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Rush
06-20-2017, 06:10 PM
877287243236462592

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/877287243236462592

Crackadalic
06-20-2017, 06:11 PM
I can't believe thats all it took

Stunner
06-20-2017, 06:11 PM
Lakers are trading Tim Mozgov and D'Angelo Russell to Nets for Brook Lopez and 27th pick Thursday, sources say.


https://twitter.com/wojverticalnba/status/877287243236462592

Monta is beast
06-20-2017, 06:13 PM
How many years does Lopez have on his contract. A ballhoging center who doesn't rebound isn't ideal

Monta is beast
06-20-2017, 06:13 PM
L.A Lakers select Lavar I mean Lonzo Ball

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 06:14 PM
So they got rid of Mosgov's contract and plan to make moves next season. Wow, Nets are stupid.

Crackadalic
06-20-2017, 06:15 PM
I'm sorry but that was a terrible trade by Magic

rhino17
06-20-2017, 06:15 PM
Seems like a wash to me, whatevs

Aust
06-20-2017, 06:16 PM
Magic and Pelinka must hate Russell's "know-it-all" attitude and don't believe in his upside.

This is gross.

shep33
06-20-2017, 06:19 PM
This is amazing for the Lakers

GiantsSwaGG
06-20-2017, 06:20 PM
Nets are idiots

lakerfan85
06-20-2017, 06:20 PM
Magic and Pelinka must hate Russell's "know-it-all" attitude and don't believe in his upside.

This is gross.
Lol!! Whatever this is great deal for the Lakers!! They just got rid of that horrible contract that was given to Moz.. People acting like Russell is a superstar or some ****.. Lmfao!!

Aust
06-20-2017, 06:20 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @WojVerticalNBA 3m

Lakers shed $54M left on Mozgov deal, Nets get gifted young guard in Russell. Nets needed to flip Lopez expiring contract.

Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @WojVerticalNBA 1m

For the Lakers, this is longer-term play to clear space for Paul George and LeBron James pursuit. Lonzo Ball on way at No.2

Ha, they better be damn sure

KB24PG16
06-20-2017, 06:20 PM
thought dlo and ball would've been nice to see, although terrible defensively. but at least mozgov contract is gone and lopez is expiring

Aust
06-20-2017, 06:21 PM
Lol!! Whatever this is great deal for the Lakers!! They just got rid of that horrible contract that was given to Moz.. People acting like Russell is a superstar or some ****.. Lmfao!!

Nobody is saying that... You should give up other assets to dump a contract, or even wait a year so it's easier to move.

Leftcoast_yg
06-20-2017, 06:22 PM
Not really liking this trade for the Nets....Go Lakers!!

Wade n Fade
06-20-2017, 06:22 PM
Lakers win this deal. One of the best offensive centers (albeit fragile) for an underwhelming #2 pick and getting rid of Mozgov's awful contract. Magic cleaning house little by little. Paul George ammo with a possible future pick + #27 + Randle and another filler.

KB24PG16
06-20-2017, 06:22 PM
if the lakers intend on getting george and drafting ball it makes sense to dump russell. ball/george/ingram backcourt now. lets see what happens to clarkson

AntiG
06-20-2017, 06:24 PM
I'm sorry but that was a terrible trade by Magic

not really, you get a versatile scoring center whose contract comes off the books after the season (and bird rights if you want to keep him around) and Mozgov's albatross of a contract gone. Its not like Russell is something great either.

Pretty awful trade if you're the Nets, and gave up your only 1st rounder.

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 06:24 PM
Yesssss!!!!!!!!!

Gritz
06-20-2017, 06:24 PM
Embarrassing for everyone involved

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 06:25 PM
D'Angelo Russell to Brooklyn!

I'm high on him, always have been, A great get for Brooklyn

shep33
06-20-2017, 06:27 PM
Great trade. I was never sold on Russ. Can't defend, unathletic. Not a pg. Solid player, and maybe needs the right system.

Crackadalic
06-20-2017, 06:27 PM
not really, you get a versatile scoring center whose contract comes off the books after the season (and bird rights if you want to keep him around) and Mozgov's albatross of a contract gone. Its not like Russell is something great either.

Pretty awful trade if you're the Nets, and gave up your only 1st rounder.

The real winners is you guys in Boston. Nets are now guaranteed to get a top 3-4 pick. Lopez is the better player then russell (even though i'm not down on him like others)

Gritz
06-20-2017, 06:29 PM
Russell gets traded to the only team he's had great success against... gonna look like Jordan in practice 😂

Bostonjorge
06-20-2017, 06:30 PM
Just need to move Deng in the George trade

AntiG
06-20-2017, 06:30 PM
The real winners is you guys in Boston. Nets are now guaranteed to get a top 3-4 pick. Lopez is the better player then russell (even though i'm not down on him like others)

true... hopefully it'll help entice the Pelicans to give up Davis to us LOL.

At the same time, it hurts our chances at the Lakers' 2018 pick being #2-5, since Lopez will probably get them some wins.

still1ballin
06-20-2017, 06:30 PM
Lakers are a bunch of ****ing idiots

More-Than-Most
06-20-2017, 06:30 PM
so ****ing dumb... you give up the 2nd player in the draft who again was better than ingram was his first year... trade ****ing randle or something who is about to get a big contract... dont trade Russ

shep33
06-20-2017, 06:32 PM
Lakers are a bunch of ****ing idiots

This was an outstanding trade for them lol. And they got a first rounder? Absolute win. Lopez is an expiring

More-Than-Most
06-20-2017, 06:32 PM
next breaking news coming... DLO announcers retirement... Dude going from LA to new jersey :laugh:

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 06:33 PM
Lakers are a bunch of ****ing idiots

My thought exactly. Sean Marks ripped them off big time!

More-Than-Most
06-20-2017, 06:35 PM
russ will be better than Ball... You heard it here.

BKLYNpigeon
06-20-2017, 06:36 PM
Great trade for the Nets.

The Nets aren't going anywhere the next 3 years. They can take on mozgov salary. They basically traded an aging fragile center for 2 young players and draft pick. Mozgov is only overpaid by about 5m a season. At least he can play a bit.

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 06:36 PM
The Nets are able to absorb Mosgov's contract if it means bringing in a first round talent like D'Angelo Russell. This is a Point Guards league. Russell and Hollis Jefferson and Levert. The young pieces are coming together now. Brook is an expiring contract and the #27 pick is less than Russell's potential. This is a win for Brooklyn.

More-Than-Most
06-20-2017, 06:36 PM
Pretty sure the Nets are now in Brooklyn.

i dont care... Russ is all about that life out west... wanted to be a laker... now he is goin to the worst franchise in sports.

NYY 26 to 7
06-20-2017, 06:37 PM
next breaking news coming... DLO announcers retirement... Dude going from LA to new jersey :laugh:

Pretty sure the Nets are now in Brooklyn.

phillychi009
06-20-2017, 06:37 PM
This was a great trade by Magic it was a huge salary dump in mozgov. They also get rid of an overrated underachieving D'Angelo Russell. That opens the door for Lonzo ball and Brook Lopez with one year left on his contract. That means all they have to do is get rid of Luol Deng contract and they'll have money to spend in 2018

More-Than-Most
06-20-2017, 06:37 PM
If RUSS is overrated wtf is Lopez? He cant rebound and he doesnt play defense... He is Okafor with more offense.

dhopisthename
06-20-2017, 06:37 PM
what a great trade for the nets. using cap space they could never use anyways to get a a #2 pick on his rookie contract for a guy they probably had no chance at resigning. Russell has been very underwhelming his first 2 years, but that team has to take chances with no first rounds picks.

Wade n Fade
06-20-2017, 06:39 PM
russ will be better than Ball... You heard it here.

Lol. Lakers are getting one of the top 3 players in the 2017 class. DeAngelo Russell sucked with the Lakers.

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 06:40 PM
That was a horrible move by the Nets. They picked up a deadweight contract. They are embarrassing. If you want to commit a robbery, contact the Nets, Kings, or Knicks. Those teams will handle your mess.

Wade n Fade
06-20-2017, 06:41 PM
That was a horrible move by the Nets. They picked up a deadweight contract. They are embarrassing. If you want to commit a robbery, contact the Nets, Kings, or Knicks. Those teams will handle your mess.

Heat better trade them Tyler Johnson and McBob for a highway robbery haha.

More-Than-Most
06-20-2017, 06:41 PM
Lol. Lakers are getting one of the top 3 players in the 2017 class. DeAngelo Russell sucked with the Lakers.

if russ sucked with the lakers what has ingram been? Asking seriously. Russ is **** at defense but his first 2 years were good... do you wanna see other guys stats for their first 2 years?

LA_1
06-20-2017, 06:41 PM
Never thought I'd see the day that the lakers became a joke of a franchise. Literally feel like quitting on this embarrassing team

Saddletramp
06-20-2017, 06:42 PM
I thought Billy King was fired years ago. Pretty solid by the Lakers, if nothing else it got them out of that Mozgov albatross.

NYY 26 to 7
06-20-2017, 06:42 PM
Really don't like the trade as nothing more than a pure cap clearing move and giving up on a young talented player. Maybe he isn't a star but I would've thought he could net more than just a salary dump to pick up an expiring contract and a late 1st. Just highlights how bad that Mozgov signing was and I feel like this makes it even worse. It is a crowded backcourt I guess.

mgomrjsurf
06-20-2017, 06:43 PM
The Nets were trying to move up in Draft with both picks they have. Could put Russell in George Trade so Clarkson in it.

Bostonjorge
06-20-2017, 06:43 PM
How can anyone seriously think it was better to keep Moz with his huge contract? Lakers get a big expiring contract they need to go after another star next year. To add with George.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-20-2017, 06:44 PM
Any trade that bodes well for the Celtics is a trade I can approve.

LOb0
06-20-2017, 06:45 PM
I think this is gonna comeback and bite the Lakers. D' Russell might end up being really good.

But if Ball and Ingram turn out and they use that cap space well. it might not matter. Great move by the Nets. They actually got a number two pick without having any draft picks.

PropheticGeius
06-20-2017, 06:45 PM
Magic is a clown


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Wade n Fade
06-20-2017, 06:45 PM
if russ sucked with the lakers what has ingram been? Asking seriously. Russ is **** at defense but his first 2 years were good... do you wanna see other guys stats for their first 2 years?

Ingram was far worse, but to be fair, he was just a rookie, compared to Durant last year. He has a high ceiling.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-20-2017, 06:46 PM
How can anyone seriously think it was better to keep Moz with his huge contract? Lakers get a big expiring contract they need to go after another star next year. To add with George.

You're clearing cap space a whole ear in advance for a player lol

Crackadalic
06-20-2017, 06:47 PM
How can anyone seriously think it was better to keep Moz with his huge contract? Lakers get a big expiring contract they need to go after another star next year. To add with George.

They can add PG and Cousins and still get bodied by the Warriors. Thats why I don't get this trade.

Vee-Rex
06-20-2017, 06:47 PM
I'm not sure how this is a bad deal for the Nets? Lopez was likely gone after the season anyway, and the 27th pick is likely a bum.

So they took on Mozgov's contract just to take Russell, a 21-year old putting up 20ppg (albeit bad efficiency and defense). When you're the Nets with no future you kinda roll the dice on a young player like Russell.

I actually like this deal better for the Nets than I do for the Lakers, who are only HOPING LeBron signs with them (and even if he does, LeBron + George + bums and infants will never have a shot vs. GS).

IKnowHoops
06-20-2017, 06:49 PM
Never thought I'd see the day that the lakers became a joke of a franchise. Literally feel like quitting on this embarrassing team

Lol, funny reading the roller coaster of thoughts in this thread.

spreadeagle
06-20-2017, 06:50 PM
interesting to see fans split on this one, id say Nets actually did well. Russ can still be a great PG, they were not going anywhere with Lopez and no picks, and they just landed a recent top 3 pick, not bad.

Mr Costanza
06-20-2017, 06:51 PM
Good move but Ball's daddy will be a problem. Who wants some nobody living off his son's nuts publicly blaming you for every loss.

KB24PG16
06-20-2017, 06:51 PM
d'angelo prolly gonna put up hollow stats in brooklyn, the nets still gonna have hard rebuilding around just russell with no pick again next year and now saddled with mozgod's 54 mil for the next 3 years

IKnowHoops
06-20-2017, 06:51 PM
Magic is a clown


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Lol

YAALREADYKNO
06-20-2017, 06:51 PM
Jeremy Lin back to the bench as a backup

spreadeagle
06-20-2017, 06:52 PM
I think this is gonna comeback and bite the Lakers. D' Russell might end up being really good.

But if Ball and Ingram turn out and they use that cap space well. it might not matter. Great move by the Nets. They actually got a number two pick without having any draft picks.

Agreed

KB24PG16
06-20-2017, 06:53 PM
Any trade that bodes well for the Celtics is a trade I can approve.

nets were gonna be the worst in the nba whether russell or lopez were there. lopez on the lakers probably makes them better for this upcoming year making that pick less valuable

Crackadalic
06-20-2017, 06:54 PM
So most likely that LA pick Boston got will probably be outside that 2-5 range. I think the lakers get better short term.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-20-2017, 06:55 PM
nets were gonna be the worst in the nba whether russell or lopez were there. lopez on the lakers probably makes them better for this upcoming year making that pick less valuable

Probably not enough to make much of a difference though.

jason6692
06-20-2017, 06:56 PM
How does this help the Lakers trade for George it just helps if he goes in FA and Lopez is gonna get the Lakers wins ? How many has he gotten the nets recently?. Some of u sound dumb this is just a trash trade for both. I would of stood pat

jason6692
06-20-2017, 06:58 PM
If I was a lake fan id be mad everyone hates russel sok much but his numbers weere respectable this is gonna be his 3rd year. They shoulda saw how the ball russel back court wpouldve worked a guy who can get him *****. Watch in 2 years we will laugh at the Lakers and magic gert magic tf outta here

da ThRONe
06-20-2017, 06:59 PM
How can Brooklyn be so bad at running a team? Russell's not worth taking back Mozgov deal. Plus they need all the picks they can get. So what are they doing with Lin? Bad trade for the Nets.

Crackadalic
06-20-2017, 06:59 PM
How can Brooklyn be so bad at running a team? Russell's not worth taking back Mozgov deal. Plus they need all the picks they can get. So what are they doing with Lin? Bad trade for the Nets.

I seriously doubt anyone they pick at 27th will be better then D'angelo russell.

JLynn943
06-20-2017, 07:00 PM
All the Nets had to do was give up Lopez and take Mozgov's contract to get a good young player? Good deal. Lopez was pointless for them to keep. Mozgov's deal is terrible, but they aren't competing for a little while anyway, so if taking him allows them to get a guy who was an early pick just a couple years ago when they otherwise wouldn't have added anyone with similar potential, then it's a no brainer. Good deal.

Westbrook36
06-20-2017, 07:01 PM
I like this for the Nets actually..

Lopez was highly likely to walk away at the end of the season anyway. Instead they flip his one year into two additional years of Moz contract. While being able to pick up a highly talented prospect that hasn't put it all together yet.

Where next year they don't have the high pick and they'll have to overpay for FA for the next few years until they are able to properly rebuild with picks..so taking in Moz for an additional two years isn't awful for the potential that Russell can reach more of his potential.

It works for the Lakers if they are able to swoop PG and clear the Deng contract as well.

Crackadalic
06-20-2017, 07:01 PM
Ball-Clarkson-Ingram-Randle-Lopez

I'm not sure if that starting lineup gets more than 30 wins next season. Though we still have FA to go through so who knows.

Yeah I was thinking with the assumption they get someone in FA this summer unless they still want to save cap for 2018

JLynn943
06-20-2017, 07:02 PM
How can Brooklyn be so bad at running a team? Russell's not worth taking back Mozgov deal. Plus they need all the picks they can get. So what are they doing with Lin? Bad trade for the Nets.

They need all the picks they can get? Russell is better than anyone they could have gotten.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-20-2017, 07:02 PM
So most likely that LA pick Boston got will probably be outside that 2-5 range. I think the lakers get better short term.

Ball-Clarkson-Ingram-Randle-Lopez

I'm not sure if that starting lineup gets more than 30 wins next season. Though we still have FA to go through so who knows.

BKLYNpigeon
06-20-2017, 07:02 PM
You can probably flip Russell for a late lottery pick

maddBat
06-20-2017, 07:02 PM
loved brook but he had no purpose here on a rebuilding team. nets get a franchise player and have the most cap space at the moment. give us your salary dumps =D

Greet
06-20-2017, 07:03 PM
I think people aren't understanding that the Nets taking in Mozgovs contract means absolutely nothing to them. They got a good young player with potential and wont likely compete for the years of Mozgovs contract anyways.

Crackadalic
06-20-2017, 07:03 PM
I think people aren't understanding that the Nets taking in Mozgovs contract means absolutely nothing to them. They got a good young player with potential and wont likely compete for the years of Mozgovs contract anyways.

This guy gets it.

Any team trading for bad contract if they get young prospect or picks is a win for those teams. They know they can't compete in the Cavs/GS era so why does cap space even matter

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-20-2017, 07:03 PM
I think people aren't understanding that the Nets taking in Mozgovs contract means absolutely nothing to them. They got a good young player with potential and wont likely compete for the years of Mozgovs contract anyways.

Yup.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-20-2017, 07:04 PM
You can probably flip Russell for a late lottery pick

I don't think the Netws would want to do that.

BKLYNpigeon
06-20-2017, 07:04 PM
This trade makes the Nets better as a team.

That 2018 Boston/nets pick less valuable now.

shep33
06-20-2017, 07:04 PM
I think this trade is good for both teams.

Lakers can now likely have two max slots for next year. PG and LBJ.

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 07:04 PM
Lakers only plausible reason for this move was to remove cap for 2018.

KB24PG16
06-20-2017, 07:04 PM
How does this help the Lakers trade for George it just helps if he goes in FA and Lopez is gonna get the Lakers wins ? How many has he gotten the nets recently?. Some of u sound dumb this is just a trash trade for both. I would of stood pat

would've

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 07:04 PM
I think this trade is good for both teams.

Lakers can now likely have two max slots for next year. PG and LBJ.

They'll need more than that...

da ThRONe
06-20-2017, 07:06 PM
How does this help the Lakers trade for George it just helps if he goes in FA and Lopez is gonna get the Lakers wins ? How many has he gotten the nets recently?. Some of u sound dumb this is just a trash trade for both. I would of stood pat

It doesn't help the Lakers get George but they don't need help he only wants to play for the Lakers therefore they have the upper hand in any negotiations. They can send them almost whatever and the Pacers have to take it. Now you have PG and Lopez. If I'm the Lakers I offer the pick they got from Brooklyn, Randle or Clarkson, and make them take Deng back for PG. I tell them it's either that are watch him sign with us as a FA 12 months from now.

Utd7
06-20-2017, 07:09 PM
Wow I actually like this move. Makes sense to move Russell with Lonzo coming in.

I figure Magic and Rob see that Clarkson would be a better fit alongside Lonzo especially defensively. A Lonzo/Russell backcourt would get destroyed on the perimeter. Clarkson can score, arguably put up similar numbers to Russell but is more efficient and doesn't have locker room baggage. Also Clarkson is young so he still has upside to improve.

Now if they can flip the two late 1st rounders and Randle for PG, Lakers are in business.

Lonzo
Clarkson
Ingram
PG
Lopez


And Lopez is a big expiring contract which puts LeBron or Westbrook in 2018 in play. Very shrewd move. Just please keep Clarkson.

Wade n Fade
06-20-2017, 07:10 PM
You can probably flip Russell for a late lottery pick

Hope Miami doesn't do that.

chomaru
06-20-2017, 07:11 PM
A couple weeks ago Simmons mentioned BK as a potential landing destination for either Deng or Mozgov.

CityofTreez
06-20-2017, 07:11 PM
russ will be better than Ball... You heard it here.

Who else but you....

CityofTreez
06-20-2017, 07:12 PM
MTM, you are the ladle in the Russ gravy train.

da ThRONe
06-20-2017, 07:13 PM
I seriously doubt anyone they pick at 27th will be better then D'angelo russell.


They need all the picks they can get? Russell is better than anyone they could have gotten.

1st we don't know that what the 27pick will be. 2nd it's two years of Russell before he becomes a RFA. And they are stuck with 3 more years of Mozgov deal in the process. They don't own their own pick so being terrible (yet again) does nothing for the Nets to rebuild. Cap space is more vaulable to Brooklyn.

Greet
06-20-2017, 07:15 PM
This trade also freed up a little money for the Nets in this off-season, which means they can do exactly what they did last year. They're going to offer big money to RFAs (Probably 2 of: Otto Porter, KCP, Jonathon Simmons, or Tim Hardaway Jr) and force the teams to either match their offer or let the Nets get the player.

This is a good move for the Nets.

TheDish87
06-20-2017, 07:15 PM
like this more for the nets than the lakers. not a russ fan but he is still prob better than whatever they can get at 27 and with losing their pick again next year they had to do something. they dont have a lot of money committed so taking Moz wont prevent them from doing anything.

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 07:17 PM
How can Brooklyn be so bad at running a team? Russell's not worth taking back Mozgov deal. Plus they need all the picks they can get. So what are they doing with Lin? Bad trade for the Nets.

You sound dumb

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 07:17 PM
1st we don't know that what the 27pick will be. 2nd it's two years of Russell before he becomes a RFA. And they are stuck with 3 more years of Mozgov deal in the process. They don't own their own pick so being terrible (yet again) does nothing for the Nets to rebuild. Cap space is more vaulable to Brooklyn.

Just stop

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 07:18 PM
Russell > picks 22 and 27

da ThRONe
06-20-2017, 07:18 PM
I seriously doubt anyone they pick at 27th will be better then D'angelo russell.


You sound dumb

You sound dumb. See how easy that is?

More-Than-Most
06-20-2017, 07:18 PM
MTM, you are the ladle in the Russ gravy train.

his skill set is so much better than Lonzo... Yet people complain how russ and his athletic ability but HE is more Athletic than ball... His vision isnt that far off of ball.. His shooting mechanics are better an his shot is better... He is also quicker... The only thing that will make ball seem better if if lebron does in fact sign there and that is the nuclear effect for the lakers... They would get 2 years of lebron and would likely be forced to give up all of their pieces to make their team better and still wont be able to beat the warriors... Its so moronic.. Trade clarkson/randle... not russ.

tp13baby
06-20-2017, 07:18 PM
It doesn't help the Lakers get George but they don't need help he only wants to play for the Lakers therefore they have the upper hand in any negotiations. They can send them almost whatever and the Pacers have to take it. Now you have PG and Lopez. If I'm the Lakers I offer the pick they got from Brooklyn, Randle or Clarkson, and make them take Deng back for PG. I tell them it's either that are watch him sign with us as a FA 12 months from now.

There is no guarantee. LAL are worse off. DLo is a hell of a lot better than Clarkson, Zubac isn't playing next to Brook, and Zubac was in my opinion the second best player on their team. Curves his development. Randle has to be involved in the trade. If PG13 is 100 percent okay going there knowing LA is a bottom feeder easily next year, then yeah sweet, but a Ball/Randle/Ingram/Lopez team doesn't attract a god damn soul.

Just read the Lakers offered 27, 28 pick and either Randle or Clarkson. You don't take Clarkson if your Indiana. Clarkson is pretty drinking bad.

Lopez/Zubac
Nance
Ingram/Deng
PG/Clarkson
Ball/Clarkson

That isn't a playoff team in the west. In the east yes but the west they are a 10ish seed.

da ThRONe
06-20-2017, 07:19 PM
I seriously doubt anyone they pick at 27th will be better then D'angelo russell.


Just stop

Ok I'll stop making sense.

TheDish87
06-20-2017, 07:19 PM
Wow I actually like this move. Makes sense to move Russell with Lonzo coming in.

I figure Magic and Rob see that Clarkson would be a better fit alongside Lonzo especially defensively. A Lonzo/Russell backcourt would get destroyed on the perimeter. Clarkson can score, arguably put up similar numbers to Russell but is more efficient and doesn't have locker room baggage. Also Clarkson is young so he still has upside to improve.

Now if they can flip the two late 1st rounders and Randle for PG, Lakers are in business.

Lonzo
Clarkson
Ingram
PG
Lopez


And Lopez is a big expiring contract which puts LeBron or Westbrook in 2018 in play. Very shrewd move. Just please keep Clarkson.

PG has no interest in playing the 4. i dont think the lineup looks like that.

Wade n Fade
06-20-2017, 07:20 PM
This trade also freed up a little money for the Nets in this off-season, which means they can do exactly what they did last year. They're going to offer big money to RFAs (Probably 2 of: Otto Porter, KCP, Jonathon Simmons, or Tim Hardaway Jr) and force the teams to either match their offer or let the Nets get the player.

This is a good move for the Nets.


Without draft picks, only few ways to grow a team include taking back crap and get an asset or two.

Aust
06-20-2017, 07:21 PM
At least we got LeVert from the Nets.

C-ross12
06-20-2017, 07:21 PM
This trade just makes me laugh. Its like two terrible teams got together and said "Hey, lets swap our mistakes".

FOXHOUND
06-20-2017, 07:22 PM
This was a win-win for each team.

Russell grew out of favor in LA, would have probably caused a **** storm if the Lakers draft Ball or Fox which seems to be the case, and they use him to dump Mozgov now instead of later while picking up the #27 pick in a very deep draft. The Lakers now have #27 and #28 to include in a potential George deal if they want to try and pry him for cheap, combined with Randle and/or Clarkson. If not, they can chill and keep stacking assets while being able to create close to $60M in cap space for next offseason without any other major moves.

The Nets have infinite cap space and this is a great way for them to take a chance on a talented young player who needed a fresh start. Mozgov's salary means nothing for them and #27 is a small price to pay for someone who has All-NBA type potential, if he can sort out his brain. This is basically like recouping one of their traded picks.

jason6692
06-20-2017, 07:22 PM
Lol this f a guyyy only comeback was correcting my spelling because his team made a bad trade ? Lol go drink bleach bro u on the computer too much. And who exactly were the nets gonna give the mozgov money too? Nobody was signing there So why not get a guy entering his 3rd year who can average 20 not everyone can average 20

da ThRONe
06-20-2017, 07:23 PM
I seriously doubt anyone they pick at 27th will be better then D'angelo russell.


There is no guarantee. LAL are worse off. DLo is a hell of a lot better than Clarkson, Zubac isn't playing next to Brook, and Zubac was in my opinion the second best player on their team. Curves his development. Randle has to be involved in the trade. If PG13 is 100 percent okay going there knowing LA is a bottom feeder easily next year, then yeah sweet, but a Ball/Randle/Ingram/Lopez team doesn't attract a god damn soul.

Just read the Lakers offered 27, 28 pick and either Randle or Clarkson. You don't take Clarkson if your Indiana. Clarkson is pretty drinking bad.

Lopez/Zubac
Nance
Ingram/Deng
PG/Clarkson
Ball/Clarkson

That isn't a playoff team in the west. In the east yes but the west they are a 10ish seed.

Again this assumes that they Lakers are done. Which I don't think they are. There's still free agency and the Lakers look a lot more appealing with Lopez and George than with a team full of undeveloped talent.

shep33
06-20-2017, 07:24 PM
At least we got LeVert from the Nets.


No he wasn't part of the deal

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 07:27 PM
Good trade for the Lakers too, they'll shed salary pick up Lonzo Ball and have Brook Lopez as an upgrade at Center. Short term lakers win this, Long term the Nets have a chance to win this. With no first round picks, this is as good as it gets.

5ass
06-20-2017, 07:30 PM
I always felt Russell was overrated as a player and prospect, but I still don't like this for the Lakers.

Aust
06-20-2017, 07:30 PM
Eric Pincus‏Verified account @EricPincus 5m

Writing for @BleacherReport - part of the appeal of Lakers for Paul George - they have cap room to restructure his deal w/cap room...

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still1ballin
06-20-2017, 07:31 PM
Nets won

hugepatsfan
06-20-2017, 07:32 PM
Good trade for the Lakers too, they'll shed salary pick up Lonzo Ball and have Brook Lopez as an upgrade at Center. Short term lakers win this, Long term the Nets have a chance to win this. With no first round picks, this is as good as it gets.

Agreed.

KB24PG16
06-20-2017, 07:32 PM
his skill set is so much better than Lonzo... Yet people complain how russ and his athletic ability but HE is more Athletic than ball... His vision isnt that far off of ball.. His shooting mechanics are better an his shot is better... He is also quicker... The only thing that will make ball seem better if if lebron does in fact sign there and that is the nuclear effect for the lakers... They would get 2 years of lebron and would likely be forced to give up all of their pieces to make their team better and still wont be able to beat the warriors... Its so moronic.. Trade clarkson/randle... not russ.

walton wasnt playing russell in many 4th quarters, took the ball out of his hands and put it in ingram's to run the offense. russell doesn't play defense, lacked work ethic, and maturity was an issue most of his time in la as well. he still has tools to be a good player, but its obvious the lakers fo who were around him for this season, rather than psd posters looking at stats and youtube videos, thought they were better off without him. i don't love the trade by any means but i don't think its a terrible trade. ramona shelbourne reported they tried to get a lotto pick for russell and no one bit. apparently most of the nba front office's don't believe in russell either

NYKnickFanatic
06-20-2017, 07:33 PM
Now if/when they get PG.

Ball
Clarkson
Ingram
PG
Lopez

I like it.

tp13baby
06-20-2017, 07:36 PM
Again this assumes that they Lakers are done. Which I don't think they are. There's still free agency and the Lakers look a lot more appealing with Lopez and George than with a team full of undeveloped talent.

Basically after this trade and assuming Randle for PG, and the cap expected to be at 102 mil, just looking at numbers there is not enough money to really get any impactful players. PG contract is about 16 mil more than Randle which puts them at 99 mil. Probably subtract the 5 mil option Swaggy has so 8 mil before Ball is under contract.

These are extremely rough numbers, but basically the Lopez deal was about the same, PG you will add 16ish mil unless Clarkson is the deal. I'm not sure what else you could do with under 8 mil before you sign Ball.

tp13baby
06-20-2017, 07:38 PM
Now if/when they get PG.

Ball
Clarkson
Ingram
PG
Lopez

I like it.

That team is horrible defensively and that bench will be even more sad. Ingram must take a huge jump because improving a little bit from a terrible rookie campaign, Clarkson is not good, and Ball being a rookie. A lot can go wrong and I really would not be surprised if Philly gets another top 3 pick next year, this time not being there own.

Lakers + Giants
06-20-2017, 07:38 PM
Im sad.

Bostonjorge
06-20-2017, 07:40 PM
Lakers will have close to 60 million in cap space next offseason.

da ThRONe
06-20-2017, 07:41 PM
And for those acting like the 27th pick is worthless. Here's some names taken just last year after 27th in a draft not considered as deep as this one. Skal Labissere, Malcolm Brogdon, Tyler Ullis, Patrick McCaw, Iviac Zubac, and Dejounte Murray. There's value in the late part of the draft if you do your job. Which is why bad teams stay bad.

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 07:44 PM
And for those acting like the 27th pick is worthless. Here's some names taken just last year after 27th in a draft not considered as deep as this one. Skal Labissere, Malcolm Brogdon, Tyler Ullis, Patrick McCaw, Iviac Zubac, and Dejounte Murray. There's value in the late part of the draft if you do your job. Which is why bad teams stay bad.

It's more about luck at that point, tbh.

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 07:46 PM
With this trade Jeremy Lin becomes expendable as he just lost his starting job. I wonder what the Nets can get for J-Lin.

da ThRONe
06-20-2017, 07:46 PM
Basically after this trade and assuming Randle for PG, and the cap expected to be at 102 mil, just looking at numbers there is not enough money to really get any impactful players. PG contract is about 16 mil more than Randle which puts them at 99 mil. Probably subtract the 5 mil option Swaggy has so 8 mil before Ball is under contract.

These are extremely rough numbers, but basically the Lopez deal was about the same, PG you will add 16ish mil unless Clarkson is the deal. I'm not sure what else you could do with under 8 mil before you sign Ball.

Is this with Deng on the roster or not?

warfelg
06-20-2017, 07:48 PM
I like it for both sides but moreso for the Nets.

They got a young player with upside for a guy that was about to walk and a pick that rarely pans out.

I would think they cut and stretch provision Mozgov before FA.

da ThRONe
06-20-2017, 07:49 PM
It's more about luck at that point, tbh.

I strongly disagree. Seems like the Spurs and Warriors get lucky a lot more than other teams. Calling it luck again is the difference between a quality front office and a poor front office.

hugepatsfan
06-20-2017, 07:50 PM
I like it for both sides but moreso for the Nets.

They got a young player with upside for a guy that was about to walk and a pick that rarely pans out.

I would think they cut and stretch provision Mozgov before FA.

That'd be dumb. Why extend the dead money for 7 years.

Scoots
06-20-2017, 07:53 PM
It's more about luck at that point, tbh.

Or scouting to traits the team needs, player development, a system that allows teams to maximize limited players best skills, doing it in quantity, and a dash of luck.

It's funny to me that Russell was a future superstar just a year ago, and now he's a good throw in just to get rid of a bad contract.

mgomrjsurf
06-20-2017, 07:54 PM
Pacers would want Clarkson as of a backup plan if Teague isn't resigned. Lin for a Late First Round Pick.

tp13baby
06-20-2017, 07:55 PM
Is this with Deng on the roster or not?

With. But you would have to give up more talent and prospects to make it happen. I guess you could package Clarkson but not sure how many teams bite on that. Probably none. You aren't getting a salary dump of Deng with Nance. The only one worth it is Zubac.

CityofTreez
06-20-2017, 07:55 PM
walton wasnt playing russell in many 4th quarters, took the ball out of his hands and put it in ingram's to run the offense. russell doesn't play defense, lacked work ethic, and maturity was an issue most of his time in la as well. he still has tools to be a good player, but its obvious the lakers fo who were around him for this season, rather than psd posters looking at stats and youtube videos, thought they were better off without him. i don't love the trade by any means but i don't think its a terrible trade. ramona shelbourne reported they tried to get a lotto pick for russell and no one bit. apparently most of the nba front office's don't believe in russell either

Yeah. MTM thinks this kid has a niche or something. He's been dragging his way into this league by injuries, being relegated, and a nuisance at times. The fact that LA is focused on Ball is writing on the wall. MTM has been the fanatic for Russ, so the trade isn't a terrible tsunami for the Lakes.

PurpleLynch
06-20-2017, 07:58 PM
Ok, now trade someone(Randle,Clarkson or Nance) with Deng to dump the final bad contract. We aren't gettin' nowhere with our roster, it's better clearing the legacy of the predecessors.

Honestly it's an ok trade, we are getting a pick and a decent center with an expiring contract, while dumping a bad contract and giving a player with good potential,but glaring weaknesses: his defense and athleticism,plus he's a combo guard,not a real pg.

Hope we chose JJ anyway, I don't like what Ball coud represent for us in the future(Lavar, LA atmosphere for a young kid with so much expectations and if reports are true, he's out of shape so clearly sign of lack of professionalism).

Marlins97and03
06-20-2017, 07:59 PM
I seriously doubt anyone they pick at 27th will be better then D'angelo russell.

THIS

For the Nets is a nice gamble DA

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 08:07 PM
Lakers will have close to 60 million in cap space next offseason.

I can see them making a run at Lebron James.

s3antana5757
06-20-2017, 08:09 PM
Lakers will have close to 60 million in cap space next offseason.

Be interesting to see if they try to move Deng with Clarkson and they could have space for 3 max guys next season.

Also be interesting to see if they go after CP3.

Maybe they move Deng/Clarkson for Melo? Get all of LeBron's buddies for next season?

lakerfan85
06-20-2017, 08:12 PM
If I was a lake fan id be mad everyone hates russel sok much but his numbers weere respectable this is gonna be his 3rd year. They shoulda saw how the ball russel back court wpouldve worked a guy who can get him *****. Watch in 2 years we will laugh at the Lakers and magic gert magic tf outta here

Right now I'm laughing at your inability to spell and use proper punctuation...

wdwyer
06-20-2017, 08:13 PM
It's been real Lopez. Good Luck in Hollywood.

TheMightyHumph
06-20-2017, 08:14 PM
This has the scent of a Billy King trade

TheMightyHumph
06-20-2017, 08:16 PM
So they got rid of Mosgov's contract and plan to make moves next season. Wow, Nets are stupid.

That is my opinion also

Oakmont_4
06-20-2017, 08:19 PM
How much cap space do you think teams have?

TheMightyHumph
06-20-2017, 08:22 PM
Great trade for the Nets.

The Nets aren't going anywhere the next 3 years. They can take on mozgov salary. They basically traded an aging fragile center for 2 young players and draft pick. Mozgov is only overpaid by about 5m a season. At least he can play a bit.

Who are the two young players and the draft pick Nets got in this deal?

Aust
06-20-2017, 08:22 PM
https://twitter.com/ASAP_SportsNews/status/877296383069483008

lol

mrblisterdundee
06-20-2017, 08:23 PM
I think the Nets slightly won this trade.
A lot of people are getting down on Russell, but he's made comparable progress to Kobe in his first two seasons, even without Shaq around to take a lot of the pressure off. He shoots better and has so far shown a greater inclination toward passing. If he can develop some defensive prowess, he'll be a stud.
Technically, Mozgov's only the Lakers' second-worst contract. He'll help the Nets suck long enough until they can keep some of their first-round picks. The Lakers shot themselves in the foot with Mozgov and Deng, and then had to pay out of pocket with Russell to help stop the bleeding. I wouldn't call that winning.

TrueFan420
06-20-2017, 08:29 PM
This deal is good for the Nets...
They have space and aren't attracting a top tier FA. Eating a contract for 2-3 years while swapping a late pick for a year removed top 2 pick is smart for their situation.

This deal is inconclusive for the Lakers... talent wise/value wise I think it's a loss. However, the deal is about creating as much cap space they can for 2018 when Bron will be a FA and likely to leave the Cavs. If they can snag Bron or top FA with the space it's a great move if not it was a bad deal to give up on Russ so soon.

PurpleLynch
06-20-2017, 08:30 PM
I think the Nets slightly won this trade.
A lot of people are getting down on Russell, but he's made comparable progress to Kobe in his first two seasons, even without Shaq around to take a lot of the pressure off. He shoots better and has so far shown a greater inclination toward passing. If he can develop some defensive prowess, he'll be a stud.
Technically, Mozgov's only the Lakers' second-worst contract. He'll help the Nets suck long enough until they can keep some of their first-round picks. The Lakers shot themselves in the foot with Mozgov and Deng, and then had to pay out of pocket with Russell to help stop the bleeding. I wouldn't call that winning.

That's absolutely not true. Russell has poor playmaking ability, some flashy and nice passes,but really inefficient overall. Turnover prone. The shooting guard role is more suited for him probably.

TrueFan420
06-20-2017, 08:31 PM
The Lakers shot themselves in the foot with Mozgov and Deng, and then had to pay out of pocket with Russell to help stop the bleeding. I wouldn't call that winning.
Ding ding ding... they really did kill themselves with those two contracts.

HandsOnTheWheel
06-20-2017, 08:32 PM
Lakers are sittin' pretty right about now. When Lebron James forms his next superteam on the Lakers next year, this trade will look even better.

TrueFan420
06-20-2017, 08:37 PM
Lakers are sittin' pretty right about now. When Lebron James forms his next superteam on the Lakers next year, this trade will look even better.
If he doesn't their looking pretty stupid

HandsOnTheWheel
06-20-2017, 08:41 PM
Getting rid of Moz contract is a win any way you cut it.

BKLYNpigeon
06-20-2017, 08:44 PM
That's absolutely not true. Russell has poor playmaking ability, some flashy and nice passes,but really inefficient overall. Turnover prone. The shooting guard role is more suited for him probably.

hes 21 year's old and has been in the league only 2 seasons.

mrblisterdundee
06-20-2017, 08:49 PM
That's absolutely not true. Russell has poor playmaking ability, some flashy and nice passes,but really inefficient overall. Turnover prone. The shooting guard role is more suited for him probably.

You're right about Russell being better at shooting guard, but he is obviously a more prolific and accurate passer than Kobe was in his first two seasons. Kobe had an assist-to-turnover rate of 1 to 1, while Russell was 1.5 to 1. Russell had about the same rate of turnovers per 100 possessions, while assisting on 10 percent more of his teammates shots.
At this point, I must also remind you that he didn't have Shaq. His presence on teammates cannot be understated.

mike_noodles
06-20-2017, 08:49 PM
Pretty good deal for the Nets. Best they could probably hope for with that pick and Lopez. I would have liked the Raps to offer their pick and expirings for Russell.

Vinylman
06-20-2017, 08:50 PM
hes 21 year's old and has been in the league only 2 seasons.

He is clearly on a GOAT path

D Loading to commence in 3 2 1.....

CityofChaos
06-20-2017, 08:50 PM
So disregarding his contract is Mozgov no longer servicable? He was at least decent defensively with Den and Clev dont know how he was with LA

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 08:54 PM
It's not a win for the Nets. Jeremy Lin is arguably a better PG than DLO and you just burned your cap with some Russian guy. I guess Lin and Mosgov will play a good P&R but this looks like Magic Johnson was laughing when he found an idiot willing to take Mosgov.. dude knew he had to package Randle, DLo, or Nance for someone to even consider it. Looks like the NY teams are like a charity case. You want to get rid of garbage, call 1-800-NewYork-Knicks/Nets.

europagnpilgrim
06-20-2017, 08:56 PM
next breaking news coming... DLO announcers retirement... Dude going from LA to new jersey :laugh:

Going from LA to NewYork/Jersey is not that big of a deal, he went from Hollywood to the Mecca of the country, he won since both teams suck pretty much, of course Lakers will probably be better sooner than Nets but I wouldn't be mad at all if I were Russell, he was a reach anyway coming out, nothing special in my bball book, he should be happy to have a spot in the league

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 08:56 PM
As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day. We now have Russell LeVert and Hollis Jefferson, plus the 22nd Overall Pick in this years draft. (Most likely a Big Man) 1 step at a time. I believe in D'Angelo Russell. Turn the Nets around! #Brooklyn

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 08:58 PM
As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day. We now have Russell LeVert and Hollis Jefferson, plus the 22nd Overall Pick in this years draft. (Most likely a Big Man) 1 step at a time. I believe in D'Angelo Russell. Turn the Nets around! #Brooklyn

You guys can't even build a tent...

HandsOnTheWheel
06-20-2017, 08:59 PM
It's not a win for the Nets. Jeremy Lin is arguably a better PG than DLO and you just burned your cap with some Russian guy. I guess Lin and Mosgov will play a good P&R but this looks like Magic Johnson was laughing when he found an idiot willing to take Mosgov.. dude knew he had to package Randle, DLo, or Nance for someone to even consider it. Looks like the NY teams are like a charity case. You want to get rid of garbage, call 1-800-NewYork-Knicks/Nets.
Lmaooo

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 08:59 PM
It's not a win for the Nets. Jeremy Lin is arguably a better PG than DLO and you just burned your cap with some Russian guy. I guess Lin and Mosgov will play a good P&R but this looks like Magic Johnson was laughing when he found an idiot willing to take Mosgov.. dude knew he had to package Randle, DLo, or Nance for someone to even consider it. Looks like the NY teams are like a charity case. You want to get rid of garbage, call 1-800-NewYork-Knicks/Nets.

Russell is to the Nets what Westbrook is to OKC. No one wants to play in OKC. Players will always choose Ny over that bum destination. Enjoy seeing Durant win a ring??

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 09:00 PM
You guys can't even build a tent...

A hater! That's means we're doing something good.

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 09:00 PM
Russell is to the Nets what Westbrook is to OKC. No one wants to play in OKC. Players will always choose Ny over that bum destination. Enjoy seeing Durant win a ring??

With all due respect, Deron Williams was your biggest free agent attraction the past.. decade? And you guys literally made the Boston Celtics the most stacked team in terms of picks. Are the Brooklyn Nets aka the Boston Celtics? Might as well be.

Mr.B
06-20-2017, 09:02 PM
It's kind of funny to see all the Lakers fans bashing Russell now that he's not on the team. Every Laker fan here was probably saying he's a burgeoning super star at this point last year.

Vinylman
06-20-2017, 09:03 PM
It's kind of funny to see all the Lakers fans bashing Russell now that he's not on the team. Every Laker fan here was probably saying he's a burgeoning super star at this point last year.

So wrong

Scoots
06-20-2017, 09:05 PM
You guys can't even build a tent...

LOL.

The Nets are going full Hinkie.

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 09:10 PM
It's kind of funny to see all the Lakers fans bashing Russell now that he's not on the team. Every Laker fan here was probably saying he's a burgeoning super star at this point last year.

I know so fake

ohreally
06-20-2017, 09:15 PM
I feel bad for Brook, who really did everything he could for the Nets. Only compensation is that i expect Brook's rep will improve in LA.

I'm willing to wait a day or so to see if the Nets have something else lined up, otherwise it does not seem to me that Russell, as good as he still might be, is the "new" Nets' type of player. It does seem like something the old Nets' regime may have done.

Again, I'll wait to see, but i don't see why they had to give up Brook and a pick for the privlege of taking on Moz's salary. I understand that to take on that salary and maintain or increase their cap space, they had to give up Brook, but what are they going to do with the money?

I'll miss you, Brook. I wish after all the c--- you took with the Nets you at least could have wound up on a team that would be playin for something.

TheMightyHumph
06-20-2017, 09:21 PM
LOL.

The Nets are going full Hinkie.

Hinkie wasn't TAKING ON salary.

LA4life24/8
06-20-2017, 09:29 PM
I feel bad for Brook, who really did everything he could for the Nets. Only compensation is that i expect Brook's rep will improve in LA.

I'm willing to wait a day or so to see if the Nets have something else lined up, otherwise it does not seem to me that Russell, as good as he still might be, is the "new" Nets' type of player. It does seem like something the old Nets' regime may have done.

Again, I'll wait to see, but i don't see why they had to give up Brook and a pick for the privlege of taking on Moz's salary. I understand that to take on that salary and maintain or increase their cap space, they had to give up Brook, but what are they going to do with the money?

I'll miss you, Brook. I wish after all the c--- you took with the Nets you at least could have wound up on a team that would be playin for something.

They didnt wanna lose brook for nothing and w no 1st rounders of their own tbe next couple years a young budding guard w upside was prolly as good as it gets. Not ti mention they aren't drawing free agents their so mozgov money wont matter. + hes still s serviceable big

Teeboy1487
06-20-2017, 09:40 PM
It's kind of funny to see all the Lakers fans bashing Russell now that he's not on the team. Every Laker fan here was probably saying he's a burgeoning super star at this point last year.

You would be surprised how polarizing he was if you were any kind of member a Lakers forum. I personally preferred Okafor to this day. Of course Laker fans wanted the best from Russell. He was a ****ing Laker for crying out loud. What other reaction you expect from humans?

richiesaurus310
06-20-2017, 10:14 PM
If the Lakers swing and miss in free agency again they are epically screwed now. Gave away the 2nd overall pick from 2 years ago, their 1st round pick from 3 years ago hasn't impressed, and they don't have a first next year. It's all in on the 2018 free agency for a team that has been nothing but dysfunction since Dr Buss died. I really don't like the odds of this ending well for the Lakers. Paul George to LA feels a lot like Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks years ago. Yea it's nice have a star player, but it's not going to lead to much success without a functional front office and coaching staff.

I actually like this for the Nets. They got the 2nd pick without actually having any picks. Who cares if you're stuck with Mozgof for 2-3 years? The Nets weren't going to attract any worthwhile max players anyways. Rebuild around Russell sounds a lot better than sucking with no future at all with Lopez and no firsts.

AllBall
06-20-2017, 10:17 PM
Hinkie wasn't TAKING ON salary.

Agreed. Don't blashpheme The Process™ with such a comparison.

maddBat
06-20-2017, 10:23 PM
It's not a win for the Nets. Jeremy Lin is arguably a better PG than DLO and you just burned your cap with some Russian guy. I guess Lin and Mosgov will play a good P&R but this looks like Magic Johnson was laughing when he found an idiot willing to take Mosgov.. dude knew he had to package Randle, DLo, or Nance for someone to even consider it. Looks like the NY teams are like a charity case. You want to get rid of garbage, call 1-800-NewYork-Knicks/Nets.

-burning our cap? brooklyn currently has the most cap space.....?
-lin arguably better than dlo? WHAT?
-but please call us when u want to dump salaries

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 10:25 PM
burning our cap? brooklyn currently have the most cap space.....? but please call us when u want to dump salaries

What I meant from that is you guys are WASTING it. You could have got rid of Lopez's contract by next season. Now, you're locking into a contract with Mosgov and the guy is nothing but a backup center at this point. He has soft hands so good luck trying to get the guy to cut to the basket. I don't know why Nets didn't just wait for a clean slate.

maddBat
06-20-2017, 10:27 PM
What I meant from that is you guys are WASTING it. You could have got rid of Lopez's contract by next season. Now, you're locking into a contract with Mosgov and the guy is nothing but a backup center at this point. He has soft hands so good luck trying to get the guy to cut to the basket. I don't know why Nets didn't just wait for a clean slate.

so instead of letting him walk as a free agent for nothing... we got a young pg with potential and a backup caliber C.

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 10:30 PM
so instead of letting him walk as a free agent for nothing... we got a young pg with potential and a backup caliber C.

Lakers are laughing all the way to Staples... The trade value for Brook Lopez was very low. And you guys already have Jeremy - who I think is a better PG than DLO right now. Lakers got rid of DLO only because they hated Mosgov's contract.. and you guys bought it.

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 10:35 PM
Lakers are laughing all the way to Staples... The trade value for Brook Lopez was very low. And you guys already have Jeremy - who I think is a better PG than DLO right now. Lakers got rid of DLO only because they hated Mosgov's contract.. and you guys bought it.

I'm going to laugh at you when D'Angelo Russell develops into an All
Star and you felt the 20 win Nets should stick with Jeremy Lin.

Westbrook36
06-20-2017, 10:37 PM
What I meant from that is you guys are WASTING it. You could have got rid of Lopez's contract by next season. Now, you're locking into a contract with Mosgov and the guy is nothing but a backup center at this point. He has soft hands so good luck trying to get the guy to cut to the basket. I don't know why Nets didn't just wait for a clean slate.

Who wants to sign with Brooklyn with that roster? Nobody..but they'll still have the cap to offer a RFA a huge deal each year.

After 2018 they finally get the 1st rounders back into the fold. They'll likely still be awful 2019 where they draft someone. Then comes 2020 where they'll have one potential high rookie into the fold, RFA if they can nab one (or a late possible 1st rounder who is productive), and Russ. Then Moz comes off the books and I would imagine they won't be very good in 2020 so you have another high selection.

After that you'll potentially have some young talent that can attract FAs in the future.

GREATNESS ONE
06-20-2017, 10:38 PM
It's kind of funny to see all the Lakers fans bashing Russell now that he's not on the team. Every Laker fan here was probably saying he's a burgeoning super star at this point last year.

Nah bro, check our forum, plenty of us we're not saying that.... heck check some of the game threads :laugh2: Russell made a lot of mistakes, his Bball IQ is sooo low.

ciaban
06-20-2017, 10:49 PM
Yeah, I'm not really liking this trade.

LA_Raiders
06-20-2017, 10:58 PM
Bad trade for LA, they could have done better. Lopez and a 27? For a 2 year 2 overall pick, and salary dump? Sorry but they ****ed up.

still1ballin
06-20-2017, 11:05 PM
This will bite the lakers in the ***

still1ballin
06-20-2017, 11:06 PM
It's kind of funny to see all the Lakers fans bashing Russell now that he's not on the team. Every Laker fan here was probably saying he's a burgeoning super star at this point last year.

Nah bro, check our forum, plenty of us we're not saying that.... heck check some of the game threads :laugh2: Russell made a lot of mistakes, his Bball IQ is sooo low.

He's 21 years old and only with 2 years in the league. Lakers didn't give up on kobes cocky and arrogant attitude while throwing up air balls against Utah

D Blue987
06-20-2017, 11:13 PM
I can't believe thats all it took

Mozgov was an albatross contract that would have kept the Lakers in the cellar for years along with Deng. Lopez is an expiring and the Lakers are drafting Lonzo Ball in all likelihood anyways.

D Blue987
06-20-2017, 11:15 PM
This will bite the lakers in the ***

Lakers will be laughing in a year when they build their next super team.

MJNetsIsles
06-20-2017, 11:16 PM
Lakers will be laughing in a year when they buy their next super team.

Fixed

still1ballin
06-20-2017, 11:18 PM
This will bite the lakers in the ***

Lakers will be laughing in a year when they build their next super team.

Like they did when they got Nash and Howard?

LakersEaglesLA
06-20-2017, 11:20 PM
Stop Hating on everything the Lakers do. Brooklyn gained more in the deal. People getting scared of us Again!!

D Blue987
06-20-2017, 11:23 PM
Fixed

same difference. Magic and Pelinka inherited their crap roster of over paid veterans and young prospects. What did people honestly expect? That the Lakers would accept sucking for the next 3-4 years before doing anything substantial to clean up the roster? D Lo had some good games that showed his potential but he had some awful games as well not to mention his off the court antics hurt his public image and in the locker room. Its his brains I have always questioned not his game. At any rate, come what may, the Lakers are trying to weed out guys who don't fit into their long term plans its clear. With the lakers likely drafting Lonzo Ball, there are probably better options at the 2 than D Lo the Lakers could sign or trade for.

hugepatsfan
06-20-2017, 11:26 PM
If the Banana Boat Crew all want to take massive pay cuts to play together in LA, why not go to a team that would have better pieces around them. If they're all taking as big pay cuts as it will require, they can make it work on teams that have more talent than LA.

FlashBolt
06-20-2017, 11:53 PM
If the Banana Boat Crew all want to take massive pay cuts to play together in LA, why not go to a team that would have better pieces around them. If they're all taking as big pay cuts as it will require, they can make it work on teams that have more talent than LA.

Assuming they can get rid of Clarkson and Deng, they practically have no one on their team. That's literally a clean slate. They have their 3rd pick, Nance, Ingram, etc., but all team options and they're obviously picking it up. And they all like LA - which I can only assume makes it perfect.

Sssmush
06-21-2017, 12:08 AM
Mozgov was an albatross contract that would have kept the Lakers in the cellar for years along with Deng. Lopez is an expiring and the Lakers are drafting Lonzo Ball in all likelihood anyways.

Mosgov is a useful backup center who we benched last year so we could tank. And we're already way under the cap. And Deng is the really worse deal/player

And if we have to draft Ball now that means this deal is also costing us Josh Jackson.

This trade is a **** sandwich there is just no way to bite it that won't taste gross

warfelg
06-21-2017, 12:19 AM
Hinkie wasn't TAKING ON salary.

He did, he just bought them out almost immediately.

Bostonjorge
06-21-2017, 12:27 AM
Lakers got the best player in the deal Lopez and they also got rid of Moz contract. The draft pick is just the cherry on top.

Brooklyn must be Lakers fans.

numba1CHANGsta
06-21-2017, 12:37 AM
Russell was suppose to be the next Magic Johnson, guess Magic didn't see himself in him lol

D Blue987
06-21-2017, 12:39 AM
Lakers got the best player in the deal Lopez and they also got rid of Moz contract. The draft pick is just the cherry on top.

Brooklyn must be Lakers fans.

No they were just desperate for some sort of young lottery type talent.

MJNetsIsles
06-21-2017, 12:44 AM
Brooklyn got the best player in the trade.

D'Angelo Russell

FlashBolt
06-21-2017, 12:45 AM
Brooklyn got the best player in the trade.

D'Angelo Russell

They also got the worst player..

MJNetsIsles
06-21-2017, 12:48 AM
Nets are idiots

Funny. I've always thought you were one.

Takes one to know one

MJNetsIsles
06-21-2017, 12:49 AM
They also got the worst player..

Who won't even matter in 2-4 years when Russell enters his prime and that cap space opens up.

ohreally
06-21-2017, 01:09 AM
Brooklyn got the best player in the trade.

D'Angelo Russell

Brook Lopez is the best playervin this trade. Not even close. You can argue that Russell is potentially more valuable to the Nets going forward, but that's an entirely different story, and still debatable. If Russell upsets chemistry that debate would be a short one.

FOXHOUND
06-21-2017, 01:11 AM
For da Laker fans,

Current Lakers 2018 Salary Cap Outlook

Guaranteed Contracts
Clarkson - $12,500,000
#2 2nd Year - $6,218,300
Ingram - $5,757,120 - Team Option, but obviously
Nance Jr. - $2,272,391 - Team Option, but obviously
Zubac - $1,544,951 - Non-guaranteed, but obviously
- $28,292,762

Qualifying Offers/RFA rights
Randle - $5,564,134 - Full Bird's Rights
Nwaba - $1,744,951 - Early Bird's Rights
- $7,309,085

Dead Money/Stretched
Deng - $7,362,000

Optional Contracts/Possible Two-Way Contracts
#27 2nd Year - $1,408,200
#28 2nd Year - $1,399,600
- $2,807,800

Cap Holds
4 @ $800,000/ea - $3,200,000

Total - $48,971,647 against a $102,000,000 salary cap = $53,028,353 cap space

Being conservative, I'm assuming that Deng is waived/stretched as the Lakers may not want to give up another asset. You can always renounce Randle's rights/sign and trade him if you are signing a PF and no longer need him to create an additional $4,764,132, leaving you with $57,792,485. At the same time, the option to instead use Ingram to completely dump Deng like they just did with Russell/Mozgov will of course be an option should they need it. In that case, remove an additional $14,795,120 to bring your cap space total to $67,823,473. If you do both of these, you're left with $72,587,605 or $76,587,605, as you replace the cap holds..

DODGERS&LAKERS
06-21-2017, 01:14 AM
I like Russell. I hope he does well. He needs to change some things but I like a lot of his game for a 21 year old. Obviously he needs to mature but ageing should help that. I hear he has really bad work ethic but being given up on 2 years in, might change that. And his D. He's got to stop just laying on screens allowing his man to do whatever he wants. I like his offense though. He's a good shooting guard with great vision. You can play him at point guard but he becomes a mediocre PG with okay vision.

Im glad the Lakers got rid of Mozgov. He's served no purpose other than eating up cap room.

But both teams got what they needed and that's a decent trade.

DODGERS&LAKERS
06-21-2017, 01:22 AM
For da Laker fans,

Current Lakers 2018 Salary Cap Outlook

Guaranteed Contracts
Clarkson - $12,500,000
#2 2nd Year - $6,218,300
Ingram - $5,757,120 - Team Option, but obviously
Nance Jr. - $2,272,391 - Team Option, but obviously
Zubac - $1,544,951 - Non-guaranteed, but obviously
- $28,292,762

Qualifying Offers/RFA rights
Randle - $5,564,134 - Full Bird's Rights
Nwaba - $1,744,951 - Early Bird's Rights
- $7,309,085

Dead Money/Stretched
Deng - $7,362,000

Optional Contracts/Possible Two-Way Contracts
#27 2nd Year - $1,408,200
#28 2nd Year - $1,399,600
- $2,807,800

Cap Holds
4 @ $800,000/ea - $3,200,000

Total - $48,971,647 against a $102,000,000 salary cap = $53,028,353 cap space

Being conservative, I'm assuming that Deng is waived/stretched as the Lakers may not want to give up another asset. You can always renounce Randle's rights/sign and trade him if you are signing a PF and no longer need him to create an additional $4,764,132, leaving you with $57,792,485. At the same time, the option to instead use Ingram to completely dump Deng like they just did with Russell/Mozgov will of course be an option should they need it. In that case, remove an additional $14,795,120 to bring your cap space total to $67,823,473. If you do both of these, you're left with $72,587,605 or $75,787,605, as you replace the cap holds..
Thanks for putting all that together. I'd rather they not trade Ingram with Deng. I'd just stretch him. If they're going to sign two big time guys aka PG and (other), they need to hit on Ingram and Ball to have a good core 4 with Randle or Clarkson as your main role players. They may have to trade Clarkson for an expiring or give Him to a team that can absorb him into their cap room for a pick, which shouldnt be hard.

This is why I'm not upset with this trade. If you put back Mozgovs and Russell's money, they don't even have cap room to offer even one player a max, let alone two. So even if George does sign, he would have been by himself until/If one of the 20 year old panned out

east fb knicks
06-21-2017, 01:29 AM
Am i the only 1 who thinks lopez could be a good fit for the lakers especially if they get pg13

Ball
Clarkson
Idk
Randle
Lopez

Thats not a bad lineup at all

east fb knicks
06-21-2017, 01:30 AM
I could see the nets moving lin and starting dlo at pg

TheMightyHumph
06-21-2017, 01:30 AM
I could see the nets moving lin and starting dlo at pg

Moving Lin where, and for what?

smith&wesson
06-21-2017, 01:40 AM
For da Laker fans,

Current Lakers 2018 Salary Cap Outlook

Guaranteed Contracts
Clarkson - $12,500,000
#2 2nd Year - $6,218,300
Ingram - $5,757,120 - Team Option, but obviously
Nance Jr. - $2,272,391 - Team Option, but obviously
Zubac - $1,544,951 - Non-guaranteed, but obviously
- $28,292,762

Qualifying Offers/RFA rights
Randle - $5,564,134 - Full Bird's Rights
Nwaba - $1,744,951 - Early Bird's Rights
- $7,309,085

Dead Money/Stretched
Deng - $7,362,000

Optional Contracts/Possible Two-Way Contracts
#27 2nd Year - $1,408,200
#28 2nd Year - $1,399,600
- $2,807,800

Cap Holds
4 @ $800,000/ea - $3,200,000

Total - $48,971,647 against a $102,000,000 salary cap = $53,028,353 cap space

Being conservative, I'm assuming that Deng is waived/stretched as the Lakers may not want to give up another asset. You can always renounce Randle's rights/sign and trade him if you are signing a PF and no longer need him to create an additional $4,764,132, leaving you with $57,792,485. At the same time, the option to instead use Ingram to completely dump Deng like they just did with Russell/Mozgov will of course be an option should they need it. In that case, remove an additional $14,795,120 to bring your cap space total to $67,823,473. If you do both of these, you're left with $72,587,605 or $76,587,605, as you replace the cap holds..

If they trade Clarkson and picks for PG, theyll likely send Deng to make salaries closer to matching, no ?

DODGERS&LAKERS
06-21-2017, 01:43 AM
If they trade Clarkson and picks for PG, theyll likely send Deng to make salaries closer to matching, no ?

Clarkson already at around $12m. PG is barely in the high teens. Deng would be way to much. I think Deng and George make the same amount right now (crazy right)

smith&wesson
06-21-2017, 01:43 AM
Am i the only 1 who thinks lopez could be a good fit for the lakers especially if they get pg13

Ball
Clarkson
Idk
Randle
Lopez

Thats not a bad lineup at all

He is better than any Player PG was playing with the Pacers.. and he does shoot the 3 so hes not an obsolete big

But that line up isnt all that mpressive.. PG, Lopez, Ingram, Ball, Randle would be the core. They still have alot to work to compete in the west.

Kyben36
06-21-2017, 01:49 AM
can somebody explain why the nets gave up a first, and traded the best player, i dont care who you are, most know the Russell is a bust already, the guy has no ability to take an off hand layup. he just isnt that good.

FOXHOUND
06-21-2017, 01:55 AM
Thanks for putting all that together. I'd rather they not trade Ingram with Deng. I'd just stretch him. If they're going to sign two big time guys aka PG and (other), they need to hit on Ingram and Ball to have a good core 4 with Randle or Clarkson as your main role players. They may have to trade Clarkson for an expiring or give Him to a team that can absorb him into their cap room for a pick, which shouldnt be hard.

This is why I'm not upset with this trade. If you put back Mozgovs and Russell's money, they don't even have cap room to offer even one player a max, let alone two. So even if George does sign, he would have been by himself until/If one of the 20 year old panned out

Np :D

That's certainly an option, just going off of the Russell/Mozgov deal as a working point. I think you only trade Ingram+Deng if it means you're signing LeBron. Otherwise, they can afford to sign George and Cousins while keeping Ingram and stretching Deng. However, Randle goes in either scenario. I don't think you mind the loss if you're signing 2/3 of those FAs though lol. They can keep Clarkson as a 6th man, or if they want to try and dump him for free they can clear extra money that way if they wanted to keep Randle.

Magic's got a lot of flexibility to work with, that's for sure.

FOXHOUND
06-21-2017, 01:58 AM
If they trade Clarkson and picks for PG, theyll likely send Deng to make salaries closer to matching, no ?

This is under the assumption that they try to sign him + LeBron/Cousins in free agency. If they trade for him before the offseason, things will have to be adjusted in general. It would give them more cap space in resigning him and, depending on what goes back, it may be possible for them to even sign all three.

PhillySportFan
06-21-2017, 02:02 AM
I understand it from the Lakers/Magic's point of view. It just looks horrible though, the 2nd overall pick 2 seasons ago for that? This trade could make Magic look like a genius or an absolute idiot depending on how Russell plays.

FOXHOUND
06-21-2017, 02:15 AM
I understand it from the Lakers/Magic's point of view. It just looks horrible though, the 2nd overall pick 2 seasons ago for that? This trade could make Magic look like a genius or an absolute idiot depending on how Russell plays.

Theoretically, if they moved Ingram, Clarkson, Deng and waived Randle and Nwaba's rights, they could have $92,594,558 of cap space going in. They can then try to sign LeBron, George and Cousins together with them taking small pay cuts of a combined $3M or so. They would still have Ball, Nance, Zubac and whoever they drafted at #27 and #28 this year, PLUS the MLE to get someone else in FA.

Ball
MLE 3 and D type player
George
LeBron-Nance Jr.
Cousins-Zubac

Add in those hungry vet mins and possibly #27 and #28 somewhere, and this is like the ultimate 2K dream play by Magic, right? :laugh2:

mikekhelxD
06-21-2017, 02:18 AM
Just imagine if Mitch and Co didn't sign Deng and/or Moz.

rhino17
06-21-2017, 02:20 AM
Am i the only 1 who thinks lopez could be a good fit for the lakers especially if they get pg13

Ball
Clarkson
Idk
Randle
Lopez

Thats not a bad lineup at all
For the East maybe, that lineup even with paul george isn't sniffing the playoffs in the west

kobe4thewinbang
06-21-2017, 02:26 AM
D'Lo, say it ain't so! They traded my boy!

...At least they shed that misguided Mozgov contract. I actually like Mozgov, but once Luke "Warriors offense" Walton became the coach, the signing made no sense.

Surprising that D'Lo was the player to go first, as he showed flashes of stardom twice, especially in that duel with Cavaliers' Kyrie Irving last season. He's a skilled shooter, but I can see why they're banking on Lonzo Ball. Reportedly new Lakers President Magic Johnson was not a big fan of Russell's combo guard style. I hope this means they draft Lonzo Ball instead of Josh Jackson. Now without D'Lo, they definitely need some kind of playmaker!

Brook Lopez ain't too shabby either, and he's on the last year of his contract. They also now have two consecutive draft picks for Thursday night (#27 & #28), if they don't trade 'em for Paul George on top of this move. A solid first strike by GM Pelinka, but my boy is gone! He got ice in his veins, and if the Nets keep him, he going to be knee deep in that Brooklyn snow next season!

Time to change my avatar! :rimshot:

kobe4thewinbang
06-21-2017, 02:27 AM
Plus Lopez can kind of shoot threes, can't he? So he fits better than Mozgov if Lakers choose to keep him.

numba1CHANGsta
06-21-2017, 02:47 AM
Just imagine if Mitch and Co didn't sign Deng and/or Moz.

Lakers would have signed 3 max players plus use some young assets to get a 4th

JWorthy42
06-21-2017, 02:52 AM
D'Angelo ain't **** but I would expect a little bit more than that for the #2 pick. However, there is a reason why his value is so low.

smith&wesson
06-21-2017, 03:21 AM
Clarkson already at around $12m. PG is barely in the high teens. Deng would be way to much. I think Deng and George make the same amount right now (crazy right)

Yeah youre right.. wow thats disgusting..

numba1CHANGsta
06-21-2017, 03:30 AM
Yeah youre right.. wow thats disgusting..

That's why the Lakers need to get rid of Deng even if they have to sacrifice a young player or two because of these stupid deals Mitch/Jim did

zadora5
06-21-2017, 04:49 AM
Lol man oh man ya'll some dumb ******** I can't wait to see Lonzo out of the league in 2 years, he is a wasteman, he will be the worst player the NBA has seen since Bowie

Monta is beast
06-21-2017, 04:49 AM
How is Russel a bust already. He's 21 and one year was hijacked by Kobe. Dude can play ball just needs to mature on and off the court

zadora5
06-21-2017, 04:51 AM
I'd slap the motha ********** ******* out of that b**** ***** n****

Oakmont_4
06-21-2017, 06:21 AM
Theoretically, if they moved Ingram, Clarkson, Deng and waived Randle and Nwaba's rights, they could have $92,594,558 of cap space going in. They can then try to sign LeBron, George and Cousins together with them taking small pay cuts of a combined $3M or so. They would still have Ball, Nance, Zubac and whoever they drafted at #27 and #28 this year, PLUS the MLE to get someone else in FA.

Ball
MLE 3 and D type player
George
LeBron-Nance Jr.
Cousins-Zubac

Add in those hungry vet mins and possibly #27 and #28 somewhere, and this is like the ultimate 2K dream play by Magic, right? :laugh2:

You're not taking into consideration cap holds. The new CBA pretty much prevented 3 MAX players on any team. Unless all 3 are taking pay cuts...This isn't happening. (even if it did, they still lose to GS)

Ball, Nance Jr and Zubac is about $10M roughly. Factor in #27 and #28 that's another $3M Now cap holds for the remaining 7 roster spots...$5.7M.

They have roughly $83.3M in cap space here.

They wouldn't get an MLE because they would have started the year off under the cap. They'd only get a Room Exception for about $4M.

So you have.

LBJ (F)
George (F)
Cousins (C)
Ball (PG)
Nance Jr. (PF)
Zubac (C)
#27 from 2017
#28 from 2017
Room Exception player

You need about 6 vets to come "chase a ring" at the vet Min. Not sure how many top vets you're getting with this roster, but they're still going to lose to GS...And it only happens if the "big 3" take about $3M under the max EACH.

Kyben36
06-21-2017, 06:27 AM
How is Russel a bust already. He's 21 and one year was hijacked by Kobe. Dude can play ball just needs to mature on and off the court

when you are 21 and still have no off hand it says something about your work ethic and resolve. its not hard to work on your off hand. I had mine down at the age of 15. I can tell you guarding a guy who all ways comes back to s strong had is extremely easy. especially when it matters. .

fwiw. Randall has the same issue. I've watched plenty of laker games and called out every play he is going back to his left. don't let him. good defenders know how to shut guys down by forcing them where they don't want to go.

and at 21. again .if you can't take a layup going to your off hand. there is something wrong with you.

I will call it now. at best Russell is a role player in the nba. where he can be an off ball player to a star who can do a little off the dribble. if he is expected to take on elite wing defenders though and be a primary option. that team won't go very far.

and for a #2 overall pick. getting a marginal role player would be pretty close to a bust

Oakmont_4
06-21-2017, 06:28 AM
If they trade Clarkson and picks for PG, theyll likely send Deng to make salaries closer to matching, no ?

They don't need to match as the Lakers could fit PG into their cap space. IND isn't going to want Deng. That's not happening. Clarkson I could see peaking their interest slightly, but they'd need a good asset attached to him (#2 or Ingram)

pebloemer
06-21-2017, 08:02 AM
Deal seems to make sense for both sides. Brooklyn has so few young assets and is staring a long rebuild in the face. Using cap space/expirings to bring in any young assets is a must. At least with a player 2 years removed from being #2 overall they can sell some hope and try to turn him into something. A very late 1st round draft pick and an expiring Brook Lopez have lower ceilings for them. Lakers are always a threat in FA if they have space to use, shedding Mozgov's deal can really open up some options for them.

KnicksorBust
06-21-2017, 08:03 AM
when you are 21 and still have no off hand it says something about your work ethic and resolve. its not hard to work on your off hand. I had mine down at the age of 15. I can tell you guarding a guy who all ways comes back to s strong had is extremely easy. especially when it matters. .

fwiw. Randall has the same issue. I've watched plenty of laker games and called out every play he is going back to his left. don't let him. good defenders know how to shut guys down by forcing them where they don't want to go.

and at 21. again .if you can't take a layup going to your off hand. there is something wrong with you.

I will call it now. at best Russell is a role player in the nba. where he can be an off ball player to a star who can do a little off the dribble. if he is expected to take on elite wing defenders though and be a primary option. that team won't go very far.

and for a #2 overall pick. getting a marginal role player would be pretty close to a bust

This is an awesome post.

I still think Russell's court vision and shooting play too well in the modern league to dump him like this but if it really creates the cap and opportunity to bring in heavy hitters to the Lakers then they will look like a genius.

For the Nets I thought this was a great move. They can't win and they don't have picks so how do you acquire a lottery talent? They ate a bad contract and dumped an expiring. Low risk and I still say there is upside. He went #2 for a reason.

Has potential to be a win-win for both sides. Very interested to see how the Lakers roster looks in a week.

mightybosstone
06-21-2017, 08:25 AM
After reading some responses by Lakers fans, I'm honestly shocked that you guys are in love with this deal. It's essentially a salary dump in which the Lakers just gave up the No. 2 pick from two years ago, who might be their top current prospect. In what way is that a win?

Even if they turn around and trade for George, this still doesn't make a ton of sense. That team with George and Lopez won't be competitive in the West. They'll be lucky to crack .500. Meanwhile, they could have sucked one more year, got another high draft pick and probably STILL landed George. Instead they dumped Russell for an oft-injured aging center and a late round pick they probably won't even use. I just don't get it.

ohreally
06-21-2017, 08:26 AM
can somebody explain why the nets gave up a first, and traded the best player, i dont care who you are, most know the Russell is a bust already, the guy has no ability to take an off hand layup. he just isnt that good.

I'd like to see that explanation. Mind boggling, really.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
06-21-2017, 08:33 AM
Last trade deadline Nets asking price for Lopez was like two first round picks. Now they eat deadweight Mozgov and give up a first. Yeah they got Russell. How much capspace does the Nets have? Maybe they can help my Bucks and eat some more dead weight as in Henson, Delly, Telly.

mightybosstone
06-21-2017, 08:37 AM
can somebody explain why the nets gave up a first, and traded the best player, i dont care who you are, most know the Russell is a bust already, the guy has no ability to take an off hand layup. he just isnt that good.
That one factor alone hardly makes him a bust. He's already got a competent 3-point shot, has shown he can score, and he's only 21. I'd MUCH rather have a young prospect like that than Lopez, who doesn't rebound, doesn't defend at a high level and can't top 30 minutes a night anymore at 28 or 29. Russell still has a ton of room to grow over the next 3-4 years. Lopez probably won't even be in the league 3-4 years from now.

I can understand that trades are subjective, particularly right after they're made. But to make this seem one-sided in favor of the Lakers just seems totally asinine.

Jetsguy
06-21-2017, 09:13 AM
giving up talent for the sole purpose of dumping a bad contract rarely works

lakerfan85
06-21-2017, 10:28 AM
After reading some responses by Lakers fans, I'm honestly shocked that you guys are in love with this deal. It's essentially a salary dump in which the Lakers just gave up the No. 2 pick from two years ago, who might be their top current prospect. In what way is that a win?

Even if they turn around and trade for George, this still doesn't make a ton of sense. That team with George and Lopez won't be competitive in the West. They'll be lucky to crack .500. Meanwhile, they could have sucked one more year, got another high draft pick and probably STILL landed George. Instead they dumped Russell for an oft-injured aging center and a late round pick they probably won't even use. I just don't get it.

Except they don't have a first round pick next year..

eDush
06-21-2017, 10:35 AM
So they got rid of Mosgov's contract and plan to make moves next season. Wow, Nets are stupid.How is that stupid unless it's still stupid posting time that was carried over from yesterday? Lopez is one more year left and most likely will not resign since they Nets are not even contending for awhile. For them, this is like trading for a #2 pick which is where D'Angelo was taken, who has a stroke as sweet as my Steph and could one day be as deadly as him from distance if he's put the effort in which he seem to have and the Nets owner really likes Mozgov and have major cap room since no big name wants to go there anymore. And I see why the Lakers did it is to dump salary to clear space for PG which they wouldn't be in this position in the first place had they not given Moz that contract to begin with just last offseason. Lopez is basically gone after next season and might not play much based on how Zubac, whom I wanted my Dubs to take over Jones during the last draft :(

So the Nets are stupid you say?
:dance2:

KnicksorBust
06-21-2017, 10:36 AM
That one factor alone hardly makes him a bust. He's already got a competent 3-point shot, has shown he can score, and he's only 21. I'd MUCH rather have a young prospect like that than Lopez, who doesn't rebound, doesn't defend at a high level and can't top 30 minutes a night anymore at 28 or 29. Russell still has a ton of room to grow over the next 3-4 years. Lopez probably won't even be in the league 3-4 years from now.

I can understand that trades are subjective, particularly right after they're made. But to make this seem one-sided in favor of the Lakers just seems totally asinine.

very underrated passer too...I love it for the Nets. I think there is no downside and all upside.

eDush
06-21-2017, 10:44 AM
Last trade deadline Nets asking price for Lopez was like two first round picks. Now they eat deadweight Mozgov and give up a first. Yeah they got Russell. How much capspace does the Nets have? Maybe they can help my Bucks and eat some more dead weight as in Henson, Delly, Telly.The fact that the Bucks gave away an unprotected Lakers pick for MCW and then signed Delly show their GM doesn't have a clue what they are doing. Moz can play if they take advantage of his strength which is playing above the rim being a shot blocker. His footwork needs work but he can work on that....didn't the Cavs gave up 3 first round picks to the Nuggets for him? :nod:

lakerfan85
06-21-2017, 10:54 AM
The fact that the Bucks gave away an unprotected Lakers pick for MCW and then signed Delly show their GM doesn't have a clue what they are doing. Moz can play if they take advantage of his strength which is playing above the rim being a shot blocker. His footwork needs work but he can work on that....didn't the Cavs gave up 3 first round picks to the Nuggets for him? :nod:

What are you talking about?

FOXHOUND
06-21-2017, 11:15 AM
You're not taking into consideration cap holds. The new CBA pretty much prevented 3 MAX players on any team. Unless all 3 are taking pay cuts...This isn't happening. (even if it did, they still lose to GS)

Ball, Nance Jr and Zubac is about $10M roughly. Factor in #27 and #28 that's another $3M Now cap holds for the remaining 7 roster spots...$5.7M.

They have roughly $83.3M in cap space here.

They wouldn't get an MLE because they would have started the year off under the cap. They'd only get a Room Exception for about $4M.

So you have.

LBJ (F)
George (F)
Cousins (C)
Ball (PG)
Nance Jr. (PF)
Zubac (C)
#27 from 2017
#28 from 2017
Room Exception player

You need about 6 vets to come "chase a ring" at the vet Min. Not sure how many top vets you're getting with this roster, but they're still going to lose to GS...And it only happens if the "big 3" take about $3M under the max EACH.

You're right, on this one I goofed on the cap holds!

Ball, Nance Jr, Zubac and picks #27 and #28 would be approximately $12,843,442. 5 cap holds, since obviously the others disappear as you use them on LeBron, George and Cousins, and that's $4,000,000. $16,843,442 against a cap of $102,000,000 = $85,156,558. LeBron, George and Cousins year 1 salary at 35% and 30% x2 adds up to $96,900,000, so yes their pay cut needs to be a little higher. In this scenario, do you think they mind forgoing $3,914,480.67 each, or on average if LeBron makes the others take it?

So they changed the rule on the MLE, huh? Well, even at the Room Exception of $4,328,000, that would still be enough to sell a ring chasing vet role player on when you're offering a starting job, IMO.

What you have there listed though is already your 9-man rotation with the bigs all sorted out. You don't want to rely too heavily on 2nd year picks from the late 1st round, but how many minutes do you really need from them?

Room Level Exception used on someone like Aaron Afflalo, Marco Belinelli or Wayne Ellington
#27 used on PG/SG Derrick White
#28 used on SG/SF Terrance Ferguson

LonBall [35] - White [13]
Room E [24] - George [10] - Ferguson [14]
George [30] - LeBron [18]
LeBron [22] - Nance Jr. [22] - Cousins [4]
Cousins [30] - Zubac [18]

LeBron [40]
George [40]
LonBall [35]
Cousins [34]
Room E [24]
Nance Jr. [22]
Zubac [18]
Ferguson [14]
White [13]

Really, you only need 1-3 of those legit vet min guys and they may not even have to play come postseason. You really just need them and #27/#28 to play more during the regular season to give LeBron and George some rest. I'm not saying that team beats Golden State, but I think it's a doable plan.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-21-2017, 11:20 AM
Lots of people arguing over who won this trade. I think both teams won.

Lakers moved an unbearable contract to help set them up better for 2018 FA, which obviously to them is more important than Russell and his development. They also got a late 1st. Lopez to them I'm sure is nothing but an expiring contract for a player who they will have no intentions of bringing back. I'm sure they're going to try to find similar deals using Deng over the next year.

Nets don't have any foreseeable future with the draft, and FA is very tough on them likely finding themselves having to overpay for anyone to play there. Taking on a bad contract for them is doable right now if it allows them to add a player with potential such as Russell. Lopez was likely to walk after this year and is extremely fragile anyhow. The late draft pick is what it is, a very late 1st rounder likely to end up being a player with minimal impact.

I see this as a decent deal for both teams in regards to their outlook in the next few years.

PurpleLynch
06-21-2017, 12:13 PM
Lots of people arguing over who won this trade. I think both teams won.

Lakers moved an unbearable contract to help set them up better for 2018 FA, which obviously to them is more important than Russell and his development. They also got a late 1st. Lopez to them I'm sure is nothing but an expiring contract for a player who they will have no intentions of bringing back. I'm sure they're going to try to find similar deals using Deng over the next year.

Nets don't have any foreseeable future with the draft, and FA is very tough on them likely finding themselves having to overpay for anyone to play there. Taking on a bad contract for them is doable right now if it allows them to add a player with potential such as Russell. Lopez was likely to walk after this year and is extremely fragile anyhow. The late draft pick is what it is, a very late 1st rounder likely to end up being a player with minimal impact.

I see this as a decent deal for both teams in regards to their outlook in the next few years.

This. Probably one of the most fair judgement, considering posts I've read before in this thread.

PurpleLynch
06-21-2017, 12:25 PM
The fact that the Bucks gave away an unprotected Lakers pick for MCW and then signed Delly show their GM doesn't have a clue what they are doing. Moz can play if they take advantage of his strength which is playing above the rim being a shot blocker. His footwork needs work but he can work on that....didn't the Cavs gave up 3 first round picks to the Nuggets for him? :nod:

Are you trolling lol?

His shot blocking ability is a myth created in two games of the Finals with the Cavs, he hasn't a real one, he just sometimes get blocks. Defense overall is pretty trash.
On offense is ok, if you don't expect more than 10-12 ppg from your center...when healthy obviously, played just two full regular seasons in his 11 years of career.
I don't hate the player, I just think he is no more than a bench player with a contract he doesn't deserve, that's why I'm glad we dumped him and why i don't understand why do you have this picture of him.

S & B Bleeder
06-21-2017, 12:51 PM
Great trade for the Lakers.


Having watched nearly every game since his arrival, I can say with legitimate honesty that D'Angelo Russell was HOT GARBAGE.

Some will talk about his potential to score, but those games were VERY few and far in between. The other 95% of the time he made bad decisions, couldn't dribble or finish a layup with his off hand (Seriously? A total joke) is just awful on defense with no signs of improvement, a bad work ethic and was a massive locker room cancer.

Add in that he has zero athleticisim and jumping ability, and its easy to see why he was traded.


Those of you who think he will be anything more than a serviceable/bench player haven't watched much of him. He is a very low IQ player.


Im shocked that Magic was able to get as much as he did for Russell.....especially after the numerous reports that many teams wouldn't even listen to a trade offer that involved him.

Lakers + Giants
06-21-2017, 01:23 PM
After reading some responses by Lakers fans, I'm honestly shocked that you guys are in love with this deal. It's essentially a salary dump in which the Lakers just gave up the No. 2 pick from two years ago, who might be their top current prospect. In what way is that a win?

Even if they turn around and trade for George, this still doesn't make a ton of sense. That team with George and Lopez won't be competitive in the West. They'll be lucky to crack .500. Meanwhile, they could have sucked one more year, got another high draft pick and probably STILL landed George. Instead they dumped Russell for an oft-injured aging center and a late round pick they probably won't even use. I just don't get it.

I'll admit this, the laker forum has been hating Dlo after the "snitch" incident, that played a huge role in our fanbase accepting the trade.

We also DON'T have our first pick next year. It's unprotected since we got our 1st this year. If it's the 1st pick 76ers get it, 2-5 Boston gets it, anything else 76ers get it. Lakers are trying to win some games to make that pick as bad as possible. Lopez alone helps with that plus they had to get rid of 1 of those 2 horrible contracts. Thei only way to do that was to give up a coveted young player.

This was done because the lakers want to go all in on PG + Lebron + Ingram. I'm not saying Im supporting this, I'm just telling you the purpose behind all of this which has even been reported by Woj.

I'm actually upset with the trade btw, definitely feel like we could've gotten more and think we gave up on Russell too soon.

eDush
06-21-2017, 01:29 PM
After reading some responses by Lakers fans, I'm honestly shocked that you guys are in love with this deal. It's essentially a salary dump in which the Lakers just gave up the No. 2 pick from two years ago, who might be their top current prospect. In what way is that a win?

Even if they turn around and trade for George, this still doesn't make a ton of sense. That team with George and Lopez won't be competitive in the West. They'll be lucky to crack .500. Meanwhile, they could have sucked one more year, got another high draft pick and probably STILL landed George. Instead they dumped Russell for an oft-injured aging center and a late round pick they probably won't even use. I just don't get it.

I'll admit this, the laker forum has been hating Dlo after the "snitch" incident, that played a huge role in our fanbase accepting the trade.

We also DON'T have our first pick next year. It's unprotected since we got our 1st this year. If it's the 1st pick 76ers get it, 2-5 Boston gets it, anything else 76ers get it. Lakers are trying to win some games to make that pick as bad as possible. Lopez alone helps with that plus they had to get rid of 1 of those 2 horrible contracts. Thei only way to do that was to give up a coveted young player.

This was done because the lakers want to go all in on PG + Lebron + Ingram. I'm not saying Im supporting this, I'm just telling you the purpose behind all of this which has even been reported by Woj.

I'm actually upset with the trade btw, definitely feel like we could've gotten more and think we gave up on Russell too soon.I agree on the snitch part which was one of the main reason why the hot Azalea broke up with Nick. Once you 'snitch', you can never be trusted as a teammate again and need to move on :(

TheMightyHumph
06-21-2017, 03:01 PM
This. Probably one of the most fair judgement, considering posts I've read before in this thread.

Lakers wanted Russell and Mozgov gone. Nets did not have to give up the 27th pick.