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mrblisterdundee
06-12-2017, 11:50 PM
The Cavaliers had a nice game four, but they were no match for Golden State in the finals. With the best player on earth, they might be the closest to Golden State. But how do the Cavaliers contend in the age of the Super Death Squad?

GiantsSwaGG
06-12-2017, 11:50 PM
Trade for Melo

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-12-2017, 11:53 PM
Stand pat, probably.

LA_Raiders
06-12-2017, 11:54 PM
Trade for Melo. LJ can't get it done with 2 all stars anymore.

Irvin
Melo
LeQueen
Love

GREATNESS ONE
06-12-2017, 11:54 PM
GM Lebron, time to hand pick some new teammates, you don't have enough help....

jaydubb
06-12-2017, 11:55 PM
Hope that LeBron doesn't leave.. Again

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FlashBolt
06-12-2017, 11:56 PM
Get Kevin Love out. This guy can't do anything vs the Warriors and reality is, they'll be playing the Warriors for the foreseeable future.

zn23
06-12-2017, 11:59 PM
I hope the Cavaliers don't fall in love with Game 4 and think "If he could've just played like that we could've won!" Nonsense. That was a one off game where they were flukey hot from 3 and were in desperation mode against an ice cold GS team. Games 1,2,3 and 5 were more indicative of where these teams stand.

This team clearly needs an overhaul in terms of supporting players. They need 3 & D guys. The problem is that there aren't many in FA.

Crackadalic
06-13-2017, 12:00 AM
Lebron is right. He needs another playmaker on this team. Its been the difference on this team. Warriors have multiple swiss army knife players. Cavs have too many specialist

Jefferson needs to retire. Get a nice young 2 way backup sf. Get a actually backup pg that can run the offense(not deron scrub williams) and probably trade love to get better balance on the team

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-13-2017, 12:01 AM
Crowder and Bradley for Love?

kobe4thewinbang
06-13-2017, 12:02 AM
I think you gotta trade Irving more than Love.

Hustla23
06-13-2017, 12:02 AM
I'll take 2 top 20 protected first round picks for Melo.

Say whatever you want about Melo, he's not afraid of the moment (like Love seemed he was) and would be a monstrous 3rd option playing off Lebron.

Jeffy25
06-13-2017, 12:02 AM
I think they need another rebounder/defender downlow to help TT and KL. Just a boxer who can push DG around and things like that.

This doesn't have to be an expensive guy at all either. There are plenty like this out there.

D-Leethal
06-13-2017, 12:03 AM
Trade Love for Wiggins.

D-Leethal
06-13-2017, 12:04 AM
Melo would be a much better hybrid 4 than Richard Jefferson, that's for sure.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-13-2017, 12:04 AM
I think you gotta trade Irving more than Love.

Irving's a near perfect fit next to LeBron.

Crackadalic
06-13-2017, 12:06 AM
I'll take 2 top 20 protected first round picks for Melo.

Say whatever you want about Melo, he's not afraid of the moment (like Love seemed he was) and would be a monstrous 3rd option playing off Lebron.

At least with melo you can switch back and fourth with lebron playing the 3 and 4. You can't do that with love at all.

zn23
06-13-2017, 12:06 AM
Crowder and Bradley for Love?

That's an interesting offer. They'd get the 3&D guys they need in Bradley and Crowder, but they'd be sacrificing size. Meaning they'd have to play more small ball with Tristan Thompson as their only big man.

bklynny67
06-13-2017, 12:06 AM
Lebro will flock to whatever team has the best chance at winning. That's what he does.

da ThRONe
06-13-2017, 12:07 AM
They should have traded for Cousins in the off season. They stood pat and they needed another iso scorer especially in the post.

Chronz
06-13-2017, 12:07 AM
Gotta go for the move that puts Bron at the 4 permanently now. PG or the Celtics Trade

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-13-2017, 12:08 AM
That's an interesting offer. They'd get the 3&D guys they need in Bradley and Crowder, but they'd be sacrificing size. Meaning they'd have to play more small ball with Tristan Thompson as their only big man.

Yeah. There's really no good deals out there that helps them beat Golden State without weakening them in the earlier rounds. But they have LeBron, so that may not matter.

da ThRONe
06-13-2017, 12:10 AM
Lebro will flock to whatever team has the best chance at winning. That's what he does.

You mean that's what Durant does. How good was MIA before LeBron got there. How good was CLE before LeBron came back? Versus how good the GS was before Durant showed up.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 12:11 AM
Seeing LeBron last year was 100x more fulfilling than Durant winning his first. That's just context for those who want to compare their accomplishment. I think it's fairly obvious: K.Love was a no-show and can't defend the paint. Curry, Iggy, and KD just went through the backdoor every time because these guys aren't capable of guarding the paint. K.Love has GOT to go. He's a damn good fit for the Cavs but not against this Warriors team. It's also damn obvious that they need to get rid of Kyrie. I'm sorry but his offense can't be an excuse for his defense. There's a reason why his +/- is always nearing zero - he gives up as much as he scores. If they can maneuver a trade for Cousins, I'd keep Kyrie. If not, you gotta go the PG route. Or both.

DODGERS&LAKERS
06-13-2017, 12:14 AM
I think the better question is what does the rest of the NBA do? If you are a middling team with stars/superstars on your team, why they wouldn't t trade them for future first-rounders and assets is beyond me? There is no chance of winning so you might as well do what Boston did and sell your older players for the young ones and picks and wait till the Warriors are older. Clippers should trade all 3 guys. Bulls should start selling, so should everyone not named Warriors and Cavs.

J-Relo
06-13-2017, 12:14 AM
A key part for them is a good wing-defender.
When you have such a great shooters as Curry, Klay and Durant, you can't have JR as one of the better defenders...

shep33
06-13-2017, 12:15 AM
Paul George for Love?

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-13-2017, 12:16 AM
I think the better question is what does the rest of the NBA do? If you are a muddling team with stars/superstars on your team, why they wouldn't t trade them for future first-rounders and assets is beyond me? There is no chance of winning so you might as well do what Boston did and sell your older players for the young ones and picks and wait till the Warriors are older. Clippers should trade all 3 guys. Bulls should start selling, so should everyone not named Warriors and Cavs.

I think Boston's gonna stay the course. Maybe IT and Horford will become the Iguodala and David West equivalent for the Celtics as the other guys develop?

ChI_ShIzzLe
06-13-2017, 12:16 AM
I think the better question is what does the rest of the NBA do? If you are a muddling team with stars/superstars on your team, why they wouldn't t trade them for future first-rounders and assets is beyond me? There is no chance of winning so you might as well do what Boston did and sell your older players for the young ones and picks and wait till the Warriors are older. Clippers should trade all 3 guys. Bulls should start selling, so should everyone not named Warriors and Cavs.
Took the post right outta my fingers. Just tank and rebuild for the next 5 years if you're a cellar dweller or fringe playoff team.

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Dade County
06-13-2017, 12:16 AM
They need another Super Star lmao

GS has 2 Super Stars & 2 all stars.

kyubi256
06-13-2017, 12:21 AM
They need to have guys who can play off the ball, guard, and hit open shots. So getting Bradley and crowder would be huge. I can see them going for melo but I don't think he will help them surpass the warriors

ewing
06-13-2017, 12:42 AM
oh, they should tank and start the rebuild.

Wade n Fade
06-13-2017, 12:45 AM
Gotta trade Kevin Love. Can't have two defensive liabilities out there with Irving and Love. Irving can score in the clutch, so he can stay. Love had an abysmal Game 5.

Bostonjorge
06-13-2017, 12:46 AM
Cavs need a player who can guard Durant

steelcityroller
06-13-2017, 12:48 AM
They should take all the players aside from Lebron and just trade them for better players on other teams straight up. That seems to be a popular consensus.

ChiTownPacerFan
06-13-2017, 01:00 AM
I think they need to upgrade that bench. The Cavs starters were as good or better than the Warriors starters. I heard somewhere that the Cavs actually outscored the Warriors in the series when LeBron was on the court. They just got killed when their lousy bench came in. Seriously, Richard Jefferson, Iman Shumpert, and Deron Williams aren't cutting it. They need a new 6th, 7th, and 8th man. In other words, they need to find their Iggy. Their Livingston. Etc. Not saying that will necessarily be enough, but it's where they need to start.

KnickNyKnick
06-13-2017, 01:04 AM
Melo + a defensive 3guy


The Cavs should give Love and Sign n trade Korver + a pick for Melo and Courtney Lee.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 01:12 AM
Cavs don't need Melo. If this series showed anything, it's that if Love can't guard KD, Melo doesn't have much of a chance, either. Someone has to be able to guard KD, too. LeBron can't be driving the offense and guard KD. I'd look to trade Love for PG before Melo. There is no NEED to get Melo when PG is an option. And we can all agree PG is a better option. He's on a one year contract and if it doesn't work out, you can sign a legitimate superstar.

nysportsfan23
06-13-2017, 01:20 AM
Melo to Cleveland, Love to Lakers, Brewer Young Russell Picks to Knicks. Bingo

LOb0
06-13-2017, 01:35 AM
I was firmly against the Melo for Love talks but, 6 points bro? Trade his punk *** right now.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 01:42 AM
Outside of games 2/4, Love shot 23% from the field. That's not going to cut it. If Kyrie+LeBron outplay Curry+KD, someone has to make up for the gap in the Warriors scoring from Klay+Dray+Iggy+Shaun. It turns out Love wasn't capable of much on both ends. Gots to go. Not for Melo because that would be giving the Knicks a damn good deal. They can get much more for Love from a desperate team like the Pacers. It's probably a better idea to try and get TT and Shump for Melo. Who knows? Phil has made worse deals before.

LOb0
06-13-2017, 01:44 AM
Outside of games 2/4, Love shot 23% from the field. That's not going to cut it. If Kyrie+LeBron outplay Curry+KD, someone has to make up for the gap in the Warriors scoring from Klay+Dray+Iggy+Shaun. It turns out Love wasn't capable of much on both ends. Gots to go. Not for Melo because that would be giving the Knicks a damn good deal. They can get much more for Love from a desperate team like the Pacers. It's probably a better idea to try and get TT and Shump for Melo. Who knows? Phil has made worse deals before.

Their roster is pretty f***ing terrible too. Knicks have nothing to sweeten the deal.

But if Bron tells them to do this, its done. But you do make a good point. The Knicks are getting nothing for Melo anyway. Trading away TT is a bad idea. I need to check if the Cavs have any picks left they could possibly throw in.

Nick O
06-13-2017, 01:46 AM
trade for zaza. take him off that GSW starting lineup and they will crumble

GREATNESS ONE
06-13-2017, 01:50 AM
Trade Love for Cousins and get younger, they're a bit old with Jefferson/Dwill, but they will probably get Wade too.

IKnowHoops
06-13-2017, 02:09 AM
Trade Love for Wiggins.

You might be on to something with this. But I think the Cavs could get more than just Wiggins. Wolves fans on this site think Wiggins is a bust. They dog the ish out of him. I bet the Cavs could get Dunn, Lavine, and Wiggins for Love right now if it were up to many of the Twelve fans on this site. I think that would be a good start to the overhaul, but they would be far from done. I would try and bring on Melo, and I would trade Kyrie for PG13. I want to keep JR and Shumpert but I want them coming off the bench. I am trying to trade Tristan and a Pick for Drummond.

PG Lebron/Kriss Dunn
SG Wiggins/Lavine
SF PG13/JR Smith/Korver
PF Melo/Iman Shumpert
C Drummond/Channing Frye

This team gets it done next season against the Dubs. They need a complete overhaul to one up or come close to even with this Dubs team. Its going to be a fun off-season.

IKnowHoops
06-13-2017, 02:20 AM
Gotta trade Kevin Love. Can't have two defensive liabilities out there with Irving and Love. Irving can score in the clutch, so he can stay. Love had an abysmal Game 5.

have to trade both. If you can get PG13 for Kyrie, you do it every time. The same offense and 10x the defense and he is a smarter basketball player. Ive never had a love hate for a player ever...Kyrie allowed me to finally understand what that saying meant. This guy will make you hate him, and then make you love him. At the end of the day, trade him for a couple guys out there who are not quite as flashy but more impactful. PG13 is at the top of my list because he can easily take the scoring load.

I'm thinking its time to one up the warriors. Not match them. One up. Play just a 6'8 and up lineup with Bron running point with a bunch of 6'8 scorers and a 7 foot behemoth who can finish. And you have a nice supply of bench wings as well. Of course what I said is a pipe dream, but its the direction they should go. Both Love and Kyrie need to go. There glaring weaknesses are to easy to take advantage of. I love both though.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 02:22 AM
You might be on to something with this. But I think the Cavs could get more than just Wiggins. Wolves fans on this site think Wiggins is a bust. They dog the ish out of him. I bet the Cavs could get Dunn, Lavine, and Wiggins for Love right now if it were up to many of the Twelve fans on this site. I think that would be a good start to the overhaul, but they would be far from done. I would try and bring on Melo, and I would trade Kyrie for PG13. I want to keep JR and Shumpert but I want them coming off the bench. I am trying to trade Tristan and a Pick for Drummond.

PG Lebron/Kriss Dunn
SG Wiggins/Lavine
SF PG13/JR Smith/Korver
PF Melo/Iman Shumpert
C Drummond/Channing Frye

This team gets it done next season against the Dubs. They need a complete overhaul to one up or come close to even with this Dubs team. Its going to be a fun off-season.

Dude, uh, are you thinking about this as if it is a fantasy league or NBA 2K? There is zero chance Minny trades their future talent for Kevin Love after they just witnessed Kevin Love go poopoo against the Warriors. At most, you'll probably get Wiggins and Rubio but Lavine and Dunn are too young to trade and give up.

You can't trade Kyrie for PG13 and expect Cavs to have cap space for future seasons. That's not how it works. Kyrie is on a damn good contract that has him getting paid $20 million annually for the next three seasons. Find me a better PG with that kind of contract. And he plays well in more Finals than not so it's not fair to trade a player who shows up.

I'm not sure how they're getting Melo at all. They have to do it through trade so you can't just say "try and bring Melo."

Drummond? Why the hell do they want Drummond. This guy is terrible at FT's and he doesn't fit LeBron's game at all. Zero floor spacing and he is immature as hell, still.

Outside of Kyrie for PG, these are all unrealistic moves. Pistons giving up Drummond for TT and a pick makes no sense considering Drummond is way better than TT at the C position. The only way you can get rid of TT is if you ship Kyrie with him because teams love Kyrie's contract affordability.

You just named the Eastern Conference All Stars along with hands down, the best bench in the NBA. That's not a realistic team.. You might be saying, the Warriors did it.. yeah, but the Warriors drafted their team and Curry was the biggest bargain in NBA history.

goingfor28
06-13-2017, 02:22 AM
After the historic postseason Al Horford had, I'd do everything possible to get him. They'd probably finish 98-0 next year.

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IKnowHoops
06-13-2017, 02:22 AM
They should take all the players aside from Lebron and just trade them for better players on other teams straight up. That seems to be a popular consensus.

I mean...this...

L8kers4life
06-13-2017, 02:29 AM
Melo to Cleveland, Love to Lakers, Brewer Young Russell Picks to Knicks. Bingo

Lakers want no part of Love unless you switched Russell with Randle and the 28th, no way Russell.

L8kers4life
06-13-2017, 02:31 AM
have to trade both. If you can get PG13 for Kyrie, you do it every time. The same offense and 10x the defense and he is a smarter basketball player. Ive never had a love hate for a player ever...Kyrie allowed me to finally understand what that saying meant. This guy will make you hate him, and then make you love him. At the end of the day, trade him for a couple guys out there who are not quite as flashy but more impactful. PG13 is at the top of my list because he can easily take the scoring load.

I'm thinking its time to one up the warriors. Not match them. One up. Play just a 6'8 and up lineup with Bron running point with a bunch of 6'8 scorers and a 7 foot behemoth who can finish. And you have a nice supply of bench wings as well. Of course what I said is a pipe dream, but its the direction they should go. Both Love and Kyrie need to go. There glaring weaknesses are to easy to take advantage of. I love both though.

I would try Love and a picks for PG13 if your competing with GSW it has to be Love that goes

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 02:38 AM
I would try Love and a picks for PG13 if your competing with GSW it has to be Love that goes

PG+Lance for Love. Works for both teams. Cavs get a good playmaker off the bench in Lance. I'd trust Lance to guard KD and at least make it tough on him. Tougher than RJ.. Pacers get Love and rumors of PG leaving are already stirring so it's safe to say if he leaves and you get nothing, you'll be wishing you could turn the clock. Cavs get PG and they get a playmaker for their bench.. aka, Deron Williams - who should NEVER see a court in his life again. That may have very well been the worst bench PG I've seen in Finals history.

Mayweather&NYK
06-13-2017, 02:53 AM
Trade Love for Melo, sign Ibaka

Kyrie
Jr
melo
LeBron
Ibaka

TT (bench)

Mayweather&NYK
06-13-2017, 02:55 AM
That team is a threat offensively at every spot on the floor and at every position...

IKnowHoops
06-13-2017, 02:59 AM
Dude, uh, are you thinking about this as if it is a fantasy league or NBA 2K? There is zero chance Minny trades their future talent for Kevin Love after they just witnessed Kevin Love go poopoo against the Warriors. At most, you'll probably get Wiggins and Rubio but Lavine and Dunn are too young to trade and give up.

You can't trade Kyrie for PG13 and expect Cavs to have cap space for future seasons. That's not how it works. Kyrie is on a damn good contract that has him getting paid $20 million annually for the next three seasons. Find me a better PG with that kind of contract. And he plays well in more Finals than not so it's not fair to trade a player who shows up.

I'm not sure how they're getting Melo at all. They have to do it through trade so you can't just say "try and bring Melo."

Drummond? Why the hell do they want Drummond. This guy is terrible at FT's and he doesn't fit LeBron's game at all. Zero floor spacing and he is immature as hell, still.

Outside of Kyrie for PG, these are all unrealistic moves. Pistons giving up Drummond for TT and a pick makes no sense considering Drummond is way better than TT at the C position. The only way you can get rid of TT is if you ship Kyrie with him because teams love Kyrie's contract affordability.

You just named the Eastern Conference All Stars along with hands down, the best bench in the NBA. That's not a realistic team.. You might be saying, the Warriors did it.. yeah, but the Warriors drafted their team and Curry was the biggest bargain in NBA history.

OK.

Trade Kyrie for PG13
Trade Love for Jimmy Butler
Shumpert + Tristan + Korver + Frye for Melo + Porz (thats realistic, common)

Pull smooth free agent pickups like Tim Hardaway Jr., Shabazz Muhammad, Jonathan Simmons, Nerlens Noel, Zach Randolph.

PG Lebron,Jonathan Simmons
SF Jimmy Butler/Jr. Smith
SF PG13/Hardaway Jr.
PF Melo/Shabazz Muhammad
C Nerlens Noel/Zach Randolph

Zach still has skill and he has the toughness that the Cavs team lacks. Granted this would be an entirely new team. This team is easily doable and probable and most likely will happen.

for real though, this is the blue print. They can certainly make a great team by trading everyone accept Lebron. A team that can score and play defense. A team with all 6'7 and up guys that can really take advantage of Curry next year and can somewhat ruff him up and slow him down offensively. I know the totality of my examples are pretty unrealistic, but it is realistic to flip Kyrie and Love for Jimmy and PG13, seeing as how both of them are unhappy and soon to leave for nothing, and Kyrie and Love are both on good and longer contracts. Thats the area they have to go, although Jimmy did nothing last year when they needed him, he is a baller and he plays great defense and playing next to Bron will make him better. All in all, a team built like this would most importantly create big mismatches against GS, and make it much harder for Steph and Durant, with PG13 and Jimmy lurking. Get Melo over hear for TT and some garbage. Phil wants him gone bad, I sure he'd love to get TT and get rid of Melo. He'd let Melo go for nothing so I'm sure something will be worked out that helps the Cavs get him if it happens.

hugepatsfan
06-13-2017, 03:03 AM
^ Why don't they just sign Hayward and Blake since they're pulling cap space out the *** lol

IKnowHoops
06-13-2017, 03:04 AM
Flipping (Kyrie + Love) for (Butler + PG13) is step #1 then go from there.

Quinnsanity
06-13-2017, 03:41 AM
You can't trade Kyrie after that series. He's still improving. If the player he was in the last three games of that series is anything close to what he'll be going forward, that's a potential top-10 player in the league and you never trade someone that good.

But Love has to go. He can't stay on the floor against the Warriors if he's not scoring 20 per game and owning the boards. He's done neither in the past two Finals. Move him for stretchy wings who can defend multiple positions. No contender wants him. He can't play against Golden State. But teams on the fringes like Charlotte, Detroit, Orlando etc... would give up a lot to get him just for the sake of having an(other) All Star on their team and maybe making the second round. If you can get two versatile forwards for him that's a win in my eyes.

GoferKing_
06-13-2017, 03:47 AM
Bend over and cry like rest of the league.

GoferKing_
06-13-2017, 03:49 AM
OK.

Trade Kyrie for PG13
Trade Love for Jimmy Butler
Shumpert + Tristan + Korver + Frye for Melo + Porz (thats realistic, common)

Pull smooth free agent pickups like Tim Hardaway Jr., Shabazz Muhammad, Jonathan Simmons, Nerlens Noel, Zach Randolph.

PG Lebron,Jonathan Simmons
SF Jimmy Butler/Jr. Smith
SF PG13/Hardaway Jr.
PF Melo/Shabazz Muhammad
C Nerlens Noel/Zach Randolph

Zach still has skill and he has the toughness that the Cavs team lacks. Granted this would be an entirely new team. This team is easily doable and probable and most likely will happen.

for real though, this is the blue print. They can certainly make a great team by trading everyone accept Lebron. A team that can score and play defense. A team with all 6'7 and up guys that can really take advantage of Curry next year and can somewhat ruff him up and slow him down offensively. I know the totality of my examples are pretty unrealistic, but it is realistic to flip Kyrie and Love for Jimmy and PG13, seeing as how both of them are unhappy and soon to leave for nothing, and Kyrie and Love are both on good and longer contracts. Thats the area they have to go, although Jimmy did nothing last year when they needed him, he is a baller and he plays great defense and playing next to Bron will make him better. All in all, a team built like this would most importantly create big mismatches against GS, and make it much harder for Steph and Durant, with PG13 and Jimmy lurking. Get Melo over hear for TT and some garbage. Phil wants him gone bad, I sure he'd love to get TT and get rid of Melo. He'd let Melo go for nothing so I'm sure something will be worked out that helps the Cavs get him if it happens.

Amazing, you always make me laugh.xD

GoferKing_
06-13-2017, 03:52 AM
You might be on to something with this. But I think the Cavs could get more than just Wiggins. Wolves fans on this site think Wiggins is a bust. They dog the ish out of him. I bet the Cavs could get Dunn, Lavine, and Wiggins for Love right now if it were up to many of the Twelve fans on this site. I think that would be a good start to the overhaul, but they would be far from done. I would try and bring on Melo, and I would trade Kyrie for PG13. I want to keep JR and Shumpert but I want them coming off the bench. I am trying to trade Tristan and a Pick for Drummond.

PG Lebron/Kriss Dunn
SG Wiggins/Lavine
SF PG13/JR Smith/Korver
PF Melo/Iman Shumpert
C Drummond/Channing Frye

This team gets it done next season against the Dubs. They need a complete overhaul to one up or come close to even with this Dubs team. Its going to be a fun off-season.

I am dying.xD

MILLERHIGHLIFE
06-13-2017, 08:46 AM
I'd probably trade Love. Not sure what team would offer up the most. So the Cavs just make a lateral move and go for another older guy or go for a young bunch? Blazers wanted Love before. Maybe get them 3 first round picks and maybe two dead weight guys to match out Love's salary. Not pretty. Maybe the Lakers? But doubt they part with a couple young pieces since they wanna hang tight and go after PG13 following year. I could see Cavs end up with Wade and Melo.

BKLYNpigeon
06-13-2017, 09:12 AM
Kevin Love doesn't have much trade value. His body will breakdown in 2-3 years. Never pay a big with back issues and injury history. Do you really want to pay him the max in 2 years after trading good assets for him?

PurpleLynch
06-13-2017, 09:32 AM
-Trade Love.
-Pick Ibaka,Holiday and Baynes from the FA market.
-Aim for a star to pair with Irving/Lebron: CP3, George, Cousins are on top off of my mind.

da ThRONe
06-13-2017, 09:44 AM
Honestly they needed to trade both Irving and Love. Kyrie can be outstanding but he shot Cavs out of the series with far too many terrible iso shots sometimes even before the offense was initiated. That coupled with his defense makes him expendable. Love is an overrated overpaid utility player also with lacking defense. Neither player had any real team success before teaming with James and that was the reason.

BKLYNpigeon
06-13-2017, 09:58 AM
-Trade Love.
-Pick Ibaka,Holiday and Baynes from the FA market.
-Aim for a star to pair with Irving/Lebron: CP3, George, Cousins are on top off of my mind.

Cavs have ZERO money to add.

They can only offer a Minimum contract.

They don't have any Draft Picks to trade.

JasonJohnHorn
06-13-2017, 09:58 AM
This makes sense for both teams to me.

CP3 will be able to take full advantage of Love, and give LBJ room and time off the ball to ease thing up for him, like Curry and co eased things up for KD.


Kyrie is younger, so he'll give the Clippers a longer window to create a contender around Griffin.


I'm at a loss for how this trade hasn't already happened, but given that LBJ and CP3 are close friends, I can't imagine this trade not happening at this point.

Hawkeye15
06-13-2017, 10:00 AM
I mean, both sides win with this, even if Paul is exponentially a better player right now. Cleveland gets upgraded on both sides of the ball, and the Clippers get much younger at the position with future outlook better.

Love would be much more productive with a LeBron/Paul pairing, than the dribble show that is Kyrie

SteBO
06-13-2017, 10:06 AM
I mean, both sides win with this, even if Paul is exponentially a better player right now. Cleveland gets upgraded on both sides of the ball, and the Clippers get much younger at the position with future outlook better.

Love would be much more productive with a LeBron/Paul pairing, than the dribble show that is Kyrie
But he's also older and slower w/ less than optimal knees.....

Scoots
06-13-2017, 10:07 AM
For the most part the Cavs roster is locked in ... the Warriors after this next year probably too.

Scoots
06-13-2017, 10:07 AM
Cavs have ZERO money to add.

They can only offer a Minimum contract.

They don't have any Draft Picks to trade.

They have the taxpayer MLE.

They do have draft picks, but they are years in the future.

da ThRONe
06-13-2017, 10:08 AM
I don't understand why GM are so terrible. It was obivious that Love talents didn't really fit this team yet they decided to keep him this offseason. They overpaid Thompson who was outrebounded by Curry. Now they are inferior to the Warriors with little options to get better. A smart GM wouldn't let James force him into bad decisions. It's hard to believe Love has the same value right now that he had this time last year. Griffin has done a poor job with this group.

da ThRONe
06-13-2017, 10:14 AM
I would. Not sure how Paul feels about Cleveland, but if he OK's this deal you have to. Kyrie is a low IQ one way player. When a team is forced to 3 quality players those guys have to get a bunch out of the role players. Irving can't do that enough.

PC
06-13-2017, 10:14 AM
I know the Cavs were blown out a couple times but the series should have been a lot closer. If they don't give away Game 3, it's a 3-2 series going back to Cleveland. Not convinced they need to completely overhaul their roster, but they do have some pretty big contracts, in who I consider non-core players, to try to mix and match in a trade if they feel the need.

Hawkeye15
06-13-2017, 10:17 AM
But he's also older and slower w/ less than optimal knees.....

I would still take CP3 next year over Irving. For sure. And that window is all the Cavs care about.

da ThRONe
06-13-2017, 10:23 AM
I would still take CP3 next year over Irving. For sure. And that window is all the Cavs care about.

I'd do a Love for Drummond swap as well. The PNR with Dre and CP would be sick. Then they can just trade Thompson for players to add bench depth.

pacofunk64
06-13-2017, 10:25 AM
Kevin Love is a good player but is not great. They need to trade Love for Paul George. George has said he wants to win more than anything. So he holds leverage over the Pacers. They either trade him and get a nice player in return or he leaves and they get nothing.

Wade n Fade
06-13-2017, 10:25 AM
have to trade both. If you can get PG13 for Kyrie, you do it every time. The same offense and 10x the defense and he is a smarter basketball player. Ive never had a love hate for a player ever...Kyrie allowed me to finally understand what that saying meant. This guy will make you hate him, and then make you love him. At the end of the day, trade him for a couple guys out there who are not quite as flashy but more impactful. PG13 is at the top of my list because he can easily take the scoring load.

I'm thinking its time to one up the warriors. Not match them. One up. Play just a 6'8 and up lineup with Bron running point with a bunch of 6'8 scorers and a 7 foot behemoth who can finish. And you have a nice supply of bench wings as well. Of course what I said is a pipe dream, but its the direction they should go. Both Love and Kyrie need to go. There glaring weaknesses are to easy to take advantage of. I love both though.

I am going to defend Kyrie here. He is only 25 years old and just came off a career year with shooting % and PPG. Averaged almost 30 ppg this NBA Finals as well. Steph Curry had an underwhelming 2015 NBA Finals, yet they still won. Irving isn't as much of an issue if a SG could cover his defensive deficiencies like Klay Thompson can. Question is who is that SG? It's not Iman Shumpert because he is too much of an offensive drop from what the Cavs need. JR Smith isn't the answer because he is a flash in the pan type of guy. Gotta get a versatile big and a good two way SG.

Scoots
06-13-2017, 10:26 AM
Kyrie's knees are a worry too.

Would LeBron let CP3 control the ball?

da ThRONe
06-13-2017, 10:38 AM
I am going to defend Kyrie here. He is only 25 years old and just came off a career year with shooting % and PPG. Averaged almost 30 ppg this NBA Finals as well. Steph Curry had an underwhelming 2015 NBA Finals, yet they still won. Irving isn't as much of an issue if a SG could cover his defensive deficiencies like Klay Thompson can. Question is who is that SG? It's not Iman Shumpert because he is too much of an offensive drop from what the Cavs need. JR Smith isn't the answer because he is a flash in the pan type of guy. Gotta get a versatile big and a good two way SG.

But whats more likely trading Shump and/or JR and getting value or trading Irving. His play style get buckets but it'll kill the Cavs versus a great team like the Spurs or Warriors. Better to move on now. It funny how people keep saying how Irving "saves" James. When James has to carry Irving. The 1-3 hole last year happen when Kyrie was killed the team with all the iso and the 0-3 started the same way this year.

warfelg
06-13-2017, 10:39 AM
Upgrade at the 2.

Trade Tristan Thompson.

Sign some vet min big.

I think the fact that TT isn't scary anywhere more than 3 feet from the rim means if he leaves the paint there's little reason for the center to follow him. And to top it off he's supposed to be a good rebounder and was baaaad.

I know it sounds like unnecessary salary but I would offer Thompson to the Nets for Lopez and see if they bite. Let Korver walk, see if you can put together a package of something that can nab you a 3andD wing on the cheap.

Kyrie
3nD wing
LeBron
Love
Lopez

Hawkeye15
06-13-2017, 10:52 AM
They need another Super Star lmao

GS has 2 Super Stars & 2 all stars.

correction. GS has 3 all NBA perennial members, and an all star. And a guy not even included in that won a finals MVP for them 2 years ago haha. Unreal

mrblisterdundee
06-13-2017, 10:56 AM
I've been calling for this for some time. Paul still has at least a few years of elite basketball left in him. Even non-elite Paul is still one of the best floor generals in the NBA.
The Cavaliers already mortgaged their future when they dealt Wiggins for Love. Playing with LeBron is the only appealing part about Cleveland, so I can't imagine Irving would stick around long-term without him. Why not go all-in for a few more years of contention?
I would also be willing to trade Love to New York for Anthony and O'Quinn, if the Knicks are interested.

Nikeman
06-13-2017, 10:59 AM
Trade Love for a S&T with Paul.

If Paul tells LA he is leaving, the Clippers do this. There is no way you let CP3 leave for nothing. Getting Love in return for CP3 isn't even the worst possible scenario for LAC.

Trade Irving for Paul George. The Pacers do this trade. PG is leaving, getting a top 5 PG in return for him who's only 25 is amazing and the best return they can possibly get.

Paul/LeBron/PG as your big 3 and then try and sign complimentary pieces.

ewing
06-13-2017, 11:03 AM
Sign Jimmer???

RowBTrice
06-13-2017, 11:08 AM
Cavaliers are likely to watch bron leave................AGAIN

IndyRealist
06-13-2017, 11:43 AM
I'd do a Love for Drummond swap as well. The PNR with Dre and CP would be sick. Then they can just trade Thompson for players to add bench depth.

Do you think Drummond would be available for just Love? I don't follow Detroit, but I have to believe he's worth more than that.

WaDe03
06-13-2017, 11:47 AM
LeBron needs to convince Wade to take the MLE. See what type of offers you get for a combination of Love Thompson and Shumpert. Can you get Cousins, Whiteside, Jordan, etc with any of these combinations?

Nikeman had a good proposal with the S&T of Love for Paul but idk if that's possible cap wise unless Paul take a cut. Kyrie for PG would definitely be interesting and I think PG would match Kyries scoring for the most part while giving much better defense.

CP3/Shump?
Wade/JR
PG/Korver
LeBron/Frye or Jefferson
TT/Bogut?

Maybe have Wade in the Ginobli role with JR starting.

Those are some big moves but that team is better than the current Cavs. I realize that whole bench probably can't stay in place. Multiple playmakers, multiple specialist, multiple playmakers, a lot of star power.

da ThRONe
06-13-2017, 11:53 AM
Do you think Drummond would be available for just Love? I don't follow Detroit, but I have to believe he's worth more than that.

From my understanding Drummond and Jackson are both available. It's always difficult to know how front office personnel grade players but I'd imagine they have a very similar grade from both teams. Pistons already have two centers behind Drummond under contract and they started Jon Leuer at the 4 so I can see them interested in a straight swap.

LA4life24/8
06-13-2017, 12:06 PM
Kyrie's knees are a worry too.

Would LeBron let CP3 control the ball?

This is kinda my concern as well. Brons not an off the ball type of player. In those sports where kyrie is going off doing 1v1s trip after trip lebron is almost non existent on the floor. Idk how it would work w bron off ball the majority of the time

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 12:09 PM
I can't say this trade wouldn't help the Cavs because they'll be improving as a team offensively but also, improving their PG defender as well. With that being said, I doubt Kyrie gets traded at this point. LeBron told him they'll be back next season. I'm thinking he knows Kyrie isn't the problem but that K.Love is.

LA4life24/8
06-13-2017, 12:16 PM
I can't say this trade wouldn't help the Cavs because they'll be improving as a team offensively but also, improving their PG defender as well. With that being said, I doubt Kyrie gets traded at this point. LeBron told him they'll be back next season. I'm thinking he knows Kyrie isn't the problem but that K.Love is.

But love wasnt the problem this year. It was the bench. The bench showed up 1.5 games max. Love showed up for 3 minimum. Actually kyrie only showed up for 2 himself really so...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2017-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html

Kyrie 29 4 4
Love 16 11 2.2 (steals.)

Id take loves statline.

Nikeman
06-13-2017, 12:17 PM
LeBron needs to convince Wade to take the MLE. See what type of offers you get for a combination of Love Thompson and Shumpert. Can you get Cousins, Whiteside, Jordan, etc with any of these combinations?

Nikeman had a good proposal with the S&T of Love for Paul but idk if that's possible cap wise unless Paul take a cut. Kyrie for PG would definitely be interesting and I think PG would match Kyries scoring for the most part while giving much better defense.

CP3/Shump?
Wade/JR
PG/Korver
LeBron/Frye or Jefferson
TT/Bogut?

Maybe have Wade in the Ginobli role with JR starting.

Those are some big moves but that team is better than the current Cavs. I realize that whole bench probably can't stay in place. Multiple playmakers, multiple specialist, multiple playmakers, a lot of star power.

I like my proposal too, that's why I proposed it :D Let me be more clear with my proposal since you are right about some cap issues.

Love + Shump for CP3 in a S&T. Again, this can only happen if CP3 says to LA that he is leaving. The reason I think CP3 may actually do this is because him and Bron are both 32, this Warriors team is all in their 20s, the time is now for them. This allows the Clippers to try and do a S&T for Blake which allows him to get that super max. I personally think Love/DeAndre is the best pairing possible anyway. Love spaces the floor for them better than Blake ever could on offense, and DeAndre can help clean up Love's weak defense. I think a Love/DJ pairing is great.

Now CP3/Kyrie will not work.

Trade Kyrie for PG13 in an extend and trade. The Cavs cannot give up Kyrie if PG13 leaves next year, but if he signs say a 3 year deal, that keeps him on the Cavs for the last remaining years of LBJ/CP3 and PG would become 30. He desperately wants LA, and that allows LA to develop their young talent for PG13 to leave Cleveland and lead them. This allows PG to compete now, and then head over to LA in the end years of his prime and lead his hometown team.

The Pacers will not get a better return than Irving, period, and would be the biggest fools to ever turn that down. If I am Cleveland, I try and ask for another piece along with PG13 to be honest, a potential depth piece.

I do not think Wade signs for the MLE, but in the event he does, he needs to be in a Ginobli type of role. Wade is my fave player ever, but he is 35. Expect 20-25 mins from him a game in a 6th man role, and at this point, Wade needs to be a creator, the play-maker the Cavs never had. If Wade could be a 15/5/5 guy off the bench, that would be huge.

The Cavs have options, but they need to be smart. LeBron is 32 and will start a decline very soon. This prime Warriors team is here to last, the Cavs need to blow it up and compete. To the people saying this was a competitive series, get real. The Cavs could have won game 3, but how I felt like 90% of the people felt GS was going to win that game despite being down 8. They lost in 5 games, and it took a historic offensive output which may not be repeated for decades to even win one.

Scoots
06-13-2017, 12:22 PM
I can't say this trade wouldn't help the Cavs because they'll be improving as a team offensively but also, improving their PG defender as well. With that being said, I doubt Kyrie gets traded at this point. LeBron told him they'll be back next season. I'm thinking he knows Kyrie isn't the problem but that K.Love is.

It seems to me the issue is the inconsistency of all of the players behind Kyrie and LeBron ... but I wonder how much of that is those players and how much is Kyrie and LeBron.

jason6692
06-13-2017, 12:23 PM
Why trade a champion for a loser

Silent
06-13-2017, 12:23 PM
srry but the only reason the games where so close was cause of the way Kyrie played Paul wouldn't be able to do what Kyrie did they would a been swept for sure with Cp3

Scoots
06-13-2017, 12:36 PM
srry but the only reason the games where so close was cause of the way Kyrie played Paul wouldn't be able to do what Kyrie did they would a been swept for sure with Cp3

But the games 4 & 5 were more competitive and those were the games where the other Cavs were getting involved in the offense and CP3 is FAR better at that than Kyrie is. And on defense CP3 is far better too.

IKnowHoops
06-13-2017, 12:54 PM
Amazing, you always make me laugh.xD

So awesome you got that sweet package you knew you'd get for Boogie huh?

IKnowHoops
06-13-2017, 12:59 PM
Honestly they needed to trade both Irving and Love. Kyrie can be outstanding but he shot Cavs out of the series with far too many terrible iso shots sometimes even before the offense was initiated. That coupled with his defense makes him expendable. Love is an overrated overpaid utility player also with lacking defense. Neither player had any real team success before teaming with James and that was the reason.

Agreed.

Its OK to trade Kyrie if you are getting back someone who is equal or better. Both Paul George and Jimmy Butler fit that criteria and they would do much more damage against Golden State than Kyrie can.

WestCoastSportz
06-13-2017, 01:24 PM
Lebron was right. The team needs another playmaker because Kyrie Irving isn't a playmaker. He's a dynamic and great isolation player. He can take people off the dribble and finish with the best of them but he isn't a guy that makes the people around him better. He doesn't get the idea of getting his teammates involved in the offense which isn't a good thing when that guy is the point guard and will have the ball in his hands the majority of the game. Another thing this team needs is defense. Irving, Love and Thompson aren't good defenders. If you look at the Warriors, Curry may not be a good defender but Klay, Durant and Green are.

So my idea would be...send Kyrie Irving to the Timberwolves for Ricky Rubio, Zach Lavine and Nemanja Bjelica.

They get a playmaker in Rubio, who is also a great perimeter defender. Lavine gives them some of the offense they'd lose in trading Irving and is also a decent playmaker. Rubio is still only 26 years old and Lavine is 22. For the Wolves, it would make sense as well and Irving could make them a playoff team in the West.

Timberwolves:

The Wolves have tons of cap. If they can sign a guy like Kentavious Caldwell Pope and draft Lauri Markkanen, this could be a very good team.

PG Kyrie Irving / Kris Dunn
SG Kentavious Caldwell Pope / Brandon Rush
SF Andrew Wiggins / Shabazz Muhammad
PF Gorgui Dieng / Lauri Makkanen / Nemanja Bjelica
C Karl Anthony-Towns / Nikola Pekovic

Cavaliers:

PG Ricky Rubio / Deron Williams
SG Zach Lavine / JR Smith / Kyle Korver
SF Lebron James / Iman Shumpert / Richard Jefferson
PF Kevin Love / Nemanja Bjelica / Channing Frye
C Tristan Thompson / Edy Tavares

IKnowHoops
06-13-2017, 01:28 PM
Trade Love for a S&T with Paul.

If Paul tells LA he is leaving, the Clippers do this. There is no way you let CP3 leave for nothing. Getting Love in return for CP3 isn't even the worst possible scenario for LAC.

Trade Irving for Paul George. The Pacers do this trade. PG is leaving, getting a top 5 PG in return for him who's only 25 is amazing and the best return they can possibly get.

Paul/LeBron/PG as your big 3 and then try and sign complimentary pieces.

I would be ok with this. And having CP3 would make that team still formidable when Lebron is off the court which is just so rare for a Lebron lead team. What about getting Jimmy Butler and maybe trying to trade for Ricky Rubio.

PG Rubio
SG Butler
SF PG13
PF Bron
C

Ya know, I think they should set it off and just go very big to offset some of what GS does.

PG Lebron
SG Butler
SF PG13
PF Melo

Love, Kyrie, TT, Shump are gone at the very least to achieve the above. Keep JR as an off the bench guy. With what you have left, try and get an athletic long fast Center who can run the floor like a Calley-Stein, Nerlens Noel, and even Sal Labissiere. Believe it or not, all of these guys are better than Tristan Thompson, and playing with Lebron and the rest of these guys would raise there level of play so much more just as it did for Tristan. None of them can offensive rebound like him, but Steph just go done out rebounding TT so against GS all of them probably are better. And that is really all that matters.

Then add 4, 6'8" 3&D guys and a 7 foot goon or tough guy that is still good enough to get 15 minutes in an NBA finals game.

Now everyone else is on the trade block. I would work very hard at moving TT/Shump

likemystylez
06-13-2017, 01:59 PM
Forget all these trades.... Jeesh everyone be rippin on KD for joining a good squad and taking the easy way out. The cavs man up and come back to take it next year.

Quinnsanity
06-13-2017, 02:00 PM
Upgrade at the 2.

Trade Tristan Thompson.

Sign some vet min big.

I think the fact that TT isn't scary anywhere more than 3 feet from the rim means if he leaves the paint there's little reason for the center to follow him. And to top it off he's supposed to be a good rebounder and was baaaad.

I know it sounds like unnecessary salary but I would offer Thompson to the Nets for Lopez and see if they bite. Let Korver walk, see if you can put together a package of something that can nab you a 3andD wing on the cheap.

Kyrie
3nD wing
LeBron
Love
Lopez

So they're terrible on defense, and your solution is to trade arguably their best defensive player for Brook freaking Lopez?

warfelg
06-13-2017, 02:06 PM
So they're terrible on defense, and your solution is to trade arguably their best defensive player for Brook freaking Lopez?

It's a spitball not the full on have to do this. Also TT's defense wasn't all that great this year TBH.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 02:14 PM
Having two guys like CP3+Bron facilitate the ball would alone destroy your defense. But there's just a huge overlap in skill that you're not getting the ISO dominance that Kyrie can give you when it really matters. If you get CP3, you're going to have to take a serious look at getting DeAndre as well because those lobs are going to be there all day. Any reason Clippers don't take a Kyrie+Thompson+Shump for DJ and CP3 if they know CP3 is a goner? You might even be able to keep Kevin Love... or trade him for PG. Or trade Kevin Love and J.R. for Melo. Options are there. Cavs just need to stop being emotional and make the damn moves. They aren't beating the Warriors as it is.

CP3
PG
DJ
LeBron
Smith

Yeah, that sounds like a damn good team.

mightybosstone
06-13-2017, 02:15 PM
Anyone who is assuming Kyrie is the superior player because of the scoring are seriously underestimating what Paul can do for an offense as a distributor and his superior skills on the defensive end. If the Cavs could pull this off, they should do it in a heartbeat. But I'm not sure that move alone helps the Cavs beat the Warriors. I think they'd need one more significant improvement or to get much better in terms of depth to truly hang with Golden State.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 02:18 PM
Anyone who is assuming Kyrie is the superior player because of the scoring are seriously underestimating what Paul can do for an offense as a distributor and his superior skills on the defensive end. If the Cavs could pull this off, they should do it in a heartbeat. But I'm not sure that move alone helps the Cavs beat the Warriors. I think they'd need one more significant improvement or to get much better in terms of depth to truly hang with Golden State.

What do you think about a potential:

CP3+DJ for Kyrie+TT+Shump
Love for PG
Love+J.R. for Melo
Love for Cousins

So we could be looking at:

CP3+DJ+LeBron+Cousins or Melo or PG

Cap works out. I'd say go for Cousins but the banana boat nonsense might have them going after Melo - which I think is plain stupid but it's still better than Kevin Love.

Hawkeye15
06-13-2017, 02:23 PM
srry but the only reason the games where so close was cause of the way Kyrie played Paul wouldn't be able to do what Kyrie did they would a been swept for sure with Cp3

b.s. Paul's upgrade defensively, and the fact that he is better offensively, would help the Cavs immensely over Irving. Irving is a bottle rocket of scoring, but provides nothing else. Imagine have a defender that disrupts offenses, and causes turnovers, and would actually make others effective off the ball, and can score 20 a game efficiently. Cmon

Hawkeye15
06-13-2017, 02:24 PM
Anyone who is assuming Kyrie is the superior player because of the scoring are seriously underestimating what Paul can do for an offense as a distributor and his superior skills on the defensive end. If the Cavs could pull this off, they should do it in a heartbeat. But I'm not sure that move alone helps the Cavs beat the Warriors. I think they'd need one more significant improvement or to get much better in terms of depth to truly hang with Golden State.

No doubt. They would also need to trade Love, and get real depth from it, or a player like PG3, and move LeBron to the 4. But Paul over Irving is a nice leap in talent level for next year alone.

Jeffy25
06-13-2017, 02:28 PM
I mean, both sides win with this, even if Paul is exponentially a better player right now. Cleveland gets upgraded on both sides of the ball, and the Clippers get much younger at the position with future outlook better.

Love would be much more productive with a LeBron/Paul pairing, than the dribble show that is Kyrie

I agree.

My only concern would be Paul's health (if I'm CLE)

WaDe03
06-13-2017, 02:40 PM
I would be ok with this. And having CP3 would make that team still formidable when Lebron is off the court which is just so rare for a Lebron lead team. What about getting Jimmy Butler and maybe trying to trade for Ricky Rubio.

PG Rubio
SG Butler
SF PG13
PF Bron
C

Ya know, I think they should set it off and just go very big to offset some of what GS does.

PG Lebron
SG Butler
SF PG13
PF Melo

Love, Kyrie, TT, Shump are gone at the very least to achieve the above. Keep JR as an off the bench guy. With what you have left, try and get an athletic long fast Center who can run the floor like a Calley-Stein, Nerlens Noel, and even Sal Labissiere. Believe it or not, all of these guys are better than Tristan Thompson, and playing with Lebron and the rest of these guys would raise there level of play so much more just as it did for Tristan. None of them can offensive rebound like him, but Steph just go done out rebounding TT so against GS all of them probably are better. And that is really all that matters.

Then add 4, 6'8" 3&D guys and a 7 foot goon or tough guy that is still good enough to get 15 minutes in an NBA finals game.

Now everyone else is on the trade block. I would work very hard at moving TT/Shump

No way they get PG Butler and Melo without giving up LeBron. They could get 2 at the very best. Probably one of PG or Butler using Kyrie and Melo using Love.

WaDe03
06-13-2017, 02:42 PM
Forget all these trades.... Jeesh everyone be rippin on KD for joining a good squad and taking the easy way out. The cavs man up and come back to take it next year.

That's the thing. His ***** move makes it to where no one can just stand pat and beat them next year. I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of big moves this summer from multiple teams.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 02:46 PM
Forget all these trades.... Jeesh everyone be rippin on KD for joining a good squad and taking the easy way out. The cavs man up and come back to take it next year.

You're not beating the Warriors with this team. By your logic, every team should just "man up" and not make any moves. That's not what the Warriors did last year when they signed KD.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 02:49 PM
No way they get PG Butler and Melo without giving up LeBron. They could get 2 at the very best. Probably one of PG or Butler using Kyrie and Melo using Love.

It's entirely possible if they play their cards right.

I think a Kyrie for PG is easily do-able.
Love for Butler makes damn sense considering he's a better fit with Rondo than Butler is and they are lacking a PF.
The Melo one is tricky because no one knows what the Knicks are doing at all. They can give up TT and Shump for Melo if the Knicks really wanted to get rid of Melo but then again, how would it make sense considering the Knicks just spent money on Noah last season. I'm not sure what happens as they can go many routes with this one. As bad as Love was in the Finals, his trade value is very high for some very desperate teams. Kyrie is probably one of the best trade pieces in this league. His contract has him getting paid $18 million per year for the next three years and he's still improving.

But to be honest, PG+Butler+Melo+LeBron isn't a really good team at all. They're too undersized and ball-dominant that it makes zero sense.

rjcv177
06-13-2017, 03:30 PM
New here but just looking at a few Love trades:

Love for W.Chandler, Faried, Mudiay
- Nuggets get combo with Jokic, and no more logjam at wings
- Love goes from 3rd to 2nd option
- Cavs get modern 4, rebound and spark off bench, and playmaking at sub-PG

Love for McCollum, Aminu, Ezeli
- Blazers try new without Lillard+McCollum (new big 3 - lillard, love, nurkic - and still plenty of bodies at wing positions)
- Cavs get more playmaking in CJ, def specialist in Aminu and bigger body in Ezeli

Love for A.Gordon and Vucevic
- Magic definiton at frontcourt (Byombo+Love = Def+Off)
- Cavs get younger to cover KD, slide Lebron definitely to SF, and get a new weapon in Vucevic to change the games when TT is benched.

Any valid trade on those?

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 03:34 PM
New here but just looking at a few Love trades:

Love for W.Chandler, Faried, Mudiay
- Nuggets get combo with Jokic, and no more logjam at wings
- Love goes from 3rd to 2nd option
- Cavs get modern 4, rebound and spark off bench, and playmaking at sub-PG

Love for McCollum, Aminu, Ezeli
- Blazers try new without Lillard+McCollum (new big 3 - lillard, love, nurkic - and still plenty of bodies at wing positions)
- Cavs get more playmaking in CJ, def specialist in Aminu and bigger body in Ezeli

Love for A.Gordon and Vucevic
- Magic definiton at frontcourt (Byombo+Love = Def+Off)
- Cavs get younger to cover KD, slide Lebron definitely to SF, and get a new weapon in Vucevic to change the games when TT is benched.

Any valid trade on those?

These are all bad trades.

rjcv177
06-13-2017, 03:39 PM
just avoiding the unrealistic PG or Butler!

As Stephen A.Smith
"a lot of executives are saving their jobs doing nothing!"

J-Relo
06-13-2017, 03:57 PM
Lebron should play at the 4 more, leaving less minutes for Love and Thomson. Thompson will most likely not bring a good value in a trade, so as much as I like Love, his current impact could be replaced easier by opening some trade possibilities. For example there is a guy called Motiejunas on the market at this point probably for a min salary due to his previous injuries and not the best outcome of the small part of the season in Pelicans, but he can shoot, he is quite good playing back to the basket and most importantly - he is a decent passer and the ball movement is something they miss when Lebron is out. Even-though taking Motiejunas is a gamble, that may open a reasonable option to trade Love for good wing player, preferably two-way player.

I do not see how Melo could really help, because CAVS would still be exposed on D and I see no Battier/Artest type of players in the market at this point to cover that up. They would be better off with George or Butler, with George giving more length he seems a better fit, but is Love enough?

Apart from the wing player they need a big athletic body in the paint in the case of big line-ups. The development of a guy who broke his arm/hand is something interesting to watch, so this might be covered without much work. Of course shooter are always welcome, Korver may stick for the next season, but he has to improve, and they should find more shooting power replacing Williams.

GoferKing_
06-13-2017, 04:25 PM
So awesome you got that sweet package you knew you'd get for Boogie huh?

Sweeter than Love for Boogie. ;)

Good luck unloading him for some help. :D

FOXHOUND
06-13-2017, 04:32 PM
New here but just looking at a few Love trades:

Love for W.Chandler, Faried, Mudiay
- Nuggets get combo with Jokic, and no more logjam at wings
- Love goes from 3rd to 2nd option
- Cavs get modern 4, rebound and spark off bench, and playmaking at sub-PG

Love for McCollum, Aminu, Ezeli
- Blazers try new without Lillard+McCollum (new big 3 - lillard, love, nurkic - and still plenty of bodies at wing positions)
- Cavs get more playmaking in CJ, def specialist in Aminu and bigger body in Ezeli

Love for A.Gordon and Vucevic
- Magic definiton at frontcourt (Byombo+Love = Def+Off)
- Cavs get younger to cover KD, slide Lebron definitely to SF, and get a new weapon in Vucevic to change the games when TT is benched.

Any valid trade on those?

These are the most realistic trades in this thread, but even then I don't think so.

Denver and Orlando are too young to trade for a 29-year old win now player like Love, as they have to beat GS/CLE to do so. I can see Portland maybe doing a trade like that if the Nurkic trade never happened. Two guards + one big fits much better than one guard + two bigs, IMO. They have some proven chemistry together and success with that strong post break record so I imagine they will want to try and build on that rather than shake everything up.

How about Houston? Is Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson for Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson realistic? I feel like Ariza is too important for Houston as their only true impact SF and wing defender and that D'Antoni doesn't like players posting so Anderson basically already does what he would ask of Love lol.

Anything with OKC? Eh, I don't know.

It seems hard to match because it would likely be a western conference team. It doesn't make sense for an east team to trade for Love to try and beat Cleveland while strengthening them at the same time. What western team looking to contend has a need for a 1st/2nd option PF, an expendable athletic defender on the wing, maybe another big to trade to fill in for Love and the cap space to make it all work that achieves the proper value? :confused:

MILLERHIGHLIFE
06-13-2017, 04:51 PM
I could see a 3 way trade. Where Melo goes to Cavs. Love to Blazers for picks and salary fillers to the Knicks. Pretty much get the banana boat thing going on. Irving for CP3 and get Melo. Then maybe Wade would want in. But he'd have to come on the cheap. That's if he wanted a ring. But Wade took a little discount to get the big 3 in Miami. Maybe he does the favor to help LeBron out before they both fade out completely within 3 years. Only thing is though breaking up Cavs big3 for banana boat is they get older fast. Which is good for me though. Then my Bucks window opens a little sooner then 3 years. Heck i'd even try a Irving and Love for Westbrook. Cavs go with big 2 then.

mrblisterdundee
06-13-2017, 05:03 PM
Love for A.Gordon and Vucevic
- Magic definiton at frontcourt (Byombo+Love = Def+Off)
- Cavs get younger to cover KD, slide Lebron definitely to SF, and get a new weapon in Vucevic to change the games when TT is benched.

I was thinking Love for Vucevic and Ross — maybe add Hezonja, if the Cavaliers are willing to give up another young asset.
Love spreads the floor in Orlando and allows Biyombo to earn some of that huge contract. Gordon is constrained from playing power forward but will have more room to operate in the post and less pressure to make shots.
Vucevic could be the second-best post scorer and best rebounder on the Cavaliers, and he's a few years younger than Love and on a much cheaper contract. Ross, only 25, provides another bench spark plug, or even a staring small forward. He's at least a decent three-point shooter.

mrblisterdundee
06-13-2017, 05:05 PM
Jonathan Tjarks of The Ringer suggested that the Cavaliers trade Love and Turkish prospect Cedi Osman for George (https://theringer.com/nba-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-kevin-love-paul-george-29a4b6026666) to catch up with the Warriors and the Pacers to remain relevant with the near-certainty of George's departure.

DanG
06-13-2017, 05:06 PM
Love for Bradley, Crowder, Zeller makes sense.

Celtics can pick Fultz, get their PF, solve their rebounding problem and also have a better chance of signing Hayward.

IT
Fultz
Hayward
Love
Horford

If you trade Love you NEED to convince Zach Randolph to come otherwise you're getting raped on the boards. And sign PJ Tucker.

Kyrie/Shumpert
Bradley/Smith
Crowder/Tucker
LeBron/Randolph
TT/Zeller

This is a much better team than this year.

1) Better bench. Shump, Smith, Tucker, Randolph, Zeller vs Williams, Shumpert, Korver, Jefferson, Frye
2) More defenders. 6 good defenders (Bradley, TT, LeBron, Crowder, Shumpert, Tucker) vs 3 good defenders this year. More bodies to throw at KD which means more rest for LeBron.
3) You actually have a 7' footer than can produce.

But you have to be physical and slow the game down, you can't beat the Warriors at their own game.

warfelg
06-13-2017, 05:06 PM
I could see a 3 way trade. Where Melo goes to Cavs. Love to Blazers for picks and salary fillers to the Knicks. Pretty much get the banana boat thing going on. Irving for CP3 and get Melo. Then maybe Wade would want in. But he'd have to come on the cheap. That's if he wanted a ring. But Wade took a little discount to get the big 3 in Miami. Maybe he does the favor to help LeBron out before they both fade out completely within 3 years. Only thing is though breaking up Cavs big3 for banana boat is they get older fast. Which is good for me though. Then my Bucks window opens a little sooner then 3 years. Heck i'd even try a Irving and Love for Westbrook. Cavs go with big 2 then.

I was trying to find a trade that could send Love to OKC and keep Westbrook there, and a third about to rebuild team sending something decent to the Cavs.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
06-13-2017, 05:15 PM
I don't anything about Osman. But Pacers easily decline PG13 for Love. Yeah PG13 might have Pacers over a barrel if he bolts to Lakers. Time is ticking. So I guess if that's the only offer on the table I guess Pacers could always reroute Love to Blazers for 2 or 3 of those first round picks and salary filler and rebuild and tank next season. Build around their young center in Turner. That's what I would do.

MJNetsIsles
06-13-2017, 05:31 PM
Kevin Love should be traded. I don't see how they can trade Kyrie Irving, he's on a good contract and one of the better PGs in the league. He'll stay put.

Scoots
06-13-2017, 05:31 PM
The one you deleted is better than the one you didn't.

Infraction seems warranted.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 05:36 PM
I don't anything about Osman. But Pacers easily decline PG13 for Love. Yeah PG13 might have Pacers over a barrel if he bolts to Lakers. Time is ticking. So I guess if that's the only offer on the table I guess Pacers could always reroute Love to Blazers for 2 or 3 of those first round picks and salary filler and rebuild and tank next season. Build around their young center in Turner. That's what I would do.

Why would they decline Love for PG? I mean, they aren't getting better offers outside of Boston so there isn't much demand for PG at the moment.

mrblisterdundee
06-13-2017, 05:41 PM
I don't anything about Osman. But Pacers easily decline PG13 for Love. Yeah PG13 might have Pacers over a barrel if he bolts to Lakers. Time is ticking. So I guess if that's the only offer on the table I guess Pacers could always reroute Love to Blazers for 2 or 3 of those first round picks and salary filler and rebuild and tank next season. Build around their young center in Turner. That's what I would do.

I've read that Bird doesn't like to rebuild. If that's the case, then Love would at least keep them somewhat relevant. He and Turner sound like a decent front court pairing — of course, Turner fits well with basically any front court player.
Tjarks also argues that the shooting in that front court would open up more driving lanes for guys like Ellis and Stephenson. That's where he sort of lost me.

IndyRealist
06-13-2017, 05:42 PM
They had a better offer at the deadline and refused. Kevin Pritchard would probably role the dice that Paul George stays rather than trade him for Love.

"....as he [George] has reportedly not given the Pacers any indication he’s willing to sign with them long-term." That is a PATENTLY untrue statement according to Kevin Pritchard's statements about his exit interview, which George has not disputed. George has always said the same thing, that he wants to be in Indiana competing for a championship. It's up to the organization to put together a contender. "Near certainty" is LA sportswriters talking.

IndyRealist
06-13-2017, 05:43 PM
I've read that Bird doesn't like to rebuild. If that's the case, then Love would at least keep them somewhat relevant. He and Turner sound like a decent front court pairing — of course, Turner fits well with basically any front court player.
Tjarks also argues that the shooting in that front court would open up more driving lanes for guys like Ellis and Stephenson. That's where he sort of lost me.

Bird's gone. Kevin Pritchard stepped into his job. I don't think Turner and Love fit at all. Turner needs a paint protector and rebounder next to him. Turner blocks shots but he doesn't look to force misses and will let players by to try and get the swat.

kdspurman
06-13-2017, 05:49 PM
Looks like this will lead to a 2 week vacation for him

WaDe03
06-13-2017, 06:01 PM
It's entirely possible if they play their cards right.

I think a Kyrie for PG is easily do-able.
Love for Butler makes damn sense considering he's a better fit with Rondo than Butler is and they are lacking a PF.
The Melo one is tricky because no one knows what the Knicks are doing at all. They can give up TT and Shump for Melo if the Knicks really wanted to get rid of Melo but then again, how would it make sense considering the Knicks just spent money on Noah last season. I'm not sure what happens as they can go many routes with this one. As bad as Love was in the Finals, his trade value is very high for some very desperate teams. Kyrie is probably one of the best trade pieces in this league. His contract has him getting paid $18 million per year for the next three years and he's still improving.

But to be honest, PG+Butler+Melo+LeBron isn't a really good team at all. They're too undersized and ball-dominant that it makes zero sense.

Love for Butler for sure wouldn't happen. The only way PG or Butler are traded is if it's for very high picks or a young up and coming star (Kyrie) or superstar. You have no chance of Butler with Love, not even close.

WaDe03
06-13-2017, 06:01 PM
I do feel Loves time is up though. He's just consistently played below expectations in the finals.

Crackadalic
06-13-2017, 06:12 PM
Think bogut would have made a little difference? Actually forget he was on the cavs lol too bad he got hurt

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 06:19 PM
Love for Butler for sure wouldn't happen. The only way PG or Butler are traded is if it's for very high picks or a young up and coming star (Kyrie) or superstar. You have no chance of Butler with Love, not even close.

That's why you leverage Kyrie instead. I don't do a Kyrie for Butler, though. That three point shooting ability is key against these Warriors. For that reason, I'd take PG over Butler.

Westbrook36
06-13-2017, 06:20 PM
It's entirely possible if they play their cards right.

I think a Kyrie for PG is easily do-able.
Love for Butler makes damn sense considering he's a better fit with Rondo than Butler is and they are lacking a PF.
The Melo one is tricky because no one knows what the Knicks are doing at all. They can give up TT and Shump for Melo if the Knicks really wanted to get rid of Melo but then again, how would it make sense considering the Knicks just spent money on Noah last season. I'm not sure what happens as they can go many routes with this one. As bad as Love was in the Finals, his trade value is very high for some very desperate teams. Kyrie is probably one of the best trade pieces in this league. His contract has him getting paid $18 million per year for the next three years and he's still improving.

But to be honest, PG+Butler+Melo+LeBron isn't a really good team at all. They're too undersized and ball-dominant that it makes zero sense.

Trying to cater to Rondo who has one year left, aging, and quite frankly is a subpar player makes zero sense. I imagine if the Bulls are going to move Butler it'll be for young talent and picks to start the rebuild.

The Knicks gave away Shumpert and Smith for free..Doubt they'd want either of them back for Melo. Though at this point his value has been shot completely so that's a little more likely.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 06:25 PM
Trying to cater to Rondo who has one year left, aging, and quite frankly is a subpar player makes zero sense. I imagine if the Bulls are going to move Butler it'll be for young talent and picks to start the rebuild.

The Knicks gave away Shumpert and Smith for free..Doubt they'd want either of them back for Melo. Though at this point his value has been shot completely so that's a little more likely.

Or they can keep a clearly frustrated Butler on the roster. I mean, I don't see how they win anyways without making changes. The Bulls are steps behind the Celtics and Wizards let alone the Cavs. This season only furthers that gap with Boston having available cap.

Fla.SticKy
06-13-2017, 06:30 PM
1st off Pacers are not trading PG for Love, some of these trades that were posted are ludicrous. Cleveland has Lebron, the need to just focus on assembling a team that has a legit chance at beating Golden State, because that's what it's going to come down to. Will Lebron opt out and take less money to add help? Maybe sign a 2 year player option? If they move Love to get a star there will assuredly have to be multiple teams involved. What about moving Thompson to clear up some money? Rudy Gay just opted out, how bad does he want a ring? Does Wade come to Cleveland and return the favor and help LeBron get past GS?

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 06:33 PM
1st off Pacers are not trading PG for Love, some of these trades that were posted are ludicrous. Cleveland has Lebron, the need to just focus on assembling a team that has a legit chance at beating Golden State, because that's what it's going to come down to. Will Lebron opt out and take less money to add help? Maybe sign a 2 year player option? If they move Love to get a star there will assuredly have to be multiple teams involved. What about moving Thompson to clear up some money? Rudy Gay just opted out, how bad does he want a ring? Does Wade come to Cleveland and return the favor and help LeBron get past GS?

You gave absolutely zero reasons why Pacers wouldn't take that trade.. And it's laughable that you think Wade can help the Cavs overcome that hump. Rudy Gay? My God, what are you saying.

GoferKing_
06-13-2017, 06:44 PM
1st off Pacers are not trading PG for Love, some of these trades that were posted are ludicrous. Cleveland has Lebron, the need to just focus on assembling a team that has a legit chance at beating Golden State, because that's what it's going to come down to. Will Lebron opt out and take less money to add help? Maybe sign a 2 year player option? If they move Love to get a star there will assuredly have to be multiple teams involved. What about moving Thompson to clear up some money? Rudy Gay just opted out, how bad does he want a ring? Does Wade come to Cleveland and return the favor and help LeBron get past GS?

People think that teams line up and give their best players to the Cavs to help Lebron for shiet and fries.xD

likemystylez
06-13-2017, 06:50 PM
You're not beating the Warriors with this team. By your logic, every team should just "man up" and not make any moves. That's not what the Warriors did last year when they signed KD.

Warriors were in a situation where they were going to be forced to pay Harrison barnes 25 million a year.... which is ridiculous. At that point, you might as well explore your options and see what else is on the market for a comparable price.


But all the people who say kd made a ***** move- are basically suggesting he shoulda stayed pat and hoped for the best rather than do everything possible to put himself in a position to succeed

Fla.SticKy
06-13-2017, 06:54 PM
You gave absolutely zero reasons why Pacers wouldn't take that trade.. And it's laughable that you think Wade can help the Cavs overcome that hump. Rudy Gay? My God, what are you saying.

Thought you might get that it's pretty obvious that if they do move PG they could get a whole lot more than Love. LA (where George wants to play) would be willing to offer a whole lot more than Kevin Love. Boston and Miami could both offer a better deal also (Boston without coming off this year's first pick). If you don't think Wade & Gay can be 10x better role players than what Cleveland has now then there no making you get it.

Kevin Love is not what some people make him out to be, meaning his value isn't where some think it is. If the Pacers truly shop Paul George, they can get more than just Kevin Love.

Love could be a piece and a George trade, but there will have to be other teams involved. It won't be a straight up Love for PG deal.

nysportsfan23
06-13-2017, 07:02 PM
I still think my trade idea works. Melo to cavs, Love to lakers, young Russell brewer picks to Knicks. Maybe you reconfigure it so cavs get another piece or two. Knicks do it to get a young player in Russell and another pick, move on. Lakers do it to clear pg position for potential star ball, add star in love, still have pieces to do a George trade. Then you're looking at a ball/love/George and maybe also Ingram core four. Cavs do it to add instant offense, having two of melo/lebron/Irving on floor at all times eliminates offensive lulls. If lebron can somehow get wade to take the mid level and make it up to him under the table, you have a melo/wade/lebron/kyrie led squad.

MJNetsIsles
06-13-2017, 07:13 PM
Why would the Knicks trade Carmelo when 1 year from now they can lure Lebron to NY with a core of Rose Carmelo and Porzingis plus the #8 pick they select this year and Phil Jackson who had Kobe and Jordan. Some of you arm chair clutch GMs should keep your day job.

hugepatsfan
06-13-2017, 07:32 PM
How many Cavs improvement threads do we need in the NBA forum?

It's probably the only interesting storyline on a league wide basis so I say as many as we can fit.

nysportsfan23
06-13-2017, 07:33 PM
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic. Lebron to Knicks, plus the Knicks keep rose? Smh. By the time the Knicks rehabilitate their organizational image, lebron will be retired. If he leaves Cleveland signs overwhelmingly point to LA.

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 07:38 PM
Thought you might get that it's pretty obvious that if they do move PG they could get a whole lot more than Love. LA (where George wants to play) would be willing to offer a whole lot more than Kevin Love. Boston and Miami could both offer a better deal also (Boston without coming off this year's first pick). If you don't think Wade & Gay can be 10x better role players than what Cleveland has now then there no making you get it.

Kevin Love is not what some people make him out to be, meaning his value isn't where some think it is. If the Pacers truly shop Paul George, they can get more than just Kevin Love.

Love could be a piece and a George trade, but there will have to be other teams involved. It won't be a straight up Love for PG deal.

Of course it wouldn't. The salary doesn't match up. Pacers actually have to give something back. But the Pacers are getting a damn good deal if George is leaving anyways. It's becoming a trend where you have to give up your piece and settle for something less or you get nothing.

MJNetsIsles
06-13-2017, 07:49 PM
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic. Lebron to Knicks, plus the Knicks keep rose? Smh. By the time the Knicks rehabilitate their organizational image, lebron will be retired. If he leaves Cleveland signs overwhelmingly point to LA.

A lot can happen between now and then. He'll be in NY.

That's my guess

FlashBolt
06-13-2017, 08:07 PM
How many Cavs improvement threads do we need in the NBA forum?

why not just create an official thread?

Scoots
06-13-2017, 08:17 PM
I agree.

My only concern would be Paul's health (if I'm CLE)

If I'm Cleveland I'm concerned with Kyrie's health too.

smith&wesson
06-13-2017, 08:17 PM
Turner is really not good enough to build around. At all..

Boston going to keep their picks and sign Hayward.

PG will be traded to the blazers or cavs.. willing to bet on it.

smith&wesson
06-13-2017, 08:19 PM
Why would they decline Love for PG? I mean, they aren't getting better offers outside of Boston so there isn't much demand for PG at the moment.

+1 they really wont do any better than that for a 1 year rental of PG

WaDe03
06-13-2017, 08:39 PM
Wade would definitely get them a boost but not a 3 game in a series boost. With Wade I think he can add a win though and he may have been key in helping them close game 3. Hopefully he goes for the MLE. I do like the idea of Kyrie for Butler or PG and flipping love for CP3 if CP3 says he's leaving.

WaDe03
06-13-2017, 08:42 PM
No way love gets you PG or Butler. That would 100% have to be Kyrie. Love could potentially get you CP3 though if he says he's leaving. The Bulls and Pacers by trading one of PG or Butler for Love are doing nothing for their franchises. They trade for a worse player with no future upside. No shot.

A lesser name the Cavs should go after, especially if one of Shump JR or Korver are gone is CJ Miles. He fits good and is an above average role player imo.

mavwar53
06-13-2017, 08:54 PM
Can anyone give me a reason that the clippers make this deal other than Kyrie is younger? If I'm the Clippers I want controllable players, players that have not been RFAs yet, if I'm giving up on winning now then what is Kyrie doing for me?

CP3 and a Wesley Johnson to Minny for Wiggins and Dunn, Rubio, and a 1st.

CP3
Levine
FA (Shooter)
Dieng
Towns

That could cause some trouble in the west and at least give the Clippers some sort of chance at a future, kyrie could leave after what, 2 or 3 years and if the clips are not winning they are back to the joke of the town.

I don't see why CP3 doesn't go to SA anyways though.

mavwar53
06-13-2017, 08:57 PM
It would be cold though if CP3 to leave LA after he and the rest of the team got on their knees to bring DJ back from signing with the mavs.

da ThRONe
06-13-2017, 08:59 PM
Can anyone give me a reason that the clippers make this deal other than Kyrie is younger? If I'm the Clippers I want controllable players, players that have not been RFAs yet, if I'm giving up on winning now then what is Kyrie doing for me?

CP3 and a Wesley Johnson to Minny for Wiggins and Dunn, Rubio, and a 1st.

CP3
Levine
FA (Shooter)
Dieng
Towns

That could cause some trouble in the west and at least give the Clippers some sort of chance at a future, kyrie could leave after what, 2 or 3 years and if the clips are not winning they are back to the joke of the town.

I don't see why CP3 doesn't go to SA anyways though.

Paul would have to agree with any S&T. Why would he go to the Wolves?

GREATNESS ONE
06-13-2017, 08:59 PM
Trade Love for Cousins.

IKnowHoops
06-13-2017, 09:57 PM
What do you think about a potential:

CP3+DJ for Kyrie+TT+Shump
Love for PG
Love+J.R. for Melo
Love for Cousins

So we could be looking at:

CP3+DJ+LeBron+Cousins or Melo or PG

Cap works out. I'd say go for Cousins but the banana boat nonsense might have them going after Melo - which I think is plain stupid but it's still better than Kevin Love.

I would be open to a cp3 + DJ for Kyrie/Shump/TT.

Trade Love for Paul George

Work something out for Melo

PG CP3
SG PG13
SF Melo
PF. Bron
C. DJ

That's a team that can match GS

More-Than-Most
06-13-2017, 10:02 PM
ive been calling for this for a looooooong time

TrueFan420
06-13-2017, 10:10 PM
DJ can't be included in a deal if it's a sign and trade for CP3

Nikeman
06-13-2017, 11:46 PM
PG13 holds all the cards here.

If he says he will only go to a Cleveland, nobody is going to give too much value for a one year rental. The Pacers do hold some power though in that they can say no, and then then he could not go to Cleveland because they can't sign him.

But the Pacers would be fools to pass up Kevin Love to spite PG13.

LeBron basically needs to convince PG he can lead them to the promise land

Nikeman
06-13-2017, 11:56 PM
Can anyone give me a reason that the clippers make this deal other than Kyrie is younger? If I'm the Clippers I want controllable players, players that have not been RFAs yet, if I'm giving up on winning now then what is Kyrie doing for me?

CP3 and a Wesley Johnson to Minny for Wiggins and Dunn, Rubio, and a 1st.

CP3
Levine
FA (Shooter)
Dieng
Towns

That could cause some trouble in the west and at least give the Clippers some sort of chance at a future, kyrie could leave after what, 2 or 3 years and if the clips are not winning they are back to the joke of the town.

I don't see why CP3 doesn't go to SA anyways though.

The Clippers make this deal because Paul is a FA. They can either risk losing him for nothing at all, or get Kyrie from Cleveland if Paul says hey work a S&T for me because I'm leaving regardless.

I like Flashbolts suggestion a lot to be honest. LeBron needs to get on the phone like Draymond did for KD.

The first step is to convince Paul George. I trade Kevin Love for PG13 first. You don't make the Kyrie trade first because he's 25, and your 2nd best player. paul, love, and LBJ still does not beat GS.

Once you make that move, you do the Kyrie + TT +Shump for Paul and DJ.

DJ would eat GS alive on the glass and in the paint. Problem is the hack a DJ strategy for GS.

This could work because Paul is a FA, and PG13 does not want Indiana. Both of them could in a way force their way to Cleveland if they strongly desire. I doubt this happens, but this is one of the few ways I could see the Cavs compete, but again this isn't 2K GM mode.

Nikeman
06-13-2017, 11:57 PM
DJ can't be included in a deal if it's a sign and trade for CP3

Whys that?

Stunner
06-14-2017, 12:00 AM
If PG tries to force his way to the Cavs he essentially becomes what KD is in terms of going to a team that kicked his *** a bunch.

da ThRONe
06-14-2017, 12:08 AM
Whys that?

S&T can only be for the player signing the new contract.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-14-2017, 12:43 AM
They had a better offer at the deadline and refused. Kevin Pritchard would probably role the dice that Paul George stays rather than trade him for Love.

"....as he [George] has reportedly not given the Pacers any indication he’s willing to sign with them long-term." That is a PATENTLY untrue statement according to Kevin Pritchard's statements about his exit interview, which George has not disputed. George has always said the same thing, that he wants to be in Indiana competing for a championship. It's up to the organization to put together a contender. "Near certainty" is LA sportswriters talking.

Well of course George isn't going to come out and say that he's looking to leave. I don't even think Melo did that at the end of his Denver days IIRC lol.


But I think the Pacers keep George unless they get the #2 pick and Ingram from the Lakers. The other deals out there aren't worth it, and I'd take the risk that he could be eligible for the megamax.

IKnowHoops
06-14-2017, 12:52 AM
I'm hoping for this trade. Will be huge. PG13 is a straight G. Cavs need this bad, but they need to make more moves. CP3's age scares me, but I like getting DJ for Tristan. Lob city goes to another level with...

CP3
PG13
Melo
Bron
DJ

GREATNESS ONE
06-14-2017, 12:59 AM
If PG tries to force his way to the Cavs he essentially becomes what KD is in terms of going to a team that kicked his *** a bunch.

Everyone is doing it! Super team assembled!

smith&wesson
06-14-2017, 01:19 AM
Pg can go to the cavs for a few years and still go to the lakers when hes 31 and by then their core will be ready to compete too.. its a win win for them

Mave1002
06-14-2017, 01:20 AM
I'm hoping for this trade. Will be huge. PG13 is a straight G. Cavs need this bad, but they need to make more moves. CP3's age scares me, but I like getting DJ for Tristan. Lob city goes to another level with...

CP3
PG13
Melo
Bron
DJ

Then they go against the Warriors again? That would be very embarrassing for the entire league.

IKnowHoops
06-14-2017, 03:01 AM
Id actually rather have Wiggins than Melo.

Love to the Wolves for Wiggins, Dunn, Dieng

Kyrie for PG 13

TT,Shump,Picks for Jimmy Butler

PG Lebron/Dunn
SG Wiggins/JR Smith
SF Butler/
PF PG13
C

Thats what you build around with free agents. Some guys out there I would add are

Zach Randolph
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Jonathan Simmons
Dwayne Dedmon
Willie Reed(Love this guy as the Cavs starting Center next year. Dude is an athlete) Playing with Lebron would make him nasty.


So now we are at

PG Lebron/Dunn
SG Wiggins/JR Smith
SF Butler/Hardaway Jr./Korver
PF PG 13/Zach Randolph
C Willie Reed/Dwayne Dedmon/Frye

This should be the formula and the goal of Cleveland if they want to beat GS next season.

GoferKing_
06-14-2017, 03:15 AM
Why would they decline Love for PG? I mean, they aren't getting better offers outside of Boston so there isn't much demand for PG at the moment.

Why would they do it? They have no chance winning or even going to ECF. They need young players and assets to develope, not washed up Love.

GoferKing_
06-14-2017, 03:17 AM
I'm hoping for this trade. Will be huge. PG13 is a straight G. Cavs need this bad, but they need to make more moves. CP3's age scares me, but I like getting DJ for Tristan. Lob city goes to another level with...

CP3
PG13
Melo
Bron
DJ

Damn, another day, another delusional post form you. Nice laugh. :hi5:

GoferKing_
06-14-2017, 03:23 AM
Id actually rather have Wiggins than Melo.

Love to the Wolves for Wiggins, Dunn, Dieng

Kyrie for PG 13

TT,Shump,Picks for Jimmy Butler

PG Lebron/Dunn
SG Wiggins/JR Smith
SF Butler/
PF PG13
C

Thats what you build around with free agents. Some guys out there I would add are

Zach Randolph
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Jonathan Simmons
Dwayne Dedmon
Willie Reed(Love this guy as the Cavs starting Center next year. Dude is an athlete) Playing with Lebron would make him nasty.


So now we are at

PG Lebron/Dunn
SG Wiggins/JR Smith
SF Butler/Hardaway Jr./Korver
PF PG 13/Zach Randolph
C Willie Reed/Dwayne Dedmon/Frye

This should be the formula and the goal of Cleveland if they want to beat GS next season.

Phenomenal. :hi5:

smith&wesson
06-14-2017, 03:25 AM
Why would they do it? They have no chance winning or even going to ECF. They need young players and assets to develope, not washed up Love.

Because they likely wont get a better offer. Do you let PG ealk for free or get the best asset back possible? Bostons going for Hayward and want to draft Fults. Bird already messed up that deal...

smith&wesson
06-14-2017, 03:27 AM
Then they go against the Warriors again? That would be very embarrassing for the entire league.

You realize thats like 4 moves right ? How are they getting PG and Melo? Why would the clips trade DJ for Thompson? And wheres the money coming from to sign Paul?

FOXHOUND
06-14-2017, 04:02 AM
Trade Machine Crazy: Knicks, Cavs, Blazers, Thunder

Thunder fit in need, both needing a PF and a top offensive player to help Westbrook there. However, they don't really have notable assets to trade beyond the #21 pick and Alex Abrines and lack any wing defenders as Roberson is a RFA.

Blazers have the assets and the expendable wing players but don't have the need for another scorer who doesn't do much on D when they already having Lillard and McCollum. They also have serious cap issues.

This is where the Knicks come in with Melo + the cap space to absorb bad contracts.

Knicks trade Carmelo Anthony $30.3M
Knicks receive Enes Kanter $17.8M, Allen Crabbe $19.3M, Maurice Harkless $10.1M, #15, #20, #26 - $47.2M

Cavaliers trade Kevin Love $22.6M, Iman Shumpert $10.3M, Channing Frye $7.4M - $40.3M
Cavaliers receive Carmelo Anthony $30.3M, Al-Farouq Aminu $7.3M, #21 - $37.6M

Blazers trade Allen Crabbe $19.3M, Maurice Harkless $10.1M, Al-Farouq Aminu $7.3M, #15, #20, #26 - $36.7M
Blazers receive Iman Shumpert $10.3M, Channing Frye $7.4M, Alex Abrines $5.7M - $23.4M

Thunder trade Enes Kanter $17.8M, Alex Abrines $5.7M, #21 - $23.5M
Thunder receive Kevin Love $22.6M

Knicks waive/send down Maurice N'Dour, Chasson Randle and Marshall Plumlee - $92.4M salary after trade, but before draft
Draft Picks: #8, #15, #20, #26, #45, #58

Baker
Lee-Crabbe
Thomas-Harkless-Kuzminskas
Porzingis-Kanter
Hernangomez-O'Quinn-Noah

Probably make some trades after to consolidate assets/clear additional roster spots. Something like Lee + #15 to Detroit for #12 and Morris or just combining picks to trade up.

Cavs - $125.3M salary after trade, before draft
Draft Picks: #21, probably used on Terrence Ferguson

Irving-vet min guy-Felder
JR-Ferguson
LeBron-Aminu-Jefferson
Melo-Aminu/LeBron
Thompson-vet min guy

Blazers waive Festus Ezeli - $107.9M salary after trade, additional $17.7M next year comes off from Shump + Frye on top of $36.3M from Crabbe, Harkless and Aminu being gone. $92.8M salary entering 2018 offseason with Nurkic cap hold in account.
Draft Picks: None.

Lillard-Napier
McCollum-Abrines
Shumpert-Turner
Vonleh-Davis-Frye
Nurkic-Leonard-Frye

Thunder - $108M salary after trade, before draft.
Draft picks: None.

Westbrook-Christon
Oladipo
Grant-McDermott-Singler
Love-Sabonis/Grant
Adams-Sabonis

They decide whether or not to bring back Roberson in RFA, Taj in FA with Bird's Rights. At that point, probably attractive enough to get some decent vet min guys.

That's the best Frankenstein's monster I can create in this, I think. :laugh2:

Knicks take advantage of eating up cap space in coming years to stockpile picks in a strong draft. While they add an enormous $30M in the next couple of years, they at least get Crabbe and Harkless who are young and can be good depth players at the same time. Nobody touches Turner's useless *** lol. Despite this, they would still enter next offseason with $15M+ of cap space.

Cavs spread out Love to add much needed youth/depth and don't miss out on any of his offense in adding Melo. Aminu is a strong and athletic 3/4 defender to combine in a three headed 3/4 rotation. Ferguson is a long term replacement for JR, who can be waived after 18-19 to clear $12M, and in the short term gives them another long, athletic 3/D wing player in their rotation.

Portland unloads a stupid amount of cap space for now and the coming years while getting Abrines as basically their draft pick this year in exchange for their three 1sts. Shumpert as a 1-year 3/D stop gap still allows them to compete for the postseason. They would have cap space as soon as next year to make a small signing, likely at SF as Turner should never start.

OKC makes out like bandits, but somebody usually does to facilitate these 3-4 team trades.

GoferKing_
06-14-2017, 04:29 AM
Because they likely wont get a better offer. Do you let PG ealk for free or get the best asset back possible? Bostons going for Hayward and want to draft Fults. Bird already messed up that deal...

Yes, I would rather let him go fo free, have cap space, be bad to get draft picks, develope, than getting an aging rapidly washed up Love. Love is no asset for a team that is medicore.

superwill
06-14-2017, 04:37 AM
Why would Dan Gilbert do that especially since he didn't make any trades during the season and let's say George, LeBron, and Irving don't get it done and Cleveland is left Irving and Thompson if I'm Dan I take my chances with what I got and if LeBron leave I got Irving and Love

superwill
06-14-2017, 04:47 AM
Here is a good guy they can pick up Tony Allen Cleveland needs defense not more offense and find a defensive backup point like the one they let get away to the Buck's

Hopper15
06-14-2017, 04:53 AM
Pacers need draftpicks if they trade Paul George. Cavs aren't a good trading partner unless they find a third team like Boston to include draftpicks in a trade.

IndyRealist
06-14-2017, 04:54 AM
Well of course George isn't going to come out and say that he's looking to leave. I don't even think Melo did that at the end of his Denver days IIRC lol.


But I think the Pacers keep George unless they get the #2 pick and Ingram from the Lakers. The other deals out there aren't worth it, and I'd take the risk that he could be eligible for the megamax.

And yet here we are with "sources" saying PG is bolting to LA, and that it's a "near-certainty". This article and every one like it are all hypothetical. But people read them as at least rumors if not the truth, because people can't tell the difference between opinion and facts anymore.

GoferKing_
06-14-2017, 05:11 AM
Pacers need draftpicks if they trade Paul George. Cavs aren't a good trading partner unless they find a third team like Boston to include draftpicks in a trade.

:clap:

Scoots
06-14-2017, 08:35 AM
Trade Machine Crazy: Knicks, Cavs, Blazers, Thunder

Thunder fit in need, both needing a PF and a top offensive player to help Westbrook there. However, they don't really have notable assets to trade beyond the #21 pick and Alex Abrines and lack any wing defenders as Roberson is a RFA.

Blazers have the assets and the expendable wing players but don't have the need for another scorer who doesn't do much on D when they already having Lillard and McCollum. They also have serious cap issues.

This is where the Knicks come in with Melo + the cap space to absorb bad contracts.

Knicks trade Carmelo Anthony $30.3M
Knicks receive Enes Kanter $17.8M, Allen Crabbe $19.3M, Maurice Harkless $10.1M, #15, #20, #26 - $47.2M

Cavaliers trade Kevin Love $22.6M, Iman Shumpert $10.3M, Channing Frye $7.4M - $40.3M
Cavaliers receive Carmelo Anthony $30.3M, Al-Farouq Aminu $7.3M, #21 - $37.6M

Blazers trade Allen Crabbe $19.3M, Maurice Harkless $10.1M, Al-Farouq Aminu $7.3M, #15, #20, #26 - $36.7M
Blazers receive Iman Shumpert $10.3M, Channing Frye $7.4M, Alex Abrines $5.7M - $23.4M

Thunder trade Enes Kanter $17.8M, Alex Abrines $5.7M, #21 - $23.5M
Thunder receive Kevin Love $22.6M

Knicks waive/send down Maurice N'Dour, Chasson Randle and Marshall Plumlee - $92.4M salary after trade, but before draft
Draft Picks: #8, #15, #20, #26, #45, #58

Baker
Lee-Crabbe
Thomas-Harkless-Kuzminskas
Porzingis-Kanter
Hernangomez-O'Quinn-Noah

Probably make some trades after to consolidate assets/clear additional roster spots. Something like Lee + #15 to Detroit for #12 and Morris or just combining picks to trade up.

Cavs - $125.3M salary after trade, before draft
Draft Picks: #21, probably used on Terrence Ferguson

Irving-vet min guy-Felder
JR-Ferguson
LeBron-Aminu-Jefferson
Melo-Aminu/LeBron
Thompson-vet min guy

Blazers waive Festus Ezeli - $107.9M salary after trade, additional $17.7M next year comes off from Shump + Frye on top of $36.3M from Crabbe, Harkless and Aminu being gone. $92.8M salary entering 2018 offseason with Nurkic cap hold in account.
Draft Picks: None.

Lillard-Napier
McCollum-Abrines
Shumpert-Turner
Vonleh-Davis-Frye
Nurkic-Leonard-Frye

Thunder - $108M salary after trade, before draft.
Draft picks: None.

Westbrook-Christon
Oladipo
Grant-McDermott-Singler
Love-Sabonis/Grant
Adams-Sabonis

They decide whether or not to bring back Roberson in RFA, Taj in FA with Bird's Rights. At that point, probably attractive enough to get some decent vet min guys.

That's the best Frankenstein's monster I can create in this, I think. :laugh2:

Knicks take advantage of eating up cap space in coming years to stockpile picks in a strong draft. While they add an enormous $30M in the next couple of years, they at least get Crabbe and Harkless who are young and can be good depth players at the same time. Nobody touches Turner's useless *** lol. Despite this, they would still enter next offseason with $15M+ of cap space.

Cavs spread out Love to add much needed youth/depth and don't miss out on any of his offense in adding Melo. Aminu is a strong and athletic 3/4 defender to combine in a three headed 3/4 rotation. Ferguson is a long term replacement for JR, who can be waived after 18-19 to clear $12M, and in the short term gives them another long, athletic 3/D wing player in their rotation.

Portland unloads a stupid amount of cap space for now and the coming years while getting Abrines as basically their draft pick this year in exchange for their three 1sts. Shumpert as a 1-year 3/D stop gap still allows them to compete for the postseason. They would have cap space as soon as next year to make a small signing, likely at SF as Turner should never start.

OKC makes out like bandits, but somebody usually does to facilitate these 3-4 team trades.

I love that the Blazers go from having 5 highly paid SFs to starting Shump at 3 :)

Jamiecballer
06-14-2017, 08:41 AM
Crowder and Bradley for Love?
I like that deal for the cavs. I'd be excited to see what both those guys could do for lebron

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mightybosstone
06-14-2017, 08:44 AM
What do you think about a potential:

CP3+DJ for Kyrie+TT+Shump
Love for PG
Love+J.R. for Melo
Love for Cousins

So we could be looking at:

CP3+DJ+LeBron+Cousins or Melo or PG

Cap works out. I'd say go for Cousins but the banana boat nonsense might have them going after Melo - which I think is plain stupid but it's still better than Kevin Love.
I think another poster said it, but I don't think NBA rules allow you to include multiple players in a sign and trade like that. Although I would be a fan on paper.

As for dealing Love, I think that's the obvious path to improvement. George is the best option, but probably the least likely. If I'm Cleveland, I wouldn't touch Cousins with a 10-foot poll. I'm just not convinced his style of play is conducive to winning basketball games. Melo would be OK, but that seems like kind of a lateral move. They wouldn't get better defensively and they'd lose a ton in terms of rebounding.

Jamiecballer
06-14-2017, 08:50 AM
You're not beating the Warriors with this team. By your logic, every team should just "man up" and not make any moves. That's not what the Warriors did last year when they signed KD.
That's why Kevin love was texting Paul George in the locker room after game 5. The reply? "It's time". Of course George was just telling him what time he should come to pick up his kids.

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warfelg
06-14-2017, 08:52 AM
That's why Kevin love was texting Paul George in the locker room after game 5. The reply? "It's time". Of course George was just telling him what time he should come to pick up his kids.

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Nah man, the reply was "Who dis? Wrong number."

BKLYNpigeon
06-14-2017, 09:19 AM
Cavs would have to offer that full max to cp3 at 35m a year.

Cp3 is 32. He's going to slow down in 2-3 years. Good move for the cavs right now. But they will be screwed afterwards. Cavs need wing defenders. Cp3 and PG13 not really the answer. They're both ball dominate players.

Cavs should get younger and complementary pieces. id trade Love for Avery Bradley and Jamison Crowder + a late 1st round pick.

FOXHOUND
06-14-2017, 09:52 AM
I love that the Blazers go from having 5 highly paid SFs to starting Shump at 3 :)

:laugh2: But would you start Turner? I think it would be more for rotation reasons than overall minutes. Maybe I just really don't like Turner, idk.

Vinylman
06-14-2017, 10:29 AM
Whatever happens this is probably the last run at it Cleveland will make... they are way over the LT and are going to be losing their *** again this year and presumably again next year.

Unless they get guys to come for nothing or get a lopsided trade they really don't have many assets other than Love.

I am sure the league is praying for Cavs/Dubs 4 because if the Cavs don't make it it is going to be a disaster for the leagues ratings.

WaDe03
06-14-2017, 10:46 AM
Id actually rather have Wiggins than Melo.

Love to the Wolves for Wiggins, Dunn, Dieng

Kyrie for PG 13

TT,Shump,Picks for Jimmy Butler

PG Lebron/Dunn
SG Wiggins/JR Smith
SF Butler/
PF PG13
C

Thats what you build around with free agents. Some guys out there I would add are

Zach Randolph
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Jonathan Simmons
Dwayne Dedmon
Willie Reed(Love this guy as the Cavs starting Center next year. Dude is an athlete) Playing with Lebron would make him nasty.


So now we are at

PG Lebron/Dunn
SG Wiggins/JR Smith
SF Butler/Hardaway Jr./Korver
PF PG 13/Zach Randolph
C Willie Reed/Dwayne Dedmon/Frye

This should be the formula and the goal of Cleveland if they want to beat GS next season.

Trolling is the only explanation.

Dré
06-14-2017, 12:08 PM
Trade between Cavalier and Clippers

Kyrie Irving swapped for Chris Paul.

Three-team trade between Cavaliers, Bulls, and Sixers

1. Cavaliers send Iman Shumpert to Bulls, and Channing Frye and Richard Jefferson to Sixers. Receive Jimmy Butler.

2. Bulls send Jimmy Butler to Cavaliers. Receive T.J. McConnell, Jahlil Okafor, and Iman

3. Sixers send T.J. McConnell and Jahlil Okafor to Chicago. Receive Channing Free and Richard Jefferson.

-----

I will explain a potential scenario where the trade could happen, and why it could make sense for all sides involved.

GREATNESS ONE
06-14-2017, 12:09 PM
Why would the Bulls do that?

WestCoastSportz
06-14-2017, 12:12 PM
Not that this would ever happened and its a post for comical reason more than anything else, but what if the Dan Gilbert and Clay Bennett got together and decided to get a little revenge on the Warriors and Kevin Durant?

They trade Russell Westbrook to the Cavs for Kyrie Irving and Channing Frye. Would the Cavs had a chance of beating the Warriors then? Then the Clippers, Ballmer, jumps in and trades Blake Griffin and Jamaal Crawford for the LA native, Kevin Love, and Iman Shumpert, which really wouldn't be a horrible trade. Start Westbrook, Crawford, James, Griffin and Thompson. Can that get it done?

warfelg
06-14-2017, 12:13 PM
Why would the Bulls do that?

Or the sixers?

Dré
06-14-2017, 12:15 PM
So the Cavs just lost in 5, and in at least 2 of those contests (games 3 & 5), they had a chance to make things interesting. With their season officially over, and with the NBA free agency period coming up, it's time to see what they could potentially do to get better this off-season.

Kyrie Irving just turned 25 this spring, so age-wise at least, he's significantly younger than the 32-year old Paul (who just celebrated a birthday in May). But as young as Irving is, at 25 he's likely plateaued. As in he's probably not getting any better than he already is. His skill set is what it is: He's a relatively good shooter with phenomenal slashing ability, who can at times do a good job orchestrating an offense. Paul on the other hand, is not only a better shooter (evidenced by Irving's career TS% of 56% vs Paul's 58%) but he's better at doing virtually everything else. The only thing Irving is better at is scoring (albeit not by much), 3-pt shooting (he's attempted more and converted a higher percentage of his threes), and blocking shots. Paul for his career, is a much better rebounder, a much better passer, much better at not turning the ball over (hence why he is annually near the top in assist to turnover ratio), better at forcing turnovers (by generating steals or deflecting possessions), and a more effective scorer. The numbers inarguably make it clear that Paul is better, even if Irving can at times wow viewers with the eye test. So with Paul being able to opt out of his final year with a team that just has not done a great job of adding value beyond this year's starting five of Paul, Reddick, Mbah a Moute, Griffin, and Jordan, it might be possible for the Cavs to coerce the Clippers into moving Paul for the younger Irving.

Then, with Paul in hand, the Cavs can focus their attention on acquiring Jimmy Butler, without losing Love... This trade is completely reliant on the Bulls' off-season, if they're quiet, as in there's no big splash. You could see them looking to move Rondo's expiring, letting Wade opt out, and obviously looking to move Butler's albatross in order to begin the rebuilding process. The Cavs have Jefferson who's contract is relatively team friendly for the next two seasons and Channing Frye who has an expiring deal. In a three team trade, they could send Frye and Jefferson to Philly, who would send Jahlil Okafor and TJ McConnell to Chicago. On the surface this deal seems like it straps the Sixers more. But Okafor over the next two seasons, stands to make a little over 11 million, McConnell who's deal can be picked up by the team stands to make an additional 2 million over the next two seasons. That's a little over 13 million on the books for the next 2 seasons vs Frye's 7.4 million on a one year loan, and Jefferson's 5 million over two more seasons. It's not much of a salary dump, but they commit less money overall to two players they're likely going to move on from anyways. Cavs also have Shumpert who can also be moved to Chicago, in order to finalize the Butler trade. So in essence, Cavs acquire the final piece to the puzzle, forming their own Big 4 of Paul, Butler, James, Love, with a nice complimentary piece in Tristan Thompson rounding out their starting 5. Chicago acquires a promising young player in TJ McConnell, a solid wing in Iman Shumpert, and a young player who was once highly touted (coming out of high school) in Okafor who might be able to turn his career around with some home cooking; Butler also stands to make more money over the next three seasons than all three of those players combined, which doesn't aid in a rebuild project. Philly does what Philly does (i.e., sheds cap from their books).

Cavs can then can go out and re-sign Korver, and lure in other free-agents willing to play for the mid-level exception.


Or the sixers?


Why would the Bulls do that?

I give an explanation behind the reasoning of this trade in the post above.

WaDe03
06-14-2017, 06:59 PM
So the Cavs just lost in 5, and in at least 2 of those contests (games 3 & 5), they had a chance to make things interesting. With their season officially over, and with the NBA free agency period coming up, it's time to see what they could potentially do to get better this off-season.

Kyrie Irving just turned 25 this spring, so age-wise at least, he's significantly younger than the 32-year old Paul (who just celebrated a birthday in May). But as young as Irving is, at 25 he's likely plateaued. As in he's probably not getting any better than he already is. His skill set is what it is: He's a relatively good shooter with phenomenal slashing ability, who can at times do a good job orchestrating an offense. Paul on the other hand, is not only a better shooter (evidenced by Irving's career TS% of 56% vs Paul's 58%) but he's better at doing virtually everything else. The only thing Irving is better at is scoring (albeit not by much), 3-pt shooting (he's attempted more and converted a higher percentage of his threes), and blocking shots. Paul for his career, is a much better rebounder, a much better passer, much better at not turning the ball over (hence why he is annually near the top in assist to turnover ratio), better at forcing turnovers (by generating steals or deflecting possessions), and a more effective scorer. The numbers inarguably make it clear that Paul is better, even if Irving can at times wow viewers with the eye test. So with Paul being able to opt out of his final year with a team that just has not done a great job of adding value beyond this year's starting five of Paul, Reddick, Mbah a Moute, Griffin, and Jordan, it might be possible for the Cavs to coerce the Clippers into moving Paul for the younger Irving.

Then, with Paul in hand, the Cavs can focus their attention on acquiring Jimmy Butler, without losing Love... This trade is completely reliant on the Bulls' off-season, if they're quiet, as in there's no big splash. You could see them looking to move Rondo's expiring, letting Wade opt out, and obviously looking to move Butler's albatross in order to begin the rebuilding process. The Cavs have Jefferson who's contract is relatively team friendly for the next two seasons and Channing Frye who has an expiring deal. In a three team trade, they could send Frye and Jefferson to Philly, who would send Jahlil Okafor and TJ McConnell to Chicago. On the surface this deal seems like it straps the Sixers more. But Okafor over the next two seasons, stands to make a little over 11 million, McConnell who's deal can be picked up by the team stands to make an additional 2 million over the next two seasons. That's a little over 13 million on the books for the next 2 seasons vs Frye's 7.4 million on a one year loan, and Jefferson's 5 million over two more seasons. It's not much of a salary dump, but they commit less money overall to two players they're likely going to move on from anyways. Cavs also have Shumpert who can also be moved to Chicago, in order to finalize the Butler trade. So in essence, Cavs acquire the final piece to the puzzle, forming their own Big 4 of Paul, Butler, James, Love, with a nice complimentary piece in Tristan Thompson rounding out their starting 5. Chicago acquires a promising young player in TJ McConnell, a solid wing in Iman Shumpert, and a young player who was once highly touted (coming out of high school) in Okafor who might be able to turn his career around with some home cooking; Butler also stands to make more money over the next three seasons than all three of those players combined, which doesn't aid in a rebuild project. Philly does what Philly does (i.e., sheds cap from their books).

Cavs can then can go out and re-sign Korver, and lure in other free-agents willing to play for the mid-level exception.





I give an explanation behind the reasoning of this trade in the post above.

Holy **** this is terrible. There's absolutely no way the Bulls would make that trade. The Bulls would hang up and never answer the phone again.

Looking at potential deals people think the Bulls would trade Jimmy for is just hilarious and also kind of sad. The ONLY way the Cavs could trade for Butler is with Kyrie.

Rivera
06-14-2017, 07:53 PM
how about stand pat and add bench pieces? I havent read through the whole thread, but why not? You add bench pieces look for some 3-D players and try again next year.

You are a Kyle Korver missed 3 and Durant Made 3 away from a 3-2 series going into Cleveland

BKLYNpigeon
06-14-2017, 07:58 PM
Trade between Cavalier and Clippers

Kyrie Irving swapped for Chris Paul.

Three-team trade between Cavaliers, Bulls, and Sixers

1. Cavaliers send Iman Shumpert to Bulls, and Channing Frye and Richard Jefferson to Sixers. Receive Jimmy Butler.

2. Bulls send Jimmy Butler to Cavaliers. Receive T.J. McConnell, Jahlil Okafor, and Iman

3. Sixers send T.J. McConnell and Jahlil Okafor to Chicago. Receive Channing Free and Richard Jefferson.

-----

I will explain a potential scenario where the trade could happen, and why it could make sense for all sides involved.

Dumbest trade ever proposed.

BKLYNpigeon
06-14-2017, 08:01 PM
If the Cavs keep the same team next season they will pay 88 million in luxury taxes.

They dont have a pick to trade until 2021.


Id say Cavs stay the course and run it back for another year. Make minor deals. Dan Gilbert should sure Lebron resigns before you commit more money for agin players.

Scoots
06-14-2017, 10:57 PM
If the Cavs keep the same team next season they will pay 88 million in luxury taxes.

They dont have a pick to trade until 2021.


Id say Cavs stay the course and run it back for another year. Make minor deals. Dan Gilbert should sure Lebron resigns before you commit more money for agin players.

I agree ... go shopping for one player willing to accept the taxpayer MLE and find out after that who will take the vet minimum to fill the roster ... just like the Warriors are going to do. The problem in that is that the Warriors seem to maximize the players they get better.

Nikeman
06-14-2017, 11:10 PM
I agree ... go shopping for one player willing to accept the taxpayer MLE and find out after that who will take the vet minimum to fill the roster ... just like the Warriors are going to do. The problem in that is that the Warriors seem to maximize the players they get better.

They run a better system. It seems like a team rather than LeBron ISO and Kyrie Iso

Fla.SticKy
06-14-2017, 11:47 PM
Phenomenal. :hi5:

Lol

DW3421
06-14-2017, 11:58 PM
Trade Love for Cousins and sign Bosh to the minimum.

BKLYNpigeon
06-15-2017, 01:19 AM
Trade Love for Cousins and sign Bosh to the minimum.

Cousins a free agent after next year. If cavs don't win it all. Lebron might leave, cousins will probably leave. You back to square 1 with kyrie and Tristian.

BKLYNpigeon
06-15-2017, 01:20 AM
You can't trade for PG unless he commits long term.

Hangtime
06-15-2017, 01:59 AM
Or the sixers?

Because apparently the Bulls and Sixers have "suckas" written on their faces.

I love how the entire league is basically trading to help the Cavs matchup better with the warriors. So nice of them.

GoferKing_
06-15-2017, 03:47 AM
Trade between Cavalier and Clippers

Kyrie Irving swapped for Chris Paul.

Three-team trade between Cavaliers, Bulls, and Sixers

1. Cavaliers send Iman Shumpert to Bulls, and Channing Frye and Richard Jefferson to Sixers. Receive Jimmy Butler.

2. Bulls send Jimmy Butler to Cavaliers. Receive T.J. McConnell, Jahlil Okafor, and Iman

3. Sixers send T.J. McConnell and Jahlil Okafor to Chicago. Receive Channing Free and Richard Jefferson.

-----

I will explain a potential scenario where the trade could happen, and why it could make sense for all sides involved.

Do not care for an explanation, it does not make any sense.

GoferKing_
06-15-2017, 03:49 AM
Because apparently the Bulls and Sixers have "suckas" written on their faces.

I love how the entire league is basically trading to help the Cavs matchup better with the warriors. So nice of them.

Yep, peopole think that teams will line up and offer their best players for garbage to the Cavs, so Leborn can fight with GSW. :D

DW3421
06-15-2017, 08:31 AM
Cousins a free agent after next year. If cavs don't win it all. Lebron might leave, cousins will probably leave. You back to square 1 with kyrie and Tristian.

If they come up empty again next year, Bron is leaving anyways!

BKLYNpigeon
06-15-2017, 08:44 AM
If they come up empty again next year, Bron is leaving anyways!

at least you have Love on the roster. you can always trade him for younger pieces you can build around.

Dré
06-15-2017, 10:10 AM
Holy **** this is terrible. There's absolutely no way the Bulls would make that trade. The Bulls would hang up and never answer the phone again.

Looking at potential deals people think the Bulls would trade Jimmy for is just hilarious and also kind of sad. The ONLY way the Cavs could trade for Butler is with Kyrie.

i) I said the proposed trade was completely reliant on the Bulls' draft day selections and free agent acquisitions. If the off-season period nets them next to nothing, they could plausibly look to rebuild, by shopping Rondo's expiring, and looking to move Butler's 18.7 million dollar salary, Wade seeing the writing on the wall, could potentially opt out (though that depends on how much he values the money over title contention).

ii) If this turns out to be a terrible trade for the Bulls in the long run? You act like terrible trades don't happen with regularity in the NBA. (Seriously?)

iii) The fact of the matter is, teams get fleeced all of the time. See Masai Ujiri fleecing New York in that Melo trade several years back. Then Masai fleecing Dolan again after heading to Toronto. Sometimes it looks like a fleece, but it's actually mutually beneficial, i.e., see that Lakers-Grizzlies trade back in the late 2000's that netted LA Pau Gasol. Who's laughing now after 7 straight post-season appearances? There's no way of knowing how that Bulls trade will pan out at the moment, since both McConnell and Okafor are only in their second seasons, opening the door for even greater improvement.

WaDe03
06-15-2017, 10:57 AM
i) I said the proposed trade was completely reliant on the Bulls' draft day selections and free agent acquisitions. If the off-season period nets them next to nothing, they could plausibly look to rebuild, by shopping Rondo's expiring, and looking to move Butler's 18.7 million dollar salary, Wade seeing the writing on the wall, could potentially opt out (though that depends on how much he values the money over title contention).

ii) If this turns out to be a terrible trade for the Bulls in the long run? You act like terrible trades don't happen with regularity in the NBA. (Seriously?)

iii) The fact of the matter is, teams get fleeced all of the time. See Masai Ujiri fleecing New York in that Melo trade several years back. Then Masai fleecing Dolan again after heading to Toronto. Sometimes it looks like a fleece, but it's actually mutually beneficial, i.e., see that Lakers-Grizzlies trade back in the late 2000's that netted LA Pau Gasol. Who's laughing now after 7 straight post-season appearances? There's no way of knowing how that Bulls trade will pan out at the moment, since both McConnell and Okafor are only in their second seasons, opening the door for even greater improvement.

It's a terrible trade regardless of whatever explanation you gave. Just completely terrible and a 0% chance of happening. You named 2 guys that couldn't even net first round picks at the trade deadline and are proposing them in a trade for a guy that can get you a top 5 pick in this years draft, which is supposed to be one of the deepest drafts we've had in awhile. That's how you start over and rebuild, not just trade a top 10 player in the league for scraps.

BKLYNpigeon
06-15-2017, 11:15 AM
It's a terrible trade regardless of whatever explanation you gave. Just completely terrible and a 0% chance of happening. You named 2 guys that couldn't even net first round picks at the trade deadline and are proposing them in a trade for a guy that can get you a top 5 pick in this years draft, which is supposed to be one of the deepest drafts we've had in awhile. That's how you start over and rebuild, not just trade a top 10 player in the league for scraps.

If he was high on Drugs and Drunk as fukk. Then thats a valid explanation.

BKLYNpigeon
06-15-2017, 11:17 AM
The funny thing is, he's actually serious about it. lol

It took some work, thought long and hard about it and when on ESPN Trade Machine to balance the salaries.

Dré
06-15-2017, 04:26 PM
It's a terrible trade regardless of whatever explanation you gave. Just completely terrible and a 0% chance of happening. You named 2 guys that couldn't even net first round picks at the trade deadline and are proposing them in a trade for a guy that can get you a top 5 pick in this years draft, which is supposed to be one of the deepest drafts we've had in awhile. That's how you start over and rebuild, not just trade a top 10 player in the league for scraps.

Which of the top 5 lottery teams, outside of Boston, think Butler could potentially be a big enough difference maker for them, that they would be willing to forego their pick for his services? The Lakers? The Sixers? Even Boston, I'm not so sure is willing to give up its top pick for Butler. I'm not saying that, that's not completely preposterous. If given the chance, you give up a lottery pick for a proven commodity like Butler. But I'd also understand the reasoning behind not doing it. All three of those teams have players that are either on rookie deals, or players that are on relatively affordable, team friendly contracts. Methinks they're looking to keep it that way, at least for the foreseeable future (especially the Sixers, who's recent track record suggests this). Unless you have some insider information that suggests that one of these lottery teams with a high draft pick is interested in giving it up (along with a couple of their young prospects) to get Butler?

Also, the draft's not as deep as you're making it out to be. Outside of Lonzo Ball, who should be the sure fire number 1 pick (I don't care what his dad says). None of the other marquee names jump out at me. I looked at De'Aaron Fox's season averages and they weren't that impressive (but you know, he catapulted himself in the discussion by having a great game against UCLA). Markelle Fultz looks to have been a streaky-solid shooter (his poor free throw shooting jumps out at me, suggesting he may not have been as efficient as the numbers say he was). But even he doesn't compare to Lonzo's well rounded game (plus he couldn't even stay healthy playing in the Pac-12, playing less than a third of an NBA season). That said, there are some nice sleeper picks that can be had in the latter stages of the draft though, Semi Ojeleye, Lauri Markkanen, Derrick Willis, Faith Pope, and Zach Collins all come to mind.

WaDe03
06-15-2017, 09:21 PM
Which of the top 5 lottery teams, outside of Boston, think Butler could potentially be a big enough difference maker for them, that they would be willing to forego their pick for his services? The Lakers? The Sixers? Even Boston, I'm not so sure is willing to give up its top pick for Butler. I'm not saying that, that's not completely preposterous. If given the chance, you give up a lottery pick for a proven commodity like Butler. But I'd also understand the reasoning behind not doing it. All three of those teams have players that are either on rookie deals, or players that are on relatively affordable, team friendly contracts. Methinks they're looking to keep it that way, at least for the foreseeable future (especially the Sixers, who's recent track record suggests this). Unless you have some insider information that suggests that one of these lottery teams with a high draft pick is interested in giving it up (along with a couple of their young prospects) to get Butler?

Also, the draft's not as deep as you're making it out to be. Outside of Lonzo Ball, who should be the sure fire number 1 pick (I don't care what his dad says). None of the other marquee names jump out at me. I looked at De'Aaron Fox's season averages and they weren't that impressive (but you know, he catapulted himself in the discussion by having a great game against UCLA). Markelle Fultz looks to have been a streaky-solid shooter (his poor free throw shooting jumps out at me, suggesting he may not have been as efficient as the numbers say he was). But even he doesn't compare to Lonzo's well rounded game (plus he couldn't even stay healthy playing in the Pac-12, playing less than a third of an NBA season). That said, there are some nice sleeper picks that can be had in the latter stages of the draft though, Semi Ojeleye, Lauri Markkanen, Derrick Willis, Faith Pope, and Zach Collins all come to mind.

The draft is very deep, there is a lot of star potential in this draft. I'll take the experts opinion over someone who thinks Butler can be had for peanuts.

Let's look at the top 4 teams picking in the draft:

Celtics: could trade their pick Crowder and Amir or filler for Butler AND get Hayward, Griffin, or Millsap in free agency.

Thomas
Bradley
Butler
Griffin
Horford

That's a legit contender and they basically swap Crowder and filler for Butler and Griffin to add to the 1st seed.

Lakers: a lot of tradeable assets, a lot of cap space. Could trade for Butler and add PG the next summer while Russell Ingram Randle etc have more time to develop or trade them for other stars. Their pick is rumored to be available and Magic is trying to make a big splash.

Sixers: could add a star to Embiid and Simmons and also have cap space to make a splash in free agency in the coming years.

Suns: can trade for him to put with Booker who meshes perfect with his play style, has cap space, has multiple tradeabke assets as well.

All of these teams are also rumored to want to add a star player and Jimmy is top 10 imo, no list can realistically have him outside of the top 15. They all have tradeabke young assets and picks to build very good teams Trading for Jimmy could have the domino effect in signing max level free agents or unloading other pieces for other stars to add.

bleedprple&gold
06-15-2017, 11:11 PM
Why is everyone so concerned with what the Cavs are gonna do? There's 28 other teams in same predicament trying to figure out how to beat the Warriors.

FlashBolt
06-16-2017, 12:09 AM
Why is everyone so concerned with what the Cavs are gonna do? There's 28 other teams in same predicament trying to figure out how to beat the Warriors.

Precisely because if you don't have LeBron, there isn't much confidence out there any other team beats them. Spurs? Idk, the fact Kawhi was injured and Spurs looked unable to compete by any means was unflattering. And well, they're just boring.

JOSKOMANG4
06-16-2017, 11:02 AM
4 TEAM BLOCKBUSTER: NYK/ATL/CLE/POR

- HAWKS ACQUIRE F/C M.LEONARD, G/F SHUMPERT, F/C FRYE
- HAWKS TRADE P.MILSAP(S&T) & G/F BAZEMORE

L: HOWARD/LEONARD/SHUMP/DUNLEAVY/SCHROEDER

- KNICKS ACQUIRE G/F E.TURNER, F M.HARKLESS, 15TH & 26TH OVERALL PICK
- KNICKS TRADE F C.ANTHONY

L: NOAH/PORZINGIS/HARKLESS/LEE/D.SMITH(8TH OVERALL PICK). turner: 6TH MAN

- BLAZERS ACQUIRE K.LOVE & K.BAZEZMORE
- BLAZERS TRADE F HARKLESS, F/C LEONARD, G/F TURNER, 15TH & 26TH OVERALL PICK

L: NURKIC/LOVE/BAZEMORE/MCCOLLUM/LILLARD. CRABBE: 6TH MAN

- CAVALIERS ACQUIRE F/C MILSAP(s&t) & F ANTHONY
- CAVALIERS TRADE K.LOVE, SHUMP, FRYE

L: MILSAP/ANTHONY/JAMES/JR/KYRIE. 6TH MAN: THOMPSON.

Nikeman
06-16-2017, 11:17 AM
4 TEAM BLOCKBUSTER: NYK/ATL/CLE/POR

- HAWKS ACQUIRE F/C M.LEONARD, G/F SHUMPERT, F/C FRYE
- HAWKS TRADE P.MILSAP(S&T) & G/F BAZEMORE

L: HOWARD/LEONARD/SHUMP/DUNLEAVY/SCHROEDER

- KNICKS ACQUIRE G/F E.TURNER, F M.HARKLESS, 15TH & 26TH OVERALL PICK
- KNICKS TRADE F C.ANTHONY

L: NOAH/PORZINGIS/HARKLESS/LEE/D.SMITH(8TH OVERALL PICK). turner: 6TH MAN

- BLAZERS ACQUIRE K.LOVE & K.BAZEZMORE
- BLAZERS TRADE F HARKLESS, F/C LEONARD, G/F TURNER, 15TH & 26TH OVERALL PICK

L: NURKIC/LOVE/BAZEMORE/MCCOLLUM/LILLARD. CRABBE: 6TH MAN

- CAVALIERS ACQUIRE F/C MILSAP(s&t) & F ANTHONY
- CAVALIERS TRADE K.LOVE, SHUMP, FRYE

L: MILSAP/ANTHONY/JAMES/JR/KYRIE. 6TH MAN: THOMPSON.

Actually kinda like this for all parties involved problem is money. If Milsapp comes in with 25+m and Anthony has 30, Cavs are not shedding 55m worth of salary?

Chapin78
06-16-2017, 11:19 AM
I read somewhere that the CAVS would try to get Cousins from NOLA and the main piece would be Love. They better add something significant to that because it doesn't seem like the best deal for NOLA. More players should see what is going on with the PELS as they are a few wings that are shooters away from being a nice team. They need to resign Holliday and they could be much improved.

Yanks All Day
06-16-2017, 01:21 PM
I read somewhere that the CAVS would try to get Cousins from NOLA and the main piece would be Love. They better add something significant to that because it doesn't seem like the best deal for NOLA. More players should see what is going on with the PELS as they are a few wings that are shooters away from being a nice team. They need to resign Holliday and they could be much improved.

I've read DeMarcus Cousins as well. Though I'm not sure how the team works it out. Trading Love for Cousins makes sense, and I think DMC would be fantastic playing with LeBron and Kyrie. But that leaves Cleveland with 2 centers in Cousins and Thompson. I suppose they could move Thompson (which they should do regardless, IMO), but I'm not sure how that gets worked out.

The only scenario I'd imagine Love-Cousins working out is if Thompson is traded ahead of time, which would be a shocker.

Nikeman
06-16-2017, 01:35 PM
I've read DeMarcus Cousins as well. Though I'm not sure how the team works it out. Trading Love for Cousins makes sense, and I think DMC would be fantastic playing with LeBron and Kyrie. But that leaves Cleveland with 2 centers in Cousins and Thompson. I suppose they could move Thompson (which they should do regardless, IMO), but I'm not sure how that gets worked out.

The only scenario I'd imagine Love-Cousins working out is if Thompson is traded ahead of time, which would be a shocker.

I think Thompson at PF is better. He's 6'9 lol

bleedprple&gold
06-16-2017, 01:49 PM
I read somewhere that the CAVS would try to get Cousins from NOLA and the main piece would be Love. They better add something significant to that because it doesn't seem like the best deal for NOLA. More players should see what is going on with the PELS as they are a few wings that are shooters away from being a nice team. They need to resign Holliday and they could be much improved.

Love for Cousins? Why in the hell would NOLA do that?

da ThRONe
06-16-2017, 02:14 PM
Love for Cousins? Why in the hell would NOLA do that?

We wouldn't because Demps has invested everything in this season and Cousins is better than Love. The reason why a team would consider it is because Love is under contract longer.

Monta is beast
06-16-2017, 02:17 PM
If they really want to win next year they need to trade Kyrie for PG13 and Love for a pg, McCollum?

Monta is beast
06-16-2017, 02:18 PM
McCollum
PG13
Bron
TT
????

Just put RJ at center his old *** won't leave the NBA.

Monta is beast
06-16-2017, 02:22 PM
Isn't it funny tho. This situation has me thinking karma is real.

LBJ suckered Draymond into a T then lobbied for a 2 game suspension, got 1. Came back won the finals...We don't get KD if that never happened and now Bron might never win another chip.

Yanks All Day
06-16-2017, 02:29 PM
I think Thompson at PF is better. He's 6'9 lol

I'd typically agree size-wise, but the way PF play today, Thompson is a center. PF now have to be able to stretch the floor, get defenders away from the rim, and shoot. Thompson is an undersized center who has one of the best motors in basketball. 7-8 years ago, he's pretty much the prototypical PF. Not anymore. That's why I don't think you can get Cousins for Love and play them together.

FlashBolt
06-16-2017, 03:44 PM
Isn't it funny tho. This situation has me thinking karma is real.

LBJ suckered Draymond into a T then lobbied for a 2 game suspension, got 1. Came back won the finals...We don't get KD if that never happened and now Bron might never win another chip.

That's not karma. That's you trying to make a chokejob into a blessing.

Monta is beast
06-16-2017, 05:18 PM
We would have won if dray didn't get suspended...fact

KD said he wouldn't have came to the warriors if they won the title last year...fact

LeBron lobbied to get dray suspended...fact

WaDe03
06-16-2017, 07:05 PM
We would have won if dray didn't get suspended...fact

KD said he wouldn't have came to the warriors if they won the title last year...fact

LeBron lobbied to get dray suspended...fact

You would've lost regardless....fact

FlashBolt
06-16-2017, 07:16 PM
We would have won if dray didn't get suspended...fact

KD said he wouldn't have came to the warriors if they won the title last year...fact

LeBron lobbied to get dray suspended...fact

How is it a fact that you guys would have won if Draymond didn't get suspended? LeBron and Kyrie dropped 41 and were unstoppable offensively. To say Draymond would have had a drastic effect on that when for two games, they still lost doesn't make it a fact.

Fact: Draymond should have been suspended vs OKC for kicking Adams twice in the groin but he wasn't because they were down in the series. If you're going to continue using that suspension as an excuse, then did you use it for when OKC didn't have that same luck when Draymond should have been suspended?

And why do you neglect that Cavs "should have won" if Kyrie and Love weren't injured in 2015? Do you just think the world revolves around the Warriors and that no team faces these circumstances as well?

You are incredibly dense. It's not a fact you guys would have won. It's a fact you guys choked a 3-1 lead and Stephanie Curry disappeared to the point where his lame *** wife had the nerve to call the league fixed.

Aust
06-16-2017, 07:20 PM
They can't do much. Most trades will be more like lateral moves. I think the team has peaked. They'll get to the finals next year, and barring the health of the Warriors, will get stomped again and then Lebron will leave.

Maybe a better coach can get more out of them, but I doubt that happens.

Monta is beast
06-16-2017, 07:52 PM
You would've lost regardless....fact

More like wishful thinking. That game that suspension changed the whole momentum of that series. Y'all just hating but that's coo we got 2 going for not 3 not 4 not 5...

WaDe03
06-16-2017, 08:05 PM
More like wishful thinking. That game that suspension changed the whole momentum of that series. Y'all just hating but that's coo we got 2 going for not 3 not 4 not 5...

You disappeared real quick last year, nice to have you back!

IKnowHoops
06-16-2017, 10:35 PM
In order for the Cavs to beat GS, at the very least they need to flip love and Thompson

Scoots
06-17-2017, 01:17 PM
Are the Cavs willing to mortgage more of their future for a chance to win now? They can trade an infinite number of future picks to get picks now.

Scoots
06-17-2017, 01:18 PM
What if the Cavs hired Sam Hinkie ... I wonder what he would do to the team this year.

tp13baby
06-17-2017, 01:43 PM
Love for Faried, Wilson Chandler, Barton.

Vee-Rex
06-17-2017, 02:40 PM
You disappeared real quick last year, nice to have you back!

:laugh2:

Dude was nowhere to be found all throughout the year.

Scoots
06-17-2017, 03:37 PM
:laugh2:

Dude was nowhere to be found all throughout the year.

To be fair, he might just have more of a life than posting online :)

da ThRONe
06-17-2017, 05:46 PM
Love for Faried, Wilson Chandler, Barton.

I think Will Barton is a FA.

nastynice
06-17-2017, 05:56 PM
LeBron can't be driving the offense and guard KD

Lebron can't guard KD period. Him driving the offense ain't got nothin to do with it, lol

nastynice
06-17-2017, 06:01 PM
In order for the Cavs to beat GS, at the very least they need to flip love and Thompson

No way, Thompson is a beast. He fits them perfect.

Love is good too, they just need to use him. I mean really, how stupid could they be, lebron is out there gassed, yet they still can't run 4-5 offensive sets a quarter thru love in the post? Do people forget he was argued by some as the best power forward in the game that summer he came to Cleveland?

Funny how opposite an effect lebron and curry have on their teammates