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RedSoxtober
04-19-2017, 09:39 AM
Funny, there were a lot of "dark horse" picks for the Blue Jays to win the division with strong pitching and a solid lineup yet they're easily the team struggling most to find themselves at the start of the season. Good time for the Sox to distance themselves from them.

Game 1: Brian Johnson (0-0) vs Marcus Stroman (1-1, 1.76)
Game 2: Rick Porcello (1-1, 7.56) vs Francisco Liriano (0-1, 9.00)
Game 3: Chris Sale (1-1, 1.25) vs Marco Estrada (0-1, 3.50)

Pittz
04-19-2017, 11:14 AM
Look at those ERA's for tonight's game. Tempted to bet the over, but I actually like both pitchers...

Wouldn't be surprised by any outcome tonight, hopefully we see PorCYlo in action and the offense keeps it going.

RedSoxtober
04-19-2017, 02:20 PM
Huh. I wanted to blame Porcello's bad starts on cool temps and a resulting lack of feel for his pitches but it turns out that his best start was the coldest weather he faced. In that case, I hope they crank the AC.

Liriano, on the other hand, I never really trusted. A short run of prime-age results partly inflated by living life in the NL has come to an end IMO. He was just never the same after the elbow went.

JDow
04-19-2017, 04:51 PM
Funny, there were a lot of "dark horse" picks for the Blue Jays to win the division with strong pitching and a solid lineup yet they're easily the team struggling most to find themselves at the start of the season. Good time for the Sox to distance themselves from them.

Game 1: Brian Johnson (0-0) vs Marcus Stroman (1-1, 1.76)
Game 2: Rick Porcello (1-1, 7.56) vs Francisco Liriano (0-1, 9.00)
Game 3: Chris Sale (1-1, 1.25) vs Marco Estrada (0-1, 3.50)

I will be honest, I pegged the Jays as one of the Wild Card teams and my pick isn't looking so good, but I'll gladly be wrong!

Pittz
04-20-2017, 09:19 AM
Liriano, on the other hand, I never really trusted. A short run of prime-age results partly inflated by living life in the NL has come to an end IMO. He was just never the same after the elbow went.

I buy into the Russell Martin effect for Liriano. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being horrible and not able to command his slider this year, but I think he's a mid-3 ERA pitcher with high strikeout upside. Very low floor though.

RedSoxtober
04-20-2017, 01:43 PM
Is Salty vs Sale really even fair?

Pittz
04-20-2017, 02:26 PM
We really don't like giving Sale any run support.

Green_Monster
04-20-2017, 03:02 PM
Sale is just ridiculous.

BSF101
04-20-2017, 03:11 PM
Leave to the Red Sox not being able to keep a 1-0 lead in the 9th. Same crap every game.

Pittz
04-20-2017, 03:13 PM
I would have kept Sale in to start the bottom of the ninth with the shortest of leashes, but I understand the argument to bring Kimbrel in there.

But... ****.

Pittz
04-20-2017, 03:15 PM
Leave to the Red Sox not being able to keep a 1-0 lead in the 9th. Same crap every game.

I wish you kept your word and never returned to the Red Sox forum.

Leave it to you to give us all hope, just to see nothing change. Same crap every game.

Soxfan85
04-20-2017, 03:33 PM
Betts!!!

The Allen
04-20-2017, 04:00 PM
Sale is remarkable, Betts is remarkable, Kimbrel is remarkable.

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Bosston
04-20-2017, 04:43 PM
Leave to the Red Sox not being able to keep a 1-0 lead in the 9th. Same crap every game.

I really don't understand why you're a fan of these teams if you literally never have ANYTHING positive to say... it's like you hope for them to fail so that you can say "i told you so"... last year you gave up on the Pats after they lost a game. Why not become a fan of the Jets and Yankees if you're just going to hope the Red Sox and Pats fail?

RedSoxtober
04-21-2017, 01:35 PM
[T]he early returns on Sandoval in particular have been mixed. He has looked more agile at the hot corner than he did in 2015 or last spring. At the same time, his range is still below average, and an arm that was responsible for seven throwing errors in 2015 has two more in this young season.

On Tuesday, he was unable to come up with a sharp Kevin Pillar grounder down the line in the first; it led to a double and eventually two Toronto runs. On Wednesday, his throwing error helped open the door for three Blue Jay scores.

Sandoval should be able to at least approximate Travis Shaw’s offensive output from a season ago at third. But Shaw was a surprisingly adept fielder at the position after years across the diamond, and Sandoval still looks below average.


“There’s been at times better range, there’s been times where there’s been plays that quite frankly should be made,” Farrell said of his third baseman. “Tonight was an example of that.”

Batters who hit ground balls hit to the left side of the Red Sox infield last season reached base via a hit or error about 26 percent of the time. So far this season, it’s just a shade under 30 percent, according to data at Baseball Savant.

Porcello has been victimized the most. In 2016, a ground ball to the left side allowed a runner to reach base against him 22 percent of the time. In 2017, it’s 56 percent.Providence Journal

RedSoxtober
04-21-2017, 01:37 PM
I would have kept Sale in to start the bottom of the ninth with the shortest of leashes, but I understand the argument to bring Kimbrel in there.

But... ****.

Same. I'm glad that they won but Sale obviously should have got the dub.

Pittz
04-22-2017, 10:46 AM
Same. I'm glad that they won but Sale obviously should have got the dub.

Especially because part of the argument I would have accepted for not having Sale came back out was that we're early in the season and don't want to over-tax his arm. But then you leave Kimberly in for two innings? Poor decision making, not sure of the logic.

RedSoxtober
04-22-2017, 03:15 PM
^^ It was also Sale's lowest pitch count of the season. Two or three batters might have gone by before he matched his season high. FWIW, another part of the logic was that Kimbrel had been pretty much lights out (4 dominant appearances, 9K) leading up to it.