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KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 09:43 PM
I still hate you Hunter. Even outside of the Raider forum you are too fast for me!!

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KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 09:44 PM
Haha he will be signing with the Lakers in 2018. No way he signs an extension in OKC.

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tredigs
06-30-2017, 09:44 PM
Wow - very interesting and also pretty disappointing. I wanted him on an Eastern contender. What good players were left in the East are now gone smh.

HunterNRoss
06-30-2017, 09:44 PM
Ramona Shelburne‏Verified account @ramonashelburne 1m1 minute ago
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Paul George has been traded to OKC, per sources

tredigs
06-30-2017, 09:45 PM
For what it's worth, I highly doubt PG will stay in OKC after next season. What do you guys think?

HunterNRoss
06-30-2017, 09:45 PM
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Paul George coming to Oklahoma City via trade, I can confirm. Oladipo and Sabonis headed to Indy. @ramonashelburne first reported.

GREATNESS ONE
06-30-2017, 09:45 PM
Now let's see if he likes to play with Westy enough to bring him to LA too, or..... na. I don't see PG re-signing in OKC.

Htownballa1622
06-30-2017, 09:46 PM
Oladipo and sabonis

LA4life24/8
06-30-2017, 09:46 PM
WhaaaaT

cheetos185
06-30-2017, 09:46 PM
Wow rental I guess even than Westbrook and PG13 the west keeps getting stronger.

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aman_13
06-30-2017, 09:47 PM
Everyone go to the West lol. Love it haha.

cheetos185
06-30-2017, 09:48 PM
Lol ainge can't get anyone no butler no pg oh well there is still melo and hayward left.

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lakerfan85
06-30-2017, 09:48 PM
Lol!! Sabonis and Oladipo?

tredigs
06-30-2017, 09:48 PM
Dipo&sabonis gets pg13? Maaan. Lol. Lots of weak deals for stars

He's an expiring free agent. 3 years of Sabonis on a nothing contract + 4 years of 'Dipo through his prime is not a terrible get for a guy they knew they were losing in 8 months.

LA4life24/8
06-30-2017, 09:50 PM
Dipo&sabonis gets pg13? Maaan. Lol. Lots of weak deals for stars

cheetos185
06-30-2017, 09:50 PM
Everyone go to the West lol. Love it haha.
Maybe LeBron ordered them to tire out warriors as much as possible.

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aman_13
06-30-2017, 09:50 PM
What kind of return is that though?

KnickNyKnick
06-30-2017, 09:52 PM
i like this for OKC even for just one year will be interesting. Now lets get Melo there for 2 2nd rounders.

tredigs
06-30-2017, 09:52 PM
Wowzers. Is that really better than what was offered by the lakers? Well at least he's not going there and having crazy success

Highly doubt the Lakers were offering Ingram or even Randle + a pick and a player to match salary (who would have to be Deng... which is a negative for a team to take on). 'Dipo + Sabonis really isn't a bad get, but it does show us that Ainge is just fully against going against the Cavs. Really lame if you ask me.

Laker Legend42
06-30-2017, 09:52 PM
Wowzers. Is that really better than what was offered by the lakers? Well at least he's not going there and having crazy success

homie564
06-30-2017, 09:54 PM
Dipo&sabonis gets pg13? Maaan. Lol. Lots of weak deals for stars

Oladipo is a good player. But this doesn't make sense... only thing I can think of is that George didn't agree to an extension in Boston. There's no way Boston wouldn't have topped this otherwise


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Chewbacca
06-30-2017, 09:54 PM
As a Lakers fan, I'm ecstatic lol

OKC is a small market, they probably won't get past the second round, and he'll probably not like playing with Westbrook haha

Raps18-19 Champ
06-30-2017, 09:55 PM
Lol that's it?

Would've given Powell and JV for him.

aman_13
06-30-2017, 09:55 PM
Yeah PG expiring is why the return is underwhelming but man with all the rumors out there about Brown and Tatum and multiple picks, this sure is anticlimactic.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 09:55 PM
Wow.

tredigs
06-30-2017, 09:55 PM
Oladipo is a good player. But this doesn't make sense... only thing I can think of is that George didn't agree to an extension in Boston. There's no way Boston wouldn't have topped this otherwise


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It's Ainge. What decisions has he made that makes you think he would offer anything better? But no, I'm sure he did not want to sign his extension until after he was on another team (if at all). And rightfully so. I would have been very surprised if he left Boston, though. They dropped the ball huge here. They could have been the 1b at WORST in the East. Now, Giannis is the only elite wing left in the East. West is so loaded it's ridiculous.

J4KOP99
06-30-2017, 09:56 PM
Like it from okc standpoint.

-ainge misses out again. I wonder what he offered.

mngopher35
06-30-2017, 09:57 PM
Wow, crazy that's all it took

KB24PG16
06-30-2017, 09:58 PM
biggest loser in this trade is boston once again. okc got a trash deal that oladipo contract is bad, not future picks either wow. glad to see westbrook get a teammate, lets see what they can do

mngopher35
06-30-2017, 09:58 PM
Does OKC have cap for Blake Griffin?

I don't think so but I thought about this too. Maybe they can use kanter a contract and picks etc in sign and trade. Doc might take kanter right?

KnickNyKnick
06-30-2017, 09:58 PM
#SuperTeam!

WaDe03
06-30-2017, 09:58 PM
Wow that's it? I bet some teams are sick they didn't get in on this. Would've loved to see him on the Cavs or Rockets.

Melos going to be everyone's target now that didn't get PG.

Happy for you Flashbolt. To see that vagina Durant make the softest move in sports history in one summer to now getting PG and oladipos 21M off the books must be a good feeling.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 09:59 PM
biggest loser in this trade is boston once again. okc got a trash deal that oladipo contract is bad, not future picks either wow. glad to see westbrook get a teammate, lets see what they can do

At what point do we stop praising Ainge as a great GM, and start questioning some of his inability to make deals?

D-Leethal
06-30-2017, 09:59 PM
Does OKC have cap for Blake Griffin?

WaDe03
06-30-2017, 09:59 PM
Won't be surprised at all to see Hayward to Miami now. Huge blow to the Celtics imo.

tredigs
06-30-2017, 09:59 PM
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Lol just imagine the talent that is going to be left OFF the Western Conference All Star Team. It's very possible one of Jimmy Butler or PG13 don't even make the All Star Team.

shep33
06-30-2017, 10:00 PM
This is hilarious.

tredigs
06-30-2017, 10:00 PM
Yea, we're still alive lmao.

It's a HUGE win for the Lakers. Had he gone to Boston, I don't think he's leaving. On OKC where he knows they still can't contend (though they should be very solid)? Yeah, I think this is a rental.

tp13baby
06-30-2017, 10:01 PM
Ainge should be fired. He has too many assets to not of topped this. The west is unreal..

Lakers + Giants
06-30-2017, 10:01 PM
Yea, we're still alive lmao.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:01 PM
Oh and this might work out to OKC's favor. 2 guys that can come off the books next year.

Best case:
Westbrook is who PG13 was recruiting to play with him in LALA land, and he falls in love with the OKC fans. Gets another guy or two to come to OKC with them and they reup.

Worst case:
Both walk, OKC finds a way to move Adams and Kanter, and they have all their picks and a clear cap to restart with.

AllBall
06-30-2017, 10:01 PM
At what point do we stop praising Ainge as a great GM, and start questioning some of his inability to make deals?

lol just lol @ Ainge

Stacking all those assets, can't get crap done

Couldn't hold Riley's jockstrap

More-Than-Most
06-30-2017, 10:02 PM
lol just another scared of lebron

LA4life24/8
06-30-2017, 10:02 PM
Does OKC have cap for Blake Griffin?

He's re upping in lac

Lakers + Giants
06-30-2017, 10:02 PM
CP3+Harden

PG+Wesbrook

Damn, that's pretty fun.

Laker Legend42
06-30-2017, 10:02 PM
biggest loser in this trade is boston once again. okc got a trash deal that oladipo contract is bad, not future picks either wow. glad to see westbrook get a teammate, lets see what they can do

It's almost like Boston his afraid of going all in. You can't compete for a championship and hold on to picks. Last season they drafted 8 rookies. It seems like ainge is making sure they don't end up in the same boat they were in at the end of the 80's

KB24PG16
06-30-2017, 10:02 PM
At what point do we stop praising Ainge as a great GM, and start questioning some of his inability to make deals?

I've never thought he was excellent. most celtics fans on this forum drink ainge's koolaid though they're all about the picks

tp13baby
06-30-2017, 10:02 PM
No to OKC having cap space. Kanter is the one holding them back from being a top 4 seed now. Find a taker and bring in Blake.

Adams
Griffin
Pg
Roberson
Westbrook

More-Than-Most
06-30-2017, 10:02 PM
At what point do we stop praising Ainge as a great GM, and start questioning some of his inability to make deals?

na bro... ainge is genius... watched butler and PG13 go for much less than they should have. Ainge is legit trash

tredigs
06-30-2017, 10:02 PM
lol just another scared of lebron

Would be a relevant post if him or Jimmy Butler were free agents and simply left the conference. Unfortunately, they were traded. Just more easy driving Finals appearances for 'Bron and the All Stars coming up.

shep33
06-30-2017, 10:03 PM
0% chance he stays.

shep33
06-30-2017, 10:04 PM
And yeah, if you're a Celts fan... you have to wonder what is going on.

Laker Legend42
06-30-2017, 10:04 PM
I've never thought he was excellent. most celtics fans on this forum drink ainge's koolaid though they're all about the picks
I think it's more won't than can't. Picks are only valuable if you use them. I think he overvalues his assets.

More-Than-Most
06-30-2017, 10:04 PM
0% chance he stays.

this just is false... He has westy... if he gets another top player there i doubt he goes from a team with a chance to a team 4 years away at best.

D Blue987
06-30-2017, 10:05 PM
Live look at the Boston FO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:06 PM
Live look at the Boston FO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

I was going to go with:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStlSsYFWf4aAj-NxbBrRv4uFLRXRHboepgILyd0jWQ_HooJ38r2Q

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:06 PM
Ainge should be fired. He has too many assets to not of topped this. The west is unreal..

The Celtics have selected in the lottery 2 years in a row and there's now a solid chance they will have two more top 5 picks next year... all while being a playoff team and even making a conference final. He brought in the guy who finished 5th in the MVP race this past year for essentially nothing, and has basically an infinite amount of assets. Why would he deal elite assets for Paul George on a rental? If reports are correct the pacers were asking for a completely ridiculous amount of assets, especially if George didn't agree to an extension... but yeah let's fire him


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tredigs
06-30-2017, 10:07 PM
this just is false... He has westy... if he gets another top player there i doubt he goes from a team with a chance to a team 4 years away at best.

They can't even afford to keep PG next season by the looks of it to me. With Dipo + Sabonis (24 million in contracts) they were projected to be the third highest in the NBA next season (and over the cap) at 106 million. Now, if they wanted to sign PG13, they would have to go to 120 million range (WAYYYYY over the cap and into repeater tax area at that). They have a 0% chance to sign an even marginal free agent if that math is right, let alone a star.

KB24PG16
06-30-2017, 10:07 PM
hayward should just cancel his meeting with the celtics lmao

mightybosstone
06-30-2017, 10:07 PM
No idea how I feel about this yet. Presti went all-in, which I can certainly appreciate. But as much as George as expressed a desire to leave for LA in the offseason and as small a market as OKC is, I just have a really hard time seeing him signing a long-term deal with the Thunder. I do think OKC can be a force in the West, but even with George, I'm not sure that I pick them over the Rockets or Spurs.

On the other hand, they clearly weren't getting much out of Oladipo, who should at least get more of a chance to shine on a roster not next to Westbrook. And Sabonis was still a pretty long way from being relevant. So, I kind of think this was a chance worth taking for the Thunder. And I'm admittedly surprised that this is all it took for the Pacers to deal George. Could Boston and LA really not beat that trade? Were they really that unwilling to part with their assets?

tredigs
06-30-2017, 10:08 PM
This site not even being able to properly quote a poster in order is so frustrating and pathetic.

More-Than-Most
06-30-2017, 10:08 PM
Would be a relevant post if him or Jimmy Butler were free agents and simply left the conference. Unfortunately, they were traded. Just more easy driving Finals appearances for 'Bron and the All Stars coming up.

not as easy as durant and curry have it when you factor in the help they have playing in a more stacked conference


hardest road

lebron out east---------------------------------------->warriors against anyone because they have a dream team. Its called logic

shep33
06-30-2017, 10:08 PM
this just is false... He has westy... if he gets another top player there i doubt he goes from a team with a chance to a team 4 years away at best.

I just don't see it working. Not only that, Russ is gonna be a free agent too lol.

I think PG will test the market to say the least. I also think he doesn't want to be a sidekick to Russ.

Plus OKC is still like 5-6 seed at best.

numba1CHANGsta
06-30-2017, 10:08 PM
So who's starting for the East next season for the all-star game? lol

xnick5757
06-30-2017, 10:08 PM
Even if he walks after this year what a steal for OKC. Get out from that horrid Dipo contract

More-Than-Most
06-30-2017, 10:08 PM
hayward should just cancel his meeting with the celtics lmao

ainge is such a *******... like he really is.

5ass
06-30-2017, 10:09 PM
Lola this is the package they got for ibaka. What a steal. Pacers, Celtics and the magic are the losers in this trade lol.

More-Than-Most
06-30-2017, 10:09 PM
Ainge... Doesnt call for butler before traded... Check
Ainge... Lets OKC bend indiana over... check

But yo... he kept crowder :shrug:

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:10 PM
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Lol just imagine the talent that is going to be left OFF the Western Conference All Star Team. It's very possible one of Jimmy Butler or PG13 don't even make the All Star Team.

What sucks about this too is it's not like it's a mass exodus FA walk over to the west....eastern teams are literally giving away their star players to west teams.

Damn....If I was a star FA right now I would go to an EC team easily. Talk about Cakewalk regular season and at least 1 playoff round win. This looks to be now 3 playoff teams from last year taking a huge hit.

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:10 PM
Ainge... Doesnt call for butler before traded... Check
Ainge... Lets OKC bend indiana over... check

But yo... he kept crowder :shrug:

I don't think Crowder was the sticking point... I think what probably happened is Indiana was asking for way more from Boston and took less to trade PG to the West


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xnick5757
06-30-2017, 10:11 PM
Ainge... Doesnt call for butler before traded... Check
Ainge... Lets OKC bend indiana over... check

But yo... he kept crowder :shrug:


East is so weak now though that I'm not sure it matters tbh. If Kyrie or Love goes down Celtics probably end up in the Finals.

It's crazy how talented the West is now

D Blue987
06-30-2017, 10:11 PM
this just is false... He has westy... if he gets another top player there i doubt he goes from a team with a chance to a team 4 years away at best.

Huge IF. OKC is maxed over the cap for this year. This seems to be more about dumping Oladipos long term deal in case Westbrook and now George leave in a year. We will see what else the Thunder do. Certainly a fantastic deal for the Thunder. A very bad one imo for the Pacers. Too much money for a better than average player but not quite a star.

Lakers + Giants
06-30-2017, 10:11 PM
They're going to test out playing together and then they both coming over!

Let me dream!

Jamiecballer
06-30-2017, 10:11 PM
what a ****ing weird destination. okc is going to be a lottery team in 12 months time.

Lakers + Giants
06-30-2017, 10:12 PM
So who's starting for the East next season for the all-star game? lol

76ers and Cavs

KB24PG16
06-30-2017, 10:12 PM
I think it's more won't than can't. Picks are only valuable if you use them. I think he overvalues his assets.
ainge has had 22 first round picks that have resulted in 0 all-stars for the celtics, granted many of those picks haven't been high, but ainge's strong suit definitely isn't drafting. the best thing he's ever done in a draft is trading their pick for a star in ray allen in 2007. massive failure if he really intends on waiting out the warriors to make a move, he's an even lesser competitor than kd. total cupcake moves

tredigs
06-30-2017, 10:12 PM
What sucks about this too is it's not like it's a mass exodus FA walk over to the west....eastern teams are literally giving away their star players to west teams.

Damn....If I was a star FA right now I would go to an EC team easily. Talk about Cakewalk regular season and at least 1 playoff round win. This looks to be now 3 playoff teams from last year taking a huge hit.

Without question, and a guaranteed all star birth if you're a half decent player (which has major salary implications under the current CBA). I'm sure we will start seeing this happen as players grow wise to what's happening.

AllBall
06-30-2017, 10:13 PM
Live look at the Boston FO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

And now a closer look at the unfolding events:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5TxeM5h0fw

Lakers + Giants
06-30-2017, 10:13 PM
At this rate 76ers looking like a top 4 seed. HCA ftw.

KB24PG16
06-30-2017, 10:14 PM
This site not even being able to properly quote a poster in order is so frustrating and pathetic.

this forum has gone down in quality significantly recently

Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:15 PM
Lol ainge can't get anyone no butler no pg oh well there is still melo and hayward left.

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No one wants Melo lol.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:15 PM
At this rate 76ers looking like a top 4 seed. HCA ftw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFloZbT99oE

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 10:15 PM
WTF, Ainge gotta act on that. I'm 100% supportive of not giving up the lottery picks for Butler, Cousins, etc. That's just smart. If you're not going to be as good as CLE or GS you shouldn't make those type of moves with those type of high upside assets. But this is a bargain basement price. Oladipo is a good player but a terrible contract and I like Sabonis but he's nothing special I don't think. Even for a rental you gotta top that.

tredigs
06-30-2017, 10:16 PM
Ironically Westbrook may see that OKC can't even afford PG13 next season (without some SERIOUS gymnastics), and he may just go ahead and exercise his player option to join the Lakers along with Paul George. I would be shocked if the two do not at least discuss this over the course of the season. The Lakers will have 65 million in cap space, they could pull it off.

LA4life24/8
06-30-2017, 10:17 PM
A+ for the thunder

D- (being generous)

Even if pg13 leaves thunder next year they got rid of dipos contract... great deal for thunder.

Jeffy25
06-30-2017, 10:18 PM
They gave up basically nothing for him.

But again, like with Houston, I don't see the fit.

The West got better, but still nobody is gonna top GSW, and LeBron is going to walk to the WCSF to face Boston, and likely not have an issue.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:18 PM
WTF, Ainge gotta act on that. I'm 100% supportive of not giving up the lottery picks for Butler, Cousins, etc. That's just smart. If you're not going to be as good as CLE or GS you shouldn't make those type of moves with those type of high upside assets. But this is a bargain basement price. Oladipo is a good player but a terrible contract and I like Sabonis but he's nothing special I don't think. Even for a rental you gotta top that.

You gotta feel like at some point other GM's are telling Ainge to **** off and taking these other deals to flip off Ainge.

sens#11fan
06-30-2017, 10:18 PM
Sam Presti is an amazing GM when it comes to acquiring and drafting talent; too bad he hasn't had much success in sustaining it. If only the OKC owners weren't so cheap. I wouldn't be surprised to see OKC moved back to Seattle within the next 10 years/

aman_13
06-30-2017, 10:19 PM
this forum has gone down in quality significantly recently

And posts don't always go through.

D Blue987
06-30-2017, 10:19 PM
No idea how I feel about this yet. Presti went all-in, which I can certainly appreciate. But as much as George as expressed a desire to leave for LA in the offseason and as small a market as OKC is, I just have a really hard time seeing him signing a long-term deal with the Thunder. I do think OKC can be a force in the West, but even with George, I'm not sure that I pick them over the Rockets or Spurs.

On the other hand, they clearly weren't getting much out of Oladipo, who should at least get more of a chance to shine on a roster not next to Westbrook. And Sabonis was still a pretty long way from being relevant. So, I kind of think this was a chance worth taking for the Thunder. And I'm admittedly surprised that this is all it took for the Pacers to deal George. Could Boston and LA really not beat that trade? Were they really that unwilling to part with their assets?

Boston certainly could have and I don't think the Pacers were ever going to give in to George's demands and be traded to LA just out of pure spite. What the Lakers were offering for him was far and away better than what Indiana ended up with. Everyone knew the return would be bad and although the names going back are not bad, Oladipo is not a guy you want to be paying 20 million for the next 4 years...

D Blue987
06-30-2017, 10:20 PM
And now a closer look at the unfolding events:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5TxeM5h0fw

lmao!

Vee-Rex
06-30-2017, 10:21 PM
Congrats to the Thunder. I think they got a shot at retaining George if they want to go into the tax.

This is precisely why I said, since the deadline, Boston needs to acquire all-stars. ACQUIRE, ACQUIRE. Don't pass up on opportunities. If they already had Butler, it's likely George says he will sign an extension and it's likely Ainge puts the pieces together to get him before he's traded to the Thunder. Waiting and waiting does nothing.

Right now you'll have everyone tell you that it'll be hard for the Thunder to retain George, but I guarantee they are gonna wheel and deal, free up money, acquire draft picks, etc... in an attempt to add to the Westbrook/George core.

While Boston looks like idiots for passing on Fultz (and gonna have to sign Thomas) if they're gonna wait for the future. Smh.

D Blue987
06-30-2017, 10:21 PM
So who's starting for the East next season for the all-star game? lol

The FEDS and Lebron. lmao lmao!!

Crackadalic
06-30-2017, 10:21 PM
Biggest winner is Lebron. Dude can just chill in the east while everyone tanks and all the stars go out west

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:22 PM
The FEDS and Lebron. lmao lmao!!

No.....no no no no!

Markelle Mark and the Furkan Process.

Vee-Rex
06-30-2017, 10:23 PM
Ironically Westbrook may see that OKC can't even afford PG13 next season (without some SERIOUS gymnastics), and he may just go ahead and exercise his player option to join the Lakers along with Paul George. I would be shocked if the two do not at least discuss this over the course of the season. The Lakers will have 65 million in cap space, they could pull it off.

Completely agree. Thunder can't just stop at George and Westy right now. Those dudes might move over to LA next year.

Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:23 PM
You gotta feel like at some point other GM's are telling Ainge to **** off and taking these other deals to flip off Ainge.

No... they're taking the best deals for their franchise. They're not taking worse deals to spite Ainge lol.

still1ballin
06-30-2017, 10:23 PM
:dance:

sens#11fan
06-30-2017, 10:23 PM
The Celtics offered the Pacers 3 first round draft picks on draft night.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:23 PM
No... they're taking the best deals for their franchise. They're not taking worse deals to spite Ainge lol.

lol at Olandipo and Sabonis being better than what Ainge offered. Just lol.

D Blue987
06-30-2017, 10:23 PM
I legit feel Lebron could sit on the sidelines next season in CLE and his team would still get a top 3 seed in that sorry state of affairs in the East. Philly probably making the playoffs if they are healthy. Now if Lebron leaves Cleveland in a year to go out west, oooo man. That is Boston's and Philly's conference for years. hahaha.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:26 PM
I legit feel Lebron could sit on the sidelines next season in CLE and his team would still get a top 3 seed in that sorry state of affairs in the East. Philly probably making the playoffs if they are healthy. Now if Lebron leaves Cleveland in a year to go out west, oooo man. That is Boston's and Philly's conference for years. hahaha.

I just don't see a way Gordon Hayward doesn't go to Miami/Boston now.

Would Washington find a way to clear the space for Hayward? If they get Hayward with Wall and Beal it could be a very interesting conference.

Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:27 PM
lol at Olandipo and Sabonis being better than what Ainge offered. Just lol.

In the Pacers eyes, it was better than whatever the Celtics were offering.

If you actually think the Pacers took a worse deal just to "flip off" Ainge then I vastly misjudged you. I'm legitimately not sure how some of the terrible posters on here could think that, let alone you.

KB24PG16
06-30-2017, 10:28 PM
I legit feel Lebron could sit on the sidelines next season in CLE and his team would still get a top 3 seed in that sorry state of affairs in the East. Philly probably making the playoffs if they are healthy. Now if Lebron leaves Cleveland in a year to go out west, oooo man. That is Boston's and Philly's conference for years. hahaha.

the east been bad for so long, lebron making 8 straight finals trips isn't really a major accomplishment. i hope the nba doesnt air eastern conference games on national television next year, theres no point of watching.

cmellofan15
06-30-2017, 10:28 PM
Now people are complaining about the East? About two teams who barely made the playoffs lmao

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:28 PM
No... they're taking the best deals for their franchise. They're not taking worse deals to spite Ainge lol.

No... even Ainge isn't that stingy. They obviously were holding Boston to a different standard. I bet Boston had an offer that blew this away at some point... but something happened to make that either come off the table or Indiana is a bunch of spiteful idiots lol


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Jeffy25
06-30-2017, 10:29 PM
The Celtics have selected in the lottery 2 years in a row and there's now a solid chance they will have two more top 5 picks next year... all while being a playoff team and even making a conference final. He brought in the guy who finished 5th in the MVP race this past year for essentially nothing, and has basically an infinite amount of assets. Why would he deal elite assets for Paul George on a rental? If reports are correct the pacers were asking for a completely ridiculous amount of assets, especially if George didn't agree to an extension... but yeah let's fire him


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I agree with your sentiments, but the trade for PG was really light, Boston should have found a way considering how light it was.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:29 PM
No... even Ainge isn't that stingy. They obviously were holding Boston to a different standard. I bet Boston had an offer that blew this away at some point... but something happened to make that either come off the table or Indiana is a bunch of spiteful idiots lol


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Not holding him to a different standard, but man...all the rumored deals from the boston side in this....something went down.

tredigs
06-30-2017, 10:29 PM
Now people are complaining about the East? About two teams who barely made the playoffs lmao

About two All Star wings/'Bron's top competition who could have gone to the Celtics and competed for a title, but instead are now joining All Stars in the West. The East is so beyond pathetic from a talent standpoint now. The "All Star" team is going to be hilarious.

KnicksorBust
06-30-2017, 10:31 PM
I am happy for Westbrook

Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:31 PM
No... even Ainge isn't that stingy. They obviously were holding Boston to a different standard. I bet Boston had an offer that blew this away at some point... but something happened to make that either come off the table or Indiana is a bunch of spiteful idiots lol


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There is no way Boston had an offer on the table better than this one. No way.

This isn't grade school. An NBA GM wouldn't take a worse deal for his franchise just to piss off another GM. Like, just think about how ridiculous that is.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:32 PM
Now people are complaining about the East? About two teams who barely made the playoffs lmao

Sounds like Toronto might lose Lowry too and that's a definite hit. That's 3 playoff teams from the east losing key players. Not to mention Atlanta and Paul Millsap.

Pacers, Bulls, Hawks all might miss the playoffs, Raptors definitely taking a hit. IMO the locks for the playoffs in the east right now is Milwaukee, Cleveland, Boston, Washington. That's it. Toronto is very likely. So who fills the other 3 spots? A team that still wants to tank is going to make the playoffs by mistake and get ****ed.

CELTICS4LYFE
06-30-2017, 10:33 PM
Why'd Indy take back that ugly contract tho?

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:33 PM
There is no way Boston had an offer on the table better than this one. No way.

This isn't grade school. An NBA GM wouldn't take a worse deal for his franchise just to piss off another GM. Like, just think about how ridiculous that is.

How does that Ainge koolaide taste?

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:33 PM
Not holding him to a different standard, but man...all the rumored deals from the boston side in this....something went down.

I agree with you. I just honestly think something was out of DAs control on this. If Boston was truly leading with an offer of Bradley, Crowder, and even the Memphis/Clippers pick in 2019 (some rumors were even the Lakers/Sacramento pick may have been offered if an extension was agreed to), Indiana is realllllly dumb for taking this over that lol. Bradley and Crowder alone is probably better than this lol


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KB24PG16
06-30-2017, 10:34 PM
The Celtics have selected in the lottery 2 years in a row and there's now a solid chance they will have two more top 5 picks next year... all while being a playoff team and even making a conference final. He brought in the guy who finished 5th in the MVP race this past year for essentially nothing, and has basically an infinite amount of assets. Why would he deal elite assets for Paul George on a rental? If reports are correct the pacers were asking for a completely ridiculous amount of assets, especially if George didn't agree to an extension... but yeah let's fire him


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what about jimmy butler? 2 years on his deal and the wolves didn't give "elite assets" for him. ainge has a bunch of condoms in his pocket and no chicks

D Blue987
06-30-2017, 10:35 PM
the east been bad for so long, lebron making 8 straight finals trips isn't really a major accomplishment. i hope the nba doesnt air eastern conference games on national television next year, theres no point of watching.

As if to make my point...

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tredigs
06-30-2017, 10:36 PM
Why'd Indy take back that ugly contract tho?

It's for four more years through his prime (along with nothing for Sabonis for 3 years who could still end up very good), and it's going to be the 35th-40th highest in the NBA after next year. It's not bad.

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:36 PM
what about jimmy butler? 2 years on his deal and the wolves didn't give "elite assets" for him. ainge has a bunch of condoms in his pocket and no chicks

Chicago wanted #3 (Tatum) in a deal for Butler. That's an elite asset for basically a player who's not even getting you past Cleveland. Again, seemed basically like a team charging a premium to the richest customer.


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IKnowHoops
06-30-2017, 10:36 PM
This site not even being able to properly quote a poster in order is so frustrating and pathetic.

Lolololololol

Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:38 PM
How does that Ainge koolaide taste?

Not sure what you mean. Even if this offseason doesn't play out exactly how we hoped, the future is still bright.

Brown, Tatum, two possible two 5 picks next year/year after that. That's just the blue chips. Also have the Memphis/Clippers 2019 picks, Rozier, Zizic, Yabusele, Smart, etc.

Even worse case scenario this offseason was okay. The future is bright.

How does the ignorant kool-aid taste?

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:38 PM
There is no way Boston had an offer on the table better than this one. No way.

This isn't grade school. An NBA GM wouldn't take a worse deal for his franchise just to piss off another GM. Like, just think about how ridiculous that is.

It's not to piss him off, it's simply because he has the assets. There's also a lot of Value for them ensuring he goes out west. If they traded him to Boston and he signed long term, there's a good chance if they were to try and compete again, they would have to go through him.


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Raps18-19 Champ
06-30-2017, 10:40 PM
Not sure what you mean. Even if this offseason doesn't play out exactly how we hoped, the future is still bright.

Brown, Tatum, two possible two 5 picks next year/year after that. That's just the blue chips. Also have the Memphis/Clippers 2019 picks, Rozier, Zizic, Yabusele, Smart, etc.

Even worse case scenario this offseason was okay. The future is bright.

How does the ignorant kool-aid taste?

Hopefully those guys (don't) bust.

Redrum187
06-30-2017, 10:40 PM
So who's starting for the East next season for the all-star game? lol

Cleveland's starting 5... =/

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:40 PM
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Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:41 PM
It's not to piss him off, it's simply because he has the assets. There's also a lot of Value for them ensuring he goes out west. If they traded him to Boston and he signed long term, there's a good chance if they were to try and compete again, they would have to go through him.


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If Boston had a good enough offer on the table a conference trade wouldn't have bothered them. We've seen it happen with other stars before.

The Pacers thought this was the best offer at the time. That's pretty much it.

ciaban
06-30-2017, 10:41 PM
No... even Ainge isn't that stingy. They obviously were holding Boston to a different standard. I bet Boston had an offer that blew this away at some point... but something happened to make that either come off the table or Indiana is a bunch of spiteful idiots lol


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Apperently they offered 3 firsts, but not the Nets or Lakers picks. So they effectively offered three back end 1st.
Next years draft isn't even as good as this years, they should have offered either the Kings/Lakers pick and two other firsts.
It seems like they ****ed themselves out of Heyward, why would he bother signing there.

KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 10:42 PM
I hope Hayward doesn't sign with Boston now haha I want Boston to be ****ed.

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mightybosstone
06-30-2017, 10:42 PM
I just don't understand what Ainge's plan is anymore. Who ****ing cares if you have all the assets in the world if they never amount to anything? You can stockpile dozens of lottery picks, but if you can't turn them into anything of value, what the hell is the point? At any point Ainge could have called up Chicago or Indiana and just completely blown them away for deals for Butler or George, respectively. Instead, now they're just praying for Hayward and will just have all these young prospects with no superstar to trade for.

Maybe IT, Butler and Hayward or IT, George and Hayward isn't enough to beat Cleveland in the East or Golden State in the Finals. But you know what definitely isn't good enough to beat them? What you have now. I was on board with Ainge's plan not to deal away assets at the trade deadline because I ultimately thought this was going to be his moment to pull the trigger. I'm definitely off that bandwagon now.

It's possible Ainge still has a plan in place that will make Boston a contender this summer, but I don't see it in front of me right now. Butler and George are gone. Griffin is staying in LA. Who in the hell are they going to add other than Hayward at this point? If Tatum doesn't turn into a superstar, they're going to look like idiots next season...

KB24PG16
06-30-2017, 10:42 PM
boston should trade away IT and horford as well, their pick would become a premium asset as well lol. no point of wasting their primes when ainge is committed to the future under tatum/brown and future picks

Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:42 PM
Hopefully those guys (don't) bust.

That's the risk of every prospect though. You can't really look at it like that unless you do it for every team. That's what happens when you build through the draft though. It is what it is.

aman_13
06-30-2017, 10:43 PM
Hopefully LeBron leaves for LA next yr :laugh:

tredigs
06-30-2017, 10:43 PM
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Because Philly was not a 1 seed with a ton of flexibility who could have competed for a title if they pulled the trigger on one of their innumerable assets.

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:44 PM
Apperently they offered 3 firsts, but not the Nets or Lakers picks. So they effectively offered three back end 1st.
Next years draft isn't even as good as this years, they should have offered either the Kings/Lakers pick and two other firsts.
It seems like they ****ed themselves out of Heyward, why would he bother signing there.

Memphis, LAC, and their own. Those Memphis and Clippers picks are like top 8 and 10 protected I think and their own pick... that's pretty clearly a better offer than what they took on lol.

Also on Hayward, why are people acting like the Celtics only have a bunch of bums. They're a young team with a ton of assets who were just in the ECF... why wouldn't he want to go there? They're still the best team involved


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hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 10:45 PM
what about jimmy butler? 2 years on his deal and the wolves didn't give "elite assets" for him. ainge has a bunch of condoms in his pocket and no chicks

lol that's a funny analogy

The Celtics equivalent of MIN's offer was the #3 pick, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier I'd say. I don't think that makes BOS very competitive with CLE or especially GS so I'm on board not giving that up for Butler.

This Paul George offer is different because it's such a light package. But supposedly he offered 3 1sts, Crowder and another starter (I assume Smart or Bradley?). If that's not enough for IND the next step for BOS is included the LAL/SAC pick, the BRK pick or Tatum/Brown.

Even if BOS got Hayward/PG I wouldn't pick them vs. CLE and absolutely not vs. GS. And we know he could for sure be a rental so I support not dipping into that next group of assets - Brown, Tatum, BRK pick, LAL/SAC pick.

I feel that offer is better than what IND got but they obviously didn't think so. The 3 first round picks had to be some combination of 2019 MEM, 2019 LAC, 2018 BOS, 2019 BOS. They should have offered all 4. In addition to Crowder and one more starter, Bradley or Smart, they could have offered Crowder and both those guys. And Rozier.

If Ainge let any of those pieces get in the way I'm not happy. But I fully, 100% support taking the BRK pick, Brown, Tatum, the LAL/SAC pick off the table in PG talks.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:45 PM
Hopefully those guys (don't) bust.

Same for those future picks too.

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:45 PM
I hope Hayward doesn't sign with Boston now haha I want Boston to be ****ed.

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****ed?... how?


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smith&wesson
06-30-2017, 10:45 PM
OKC still has work to do. WB, George, Roberson, Adams, Gibson, Mcbuckets...not bad but doesnt seem enough to compete with the West at the moment. I guess it puts them in the top 4 ?

aman_13
06-30-2017, 10:46 PM
Hopefully LBJ leaves for LA next yr :laugh:

ciaban
06-30-2017, 10:47 PM
Memphis, LAC, and their own. Those Memphis and Clippers picks are like top 8 and 10 protected I think and their own pick... that's pretty clearly a better offer than what they took on lol.

Also on Hayward, why are people acting like the Celtics only have a bunch of bums. They're a young team with a ton of assets who were just in the ECF... why wouldn't he want to go there? They're still the best team involved


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they got to the eastern conference finals after nearly loosing to DC, and then got owned by Clevland who got owned by GSW, Boston isn't one Gordon Heyward away from a title.
Why would he want to waste his time there.

Vee-Rex
06-30-2017, 10:47 PM
Vee-Rex in February 2017


The thing is, if you have an opportunity to acquire a player of the caliber that Butler/George are, you don't pass on it. I agree that it'll likely take more than just Butler or George to win it all, but that's the first step. Generally you don't get rich by becoming a millionaire overnight - you take giant steps whenever possible. But if you pass on those giant steps you're not gonna be anything more than a treadmill team. Boston would rather wait for some miracle opportunity to add 20 all-stars before pulling any triggers, while failing to realize that stars won't want to look in their direction unless they already acquire more big-time talent than just IT.

Even if they gave up Crowder + Smart + 2017 BRK pick for Butler, they'd still have TONS of assets left to trade and/or add on to their team in the offseason. A trade for Butler would at least build some chemistry + give Stevens an idea of how to best play Butler with certain lineups and possibly matchup/rotations in the playoffs vs. the Cavs. It'll also encourage other stars and make them want to join you, either by free agency (if you can cleverly clear space for it) or through offering to sign an extension if they can be traded for.

I see it as a missed opportunity.

Well, let's see how the rest of free agency goes down.

AllBall
06-30-2017, 10:48 PM
lmao @ ESPN2 having to interrupt their regularly scheduled Boxing for non-stop NBA coverage. :laugh2:

KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 10:48 PM
****ed?... how?


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In the ***. I should have been more specific.

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aman_13
06-30-2017, 10:48 PM
^lol

ciaban
06-30-2017, 10:48 PM
****ed?... how?


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****ed in the way that all the best players available to sign or trade for will be gone. And they're still much worse than Cleveland.

Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:50 PM
I just don't understand what Ainge's plan is anymore. Who ****ing cares if you have all the assets in the world if they never amount to anything? You can stockpile dozens of lottery picks, but if you can't turn them into anything of value, what the hell is the point? At any point Ainge could have called up Chicago or Indiana and just completely blown them away for deals for Butler or George, respectively. Instead, now they're just praying for Hayward and will just have all these young prospects with no superstar to trade for.

Maybe IT, Butler and Hayward or IT, George and Hayward isn't enough to beat Cleveland in the East or Golden State in the Finals. But you know what definitely isn't good enough to beat them? What you have now. I was on board with Ainge's plan not to deal away assets at the trade deadline because I ultimately thought this was going to be his moment to pull the trigger. I'm definitely off that bandwagon now.

It's possible Ainge still has a plan in place that will make Boston a contender this summer, but I don't see it in front of me right now. Butler and George are gone. Griffin is staying in LA. Who in the hell are they going to add other than Hayward at this point? If Tatum doesn't turn into a superstar, they're going to look like idiots next season...

They still have the Nets pick which is going to be high and another possible high pick in the Lakers/Kings pick.

They could have a nasty core of young players as soon as next year. Last team with a bunch of top picks that grew together (until the owner was cheap), the Thunder. Hmm, that team would be pretty good if they were still together. And no, not comparing KD and crew to Brown/Tatum/whoever they draft next year.

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 10:50 PM
I hope Hayward doesn't sign with Boston now haha I want Boston to be ****ed.

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It would suck and make the team a lot less interesting to watch but honestly Hayward signing does absolutely nothing for us if there's not another star coming with him. We'd still be #2 in the East with no real shot at CLE barring injury. He just solidifies our standing as #2.

If PG was coming with him that still doesn't get you over CLE but it gets you within range where one more key piece and you would be.

Hayward costs nothing assets wise - just money. And he makes us a ton more exciting to watch as a fan. So I 1000% want him. But in the grand scheme of things, whether he signs or not makes no real impact for us trying to build a championship team. It just makes the game much more exciting as a fan which I why I desperately want it.

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:50 PM
they got to the eastern conference finals after nearly loosing to DC, and then got owned by Clevland who got owned by GSW, Boston isn't one Gordon Heyward away from a title.
Why would he want to waste his time there.

None of the teams he has scheduled meetings with are. And Boston has a very promising future he could be apart of. Doesn't seem like a waste of time at all to sign with a team that "almost" (but didn't...) lost in the second round. They also beat Cleveland at home without their best player.


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KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 10:51 PM
Off topic, but where was Woj on this? Dude hasn't broke this news, the CP3 news, or the Griffin news...

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Vee-Rex
06-30-2017, 10:51 PM
The question is... should Boston have taken Fultz if their plan is just to build through young talent? Are they gonna max out IT in the next year, and if so, what other big pieces will you add to justify that?

Silent
06-30-2017, 10:53 PM
Lol ainge can't get anyone no butler no pg oh well there is still melo and hayward left.

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Ainge be stupid he has all theme asset's and nothing to do with theme Boston will always be a 2nd round team

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:53 PM
Off topic, but where was Woj on this? Dude hasn't broke this news, the CP3 news, or the Griffin news...

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Starting with ESPN at midnight....doesn't want credit going to vertical but cant tweet as espn yet.

AllBall
06-30-2017, 10:53 PM
Off topic, but where was Woj on this? Dude hasn't broke this news, the CP3 news, or the Griffin news...

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Seems like when the team is the one making the move, they leak info to ESPN. When it's the players, seems like it's Woj/Yahoo.

KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 10:54 PM
Ainge be stupid he has all theme asset's and nothing to do with theme Boston will always be a 2nd round team
It would be one thing if they had a track record of being great drafters but...i mean, Bradley is decent and Smart is a basic role player.

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Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:54 PM
they got to the eastern conference finals after nearly loosing to DC, and then got owned by Clevland who got owned by GSW, Boston isn't one Gordon Heyward away from a title.
Why would he want to waste his time there.


****ed in the way that all the best players available to sign or trade for will be gone. And they're still much worse than Cleveland.

You guys need to make up your mind.

Boston isn't anywhere close to Cleveland and GS but they're also dumb for not blowing assets on single players? Can't have it both ways.

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:54 PM
In the ***. I should have been more specific.

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Lol this was actually funny.


But I don't see how a team that made the ECF and could have two top 5 picks next year along with a #3 pick from last year who looks like he could be very good, and a #3 pick this year is ****ed. Not to mention they'd still have ample cap space


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KnicksorBust
06-30-2017, 10:55 PM
I just don't understand what Ainge's plan is anymore. Who ****ing cares if you have all the assets in the world if they never amount to anything? You can stockpile dozens of lottery picks, but if you can't turn them into anything of value, what the hell is the point? At any point Ainge could have called up Chicago or Indiana and just completely blown them away for deals for Butler or George, respectively. Instead, now they're just praying for Hayward and will just have all these young prospects with no superstar to trade for.

Maybe IT, Butler and Hayward or IT, George and Hayward isn't enough to beat Cleveland in the East or Golden State in the Finals. But you know what definitely isn't good enough to beat them? What you have now. I was on board with Ainge's plan not to deal away assets at the trade deadline because I ultimately thought this was going to be his moment to pull the trigger. I'm definitely off that bandwagon now.

It's possible Ainge still has a plan in place that will make Boston a contender this summer, but I don't see it in front of me right now. Butler and George are gone. Griffin is staying in LA. Who in the hell are they going to add other than Hayward at this point? If Tatum doesn't turn into a superstar, they're going to look like idiots next season...

Spot on. Ainge ****ed up. No doubt about it. I would have pushed the chips to the middle for Butler at the deadline and given LeBron the middle finger. I want as many chances as I can. BUT I was willing to eat my words if they got Butler or George. Hell even a trade with my Knicks for Porzingis would have been a great fit. To miss on all these guys to roll the dice with Tatum and future picks? Terrible call. Absolutely terrible.

Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:56 PM
The question is... should Boston have taken Fultz if their plan is just to build through young talent? Are they gonna max out IT in the next year, and if so, what other big pieces will you add to justify that?

If they truly loved Tatum and were able to acquire another possible top 5 pick with him, that deal was a no brainer.

AllBall
06-30-2017, 10:56 PM
Starting with ESPN at midnight....doesn't want credit going to vertical but cant tweet as espn yet.

That's odd, he left to ESPN? I thought all their big names were jumping ship or getting fired.

KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 10:56 PM
Starting with ESPN at midnight....doesn't want credit going to vertical but cant tweet as espn yet.
Oh I see. I wonder if they are doing some Deandre Jordan **** with his phone right now?

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homie564
06-30-2017, 10:57 PM
The question is... should Boston have taken Fultz if their plan is just to build through young talent? Are they gonna max out IT in the next year, and if so, what other big pieces will you add to justify that?

You have to wait 3 years really to answer that question. Most people tend to believe Tatum was #1 on their draft board regardless. If they felt Tatum was the best player in the draft, the. No they obviously shouldn't have


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Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 10:57 PM
It would be one thing if they had a track record of being great drafters but...i mean, Bradley is decent and Smart is a basic role player.

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Bradley was drafted 19th. He's been very good for where he was drafted.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 10:58 PM
That's odd, he left to ESPN? I thought all their big names were jumping ship or getting fired.

They were but they got rid of basically all their NBA reporters to make room for Woj.

jayjay33
06-30-2017, 10:58 PM
Seems like a set up to leverage the lakers for every asset they have. In a PG + Westy for everything you got. Kinda deal.

homie564
06-30-2017, 10:58 PM
****ed in the way that all the best players available to sign or trade for will be gone. And they're still much worse than Cleveland.

So what's the difference between being worse and much worse? Either way you are still the #2/3 team in the east and losing to Cleveland in the finals


I'd rather be much worse and still make it as far while having the stockpile of assets in case another big fish comes available next year

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KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 10:59 PM
Lol this was actually funny.


But I don't see how a team that made the ECF and could have two top 5 picks next year along with a #3 pick from last year who looks like he could be very good, and a #3 pick this year is ****ed. Not to mention they'd still have ample cap space


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I just don't see a move they can make now, if they miss out on Hayward, that will make them better then Cleveland. Much less Golden State. Even getting Hayward would probably just make the ECF go six games rather then four or five.

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J4KOP99
06-30-2017, 10:59 PM
Off topic, but where was Woj on this? Dude hasn't broke this news, the CP3 news, or the Griffin news...

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Hopefully he's getting blackballed now that he went to espn. Sold his soul

KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 11:00 PM
Seems like a set up to leverage the lakers for every asset they have. In a PG + Westy for everything you got. Kinda deal.
Why? The Lakers can just wait for both of them to hit free agency and add them to their young core.

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tredigs
06-30-2017, 11:02 PM
Seems like a set up to leverage the lakers for every asset they have. In a PG + Westy for everything you got. Kinda deal.

Why would the Lakers give up anything for two expiring contracts that both could sign with them for nothing (and would be less inclined to sign with them if they gave up their young assets)? I don't think you're thinking that through.

homie564
06-30-2017, 11:02 PM
I just don't see a move they can make now, if they miss out on Hayward, that will make them better then Cleveland. Much less Golden State. Even getting Hayward would probably just make the ECF go six games rather then four or five.

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I agree... but what's the difference then? lol Hayward really just makes them more watchable... why would they give up premium assets for someone who doesn't put them in true contention? They're better off stockpiling in the case that another big fish comes available next year. Things change every year in the NBA ... anything can happen


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AllBall
06-30-2017, 11:02 PM
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They lovin it in Philly, lol

warfelg
06-30-2017, 11:02 PM
I just don't see a move they can make now, if they miss out on Hayward, that will make them better then Cleveland. Much less Golden State. Even getting Hayward would probably just make the ECF go six games rather then four or five.

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I feel like even if you don't feel like the one move pushes you over the top of Cleveland you have to jump in to try to see what happens.

Boston had more than enough assets to pull off a double deal if they wanted to. Go out and get two guys in one offseason, keep Horford and IT, and see if you scare and sell those guys on the fact that a little more gelling could have lead to a win.

J4KOP99
06-30-2017, 11:04 PM
I also don't understand this sentiment from Boston fans that they're so much worse than Cleveland. You really think if you would have got hayward and George, you'd still have no shot against Cleveland?

Sounds like a cop out and a cover up for ainge refusing to grow a pair.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 11:04 PM
880966827530211328

They lovin it in Philly, lol

:dance: we are.

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 11:04 PM
I just don't understand what Ainge's plan is anymore. Who ****ing cares if you have all the assets in the world if they never amount to anything? You can stockpile dozens of lottery picks, but if you can't turn them into anything of value, what the hell is the point? At any point Ainge could have called up Chicago or Indiana and just completely blown them away for deals for Butler or George, respectively. Instead, now they're just praying for Hayward and will just have all these young prospects with no superstar to trade for.

Maybe IT, Butler and Hayward or IT, George and Hayward isn't enough to beat Cleveland in the East or Golden State in the Finals. But you know what definitely isn't good enough to beat them? What you have now. I was on board with Ainge's plan not to deal away assets at the trade deadline because I ultimately thought this was going to be his moment to pull the trigger. I'm definitely off that bandwagon now.

It's possible Ainge still has a plan in place that will make Boston a contender this summer, but I don't see it in front of me right now. Butler and George are gone. Griffin is staying in LA. Who in the hell are they going to add other than Hayward at this point? If Tatum doesn't turn into a superstar, they're going to look like idiots next season...

I think Ainge's logic is this sentence with different scenarios written in...

"Maybe the young players/picks will never develop into a core that can win a championship. But you know what definitely isn't good enough to win one? IT, Hayward, Horford and PG/Butler."

I think Ainge deep down in his heart of hearts is 100% convinced that IT, Butler/PG/Cousins, Hayward, Horford is good enough. So he'd rather hold onto his premium young players/picks than give them up for that type of core.

Agree or disagree, I think that's his logic.

KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 11:04 PM
I agree... but what's the difference then? lol Hayward really just makes them more watchable... why would they give up premium assets for someone who doesn't put them in true contention? They're better off stockpiling in the case that another big fish comes available next year. Things change every year in the NBA ... anything can happen


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Their only premium assets if they become/turned into something. Some kinetic energy ****.

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KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 11:05 PM
I also don't understand this sentiment from Boston fans that they're so much worse than Cleveland. You really think if you would have got hayward and George, you'd still have no shot against Cleveland?

Sounds like a cop out and a cover up for ainge refusing to grow a pair.
With Hayward and George, they easily beat Cleveland and would push GS. It's gotta be worth the shot, you would have thought.

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homie564
06-30-2017, 11:07 PM
With Hayward and George, they easily beat Cleveland and would push GS. It's gotta be worth the shot, you would have thought.

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For one year... then next year they've lost premium assets for a guy playing in LA lol


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KB24PG16
06-30-2017, 11:07 PM
the finals should be the warriors vs the eastern conference all stars. silver should make it happen

warfelg
06-30-2017, 11:07 PM
I also don't understand this sentiment from Boston fans that they're so much worse than Cleveland. You really think if you would have got hayward and George, you'd still have no shot against Cleveland?

Sounds like a cop out and a cover up for ainge refusing to grow a pair.

Agreed. I think honestly it puts them over. Bostons defense would still be good, and Cleveland's defense wouldn't be good enough to stop IT/Bradely-Smart/Hayward/PG/Horford.

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 11:08 PM
I also don't understand this sentiment from Boston fans that they're so much worse than Cleveland. You really think if you would have got hayward and George, you'd still have no shot against Cleveland?

Sounds like a cop out and a cover up for ainge refusing to grow a pair.

I wouldn't say no shot vs. CLE but I don't see an argument to pick them.

Lebron is way better than PG, as good as PG is.

Kyrie and Love are both easily better than IT and Horford, even if the margins aren't huge. I don't think either is up for debate at all though.

So Hayward and the role players being better is going to make that up? I don't think so at all. You never know but I feel that CLE is the clear winner on paper.

Against, GS, I legitimately say no chance for that team. And at the end of the day a title is the goal so that's the standard I hold us up to.

J4KOP99
06-30-2017, 11:09 PM
Who are the eastern conference all stars?

homie564
06-30-2017, 11:10 PM
Their only premium assets if they become/turned into something. Some kinetic energy ****.

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You're right again. But what's more risky? Trading a guy who has a solid chance to be a high end talent locked up for several years? Or Trading for a superstar who has expressed desire to play in a another city on the last year of his deal?

What if they get Ayton or Porter next year? Those guys have true superstar type potential... they'd look pretty silly if they traded a guy that DOES turn into a superstar for getting to the finals one year


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koldjerky
06-30-2017, 11:11 PM
Who are the eastern conference all stars?

Lebron and the PSD NBA Forum posters.


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AllBall
06-30-2017, 11:12 PM
Oh lawd, Danny Ainge is trending on twitter 😂😂😂

KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 11:12 PM
Who are the eastern conference all stars?
Wall
Derozan
LeBron
Giannis
Love

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warfelg
06-30-2017, 11:13 PM
I wouldn't say no shot vs. CLE but I don't see an argument to pick them.

Lebron is way better than PG, as good as PG is.

Kyrie and Love are both easily better than IT and Horford, even if the margins aren't huge. I don't think either is up for debate at all though.

So Hayward and the role players being better is going to make that up? I don't think so at all. You never know but I feel that CLE is the clear winner on paper.

Against, GS, I legitimately say no chance for that team. And at the end of the day a title is the goal so that's the standard I hold us up to.

Actually.....IMO yes. Easily.

Bron > PG obviously
Kyrie > IT but it's closer than most think IMO
Love = Horford IMO

So there's Clevelands big 3

Now it's:
Smith < Hayward Hayward is easily much better
Thompson = Smart/Bradley About a wash there

So now your down to the bench.
Brown, Tatum, Zizic, Olynyk, Rozier is a better bench than Shumpert, Frye, and whatever corpses they fill their bench out with.

KobeOwnSU
06-30-2017, 11:14 PM
You're right again. But what's more risky? Trading a guy who has a solid chance to be a high end talent locked up for several years? Or Trading for a superstar who has expressed desire to play in a another city on the last year of his deal?

What if they get Ayton or Porter next year? Those guys have true superstar type potential... they'd look pretty silly if they traded a guy that DOES turn into a superstar for getting to the finals one year


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Just a difference in thought process I suppose. Iev never been one for maybes, if rather have the for sure All Star right now.

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tredigs
06-30-2017, 11:15 PM
Who are the eastern conference all stars?

Guys like Melo and Jabari will probably be All Stars while in the West Klay Thompson and Gordon Hayward will miss the cut. Actually great news for the Warriors as Klay won't command as high of a max-contract threshold on his next contract with the CBA restrictions on non current All-Stars/All-NBA guys.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 11:16 PM
Wall
Derozan
LeBron
Giannis
Love

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I'm going to try to call it right now:
Wall
Kyrie
LeBron
Giannis
Embiid

Bench:
DeRozen, Wall, Beal, Middleton, Whiteside, Prozingis, Love, Horford, Hayward (Miami)...and 2 other FA's that haven't changed conferences yet.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 11:17 PM
880984935473053696

OKC PD on fire.

AllBall
06-30-2017, 11:17 PM
Celtics need to fire Danny Ainge like Knicks did Phil Jackson. I hear David Griffin is available.

jayjay33
06-30-2017, 11:19 PM
Seems like a set up to leverage the lakers for every asset they have. In a PG + Westy for everything you got. Kinda deal.
Why? The Lakers can just wait for both of them to hit free agency and add them to their young core.

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Yeah that's my bad I tough westy was 2019, but he's 2018. both to LA would be awesome.

Bostonjorge
06-30-2017, 11:20 PM
Okc going to have the best Defense team

tredigs
06-30-2017, 11:20 PM
Wonder if PG will be willing to buy into the "give Westbrook all the rebounds" strategy OKC has implemented, or if that will be a point of contention when he doesn't.

shep33
06-30-2017, 11:21 PM
If Hayward doesn't sign with Boston...

J4KOP99
06-30-2017, 11:21 PM
Guys like Melo and Jabari will probably be All Stars while in the West Klay Thompson and Gordon Hayward will miss the cut. Actually great news for the Warriors as Klay won't command as high of a max-contract threshold on his next contract with the CBA restrictions on non current All-Stars/All-NBA guys.

Haha that's a good point. This trade has huge implications

AllBall
06-30-2017, 11:22 PM
We continue to live coverage of Danny Ainge's bedroom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwW1nJAwF4Y

warfelg
06-30-2017, 11:23 PM
We continue to live coverage of Danny Ainge's bedroom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwW1nJAwF4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

???

J4KOP99
06-30-2017, 11:23 PM
Also, are we really gonna sit here and believe the Boston FO media spin about them
Offering multiple 1sts and players?

Vee-Rex
06-30-2017, 11:24 PM
I wouldn't say no shot vs. CLE but I don't see an argument to pick them.

Lebron is way better than PG, as good as PG is.

Kyrie and Love are both easily better than IT and Horford, even if the margins aren't huge. I don't think either is up for debate at all though.

So Hayward and the role players being better is going to make that up? I don't think so at all. You never know but I feel that CLE is the clear winner on paper.

Against, GS, I legitimately say no chance for that team. And at the end of the day a title is the goal so that's the standard I hold us up to.

Not to pick on you bro, but you just said in the other thread (when it looked like Boston might snag PG and Hayward) that you thought PG + Hayward put them even with CLE, if not over them. Here are your very words:


Hayward and PG gets us right at CLE, if not over them.

Now that that ship has sailed, you're saying you don't see an argument to pick them over Cleveland? That, while you wouldn't give them NO chance, you don't think they could do it?

It's okay to criticize your own GM, or in the very least admit that he may have let an opportunity slip by. Nothing wrong with that.

mightybosstone
06-30-2017, 11:24 PM
They still have the Nets pick which is going to be high and another possible high pick in the Lakers/Kings pick.

They could have a nasty core of young players as soon as next year. Last team with a bunch of top picks that grew together (until the owner was cheap), the Thunder. Hmm, that team would be pretty good if they were still together. And no, not comparing KD and crew to Brown/Tatum/whoever they draft next year.

For every Thunder team, there is a Philly, a Sacramento, a Minnesota, a Phoenix, etc. Teams like OKC and Golden State are not the norm. They're the exception to the rule. And just because you build a team of young talent doesn't mean you benefit from that young talent. Ask Sam Presti how that went for him and the Thunder...

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 11:26 PM
Actually.....IMO yes. Easily.

Bron > PG obviously
Kyrie > IT but it's closer than most think IMO
Love = Horford IMO

So there's Clevelands big 3

Now it's:
Smith < Hayward Hayward is easily much better
Thompson = Smart/Bradley About a wash there

So now your down to the bench.
Brown, Tatum, Zizic, Olynyk, Rozier is a better bench than Shumpert, Frye, and whatever corpses they fill their bench out with.

Olynyk is gone for cap space in this scenario so take him off the bench. Rozier has to be dumped to make room for a max too so take him off as well. It would be Bradley out for salary unfortunately instead of Smart.

BOS is still gonna get crushed on the boards and they only have one guy (PG) that can do even a respectable job on Lebron so they'll just get a switch and let LBJ got to work like they did in the ECF last year.

Look, it's definitely close and no pushover but I just don't see how anyone would actually pick them to win. I'd be all for trying though but just not at the cost of my best assets for a

I really feel BOS is "held back" by their assets at times. You made the point in your forum I know about Ainge wanting to trade back from #1 because it was too much to give up for the star you thought he wanted. I think there's that on a large scale. Ainge has two #3 picks on the roster that I think he likes a lot. He has 2 picks that seem like they'll be similarly high. That's a great situation. So I think it's tough for him to prioritize a core of players he feels isn't good enough to win over playing the long game.

If BRK was giving him #8-14 picks I think he'd have been all-in for sure because he wouldn't feel great about building long-term with that. But the fact that they're so high makes him feel that he's better off playing the long-game.

Green_Monster
06-30-2017, 11:31 PM
For every Thunder team, there is a Philly, a Sacramento, a Minnesota, a Phoenix, etc. Teams like OKC and Golden State are not the norm. They're the exception to the rule. And just because you build a team of young talent doesn't mean you benefit from that young talent. Ask Sam Presti how that went for him and the Thunder...

All of the teams you listed either haven't had a chance to see how the young talent plays out or didn't have anywhere close to the picks Boston has (two #3 picks, two more possible top 5). Not exactly convincing on your part.

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 11:33 PM
Not to pick on you bro, but you just said in the other thread (when it looked like Boston might snag PG and Hayward) that you thought PG + Hayward put them even with CLE, if not over them. Here are your very words:



Now that that ship has sailed, you're saying you don't see an argument to pick them over Cleveland? That, while you wouldn't give them NO chance, you don't think they could do it?

It's okay to criticize your own GM, or in the very least admit that he may have let an opportunity slip by. Nothing wrong with that.

I've gone back on that in numerous posts since then. I'll go find some for you if you want. I got caught up in the hype first and though we'd for sure go to the finals and he'd want to extend. Then i thought about it over time and felt I was overreacting and speaking on emotion.

I also said in this thread I thought Aine should have beat this deal for PG. But honestly, by the reports out I think he kind of did. 3 1sts, Crowder and another starter (I assume AB or Smart) beats this IMO. I mean, maybe he could have added a 4th 1st, both Bradley/Smart and Rozier. I think all that is fair even for a rental because in the grand scheme of things those are nothing pieces to me. But as I've been saying all along I think we have 4 assets I don't want to move - Brown, Tatum, BRK pick, LAL pick. I think I'd budge on the LAL pick though but I'd have to feel confident it wasn't a rental.

Jeffy25
06-30-2017, 11:33 PM
I just don't understand what Ainge's plan is anymore. Who ****ing cares if you have all the assets in the world if they never amount to anything? You can stockpile dozens of lottery picks, but if you can't turn them into anything of value, what the hell is the point? At any point Ainge could have called up Chicago or Indiana and just completely blown them away for deals for Butler or George, respectively. Instead, now they're just praying for Hayward and will just have all these young prospects with no superstar to trade for.

Maybe IT, Butler and Hayward or IT, George and Hayward isn't enough to beat Cleveland in the East or Golden State in the Finals. But you know what definitely isn't good enough to beat them? What you have now. I was on board with Ainge's plan not to deal away assets at the trade deadline because I ultimately thought this was going to be his moment to pull the trigger. I'm definitely off that bandwagon now.

It's possible Ainge still has a plan in place that will make Boston a contender this summer, but I don't see it in front of me right now. Butler and George are gone. Griffin is staying in LA. Who in the hell are they going to add other than Hayward at this point? If Tatum doesn't turn into a superstar, they're going to look like idiots next season...

Maybe the plan is to win the East for 5+ years or longer when LeBron declines? Maybe they are waiting to hit their peak later?

Ty Fast
06-30-2017, 11:33 PM
Why couldnt the Thunder try to do stuff like this when they had KD. I feel sorry for Thunder fans. Great fans but poorly managed. Hope they can keep PG and maybe add another piece. Good luck OKC.

FOXHOUND
06-30-2017, 11:34 PM
RIP Danny Ainge. Enjoy your assets.

warfelg
06-30-2017, 11:35 PM
RIP Danny Ainge. Enjoy your assets.

Yup yup yup.

AllBall
06-30-2017, 11:38 PM
880984935473053696

Police brutality! 😂😂😂

europagnpilgrim
06-30-2017, 11:40 PM
They still have the Nets pick which is going to be high and another possible high pick in the Lakers/Kings pick.

They could have a nasty core of young players as soon as next year. Last team with a bunch of top picks that grew together (until the owner was cheap), the Thunder. Hmm, that team would be pretty good if they were still together. And no, not comparing KD and crew to Brown/Tatum/whoever they draft next year.

That's not a fair comparison because KD was a beast coming out and Westbrook/Harden had all the tools to be top tier players and they all blossomed quickly into mvp contenders with 2 of those actually winning it while Harden has finished runner up twice, Boston hasn't drafted any player with that type of potential, IT was a mvp candidate but they got him via trade

plus that Thunder core made a Finals trip while being young as hell, if Thunder were still together they would be what the Warriors are, favorites to come out the West

You win titles with studs/stars, even that 04' Pistons team had all stars/studs, Dallas in 11' had only 1(two if you want to count Terry) stud but they had gritty older vet studs who knew what it took to win

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 11:40 PM
For every Thunder team, there is a Philly, a Sacramento, a Minnesota, a Phoenix, etc. Teams like OKC and Golden State are not the norm. They're the exception to the rule. And just because you build a team of young talent doesn't mean you benefit from that young talent. Ask Sam Presti how that went for him and the Thunder...

By the same token, for ever 07-08 Celtics team that went "all-in" and won, there are hundreds of teams that flopped. The reality is that teams that win by any means aren't the norm. The 03-04 Pistons, 07-08 Celtics, 10-11 Mavs, 15-16 Cavs and 80s Rockets/76ers are the only "one-hit wonders" in terms of winning a title. And even so, they all went to multiple Finals in the general timeframe so they weren't really "one hit wonders" in terms of being great.

Every other title winner since the 80s has been a multi-time championship group. The MJ Bulls, Duncan Spurs, Hakeem Rockers, Shaq/Kobe Lakers, just Kobe Lakers, Bird Celtics, Magic Lakers, Curry Warriors, Bad Boy Pistons have won all the rest of the titles since the 80s as part of extended stretches of dominance.

Vee-Rex
06-30-2017, 11:42 PM
I've gone back on that in numerous posts since then. I'll go find some for you if you want. I got caught up in the hype first and though we'd for sure go to the finals and he'd want to extend. Then i thought about it over time and felt I was overreacting and speaking on emotion.

I also said in this thread I thought Aine should have beat this deal for PG. But honestly, by the reports out I think he kind of did. 3 1sts, Crowder and another starter (I assume AB or Smart) beats this IMO. I mean, maybe he could have added a 4th 1st, both Bradley/Smart and Rozier. I think all that is fair even for a rental because in the grand scheme of things those are nothing pieces to me. But as I've been saying all along I think we have 4 assets I don't want to move - Brown, Tatum, BRK pick, LAL pick. I think I'd budge on the LAL pick though but I'd have to feel confident it wasn't a rental.

I gotcha.

At this point all we can do is speculate since a lot of rumors were probably just noise. None of us know any of the details on anything and it's entirely possible (IMO) that the Pacers saw the treasure chest of assets Boston has and wanted too much of a haul for George. While I'm sure Indiana would work diligently to get the best deal, I wouldn't put it past anyone to strike a deal with another team if relations with a particular GM starts to sour over a disagreement in asking price. I'm sure we'll get more details sometime in the future.

As for now, I'm curious to see how Ainge proceed from here.

D Blue987
06-30-2017, 11:46 PM
Hopefully LBJ leaves for LA next yr :laugh:

Live look at the Eastern Conference if that happens:
http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2015/05/list-6-ghost-towns-hashima-89279024-E.jpeg

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 11:46 PM
Also, are we really gonna sit here and believe the Boston FO media spin about them
Offering multiple 1sts and players?

The reports earlier today were 2 starters and 2 non-BRK/LAL picks. So it's not like this is totally coming out after. Now it's 3 non-BRK/LAL picks. I find it perfectly believable that they upped it to include one more pick at the last hour.

BKLYNpigeon
06-30-2017, 11:46 PM
Okc is dumb to go all in now. Should have done this when they had their core together

DODGERS&LAKERS
06-30-2017, 11:46 PM
Completely agree. Thunder can't just stop at George and Westy right now. Those dudes might move over to LA next year.

My Dodgers have a minor league team in Oklahoma City where they grab Talent from to bring to the big leagues. I would like to see that happen in the NBA. :)

corky831
06-30-2017, 11:47 PM
As a celtics fan, I'm fine with this. I would have loved PG, but it was looking more and more unrealistic. If I saw that the Pacers wanted Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder, with no picks, I would have been upset. But from the reports, looks like we offered a lot more than OKC. I'd love to get Hayward, but even if we don't, I'm really excited with Brown and Tatum. They are extremely young premier talents. They need the minutes to improve. I'd rather have the Brooklyn pick and LAL/SAC pick instead of 1 yr of PG. Some solid big men in next yrs draft class. If we save on cap space, we will have the cash in the future if brown and Tatum turn out to be stars....which I think they will be very good in this league (especially Tatum).

tp13baby
06-30-2017, 11:48 PM
The Celtics have selected in the lottery 2 years in a row and there's now a solid chance they will have two more top 5 picks next year... all while being a playoff team and even making a conference final. He brought in the guy who finished 5th in the MVP race this past year for essentially nothing, and has basically an infinite amount of assets. Why would he deal elite assets for Paul George on a rental? If reports are correct the pacers were asking for a completely ridiculous amount of assets, especially if George didn't agree to an extension... but yeah let's fire him


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Being a conference final team in the east isn't some huge accomplishment. The assets they weren't willing it give up? Look at what the deal got done for. So don't sit here saying he just didn't want to give up to much. The winning on the court, you are giving too much credit to Ainge. There is no word about whether he wouldn't of left other than a few gossip rumors. But does PG leave a conference finals team possible NBA finals team for LA? You are valuing these picks too much.

BKLYNpigeon
06-30-2017, 11:49 PM
Cavs missed their chance. They lost pg on this trade, but won since before stone didn't get him.

Scoots
06-30-2017, 11:51 PM
Lowry and Millsap need to go west too.

AllBall
06-30-2017, 11:52 PM
Okc is dumb to go all in now. Should have done this when they had their core together

People criticizing OKC for going for it in the same thread people criticizing BOS for not going all in. Irony.

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 11:52 PM
I gotcha.

At this point all we can do is speculate since a lot of rumors were probably just noise. None of us know any of the details on anything and it's entirely possible (IMO) that the Pacers saw the treasure chest of assets Boston has and wanted too much of a haul for George. While I'm sure Indiana would work diligently to get the best deal, I wouldn't put it past anyone to strike a deal with another team if relations with a particular GM starts to sour over a disagreement in asking price. I'm sure we'll get more details sometime in the future.

As for now, I'm curious to see how Ainge proceed from here.

I think plan A from here is clear - Hayward. That gives you a roster of.

IT/Smart
Bradley/Brown
Hayward/Tatum
Crowder
Horford/Zizic

Obviously we still have a weakness on the boards unless Zizic is a stud but that's a lot of playmaking shooting with athleticism. Some high potential on the bench with Brown/Tatum who you hope really seize big roles.

Then next year you have the BRK pick which should be high again and maybe the LAL pick if it's #2-5. And we do this whole song and dance again - should they keep the picks, should they draft/develop. And now there's the added twist of re-signing IT and/or Bradley thrown in.

Where I think it's fascinating is how they proceed from here if Hayward doesn't sign. I think if you set aside the "let-down" of no PG BOS is still the best basketball situation for Hayward. I addressed that in that thread - the roster he's signing to is just better than what MIA has or what Utah is supporting him with and I think it's clear. But there's more to it than that. So what does Ainge do if he does go to Miami or stay in Utah? I truly don't have a clue even as a fan.

BKLYNpigeon
06-30-2017, 11:53 PM
People criticizing OKC for going for it in the same thread people criticizing BOS for not going all in. Irony.

Yes, becuase PG is most likely not going to resign. Boston at least has a chance to retain him.

With PG okc wins the 1st round of the playoffs then gets bounced?

Vee-Rex
06-30-2017, 11:57 PM
I think plan A from here is clear - Hayward. That gives you a roster of.

IT/Smart
Bradley/Brown
Hayward/Tatum
Crowder
Horford/Zizic

Obviously we still have a weakness on the boards unless Zizic is a stud but that's a lot of playmaking shooting with athleticism. Some high potential on the bench with Brown/Tatum who you hope really seize big roles.

Then next year you have the BRK pick which should be high again and maybe the LAL pick if it's #2-5. And we do this whole song and dance again - should they keep the picks, should they draft/develop. And now there's the added twist of re-signing IT and/or Bradley thrown in.

Where I think it's fascinating is how they proceed from here if Hayward doesn't sign. I think if you set aside the "let-down" of no PG BOS is still the best basketball situation for Hayward. I addressed that in that thread - the roster he's signing to is just better than what MIA has or what Utah is supporting him with and I think it's clear. But there's more to it than that. So what does Ainge do if he does go to Miami or stay in Utah? I truly don't have a clue even as a fan.

Yeah, I do think going for Hayward should still be on his list. You never know who may be available at the trade deadline and you might be able to add in another really good piece. Depending on what happens, it just may make it easier on deciding whether or not to max IT or trade him.

If Boston doesn't get Hayward, then I guess there's not really many options. The Melo stuff is just hot air - he wouldn't want to go to Boston and I definitely don't see Boston wanting him. I think Boston would roll out their team, see how it goes, and try again at the deadline. Even if nothing good pops up, Boston's future still looks great.

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 11:58 PM
All the focus here is on Boston but honestly, if you're IND, why wouldn't you take Love over Oladipo on a huge deal + Sabonis. Taking on Oladipo isn't going the rebuild route in the deal and Love is obviously better.

Honestly I think unless CLE/BOS really wowed them with premium assets for the future rebuild - i.e. CLE got #4 from PHX to flip to IND or BOS gave up Brown/Tatum/BRK pick/LAL pick - they would prefer to move him West if they were getting a discount package anyway.

Vee-Rex
06-30-2017, 11:58 PM
All the focus here is on Boston but honestly, if you're IND, why wouldn't you take Love over Oladipo on a huge deal + Sabonis. Taking on Oladipo isn't going the rebuild route in the deal and Love is obviously better.

Honestly I think unless CLE/BOS really wowed them with premium assets for the future rebuild - i.e. CLE got #4 from PHX to flip to IND or BOS gave up Brown/Tatum/BRK pick/LAL pick - they would prefer to move him West if they were getting a discount package anyway.

I get the feeling they wanted to move him west too.

hugepatsfan
06-30-2017, 11:59 PM
Yes, becuase PG is most likely not going to resign. Boston at least has a chance to retain him.

With PG okc wins the 1st round of the playoffs then gets bounced?

Who cares, they gave up Oladipo and Sabonis for him. Even if he walks there's a ton of value in just being out of the Oladipo contract. Sabonis doesn't seem like no superstar in the making. It's a great deal.

Vee-Rex
07-01-2017, 12:01 AM
George was traded for a package involving Dipo and Sabonis. Anyone know what else was included?

FOXHOUND
07-01-2017, 12:02 AM
All the focus here is on Boston but honestly, if you're IND, why wouldn't you take Love over Oladipo on a huge deal + Sabonis. Taking on Oladipo isn't going the rebuild route in the deal and Love is obviously better.

Honestly I think unless CLE/BOS really wowed them with premium assets for the future rebuild - i.e. CLE got #4 from PHX to flip to IND or BOS gave up Brown/Tatum/BRK pick/LAL pick - they would prefer to move him West if they were getting a discount package anyway.

Love is 29, doesn't fit the rebuilding window or Turner's timeline at all. Dipo is 25, Sabonis is 21.

FOXHOUND
07-01-2017, 12:05 AM
George was traded for a package involving Dipo and Sabonis. Anyone know what else was included?

The hearts of Paul George suitors.

warfelg
07-01-2017, 12:05 AM
The hearts of Paul George suitors.

That's a strange way to say blowjob.

warfelg
07-01-2017, 12:06 AM
Woj is back!

https://twitter.com/wojespn

Back in his hometown too...

AllBall
07-01-2017, 12:06 AM
Woj is back!

https://twitter.com/wojespn

FOXHOUND
07-01-2017, 12:09 AM
That's a strange way to say blowjob.

Waiting for Woj to confirm.

warfelg
07-01-2017, 12:10 AM
Waiting for Woj to confirm.

Ramona Shelborne will offer a Shrek-job. It's like a BJ, but she lets you paint her green.







Sorry that's really mean.....






....but funny as ****.

Bostonjorge
07-01-2017, 12:11 AM
Okc needs to add D Jordan and they become the 2004 Championship Pistons.

hugepatsfan
07-01-2017, 12:12 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/881001493108621313


.@wojespn confirms #Celtics plan was to sign Gordon Hayward, then deal for Paul George, but #Pacers didn't want to wait. League stunned.

It was a good plan but when you have so many moving parts there's always a risk. I think the big thing now is that whatever we offer to Hayward roster wise will seem like a let down. Still better than Utah/Miami on paper but if he thought he was joining PG it just feels disappointing anyway.

I don't understand why IND wouldn't wait though. OKC wasn't going to move off a Dipo/Sabonis for PG trade for something else. They'd be offering that today, tomorrow, next week, 3 months from now, next trading deadline, whenever, lol. If you had a chance to get more out of Boston by waiting I don't see why you wouldn't, unless you really just committed to sending him West.

mightybosstone
07-01-2017, 12:12 AM
All of the teams you listed either haven't had a chance to see how the young talent plays out or didn't have anywhere close to the picks Boston has (two #3 picks, two more possible top 5). Not exactly convincing on your part.

Oh really? Philly had three top three picks in consecutive drafts prior to this season, and drafted Noel with the 6th pick the year prior. How has that worked out for them so far? Even if Fulltz turns out to be a stud, this team is way closer to a lottery team three years from now than contending. Noel is gone, Okafor looks like a bust, Embiid can't stay on the court and Simmons hasn't played a game.

Minnesota acquired the two top draft picks in back-to-back draft in 2014 and 2015. That was good enough to get them 31 wins last year, and Wiggins doesn't look like he'll ever live up to the hype of that No. 1 pick. Meanwhile, Minnesota didn't get remotely interesting on paper until they dealt the No. 5 pick from last year (Dunn) and the No. 7 pick this year to get the guy that Boston SHOULD have traded for.

And Sacramento is the poster child for being bad and staying bad. I think they've picked in the top 10 for something like 10 consecutive years. And in that time, they've have picks in the top 6 like 4-5 different times. Their best picks in that span turned into Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins. And their one legitimate stud player (Cousins) is now long gone.

If you think it's a foregone conclusion that top picks net top talent every time out, you're sorely mistaken. And even if that was the case, what Ainge is doing makes zero ****ing sense. He has top talent on the roster TODAY. IT, Bradley, Horford and co. is a damn fine core. And to think they could add two more known quantities in one offseason is remarkable.

You know what the odds are of a team with IT, George and Hayward having three top 15-20 caliber players on the same team? 100 percent. Because they already are. You know what the odds are of the Celtics netting three top 15-20 players in the next five years out of the current draft picks they have? A hell of a lot less than 100 percent. This isn't even math. It's common sense, and Ainge doesn't appearing to be showing that he has any.

KB24PG16
07-01-2017, 12:18 AM
Yes, becuase PG is most likely not going to resign. Boston at least has a chance to retain him.

With PG okc wins the 1st round of the playoffs then gets bounced?

getting rid of oladipo's contract was a win for them regardless, sabonis is a minor piece. they didnt really lose anything moving forward even if pg walks

Aust
07-01-2017, 12:18 AM
YessssssssssssssssssssssssssSSssssSSssSssSssSssss


Better than Houston, Boston or Cleveland!

:dance:

FOXHOUND
07-01-2017, 12:19 AM
Ramona Shelborne will offer a Shrek-job. It's like a BJ, but she lets you paint her green.







Sorry that's really mean.....






....but funny as ****.

:)

chi-townlove1
07-01-2017, 12:21 AM
So. ****ing. Happy. My absolute favorite NBA player, for what that is worth considering the NBA is a joke.

1) I get to see him with one of the most electric players of this generation in RW.
2) he doesn't go to Cleveland.
3) ****KKK BOSTON and Danny stupid Ainge. Getting greedy and thinking you're gonna come out on top. LOL, good luck Celtics.

Aust
07-01-2017, 12:25 AM
Amazing news.
We can now use our assets on getting rid of Deng instead of trading for him. Even if he stays, I like OKC and Westbrook more than those other places(C's, Rocket, Cavs) so I wouldn't be as salty.

hugepatsfan
07-01-2017, 12:34 AM
Yeah, I do think going for Hayward should still be on his list. You never know who may be available at the trade deadline and you might be able to add in another really good piece. Depending on what happens, it just may make it easier on deciding whether or not to max IT or trade him.

If Boston doesn't get Hayward, then I guess there's not really many options. The Melo stuff is just hot air - he wouldn't want to go to Boston and I definitely don't see Boston wanting him. I think Boston would roll out their team, see how it goes, and try again at the deadline. Even if nothing good pops up, Boston's future still looks great.

BOS will either lose their cap space next year or have to renounce key players to preserve it. So they should spend on something this year.

Key is not to extend past 3 years. Whether you settle for an Ibaka, Milsap, Gallo if miss on Hayward, just go 3 years. That lines expiration up with Horford. You spend the next 3 years trying to win as much as you can but your really target that window after Horford to have extreme cap flexibility while all the picks are still on rookie deals or have cheap FA cap holds for bird rights.

Even if we do get Hayward I'm kind of hoping it's a 3 year deal with a player option and that he opts out to pursue a 35% max. But then we let him go and get someone younger since he'll be 30 at the time (but obviously I don't tell him that in the recruiting pitch lol).

Aust
07-01-2017, 12:37 AM
btw, the East continues to be an absolute joke. Yeesh! It's getting roasted on twitter and rightfully so.

Scoots
07-01-2017, 12:42 AM
Oladipo may not be worth his contract but he's not terrible, Sabonis is actually interesting, and a draft pick, and PG is out of the East. Doesn't seem a bad deal to me.

PAOboston
07-01-2017, 12:49 AM
It basically came down to Indiana not wanting PG in the Eastern conference. So they dumped him to the Western Conference.

They could have made that deal 2 days from now. They chose to do it ronihjt before the FA period began. They knew Boston wouldn't make a deal before getting Hayward.

Ultimately, the return they got was pretty pathetic. Id be pissed if i was a Pacers fan. Not much Ainge can do if the other GM doesn't want to do business. Ainge was 100% correct in nor offering the BRK or LAL draft picks for PG.




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Aust
07-01-2017, 12:54 AM
David Aldridge‏ @daldridgetnt

Thunder played long game, didn't bombard or crowd Indy because OKC knew Pacers liked Oladipo/Sabonis. Waited them out


David Aldridge‏ @daldridgetnt

Pacers just didn't like offers they got this time around. Cs wouldn't give Brown/Tatum; Indy wasn't interested in Boston vets/non BKN picks.

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hugepatsfan
07-01-2017, 12:55 AM
It basically came down to Indiana not wanting PG in the Eastern conference. So they dumped him to the Western Conference.

They could have made that deal 2 days from now. They chose to do it ronihjt before the FA period began. They knew Boston wouldn't make a deal before getting Hayward.

Ultimately, the return they got was pretty pathetic. Id be pissed if i was a Pacers fan. Not much Ainge can do if the other GM doesn't want to do business. Ainge was 100% correct in nor offering the BRK or LAL draft picks for PG.




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I think the LAL/SAC/PHI pick should have been in play. I would have put it in play. But I can understand the other side.