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hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 11:40 AM
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880087788242083841


After Chris Paul agreed to opt-in on contract, Clippers are trading All-Star guard to the Houston Rockets, league sources tell @TheVertical

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880088294700331008


Sources: After Paul informed Clippers he'd sign w/ HOU in FA, teams agreed to deal sending Beverley, Decker, Williams and 2018 FRP for Paul.

Crackadalic
06-28-2017, 11:41 AM
Woah. I'm excited how Harden and CP3 will co-exist in the back court.

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Same. Not sure how two ball dominate guards will work out. Someone has to sacrifice

FOXHOUND
06-28-2017, 11:41 AM
Beverley, Decker, Williams and a 2018 1st for Chris Paul.

minato_17
06-28-2017, 11:42 AM
Woah. I'm excited how Harden and CP3 will co-exist in the back court.

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FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 11:44 AM
So much for Harden playing PG... this is going to be a fun backcourt.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 11:44 AM
Harden and CP3 are both perfectly capable of playing off-ball so I don't think they'll have a problem co-existing. It's just a matter of if their skill sets are maximized playing with each other. I'm sure it will work out great though because they're both awesome players.

Greet
06-28-2017, 11:45 AM
Wow, Clippers got a great deal for a guy that said he was going to Houston anyways.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 11:46 AM
I wonder where the Clips go from here... let Blake walk and trade Jordan for a tear-down? Or keep both and retool with what should be a much deeper roster after this deal?

YAALREADYKNO
06-28-2017, 11:47 AM
It'll be fun to watch but they still ain't ****in with golden state

FOXHOUND
06-28-2017, 11:48 AM
Something else happening because that is not nearly enough money going out to take on Paul's opt in of $34M. They must have found someone to eat Ryan Anderson's contract.

Chronz
06-28-2017, 11:49 AM
I cant believe I just started a thread on why cp3 was never meant to play with Blake and how he should return or leave to SAS.

Westbrook36
06-28-2017, 11:49 AM
Wojbombs are the best

What else can the Rockets do to improve their chances against GS? I would imagine adding another 3+D wing players would be at the top of the list

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 11:49 AM
1) Two huge floppers.
2) One guy plays elite defense while the other doesn't play any.
3) Both can shoot.
4) Both can hit FT's.
5) Both have a great skillset to get others involved.
6) Both are pretty good midrange shooters.
7) Both can draw fouls by attacking the paint.

This is a good move by the Rockets. Capela will be getting lobs from every direction.

The goods
06-28-2017, 11:51 AM
I don't see Griffin staying, that team is going to suffer without Paul

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 11:51 AM
I cant believe I just started a thread on why cp3 was never meant to play with Blake and how he should return or leave to SAS.

You have some impeccable timing.

Chronz
06-28-2017, 11:51 AM
I wonder where the Clips go from here... let Blake walk and trade Jordan for a tear-down? Or keep both and retool with what should be a much deeper roster after this deal?

Bevs is the ideal player for Blake. Maybe sending him the sign they want to build around him now. Its what I did in 2k when I traded CP3 to the Spurs. Life imitates my video game life to a degree

Yanks All Day
06-28-2017, 11:52 AM
So the Rockets are looking at:

PG: Chris Paul
SG: James Harden
SF: Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Clint Capella

6th: Eric Gordon

That's a solid 6. Think the team needs a little more to compete with Golden State (particularly at the SF position), but that looks like the 2nd best team in the West on paper. I love the move.

FOXHOUND
06-28-2017, 11:53 AM
I cant believe I just started a thread on why cp3 was never meant to play with Blake and how he should return or leave to SAS.

Where do you want the Clippers to go from here?

Chronz
06-28-2017, 11:53 AM
Can the Clips get bad enough to tank for Ayton? How well can Blake lead them

Westbrook36
06-28-2017, 11:53 AM
So the Rockets are looking at:

PG: Chris Paul
SG: James Harden
SF: Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Clint Capella

6th: Eric Gordon

That's a solid 6. Think the team needs a little more to compete with Golden State (particularly at the SF position), but that looks like the 2nd best team in the West on paper. I love the move.

If I were them I would flip Anderson and his 19 million for a 3/D SF and replacement PF..No tall task given that he has 3 years left with seemingly always being banged up with injuries.

rhino17
06-28-2017, 11:54 AM
As a huge Rockets, I'm not very excited about this.

lakerfan85
06-28-2017, 11:54 AM
I think the Rockets are making a mistake here.. Harden played amazing with the ball in his hands last season..

THE MTL
06-28-2017, 11:54 AM
Can they coexist? Both are too ball dominant in my opinion. I really wanted him to go to San Antonio.

TO Rapz
06-28-2017, 11:55 AM
Lol the Clipperse got 10x the package the Bulls got. They got 10x the package the Kings got. And each of Cousins and Butler actually had term. I get that CP3 is a tier above (atleast IMO), but this just shows how bad the Bulls and Kings did. Surprisingly, Doc did okay.

TO Rapz
06-28-2017, 11:55 AM
If I were them I would flip Anderson and his 19 million for a 3/D SF and replacement PF..No tall task given that he has 3 years left with seemingly always being banged up with injuries.

Ryno for Carroll.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 11:57 AM
I'm kinda confused why the Spurs didn't pounce in on this deal. Clippers could have gotten LA and Spurs would have shaved that cap from LA for CP3.. and it's for one year so if it doesn't work out, they would have cap space available the next seasons. And SA is literally hours away from Houston.. I think Spurs would have been better but man, NO MORE EXCUSES for CP3. If he doesn't get deep with this roster, he will never do it as the best on the team (or 2nd best).

Gibby23
06-28-2017, 11:57 AM
As a huge Rockets, I'm not very excited about this.

Why? Imagine how much better they will be with less turnovers.

rhino17
06-28-2017, 12:00 PM
Why? Imagine how much better they will be with less turnovers.

Harden is the best PG in basketball, yes better than Paul. His turnovers are inconsequential, he handles the ball more than anyone in the league. He averages less turnovers per dribble than players like Kawai. I don't think they work together, I don't like the way Paul plays, he's not a winner, his attitude, etc.

TO Rapz
06-28-2017, 12:01 PM
You Rockets fans are crazy. CP3 is not a selfish player, and it's clear CP3 and Harden wanted to do whatever they can to play with each other. When that's the case, being too "ball dominant" is not an issue. If CP3 was Westbrook, I'd maybe agree a bit more. But CP3 isn't effective with volume.

You have two top end players, you don't win in the NBA without players like this. STFU, you're lucky.

DanG
06-28-2017, 12:01 PM
They improved, alot. Still a Kawhi Leonard away from beating the Warriors sadly.

Gibby23
06-28-2017, 12:02 PM
Harden is the best PG in basketball, yes better than Paul. His turnovers are inconsequential, he handles the ball more than anyone in the league. He averages less turnovers per dribble than players like Kawai. I don't think they work together, I don't like the way Paul plays, he's not a winner, his attitude, etc.

I don't either, but That offense and CP3 could be fun. Had Kendall Marshal looking like a stud for a little bit. lol

dhopisthename
06-28-2017, 12:02 PM
I wonder why cp3 wants to play in houston so much. why not sign there instead of making them trade players.

Nikeman
06-28-2017, 12:03 PM
Waiting for a Woj bomb on Paul George.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:03 PM
Harden is the best PG in basketball, yes better than Paul. His turnovers are inconsequential, he handles the ball more than anyone in the league. He averages less turnovers per dribble than players like Kawai. I don't think they work together, I don't like the way Paul plays, he's not a winner, his attitude, etc.

1) Harden isn't the best PG. That's Steph. Unless you're saying he had a really good individual performance, then no, Westbrook was just as good - if not better.
2) It's about AST/TO ratio. IDC about the dribbling. Actually, if that's your reasoning for his turnovers, CP3 would help with that.
3) How is Paul not a winner but Harden is? I'm not sure what you're trying to depict here. CP3 is more of a "winner" than Harden. Attitude is a confusing one. I always got the attitude that Harden lacked a winning mentality. Refer to his OKC days..

The goods
06-28-2017, 12:03 PM
Lol the Clipperse got 10x the package the Bulls got. They got 10x the package the Kings got. And each of Cousins and Butler actually had term. I get that CP3 is a tier above (atleast IMO), but this just shows how bad the Bulls and Kings did. Surprisingly, Doc did okay.

That's all Jerry west.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:04 PM
Jerry West approved of this so hopefully this pans out for a bigger plan.

FOXHOUND
06-28-2017, 12:04 PM
Rockets have $8.7M of cap space.

Chris Paul's opt in is for $34.3M

Williams, Beverley and Dekker combine for $14.3M.

$14.3M + $8.7M = $23M

Where's the other $10M or so coming from? Gotta see what this Ryan Anderson trade is.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:05 PM
I wonder why cp3 wants to play in houston so much. why not sign there instead of making them trade players.

Because he has 34.3 million reasons to opt-in.

Bostonjorge
06-28-2017, 12:07 PM
I don't get this for the Clippers. Decker is good but not trade Paul good.

LA4life24/8
06-28-2017, 12:07 PM
Wtf?!!!!! Where did this come from?! Please tell me this doesnt mean the Rox are somehow landing pg13 as well :(


Also still fhuck david stern for "The Veto" lol

lakerfan85
06-28-2017, 12:07 PM
Melo will get bought out and be a Rocket soon..

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:07 PM
Eric Gordon is getting traded for possibly Melo or PG... watch out for that..

Chronz
06-28-2017, 12:08 PM
Did CP3 get the super max here? Cuz if not why not go to SAS? Harden and CP3 together? Why does Houston keep going back and forth in how they want to build with Harden? Dont they need defense or is this to help Harden stay fresh and actually try putting forth championship effort on that end?

metswon69
06-28-2017, 12:09 PM
Great move by the Rox. Clips era over?

Did they ever really have an era?

Yanks All Day
06-28-2017, 12:09 PM
You Rockets fans are crazy. CP3 is not a selfish player, and it's clear CP3 and Harden wanted to do whatever they can to play with each other. When that's the case, being too "ball dominant" is not an issue. If CP3 was Westbrook, I'd maybe agree a bit more. But CP3 isn't effective with volume.

You have two top end players, you don't win in the NBA without players like this. STFU, you're lucky.

Exactly. This is the EXACT type of team you need to challenge Golden State. The Warriors are at their very best when Klay can take the best guard on the other team and Curry can focus solely on offense. This move doesn't allow for that now. Steph has to use energy to guard CP3. Klay has to chase Harden around. There's no down time on defense. On paper, it makes sense.

Now, for who guards KD? Ariza is the obvious answer, but they need more offense from the SF position. This is a good move for matchups. Think they still need a little more, though.

I'm not sure if the Rockets have any cap space, but if they have any assets at all, go get Andre Iguodala. Have 2 defensive specialists against KD and hope your guards out-play the Dubs. It's a decent strategy.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:09 PM
Harden is the best PG in basketball, yes better than Paul. His turnovers are inconsequential, he handles the ball more than anyone in the league. He averages less turnovers per dribble than players like Kawai. I don't think they work together, I don't like the way Paul plays, he's not a winner, his attitude, etc.

Can never have too many playmakers and you all have 2 very elite playmakers who can both play off ball as well.

Cheer up man!

LA4life24/8
06-28-2017, 12:09 PM
Eric Gordon is getting traded for possibly Melo or PG... watch out for that..

God this is kinda what i was thinking...

Eric gordon+future 1sts for pg13 or melo

J4KOP99
06-28-2017, 12:10 PM
Why not San Antonio? Paul slows the rox down.

Gibby23
06-28-2017, 12:10 PM
Rockets have $8.7M of cap space.

Chris Paul's opt in is for $34.3M

Williams, Beverley and Dekker combine for $14.3M.

$14.3M + $8.7M = $23M

Where's the other $10M or so coming from? Gotta see what this Ryan Anderson trade is.

Need about 5 to 6 million for it to work. Can be off a little bit.

BKLYNpigeon
06-28-2017, 12:10 PM
Superteams are fun.


Nice pickup for the rockets.

shep33
06-28-2017, 12:10 PM
Great move by the Rox. Clips era over?

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:10 PM
Waiting for a Woj bomb on Paul George.

I am too lol. I wonder if Houston ups their offer now.

aman_13
06-28-2017, 12:11 PM
I wonder why cp3 wants to play in houston so much. why not sign there instead of making them trade players.

SAS is saying that there is a good chance Melo will go there if he gets his buyout.

shep33
06-28-2017, 12:11 PM
Yeah, I really thought he'd be outstanding in San Antonio and have a better shot at winning. Rox is an interesting move, but CP3 is unselfish and will fit in anywhere.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:12 PM
Did CP3 get the super max here? Cuz if not why not go to SAS? Harden and CP3 together? Why does Houston keep going back and forth in how they want to build with Harden? Dont they need defense or is this to help Harden stay fresh and actually try putting forth championship effort on that end?

I was wondering too. I'd rather have LaMarcus than the package Houston sent. Helps both teams in terms of fit.. Don't resign Blake.

mrblisterdundee
06-28-2017, 12:12 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski tweets (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) Chris Paul is being traded to the Rockets.

LA4life24/8
06-28-2017, 12:12 PM
Great move by the Rox. Clips era over?

For now... i actually see blake staying now though, rumor was he wanted away from cp3 outta his shadow. Clips are his now. Him and DJ (unless they unload him too) reddick is definetly gone now

Bevs
Lou
Ba moute (sp? Lmao)
Blake
dj

Not turrible

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:12 PM
How is CP3s opt in 34.3M? Are you sure about that?

mrblisterdundee
06-28-2017, 12:13 PM
Whoops. Didn't notice Hugepatsfan's thread.

Chronz
06-28-2017, 12:13 PM
Exactly. This is the EXACT type of team you need to challenge Golden State. The Warriors are at their very best when Klay can take the best guard on the other team and Curry can focus solely on offense. This move doesn't allow for that now. Steph has to use energy to guard CP3. Klay has to chase Harden around. There's no down time on defense. On paper, it makes sense.

Now, for who guards KD? Ariza is the obvious answer, but they need more offense from the SF position. This is a good move for matchups. Think they still need a little more, though.

I'm not sure if the Rockets have any cap space, but if they have any assets at all, go get Andre Iguodala. Have 2 defensive specialists against KD and hope your guards out-play the Dubs. It's a decent strategy.

They'll just hide Curry on Ariza tho

BKLYNpigeon
06-28-2017, 12:13 PM
At least rockets got something in return. Better then nothing.

dhopisthename
06-28-2017, 12:14 PM
Because he has 34.3 million reasons to opt-in.

he can get more than that in free agency.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:14 PM
Harden+PG+CP3 is good enough to beat the Warriors.

Vinylman
06-28-2017, 12:15 PM
Something else happening because that is not nearly enough money going out to take on Paul's opt in of $34M. They must have found someone to eat Ryan Anderson's contract.

what? his deal for next year is only $24 million not $34 million... he isn't opting out

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:15 PM
he can get more than that in free agency.

He probably doesn't want to sign a contract longer than one year. Banana boat man.. it's not a coincidence that LeBron+Melo+Wade+CP3 are ALL free agents in 2018. Like, seriously, think about that. How much of a coincidence is that?

aman_13
06-28-2017, 12:16 PM
Morey going after PG as well.

mrblisterdundee
06-28-2017, 12:16 PM
This isn't a very good fit for Paul, and the Rockets are still not real contenders. They needed a two-way beast in the front court, and nothing less, to really contend.

homie564
06-28-2017, 12:17 PM
Harden+PG+CP3 is good enough to beat the Warriors.

I'm not sure. They don't have the top to bottom depth GSW has. It puts them in contention for sure... but I still think a healthy Golden State wins in 6


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FOXHOUND
06-28-2017, 12:18 PM
Need about 5 to 6 million for it to work. Can be off a little bit.

That's true, but they're out of smaller contracts. After Anderson's $19.6M and Gordon's $12.9M, you've got Ariza's $7.4M and then Capela at $2.3M. I imagine they'll want to keep Ariza as a 3 and D wing, but I suppose they could move him instead and look to replace him with the MLE of $8M and change?

rhino17
06-28-2017, 12:19 PM
1) Harden isn't the best PG. That's Steph. Unless you're saying he had a really good individual performance, then no, Westbrook was just as good - if not better.
2) It's about AST/TO ratio. IDC about the dribbling. Actually, if that's your reasoning for his turnovers, CP3 would help with that.
3) How is Paul not a winner but Harden is? I'm not sure what you're trying to depict here. CP3 is more of a "winner" than Harden. Attitude is a confusing one. I always got the attitude that Harden lacked a winning mentality. Refer to his OKC days..

Harden Has been the WCF and the Finals, Paul hasn't done **** ever

dhopisthename
06-28-2017, 12:19 PM
He probably doesn't want to sign a contract longer than one year. Banana boat man.. it's not a coincidence that LeBron+Melo+Wade+CP3 are ALL free agents in 2018. Like, seriously, think about that. How much of a coincidence is that?

so sign a one year deal with an opt out? as vinylman pointed out his contract is only 24 million and he could have gotten over 30 million in free agency.

Htownballa1622
06-28-2017, 12:19 PM
Just came here to laugh at everyone who said he'd WANT to go to spurs and that Rockets didn't make sense. TWO great ball handlers makes sense. In what world does it not?

Still need more to beat Warriors but we're not rolling over and playing dead!

SO EXCITED

FOXHOUND
06-28-2017, 12:19 PM
what? his deal for next year is only $24 million not $34 million... he isn't opting out

Oh is it? **** me then. lmao

$34M was his cap hold after the opt out. :o

Vinylman
06-28-2017, 12:20 PM
That's true, but they're out of smaller contracts. After Anderson's $19.6M and Gordon's $12.9M, you've got Ariza's $7.4M and then Capela at $2.3M. I imagine they'll want to keep Ariza as a 3 and D wing, but I suppose they could move him instead and look to replace him with the MLE of $8M and change?

dude ... your wrong ... his number for next year is a little over $24 million ... maybe slightly more if they have to pay the trade kicker he has in his deal

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:21 PM
Harden Has been the WCF and the Finals, Paul hasn't done **** ever

None of what you just said depicts Harden's attitude and ability to win. I'm not sure why you think Harden is more than a winner than CP3 considering he has been absolutely horrendous in the Finals. Man, never seen someone upset about getting a top ten player.. lol..

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:21 PM
I know they want to trade Ryan too so that's 20M and he fits well next to Turner, Kristaps, or...........Robin Lopez lmao

FOXHOUND
06-28-2017, 12:21 PM
He probably doesn't want to sign a contract longer than one year. Banana boat man.. it's not a coincidence that LeBron+Melo+Wade+CP3 are ALL free agents in 2018. Like, seriously, think about that. How much of a coincidence is that?

Banana boat living.

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 12:21 PM
Freaking love this move. It's like Christmas morning. I was all-in on Griffin based solely on the assumption that I didn't think they had a chance at Paul or that Harden and CP3 could coexist in the same back court.

But the more I think about it, I actually think this is exactly what the Rockets need. Look at Cleveland and Golden State, and both teams have at least two guys who have the offense run through them at any given time. The Rockets needed a No. 2 and a true second playmaker. Yes, the ball will have to be out of Harden's hands, but I kinda think he needs that. There was way too much pressure on him the last few seasons, and way too many games came down to him playing iso basketball with the defense knowing in advance that it was coming.

Like others have already said, I still don't think this is enough to legitimately compete with Golden State. But maybe they can make a move to improve at the forward spots? If Stephen A. Smith is right and the Rockets can add Melo, THAT is a legitimately terrifying team on paper.

Vinylman
06-28-2017, 12:22 PM
so sign a one year deal with an opt out? as vinylman pointed out his contract is only 24 million and he could have gotten over 30 million in free agency.

I am not sure but I would assume with only two years left on his deal he can sign an extension after he gets there and they decide how they want to manage the cap hit on him vis a vis other moves

LA4life24/8
06-28-2017, 12:22 PM
Fhuck man... ill give it to rox fans... morey gets **** done lol maybe there will be at least one team to give dubs a run for their money.. MAYBE

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:23 PM
so sign a one year deal with an opt out? as vinylman pointed out his contract is only 24 million and he could have gotten over 30 million in free agency.

Because maybe they want other moves... AKA, if they trade for CP3, they get the cap space to fit and make other moves for PG or Melo. Let's see. No one knows what the deal really is right now.

Sadds The Gr8
06-28-2017, 12:23 PM
shocking trade. they still need like Paul George before they can even sniff GSW tho.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:23 PM
So with it only being 24M how much cap space does this give the Rockets?

Gibby23
06-28-2017, 12:24 PM
So with it only being 24M how much cap space does this give the Rockets?

None

goingfor28
06-28-2017, 12:24 PM
Harden Has been the WCF and the Finals, Paul hasn't done **** ever
Great reasoning :laugh2:

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WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:24 PM
Morey said he has some huge moves in mind a couple weeks ago. The Rockets definitely aren't done.

Gibby23
06-28-2017, 12:25 PM
So with it only being 24M how much cap space does this give the Rockets?

They had about 11 million open to absorb the balance.

rhino17
06-28-2017, 12:25 PM
None of what you just said depicts Harden's attitude and ability to win. I'm not sure why you think Harden is more than a winner than CP3 considering he has been absolutely horrendous in the Finals. Man, never seen someone upset about getting a top ten player.. lol..

Harden is a top 5 player, Paul is a whiner, a guy that doesn't win, and a guy that isn't liked by his teammates. Rockets fans in general are not happy about this. This doesn't make the team any closer to beating the warriors.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:26 PM
Freaking love this move. It's like Christmas morning. I was all-in on Griffin based solely on the assumption that I didn't think they had a chance at Paul or that Harden and CP3 could coexist in the same back court.

But the more I think about it, I actually think this is exactly what the Rockets need. Look at Cleveland and Golden State, and both teams have at least two guys who have the offense run through them at any given time. The Rockets needed a No. 2 and a true second playmaker. Yes, the ball will have to be out of Harden's hands, but I kinda think he needs that. There was way too much pressure on him the last few seasons, and way too many games came down to him playing iso basketball with the defense knowing in advance that it was coming.

Like others have already said, I still don't think this is enough to legitimately compete with Golden State. But maybe they can make a move to improve at the forward spots? If Stephen A. Smith is right and the Rockets can add Melo, THAT is a legitimately terrifying team on paper.

This! People are overthinking the Harden and CP3 both want the ball stuff they'll be fine.

FOXHOUND
06-28-2017, 12:26 PM
So with it only being 24M how much cap space does this give the Rockets?

Basically 0, but they still have the MLE of $8.4M

Edit: My math is ****ed today. Thanks, Phil lol.

IndyRealist
06-28-2017, 12:27 PM
Eric Gordon is getting traded for possibly Melo or PG... watch out for that..

That's the rumored offer, Gordon and multiple 1sts. I'm guessing one of Capella or Harrell as well. I'd still rather have Boston's offer.

BKLYNpigeon
06-28-2017, 12:27 PM
Looks good on paper, but that style of play not going past WCF.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:27 PM
Harden is a top 5 player, Paul is a whiner, a guy that doesn't win, and a guy that isn't liked by his teammates. Rockets fans in general are not happy about this. This doesn't make the team any closer to beating the warriors.

WTF are you saying? Chris Paul isn't someone who wants to win, is a whiner, and isn't liked by his teammates? LMAO, Harden has been trying to get CP3 onto the Rockets! Rockets wanted CP3 so blame them! Man, Rockets fans in general are not happy about this? Yeah, they're upset they got a top ten player and elite defender! Man, never seen someone complain about getting a top ten player.. some teams have NONE. You guys have two! Be happy, holy fck!

Chronz
06-28-2017, 12:27 PM
Harden Has been the WCF and the Finals, Paul hasn't done **** ever

lol you mean the series they won because the coach was smart enough to bench Harden. A series where Dwight was easily the more impactful Rocket. LOL, what a winner.

Lots of inferior "winners" have gone further than CP3, why would anyone think making the WCF is anything but a team accomplishment is beyond me.

lakerfan85
06-28-2017, 12:28 PM
Just thought of something.. Would Dantoni want To coach Melo again?

Bostonjorge
06-28-2017, 12:29 PM
Rockets just need a big who can catch ally ops and just dunk period. Paul will make that big look close to elite.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:29 PM
Lmao the Rockets are for sure better now. Say what you want about CP3 not making it far but this is the first time in his career he isn't the best player on the team. Harden can lead them further if that gives you hope.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:30 PM
That's the rumored offer, Gordon and multiple 1sts. I'm guessing one of Capella or Harrell as well. I'd still rather have Boston's offer.

Meh, I like Capella... I'd keep the guy. He's damn good at finishing below the rim and he's on a really good contract. Ryan Andersen was a poor signing. He's literally a Channing Frye.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2017, 12:30 PM
nice trade for Houston. They get immediately better, and probably fight for 2nd seed, and the right to most likely get beat in 5-6 games by GS. But, the rest of the league can't just give up, and GS could always get an injury or 2..

Harden's usage drops, which is a good thing for his defense of course.

BKLYNpigeon
06-28-2017, 12:30 PM
It's funny that free agency is 2 days away and all these deals are being negotiated.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:31 PM
$5M or so with Nene's cap hold, but they still have the MLE of $8.4M

Thanks, looks like they may have a little to absorb in a trade then.

NYKnickFanatic
06-28-2017, 12:31 PM
Poor DJ. Blake and CP3 basically held him hostage to stay and now they are leaving.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-28-2017, 12:31 PM
Lol the Clipperse got 10x the package the Bulls got. They got 10x the package the Kings got. And each of Cousins and Butler actually had term. I get that CP3 is a tier above (atleast IMO), but this just shows how bad the Bulls and Kings did. Surprisingly, Doc did okay.

I'm struggling to understand how Beverly, Williams, Dekker + a pick likely in the 24-28 range is 10x the package the Bulls and Kings got.

Beverly is 28 with 2 years left on his deal
Williams is 30 with 1 year left on his deal
Dekker, while still young and on a rookie deal, how big is his upside?

For me this trade gets the Clips something back so they don't lose CP3 for nothing, but does nothing but keep them in late lottery/1st round exit purgatory.

Bulls and Kings at least got 2-3 players with good upside and while allowing them to bottom out for a few seasons to add on a few high-end draft picks.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:32 PM
To be fair on CP3, he didn't really have much when Blake was injured. Doc is an incompetent GM who doesn't have a clue how to create a team. He's actually a pretty darn average coach anyways. But wow, this guy here acting like Harden is so much more of a winner than CP3 is silly. And no one questions CP3 competitiveness. Harden on the other hand? C'mon, not even close.

Bostonjorge
06-28-2017, 12:32 PM
I'm struggling to understand how Beverly, Williams, Dekker + a pick likely in the 24-28 range is 10x the package the Bulls and Kings got.

Beverly is 28 with 2 years left on his deal
Williams is 30 with 1 year left on his deal
Dekker, while still young and on a rookie deal, how big is his upside?

For me this trade gets the Clips something back so they don't lose CP3 for nothing, but does nothing but keep them in late lottery/1st round exit purgatory.

Bulls and Kings at least got 2-3 players with good upside and while allowing them to bottom out for a few seasons to add on a few high-end draft picks.

Exactly

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:33 PM
nice trade for Houston. They get immediately better, and probably fight for 2nd seed, and the right to most likely get beat in 5-6 games by GS. But, the rest of the league can't just give up, and GS could always get an injury or 2..

Harden's usage drops, which is a good thing for his defense of course.

It was always weird for me to see Harden's defense drop this way because he was a pretty darn good defender for us. He's improved offensively but that has to have hurt his defense. He isn't in the best of shape so hopefully CP3 can help him get more motivated.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:33 PM
Poor DJ. Blake and CP3 basically held him hostage to stay and now they are leaving.

The guy should learn how to hit FT's and create some post moves...

BKLYNpigeon
06-28-2017, 12:35 PM
Incremental improvement. Pat Beverly was great for them last season and a better defender then cp3.

I just don't know how well ball dominate co3 will mesh on and off the court with Houston.

Htownballa1622
06-28-2017, 12:36 PM
Please excuse any Rockets fans that don't like this deal.

Clear upgrade. Not to Warriors level but still shooting for the stars. ;)

smith&wesson
06-28-2017, 12:37 PM
Something else happening because that is not nearly enough money going out to take on Paul's opt in of $34M. They must have found someone to eat Ryan Anderson's contract.

Probably Anderson is included in he deal. Would make sense to have a streatch 4 next to DJ. I actually dont mind this for the Clips. Beverly is awesome .. he is so under rated.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:37 PM
CP3 and Harden are in contact with George trying to get a trade to Houston.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:37 PM
Please excuse any Rockets fans that don't like this deal.

Clear upgrade. Not to Warriors level but still shooting for the stars. ;)

And they're no done yet!

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:38 PM
So CP3 picked Houston because HE WANTS to play more off ball

Chronz
06-28-2017, 12:38 PM
CP3 was already sharing the ball with Blake, the reason I wanted CP3 in SAS is to see him unleashed as the bonafide PG of the team. He shared that role with Blake and now Harden. Kawhi plays much truer to his position so it would have been a better fit and there would be less question of how the credit should be dispersed, with Harden, he has soo much left to answer for that its an odd pairing historically.

IndyRealist
06-28-2017, 12:38 PM
Meh, I like Capella... I'd keep the guy. He's damn good at finishing below the rim and he's on a really good contract. Ryan Andersen was a poor signing. He's literally a Channing Frye.

Capella does 90% of what dwight did at 10% of the price, and doesn't demand touches. He's definitely a keeper.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:40 PM
I don't really see an offer than the Celtics can't easily trump though. I guess we'll see.

8kobe24
06-28-2017, 12:41 PM
Wow, curious to see who sacrifices what between him and harden and how it works out. Pretty soon DJ will be the face of the Krippers lol

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:41 PM
So CP3 picked Houston because HE WANTS to play more off ball

Makes sense. They can both handle PG/SG duties. There is no such thing as a PG ballhandler anymore. That's such a traditional position that has been delegated to whoever makes the best decision. He's 32 and when Blake was injured, he was getting all the defensive coverage. This was a huge move by the Rockets.. I can't see why anyone would hate it. CP3 was someone I was advocating we trade RWB for about three years ago.. CP3 hasn't declined much (if at all).

IndyRealist
06-28-2017, 12:42 PM
I don't really see an offer than the Celtics can't easily trump though. I guess we'll see.

Unless the Celtics don't get Hayward, in which case they back out of the deal and Indy goes to plan Q.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2017, 12:43 PM
It was always weird for me to see Harden's defense drop this way because he was a pretty darn good defender for us. He's improved offensively but that has to have hurt his defense. He isn't in the best of shape so hopefully CP3 can help him get more motivated.

I mean, he really took his offensive role and ran with the excuse that he needs to save it for that end.

archdevil84
06-28-2017, 12:43 PM
didnt CP3 and harden hate eachother?

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:44 PM
Unless the Celtics don't get Hayward, in which case they back out of the deal and Indy goes to plan Q.

Yea true. I see on twitter a lot that Miami is a serious threat to land Hayward.

BKLYNpigeon
06-28-2017, 12:44 PM
CP3 and Harden are in contact with George trying to get a trade to Houston.

That doesn't matter. Indy will trade for the best offer for their team.

aman_13
06-28-2017, 12:44 PM
Forget the Celtics, if I'm PG, I'm looking the Rockets. That's a team that has a chance to truly contend.

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 12:44 PM
Harden is a top 5 player, Paul is a whiner, a guy that doesn't win, and a guy that isn't liked by his teammates. Rockets fans in general are not happy about this. This doesn't make the team any closer to beating the warriors.

Yeah, I don't think we're on the same page, man. Paul is easily one of the five greatest PGs of all-time and one of the greatest pick and roll creators in the history of the league, and he's getting to play on a team that thrives in the pick and roll. Also, his playoff failures are drastically overblown. The guy's postseason numbers are monstrous.

I think Paul will take a ton of pressure off Harden, and I'm sure sure their minutes will be staggered to allow for them to both play point in different rotations. And this should really only be the first domino to drop. I expect Morey to add at least one more key piece and then build up the bench afterward.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:45 PM
Makes sense. They can both handle PG/SG duties. There is no such thing as a PG ballhandler anymore. That's such a traditional position that has been delegated to whoever makes the best decision. He's 32 and when Blake was injured, he was getting all the defensive coverage. This was a huge move by the Rockets.. I can't see why anyone would hate it. CP3 was someone I was advocating we trade RWB for about three years ago.. CP3 hasn't declined much (if at all).


I agree. Houston fans should be ecstatic.

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 12:45 PM
didnt CP3 and harden hate eachother?

Based on what? I've never heard anything like that. They've played together with Team USA for years, and Harden undoubtedly gave Morey the go-ahead on this before the trigger was pulled.

BKLYNpigeon
06-28-2017, 12:46 PM
Cp3 should have done the sign and trade to get his full max. Risky.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:46 PM
And they just got their 3rd star:

Deandre Liggins for cash

Mell413
06-28-2017, 12:46 PM
I like this move for Houston. Probably leaves them a player short of matching up with Golden State. Maybe they end up getting Milsap. Morey said he had something planned. I doubt he's done.

Vinylman
06-28-2017, 12:47 PM
I don't really see an offer than the Celtics can't easily trump though. I guess we'll see.

true but the one thing the Celtics CAN'T get George to do is agree to an extension if he wants to go to Houston...

gonna be fun to see what happens... if George is going to Houston it will happen before FA

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:47 PM
Forget the Celtics, if I'm PG, I'm looking the Rockets. That's a team that has a chance to truly contend.

If they get PG, they should be able to compete with the Warriors.

Curry vs CP3
PG vs KD
Harden vs Klay

Draymond is the only other guy Houston can't match up against but Capela+Andersen are good enough to cause problems.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:47 PM
Forget the Celtics, if I'm PG, I'm looking the Rockets. That's a team that has a chance to truly contend.

I agree much more top heavy than the Celtics and in the end that will matter most imo. They have 2 players who are on a different planet than any Celtics player.

Vee-Rex
06-28-2017, 12:48 PM
Absolutely love this deal for Houston. Takes a load of pressure off of Harden and allows him to play off an elite ball-handler and play-maker. Works vice-versa too.

If they can somehow acquire George while keeping Capela I think they just might challenge the Warriors.

Love it. And good for the Clips to get SOMETHING for CP3 since it looked like he was leaving anyway.

aman_13
06-28-2017, 12:48 PM
If they get PG, they should be able to compete with the Warriors.

Curry vs CP3
PG vs KD
Harden vs Klay

Draymond is the only other guy Houston can't match up against but Capela+Andersen are good enough to cause problems.

Yeah that's a legitimate contender and one you could see upset the Warriors who would still be favorites.

Htownballa1622
06-28-2017, 12:50 PM
Yeah, I don't think we're on the same page, man. Paul is easily one of the five greatest PGs of all-time and one of the greatest pick and roll creators in the history of the league, and he's getting to play on a team that thrives in the pick and roll. Also, his playoff failures are drastically overblown. The guy's postseason numbers are monstrous.

I think Paul will take a ton of pressure off Harden, and I'm sure sure their minutes will be staggered to allow for them to both play point in different rotations. And this should really only be the first domino to drop. I expect Morey to add at least one more key piece and then build up the bench afterward.

EXACTLY.

We've long clamored for a secondary playmaker. What better playmaker was available?

Lebron and Kyrie both handle ball. Playmakers are ideal in todays league. I don't see how this isn't a no brainer(too many double negatives lol)

Morey still working...to be continued..

MBT! We're in this!

aman_13
06-28-2017, 12:50 PM
I agree much more top heavy than the Celtics and in the end that will matter most imo. They have 2 players who are on a different planet than any Celtics player.

The Celtics are talented but it just does not compare to playing with Harden and CP3. Melo may also go there if he can get bought out.

He's also close to LA.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:51 PM
880104739660152832

So trade for George and get Melo through buyout.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 12:54 PM
Obviously you make the move, just don't see how CP AND JH games fit together. They can both shoot the three but they both so ball dominant. I don't think they improved by allot

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 12:54 PM
I'm sick of the PG and Melo news. They are rumored to go to so many teams it's just a waste of time following the rumors. Until Woj says anything, it's all moot. If I'm Melo, I'd go to the Cavs.. At the end of the day, you are playing with the best player in the world. Why go to Houston?

mudvayne387
06-28-2017, 12:54 PM
Ok, could someone with some more cap knowledge chime in ?

Would a Melo for Gordon/Ariza trade work ?

We all know Melo wants to play with CP3.

For the Knicks, they'd be getting a 6th man in Gordon and an expiring in Ariza while freeing up 5-6 million this summer.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 12:55 PM
What are they giving up for PG though? Sure they'd be awesome if they got him but what can they offer? Gordon, Capela and a 2020 1st rounder that projects to be late. Am I missing something here? I don't see how they land him. BOS and LA can easily top those offers. If the price is that low LA would say **** it and just get him and BOS would do it even if it was just a rental. I imagine CLE could get more for Love than that in a 3 team trade to.

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 12:55 PM
EXACTLY.

We've long clamored for a secondary playmaker. What better playmaker was available?

Lebron and Kyrie both handle ball. Playmakers are ideal in todays league. I don't see how this isn't a no brainer(too many double negatives lol)

Morey still working...to be continued..

MBT! We're in this!

Yeah, I'm totally stoked. But I'm trying to contain my excitement until we see what the next move is. As constructed this team is still damn good—probably a 60-win caliber squad. But I think they need another piece to be in the Golden State discussion, and Morey has to find that guy first.

I'll admit, though, that there is just a huge piece of me that can't wait to see Paul in a Rockets jersey. I've always been a fan of his game and have rooted for him for years. Outside of Lebron, there's no non-Rockets player I've admired more than Paul over the last decade. So to think of him playing in Rockets red next season is just insane.

Htownballa1622
06-28-2017, 12:56 PM
I don't think we'd trade for Melo. Just if he's bought out.

We are definitely trying to trade for Paul George though.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 12:56 PM
2017

Trade for CP3
Trade for George
Sign Melo and Wade through buyout

2018

Dump Anderson Gordon and Ariza
Sign LeBron
Resign everyone else

CP3
Harden/Wade
George
LeBron/Melo
Capela

Banana boat crew hits the ole Wild West!

Vee-Rex
06-28-2017, 12:58 PM
I'm stoked too. RED NATION IS HUNGRY.

I want George in Cleveland but if not C-Town I want him in a Rox uniform. CP3, Harden, George, Capela - there's your four. Then waves of vets and shooters and defenders who can contribute will be targets and you're looking at the next superteam.

Htownballa1622
06-28-2017, 12:58 PM
Yeah, I'm totally stoked. But I'm trying to contain my excitement until we see what the next move is. As constructed this team is still damn good—probably a 60-win caliber squad. But I think they need another piece to be in the Golden State discussion, and Morey has to find that guy first.

I'll admit, though, that there is just a huge piece of me that can't wait to see Paul in a Rockets jersey. I've always been a fan of his game and have rooted for him for years. Outside of Lebron, there's no non-Rockets player I've admired more than Paul over the last decade. So to think of him playing in Rockets red next season is just insane.

I'm with you. Just love that Morey isn't bowing down and sitting on his hands.

SLEEVES.

Definite upgrades needed to compete with Warriors in wcf BUT weird things have happened before(draymond kicks and dmo sweaty backs to Steph)

Cp3 will be phenomenal to watch in Rockets red.

Scoots
06-28-2017, 12:58 PM
And they just got their 3rd star:

Deandre Liggins for cash

Wasn't he a UFA?

LongIslandIcedZ
06-28-2017, 12:59 PM
Melo to the Rockets is an interesting idea, at least in the mind of fans.

Boston can top any offer for PG13, so I find it unlikely they land him.

Seems like buying out Melo isn't really an option, so he'd have to approve a trade. I think he would to a James Harden and CP3 tandem.

Probably not going to happen, but a Knick fan can dream.

They could get Melo with strictly trash, because the Knicks (at least fans) would just give him away.

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Hawkeye15
06-28-2017, 01:00 PM
Yeah, I don't think we're on the same page, man. Paul is easily one of the five greatest PGs of all-time and one of the greatest pick and roll creators in the history of the league, and he's getting to play on a team that thrives in the pick and roll. Also, his playoff failures are drastically overblown. The guy's postseason numbers are monstrous.

I think Paul will take a ton of pressure off Harden, and I'm sure sure their minutes will be staggered to allow for them to both play point in different rotations. And this should really only be the first domino to drop. I expect Morey to add at least one more key piece and then build up the bench afterward.

bingo.

Look, they still will be dogs against GS (who wouldn't in history). But this massively improves their chances.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 01:00 PM
Man, seeing how Morey is pulling off these moves and then seeing how our GM is sitting in some stupid beach chair really pisses me off. Presti made all these stupid moves and now we're stuck with nothing. Outside of our drafting, Presti has been terrible for us. Kinda hilarious too how the Knicks fire Phil and then the Rockets GM pulls off this trade. Nice.

Scoots
06-28-2017, 01:00 PM
I'm sick of the PG and Melo news. They are rumored to go to so many teams it's just a waste of time following the rumors. Until Woj says anything, it's all moot. If I'm Melo, I'd go to the Cavs.. At the end of the day, you are playing with the best player in the world. Why go to Houston?

No state tax?

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 01:00 PM
I'm sick of the PG and Melo news. They are rumored to go to so many teams it's just a waste of time following the rumors. Until Woj says anything, it's all moot. If I'm Melo, I'd go to the Cavs.. At the end of the day, you are playing with the best player in the world. Why go to Houston?
If Love is still in LA, I actually don't think Melo makes a ton of sense in Cleveland. Where is he going to get minutes? In Houston, the Rockets would probably have to move Anderson, and that frees up Melo to thrive as the Rockets stretch 4—where I think he's most dangerous. Also, Melo has wanted to play with Paul for years, so the mutual interest makes sense.


What are they giving up for PG though? Sure they'd be awesome if they got him but what can they offer? Gordon, Capela and a 2020 1st rounder that projects to be late. Am I missing something here? I don't see how they land him. BOS and LA can easily top those offers. If the price is that low LA would say **** it and just get him and BOS would do it even if it was just a rental. I imagine CLE could get more for Love than that in a 3 team trade to.
I agree with all of this. But I do think Geroge's long-term interest is the wild card here. What if he says "I won't re-sign in Boston, but I would re-sign in Houston?" That could hurt Ainge's interest in the trade and limit whatever package he's willing to offer. The Lakers, though, are tough. I can't imaging George saying he wouldn't be willing to re-sign in LA.

MygirlhatesCod
06-28-2017, 01:00 PM
im pretty sure CP3 wanted anywhere in Texas to maximize his money. makes sense to me. he is in the latter part of his career and has one more big payday. I just don't understand why he didn't pick the spurs. with the spurs he would have a much better chance of challenging the Dubs. just hope he can stay healthy long enough for the team to gel.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2017, 01:02 PM
well now I have to hate CP3 even more. 2 biggest floppers in the game on the same team, which is a bummer

lakerfan85
06-28-2017, 01:02 PM
well now I have to hate CP3 even more. 2 biggest floppers in the game on the same team, which is a bummer

Maybe they can add Derek Fisher and Vlade Divac to the roster as well..

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 01:03 PM
If Love is still in LA, I actually don't think Melo makes a ton of sense in Cleveland. Where is he going to get minutes? In Houston, the Rockets would probably have to move Anderson, and that frees up Melo to thrive as the Rockets stretch 4—where I think he's most dangerous. Also, Melo has wanted to play with Paul for years, so the mutual interest makes sense.


I agree with all of this. But I do think Geroge's long-term interest is the wild card here. What if he says "I won't re-sign in Boston, but I would re-sign in Houston?" That could hurt Ainge's interest in the trade and limit whatever package he's willing to offer. The Lakers, though, are tough. I can't imaging George saying he wouldn't be willing to re-sign in LA.

If that's the package to beat who cares if he won't re-sign? It such a low offer that if all you have to do is beat that you wouldn't even care if he walks. Some team would easily give up more than that for 3 years of Love so CLE could land him. LA's rumored offer to b eon the table already is better. BOS might pull out if they miss on a max but again, that's so low that even as a rental it's worth it.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 01:06 PM
Man, seeing how Morey is pulling off these moves and then seeing how our GM is sitting in some stupid beach chair really pisses me off. Presti made all these stupid moves and now we're stuck with nothing. Outside of our drafting, Presti has been terrible for us. Kinda hilarious too how the Knicks fire Phil and then the Rockets GM pulls off this trade. Nice.

Those Adams/Oladipo extensions combined with the Kanter match a few years ago have pretty much sunk your franchise. Even without Durant if it weren't for those moves there was a path back to contention or at least the flexibility to build one. With those moves though, I think you guys are pretty much stuck to being the AI 76ers. Maybe you break through for one deep playoff run but otherwise a bunch of Westbrook stats and 1st/2nd round exits.

mike_noodles
06-28-2017, 01:06 PM
I don't see how the Rockets could beat the Celtics offer for George, that doesn't make any sense.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 01:06 PM
No state tax?

He's in NY. I doubt the lack of state tax is the reason.


If Love is still in LA, I actually don't think Melo makes a ton of sense in Cleveland. Where is he going to get minutes? In Houston, the Rockets would probably have to move Anderson, and that frees up Melo to thrive as the Rockets stretch 4—where I think he's most dangerous. Also, Melo has wanted to play with Paul for years, so the mutual interest makes sense.


I agree with all of this. But I do think Geroge's long-term interest is the wild card here. What if he says "I won't re-sign in Boston, but I would re-sign in Houston?" That could hurt Ainge's interest in the trade and limit whatever package he's willing to offer. The Lakers, though, are tough. I can't imaging George saying he wouldn't be willing to re-sign in LA.


He also wants to play with the Cavs. The way I see Melo is if they can get him, they can slide Love at the C and Melo at PF. It all comes down to beating the Warriors. Hell, even put Love at the bench..

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 01:08 PM
Those Adams/Oladipo extensions combined with the Kanter match a few years ago have pretty much sunk your franchise. Even without Durant if it weren't for those moves there was a path back to contention or at least the flexibility to build one. With those moves though, I think you guys are pretty much stuck to being the AI 76ers. Maybe you break through for one deep playoff run but otherwise a bunch of Westbrook stats and 1st/2nd round exits.

Yup. I accepted this reality when we gave those extensions. I actually gave up trying to "compete" as a team and just wanted RWB to get that MVP. It's all we have going for us in terms of positive news. It's okay. We were never able going to beat the Warriors anyways and it's impossible to compete with RWB as your best player and win a championship. It's why I follow the Cavs like crazy, tbh.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 01:08 PM
Wasn't he a UFA?

Apparently he was on the Mavs. That's who traded him to the Rockets.

LA4life24/8
06-28-2017, 01:08 PM
well now I have to hate CP3 even more. 2 biggest floppers in the game on the same team, which is a bummer

Lmao. Word. Same. Ive disliked cp3 since his wake forest days cuz he was always being compared to deron Williams (im from illinois, huge illini fan) and it just carried over to the league lmao.

For about 3 hours i was a cp3 fan, then stern happned haha

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 01:09 PM
I don't see how the Rockets could beat the Celtics offer for George, that doesn't make any sense.

The Celtics probably pull out if they can't land another star through FA. Because if we're not adding another star there's no shot he re-signs and even if he did it's not nearly enough to matter for us in terms of ever beating CLE/GS. So what would be the point of giving up assets?

BUT, HOU's package is so low that you probably just do it anyway. Because who knows, maybe Durant, Lebron, Curry all are injured/hurt next year. Ya never know what can happen and for such a low offer it's not even a sweat to lose it for a rental.

HandsOnTheWheel
06-28-2017, 01:12 PM
Definitely need to get PG and another piece or two to even begin the Warriors super team discussion. Huge blow to the Spurs tho on Paul, what's their plan now?

KB24PG16
06-28-2017, 01:12 PM
wonder how denadre jordan gonna feel when the people that forced him to stay i.e cp3 and griffin leave to different teams and doc inevitably steps down because he doesn't do rebuilds or really much of anything besides coaching 3 hall of famers.

great to see teams like the wolves and rockets try to be competitive and makes moves to better themselves instead of just stock piling assets for the future to wait out the warriors like a *****

Scoots
06-28-2017, 01:12 PM
He's in NY. I doubt the lack of state tax is the reason.


You said "Why go to Houston?" ... lack of state tax in Houston is one reason. Not a very good one I'll admit :)

Scoots
06-28-2017, 01:14 PM
Apparently he was on the Mavs. That's who traded him to the Rockets.

Odd, the transaction wire said the Mavs opted not to bring him back ... apparently that paper work hadn't become official yet.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 01:14 PM
He's in NY. I doubt the lack of state tax is the reason.




He also wants to play with the Cavs. The way I see Melo is if they can get him, they can slide Love at the C and Melo at PF. It all comes down to beating the Warriors. Hell, even put Love at the bench..

Let's be real, it's impossible for anyone to really compete with GS. People talk about MIN because they got Butler - GS will sweep them easily on paper. If the Cavs swap out Love for PG honestly it still won't matter. BOS can pull off their PG/Hayward plan and they're not as good. Lebron/PG can end up in LA... not as good.

Maybe GS slips up one of those years but any of these scenarios we draw up... none of them are even arguable to be better than GS on paper.

All-In
06-28-2017, 01:14 PM
Yea, I like this move for Houston but I keep reading about how this improves their offense what about defense?

Whos Houstons best help defender?

Whos Houstons best perimeter defender?

Caplea and Ariza?

Caplea is still a couple years away from truly being able to read pick-and-roll converges fast enough to cover/recover ground....and Ariza is the only legitimate perimeter defender on the team, how may pick-and-rolls do you think it will take for Ariza to be switched?

The finals the past two years featured point guards who are average (Curry) to below average (Irving) defenders, so even tough CP3 is a very good defender, defensive switches can equalize that in a hurry

I like this move but IDK if they're better than the Spurs at this point, I think Kawhi is still the best player on the court and I like the Spurs defensive scheme more

Im really interested to see what other moves Morey has left

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 01:17 PM
Let's be real, it's impossible for anyone to really compete with GS. People talk about MIN because they got Butler - GS will sweep them easily on paper. If the Cavs swap out Love for PG honestly it still won't matter. BOS can pull off their PG/Hayward plan and they're not as good. Lebron/PG can end up in LA... not as good.

Maybe GS slips up one of those years but any of these scenarios we draw up... none of them are even arguable to be better than GS on paper.

I don't buy that. Cavs should have tied up the Warriors because game 3 was a huge loss for the Cavs. It should have been 3-2 heading back to Quickens.. and those aren't exactly impossible odds. This could have very well gone to SEVEN games. I'm not even sure what on paper means. Warriors have moves to make, too. Iguodala and Livingston are huge pieces to their bench production. Let's not pretend that they are going to roll over the Rockets or Cavs if moves are made for PG/Melo. I just don't see it.

Scoots
06-28-2017, 01:19 PM
I don't buy that. Cavs should have tied up the Warriors because game 3 was a huge loss for the Cavs. It should have been 3-2 heading back to Quickens.. and those aren't exactly impossible odds. This could have very well gone to SEVEN games. I'm not even sure what on paper means. Warriors have moves to make, too. Iguodala and Livingston are huge pieces to their bench production. Let's not pretend that they are going to roll over the Rockets or Cavs if moves are made for PG/Melo. I just don't see it.

I sort of agree. But to get to 4-1 the Cavs best players were playing at an incredibly high level.

Livingston isn't nearly as important as Iguodala ... he's the only real key piece for the Warriors this off-season.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 01:21 PM
I don't see why people are having trouble seeing that Rockets played two PG's out there last season as well. Beverley is a PG and was out there because Harden couldn't defend. You're getting a leader, elite defender, and one of the most efficient players in NBA history in terms of PER and even TS%. He's the most efficient PG in NBA history. Rockets got a steal but it's still a one year deal. I think you guys are going to have to deal with the inevitable that CP3 may leave after next season and you guys will only have Harden and Andersen.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 01:23 PM
Tim Quarterman to the Rockets for cash

Scoots
06-28-2017, 01:25 PM
I don't see why people are having trouble seeing that Rockets played two PG's out there last season as well. Beverley is a PG and was out there because Harden couldn't defend. You're getting a leader, elite defender, and one of the most efficient players in NBA history in terms of PER and even TS%. He's the most efficient PG in NBA history. Rockets got a steal but it's still a one year deal. I think you guys are going to have to deal with the inevitable that CP3 may leave after next season and you guys will only have Harden and Andersen.

Hard to believe CP3 would leave ... unless Morey refuses to max him.

CP3 is no longer an elite defender, but that rest of that is true. There is almost no way this doesn't make the Rockets MUCH better.

One thing that could go wrong is if CP3's hyper-critical eye lands a little too often and too vocally on his teammates and they fall apart that way.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 01:25 PM
I sort of agree. But to get to 4-1 the Cavs best players were playing at an incredibly high level.

Livingston isn't nearly as important as Iguodala ... he's the only real key piece for the Warriors this off-season.

Kyrie was horrible in games 1 and 2. Love was horrible in games 1, 3, and 5. It's not like they were all playing well. LeBron was the only consistent player. I just don't buy the notion that Melo on the current Cavs or a Love for PG trade wouldn't make them more competitive. Like, Draymond would have a much tougher time covering Melo than Love and if they play small, they have NO ONE to stop Love. PG on the Cavs would allow for an elite defender against KD and someone who can do more than Love - allowing LeBron to play PF - which he absolutely destroys Draymond in.

As for Livingston, you can't find much backup PG's better than him. Losing Iggy will be a blow to you guys, too.

Scoots
06-28-2017, 01:26 PM
Tim Quarterman to the Rockets for cash

Just going to load up on 6'6" guys who are willing to defend.

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 01:27 PM
Just going to load up on 6'6" guys who are willing to defend.

That's what it looks like lol.

KB24PG16
06-28-2017, 01:29 PM
Just going to load up on 6'6" guys who are willing to defend.

i think they are just getting non-guaranteed contracts to send back to the clips or in other trades

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 01:29 PM
880115108801912841

Yea they're going all in. This isn't close to over.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 01:30 PM
They need these guys so they can match salary in an outgoing trade. They have leftover cap for 2016-17 to absorb these small deals. Then on 7/1 when the calendar turns to the next NBA year they can use them in trades. They don't want to absorb CP3 into cap space because then their MLE gets knocked down to half of that for the room exception and they also lose the bi-annual exception as well. Hurts their ability to build the roster.

Scoots
06-28-2017, 01:30 PM
Kyrie was horrible in games 1 and 2. Love was horrible in games 1, 3, and 5. It's not like they were all playing well. LeBron was the only consistent player. I just don't buy the notion that Melo on the current Cavs or a Love for PG trade wouldn't make them more competitive. Like, Draymond would have a much tougher time covering Melo than Love and if they play small, they have NO ONE to stop Love. PG on the Cavs would allow for an elite defender against KD and someone who can do more than Love - allowing LeBron to play PF - which he absolutely destroys Draymond in.

As for Livingston, you can't find much backup PG's better than him. Losing Iggy will be a blow to you guys, too.

Yeah, PG to the Cavs would make things very interesting.

Livingston wasn't even the backup PG on the Warriors. Most of the time the person he replaced was Thompson. He's VERY solid and safe and was the Warriors best post scorer and I'd love to have him back ... but there are a lot of guys on the Warriors who can handle the ball and make the right play. The Warriors are not going to pay big money to Livingston.

The Warriors will go much higher to keep Iguodala.

I also wonder about the Cavs durability if they don't make some changes ... oldest team in the NBA gets a year older and injuries become a little bit more of a problem (except LeBron of course).

Maybe a more interesting discussion would be the new Rockets vs the Spurs. Does CP3 change the balance enough to get past Pop/Kawhi?

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 01:35 PM
Yeah, PG to the Cavs would make things very interesting.

Livingston wasn't even the backup PG on the Warriors. Most of the time the person he replaced was Thompson. He's VERY solid and safe and was the Warriors best post scorer and I'd love to have him back ... but there are a lot of guys on the Warriors who can handle the ball and make the right play. The Warriors are not going to pay big money to Livingston.

The Warriors will go much higher to keep Iguodala.

I also wonder about the Cavs durability if they don't make some changes ... oldest team in the NBA gets a year older and injuries become a little bit more of a problem (except LeBron of course).

Maybe a more interesting discussion would be the new Rockets vs the Spurs. Does CP3 change the balance enough to get past Pop/Kawhi?

We just saw LeBron put up his best playoff performance and arguably one of the best Finals, too. Granted, he is getting older but he is still the best player in the NBA. I'm not sure which part of that changes. Their roster isn't really getting much older. I mean, it's only because they have guys like RJ and Channing that make them older. Love is younger than KD and Steph, Kyrie as well.

Backup PG and SG are pretty much the same role these days but anyways, he's a very solid player off the bench. Think about it: Cavs could have used him but had to settle for Deron.. What a difference that would have been.

I think Rockets beat the Spurs. As much as I like the Spurs, I very much dislike LaMarcus's ability to play in big moments.

Driven
06-28-2017, 01:37 PM
I'm really not worried about how Harden and Paul will co-exist. They will figure it out. They're in D'Antoni's system anyways, they're going to get a ton of looks either way. I'm more just worried about Paul's health. They need another piece. I expect Morey to make another somewhat big move at least.

DanG
06-28-2017, 01:38 PM
This offseason is lit.

Still the Warriors even have a better backcourt imo lmao. Maybe based on individual talent CP3-Harden is better, but Steph-Klay have that chemistry going and know how to play together.

Now all we need is Hayward+PG to Celtics and Melo to the Rockets for a very entertaining season.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 01:40 PM
https://twitter.com/MarkDeeksNBA/status/880115753764229120


Quarterman, Liggins [keep typing Wiggins], Dekker, Lou Williams, Beverley = $16,279,727. Magic number is $17,868,827.

If the Rockets reach that "magic number" they can execute this trade still in the 16-17 season. So the matching is based on sending out enough salary to take back CP3's 2016-17 salary.

Then CP3 can either opt in or opt out and be re-signed to a long-term bird rights deal. But HOU will be over the cap either way since his cap hold is so large.

By being over the cap to start the league year HOU has their full MLE and the bi-annual exception rather than just the room exception.

They have big contracts in Eric Gordon (good money) and Ryan Anderson (bad money) and Ariza (expiring money) to make another trade. But limited assets to attach. Very unlikely they land a PG with limited assets (Capela and picks from 2020 on) but Melo could be attainable for Ariza + Gordon + future pick I think.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 01:44 PM
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/880118797675503616


Both Tim Quarterman and DeAndre Liggins can be traded now by Houston. Both players were acquired with room. HOU was $3.1m below the cap.

People often forget that trades executed before 7/1 are based on the salary numbers for the season that just completed. HOU just needs to absorb one more deal and they can execute this in the 16-17 NBA calendar year.

Morey is doing an amazing job of crunching the financials here. Great job of sequencing moves to open up maximum possibilities that he can. This maneuvering is going to get them the MLE in addition to any trades they can pull off with their contracts and assets (albeit very limited assets).

Hustla23
06-28-2017, 01:44 PM
Idea: What if the Rockets traded Harden for PG?

CP3
Gordon
PG
Anderson
Capela

That seems way more balanced and PG is a better fit and a better off ball player.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 01:45 PM
Idea: What if the Rockets traded Harden for PG?

CP3
Gordon
PG
Anderson
Capela

That seems way more balanced and PG is a better fit and a better off ball player.

Would be amazing for them but Harden was the selling point for CP3 so just a fantasy scenario.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 01:48 PM
Why would Houston trade Harden for PG when PG will clearly leave after a year and CP3 is also on a one year basis.. If they trade Harden, by 2018, they would have nothing.. And I don't know if PG is a better player than Harden or a better fit. Harden is the better player so you never trade a better player just for fit purposes.

jason
06-28-2017, 01:48 PM
Harden is the best PG in basketball, yes better than Paul. His turnovers are inconsequential, he handles the ball more than anyone in the league. He averages less turnovers per dribble than players like Kawai. I don't think they work together, I don't like the way Paul plays, he's not a winner, his attitude, etc.
Best PG in basketball? Lol

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 01:50 PM
Best PG in basketball lmfao

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 01:52 PM
Trade Harden for PG? The rockets lose that trade LMFAO again

Driven
06-28-2017, 01:52 PM
Montrezl Harrell also part of the deal, reportedly.

Driven
06-28-2017, 01:53 PM
Rockets also just traded for someone named Ryan Kelly.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2017, 01:53 PM
Maybe they can add Derek Fisher and Vlade Divac to the roster as well..

and trade for Manu, and sign Bill Laimbeer as a FA

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 01:55 PM
Idea: What if the Rockets traded Harden for PG?

CP3
Gordon
PG
Anderson
Capela

That seems way more balanced and PG is a better fit and a better off ball player.

Makes no sense. Harden is the better player, and George is only guaranteed for one more year. This is still Harden's team, without question. Make no mistake about that.

J4KOP99
06-28-2017, 01:58 PM
So Paul opted in to the last year of his contract. And now Houston has his bird rights and the ability to offer him an extra year on his max deal after this season?

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:01 PM
Yup, he's still the best player on the team. CP3 will be a huge boost but let's not pretend that Harden should be traded and that they build around CP3. Harden is a legitimate top 7 player. I say top 7 because:

LeBron
AD
Kawhi
Westbrook
Curry
KD
Harden

But he can be top five if we're being honest.

Bruh that is the worst list.

Bron
Curry
Kawhi
KD
Brodie
Beard

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:01 PM
Makes no sense. Harden is the better player, and George is only guaranteed for one more year. This is still Harden's team, without question. Make no mistake about that.

Yup, he's still the best player on the team. CP3 will be a huge boost but let's not pretend that Harden should be traded and that they build around CP3. Harden is a legitimate top 7 player. I say top 7 because:

LeBron
AD
Kawhi
Westbrook
Curry
KD
Harden

But he can be top five if we're being honest.

Vinylman
06-28-2017, 02:02 PM
If that's the package to beat who cares if he won't re-sign? It such a low offer that if all you have to do is beat that you wouldn't even care if he walks. Some team would easily give up more than that for 3 years of Love so CLE could land him. LA's rumored offer to b eon the table already is better. BOS might pull out if they miss on a max but again, that's so low that even as a rental it's worth it.

it really is all up to ainge and if he can for once take a chance... dude is so risk adverse it is mind boggling sometimes...

He reminds me of a guy we play PLO with who always *****es when he has the nuts and no one will call him on the river...

Boston has to take a risk and go big even before signing hayward

WaDe03
06-28-2017, 02:03 PM
880123618394374144

They should try for both.

Hustla23
06-28-2017, 02:05 PM
880123618394374144

They should try for both.
Do they have any expiring contracts? They can probably get Melo with just that or just nudge him towards a buy out.

Not sure what they can give up for George. They already traded a 2018 first for CP3. Maybe 2020 first and right to swap in 2021?

twellner9
06-28-2017, 02:05 PM
Yup, he's still the best player on the team. CP3 will be a huge boost but let's not pretend that Harden should be traded and that they build around CP3. Harden is a legitimate top 7 player. I say top 7 because:

LeBron
AD
Kawhi
Westbrook
Curry
KD
Harden

But he can be top five if we're being honest.

I won't argue harden is top 7, but you're gonna put AD and Curry ahead of my boy Giannis, no way! Harden is #3 in my book, #1 LBJ, #2 Durant, and a distant #3 Harden. I only put Harden ahead of Giannis, Westbrook, and Kawhi because he alone can make a team great.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:06 PM
880123618394374144

They should try for both.

Only issue with the PG trade is they're giving up Gordon - who was a huge player for them. And PG is there for ONE season. I think we all know unless they get rid of Ryan, there is no way they can get PG without giving up Gordon. As for Melo, IDK. I still think Melo fits better with the Cavs. But the buyout thing with Melo might be a thing of the past. Rumors were Phil wanted to buy Melo out but Dolan didn't want to do it. Now I think they're trying to get Masai and work a trade for Melo rather than buy him out.

twellner9
06-28-2017, 02:06 PM
I don't see the CP3 trade helping Houston. They gave up more than they're getting in return. Reminds me of when the Knicks traded for Melo.

Hustla23
06-28-2017, 02:07 PM
Makes no sense. Harden is the better player, and George is only guaranteed for one more year. This is still Harden's team, without question. Make no mistake about that.

Actually yeah, that was pretty dumb lol.

Don't think Harden + CP3 is enough to challenge the Warriors, though. Then again, anything can happen in the NBA and the Rockets have certainly positioned themselves to at least have a crack at it.

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 02:07 PM
Yup, he's still the best player on the team. CP3 will be a huge boost but let's not pretend that Harden should be traded and that they build around CP3. Harden is a legitimate top 7 player. I say top 7 because:

LeBron
AD
Kawhi
Westbrook
Curry
KD
Harden

But he can be top five if we're being honest.

Mmm.... I'd easily take him over Davis considering Davis' injury history. And I don't care what MVP voters (or you) say—I'd much rather have Harden than Westbrook. The only guys I would clearly take over Harden today are probably Lebron, Durant and Steph. I'd say Kawhi and Harden are comparable players in terms of their overal impact. Regardless, Harden is absolutely in the top 5 conversation.

But let's not hijack the thread and turn this into a Westbrook vs. Harden debate...

JLynn943
06-28-2017, 02:07 PM
Interesting trade, but I don't think it puts Houston over. That front court is just wholly unimpressive.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:07 PM
Boston is hilarious. They were so lucky with that Brooklyn trade but man, they value the picks more than anything else. It seems like they just want to continue stacking up a roster WHILE having a contingency with the draft picks in case it fails. I'm not sure what type of strategy that is but they really need to start making some moves. I'm not even sure why Hayward should sign with Boston. There are plenty of teams out there he can sign to.

Vinylman
06-28-2017, 02:08 PM
Let's be real, it's impossible for anyone to really compete with GS. People talk about MIN because they got Butler - GS will sweep them easily on paper. If the Cavs swap out Love for PG honestly it still won't matter. BOS can pull off their PG/Hayward plan and they're not as good. Lebron/PG can end up in LA... not as good.

Maybe GS slips up one of those years but any of these scenarios we draw up... none of them are even arguable to be better than GS on paper.

people got to stop this ****... GS isn't unbeatable... they aren't... they were completely healthy this year and didn't face a team that mattered other than Cleveland who was at 100% (not saying it would have made a difference but it is a fact)... their entire bench could be gone this year and there is really no reason to think that the starting core is going to get better...

a lot can happen in the offseason and during the season that shrinks the gap significantly

SO QUIT MAKING ****ING EXCUSES FOR THAT ***** AINGE :D

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:09 PM
I just dont see Houston competing with us. Harden still don't play defense, CP3 is still not a leader not is Harden.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:10 PM
Mmm.... I'd easily take him over Davis considering Davis' injury history. And I don't care what MVP voters (or you) say—I'd much rather have Harden than Westbrook. The only guys I would clearly take over Harden today are probably Lebron, Durant and Steph. I'd say Kawhi and Harden are comparable players in terms of their overal impact. Regardless, Harden is absolutely in the top 5 conversation.

But let's not hijack the thread and turn this into a Westbrook vs. Harden debate...

Questionable - which is why I say top 7. I think it's that close. I can't definitely say Harden is better than WB and vice-versa. I don't think he's better than Kawhi, though. KD+LeBron+Kawhi+AD are all out of discussion, IMO.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 02:10 PM
CP3
Harden/Gordon
Ariza
Anderson
Capella/Onuaku

That's the depth chart Houston is working with right now. As far as future 1sts go they gave up 2018 in the CP3 deal which means they can't touch 2019. So any future picks need to be from 2020 on.

Can't see how they pull of Paul George with those assets but Melo is EXTREMELY attainable.

Gordon, Ariza, Onuaku is enough outgoing salary for Melo.

CP3
Harden
Melo
Anderson
Capella

Then they have the full MLE and the bi-annual exception along with vet min deals to add depth.

Ideally they could get the Knicks to take back Anderson in a Melo deal. They'd be rebuilding anyway. But I think that deal will be tough to move.

Obviously the ideal scenario would be to get PG but I just don't see them having the assets to pull it off. For what they can offer some team would take him as a rental.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:11 PM
Lol at AD and Westbrook over Curry and KD. No issues with Bron or Kawhi (though this is more of a debate; just not one for here). But AD and Westbrook is completely comical.

Dude you would be surprised how these dudes think the game through. It's really about who's the better athlete and who puts up #s not about effort and winning

TrueFan420
06-28-2017, 02:12 PM
Yup, he's still the best player on the team. CP3 will be a huge boost but let's not pretend that Harden should be traded and that they build around CP3. Harden is a legitimate top 7 player. I say top 7 because:

LeBron
AD
Kawhi
Westbrook
Curry
KD
Harden

But he can be top five if we're being honest.

Lol at AD and Westbrook over Curry and KD. No issues with Bron or Kawhi (though this is more of a debate; just not one for here). But AD and Westbrook is completely comical.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:13 PM
Lol at AD and Westbrook over Curry and KD. No issues with Bron or Kawhi (though this is more of a debate; just not one for here). But AD and Westbrook is completely comical.

It wasn't in chronological order. Man, you Warriors fans are intolerable.

kdspurman
06-28-2017, 02:14 PM
people got to stop this ****... GS isn't unbeatable... they aren't... they were completely healthy this year and didn't face a team that mattered other than Cleveland who was at 100% (not saying it would have made a difference but it is a fact)... their entire bench could be gone this year and there is really no reason to think that the starting core is going to get better...

a lot can happen in the offseason and during the season that shrinks the gap significantly

SO QUIT MAKING ****ING EXCUSES FOR THAT ***** AINGE :D

I'm on this boat too. Anything can happen

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 02:15 PM
Only issue with the PG trade is they're giving up Gordon - who was a huge player for them. And PG is there for ONE season. I think we all know unless they get rid of Ryan, there is no way they can get PG without giving up Gordon. As for Melo, IDK. I still think Melo fits better with the Cavs. But the buyout thing with Melo might be a thing of the past. Rumors were Phil wanted to buy Melo out but Dolan didn't want to do it. Now I think they're trying to get Masai and work a trade for Melo rather than buy him out.

I wonder if the Rockets could somehow pull off a swap of Anderson for Melo. Anderson makes less money, but he's on the books for two more years after Melo. But maybe the Rockets could throw in some young guys and some future picks to sweeten the pot? If you're the Knicks and you're serious about building around Porzingis, Anderson makes more sense or the roster anyway. And it's clear Melo doesn't want to be there...

twellner9
06-28-2017, 02:15 PM
people got to stop this ****... GS isn't unbeatable... they aren't... they were completely healthy this year and didn't face a team that mattered other than Cleveland who was at 100% (not saying it would have made a difference but it is a fact)... their entire bench could be gone this year and there is really no reason to think that the starting core is going to get better...

a lot can happen in the offseason and during the season that shrinks the gap significantly

SO QUIT MAKING ****ING EXCUSES FOR THAT ***** AINGE :D

Its not that they're unbeatable, its that there's not currently a team constructed that can come close. Stacking up aging star players isn't going to do it. I think they can be had with size and defense though. There's a reason the Bucks and Spurs do better against the Warriors than anyone else.

Hustla23
06-28-2017, 02:15 PM
CP3
Harden/Gordon
Ariza
Anderson
Capella/Onuaku

That's the depth chart Houston is working with right now. As far as future 1sts go they gave up 2018 in the CP3 deal which means they can't touch 2019. So any future picks need to be from 2020 on.

Can't see how they pull of Paul George with those assets but Melo is EXTREMELY attainable.

Gordon, Ariza, Onuaku is enough outgoing salary for Melo.

CP3
Harden
Melo
Anderson
Capella

Then they have the full MLE and the bi-annual exception along with vet min deals to add depth.

Ideally they could get the Knicks to take back Anderson in a Melo deal. They'd be rebuilding anyway. But I think that deal will be tough to move.

Obviously the ideal scenario would be to get PG but I just don't see them having the assets to pull it off. For what they can offer some team would take him as a rental.

I doubt they give up Gordon for Melo.

They can just have CP3 and Harden hit up Melo and tell him to take a buyout lol.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:15 PM
It wasn't in chronological order. Man, you Warriors fans are intolerable.

Or your just not very smart for making a top 7 list and not doing it in chronological order...one of the two bud

Vinylman
06-28-2017, 02:16 PM
I'm on this boat too. Anything can happen

yep ... I just don't get it... it might be something with the current generation but the quitting or not even trying mentality is SCARY!!!!!!!!

IndyRealist
06-28-2017, 02:17 PM
Montrezl Harrell also part of the deal, reportedly.

Figured as much. They're gonna have to keep upping their offer, at least until BOS shakes out.

Vee-Rex
06-28-2017, 02:17 PM
I'm on this boat too. Anything can happen

Same here.

GS is the best but they're not unbeatable.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:17 PM
You based on your screen name on Monta Ellis. Your points are invalid.

Or I've been a warriors fan since we were winning 30 games a year and monta was all I had to cheer about..again one of the two bud

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 02:18 PM
Boston is hilarious. They were so lucky with that Brooklyn trade but man, they value the picks more than anything else. It seems like they just want to continue stacking up a roster WHILE having a contingency with the draft picks in case it fails. I'm not sure what type of strategy that is but they really need to start making some moves. I'm not even sure why Hayward should sign with Boston. There are plenty of teams out there he can sign to.

It's a very simple strategy.

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/879351402451140608

Read the bolded comment in that quote. They're not one piece away. You said yourself in another thread that PG and Hayward wouldn't get them by CLE. Agree or disagree with that but the fact it's even a question just proves that they're multiple pieces away. At least two, if not more.

In the NBA the salary cap makes it tough to build over multiple years with big moves. You generally need to do it in swoops just with the structure of when you can go over the cap and what not.

Ainge is just biding his time for when he can swoop. Getting major piece #1 does nothing for him if it makes it hard for him to get #2.

And in the end, it might very well cost him his shot at even #1 if he's holding out for #2 at the same time. He could be left pounding sand. But if he can't get #2 then what's really even the point of #1. What does he do for you? Lose in 6 instead of 5 to CLE? Who ****ing cares about that. He's trying to build a roster than can maybe actually win, not just lose in less games. If he's gotta tear it down and start over then he'll do that.

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 02:19 PM
I just dont see Houston competing with us. Harden still don't play defense, CP3 is still not a leader not is Harden.

You based on your screen name on Monta Ellis. Your points are invalid.

rhino17
06-28-2017, 02:20 PM
I wonder if the Rockets could somehow pull off a swap of Anderson for Melo. Anderson makes less money, but he's on the books for two more years after Melo. But maybe the Rockets could throw in some young guys and some future picks to sweeten the pot? If you're the Knicks and you're serious about building around Porzingis, Anderson makes more sense or the roster anyway. And it's clear Melo doesn't want to be there...
I think trading Anderson would be better than Gordon + others. Melo I imagine would be playing the 4 in Houston, making Anderson less important. I still think its key to keep Gordon on the bench. Ideally the lineup would be

PG: Paul
SG: Harden
SF: Ariza
PF: Carmelo
C: Capela
6th: Gordon
7th: Nene

Hustla23
06-28-2017, 02:20 PM
I wonder if the Rockets could somehow pull off a swap of Anderson for Melo. Anderson makes less money, but he's on the books for two more years after Melo. But maybe the Rockets could throw in some young guys and some future picks to sweeten the pot? If you're the Knicks and you're serious about building around Porzingis, Anderson makes more sense or the roster anyway. And it's clear Melo doesn't want to be there...
I would rather just buy Melo out and have him join you guys rather than take back Anderson's contract. It would take a whole lot of sweetening to make that happen. Do you guys not have any expirings? You can probably just get Melo with expiring contracts.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:21 PM
It's a very simple strategy.

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/879351402451140608

Read the bolded comment in that quote. They're not one piece away. You said yourself in another thread that PG and Hayward wouldn't get them by CLE. Agree or disagree with that but the fact it's even a question just proves that they're multiple pieces away. At least two, if not more.

In the NBA the salary cap makes it tough to build over multiple years with big moves. You generally need to do it in swoops just with the structure of when you can go over the cap and what not.

Ainge is just biding his time for when he can swoop. Getting major piece #1 does nothing for him if it makes it hard for him to get #2.

And in the end, it might very well cost him his shot at even #1 if he's holding out for #2 at the same time. He could be left pounding sand. But if he can't get #2 then what's really even the point of #1. What does he do for you? Lose in 6 instead of 5 to CLE? Who ****ing cares about that. He's trying to build a roster than can maybe actually win, not just lose in less games. If he's gotta tear it down and start over then he'll do that.

So why get Hayward at all? It makes no sense. If you're not going to compete, don't make moves at all like the Sixers and just stack up later on. It seems Boston is totally indecisive with what they want to do - which is pretty lame considering they have so many options. I don't know. I'm not a fan of teams sitting pat letting all the deals past through them. If they aren't planning on beating the Cavs, don't get Hayward. Like, how many teams can beat the Warriors? Not many. But they get better trying to. Boston doesn't seem like they want to do that.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:21 PM
He was going on about how Steph is better than LeBron but this is a guy who values a chucker like Monta enough that he dedicated his screen name to him.. Kinda just shows you his basketball appreciation abilities.

Like I said been a fan since we were winning 30 games a year and monta was all I had to cheer about. Kinda shows that I'mma real fan but good try bud

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:22 PM
You based on your screen name on Monta Ellis. Your points are invalid.

He was going on about how Steph is better than LeBron but this is a guy who values a chucker like Monta enough that he dedicated his screen name to him.. Kinda just shows you his basketball appreciation abilities.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:23 PM
No. Meaning that anybody who criticizes the leadership or defense of another guard when Monta Ellis is in their screen name just ends up looking like a massive hypocrite. Paul is an excellent leader. Harden was a pretty solid defender last season (and the numbers bear that out). And Monta Ellis still sucks. Your points are invalid. Period.

Monta does suck..now. he used to be exciting as ****. I made this account like 7 years ago bro allot changes in 7 years. IDK about Hardens defense last year but I know for a fact CP3 is not a good.leader. literally someone just came out and called him a fraud cause he acts like a leader but isn't one

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 02:23 PM
Or I've been a warriors fan since we were winning 30 games a year and monta was all I had to cheer about..again one of the two bud

No. Meaning that anybody who criticizes the leadership or defense of another guard when Monta Ellis is in their screen name just ends up looking like a massive hypocrite. Paul is an excellent leader. Harden was a pretty solid defender last season (and the numbers bear that out). And Monta Ellis still sucks. Your points are invalid. Period.

hugepatsfan
06-28-2017, 02:23 PM
Figured as much. They're gonna have to keep upping their offer, at least until BOS shakes out.

???

Harrel is in the CP3 trade, not a PG offer.

https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880127694725423117


So (take a breath): Beverley, Williams, Dekker, Harrell, Kelly, Liggins, Quarterman & 2018 first (small protection) to Clippers for CP3.

Vee-Rex
06-28-2017, 02:24 PM
It's a very simple strategy.

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/879351402451140608

Read the bolded comment in that quote. They're not one piece away. You said yourself in another thread that PG and Hayward wouldn't get them by CLE. Agree or disagree with that but the fact it's even a question just proves that they're multiple pieces away. At least two, if not more.

In the NBA the salary cap makes it tough to build over multiple years with big moves. You generally need to do it in swoops just with the structure of when you can go over the cap and what not.

Ainge is just biding his time for when he can swoop. Getting major piece #1 does nothing for him if it makes it hard for him to get #2.

And in the end, it might very well cost him his shot at even #1 if he's holding out for #2 at the same time. He could be left pounding sand. But if he can't get #2 then what's really even the point of #1. What does he do for you? Lose in 6 instead of 5 to CLE? Who ****ing cares about that. He's trying to build a roster than can maybe actually win, not just lose in less games. If he's gotta tear it down and start over then he'll do that.

If Ainge doesn't pull it off he'll look silly. If he does pull it off then we'll all hail his name (at least I will). I guess it does take some guts (in a non-ballsy way) to do it his way. At least he'll have future assets if he fails to put together a contender right now. But then it makes the Fultz decision (and future IT signing) look worse.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:24 PM
Man the hate is most definitely real. Need to go back to the friendly confimds of the warriors forum lol

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:25 PM
Like I said been a fan since we were winning 30 games a year and monta was all I had to cheer about. Kinda shows that I'mma real fan but good try bud

I don't care what you are. Your basketball analysis is the equivalent of zero. Everyone here outside of Warriors fans don't even bother responding to your b.s. other than to say it's pathetic.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:25 PM
I don't care what you are. Your basketball analysis is the equivalent of zero. Everyone here outside of Warriors fans don't even bother responding to your b.s. other than to say it's pathetic.

You just responded and have been for like 2 days now. Me and wade03 have been going back and forth for a week now vee rex has been in there. I'm sorry that I see the game differently than you. I'm about wins not #s Curry wins better than bron

IndyRealist
06-28-2017, 02:27 PM
???

Harrel is in the CP3 trade, not a PG offer.

https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880127694725423117

Sorry, popping back and forth between the two tgreads.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:27 PM
CP3 has been a bad leader that's not breaking news. Now hes a rocket and he's a good leader..tf

mightybosstone
06-28-2017, 02:28 PM
Monta does suck..now. he used to be exciting as ****. I made this account like 7 years ago bro allot changes in 7 years. IDK about Hardens defense last year but I know for a fact CP3 is not a good.leader. literally someone just came out and called him a fraud cause he acts like a leader but isn't one

So because one person (who you couldn't name) came out and claimed CP3 is a fraud of a leader, that automatically makes it so? You're pretty easily swayed, chief. Maybe think for yourself and stop immediately taking the words of others as fact without any context to back it up. :shrug:

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:28 PM
Bro for you to have so much animosity towards me over a couple of opinion I posted on an online forum..bro relax mmmkay pumpkin

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:29 PM
Man the hate is most definitely real. Need to go back to the friendly confimds of the warriors forum lol

Yeah, back to the forum so you and lol, please can all go circle jerk about Steph Curry's mouthguard. Please do. No one wants you spamming these forums with five pages of LeBron choking in a Paul George thread only to claim you don't care about it. Please go away and take your comments to YouTube.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:30 PM
It's a move you obviously make no question and it makes them better no question. Just curious to see how they'll play together and who the leader of the team will be?

Hawkeye15
06-28-2017, 02:30 PM
Rox fans, there is literally zero reason to argue with anyone who doesn't believe this is a great move, at least for the next few years. Not even worth your keystrokes.

FlashBolt
06-28-2017, 02:32 PM
You just responded and have been for like 2 days now. Me and wade03 have been going back and forth for a week now vee rex has been in there. I'm sorry that I see the game differently than you. I'm about wins not #s Curry wins better than bron

No one cares enough to discuss basketball on an observer level to you. You're void of any respect someone should show you in considering to discuss basketball. All your replies are junk comments that have nothing to do with basketball. It's just you trying to rub your ego obsessed Warriors fandom onto everyone else. Just look at your signature. Who even has crap like that? Go to your Warriors forum so you and lol, please can share techniques to rub one to Curry.

rhino17
06-28-2017, 02:32 PM
So because one person (who you couldn't name) came out and claimed CP3 is a fraud of a leader, that automatically makes it so? You're pretty easily swayed, chief. Maybe think for yourself and stop immediately taking the words of others as fact without any context to back it up. :shrug:

I've heard about a half dozen past teammates say that Paul's leadership abilities are questionable.

Monta is beast
06-28-2017, 02:32 PM
I've heard about a half dozen past teammates say that Paul's leadership abilities are questionable.

Thank you all I'm trynna say ****