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RedSoxtober
05-08-2017, 09:23 AM
Game 1: Pomeranz (3-1, 4.00) vs Peralta (4-2, 4.88)
Game 2: Kendrick (0-1, 13.50) vs Anderson (2-0, 2.86)
Game 3: Rodriguez (1-1, 3.07) vs Nelson (1-2, 4.83)

Q: Does Kendrick prove, once and for all, that Spring Training stats are meaningless?

Green_Monster
05-08-2017, 12:51 PM
Kendrick is bad. He can't strike anyone out so when he gets hit, he gets hit hard. The sooner he's out of the rotation, the better.

The Allen
05-08-2017, 01:11 PM
Hoping we win 2/3 this series. The Twins series was awesome, and wish I could have posted...but didn't look like we had anything positive to say anyway.

This forum is just so positive these days!

Anyway, this should be a fun one for sure and intrigued to see how the arms do.

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Petertherock
05-09-2017, 07:36 PM
I hate national league rules. A guaranteed out in the 9 hole and a chance to get pitchers injured! Yay!!


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AI
05-09-2017, 08:13 PM
Anderson Espinoza... that is all.

BSF101
05-09-2017, 08:16 PM
Of course Pomeranian gives up 5 ****ing runs this early in the game. Gee I wonder why
San Diego wanted to get rid of him ? I said it last yr and I'll keep saying it He sucks and we're
stick with him. I'd rather have a blind one arm pitcher than him.

Pittz
05-09-2017, 09:30 PM
Pomeranian

Oh, you are just so clever!

Petertherock
05-09-2017, 09:45 PM
Oh, you are just so clever!

I call him Pomeranian too lol!!


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Petertherock
05-09-2017, 09:46 PM
Of course Pomeranian gives up 5 ****ing runs this early in the game. Gee I wonder why
San Diego wanted to get rid of him ? I said it last yr and I'll keep saying it He sucks and we're
stick with him. I'd rather have a blind one arm pitcher than him.

Who would you choose between Pomeranian and Buchholz? LOL!


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The Allen
05-10-2017, 12:10 AM
Oh look we struggled today and look at the activity!

Oh joy.

Tough loss today, Pom was his worst so far this year, but that's fine as long as he gets back at it next time out. Offense is getting alive, and that makes me very happy. Beni and Betts have yourself a game!

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Petertherock
05-10-2017, 01:07 AM
Hembree sucked tonight too! Can't blame the offense tonight. Abad's about the only pitcher that looked good.


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Bosston
05-10-2017, 10:00 AM
Oh look we struggled today and look at the activity!

Oh joy.

Tough loss today, Pom was his worst so far this year, but that's fine as long as he gets back at it next time out. Offense is getting alive, and that makes me very happy. Beni and Betts have yourself a game!

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"Yup, time to hang the hats up boys... this season is over." - every pink hat in Boston.

RedSoxtober
05-10-2017, 11:25 AM
Here's the thing... those of us who didn't like the Pomeranz trade were told to sit down and shut up because the deal was going to pay off over the next couple of years even if his acquisition did not make an impact in 2016. Whether or not you like it, those angry feelings are going to come out when he spits the bit in the big payoff period. That's not being a pink hat; that's criticizing bad performance... unless you think that 5 runs in the first inning is acceptable from a pitcher just handed a lead.

Pomeranz has, unfortunately, started to remind me of the routine that Casey Kelly got into before we dealt him for A-Gon (go back and check if you like -- I didn't mind dealing him at the time because of this but deeply regretted losing Rizzo). Basically, every fifth start or so is a disaster. His overall line will not look great because of it. You've just got to hope that he's spot on in the other four starts.

I'm fairly concerned that he's returning to the type of pitcher that he was before his return to the starting rotation last spring. When he was acquired, Bannister noted that his breakout performance with SDP was not a huge surprise because of the shift in his pitch mix to one that more closely resembled Kershaw's. Those kinds of guys, Bannister suggested, could pitch to contact and get results. Welp, his mix has changed back towards what it used to be and his results may follow.

The Allen
05-10-2017, 11:36 AM
Here's the thing... those of us who didn't like the Pomeranz trade were told to sit down and shut up because the deal was going to pay off over the next couple of years even if his acquisition did not make an impact in 2016. Whether or not you like it, those angry feelings are going to come out when he spits the bit in the big payoff period. That's not being a pink hat; that's criticizing bad performance... unless you think that 5 runs in the first inning is acceptable from a pitcher just handed a lead.

Pomeranz has, unfortunately, started to remind me of the routine that Casey Kelly got into before we dealt him for A-Gon (go back and check if you like -- I didn't mind dealing him at the time because of this but deeply regretted losing Rizzo). Basically, every fifth start or so is a disaster. His overall line will not look great because of it. You've just got to hope that he's spot on in the other four starts.

I'm fairly concerned that he's returning to the type of pitcher that he was before his return to the starting rotation last spring. When he was acquired, Bannister noted that his breakout performance with SDP was not a huge surprise because of the shift in his pitch mix to one that more closely resembled Kershaw's. Those kinds of guys, Bannister suggested, could pitch to contact and get results. Welp, his mix has changed back towards what it used to be and his results may follow.
He is not necessary any of our points that are getting annoyed.

Pomeranz is an iffy starter, pretty solid arm, but overall a number 4 guy we overpaid for. Everyone knows we overpaid for him, no need to keep saying it...that's just repetitive and annoying.

For me at least I have been annoyed by the fact that this team still is not all the way healthy, the offense is starting to wake up after some weird stuff happening in the first two weeks, and you all only bring activity to this once very fun forum when we either lose or something negative happens.

Pomeranz is not the issue with mine or I believe his post above. It is with all the constant *****ing and moaning over the past two years for a team that is actually pretty solid.

This is baseball, we are going to lose 60+ times a season...it happens. But when everyone is in here for those 66 times and not the other 96 then that's just ridiculous, and a few people are quite fed up with it. Everyone is turning into the one poster who everyone always tells to leave because he has nothing positive to say.

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Bosston
05-10-2017, 12:30 PM
He is not necessary any of our points that are getting annoyed.

Pomeranz is an iffy starter, pretty solid arm, but overall a number 4 guy we overpaid for. Everyone knows we overpaid for him, no need to keep saying it...that's just repetitive and annoying.

For me at least I have been annoyed by the fact that this team still is not all the way healthy, the offense is starting to wake up after some weird stuff happening in the first two weeks, and you all only bring activity to this once very fun forum when we either lose or something negative happens.

Pomeranz is not the issue with mine or I believe his post above. It is with all the constant *****ing and moaning over the past two years for a team that is actually pretty solid.

This is baseball, we are going to lose 60+ times a season...it happens. But when everyone is in here for those 66 times and not the other 96 then that's just ridiculous, and a few people are quite fed up with it. Everyone is turning into the one poster who everyone always tells to leave because he has nothing positive to say.

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Pretty much sums it up... I just don't get the point of coming into a forum and *****ing about it. "Oh no, they lost a game... the world is coming to an end... I hate this team!" What exactly does that accomplish? Instead of doing that why not pour yourself a nice Blantons neat and "relax" with your significant other? That's what I do... and it keeps me very, very happy. If a sports team losing in the regular season ruins your day you really need to take sports a little less seriously, remember... the team, organization, and players don't give 2 hoots about you... so why let them piss you off?

the comments that really make me laugh are the "I hope they lose the rest of the season" type comments... no real fan would ever say that, that comment is a sure sign that you're a pink hat or just mentally unstable.

RedSoxtober
05-10-2017, 02:56 PM
He is not necessary any of our points that are getting annoyed.
The first five or six posts in response to the game -- the ones that got you started about "look at all the negativity" -- were directed at Pomeranz and not the Sox. Seemed pretty relevant.


For me at least I have been annoyed by the fact that this team still is not all the way healthy, the offense is starting to wake up after some weird stuff happening in the first two weeks, and you all only bring activity to this once very fun forum when we either lose or something negative happens.
I think that you might be exaggerating a bit. I'm on the site daily, for example, have have been (oh, God, really) for more than a decade I think. My posts are pretty mixed -- hopeful for guys that seem to have a silver lining, positive for the emerging stars, and negative on guys like Drew. Several of the others who have commented above fall into a pretty similar category.

BSF though is pretty much outstanding in his ability to tear defeat from the jaws of victory. My suggestion: put him on ignore. I pretty much scan the posts to make sure they're not violating the rules in some way and move on.

RedSoxtober
05-10-2017, 03:20 PM
Just because I tend to be a contrarian, I'll offer a few more observations on where the Red Sox stand.

At 17-15, the Sox would need to finish 79-51 to hit the mythical 96-66 mark mentioned earlier. There might be a little urgency if you only muster +2 games above .500 if your objective is +28 the rest of the way.

With so much emphasis placed on the so-called stretch run, there used to be a corrective feature each year about the importance of a good start. The specifics escape me now but I believe that the mark was roughly May 15th (six weeks into the season balancing the stretch run at the end) and 7GB. Long story short, less than 2% of teams that were 7 or more games back on May 15 made the playoffs. The Sox are now 5 games out of first (4.5GB second) with five games to go before that line in the sand. Admittedly, the second wild card -- where they're tied with MIN -- breathes additional life into their chances that was not present when that number crunching was done. They could be playing for a chance to get Sale into a winner-take-all game and chance to face the best team in the AL with Sale getting just one start in the divisional series.

I tend to be a glass-half-full person and think that these Red Sox are better than what their record has show to date. HOWEVER, there is a bit of urgency now for them to prove it. Wins can be made up but losses cannot be erased.

Bosston
05-10-2017, 04:30 PM
I think once we get Price back and teams have to face Sale, Porcello,, Price, E-Rod, and Pomeranz the numbers will rise. (If Price pitches well). If he does I sure wouldn't want to face that rotation in the playoffs esp if the bats wake up, which I assume will.

Green_Monster
05-10-2017, 10:23 PM
Kendrick really shouldn't be starting for us.

Maybe give Henry Owens another chance? He has a 1.35 era over 5 starts. His K/9 (10.8) is very good but BB/9 (6.1) is very bad.

BSF101
05-10-2017, 10:33 PM
Who would you choose between Pomeranian and Buchholz? LOL!


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**** you got me there lol. Honestly I don't hate the guy just the way he gives up so many
easy runs its not just 1 or 2 per inning but 3, 4 and 5. But to answer the question I'd would
rather take Buchholz when healthy. Hell I'd still say Buccholz is 90% better even when injured over Pomeranian.

Green_Monster
05-10-2017, 11:11 PM
Kendrick really shouldn't be starting for us.

Maybe give Henry Owens another chance? He has a 1.35 era over 5 starts. His K/9 (10.8) is very good but BB/9 (6.1) is very bad.

Hector Velazquez may be a better option. I didn't realize he was doing so well (h/t to RST for the post in the prospects thread).

BSF101
05-10-2017, 11:53 PM
Even Jared Carrabis who writes about them even admitted on TV the pitchers we have suck.
See I ant the only one who's been thinking this.

RedSoxtober
05-11-2017, 12:21 PM
Well... it looks like I got half of the equation right Green Monster...


After Kyle Kendrick lasted just 41⁄3 innings last night, the Red Sox optioned him to Triple-A Pawtucket. He allowed 12 runs in 81⁄3 innings in his two starts with the Sox this season.

To take his place on the roster, the Sox recalled left-hander Robbie Ross Jr. from Pawtucket. Ross struck out four and allowed just one run in five innings with the PawSox. He had allowed two runs in 41⁄3 innings with the Red Sox before they optioned him.

With an off-day on Monday, the Red Sox donít need a fifth starter again until May 20.Boston Herald

Technically I think that this means that Kendrick could return for a start on 5/20 but if all goes well then we may have Price for the next turn through the rotation. Here's hoping that his tuneups continue to be uneventful.

Pittz
05-11-2017, 01:29 PM
Did Farrell really have Pedroia sacrifice bunt after Betts led the game off with a double? I love giving up outs so that we give ourselves less of a chance of a big inning!

RedSoxtober
05-11-2017, 02:11 PM
:shrug: apparently EdRo only needs one run

Pittz
05-11-2017, 02:32 PM
Yeah, it seems like it wasn't a horrible move at this point. But I still ****ing hate it.

Pittz
05-11-2017, 02:59 PM
I maintain that it was a horrible move :)

The Allen
05-11-2017, 03:03 PM
1-1 through six innings...I'll take it. No guarantee we score more than one in the first regardless of the odd bunt timing.

Erod has been amazing this year. That Miller trade looks so good for us still.

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Soxfan85
05-11-2017, 04:27 PM
Betts!!

Green_Monster
05-11-2017, 04:28 PM
Mookie!

He's now hitting .311 with a .924 OPS. Locked in.

Soxfan85
05-11-2017, 04:40 PM
Kimbrel has been filthy this season. Complete 360 from last year

Bosston
05-11-2017, 04:41 PM
Moooooooooookie

Green_Monster
05-11-2017, 04:42 PM
This Kimbrel guy is pretty good.

Pittz
05-11-2017, 04:50 PM
Kimbrel has been filthy this season. Complete 360 from last year

180

RedSoxtober
05-12-2017, 11:16 AM
lol

AI
05-12-2017, 02:03 PM
180

Hi bae