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valade16
06-19-2017, 11:42 AM
Every year Posters from PSD come together and do a secret auction of all players throughout NBA history attempting to make the best team and win the PSD All-Time Auction Championship! The teams have been seeded and are now in the playoffs. Please look over the teams and vote based on which team you think would win in a 7 game playoff series.

Ordinary Mr. Fox has the higher seed and will have home court advantage in the series.

Ordinary Mr. Fox:

PG: Maurice Cheeks [18] | Tiny Archibald [30]
SG: Jimmy Butler [35] | Doug Christie [13]
SF/PF: Andrei Kirilenko [32] | Bruce Bowen [20]
SF/PF: Carmelo Anthony [32] | Buck Williams [12]
LC: Hakeem Olajuwon [40] | Vlade Divac [8]

vs.

Free Beer and the Five O'clock Clubhouse:

PG: Kevin Johnson 38 | Sam Cassell 6 | Baron Davis 4
SG: Vince Carter 36 | Baron Davis 6 | Sam Cassell 6
SF: Julius Erving 36 | Vince Carter 4 | Bob Love 8
PF: Shawn Kemp 30 | Dan Issel 14 | Bob Love 4
C: Anthony Davis 36 | Shawn Kemp 6 | Manute Bol 2 | Dan Issel 4

GREATNESS ONE
06-19-2017, 12:48 PM
Lol as much as I love free beer. I don't see AD even touching Hakeem. This round is going to Fox.

KnicksorBust
06-19-2017, 02:26 PM
I think we can all appreciate what the KJ/VC/Dr. J/Kemp/AD team is trying to do. Run run run. They definitely have the athletes but they don't have any defense. They would give up 120 trying to score 110. Give me the Dream and company.

GREATNESS ONE
06-19-2017, 02:29 PM
Yea definitely a tough match up for FreeBeer.

KnicksorBust
06-19-2017, 02:46 PM
Benches are an absolute landslide for OMF as well.

Ebbs
06-19-2017, 03:31 PM
I had the ultra athletes way higher in my rankings, too much athleticism.

Dunkapolooza
06-19-2017, 08:36 PM
I feel like melo would retire in the middle of this game trying to guard a real power forward lol. Even if they were up 20.

Ak vs Dr j? Eh... Quickness looks like an issue. Hakeem will need to block 10 shots a game. Lol and sure Hakeem is gonna score at will, I don't think chasing ad around and stepping out to guard him will be fun either.

That's a lot of pressure on both ends of the floor for fox best players. So I feel like it's closer then that ad Hakeem matchup looks. I don't see a lot of studs over there for fox either. Like three or four guys who can really take over a game. Free beer is all studs starting.

GREATNESS ONE
06-19-2017, 08:42 PM
Lololol WHAT!?!?! Did you watch Hakeem?!?!?!? He was like AD on Steriods and post game beautiful footwork. That's a landslide mismatch.

GREATNESS ONE
06-19-2017, 08:43 PM
Ya'll ****ing CRAZY if you think AD can guard Hakeem.

GREATNESS ONE
06-19-2017, 08:44 PM
I wish that Hakeem had better shooters around him. That defense is absolutely fantastic but the 3 point shooting will come back to haunt them at some point.

Not this round :)

Raps18-19 Champ
06-19-2017, 08:45 PM
I wish that Hakeem had better shooters around him. That defense is absolutely fantastic but the 3 point shooting will come back to haunt them at some point.

FOXHOUND
06-19-2017, 10:02 PM
876922871150370816

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Shout out to Wade for the tweets. :laugh2:

Jimmy Butler is also a sneaky good 3 point shooter from the corner, shooting .446 from there over the past 4 seasons. In my half court offense, Butler would be lined up on the weak side corner whenever Hakeem or Melo is posting up.

Melo is an elite catch and shoot player. In 2013-14, as far back as NBA.com goes, Melo ranked 7th in the NBA in 3P% on catch and shoot 3's among players who took at least 3 a game with 43.6% on 3.4 attempts. Even this year, Melo shot 42.6% on 3.5 catch and shoot 3 point attempts per game. That was a tick better than Kevin Durant, who shot 42.5% on 3.4 attempts. In 2012-14, his prime which I am using of course, Melo shot .391 from 3 overall while hitting 2.3s a game.

Mo Cheeks and Tiny Archibald were very good mid-range shooters, which is part of how they maintained such a high FG%. Especially Tiny, who shot .487 from the field on 23.2 FGA per game during his peak and before his first achilles injury. That is obviously the Tiny I am using lol.

Bruce Bowen was an excellent 3 point shooter and Doug Christie was also very good from 3. Buck Williams had a good mid-range shot, as well. Other than AK47, everyone in my lineup can shoot well from their spots, even Vlade. Butler is the most limited of that group, but when he isn't in the corner he is going to be sharing ball handling duties where he can pass and get to the FT line.

That is another area where my offensive players excel - FTA and foul drawing. Even AK47, who couldn't shoot well, did an excellent job of catching and driving when given space to get to the FT line with his athleticism. From 2004-06, he averaged 6.6 FTA vs 11.1 FGA, an astounding FT attempt rate of 60%. The last three seasons for Butler, he has averaged 7.8 FTA vs 15.4 FGA, a FT attempt rate of 50%. Tiny averaged 10.3 FTA vs 23.2 FGA at his peak and had a FT attempt rate of .456 for his career. You know that Hakeem and Melo are getting to the line at a good rate. Even Mo Cheeks at his best was getting 4.2 FTA vs 11.3 FGA, a FT attempt rate of 37%.

I don't think spacing is an issue for my team but my team also isn't going to rely on spacing. My key offensive players excel at driving to the rim and passing. Cheeks and Archibald were excellent passing PGs, Butler has averaged 5.2 assists the last two seasons, Hakeem is Hakeem and yes, even Melo can pass the ball. Melo dished 4.2 assists per game last year despite not being surrounded by much. AK at his best was averaging 4 APG and averaged 3.5 over a 5 year stretch despite not handling the ball much.

The ball would be moving and players would be attacking or spotting up, whichever suits their strength in that spot. I understand that Melo has a stigma and people probably think that he couldn't play in a ball movement heavy system just because he goes ISO a lot. Let me put that idea to rest. Over the last three seasons, the Knicks have ranked 3rd, 2nd and 2nd in the NBA in passes made per game. They have also done this despite ranking 17th, 26th and 28th in pace. The ball moves a ton on the Knicks, the talent just sucks so you aren't seeing a great result in assists and scoring lol. :(

Of course, the main cog of the offense is going to be the ball finding Hakeem plenty. Another reason why spacing is not an issue is because Hakeem doesn't need a lot of space. Hakeem and Melo will be isolated on the strong side, and as mentioned Butler well be in the weak side corner. The other two can hang on the opposite 3 point elbow and near the top of the key. Melo's best shooting spot is the 3 point elbow, and playing PF means the opposing PF will be drawn away from the hoop. With the C keyed on Hakeem, the PF will have to choose to help on Hakeem or avoid allowing easy passes from Hakeem to Melo for open 3s - again, which he nails. Hakeem does not need a lot of time to operate, this is easy for Hakeem. This is what the 94-95 Rockets did with Robert Horry, Melo is just a far deadlier scorer, sniper and general offensive player.

In this particular matchup, Hakeem is cruising. This is someone who put up 35 PPG on 56% in a series on David Robinson in his MVP season. He also held him to 23.8 PPG on 45% with 4.5 TO per game, far worse than the 27.6 PPG on 53% and 2.9 TO he put up that season. Robinson was extremely athletic and also had an excellent mid-range jumper. This did not matter for Hakeem, because he is Hakeem.

Defensively, the team largely speaks for itself. Cheeks, AK and Bowen are All-Defensive 1st team players, Butler, Christie and Buck are All-Defensive 2nd team players and Hakeem is one of the greatest defensive players of all-time anchoring it in the middle. There is plenty of defenders to cover for Tiny and Melo on the court at all times.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-19-2017, 10:09 PM
What the hell are you talking about?

FOXHOUND
06-19-2017, 10:14 PM
What the hell are you talking about?

Basketball?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWeII9xkTnw

KnicksorBust
06-20-2017, 05:27 AM
876922871150370816

876810390340087808

Shout out to Wade for the tweets. :laugh2:

Jimmy Butler is also a sneaky good 3 point shooter from the corner, shooting .446 from there over the past 4 seasons. In my half court offense, Butler would be lined up on the weak side corner whenever Hakeem or Melo is posting up.

Melo is an elite catch and shoot player. In 2013-14, as far back as NBA.com goes, Melo ranked 7th in the NBA in 3P% on catch and shoot 3's among players who took at least 3 a game with 43.6% on 3.4 attempts. Even this year, Melo shot 42.6% on 3.5 catch and shoot 3 point attempts per game. That was a tick better than Kevin Durant, who shot 42.5% on 3.4 attempts. In 2012-14, his prime which I am using of course, Melo shot .391 from 3 overall while hitting 2.3s a game.

Mo Cheeks and Tiny Archibald were very good mid-range shooters, which is part of how they maintained such a high FG%. Especially Tiny, who shot .487 from the field on 23.2 FGA per game during his peak and before his first achilles injury. That is obviously the Tiny I am using lol.

Bruce Bowen was an excellent 3 point shooter and Doug Christie was also very good from 3. Buck Williams had a good mid-range shot, as well. Other than AK47, everyone in my lineup can shoot well from their spots, even Vlade. Butler is the most limited of that group, but when he isn't in the corner he is going to be sharing ball handling duties where he can pass and get to the FT line.

That is another area where my offensive players excel - FTA and foul drawing. Even AK47, who couldn't shoot well, did an excellent job of catching and driving when given space to get to the FT line with his athleticism. From 2004-06, he averaged 6.6 FTA vs 11.1 FGA, an astounding FT attempt rate of 60%. The last three seasons for Butler, he has averaged 7.8 FTA vs 15.4 FGA, a FT attempt rate of 50%. Tiny averaged 10.3 FTA vs 23.2 FGA at his peak and had a FT attempt rate of .456 for his career. You know that Hakeem and Melo are getting to the line at a good rate. Even Mo Cheeks at his best was getting 4.2 FTA vs 11.3 FGA, a FT attempt rate of 37%.

I don't think spacing is an issue for my team but my team also isn't going to rely on spacing. My key offensive players excel at driving to the rim and passing. Cheeks and Archibald were excellent passing PGs, Butler has averaged 5.2 assists the last two seasons, Hakeem is Hakeem and yes, even Melo can pass the ball. Melo dished 4.2 assists per game last year despite not being surrounded by much. AK at his best was averaging 4 APG and averaged 3.5 over a 5 year stretch despite not handling the ball much.

The ball would be moving and players would be attacking or spotting up, whichever suits their strength in that spot. I understand that Melo has a stigma and people probably think that he couldn't play in a ball movement heavy system just because he goes ISO a lot. Let me put that idea to rest. Over the last three seasons, the Knicks have ranked 3rd, 2nd and 2nd in the NBA in passes made per game. They have also done this despite ranking 17th, 26th and 28th in pace. The ball moves a ton on the Knicks, the talent just sucks so you aren't seeing a great result in assists and scoring lol. :(

Of course, the main cog of the offense is going to be the ball finding Hakeem plenty. Another reason why spacing is not an issue is because Hakeem doesn't need a lot of space. Hakeem and Melo will be isolated on the strong side, and as mentioned Butler well be in the weak side corner. The other two can hang on the opposite 3 point elbow and near the top of the key. Melo's best shooting spot is the 3 point elbow, and playing PF means the opposing PF will be drawn away from the hoop. With the C keyed on Hakeem, the PF will have to choose to help on Hakeem or avoid allowing easy passes from Hakeem to Melo for open 3s - again, which he nails. Hakeem does not need a lot of time to operate, this is easy for Hakeem. This is what the 94-95 Rockets did with Robert Horry, Melo is just a far deadlier scorer, sniper and general offensive player.

In this particular matchup, Hakeem is cruising. This is someone who put up 35 PPG on 56% in a series on David Robinson in his MVP season. He also held him to 23.8 PPG on 45% with 4.5 TO per game, far worse than the 27.6 PPG on 53% and 2.9 TO he put up that season. Robinson was extremely athletic and also had an excellent mid-range jumper. This did not matter for Hakeem, because he is Hakeem.

Defensively, the team largely speaks for itself. Cheeks, AK and Bowen are All-Defensive 1st team players, Butler, Christie and Buck are All-Defensive 2nd team players and Hakeem is one of the greatest defensive players of all-time anchoring it in the middle. There is plenty of defenders to cover for Tiny and Melo on the court at all times.

You already had my vote but nice write-up. I liked the Butler stuff. You made him seem like a more deadly floor spacer than anyone would give him credit for on his own.

Greet
06-20-2017, 03:33 PM
Here's my issue with Mr. Fox, I just don't know how they match up defensively with the big thing being Carmelo playing serious minutes at the 4.

AK great defender, probably not good enough against Dr. J in his prime... Butler great defender, not sure how he would fair against VC in his prime.

FOXHOUND
06-20-2017, 04:25 PM
Here's my issue with Mr. Fox, I just don't know how they match up defensively with the big thing being Carmelo playing serious minutes at the 4.

AK great defender, probably not good enough against Dr. J in his prime... Butler great defender, not sure how he would fair against VC in his prime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-MndjzRi_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyam1FrldMk

In that 2015 series overall, Butler held LeBron to 26.2 PTS on .399/.102/.807 shooting and 4.5 TO a game in 6 games. He shot 3-28 from 3, 4.6 3PA, and 32-40 from the line, 6.6 FTA per game.

Since 2014, Butler and Harden have played each other 6 times. In those 6 games, Butler has held Harden to 22.3 PTS on .378/.355/.850 shooting on 18.5 FGA, 7.7 3PA and 6.6 FTA per game. He has also held him to just 3.8 REB and helped limit him to 6.5 AST vs 4.6 TO. Over this time overall, Harden's averages have been 27.8 PTS on .443/.360/.860 with 7.7 3PA and 10.1 FTA, 8.0 AST, 6.2 REB and 4.5 TO.

Not only that, but he has shut down Harden while performing himself. In those games, Butler is averaging 20.1 PTS on .493/.500/.891 on 13.5 FGA, 2.6 3PA and 6.1 FTA per game, 6.1 REB, 3.8 AST and just 1.8 TO with 1.6 STL.

Butler is a premier lock down defender in the NBA, having the size, athleticism and strength to battle against stars that few have to match.

I like AK's length to help disrupt Dr. J and his IQ to funnel him towards Hakeem on drives. Between AK and Bowen and Hakeem at the rim, I like my odds to slow him down at least. Would definitely game plan to sag off him and force him to shoot jumpers as much as possible.

For Melo, against a more skilled PF I think he would have more problems. Kemp wasn't a huge threat to score, averaging 20 PPG just once in his career and barely at that. On the flip side, Kemp isn't defending Melo and Melo is a far better scorer. If his offense is running through Kemp more than Dr. J or Carter, I'll also gladly take that trade off. He also has the help defense of Hakeem and AK to back him up, with their 6+ blocks per game. Kemp is not keeping up scoring with Hakeem dominating no matter who is defending him.

Capnwalnuts42
06-20-2017, 06:02 PM
There is no doubt that Hakeem would win the matchup against Davis. What he will not win, however, is the constant double teams he's going to draw, and without significant 3pt shooting on the perimeter there will be no price to pay for the aggressive defense. The sheer athleticism of Free Beer will allow them to rotate and fill efficiently. Help defense will be the name of the game down low. Let's not not forget that Free Beer also is employing 3 guys at the 4 and 5 that all have at least one All Defense team appearance. The last thing I'd like to add is considering the relentless attacking of the rim that will occur with the Free Beer offense, and the fact that Melo won't be involved in attempting to defend the rim, that leaves Hakeem as the only big protecting the rim. If he plans on doing that aggressively, there is no way he doesn't get into early foul trouble. Now, all of a sudden Mr. Fox doesn't seem nearly as intimidating with Hakeem only playing 28 minutes, and Vlade Divac trying to run the floor with Davis and Kemp...

Capnwalnuts42
06-20-2017, 06:06 PM
Free Beer and the Five O'Clock Clubhouse


Active Roster

Point Guard
Shooting Guard
Small Forward

Kevin Johnson (https://youtu.be/Q0CFhahCzF8)
Vince Carter (https://youtu.be/my_xHdowTiE)
Julius Erving (https://youtu.be/HAqpkjFPbVY)

Sam Cassell (https://youtu.be/7OF1-FHsdJM)
Baron Davis (https://youtu.be/k9NUCr38ykE)
Bob Love (https://youtu.be/u_tEpkj7U28)


Power Forward
Center

Shawn Kemp (https://youtu.be/HQeMhYJe5JA)
Anthony Davis (https://youtu.be/9Wugn9fgqsA)

Dan Issel (https://youtu.be/v6uj3PtEaS8)
Manute Bol (https://youtu.be/hePuvt8REqE)


Salaries
Minutes

Julius Erving $69.96
Julius Erving 36

Anthony Davis $38.99
Vince Carter 40

Vince Carter $45.16
Kevin Johnson 38

Shawn Kemp $18.69
Anthony Davis 36

Kevin Johnson $11.20
Shawn Kemp 36

Dan Issel $3.15
Bob Love 12

Sam Cassell $3.16
Dan Issel 18

Baron Davis $3.12
Manute Bol 2

Manute Bol $3.00
Sam Cassell 12

Bob Love $3.00
Baron Davis 10
Salary Remaining: $0.57


Player 3 Year Peak Stats and Accolades
Julius Erving (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ervinju01.html): (6'7", 210lbs) HOF/16x All Star/1x NBA Champ/7x All NBA/4x MVP/2x AS MVP
(79/80-81/82) 25.3 pts/7.4 reb/4.3 ast/2.1 stl/1.8 blk/.528 fg%/.224 3p%/.779 ft%/35.2mpg/13.2 wsa/25.4 per/6.2 vorp
Vince Carter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cartevi01.html): (6'6", 220lbs) 8x All Star/2x All NBA/98-99 ROY
(99/00-01/02) 26.1 pts/5.6 reb/3.9 ast/1.5 stl/1.0 blk/.453 fg%/.400 3p%/.783 ft%/39.1 mpg/10.6 wsa/23.1 per/5.2 vorp
Anthony Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisan02.html): (6'10", 253lbs) 4x All Star/2x All NBA/1x All Defense/1x AS MVP
(14/15-16/17) 25.7 pts/10.8 reb/2.1 ast/1.3 stl/2.4 blk/.511 fg%/.299 3p%/.791 ft%/35.9 mpg/10.8 wsa/27.9 per/4.0 vorp
Shawn Kemp (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kempsh01.html): (6'10", 230lbs) 6x All Star/3x All NBA
(93/94-95/96) 18.8 pts/11.0 reb/2.2 ast/1.4 stl/1.7 blk/.549 fg%/.348 3p%/.744 ft%/32.9 mpg/11.2 wsa/22.4 per/4.3 vorp
Kevin Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske02.html): (6'1", 180lbs) 3x All Star/5x All NBA/88-89 MIP/Mayor of Sacremento
(88/89-90/91) 21.7 pts/3.8 reb/11.3 ast/1.7 stl/0.2 blk/.507 fg%/.178 3p%/.854 ft%/37.6 mpg/12.2 wsa/22.2 per/4.5 vorp
Sam Cassell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cassesa01.html): (6'3", 185lbs) 1x All Star/3x NBA Champ/1x All NBA
(01/02-03/04) 19.7 pts/4 reb/6.6 ast/1.2 stl/0.2 blk/.474 fg%/.369 3p%/.864 ft%/34.9 mpg/10.1 wsa/22.2 per/3.5 vorp
Dan Issel (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/isselda01.html): (6'9", 235lbs) HOF/7x All Star/70-71 ROY/AS MVP
(76/77-78/79) 20.2 pts/9.4 reb/3.0 ast/1.0 stl/0.5 blk/.514 fg%/NA 3p%/.780 ft%/33.5 mpg/10.6 wsa/20.3 per/3.6 vorp
Baron Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisba01.html): (6'3", 209lbs) 2x All Star/1x All NBA
(01/02-03/04) 19.5 pts/4.1 reb/7.6 ast/2.1 stl/0.5 blk/.408 fg%/.340 3p%/.641 ft%/39.7 mpg/6.7 wsa/18.7 per/4.2 vorp
Bob Love (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lovebo01.html): (6'8", 215lbs) 3x All Star/2x All NBA/3x All Defense
(70/71-72/73) 24.7 pts/7.2 reb/1.8 ast/NA stl/NA blk/.440 fg%/NA 3p%/.813 ft%/39.8 mpg/7.9 wsa/16.7 per/NA vorp
Manute Bol (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolma01.html): (7'7", 200lbs) 1x All Defense
(85/86-87/88) 3 pts/4.7 reb/0.2 ast/0.2 stl/3.8 blk/.454 fg%/NA 3p%/.559 ft%/20 mpg/2.8 wsa/11 per/1 vorp

Bold indicates a league leading stat during 3 year peak


Depth Chart and Minute Distribution
Point Guard
Kevin Johnson: 38
Sam Cassell: 6
Baron Davis: 4

Shooting Guard
Vince Carter: 36
Baron Davis: 6
Sam Cassell: 6

Small Forward
Julius Erving: 36
Vince Carter: 4
Bob Love: 8

Power Forward
Shawn Kemp: 30
Dan Issel: 14
Bob Love: 4

Center
Anthony Davis: 36
Shawn Kemp: 6
Manute Bol: 2
Dan Issel: 4

KnicksorBust
06-20-2017, 06:46 PM
Free Beer and the Five O'Clock Clubhouse


Active Roster

Point Guard
Shooting Guard
Small Forward

Kevin Johnson (https://youtu.be/Q0CFhahCzF8)
Vince Carter (https://youtu.be/my_xHdowTiE)
Julius Erving (https://youtu.be/HAqpkjFPbVY)

Sam Cassell (https://youtu.be/7OF1-FHsdJM)
Baron Davis (https://youtu.be/k9NUCr38ykE)
Bob Love (https://youtu.be/u_tEpkj7U28)


Power Forward
Center

Shawn Kemp (https://youtu.be/HQeMhYJe5JA)
Anthony Davis (https://youtu.be/9Wugn9fgqsA)

Dan Issel (https://youtu.be/v6uj3PtEaS8)
Manute Bol (https://youtu.be/hePuvt8REqE)


Salaries
Minutes

Julius Erving $69.96
Julius Erving 36

Anthony Davis $38.99
Vince Carter 40

Vince Carter $45.16
Kevin Johnson 38

Shawn Kemp $18.69
Anthony Davis 36

Kevin Johnson $11.20
Shawn Kemp 36

Dan Issel $3.15
Bob Love 12

Sam Cassell $3.16
Dan Issel 18

Baron Davis $3.12
Manute Bol 2

Manute Bol $3.00
Sam Cassell 12

Bob Love $3.00
Baron Davis 10
Salary Remaining: $0.57


Player 3 Year Peak Stats and Accolades
Julius Erving (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ervinju01.html): (6'7", 210lbs) HOF/16x All Star/1x NBA Champ/7x All NBA/4x MVP/2x AS MVP
(79/80-81/82) 25.3 pts/7.4 reb/4.3 ast/2.1 stl/1.8 blk/.528 fg%/.224 3p%/.779 ft%/35.2mpg/13.2 wsa/25.4 per/6.2 vorp
Vince Carter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cartevi01.html): (6'6", 220lbs) 8x All Star/2x All NBA/98-99 ROY
(99/00-01/02) 26.1 pts/5.6 reb/3.9 ast/1.5 stl/1.0 blk/.453 fg%/.400 3p%/.783 ft%/39.1 mpg/10.6 wsa/23.1 per/5.2 vorp
Anthony Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisan02.html): (6'10", 253lbs) 4x All Star/2x All NBA/1x All Defense/1x AS MVP
(14/15-16/17) 25.7 pts/10.8 reb/2.1 ast/1.3 stl/2.4 blk/.511 fg%/.299 3p%/.791 ft%/35.9 mpg/10.8 wsa/27.9 per/4.0 vorp
Shawn Kemp (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kempsh01.html): (6'10", 230lbs) 6x All Star/3x All NBA
(93/94-95/96) 18.8 pts/11.0 reb/2.2 ast/1.4 stl/1.7 blk/.549 fg%/.348 3p%/.744 ft%/32.9 mpg/11.2 wsa/22.4 per/4.3 vorp
Kevin Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske02.html): (6'1", 180lbs) 3x All Star/5x All NBA/88-89 MIP/Mayor of Sacremento
(88/89-90/91) 21.7 pts/3.8 reb/11.3 ast/1.7 stl/0.2 blk/.507 fg%/.178 3p%/.854 ft%/37.6 mpg/12.2 wsa/22.2 per/4.5 vorp
Sam Cassell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cassesa01.html): (6'3", 185lbs) 1x All Star/3x NBA Champ/1x All NBA
(01/02-03/04) 19.7 pts/4 reb/6.6 ast/1.2 stl/0.2 blk/.474 fg%/.369 3p%/.864 ft%/34.9 mpg/10.1 wsa/22.2 per/3.5 vorp
Dan Issel (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/isselda01.html): (6'9", 235lbs) HOF/7x All Star/70-71 ROY/AS MVP
(76/77-78/79) 20.2 pts/9.4 reb/3.0 ast/1.0 stl/0.5 blk/.514 fg%/NA 3p%/.780 ft%/33.5 mpg/10.6 wsa/20.3 per/3.6 vorp
Baron Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisba01.html): (6'3", 209lbs) 2x All Star/1x All NBA
(01/02-03/04) 19.5 pts/4.1 reb/7.6 ast/2.1 stl/0.5 blk/.408 fg%/.340 3p%/.641 ft%/39.7 mpg/6.7 wsa/18.7 per/4.2 vorp
Bob Love (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lovebo01.html): (6'8", 215lbs) 3x All Star/2x All NBA/3x All Defense
(70/71-72/73) 24.7 pts/7.2 reb/1.8 ast/NA stl/NA blk/.440 fg%/NA 3p%/.813 ft%/39.8 mpg/7.9 wsa/16.7 per/NA vorp
Manute Bol (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolma01.html): (7'7", 200lbs) 1x All Defense
(85/86-87/88) 3 pts/4.7 reb/0.2 ast/0.2 stl/3.8 blk/.454 fg%/NA 3p%/.559 ft%/20 mpg/2.8 wsa/11 per/1 vorp

Bold indicates a league leading stat during 3 year peak


Depth Chart and Minute Distribution
Point Guard
Kevin Johnson: 38
Sam Cassell: 6
Baron Davis: 4

Shooting Guard
Vince Carter: 36
Baron Davis: 6
Sam Cassell: 6

Small Forward
Julius Erving: 36
Vince Carter: 4
Bob Love: 8

Power Forward
Shawn Kemp: 30
Dan Issel: 14
Bob Love: 4

Center
Anthony Davis: 36
Shawn Kemp: 6
Manute Bol: 2
Dan Issel: 4

If only I had seen this before. ...

GREATNESS ONE
06-20-2017, 09:09 PM
Free Beer and the Five O'Clock Clubhouse


Active Roster

Point Guard
Shooting Guard
Small Forward

Kevin Johnson (https://youtu.be/Q0CFhahCzF8)
Vince Carter (https://youtu.be/my_xHdowTiE)
Julius Erving (https://youtu.be/HAqpkjFPbVY)

Sam Cassell (https://youtu.be/7OF1-FHsdJM)
Baron Davis (https://youtu.be/k9NUCr38ykE)
Bob Love (https://youtu.be/u_tEpkj7U28)


Power Forward
Center

Shawn Kemp (https://youtu.be/HQeMhYJe5JA)
Anthony Davis (https://youtu.be/9Wugn9fgqsA)

Dan Issel (https://youtu.be/v6uj3PtEaS8)
Manute Bol (https://youtu.be/hePuvt8REqE)


Salaries
Minutes

Julius Erving $69.96
Julius Erving 36

Anthony Davis $38.99
Vince Carter 40

Vince Carter $45.16
Kevin Johnson 38

Shawn Kemp $18.69
Anthony Davis 36

Kevin Johnson $11.20
Shawn Kemp 36

Dan Issel $3.15
Bob Love 12

Sam Cassell $3.16
Dan Issel 18

Baron Davis $3.12
Manute Bol 2

Manute Bol $3.00
Sam Cassell 12

Bob Love $3.00
Baron Davis 10
Salary Remaining: $0.57


Player 3 Year Peak Stats and Accolades
Julius Erving (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ervinju01.html): (6'7", 210lbs) HOF/16x All Star/1x NBA Champ/7x All NBA/4x MVP/2x AS MVP
(79/80-81/82) 25.3 pts/7.4 reb/4.3 ast/2.1 stl/1.8 blk/.528 fg%/.224 3p%/.779 ft%/35.2mpg/13.2 wsa/25.4 per/6.2 vorp
Vince Carter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cartevi01.html): (6'6", 220lbs) 8x All Star/2x All NBA/98-99 ROY
(99/00-01/02) 26.1 pts/5.6 reb/3.9 ast/1.5 stl/1.0 blk/.453 fg%/.400 3p%/.783 ft%/39.1 mpg/10.6 wsa/23.1 per/5.2 vorp
Anthony Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisan02.html): (6'10", 253lbs) 4x All Star/2x All NBA/1x All Defense/1x AS MVP
(14/15-16/17) 25.7 pts/10.8 reb/2.1 ast/1.3 stl/2.4 blk/.511 fg%/.299 3p%/.791 ft%/35.9 mpg/10.8 wsa/27.9 per/4.0 vorp
Shawn Kemp (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kempsh01.html): (6'10", 230lbs) 6x All Star/3x All NBA
(93/94-95/96) 18.8 pts/11.0 reb/2.2 ast/1.4 stl/1.7 blk/.549 fg%/.348 3p%/.744 ft%/32.9 mpg/11.2 wsa/22.4 per/4.3 vorp
Kevin Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske02.html): (6'1", 180lbs) 3x All Star/5x All NBA/88-89 MIP/Mayor of Sacremento
(88/89-90/91) 21.7 pts/3.8 reb/11.3 ast/1.7 stl/0.2 blk/.507 fg%/.178 3p%/.854 ft%/37.6 mpg/12.2 wsa/22.2 per/4.5 vorp
Sam Cassell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cassesa01.html): (6'3", 185lbs) 1x All Star/3x NBA Champ/1x All NBA
(01/02-03/04) 19.7 pts/4 reb/6.6 ast/1.2 stl/0.2 blk/.474 fg%/.369 3p%/.864 ft%/34.9 mpg/10.1 wsa/22.2 per/3.5 vorp
Dan Issel (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/isselda01.html): (6'9", 235lbs) HOF/7x All Star/70-71 ROY/AS MVP
(76/77-78/79) 20.2 pts/9.4 reb/3.0 ast/1.0 stl/0.5 blk/.514 fg%/NA 3p%/.780 ft%/33.5 mpg/10.6 wsa/20.3 per/3.6 vorp
Baron Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisba01.html): (6'3", 209lbs) 2x All Star/1x All NBA
(01/02-03/04) 19.5 pts/4.1 reb/7.6 ast/2.1 stl/0.5 blk/.408 fg%/.340 3p%/.641 ft%/39.7 mpg/6.7 wsa/18.7 per/4.2 vorp
Bob Love (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lovebo01.html): (6'8", 215lbs) 3x All Star/2x All NBA/3x All Defense
(70/71-72/73) 24.7 pts/7.2 reb/1.8 ast/NA stl/NA blk/.440 fg%/NA 3p%/.813 ft%/39.8 mpg/7.9 wsa/16.7 per/NA vorp
Manute Bol (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolma01.html): (7'7", 200lbs) 1x All Defense
(85/86-87/88) 3 pts/4.7 reb/0.2 ast/0.2 stl/3.8 blk/.454 fg%/NA 3p%/.559 ft%/20 mpg/2.8 wsa/11 per/1 vorp

Bold indicates a league leading stat during 3 year peak


Depth Chart and Minute Distribution
Point Guard
Kevin Johnson: 38
Sam Cassell: 6
Baron Davis: 4

Shooting Guard
Vince Carter: 36
Baron Davis: 6
Sam Cassell: 6

Small Forward
Julius Erving: 36
Vince Carter: 4
Bob Love: 8

Power Forward
Shawn Kemp: 30
Dan Issel: 14
Bob Love: 4

Center
Anthony Davis: 36
Shawn Kemp: 6
Manute Bol: 2
Dan Issel: 4

Awesome write up

Capnwalnuts42
06-20-2017, 11:36 PM
If only I had seen this before. ...

Yea, sorry bout posting my write up so late. I've been super busy the last couple of days...

Capnwalnuts42
06-20-2017, 11:44 PM
Thanks, just wish I would have posted it earlier. Could have swung some more votes...

Dunkapolooza
06-21-2017, 04:04 AM
Honestly Hakeem is the best rim protector no doubt. But is he better defending against KJ, Carter, kemp and Dr j then Davis is at stopping Andrei, cheeks, melo, and Butler at the worst?

I don't think so. So really free beer's rim looks almost safer to me. Crazy as that sounds.

FOXHOUND
06-21-2017, 11:57 AM
There is no doubt that Hakeem would win the matchup against Davis. What he will not win, however, is the constant double teams he's going to draw, and without significant 3pt shooting on the perimeter there will be no price to pay for the aggressive defense. The sheer athleticism of Free Beer will allow them to rotate and fill efficiently. Help defense will be the name of the game down low. Let's not not forget that Free Beer also is employing 3 guys at the 4 and 5 that all have at least one All Defense team appearance. The last thing I'd like to add is considering the relentless attacking of the rim that will occur with the Free Beer offense, and the fact that Melo won't be involved in attempting to defend the rim, that leaves Hakeem as the only big protecting the rim. If he plans on doing that aggressively, there is no way he doesn't get into early foul trouble. Now, all of a sudden Mr. Fox doesn't seem nearly as intimidating with Hakeem only playing 28 minutes, and Vlade Divac trying to run the floor with Davis and Kemp...

What good is athleticism when you have average defenders though? Hakeem and Melo will be the only players on their side of the court, are they going to come and double from the weak side when Hakeem needs just seconds to go to work? What is the issue with my 3 point shooting when I have Melo, Bowen, Christie and even Butler, who as mentioned snipes from the corner and on spot up shooting? Butler even shot 40.2% from 3 this year on catch and shoot attempts.

3-year peak - 3 point shooting
Melo 12-14, 2.0-5.2 from 3 (.380), as mentioned elite catch and shoot 3 point shooter
Bowen 03-05, 1.1-2.8 from 3 (.403), .419 from the corner where 83% of his 3PA came from
Christie 01-03, 1.1-2.9 from 3 (.372), .389 from the corner where 34% of his 3PA came from
Butler 15-17, 1.1-3.5 from 3 (.353), .455 from the corner where 19% of his 3PA came from

I'm not too worried about Kevin Johnson or Vince Carter's help defense, tbh, and if Carter wants to leave Butler open in the corner I'm cool with that. Dr. J is a good defensive playmaker but AK is going to be all the way on the opposite wing, way too far for him to come over and help on Hakeem from.

Anthony Davis was failing enough as a C in today's NBA that they traded for Cousins to push him back to his natural position of PF. Guys like David Robinson and Dikembe Mutombo at their peak couldn't handle Hakeem, let alone Davis. The only one getting in foul trouble is him.

And speaking of 3 point shooting - where is yours? Other than Carter, who will have Butler on him, you don't have a single strong 3 point shooting threat on your roster. Boom Dizzle is a solid high volume shooter from 3 but his 12 minutes aren't much of a factor. What is keeping my 1st team All-Defensive wings from sagging and forcing your team to shoot jumpers, exactly? Butler and Christie will stay at home on your SG's, other than that I'm not worried about giving space to any of your shooters.

It's also not on Melo to help defend the rim either. Melo's job at PF on D is to play post D, which he's actually good at, and to box out. That's where AK47's incredible help D comes in with the 3.0 blocks and 1.7 steals he averaged over his 3-year peak of 04-06. That's what AK47 is there to do. :) There isn't a shooter at SF that he has to worry about leaving either.

As for my primary position player's stats in their 3-year peak,


PG: Tiny Archibald0001973-1975

PER GAME - 41.6 MPG, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDhThrByUMA
27.9 PTS, 10.2-21.6 FGA (.471), 0.0-0.0 3PA (N/A), 7.6-8.8 FTA (.854)
0.6 ORB, 2.0 DRB, 2.7 TRB, 8.8 AST, 1.5 STL, 0.1 BLK, N/A TO, 2.4 PF
Honors: MVP: 3rd, 6th. (.396 shares)
All-NBA: 2x 1st. All-Star: x2.
HALL OF FAME


SG: Jimmy Butler0002015-2017

PER GAME - 37.5 MPG, https://youtu.be/xhNR_CagCME?t=34s
21.7 PTS, 7.0-15.4 FGA (.457), 1.1-3.1 3PA (.353), 6.6-7.8 FTA (.846)
1.5 ORB, 4.3 DRB, 5.8 TRB, 4.6 AST, 1.8 STL, 0.5 BLK, 1.8 TO, 1.7 PF
Honors: All-NBA: 1x 3rd. All-Star: x3. All-Defensive: 2x 2nd (this year TBD)


SF: Andrei Kirilenko0002004-2006

PER GAME - 36.4 MPG, https://youtu.be/E50MCQs2xPM
15.8 PTS, 5.1-11.1 FGA (.459), 0.7-2.1 3PA (.322), 5.0-6.6 FTA (.753)
2.5 ORB, 5.1 DRB, 7.6 TRB, 3.6 AST, 1.7 STL, 3.0 BLK, 2.7 TO, 2.3 PF
Honors: MVP: 13th place (.002 shares)
All-Star: 1x. All-Defensive: 1x 1st, 2x 2nd. Blocks Title: 1x.


PF: Carmelo Anthony0002012-2014

PER GAME - 36.9 MPG, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG_SO39X1og
26.5 PTS, 9.3-20.9 FGA (.446), 2.0-5.2 3PA (.380), 5.9-7.1 FTA (.830)
1.8 ORB, 5.3 DRB, 7.2 TRB, 3.1 AST, 1.1 STL, 0.5 BLK, 2.6 TO, 2.9 PF
Honors: MVP: 3rd, 15th place (.396 shares)
All-NBA: 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd. All-Star: 3x. Scoring Title: 1x.
HALL OF FAME PROBABILITY: 98.2%


C: Hakeem Olajuwon0001993-1995

PER GAME - 40.1 MPG, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ktSFxTsquE
27.0 PTS, 10.9-20.7 FGA (.525), 0.0-0.2 3PA (.256), 5.3-7.0 FTA (.751)
2.9 ORB, 9.0 DRB, 12.0 TRB, 3.6 AST, 1.8 STL, 3.8 BLK, 3.3 TO, 3.6 PF
Honors: MVP: 1st, 2nd, 5th (1.680 shares). DPOY: 1st, 1st, 3rd (1.097 shares)
All-NBA: 2x 1st, 1x 3rd. All-Star: 3x. All-Defensive: 2x 1st. Blocks Title: 1x
Championships: 2x. Finals MVP: 1x.
HALL OF FAME

Peek the volume of those FTA. Foul trouble is coming.

FOXHOUND
06-21-2017, 12:01 PM
Honestly Hakeem is the best rim protector no doubt. But is he better defending against KJ, Carter, kemp and Dr j then Davis is at stopping Andrei, cheeks, melo, and Butler at the worst?

I don't think so. So really free beer's rim looks almost safer to me. Crazy as that sounds.

Don't forget Tiny, who plays most of my minutes at PG. He was notorious for going right at guys like Kareem and Wilt at the rim and finishing layups over them. Also, Anthony Davis allows 50% at the rim so it's not like he's even an elite rim defender.

http://stats.nba.com/players/defensive-impact/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612740&sort=DEF_RIM_FGA&dir=1

Hakeem and AK on D = much better rim defense. Without him having 3 point threats, my defenders can sag and force his guys into jumpers.

Capnwalnuts42
06-21-2017, 03:43 PM
It sounds to me like you plan on playing a completely stagnated offense, and that you plan on Hakeem scoring 70 pts and 15 assists a night. I don't think an offense that eliminates half of your team will fly in an all time league. Also, if you think that AK-47, Divac, and Hakeem equal more rim protection than AD, Kemp, Butterbean, and Bol, then, to quote Rob Halford: "You've got another thing coming..."

Capnwalnuts42
06-21-2017, 11:58 PM
Also, there's the fact that AD, an efficient distance
Shooter, can keep Hakeem completely out of the paint on defense by playing out along the perimeter. If you decide to have Hakeem guard Kemp, then that leaves AD guarded by Melo. And a savage beat down will ensue.

Capnwalnuts42
06-22-2017, 12:02 AM
Btw, AD led the league in blocks in one of the years im using him. That actually could be used as the definition for great rim protector... How many years did Melo lead the league in a defensive stat?

Capnwalnuts42
06-22-2017, 12:04 AM
The answer is zero. And beyond that, he's never played a season where he averaged a whole block a game...

Dunkapolooza
06-22-2017, 02:53 AM
In an all time sense, 15 years from now, are people going to be talking about the legends of melo and Butler based on what they've done so far?

This team is designed to treat Hakeem like a god, melo and Butler like stars among all time greats, and tiny like an all time great against the benches. I just don't like the number of role players compared to the quality of stars. I mean Butler isn't a lock for enough points to make up for cheeks. And melo has to make up for Bowen. Tiny keeps the bench afloat. Ak and Hakeem even out but one bad shooting night from any of the stars and the scoring starts to ask players to carry more then they did in real life. In an all time game?

valade16
06-22-2017, 01:50 PM
Ordinary Mr. Fox wins