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Lionel20
04-14-2017, 12:21 AM
*Sorted by Value Shares (Counting Stat)


Player USG MP Value Shares
1 James Harden 38.57 2947 18.19
2 Russell Westbrook 45.73 2802 17.92
3 LeBron James 31.74 2794 16.84
4 Karl-Anthony Towns 27.28 3030 16.73
5 Anthony Davis 31.97 2708 16.40
6 Giannis Antetokounmpo 28.33 2845 16.07
7 Stephen Curry 32.31 2638 15.70
8 Jimmy Butler 27.83 2809 15.55
9 Isaiah Thomas 34.89 2569 14.95
10 Kawhi Leonard 30.56 2474 14.58
11 John Wall 33.80 2836 14.56
12 Damian Lillard 32.54 2694 13.91
13 DeMarcus Cousins 36.19 2465 13.47
14 Rudy Gobert 15.63 2744 13.32
15 Kemba Walker 29.69 2739 13.31
16 DeAndre Jordan 15.02 2570 12.60
17 Kevin Durant 29.30 2070 12.45
18 Hassan Whiteside 21.96 2513 12.23
19 DeMar DeRozan 34.03 2620 12.13
20 Bradley Beal 27.10 2684 12.08
21 Kyrie Irving 31.57 2525 12.07
22 Paul George 28.56 2689 12.01
23 Klay Thompson 26.42 2649 11.95
24 Gordon Hayward 26.39 2516 11.94
25 C.J. McCollum 27.82 2796 11.79
26 Mike Conley 27.18 2292 11.55
27 Jeff Teague 24.19 2657 11.12
28 Nikola Jokic 25.88 2038 11.08
29 Chris Paul 27.16 1921 10.90
30 Marc Gasol 26.50 2531 10.86
31 Draymond Green 18.91 2471 10.84
32 Kyle Lowry 26.22 2244 10.80
33 Andre Drummond 21.95 2409 10.80
34 Otto Porter 15.25 2605 10.74
35 Dwight Howard 19.33 2199 10.61
36 Blake Griffin 28.50 2076 10.16
37 Goran Dragic 28.26 2459 10.16
38 Myles Turner 19.06 2541 10.02
39 Andrew Wiggins 28.61 3048 10.01
40 Brook Lopez 30.00 2222 9.88
41 Nicolas Batum 23.34 2617 9.83
42 Carmelo Anthony 29.58 2538 9.75
43 Harrison Barnes 23.33 2803 9.59
44 LaMarcus Aldridge 23.80 2335 9.56
45 Tobias Harris 21.52 2567 9.49
46 Trevor Ariza 15.03 2773 9.48
47 Nikola Vucevic 25.20 2163 9.38
48 Lou Williams 30.56 1994 9.32
49 Paul Millsap 25.15 2343 9.32
50 Eric Bledsoe 31.07 2176 9.32


FULL LIST HERE https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nAJbaF_JZ8hBRv0jjbKy1SxKQZe1QF6B-iD2aNDkqAA/pubhtml

More-Than-Most
04-14-2017, 01:42 AM
So considering KL is that far down and IT is that far up this doesnt take defense into account i suppose? So with that then this tells me with how close westy/harden are that Westy is actually the MVP because his defense--------->Hardens :shrug:

Lionel20
04-14-2017, 12:52 PM
So considering KL is that far down and IT is that far up this doesnt take defense into account i suppose? So with that then this tells me with how close westy/harden are that Westy is actually the MVP because his defense--------->Hardens :shrug:

Despite the advanced analytics, individual player defense, in my opinion is more challenging to measure following the redefinition of 'illegal defense' in the early 2000s. The emphasis on team defense, utilizing zone schemes to strengthen the weak links in a defensive unit is a hidden factor in measuring individual defensive impact. For instance, I think believe the Celtics and Warriors do an expert job shadowing and help-defending preventing players from isolating their PG's -- Thomas/Curry.

This is one reason why, I rely on the Sports VU stats -- the differential between how well an opponent shoots while a particular player is guarding him and how well that opponent shoots vs. the rest of the league.

With that said, Kawhi has guarded opponents shooting .459 against the rest of the nba at the SF position, those opponents shoot .451 when Kawhi is guarding them -- lower, but not significantly lower.

I readily admit that this cannot be the singular way to evaluate a players' defensive effectiveness. For instance, Kawhi may be defending a superstar that typically shoots 20 shots per game, and due to Kawhi's defensive pressure he may only get off 12 shots. Also opponent FG% differential doesn't account for help defense, double teams, and free throw frequency of the opponent.

But to me, it's one of the most illuminating measures, once you combine it with the box stats.

Kawhi was a much better defender the prior two seasons. From my research I think you're overrating his defensive performance this season, as well as Westbrooks.

ManRam
04-14-2017, 10:36 PM
Very ULTIMATE!

Scoots
04-14-2017, 10:44 PM
Opponent shooting percentage also doesn't reflect the offensive player not taking the shot at all because of defense. We need FGA differential by defender too.

kdspurman
04-15-2017, 09:25 PM
Opponent shooting percentage also doesn't reflect the offensive player not taking the shot at all because of defense. We need FGA differential by defender too.

Very true. Re: Kawhi's defense, it is not at the level it was the last 2 years, but that level was soooo high, that even this year when it takes a slight dip, he's still probably the best perimeter & 1 on 1 defender. I saw these tweets last week, and it just shows the high level D he's still playing, despite carrying a much heavier burden offensively. Obviously, there is more examples than this, this just highlights it against the other MVP candidates

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