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lol, please
04-19-2017, 02:24 PM
Green's ability to guard all positions and his elite defending/ring protecting, or Shaq's consistent offense, passing, and rim protecting?

Green .531 TS% 21.5 DRB% 20.5 AST% 2.5 STL% 3.0 BLK% .149 WS/48
Shaq .581 TS% 23.8 DRB% 16.6 AST% 0.9 STL% 4.7 BLK% .241 WS/48 (LAL tenure)

The rest of the roster remains untouched - if you choose Shaq over Green, then Green's substitute must be selected from the current roster.

Discuss.

Hawkeye15
04-19-2017, 02:33 PM
Shaq by a mile. Imagine the freedom offensively those perimeter players would have haha. You either get dunked on each possession, or concede a wide open 3. Your choice...

PhillySportFan
04-19-2017, 02:36 PM
....?

Shaq or Draymond lol

KnicksorBust
04-19-2017, 02:56 PM
I'm just glad the votes are public.

AntiG
04-19-2017, 03:15 PM
lol

how many all-time HOFers in their prime would you even take over prime Shaq? I don't know if I would even take prime MJ over prime Shaq.

HandsOnTheWheel
04-19-2017, 03:23 PM
Great thread

Kyben36
04-19-2017, 03:33 PM
This is probably the most laughable threat i have seen in a while.

valade16
04-19-2017, 04:02 PM
Wake me when Shaq can switch onto a PG...

europagnpilgrim
04-19-2017, 04:28 PM
Wake me when Shaq can switch onto a PG...

Wake me up when Draymond can have a new start franchise in the Finals by his third season

Wake me up when Draymond commands a double-triple team before the ball crosses half court

Wake me up, or just let me dream so at least I can wish Dray can be compared to Diesel

psd sometimes has to do like the media and make threads for shock value, I salute

Kyben36
04-19-2017, 04:28 PM
wake me when shaq can switch onto a pg...

wake me when green can carry a team to a championship without being the 3rd or 4th best players on that team.

Wake me when green wins 1 nba finals mvp much less shaqs 3.

Wake me when green wins an mvp mvp

wake me when green gets one nba first team bid, much less shaqs 8

wake me when green has one scoring tittle (shaq had 2 )

i mean, homer or not you cant really be serious. Shaq is an alltime great, give me a break.

HandsOnTheWheel
04-19-2017, 04:37 PM
Wake me when Shaq can switch onto a PG...

So what's your point bro.

Hawkeye15
04-19-2017, 04:41 PM
Wake me when Shaq can switch onto a PG...

again, read my post above. Wake me up when a team can stop Shaq without shooters, let alone with the floor spreading power GS has. It would be the most unfair offense the world has ever seen. Won't double (being nice, in reality load the entire side of the floor he is on) Shaq? Dunk. Double Shaq? Wide open 3. That goes on for 48 minutes, one option or the other.

TrueFan420
04-19-2017, 04:45 PM
Shaq and its not close

TrueFan420
04-19-2017, 04:47 PM
....?

Shaq or Draymond lol

its a continuation from a stupid hypothetical about dray for kawhi. where most agreed neither team would do the trade. Spurs cause kawhi is the better player. warriors cause the versatility dray brings and we have klay/KD/Iggy at the 2-3 already.

Saddletramp
04-19-2017, 05:31 PM
Wake me when Shaq can switch onto a PG...

You got a few of 'em with that. Good one.

Quinnsanity
04-19-2017, 05:36 PM
lol

how many all-time HOFers in their prime would you even take over prime Shaq? I don't know if I would even take prime MJ over prime Shaq.

Pretty much this. If you have a prime, in shape, motivated Shaq the only players you could credibly argue have more value are MJ and LeBron. And I'm not even sure they'd beat him. That version of Shaq was just so rare.

valade16
04-19-2017, 05:47 PM
You got a few of 'em with that. Good one.

Lol.

Hawkeye15
04-19-2017, 05:47 PM
Lol.

damnit

HandsOnTheWheel
04-19-2017, 05:52 PM
Don't think he was joking till he read the responses. :)

still1ballin
04-19-2017, 05:57 PM
Is this seriously a question?

KB24PG16
04-19-2017, 06:08 PM
lol, please

More-Than-Most
04-19-2017, 06:16 PM
Lol I love ya bro but come on... This is so disrespectful xD

kdspurman
04-19-2017, 06:22 PM
Don't think he was joking till he read the responses. :)

He def was

WaDe03
04-19-2017, 06:26 PM
If you vote green delete your account lmao!

KingPosey
04-19-2017, 06:42 PM
lol this is ridiculous. Prime Shaq vs Green on any team in all of history and it doesn't matter. Ones a well rounded good role player and ones an all time great franchise player only ever limited by himself. Lol Dreymond green or shaq? hahahaha

Vee-Rex
04-19-2017, 07:19 PM
I'll take prime Shaq over Green for sure.

But I'll never take prime Shaq over David Lee.

valade16
04-19-2017, 07:45 PM
i'll take prime shaq over green for sure.

But i'll never take prime shaq over david lee.

lol.

KnicksorBust
04-19-2017, 07:58 PM
Wake me when Shaq can switch onto a PG...

Troll :)


again, read my post above. Wake me up when a team can stop Shaq without shooters, let alone with the floor spreading power GS has. It would be the most unfair offense the world has ever seen. Won't double (being nice, in reality load the entire side of the floor he is on) Shaq? Dunk. Double Shaq? Wide open 3. That goes on for 48 minutes, one option or the other.

:laugh: Come on Hawk!

Firefistus
04-19-2017, 07:58 PM
I wonder if Green could stop Shaq right now? Now THAT'S a question!! (He's improved his free throw since being in the league according to TNT's free throw contests that they have with him)


;)

lol, please
04-19-2017, 08:04 PM
lol this is ridiculous. Prime Shaq vs Green on any team in all of history and it doesn't matter. Ones a well rounded good role player and ones an all time great franchise player only ever limited by himself. Lol Dreymond green or shaq? hahahaha

Don't let tredigs hear you call Green a role player.

;)

flea
04-19-2017, 08:16 PM
Delete your life.

GREATNESS ONE
04-19-2017, 09:02 PM
Lol Vlade got owned.

This isn't even a comparison and no knock on Green but Prime Shaq is and was the most unstoppable force ever....

Raps18-19 Champ
04-19-2017, 09:05 PM
Something's wrong with that boy.

Saddletramp
04-19-2017, 09:07 PM
Lol Vlade got owned.

This isn't even a comparison and no knock on Green but Prime Shaq is and was the most unstoppable force ever....

What does Divac have to do with anything?

nastynice
04-19-2017, 11:21 PM
Easy question. Not only is draymond the overall better more versatile player, he also fits the dubs perfectly.

I'm not saying he's better straight up, just that overall he is. He's an OVERALL better player

Scoots
04-19-2017, 11:24 PM
So what's your point bro.

I'm fairly sure it was a joke.

HandsOnTheWheel
04-19-2017, 11:41 PM
I'm fairly sure it was a joke.

Oh fairly.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 11:45 PM
Easy question. Not only is draymond the overall better more versatile player, he also fits the dubs perfectly.

I'm not saying he's better straight up, just that overall he is. He's an OVERALL better player

:clap:

Storch
04-20-2017, 01:05 AM
Shaq.

Teams triple teamed him and that would leave iggy durant thompson and curry wide open all night long.

This thread is dumb.

GREATNESS ONE
04-20-2017, 01:07 AM
What does Divac have to do with anything?

:laugh:

I can't stop laughing!

More-Than-Most
04-20-2017, 01:14 AM
might be the most lopsided poll in psd history :laugh:

JAZZNC
04-20-2017, 07:38 AM
Easy question. Not only is draymond the overall better more versatile player, he also fits the dubs perfectly.

I'm not saying he's better straight up, just that overall he is. He's an OVERALL better player

No he's not.

One Nut Kruk
04-20-2017, 07:41 AM
No he's not.

Correct. And why didn't he vote for Draymond?

PowerHouse
04-20-2017, 08:59 AM
This has to be the most lop-sided poll in PSD history.

What will be the next comparison?

Michael Jordan vs JJ Redick?

Vee-Rex
04-20-2017, 09:24 AM
This has to be the most lop-sided poll in PSD history.

What will be the next comparison?

Michael Jordan vs JJ Redick?

Redick's a much better 3-point shooter.

Just sayin'.

BoSox47
04-20-2017, 09:34 AM
Was this meant to be a troll poll or was the OG poster serious with this?

YAALREADYKNO
04-20-2017, 09:46 AM
😂😂😂

nastynice
04-20-2017, 10:50 AM
No he's not.

I'm saying OVERALL tho, not straight up. He's just OVERALL better

BoSox47
04-20-2017, 11:35 AM
I'm saying OVERALL tho, not straight up. He's just OVERALL better

lol 31-0 right now suggests your are wrong.

LA4life24/8
04-20-2017, 11:55 AM
This isn't too much of a debate. Its shaq. Dude is one of if not the most dominant players of all time

He would open up their 3 pt shots improve their rebounding tenfold and teams w good big men couldn't just dump it down low for an easy bucket.

Dray is solid, but he's not franchise carrying solid like shaq. Does he do some things shaq couldn't? Sure. But shaq dominated the court like dray never will be able to do.

nastynice
04-20-2017, 02:07 PM
lol 31-0 right now suggests your are wrong.

That's because casual fans don't understand the game of basketball as well as I do

nastynice
04-20-2017, 02:08 PM
I'm just playin bro, obviously shaq's better. I was just looking for a reason to capitalize "overall", and see if I get called out on it, lol

Hawkeye15
04-20-2017, 02:20 PM
I'm saying OVERALL tho, not straight up. He's just OVERALL better

what do you mean by that? We all know Shaq impact>>>>>>>>>>Green impact. But I am curious exactly what you mean.

nastynice
04-20-2017, 02:28 PM
what do you mean by that? We all know Shaq impact>>>>>>>>>>Green impact. But I am curious exactly what you mean.

I myself ain't even sure.

It makes no sense, lol

Hawkeye15
04-20-2017, 02:37 PM
I myself ain't even sure.

It makes no sense, lol

you were just being a hipster....different just to be different haha

AntiG
04-20-2017, 02:38 PM
I'll take prime Shaq over Green for sure.

But I'll never take prime Shaq over David Lee.

David Lee or Prime Shaq could never compare to the GOAT White Mamba.

giantspwn
04-20-2017, 02:50 PM
I'll play devils advocate.

I'll take Green. Transition defense(versatility) and the Warriors ability to play small. The Warriors already have three elite scorers. Having Shaq on the floor would change the entirety of Kerrs offense. Although Shaq's an alltime great, his skill and size wouldn't get fully utilized because it would take away from other future hall of famers on the floor.

Similar argument too Green being more valuable than Curry. Curry although best player in the league, isn't as impactful because Klay and Durant get more shots and Green putting the Warriors defense near elite.

Hustla23
04-20-2017, 03:12 PM
If Shaq couldn't pass, you might have somewhat of an argument.

But Shaq was a gifted passer and would dissect teams to death just hitting Klay, Curry, and Durant all night long. That team would probably never lose a game. A perfect season wouldn't be out of the question.

RLundi
04-20-2017, 03:54 PM
This is probably the most laughable threat i have seen in a while.

No threat is a laughing matter. All should be taken seriously.

lol, please
04-20-2017, 08:48 PM
This has to be the most lop-sided poll in PSD history.

What will be the next comparison?

Michael Jordan vs JJ Redick?

To be fair, it's which player fits the team/system better, not who is the better player p4p.

I'm not saying Green is the right answer, but giantspwn already gave a decent argument for Green and I know tredigs can give one as well if he really wanted one.

This question arose from a derailing discussion in another thread about Green's imporatance to the team and his impact in general, and I think anyone who seriously considers Green an integral part of the warriors success could, could make a case here that Green help this team more than a prime shaq would.

One Nut Kruk
04-20-2017, 09:10 PM
You're smoking too much green if you're going with Green.

cheetos185
04-20-2017, 09:22 PM
Shaq is a franchise player green isn't haha.

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mrblisterdundee
04-20-2017, 09:34 PM
The Warriors already have McGee, so Green all the way.:cool:

AllDay28
04-20-2017, 09:40 PM
Anyone saying draymond is too young to have watched Shaq play lol

FlashBolt
04-20-2017, 09:55 PM
LMFAO, this is stupid.. It's like asking if you would take Hello Kitty or King Kong in a fight.

Raps18-19 Champ
04-20-2017, 10:00 PM
Lol, please is also this dumb on this boxing forum site he posts on too.

ewing
04-21-2017, 12:12 AM
Troll :)



:laugh: Come on Hawk!

Hawk is completely right


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ewing
04-21-2017, 12:15 AM
Seriously though who is better Kyrie Irving or Ricky Rubio?


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bbcmillionaire
04-21-2017, 01:44 AM
🤣🤣😂 soooo let's see a sf/pf hybrid or one of the 2 most dominant players of all time..... I mean can you imagine Shaw getting triple teamed on a floor full of shooters?

YAALREADYKNO
04-21-2017, 12:13 PM
😂😂😂

sixer04fan
04-21-2017, 12:18 PM
Yeah but the real question is Patrick McCaw or prime Michael Jordan?

tredigs
04-21-2017, 12:37 PM
Was this meant to be a troll poll or was the OG poster serious with this?

He's trolling, obviously. Funny that people are actually responding.

IKnowHoops
04-21-2017, 12:46 PM
Is this a serious question?

IKnowHoops
04-21-2017, 12:58 PM
What does Divac have to do with anything?

:laugh::laugh:

Love reading through this thread a couple days late. Y'all some hams

nastynice
04-21-2017, 01:02 PM
I think shaq and curry of the floor at the same time would be the makings of the best team in nba history. The gravity effect of those two is unmatched, to be on the floor at once, probably about as helpless as a defense could feel

IKnowHoops
04-21-2017, 01:06 PM
No threat is a laughing matter. All should be taken seriously.

:laugh2:

IKnowHoops
04-21-2017, 01:13 PM
I think shaq and curry of the floor at the same time would be the makings of the best team in nba history. The gravity effect of those two is unmatched, to be on the floor at once, probably about as helpless as a defense could feel

Like the other poster said, if you add Shaq for Green to this team, then an undefeated season is not out of the question. They would not loose a game if that was there goal.

slyone_nyc
04-21-2017, 01:36 PM
One of the dumbest threads i ever saw!

FlashBolt
04-21-2017, 01:50 PM
Kobe+Shaq made one of the greatest teams ever.. KD+SHAQ+CURRY+KLAY? What's the point of NBA?

nastynice
04-21-2017, 02:47 PM
Kobe+Shaq made one of the greatest teams ever.. KD+SHAQ+CURRY+KLAY? What's the point of NBA?

Not even necessary, just shaq and curry, then role players. Two players on the floor that each legit command up to 4+ defenders attention with the ball, 2+ without. One inside, one outside. When grinding play inside out. When running play outside in.

Hawkeye15
04-21-2017, 03:05 PM
Seriously though who is better Kyrie Irving or Ricky Rubio?


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depends for what team...:)

Jeffy25
04-21-2017, 03:25 PM
not a debate, Shaq obviously

lol, please
04-21-2017, 10:14 PM
Lol, please is also this dumb on this boxing forum site he posts on too.

The one where I have a ridiculously high fight outcome prediction percentage, and I just walked away winning POTY in?

:laugh2:

Make a thread calling me out over there and let me ether you in it, the amount of people who would say I don't know boxing over there is a small one, especially if you don't count alts.

lol, please
04-21-2017, 10:15 PM
Kobe+Shaq made one of the greatest teams ever.. KD+SHAQ+CURRY+KLAY? What's the point of NBA?
I don't think you're asking the right question.


How awesome would it be?

GoferKing_
04-22-2017, 10:39 AM
lol, please....

carlessyen
04-22-2017, 11:48 AM
Dudes in the league now would have no answer for Shaq, people saying double and triple teams? With this league today put five in the box shaq getting a double double they'd all be flopping.

FlashBolt
04-22-2017, 12:08 PM
I don't think you're asking the right question.


How awesome would it be?

Yet, you probably voted for Green... How awesome would it be? It wouldn't be awesome for 29 other teams.. With Green, Warriors are easily still the best team in the league. With Shaq, you're looking at an all-time creation team here. Curry+KD are both better than Kobe offensively so basically what I'm trying to say is Green's defense is irrelevant. It's only better than Shaq's because of the three point implication that now allows Green to cover smaller defenders and be more perimeter oriented. Against a taller and better player, Green wouldn't be able to defend them or outrebound. There's just no scenario where Green beats Shaq other than shooting and that's a moot point considering no coach would be able to come up with a strategy to stop the most dominating center in modern NBA along with three all time great shooters.

lol, please
04-22-2017, 03:05 PM
Yet, you probably voted for Green... How awesome would it be? It wouldn't be awesome for 29 other teams.. With Green, Warriors are easily still the best team in the league. With Shaq, you're looking at an all-time creation team here. Curry+KD are both better than Kobe offensively so basically what I'm trying to say is Green's defense is irrelevant. It's only better than Shaq's because of the three point implication that now allows Green to cover smaller defenders and be more perimeter oriented. Against a taller and better player, Green wouldn't be able to defend them or outrebound. There's just no scenario where Green beats Shaq other than shooting and that's a moot point considering no coach would be able to come up with a strategy to stop the most dominating center in modern NBA along with three all time great shooters.

I didn't vote green, lol, you should be more than familiar enough with me as a poster to know not only is green my least favorite warrior, but SHAQ is my favorite NBA player of all time.

I made this thread because tredigs insinuated (or so I thought at the time) that he thinks Green is more valuable to this team than an elite Center, and I had to see how popular of an opinion that was.

That has nothing to do with how awesome it would be to see Durant/Curry/Klay/Shaq on the same floor on the same team though.

Wasn't Jordan's Bulls an awesome team to watch? I wasn't a Bulls fan, but I tuned in when I could.

I agree that there is no scenario where Green beats Shaq, I got hard just reading that.

goingfor28
04-22-2017, 09:11 PM
You make the worst threads.

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tredigs
04-22-2017, 09:14 PM
I didn't vote green, lol, you should be more than familiar enough with me as a poster to know not only is green my least favorite warrior, but SHAQ is my favorite NBA player of all time.

I made this thread because tredigs insinuated (or so I thought at the time) that he thinks Green is more valuable to this team than an elite Center, and I had to see how popular of an opinion that was.

That has nothing to do with how awesome it would be to see Durant/Curry/Klay/Shaq on the same floor on the same team though.

Wasn't Jordan's Bulls an awesome team to watch? I wasn't a Bulls fan, but I tuned in when I could.

I agree that there is no scenario where Green beats Shaq, I got hard just reading that.

Lol No, as I made clear at the time you just completely failed at reading comprehension, but I can quote the posts if you like. I specifically quoted and laughed at your mention of saying something along the lines of, "Well would rather have a solid center (prime shaq) instead of Draymond?". As in you are trying to pawn PRIME SHAQ off as a "solid center". As per usual your posts did not exactly mesh well with logic/reality.

Use my example from earlier and redo this thread with Rik Smits (a far better than average center so I'm doing you a favor) instead of Draymond on the Warriors, and it's a debate worth having rather than your silly little troll thread.

Edit: to be clear Lol, please has always hated Draymond because he has been laughed out of threads for 3 years arguing David Lee as the superior player and was beyond perplexed at the decision to ultimately role with Green. Maybe the world is wrong and please is right. Idk. Don't drag me into your dumb *** bull ****.

lol, please
04-22-2017, 11:48 PM
Lol No, as I made clear at the time you just completely failed at reading comprehension, but I can quote the posts if you like. I specifically quoted and laughed at your mention of saying something along the lines of, "Well would rather have a solid center (prime shaq) instead of Draymond?". As in you are trying to pawn PRIME SHAQ off as a "solid center". As per usual your posts did not exactly mesh well with logic/reality.

Use my example from earlier and redo this thread with Rik Smits (a far better than average center so I'm doing you a favor) instead of Draymond on the Warriors, and it's a debate worth having rather than your silly little troll thread.

Edit: to be clear Lol, please has always hated Draymond because he has been laughed out of threads for 3 years arguing David Lee as the superior player and was beyond perplexed at the decision to ultimately role with Green. Maybe the world is wrong and please is right. Idk. Don't drag me into your dumb *** bull ****.
You want to have the debate with an average center because it's an easy decision to make.

Shaq would be a better choice for this team and it's a unanimous decision and I am more than satisfied with that, lol. It's music to my ears.

Nice edit though, at least i'm consistent with my choice and reasoning about it lol, And that's not really why I dislike Green, I dislike him more because of his style of play and attitude, which can also be considered a perk as well, I felt that way when we drafted him, actually the first thing that rubbed me the wrong way about him was that he chucked 3's and imo has never been efficient enough to warrant the green lights though his efficiency did improve over the seasons.

goingfor28
04-23-2017, 01:53 AM
How your thread making privileges weren't revoked a LONG time ago baffles me.
What a joke.
A glorified role player vs Shaq isn't even a debate.
This thread, along with many others you've made, should've been closed as soon as it was posted.
You must be 12 years old to even think this is a legit debate

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IKnowHoops
04-23-2017, 01:59 AM
Lol No, as I made clear at the time you just completely failed at reading comprehension, but I can quote the posts if you like. I specifically quoted and laughed at your mention of saying something along the lines of, "Well would rather have a solid center (prime shaq) instead of Draymond?". As in you are trying to pawn PRIME SHAQ off as a "solid center". As per usual your posts did not exactly mesh well with logic/reality.

Use my example from earlier and redo this thread with Rik Smits (a far better than average center so I'm doing you a favor) instead of Draymond on the Warriors, and it's a debate worth having rather than your silly little troll thread.

Edit: to be clear Lol, please has always hated Draymond because he has been laughed out of threads for 3 years arguing David Lee as the superior player and was beyond perplexed at the decision to ultimately role with Green. Maybe the world is wrong and please is right. Idk. Don't drag me into your dumb *** bull ****.

The creation of this thread finally made sense.

ewing
04-23-2017, 08:36 AM
depends for what team...:)

:puke:

valade16
04-23-2017, 09:11 AM
I think the better question is would the Warriors be better off with prime LeBron or Draymond Green.

Scoots
04-23-2017, 10:23 AM
actually the first thing that rubbed me the wrong way about him was that he chucked 3's and imo has never been efficient enough to warrant the green lights

You didn't like him because he attempted less than 1 3 a game as a rookie? Wow. That year I was telling everyone my favorite rookie was Draymond Green.

I'm amazed this troll thread has gone this many pages.

Scoots
04-23-2017, 10:24 AM
I think the better question is would the Warriors be better off with prime LeBron or Draymond Green.

I'm not sure what I would do given the choice of CURRENT LeBron or Green ... but prime? Honestly I don't think you can pass on a top 5 players all time at their prime ever.

Would LeBron be willing to play the 4?

IKnowHoops
04-23-2017, 01:31 PM
I'm not sure what I would do given the choice of CURRENT LeBron or Green ... but prime? Honestly I don't think you can pass on a top 5 players all time at their prime ever.

Would LeBron be willing to play the 4?

:speechless:

nastynice
04-23-2017, 02:09 PM
I'm not sure what I would do given the choice of CURRENT LeBron or Green ... but prime? Honestly I don't think you can pass on a top 5 players all time at their prime ever.

Would LeBron be willing to play the 4?

I go Green. Lebron isn't built to play within a system, he is too dominant, he himself is a system.

Ahh, now I kinda get the op. There would def be some negative consequences going with shaq, no versatility. Still tho, surrounding him with shooters seems like a pretty good idea.

valade16
04-23-2017, 02:50 PM
Obviously the comparison is hypothetical and in a vacuum but if you're the Warriors how do you not trade Dray for LeBron right now just to eliminate the Cavs as a competition for the Championship. No way they are a threat to GS with Dray/Love/Kyrie.

Tg11
04-23-2017, 02:55 PM
For me it is not even a question...Shaq

nastynice
04-23-2017, 03:02 PM
Obviously the comparison is hypothetical and in a vacuum but if you're the Warriors how do you not trade Dray for LeBron right now just to eliminate the Cavs as a competition for the Championship. No way they are a threat to GS with Dray/Love/Kyrie.

I'm still not 100% sold on the KD pickup. I get the idea that you add a top 5 player no matter what, but I dunno, chemistry is important

I DO think it will pay dividends in later rounds as things grind heavier, but we still gotta see..

lol, please
04-23-2017, 03:18 PM
I'm still not 100% sold on the KD pickup. I get the idea that you add a top 5 player no matter what, but I dunno, chemistry is important

I DO think it will pay dividends in later rounds as things grind heavier, but we still gotta see..

How are you not sold?

:laugh2:

Have you seen anything at all that would lead you to believe that Durant hasn't integrated himself seamlessly with this team, chemistry wise? Anything at all?

Because I haven't and I've watched most of the games this season and have been paying attention to the local media all year.

lol, please
04-23-2017, 03:21 PM
The creation of this thread finally made sense.

I wanted to be sure I wasn't the only person on earth who would take SHAQ over Green on this team without thinking twice about it - I am aware my blind love for SHAQ may blind me sometimes. Now, whenever I need help getting an erection, I can just look at this poll.

lol, please
04-23-2017, 03:23 PM
I go Green. Lebron isn't built to play within a system, he is too dominant, he himself is a system.

Ahh, now I kinda get the op. There would def be some negative consequences going with shaq, no versatility. Still tho, surrounding him with shooters seems like a pretty good idea.

Agreed about Green.

IKnowHoops is a LeChoke fan so he's always going to champion him, but Lebron on this team would be disastrous.

Scoots
04-23-2017, 04:46 PM
I'm still not 100% sold on the KD pickup. I get the idea that you add a top 5 player no matter what, but I dunno, chemistry is important

I DO think it will pay dividends in later rounds as things grind heavier, but we still gotta see..

I wasn't sold on the KD deal in a vacuum, but when you consider it was either Harrison Barnes at $22M or KD at $26M it becomes a no brainer. Then you add in the fact that KD has bought in and has been great in chemistry and it gets even more obvious.

Current LeBron trade? I don't think I'd do it because I don't know how much longer LeBron is going to play let alone at this level, and LeBron doesn't really fit. PRIME LeBron is a no brainer.

valade16
04-23-2017, 05:33 PM
I wasn't sold on the KD deal in a vacuum, but when you consider it was either Harrison Barnes at $22M or KD at $26M it becomes a no brainer. Then you add in the fact that KD has bought in and has been great in chemistry and it gets even more obvious.

Current LeBron trade? I don't think I'd do it because I don't know how much longer LeBron is going to play let alone at this level, and LeBron doesn't really fit. PRIME LeBron is a no brainer.

How much worse is LeBron now than Prime LeBron?

If LeBron now doesn't really fit, prime LeBron wouldn't fit either.

valade16
04-23-2017, 05:34 PM
Agreed about Green.

IKnowHoops is a LeChoke fan so he's always going to champion him, but Lebron on this team would be disastrous.

If by disastrous you mean a near lock to win the championship and possibly (probably) better than ever then yes, disastrous.

lol, please
04-23-2017, 06:00 PM
If by disastrous you mean a near lock to win the championship and possibly (probably) better than ever then yes, disastrous.
Lebron would hog the ball, alter the defensive schemes, and take shots away from more efficient players like durant, curry, and klay.

It would look good on paper, but it would be like the year Nash and Howard joined Kobe. A roster full of names that falls short.

nastynice
04-23-2017, 06:03 PM
How are you not sold?

:laugh2:

Have you seen anything at all that would lead you to believe that Durant hasn't integrated himself seamlessly with this team, chemistry wise? Anything at all?

Because I haven't and I've watched most of the games this season and have been paying attention to the local media all year.

Way more stagnant, way more iso. We clearly play better team ball without him.

The deeper you go in the playoffs, the more you have to rely on that slow iso ball, so I'm still happy about the pickup because it could still end up paying off

nastynice
04-23-2017, 06:06 PM
I wasn't sold on the KD deal in a vacuum, but when you consider it was either Harrison Barnes at $22M or KD at $26M it becomes a no brainer. Then you add in the fact that KD has bought in and has been great in chemistry and it gets even more obvious.

Current LeBron trade? I don't think I'd do it because I don't know how much longer LeBron is going to play let alone at this level, and LeBron doesn't really fit. PRIME LeBron is a no brainer.

Umm, he is easily in his prime right now. His mental growth has more than made up for any physical drop off

Today's lebron is far and away better than any version of lebron we've ever seen, IMO

FlashBolt
04-24-2017, 12:14 AM
Umm, he is easily in his prime right now. His mental growth has more than made up for any physical drop off

Today's lebron is far and away better than any version of lebron we've ever seen, IMO

Disagree on this. He might be mentally the best but his physical decline is too evident here. 2012-2013 was his best season due to just the combined balance of athleticism/mental aspect of the game was at his highest. His physical peak is probably his 08-09 season. This season he's mentally the strongest but I'm seeing way too many opportunities in the game that he can't take advantage of just because his age has caught up with him slightly. He would blow past guys like Kawhi in his older days. No longer the case now where he's slower and can't elevate as high.

tredigs
04-24-2017, 02:00 AM
Disagree on this. He might be mentally the best but his physical decline is too evident here. 2012-2013 was his best season due to just the combined balance of athleticism/mental aspect of the game was at his highest. His physical peak is probably his 08-09 season. This season he's mentally the strongest but I'm seeing way too many opportunities in the game that he can't take advantage of just because his age has caught up with him slightly. He would blow past guys like Kawhi in his older days. No longer the case now where he's slower and can't elevate as high.

Mentally the strongest until he gets slapped in the face. Good showing last year, but LBJ has a history of caving under pressure. This year will be no godsend. He will lose. And he will very likely be embarrassed.

IKnowHoops
04-24-2017, 02:11 AM
Agreed about Green.

IKnowHoops is a LeChoke fan so he's always going to champion him, but Lebron on this team would be disastrous.

:speechless:

IKnowHoops
04-24-2017, 02:12 AM
I wasn't sold on the KD deal in a vacuum, but when you consider it was either Harrison Barnes at $22M or KD at $26M it becomes a no brainer. Then you add in the fact that KD has bought in and has been great in chemistry and it gets even more obvious.

Current LeBron trade? I don't think I'd do it because I don't know how much longer LeBron is going to play let alone at this level, and LeBron doesn't really fit. PRIME LeBron is a no brainer.

:speechless:

IKnowHoops
04-24-2017, 02:15 AM
Lebron would hog the ball, alter the defensive schemes, and take shots away from more efficient players like durant, curry, and klay.

It would look good on paper, but it would be like the year Nash and Howard joined Kobe. A roster full of names that falls short.

:speechless:

IKnowHoops
04-24-2017, 02:17 AM
Mentally the strongest until he gets slapped in the face. Good showing last year, but LBJ has a history of caving under pressure. This year will be no godsend. He will lose. And he will very likely be embarrassed.

:laugh:

sf-fanatic
04-24-2017, 03:45 AM
I'd take Shaq, but I'll take GOAT Playoff McGee over both.

sf-fanatic
04-24-2017, 03:58 AM
Lol No, as I made clear at the time you just completely failed at reading comprehension, but I can quote the posts if you like. I specifically quoted and laughed at your mention of saying something along the lines of, "Well would rather have a solid center (prime shaq) instead of Draymond?". As in you are trying to pawn PRIME SHAQ off as a "solid center". As per usual your posts did not exactly mesh well with logic/reality.

Use my example from earlier and redo this thread with Rik Smits (a far better than average center so I'm doing you a favor) instead of Draymond on the Warriors, and it's a debate worth having rather than your silly little troll thread.

Edit: to be clear Lol, please has always hated Draymond because he has been laughed out of threads for 3 years arguing David Lee as the superior player and was beyond perplexed at the decision to ultimately role with Green. Maybe the world is wrong and please is right. Idk. Don't drag me into your dumb *** bull ****.

Prime Shaq isnt solid lol. Prime shaq is a once in a generation talent.

If we are looking at "solid centers," by my definition that means a center ranked in the 8-15 range in the NBA. For today's definition of a solid center, I'd probably say DeAndre Jordan, Marcin Gortat, Steven Adams, Myles Turner are good examples of "solid" for this year. I would take Draymond over all those guys. I was looking at the current NBA centers, and there might only be 1-2 that I take over Draymond and not even sure IF i even do the move.

More-Than-Most
04-24-2017, 03:59 AM
Mentally the strongest until he gets slapped in the face. Good showing last year, but LBJ has a history of caving under pressure. This year will be no godsend. He will lose. And he will very likely be embarrassed.

has he ever blown a 3-1 lead with 2 games at home in the finals? serious question... Nope didnt think so.

IKnowHoops
04-24-2017, 05:46 AM
has he ever blown a 3-1 lead with 2 games at home in the finals? serious question... Nope didnt think so.

:laugh2:

valade16
04-24-2017, 02:55 PM
Lebron would hog the ball, alter the defensive schemes, and take shots away from more efficient players like durant, curry, and klay.

It would look good on paper, but it would be like the year Nash and Howard joined Kobe. A roster full of names that falls short.

A strategy so disastrous it beat the very team and schemes you are talking about for the Championship.

The problem I'm seeing with Warriors fans is this weird belief that different = worse.

sf-fanatic
04-24-2017, 03:34 PM
A strategy so disastrous it beat the very team and schemes you are talking about for the Championship.

The problem I'm seeing with Warriors fans is this weird belief that different = worse.

Different doesnt equal worst. But unnecessary change COULD be worst if you change a system that is working as well if not better than the Lebron System. Why would you change what's working the past 3 years to accommodate a guy thats gonna turn 33 this year ? In a few years, it's going to be easier to replace parts of the current warrior system than Lebron James.

valade16
04-24-2017, 05:24 PM
Different doesnt equal worst. But unnecessary change COULD be worst if you change a system that is working as well if not better than the Lebron System. Why would you change what's working the past 3 years to accommodate a guy thats gonna turn 33 this year ? In a few years, it's going to be easier to replace parts of the current warrior system than Lebron James.

By what measure is the Warrior system working better? Both system's have 1 ring. I would think combining both talents and systems would be the best possible option.

sf-fanatic
04-24-2017, 08:06 PM
By what measure is the Warrior system working better? Both system's have 1 ring. I would think combining both talents and systems would be the best possible option.

I'm not sure why the Warriors would even consider changing the system ? One that is working well and probably one of the tops in the NBA. AND one that the players love and it attracts FAs ? Makes no sense to fix something that isn't broken.

If you are going to take a risk for a change, you need to be confident it's going to work better to deal with the growing pains and adjustment period.

lol, please
04-24-2017, 08:12 PM
By what measure is the Warrior system working better? Both system's have 1 ring. I would think combining both talents and systems would be the best possible option.
How about - better records, higher SRS, higher efficiency - all over several seasons.

"better" isn't measured by "rings" just like ATG resumes aren't compared solely using rings.

besides, "any given sunday" applies to all sports - the better team can lose (as seen in the Warriors loss to the Cavaliers) and still be the better team.

JLynn943
04-24-2017, 08:53 PM
This thread and 90% of the posts in it are embarrassing.

valade16
04-24-2017, 10:00 PM
So questions for Warriors fans.

Is there a player in the entire NBA you'd trade Draymond Green for?

I mean if Kawhi or LeBron aren't enough, who is?

lol, please
04-24-2017, 11:32 PM
So questions for Warriors fans.

Is there a player in the entire NBA you'd trade Draymond Green for?

I mean if Kawhi or LeBron aren't enough, who is?

I'd trade him for Leonard, AD, Giannis, and (maybe) Cousins. I'd also consider Embiid.

I'm in the minority though, I'm probably the only Warriors fan on earth that considers Green overrated.

sf-fanatic
04-25-2017, 12:04 AM
Well I guess if the Warriors traded Green for Leonard/James, the best thing it does it take away the best piece from the Warriors 2 main contenders.

However, I'm not sure if those guys are going to improve the Warriors as much as you think. Because for Lebron, the system will have to be overhauled. And Green is the heart and soul of the Warriors. Leonard fits into the current system better than Lebron though. I'm sure Curry and Klay could hit all the 3s in the Cleveland system but not sure if there will be chemistry problems because Lebron is so ball dominant.

IKnowHoops
04-25-2017, 01:06 AM
I'm not sure why the Warriors would even consider changing the system ? One that is working well and probably one of the tops in the NBA. AND one that the players love and it attracts FAs ? Makes no sense to fix something that isn't broken.

If you are going to take a risk for a change, you need to be confident it's going to work better to deal with the growing pains and adjustment period.

Man this is a no-brainer. Not only do you acquire the games best player, even more valuable, you eliminate him from your competition. You get rid of the only force that could stop you and you think thats a bad idea? Not to mention Lebron can go six games with a healthy warriors team with bums and journey men. As a GS fan, you 100% cannot loose. Both Durant, and Lebron could go down and you would still win. SMH at this.

IKnowHoops
04-25-2017, 01:09 AM
I'd trade him for Leonard, AD, Giannis, and (maybe) Cousins. I'd also consider Embiid.

I'm in the minority though, I'm probably the only Warriors fan on earth that considers Green overrated.

But not Lebron...:speechless:

lol, please
04-25-2017, 02:29 AM
But not Lebron...:speechless:

He doesn't have the intangibles, like leadership, like Curry and Durant do.

tredigs
04-25-2017, 02:40 AM
So questions for Warriors fans.

Is there a player in the entire NBA you'd trade Draymond Green for?

I mean if Kawhi or LeBron aren't enough, who is?

Beyond the on court impact and lack of a need for shots on a team with 3 players who shoot 18 times a night (and that won't change for a new player), on a 17 million dollar a year contract through 2020, hell no there is not a player you would trade him for.

tredigs
04-25-2017, 02:43 AM
Draymond just averaged a damn near triple double and ~2 steals + 4.5 blocks :laugh2: He actually just set the +/- record for any player in a Warriors playoff game (all time) with a +38 tonight (not his first +30 of this series). He was unbelievable.

akagiredsuns
04-25-2017, 03:07 AM
Please stop finding people to compare to the most dominant center in history. This is an absolute joke. Golden State with Shaq would break even their 73-9 mark from last year. How the hell do you pick your poison? Get dunked on or destroyed from 3? Please leave the Jordan era players alone already. We may never see another Shaq at the C position, another Duncan at the PF position or another Kobe/Jordan at the SG position. Good for Green what he's accomplished, but seriously to say these threads are overreaching is an understatement. Take a break from sports threads and go out and live life. Dance with girls or something. Don't even want to know what modern day player in the Flop Era is gonna get compared to Larry Bird or someone else.

sf-fanatic
04-25-2017, 03:37 AM
Man this is a no-brainer. Not only do you acquire the games best player, even more valuable, you eliminate him from your competition. You get rid of the only force that could stop you and you think thats a bad idea? Not to mention Lebron can go six games with a healthy warriors team with bums and journey men. As a GS fan, you 100% cannot loose. Both Durant, and Lebron could go down and you would still win. SMH at this.

I addressed this in the post right before us. It would knock off one of two realistic contenders.

nastynice
04-25-2017, 02:37 PM
So questions for Warriors fans.

Is there a player in the entire NBA you'd trade Draymond Green for?

I mean if Kawhi or LeBron aren't enough, who is?

Wouldn't trade green for anyone

He's a step below elite, but he's a perfect fit. He is currently more important to this team than two elite players already on it

lol, please
04-25-2017, 03:39 PM
Please stop finding people to compare to the most dominant center in history. This is an absolute joke. Golden State with Shaq would break even their 73-9 mark from last year. How the hell do you pick your poison? Get dunked on or destroyed from 3? Please leave the Jordan era players alone already. We may never see another Shaq at the C position, another Duncan at the PF position or another Kobe/Jordan at the SG position. Good for Green what he's accomplished, but seriously to say these threads are overreaching is an understatement. Take a break from sports threads and go out and live life. Dance with girls or something. Don't even want to know what modern day player in the Flop Era is gonna get compared to Larry Bird or someone else.

:clap: :clap:

valade16
04-25-2017, 04:03 PM
He doesn't have the intangibles, like leadership, like Curry and Durant do.

Yet he has more Championships lol.


Beyond the on court impact and lack of a need for shots on a team with 3 players who shoot 18 times a night (and that won't change for a new player), on a 17 million dollar a year contract through 2020, hell no there is not a player you would trade him for.

If MVP is a measure of Most Valuable Player, then you have to think Draymond Green is the most valuable player in the league correct?

valade16
04-25-2017, 04:07 PM
Wouldn't trade green for anyone

He's a step below elite, but he's a perfect fit. He is currently more important to this team than two elite players already on it

I'll ask the same question I did Tredigs then: By your measure, do you have Draymond Green as the MVP?

tredigs
04-25-2017, 04:11 PM
Yet he has more Championships lol.



If MVP is a measure of Most Valuable Player, then you have to think Draymond Green is the most valuable player in the league correct?

MVP is not most valuable player of your specific skill set and how transferable it is, which is what we are discussing here. Swinggg and a miss. If you need help clarifying, re-read my posts. I discussed the Warriors other talent, his skill set, continuity, and his contract. They all factor in. That's why hypotheticals are such a ****ing waste of time.

ewing
04-25-2017, 04:32 PM
he's the goat

FlashBolt
04-25-2017, 04:56 PM
Portland doesn't even have a legitimate C in the series and their PF's are as slow as a turtle.. I'm surprised Draymond didn't play better. He had the biggest mismatch in the series. If you were to send LeBron to the Warriors and delegated him to only defense, he'd be the DPOY. Unfortunately, he has to do more than just guard the almighty, Vonleh..

valade16
04-25-2017, 05:19 PM
MVP is not most valuable player of your specific skill set and how transferable it is, which is what we are discussing here. Swinggg and a miss. If you need help clarifying, re-read my posts. I discussed the Warriors other talent, his skill set, continuity, and his contract. They all factor in. That's why hypotheticals are such a ****ing waste of time.

Just clarify here: Is there any other player as valuable to their team as Draymond Green to the Warriors? Yes or no.

nastynice
04-25-2017, 05:31 PM
I'll ask the same question I did Tredigs then: By your measure, do you have Draymond Green as the MVP?

No, what?? Why would I have him as MVP?

nastynice
04-25-2017, 05:32 PM
Just clarify here: Is there any other player as valuable to their team as Draymond Green to the Warriors? Yes or no.

Westbrook, harden

valade16
04-25-2017, 06:01 PM
Westbrook, harden

Was that the comprehensive list or just off the top of your head? Specifically, do you think Draymond Green is more valuable to the Warriors than LeBron is to the Cavs?

tredigs
04-25-2017, 06:47 PM
Just clarify here: Is there any other player as valuable to their team as Draymond Green to the Warriors? Yes or no.

Yes, you're continually missing something here and I'm not sure how much more plainly to spell it out. You can start with Curry on the Warriors, for one.

tredigs
04-25-2017, 07:53 PM
Portland doesn't even have a legitimate C in the series and their PF's are as slow as a turtle.. I'm surprised Draymond didn't play better. He had the biggest mismatch in the series. If you were to send LeBron to the Warriors and delegated him to only defense, he'd be the DPOY. Unfortunately, he has to do more than just guard the almighty, Vonleh..

~14/10/8 on 50% FG, 55% from 3 (6.7 attempts a game) + 2 spg and 4 bpg. WS/48 .300. 131 O rating. 91 D rating. This is what you call world class unmitigated suck his nuts level of dominance.

nastynice
04-25-2017, 08:00 PM
Was that the comprehensive list or just off the top of your head? Specifically, do you think Draymond Green is more valuable to the Warriors than LeBron is to the Cavs?

Lebron is less replaceable

nastynice
04-25-2017, 08:02 PM
~14/10/8 on 50% FG, 55% from 3 (6.7 attempts a game) + 2 spg and 4 bpg. WS/48 .300. 131 O rating. 91 D rating. This is what you call world class unmitigated suck his nuts level of dominance.

Haha, yea, numbers aside I'm like uh, green had a fantastic series.

That's the thing about the hater. It's so hard to follow because their disconnect from reality is just so extreme.

lol, please
04-26-2017, 12:51 AM
Was that the comprehensive list or just off the top of your head? Specifically, do you think Draymond Green is more valuable to the Warriors than LeBron is to the Cavs?
Without hesitation I think Lebron is more valuable to his team.

They provide value in different ways though.

I am of the opinion that any good and intelligent defender can learn to switch defenders like Green can, and heart/passion is not uncommon in professional sports, so again, I think his value is overblown, but just like with my opinion that Klay can carry a team offensively like Harden, it's ultimately speculation unless they leave to other teams. I would certainly love for Green to end up with his team the Pistons and find out though, with Klay, not so much.

I think Giannis is more important to the Bucks than Green is to the Warriors as well.

I'd say the same about Cousins on the Kings had he not left.

Harden for the Rockets, DeRozan for the Raptors.

FlashBolt
04-26-2017, 11:29 AM
~14/10/8 on 50% FG, 55% from 3 (6.7 attempts a game) + 2 spg and 4 bpg. WS/48 .300. 131 O rating. 91 D rating. This is what you call world class unmitigated suck his nuts level of dominance.

It looked good but Portland had nothing to prevent a guy like Draymond to dominate. The rebounds/assists are always there for Draymond. He's a PF playing 30+ minutes, he better be grabbing 8-10 rebounds per game. Assists come easily when they play the pick-n-roll and Dray just passes it to snipers or what we saw this series, Javale just ate up the small lineup of the Blazers. When Javale is scoring on you guys, then there is a problem. I like the blocks and everything else but breaking it down, there wasn't anything spectacular about it due to the team he was playing against. If he does this against Utah, I would agree with you. At the end of the day, I think Green showed just how great he is defensively. I saw a video of this guy guarding all five of the Blazers players in one possession. I think he's DPOY. Him or Gobert.

Here's the video:
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/25/15420756/draymond-green-defense-breakdown-nba-warriors-blazers

valade16
04-26-2017, 12:02 PM
Yeah I think both are true. Green dominated this series, against Vonleh, Meyers Leonard and Mo Harkless. Without Nurkic there really was no big man that was any good for Portland.

ewing
04-26-2017, 12:44 PM
Trivia

who is more powerful Green or God? (answer is in white)


trick question: Green is God

R. Johnson#3
04-26-2017, 03:08 PM
It's clear to see that OP never actually saw Shaq play in LA.

lol, please
04-26-2017, 03:34 PM
It's clear to see that OP never actually saw Shaq play in LA.

I definitely did, SHAQ has been my favorite all time player since he was on the Magic.

Ty Fast
04-27-2017, 10:48 PM
If u traded Draymond for a prime Shaq the Dubs would go 82 - 0 and 16 - 0 in the playoffs.