paving the way for LeBron's departure from Cleveland with his front office decisions, but no one can definitively say that LeBron is leaving. It's fine if you believe it, but that's where the line is drawn - particularly when you try to use unfactual information to drive in your point that LeBron should be traded.

This offseason the media has been wrong on nearly everything and dudes have been going nuts believing it all.

Edit: The Cavs organization would forever be a laughing stock if they traded LeBron based on some media rumors and he wasn't actually planning on leaving. As Flashbolt said, you don't trade a generational player such as he unless he comes to your office ala Paul George-style and say he's leaving.

Why are you changing his narrative. He doesn't have to "say or speak anything" to send a message that he's not coming back.

IKnowHoops
07-19-2017, 09:13 PM
He has been doing this pretty much his entire career. Besides, he has said that he never even truly considered a team in the Western conference when he came back to Cleveland.

The only chance he leaves is if it's to a team that can probably beat GS - and I just don't see where that team is right now. Certainly won't be the Lakers in 2018.

Cleveland is not only a top 3 team in the league and probably/arguably has the best shot at beating GS right now, but they're also in the East. As prodigy said - it just doesn't make sense at this point. We'll see where the dominoes fall in the next offseason, though.

If Bron went to the Spurs, they are easily better than the Cavs with Lebron due to KL and Pop coaching. Your in denial right now. He hasn't been doing the same things his whole career. If you can't see that then wait for it.

Vee-Rex
07-19-2017, 10:01 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

"I don't where Jerseys I'm 30 plus
Give me a crisp pair of jeans and a button up
S dots on my feet
Make my cypher complete
What more can I say
Guru play the beat"

All I do is keep it real.

Love watching basketball

Don't care a lick about these dudes off the court. I love my self way to much to run after another man my dude.
If you're not a jersey dude that's cool. I could see you with a LeBron tattoo. Maybe tweeting at him every day. Something like that.

Balltime
07-19-2017, 10:07 PM
I find it odd that after KCP signed a one year deal, Lebron is seen @ a Laker summer league game. Lebron agent will have open communication with the Laker brass with KCP signed.

Vee-Rex
07-19-2017, 10:07 PM
Your so salty inside. I'm from Minnesota fool. I'm. Bron fan. You always get so caught up in your feelings it's pathetic.

Lol you ain't give damn about Minnesota until KAT started beastin'.

Yeah, I'm a Tom Brady fan until the Browns get good!!!

FOH with that weak ****. :laugh2:

Gibby23
07-19-2017, 11:38 PM
I'd love to see you provide evidence that LeBron has DEFINITELY been saying he doesn't plan to stay. No one can.

I think the world can agree that Gilbert is clearly paving the way for LeBron's departure from Cleveland with his front office decisions, but no one can definitively say that LeBron is leaving. It's fine if you believe it, but that's where the line is drawn - particularly when you try to use unfactual information to drive in your point that LeBron should be traded.

This offseason the media has been wrong on nearly everything and dudes have been going nuts believing it all.

Edit: The Cavs organization would forever be a laughing stock if they traded LeBron based on some media rumors and he wasn't actually planning on leaving. As Flashbolt said, you don't trade a generational player such as he unless he comes to your office ala Paul George-style and say he's leaving.

And you still don't trade him. You profit off of him as long as you can. He isn't Paul George, he is probably the 2nd best player ever.

nastynice
07-20-2017, 12:27 AM
And you still don't trade him. You profit off of him as long as you can. He isn't Paul George, he is probably the 2nd best player ever.

Was listening to a radio show, guy made the point that you don't trade lebron until after the season starts and the season tickets are sold. I could see that happening

IKnowHoops
07-20-2017, 01:41 AM
If you're not a jersey dude that's cool. I could see you with a LeBron tattoo. Maybe tweeting at him every day. Something like that.

Man...your just exposing your own inner feelings dude. I haven't tweeted in like 5 years. Even then, when I did, I used it as my own promotional tool. I tweeted at Steven a once when I didn't agree. Never at an athlete. I don't get star struck ever. Don't care about players off the court. Likewise I don't hate on them for "dumb" stuff they do off the court. My living room tv is where their hype begins and ends. If they are hooping I want to watch, if they are in the streets, I'm not paying attention.
I guess you "real fans" don't understand this simple concept.

IKnowHoops
07-20-2017, 01:46 AM
Lol you ain't give damn about Minnesota until KAT started beastin'.

Yeah, I'm a Tom Brady fan until the Browns get good!!!

FOH with that weak ****. :laugh2:

Lol. I opened the Target center ya bum. I was watching JR rider east bay funk dunk. The first guy to put it threw his legs and yam.

Where the hell were you when a Bron was in Miami? Would love to see a Cleveland post from you then lmfao!

GoferKing_
07-20-2017, 03:44 AM
Lol. I opened the Target center ya bum. I was watching JR rider east bay funk dunk. The first guy to put it threw his legs and yam.

Where the hell were you when a Bron was in Miami? Would love to see a Cleveland post from you then lmfao!

So you are a Cavs fan or Wolves or you are just jumping around to whoever has a big chance to win?xD

ewing
07-20-2017, 08:12 AM
"From scams to money grams
I got juniors who want to wire me
You think you know but really don't
Put it in your diary"

I'm not the one. I ain't a groupie. Se how your name is Ewing...after an NBA player. See mine. That's after me.

"Don't follow no negro, that's h-- s---man.
Stand on your own two, do yo s--- man.

what the **** are you talking about?

Vee-Rex
07-20-2017, 09:42 AM
Man...your just exposing your own inner feelings dude. I haven't tweeted in like 5 years. Even then, when I did, I used it as my own promotional tool. I tweeted at Steven a once when I didn't agree. Never at an athlete. I don't get star struck ever. Don't care about players off the court. Likewise I don't hate on them for "dumb" stuff they do off the court. My living room tv is where their hype begins and ends. If they are hooping I want to watch, if they are in the streets, I'm not paying attention.
I guess you "real fans" don't understand this simple concept.

You're hopelessly star struck. It's why you're trying sooooo hard to convince me that you're not. :laugh2:

Vee-Rex
07-20-2017, 09:46 AM
So you are a Cavs fan or Wolves or you are just jumping around to whoever has a big chance to win?xD

Pretty much. I'm sure he'd be a Warriors fan right now but he's too busy slobberin' all over Bron's dick to do that.

IKnowHoops
07-20-2017, 10:48 AM
So you are a Cavs fan or Wolves or you are just jumping around to whoever has a big chance to win?xD

Do the Wolves have a big chance to win. Did they last year? Fan of Bron. Fan of Wolves. Fan of Spurs. Wish the best for all 3 in that order.

IKnowHoops
07-20-2017, 10:49 AM
what the **** are you talking about?

Oh I forgot, it's you. Get you a-- enrolled in school boi.

IKnowHoops
07-20-2017, 10:50 AM
You're hopelessly star struck. It's why you're trying sooooo hard to convince me that you're not. :laugh2:

Oh you poor tool of a child. I don't try hard at anything for you.

IKnowHoops
07-20-2017, 10:52 AM
Pretty much. I'm sure he'd be a Warriors fan right now but he's too busy slobberin' all over Bron's dick to do that.

Wow, this kid is crying mad right now. And yeah ur upset cause u don't have a Cavs post while Bron was in Miami. Your a hypocritical bum. A pure joke of a human being. Show us a Cavs post sucker.

AllBall
07-20-2017, 10:53 AM
Thread is wayyy off topic now. :rolleyes:

Vee-Rex
07-20-2017, 12:38 PM
Wow, this kid is crying mad right now. And yeah ur upset cause u don't have a Cavs post while Bron was in Miami. Your a hypocritical bum. A pure joke of a human being. Show us a Cavs post sucker.

You would definitely be a Warriors fan for sure.

As for me, admittedly I rarely posted in the main forum when I started my account. Most of my posts were in the Cavs forum. Even then, I'm a bigger Browns fan and had many more in the Browns forum.

It would be like finding a needle through a haystack. I tried anyway though and found something in a thread entitled, "Where Will Cleveland Stand" dated July 2013.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?828594-Where-will-Cleveland-stand/page6

There were a few other threads (especially pertaining to Kyrie) where I posted a lot, but other than those, I didn't post much. The Cavs weren't really a hot topic on this forum at that time anyway.

Fun stuff: I did find lol please with Lakers-oriented posts. And you, my friend, posted solely about the Heat and absolutely nothing regarding the Wolves.

So you were a Heat fan, Cavs fan, now Wolves/Cavs fan. Keep bandwagoning, nub. :laugh2:

nastynice
07-20-2017, 01:16 PM
I coulda sworn iknowhoops was a grizz fan.

Damn, no wonder all those grizz jokes never stung you, I didn't know you were a bandwagoner.

If you're bandwagoning anyway, why not jump on the wagon that looks like they may be the best team to have ever played?

Or is that one of those hate em in the moment, love em in the future type a things

ewing
07-20-2017, 01:44 PM
Oh I forgot, it's you. Get you a-- enrolled in school boi.


What???????????

Hawkeye15
07-20-2017, 03:10 PM
What???????????

it's Asian, for "boy"

GoferKing_
07-20-2017, 04:29 PM
Do the Wolves have a big chance to win. Did they last year? Fan of Bron. Fan of Wolves. Fan of Spurs. Wish the best for all 3 in that order.

Damn, nice bandwagooooon.xD

GoferKing_
07-20-2017, 04:33 PM
You would definitely be a Warriors fan for sure.

As for me, admittedly I rarely posted in the main forum when I started my account. Most of my posts were in the Cavs forum. Even then, I'm a bigger Browns fan and had many more in the Browns forum.

It would be like finding a needle through a haystack. I tried anyway though and found something in a thread entitled, "Where Will Cleveland Stand" dated July 2013.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?828594-Where-will-Cleveland-stand/page6

There were a few other threads (especially pertaining to Kyrie) where I posted a lot, but other than those, I didn't post much. The Cavs weren't really a hot topic on this forum at that time anyway.

Fun stuff: I did find lol please with Lakers-oriented posts. And you, my friend, posted solely about the Heat and absolutely nothing regarding the Wolves.

So you were a Heat fan, Cavs fan, now Wolves/Cavs fan. Keep bandwagoning, nub. :laugh2:

IKH is pure gold. :laugh:

Scoots
07-21-2017, 02:11 AM
You would definitely be a Warriors fan for sure.

As for me, admittedly I rarely posted in the main forum when I started my account. Most of my posts were in the Cavs forum. Even then, I'm a bigger Browns fan and had many more in the Browns forum.

It would be like finding a needle through a haystack. I tried anyway though and found something in a thread entitled, "Where Will Cleveland Stand" dated July 2013.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?828594-Where-will-Cleveland-stand/page6

There were a few other threads (especially pertaining to Kyrie) where I posted a lot, but other than those, I didn't post much. The Cavs weren't really a hot topic on this forum at that time anyway.

Fun stuff: I did find lol please with Lakers-oriented posts. And you, my friend, posted solely about the Heat and absolutely nothing regarding the Wolves.

So you were a Heat fan, Cavs fan, now Wolves/Cavs fan. Keep bandwagoning, nub. :laugh2:

I'd love to see that ... he reported me for saying he was a Lakers fan :)

Saddletramp
07-21-2017, 02:31 AM
I'd love to see that ... he reported me for saying he was a Lakers fan :)

Reported.

ewing
07-21-2017, 08:12 AM
it's Asian, for "boy"



thanks

eDush
07-21-2017, 09:59 AM
I'd love to see that ... he reported me for saying he was a Lakers fan :)

Reported.I didn't report him but I should...:nod:

ewing
07-21-2017, 10:24 AM
can i report IKH for being 30 and writing boi?

Vee-Rex
07-21-2017, 10:36 AM
I didn't report him but I should...:nod:

You used to be a Cavs fan - bro, what happened? :(

WaDe03
07-21-2017, 11:35 AM
You would definitely be a Warriors fan for sure.

As for me, admittedly I rarely posted in the main forum when I started my account. Most of my posts were in the Cavs forum. Even then, I'm a bigger Browns fan and had many more in the Browns forum.

It would be like finding a needle through a haystack. I tried anyway though and found something in a thread entitled, "Where Will Cleveland Stand" dated July 2013.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?828594-Where-will-Cleveland-stand/page6

There were a few other threads (especially pertaining to Kyrie) where I posted a lot, but other than those, I didn't post much. The Cavs weren't really a hot topic on this forum at that time anyway.

Fun stuff: I did find lol please with Lakers-oriented posts. And you, my friend, posted solely about the Heat and absolutely nothing regarding the Wolves.

So you were a Heat fan, Cavs fan, now Wolves/Cavs fan. Keep bandwagoning, nub. :laugh2:

:dance:

WaDe03
07-21-2017, 11:37 AM
You used to be a Cavs fan - bro, what happened? :(

Did he really lol? I'm bandwagon but at least I'm open about it. It will stop when the legend himself stops.

Scoots
07-21-2017, 11:58 AM
You used to be a Cavs fan - bro, what happened? :(

You are going to get reported ... he said he didn't report me, but he did. Later I got a mod gig and I think being reported by LOLP and eD may have actually helped :)

Vee-Rex
07-21-2017, 12:35 PM
Did he really lol? I'm bandwagon but at least I'm open about it. It will stop when the legend himself stops.

Yeah, he has a number of posts in the Cavs forum years ago.

Vee-Rex
07-21-2017, 12:36 PM
You are going to get reported ... he said he didn't report me, but he did. Later I got a mod gig and I think being reported by LOLP and eD may have actually helped :)

I better stop, heh.

OT: We start thinking about a post-LeBron world post-LeBron. :D

HandsOnTheWheel
07-21-2017, 02:29 PM
This offseason might have looked a lot brighter if they cut their losses with Korver and let him walk, forget about Calderon and whatever else junk they signed and just invest that money in 3 and D guys. That huge hole became a lot wider and they clearly got worse from last year. Might still have time to trade some of these clowns for better pieces but they are clearly on the clock.

Scoots
07-21-2017, 04:14 PM
Now?

FlashBolt
07-21-2017, 04:16 PM
Damn, IKH is a Cavs, Spurs, and Wolves fan? I mean, Wolves? Since when! Holy hell. I'm a fan of the OKC, whichever team LeBron is on, and young players who I think are humble (Kawhi, Giannis, Lonzo). But I think it's beyond bandwagon to be a fan of teams that are stacked with talent. That's not a "fan."

mngopher35
07-21-2017, 04:53 PM
Now?

haha came in here to post this

LA4life24/8
07-21-2017, 05:25 PM
Right now

nastynice
07-21-2017, 09:48 PM
Did he really lol? I'm bandwagon but at least I'm open about it. It will stop when the legend himself stops.

He barely 28, got his first chip, and got done ****ting on the consensus best player in the league...the legend ain't ending anytime soon

Chronz
07-22-2017, 12:12 AM
This is why I'm becoming a fan of no team. Who gives a ****, NBAFIRST

FlashBolt
07-22-2017, 12:18 AM
This is why I'm becoming a fan of no team. Who gives a ****, NBAFIRST

Whichever is easiest.. you know how it is..

nastynice
07-22-2017, 03:54 AM
meh, I wouldn't say him ****tin on lebron was easy. I mean, don't forget, he IS one of the best players to have ever played this game.



I guess he DID make it look easy, but don't let that fool you, lol

FlashBolt
07-22-2017, 04:00 AM
meh, I wouldn't say him ****tin on lebron was easy. I mean, don't forget, he IS one of the best players to have ever played this game.



I guess he DID make it look easy, but don't let that fool you, lol

Yeah.. don't bother being sarcastic again cause you're not good at it.

nastynice
07-22-2017, 04:49 AM
Yeah.. don't bother being sarcastic again cause you're not good at it.

I'm not being sarcastic. I'm honestly telling you, just cuz he made it look easy doesn't mean it actually was. You need to show lebron a little more respect

Saddletramp
07-22-2017, 06:27 AM
You can't "make it look easy" when you ran to an already put together all timer team. If he made it "look easy" when he was in OKC or somewhere else, fine. In Golden State? Of course he was going to do well.


We'll never know if he could lead a team to a championship as the top guy because he's never leaving GS. He turned into such a *****.

IKnowHoops
07-22-2017, 07:20 AM
I better stop, heh.

OT: We start thinking about a post-LeBron world post-LeBron. :D

Duh

ewing
07-22-2017, 07:44 AM
This is why I'm becoming a fan of no team. Who gives a ****, NBAFIRST

you're a clipper fan.

eDush
07-22-2017, 09:21 AM
You can't "make it look easy" when you ran to an already put together all timer team. If he made it "look easy" when he was in OKC or somewhere else, fine. In Golden State? Of course he was going to do well.

We'll never know if he could lead a team to a championship as the top guy because he's never leaving GS. He turned into such a *****.Then why not use OKC where he started to answer that? Did he lead when Harden was there and did he lead after he left?

If you can't figure that out by now, then I doubt you ever will beside being upset he chose the Dubs where it's not about leading, it's about winning as a team, trust me on this :nod:

nastynice
07-22-2017, 11:50 AM
You can't "make it look easy" when you ran to an already put together all timer team. If he made it "look easy" when he was in OKC or somewhere else, fine. In Golden State? Of course he was going to do well.


We'll never know if he could lead a team to a championship as the top guy because he's never leaving GS. He turned into such a *****.

Yes you can. When the other team has a finals win sewed up and you just non chalantly brig the ball down the court and bust that **** a couple times in the last minute for the win, it's called making it easy. Watch the replay, that boy was chewing gum when he hit that ****, lol!

We already saw him lead a team to a chip, so I don't know what ur talking about. It's like me bashing lebron for having zero rings, cuz joining two all stars means it don't count, lmao!!! I can scream it as loud as I want, doesn't take his 3 rings away, and while I see you don't agree with me, trust me, one day you gonna get tired of screaming and just gonna have to accept reality

See, before they talked about things. Talked about this is what we gonna do, talked about this is how many rings we gonna get. GS is diff, nobody talked about 16-1. They just did it. The only thing talked about here is everyone's hunger

LivinLakers
07-22-2017, 11:53 AM
Damn, IKH is a Cavs, Spurs, and Wolves fan? I mean, Wolves? Since when! Holy hell. I'm a fan of the OKC, whichever team LeBron is on, and young players who I think are humble (Kawhi, Giannis, Lonzo). But I think it's beyond bandwagon to be a fan of teams that are stacked with talent. That's not a "fan."
RESPECT!!! That is a true fan of the game. Not nearly enough of them out there.

Chronz
07-22-2017, 12:59 PM
Then why not use OKC where he started to answer that? Did he lead when Harden was there and did he lead after he left?

If you can't figure that out by now, then I doubt you ever will beside being upset he chose the Dubs where it's not about leading, it's about winning as a team, trust me on this :nod:

He underachieved in OKC tho..... Of course he won with the most stacked supporting cast ever imagined(this level of team hopping will truly never be topped), the question is of him ever leading a team like his talent suggested he may have been capable of.

Saddletramp
07-22-2017, 02:28 PM
Then why not use OKC where he started to answer that? Did he lead when Harden was there and did he lead after he left?

If you can't figure that out by now, then I doubt you ever will beside being upset he chose the Dubs where it's not about leading, it's about winning as a team, trust me on this :nod:

Because he didn't win the championship in OKC? He wasn't good enough until he got on the Warriors.....who didn't need him. If they don't need you to win and you're just the cherry on top, then you're not "making it look easy".

Saddletramp
07-22-2017, 02:31 PM
Yes you can. When the other team has a finals win sewed up and you just non chalantly brig the ball down the court and bust that **** a couple times in the last minute for the win, it's called making it easy. Watch the replay, that boy was chewing gum when he hit that ****, lol!

We already saw him lead a team to a chip, so I don't know what ur talking about. It's like me bashing lebron for having zero rings, cuz joining two all stars means it don't count, lmao!!! I can scream it as loud as I want, doesn't take his 3 rings away, and while I see you don't agree with me, trust me, one day you gonna get tired of screaming and just gonna have to accept reality

See, before they talked about things. Talked about this is what we gonna do, talked about this is how many rings we gonna get. GS is diff, nobody talked about 16-1. They just did it. The only thing talked about here is everyone's hunger

Sewed up? The Cavs were up 10 with 10 seconds to go? What a stupid comment.

You're not "leading a team to a chip" when they didn't need you to win. And Bosh and Wade wouldn't have won **** without Lebron, so stop trying to equate the two. Another stupid comment.

And yeah, they wanted the perfect 16-0. Don't tell me any team with Draymond doesn't talk. Even Klay and Steph were talking. God damn this is all so stupid.

eDush
07-22-2017, 02:46 PM
Then why not use OKC where he started to answer that? Did he lead when Harden was there and did he lead after he left?

If you can't figure that out by now, then I doubt you ever will beside being upset he chose the Dubs where it's not about leading, it's about winning as a team, trust me on this :nod:

He underachieved in OKC tho..... Of course he won with the most stacked supporting cast ever imagined(this level of team hopping will truly never be topped), the question is of him ever leading a team like his talent suggested he may have been capable of.To be blunt, he and his sidekick choked when up 3-1 and then lose the series they way they did. Can chokers lead a team or if given the same opportunity on another team where he has to lead, I think you know the answer to that one. He's not the only one as their are many who can't handle the pressure, even great players. If you're still pondering like the guy I was responding to, then maybe I should have a few drinks and ponder as well...
:drunk:

eDush
07-22-2017, 02:58 PM
Deleted since it is pointless:(

nastynice
07-23-2017, 09:16 PM
Sewed up? The Cavs were up 10 with 10 seconds to go? What a stupid comment.

You're not "leading a team to a chip" when they didn't need you to win. And Bosh and Wade wouldn't have won **** without Lebron, so stop trying to equate the two. Another stupid comment.

And yeah, they wanted the perfect 16-0. Don't tell me any team with Draymond doesn't talk. Even Klay and Steph were talking. God damn this is all so stupid.

Haha, they just wanted 16 wins, I stay watching their interviews with csn Bay Area. After chasing the record last year, it was an afterthought this year

JasonJohnHorn
07-23-2017, 09:49 PM
I think now. Now sounds like a good option.

Saddletramp
07-24-2017, 04:18 AM
Haha, they just wanted 16 wins, I stay watching their interviews with csn Bay Area. After chasing the record last year, it was an afterthought this year

So they just assumed they were winning it all? And that's not talking ****? You get worse and worse.

nastynice
07-24-2017, 04:24 AM
...the hell??

Saddletramp
07-24-2017, 04:48 AM
...the hell??

If those players in their interviews know they were winning and it was "an afterthought", then yeah, that cockiness is all constituted as talking ****.