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kdspurman
04-12-2017, 02:54 PM
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All games in EST

Game 1: Trailblazers at Warriors, TBD

Game 2: Trailblazers at Warriors, TBD

Game 3: Warriors at Trailblazers, TBD

Game 4: Warriors at Trailblazers; TBD

*-Game 5: Trailblazers at Warriors; TBD

*-Game 6: Warriors at Trailblazers; TBD

*-Game 7: Trailblazers at Warriors; TBD

* If Necessary


Projected Starting Lineups:

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C: Jusuf Nurkic*
PF: Noah Vonleh
SF: Allen Crabbe
SG: C.J. McCollum
PG: Damian Lillard

Projected Starting Lineups:

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C: Zaza Pachulia
PF: Draymond Green
SF: Kevin Durant
SG: Klay Thompson
PG: Steph Curry

Moda Center, Portland

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Oracle Arena, Oakland

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Heediot
04-12-2017, 03:21 PM
Warriors in 5. Blazers might pull one out at home.

Vee-Rex
04-12-2017, 03:32 PM
5 games. Maybe 6 with a fully healthy Nurkic.

KD can you also make a 2017 General NBA Playoffs thread?

tredigs
04-12-2017, 03:42 PM
Nurkic will be back. He was already walking without a limp and shooting around with the team before games last week. In either case, tough to imagine the series going more than 5, with game 5 being in Oracle.

DanG
04-12-2017, 03:49 PM
5 games.

kdspurman
04-12-2017, 03:56 PM
5 games. Maybe 6 with a fully healthy Nurkic.

KD can you also make a 2017 General NBA Playoffs thread?

Yea NP, I can put something together for that. Once I get thru the rest of the known matchups/seedings i'll set something up. I'll sticky tomorrow once the reg season officially has ended

valade16
04-12-2017, 04:42 PM
If Nurkic is back Blazers steal a game, if he's not it's a clean sweep.

Scoots
04-12-2017, 04:45 PM
If Nurkic is back Blazers steal a game, if he's not it's a clean sweep.

That's what I was thinking ... but I didn't think Nurkic would be back, at least enough to make a big difference.

It's always possible the Blazer get hot and win one even without Nurkic.

TrueFan420
04-12-2017, 04:53 PM
its going 6... this team gave us fits last year in the playoffs. Yes curry was injured in this series and we've since added KD but I get the feeling they steal 2. Hope I'm super off base tho and we sweep in 4.

dhopisthename
04-13-2017, 12:27 AM
I want to say sweep, but I think I will go with 5 games. Warriors swept the season series 4-0

FlashBolt
04-13-2017, 12:38 AM
I think it goes six games. Nurkic might be able to make enough of a difference to win one game. Lillard/CJ might win another. But yeah, I don't expect this to go past six games.

europagnpilgrim
04-13-2017, 01:38 AM
Lillard will win one game going ape nuts for sure, other than that it will probably end in 5 because the Warriors are too top heavy and that's when it usually shows up at its apex in the playoffs, especially in these early rounds

Crazy part about Lillard being able to go off is the Warriors have 3 guys who are capable of matching that and then some, all in the same game, crazy

FlashBolt
04-13-2017, 02:46 AM
Lillard will win one game going ape nuts for sure, other than that it will probably end in 5 because the Warriors are too top heavy and that's when it usually shows up at its apex in the playoffs, especially in these early rounds

Crazy part about Lillard being able to go off is the Warriors have 3 guys who are capable of matching that and then some, all in the same game, crazy

Heh, CJ ain't a scrub. Him and Klay can both light it up. The issue is who covers KD? He's arguably the best player in the series and all they have for him is Aminu/Turner.. no way haha.. Let's see what Nurkic can do. I thought it would be a terrible trade but he's responsible for them making the playoffs.

Hopper15
04-13-2017, 03:33 AM
Warriors in 4. Blazers don't have enough defense to win one game in my opinion.

tredigs
04-13-2017, 12:31 PM
Odds wise the Warriors will probably be something like 7-13 point favorites each game (depend on on home/away). What is to be expected is a sweep or maybe 5. 6 seems tough to imagine.

HandsOnTheWheel
04-13-2017, 12:42 PM
I'd be surprised if this weren't a sweep.

europagnpilgrim
04-13-2017, 01:44 PM
Heh, CJ ain't a scrub. Him and Klay can both light it up. The issue is who covers KD? He's arguably the best player in the series and all they have for him is Aminu/Turner.. no way haha.. Let's see what Nurkic can do. I thought it would be a terrible trade but he's responsible for them making the playoffs.


Hey i never said CJ is a scrub but from what i have watched over the years between these teams and against others is that Lillard is the guy who usually goes off and ignites the team to victory, CJ isn't awful but he aint no 100 million dollar type player either, Lillard is though, he is the franchise player so that's why i said what i mentioned in my post you are replying to, the issue is who guards the Warriors big 3 since they all can go off and make it hard for any squad as i said again so the issue isn't just about who covers KD because the Blazers cant cover Klay/Curry either, its plenty of film for proof of that

Quinnsanity
04-13-2017, 06:54 PM
Warriors in 3.

WaDe03
04-13-2017, 09:01 PM
Heh, CJ ain't a scrub. Him and Klay can both light it up. The issue is who covers KD? He's arguably the best player in the series and all they have for him is Aminu/Turner.. no way haha.. Let's see what Nurkic can do. I thought it would be a terrible trade but he's responsible for them making the playoffs.

KD IS the best player in every series unless they play the Cavs.

Unless of course they're lucky enough to meet playoff Wade in the finals!

WaDe03
04-13-2017, 09:03 PM
Blazers will win 1 game due to lol, please trolling :laugh:

tredigs
04-13-2017, 09:13 PM
KD IS the best player in every series unless they play the Cavs.

Unless of course they're lucky enough to meet playoff Wade in the finals!

Curry is better in many regards (and they just flat out perform better with Curry than otherwise), but KD makes them a team that is much more dynamic and far tougher to game plan for.

COOLbeans
04-13-2017, 09:17 PM
People saying 5 games are hedging. This will be a clean sweep :cool:

TylerSL
04-13-2017, 09:19 PM
Warriors in 4, Dame has no chance.

cmellofan15
04-13-2017, 11:58 PM
Can't see the Blazers winning a game with KD and Curry both healthy. If Curry tweaks his ankle or something maybe they'll get one.

tredigs
04-14-2017, 11:02 AM
Bears mentioning that the Blazers are one of the top teams in the league (maybe #1?) since the ASB. They've been playing well above your standard 8 seed.

FlashBolt
04-14-2017, 11:15 AM
lol lillard said Blazers in 6. This guy will regret it. Should be a sweep now.

kdspurman
04-14-2017, 11:44 AM
lol lillard said Blazers in 6. This guy will regret it. Should be a sweep now.

The reporter asked him "Blazers in 6 or 7?"

I know there are always ways to not give the media what they want and give a more vanilla answer, but he didn't just come out and say it out of nowhere fwiw.

WaDe03
04-14-2017, 12:02 PM
lol lillard said Blazers in 6. This guy will regret it. Should be a sweep now.

Lol was he supposed to say "Warriors in 4?" People are taking this out of context, he was asked the question he didn't go out if his way to make his own prediction. People are mad he plans on winning lol.

tredigs
04-14-2017, 12:07 PM
The reporter asked him "Blazers in 6 or 7?"

I know there are always ways to not give the media what they want and give a more vanilla answer, but he didn't just come out and say it out of nowhere fwiw.

Yeah, he already said it was "a light-hearted response". He did follow that with saying he thinks the Blazers can win the series though. Not sure if he believes that, but he did say it.

WaDe03
04-14-2017, 01:20 PM
Yeah, he already said it was "a light-hearted response". He did follow that with saying he thinks the Blazers can win the series though. Not sure if he believes that, but he did say it.

I'm sure he does believe it. These players have ridiculois confidence in themselves. A player is never going to say they'll lose so the media needs to stop asking and we need to stop making such a big deal every time someone says something like this. It's like the whole who's the best player in bre world question Harden answered. Was he supposed to say LeBron? He's a top 5 player in his prime, what do they expect him to say?

SfgiantsJD3
04-14-2017, 01:20 PM
The reporter asked him "Blazers in 6 or 7?"

I know there are always ways to not give the media what they want and give a more vanilla answer, but he didn't just come out and say it out of nowhere fwiw.

The question is unfair, maybe the appropriate response to the reporter is "you still stepping out on your spouse?"

valade16
04-14-2017, 01:33 PM
Bears mentioning that the Blazers are one of the top teams in the league (maybe #1?) since the ASB. They've been playing well above your standard 8 seed.

They've played a lot better (I think 17-7 since the ASB) but a lot of that was Nurkic. If he comes back they are more formidable, but still not at the level of the Warriors/Spurs.

lol, please
04-15-2017, 04:04 AM
I voted sweep but I honestly see Portlandia stealing at least one.

jason
04-15-2017, 05:08 PM
I'm calling a sweep

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ewing
04-15-2017, 06:50 PM
BlaZERS IN 4

Scoots
04-16-2017, 02:07 PM
Nurkic now listed OUT for game 1.

eDush
04-16-2017, 03:28 PM
Tip off in a few minutes ....woohooo!

Go Dubs!!! :cheer:

eDush
04-16-2017, 03:31 PM
I'm calling a sweep

Sent from my LG-H918 using TapatalkI hope you were referring to the Jail Blazers otherwise you could jinx the Dubs as we don't say stuff like that... :facepalm:

kdspurman
04-16-2017, 04:28 PM
My goodness CJ

WaDe03
04-16-2017, 04:31 PM
Lillard and CJs supporting cast is terrible

Vee-Rex
04-16-2017, 04:35 PM
GS is just an incoming freight train. Portland can only hope 4 quarters pass before it strikes.

As I said before - GS might have 80 wins if games went 5 quarters instead of 4.

jason
04-16-2017, 04:38 PM
CJ is playing the best ball I've seen him play

lol, please
04-16-2017, 04:38 PM
Klay a little cold at the moment but watch out...

lol, please
04-16-2017, 04:43 PM
The 3rd can't start soon enough.

tredigs
04-16-2017, 04:44 PM
Really entertaining 1st half from the Blazers backcourt. Good for them. I'd be demoralized if I was a Portland fan though. For them to do that and not even have the lead is rough. They made a lott of very tough shots - specifically CJ. Definitely the best half from those two combined we will see this series I'd have to imagine. Looking forward to Nurkic in there next game though (if the pain isn't too much for him to play).

SteBO
04-16-2017, 04:51 PM
Really entertaining 1st half from the Blazers backcourt. Good for them. I'd be demoralized if I was a Portland fan though. For them to do that and not even have the lead is rough. They made a lott of very tough shots - specifically CJ. Definitely the best half from those two combined we will see this series I'd have to imagine. Looking forward to Nurkic in there next game though (if the pain isn't too much for him to play).
My take as well. Both are pretty awesome offensive players, but they've gotten no help anywhere else and GS is bound to make an adjustment if it's even necessary, given the type of shots CJ and Lillard hit.

lol, please
04-16-2017, 04:52 PM
Really entertaining 1st half from the Blazers backcourt. Good for them. I'd be demoralized if I was a Portland fan though. For them to do that and not even have the lead is rough. They made a lott of very tough shots - specifically CJ. Definitely the best half from those two combined we will see this series I'd have to imagine. Looking forward to Nurkic in there next game though (if the pain isn't too much for him to play).
I think their fans take it as a moral victory that they are still in the game going into the second half.

lol, please
04-16-2017, 04:59 PM
Durant! Wet jumper, looking great.

Vee-Rex
04-16-2017, 05:00 PM
Curry got annihilated on defense in the first half, btw.

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:02 PM
Smooth give and go with Zaza.

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:03 PM
Loving the ball movement right now.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:03 PM
Curry got annihilated on defense in the first half, btw.

understatement... it was a crime.. the rape was real

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:05 PM
lol there is no defense anywhere xD

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:06 PM
Klay heating up...where's MTM!?

tredigs
04-16-2017, 05:06 PM
Curry got annihilated on defense in the first half, btw.

He wasn't good, but if you're just looking at the CJ stats and assuming that was with Curry on him, not the case.

Curry dominating here in the 2nd.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:06 PM
lol zaza is arguing that

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:07 PM
holy ****ing **** draymond

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:07 PM
this ****ing game is amazinggbjhdfbghdjkfg PLAYOFFS BABY

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:07 PM
What a block by Green!!! Unfortunately a 2 point swing the other way, but what a play nonetheless.

tredigs
04-16-2017, 05:09 PM
Lmfao Green that was incredible D there. Klay c'mon man!

tredigs
04-16-2017, 05:10 PM
Green with 9/9/8 on 3-4 FG, 1steal, 2 blks. 2 threes, 1 TO midway through the 3rd. ****ing beast.

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:11 PM
Lob city!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:13 PM
Curry!!!

And what a game by McGee thus far!

tredigs
04-16-2017, 05:14 PM
Everybody laughed at McGee being on this team. Nobody's laughing tonight. Excellent spot minute option at Center for GS.

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:16 PM
ALIEN Covenant

:drool:

one of the GOAT franchises

Vee-Rex
04-16-2017, 05:16 PM
McGee out there putting in work!

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:17 PM
HUGE block by McGee!!!!!

And 1 by Durantula!!!!!!!!!!!

:faint:

tredigs
04-16-2017, 05:19 PM
Javale needs to call out Nurkic on the bench for added Playoff awesomeness to this series.

kdspurman
04-16-2017, 05:25 PM
Still knotted up after 3. Nice response by Portland to that run. Didn't know if that was it. Lillard/CJ got some help

tredigs
04-16-2017, 05:28 PM
So entertaining.

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:31 PM
Great awareness by Clark.

SteBO
04-16-2017, 05:35 PM
Clark and McGee have been HUGE for the Dubs.

mightybosstone
04-16-2017, 05:39 PM
McCollum got mugged there.

poleandreel
04-16-2017, 05:39 PM
The fight and effort being shown by Lillard and McCollum is fun to watch and what basketball is about. Not this lame super team

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:41 PM
this is what I hate... If you are going to call it or let it go do it both ways... The game was close.. This quarter starts and every single time down the warriors are fouled... which is fine some are fouls... then down the other way they are allowing the warriors to literally mug the blazers players and not calling anything... That isnt good defense.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:42 PM
McCollum got mugged there.

its all ****ing quarter... they are letting the warriors beat the piss out of guys

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:42 PM
lmao green :facepalm:

tredigs
04-16-2017, 05:43 PM
this is what I hate... If you are going to call it or let it go do it both ways... The game was close.. This quarter starts and every single time down the warriors are fouled... which is fine some are fouls... then down the other way they are allowing the warriors to literally mug the blazers players and not calling anything... That isnt good defense.

Lmao gtfo of here with this.

PS Dear Lord I wish Dray finished that. More amazing D tho.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:45 PM
Lmao gtfo of here with this.

PS Dear Lord I wish Dray finished that. More amazing D tho.

after the game i will put some close up shots when this 13 point lead happened... Take the glasses off man... Your team is better than them and you will win the series no doubt but the ******** that is being let go for them in this quarter is ****ing dumb.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:46 PM
their showing it right now. green fouled there about 3 times but yo thats defense until down the other end when a warrior is touched or looked at wrong... Either call it or dont but do not just play the one way bs when they see fit.

poleandreel
04-16-2017, 05:47 PM
I've played organized rec basketball my entire life and there is no way players on this warriors team can actually be having fun. Must be so fun being the favorite every single time and being able to double the other teams' best players but every one of yours has single coverage bc you have 4 all stars and a 6th man of the year. So fun!!!!

tredigs
04-16-2017, 05:48 PM
after the game i will put some close up shots when this 13 point lead happened... Take the glasses off man... Your team is better than them and you will win the series no doubt but the ******** that is being let go for them in this quarter is ****ing dumb.

Mk bud. Looking forward to all the links and video (that I have watched). Surprisingly you stayed mum on this subject in the 1st half when the Blazers were getting all the calls. I was just happy to not have anyone *****ing about it on the Warriors front. Just don't start this nonsense here. Their D has been fantastic in the 2nd half. Maybe a foul here and there (guess we'll wait on you for that), but certainly nothing egregious what so ever.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:48 PM
I've played organized rec basketball my entire life and there is no way players on this warriors team can actually be having fun. Must be so fun being the favorite every single time and being able to double the other teams' best players but every one of yours has single coverage bc you have 4 all stars and a 6th man of the year. So fun!!!!

winning is fun.. winning while making millions and having 20k fans chant your name or cheer you on is bliss... competition is overrated if you are a player.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:49 PM
Mk bud. Looking forward to all the links and video (that I have watched). Surprisingly you stayed mum on this subject in the 1st half when the Blazers were getting all the calls. I was just happy to not have anyone *****ing about it on the Warriors front. Just don't start this nonsense here. Their D has been fantastic in the 2nd half. Maybe a foul here and there (guess we'll wait on you for that), but certainly nothing egregious what so ever.

lmfao how about that basket interference there bud? Na right?

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:50 PM
Durantula!!!!!!!!

:worthy:

And green with another big block!!!

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:50 PM
green is just a defensive monster

mightybosstone
04-16-2017, 05:52 PM
That awful missed dunk aside, Green has just been a juggernaut this quarter. When he's playing like this, the Warriors are just unbeatable.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:53 PM
i am not sure the blazers will win a game... they threw everything they had at the warriors and are still down double digits.

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:53 PM
Durant is fearless.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:54 PM
****ing Durant.. pos traitor.... he is soooo good though lol

jason
04-16-2017, 05:55 PM
Draymond with the insane defense. Wow

poleandreel
04-16-2017, 05:56 PM
wow durant is soooo good in single coverage with Aminu guarding him!!!!!! wow amazing

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:56 PM
lol of course they arent calling that but down the other end get ready for the foul

mightybosstone
04-16-2017, 05:56 PM
Durant is fearless.

His history would suggest otherwise...

But he has been great in this game.

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 05:56 PM
lol called it.

jason
04-16-2017, 05:56 PM
Warriors playing great defense in the 2nd half. Cavs take note

mightybosstone
04-16-2017, 05:59 PM
The Blazers would still be in this game if they could hit some shots. They've missed some really good looks in this quarter.

lol, please
04-16-2017, 05:59 PM
Warriors taking care of business in the 4th quarter like a good championship team does.

#DubShow
#LetsGoWarriors
#OneForDurant

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 06:00 PM
hopefully nurkic plays next game.

jason
04-16-2017, 06:01 PM
The Blazers would still be in this game if they could hit some shots. They've missed some really good looks in this quarter.
They were hitting everything in the 1st quarter. Especially CJ making contested tough shots

SteBO
04-16-2017, 06:01 PM
This Warriors roster is unfair on all levels.....KD gets 30 on 11-18 and the story isn't even gonna be about that.

Scoots
04-16-2017, 06:03 PM
Foul calls flipped at halftime. Blazers had more FTs now Warriors do.

Playoff bball ... the fearless team gets more calls it seems. I hate playoff officiating. Just call it like the regular season.

Bostonjorge
04-16-2017, 06:07 PM
Warriors just to strong. Green is just all over the place. No one can guard Durant. I'm calling it after one game.

mightybosstone
04-16-2017, 06:08 PM
That was a dominant final period by the Warriors. If the Blazers get Nurkic back, I do think they're capable of taking 1-2 games in this series, but if Golden State has many more quarters like that, they're going to be unbeatable this postseason.

DanG
04-16-2017, 06:09 PM
Lillard and McCollum combined for 75 and still lost by double digits... crazy.

Dade County
04-16-2017, 06:10 PM
Portland needs a guy like Batum on the wing, to help out with D.


Good game by Lillard & McCollum, they just need a big man to make their life easier.

poleandreel
04-16-2017, 06:11 PM
lol kd was really unstoppable in the playoffs last year with his 43% fg (28% from 3) and 4 turnovers. He's had one good playoff run and that got them to the finals. Besides that he's been far from unstoppable

tredigs
04-16-2017, 06:12 PM
853732442481475584

#roleplayer

eDush
04-16-2017, 06:26 PM
Foul calls flipped at halftime. Blazers had more FTs now Warriors do.

Playoff bball ... the fearless team gets more calls it seems. I hate playoff officiating. Just call it like the regular season.I agree, standard HCA calls just like regular season games. Home crowds expects it for their hard earn money to pay for their $$$ playoffs tickets :clap:

Chronz
04-16-2017, 08:21 PM
Took a nap for this one, was it any good? Any fun moments?

More-Than-Most
04-16-2017, 08:53 PM
Took a nap for this one, was it any good? Any fun moments?

was amazing.... tied after 3.... then the warriors went up 13 because their amazing defense of hacking the **** out of guys followed by swallowed whistles took over... BUT ONLY ON THAT END.

kobe4thewinbang
04-16-2017, 10:01 PM
I caught the end of the first half and the end of the game. CJ had 44 points & Lillard had like 36 pts (27 in first half). 109-121. Draymond had a strong game. Blazers look deflated at the buzzer. Tough loss.

Scoots
04-16-2017, 10:51 PM
was amazing.... tied after 3.... then the warriors went up 13 because their amazing defense of hacking the **** out of guys followed by swallowed whistles took over... BUT ONLY ON THAT END.

I can't be bothered to edit together all of the non-calls the Blazers got in their favor.

It's the playoffs in the NBA ... the officiating sucks for everybody.

tredigs
04-16-2017, 11:08 PM
Took a nap for this one, was it any good? Any fun moments?

Definitely the most entertaining game so far, I'd at least watch a breakdown of it.

ewing
04-16-2017, 11:20 PM
I can't be bothered to edit together all of the non-calls the Blazers got in their favor.

It's the playoffs in the NBA ... the officiating sucks for everybody.

history suggest, you guys are going to get calls and MTM is going to troll. just the way it is

valade16
04-16-2017, 11:27 PM
Lillard and CJ giving their all, just not nearly enough help to compete for 48 minutes.

I can't help but wonder which team would win if GS had Lillard and CJ and Portland had Curry and KD.

Saddletramp
04-17-2017, 03:27 AM
Lillard and CJ giving their all, just not nearly enough help to compete for 48 minutes.

I can't help but wonder which team would win if GS had Lillard and CJ and Portland had Curry and KD.

I'd take the team with KD and Green over the team with scrubs.

Saddletramp
04-17-2017, 03:29 AM
Durant is fearless.

Except for that whole "winning a championship without joining a super team" thing. The ****ing guy is full of fear. Kudos to him; he got to puss out to the front runner team in a dumb salary cap related once a generation loophole.

Lol. "Fearless".

More-Than-Most
04-17-2017, 03:53 AM
history suggest, you guys are going to get calls and MTM is going to troll. just the way it is

I dont mind them getting calls... Teams are going to get bad calls and refs are going to have horrid nights... what I mind is because its the playoffs the notion of letting them play whenever they deem necessary... A foul is a foul in the first/4th or the final seconds of the game... The is the same dumb **** fans have complained about the past few off seasons... we had a fantastic game going for 3 quarters where 2 teams were neck and neck with lead change after lead change after lead change... the 4th quarter starts all tied up and they swallowed their whistles and let the warriors hack the **** out of guys and the crowd is going bananas and the refs fell for the emotion and what was a foul at one end was no longer a foul at the other.... It gets old... Either call everything or let them play... Dont just decide to let **** go when you feel like letting it go or because the crowd is behind them.... CJ got destroyed on back to back plays with no whistles... turned to the ref and snapped.... right back down the other end curry gets fouled on him causing the contact with very little contact... Yup thats fair.

It has 0 to do with trolling or the warriors... Hell id be happy if they called everything both ways and if the warriors went to the line 50 times to portlands 10 because the blazers were taking jump shots and the warriors were driving so ****ing be it... The one way home cooking late in a competitive amazing game gets old... They do that **** for the cavs/warriors so ****ing much its annoying at this point... The warriors dont need the help they are going to the finals....

Blatant offensive basket interference 3 refs looking directly at it... 3 blazers players turn to refs snapping... announcers wondering where the call is... in the nuts of the game... warriors up 8 but blazers were sneaking back into it... boom they never got closer after this.... Yup real fair.

Hell it happened against the warriors for the cavs in the finals... it happened for the warriors against the thunder in the WCF or the warriors dont make the finals... We had a fantastic game going and the warriors 99 times win this game but dont just decide welp its the 4th the crowd is going insane so clearly the warriors are playing amazing defense... call the ****ing game how you called it the first 3 quarters.

Scoots
04-17-2017, 08:39 AM
history suggest, you guys are going to get calls and MTM is going to troll. just the way it is

True. Of course the Warriors will also get screwed by the refs. My point is that there is no point in complaining about the refs because everyone gets screwed ... and for the most part I think it's just that the officiating is bad, not that it's biased. Just as an example, in this game Curry got fouls called for swiping down at a ball when he didn't touch anything at all ... it was a bad call, but it was also dumb for Curry to get caught multiple times doing it. Players have to adjust, and fans have to realize that the refs are flat guessing a lot of the time.

Scoots
04-17-2017, 08:40 AM
Except for that whole "winning a championship without joining a super team" thing. The ****ing guy is full of fear. Kudos to him; he got to puss out to the front runner team in a dumb salary cap related once a generation loophole.

Lol. "Fearless".

lol, please

KnicksorBust
04-17-2017, 08:56 AM
Lillard and CJ giving their all, just not nearly enough help to compete for 48 minutes.

I can't help but wonder which team would win if GS had Lillard and CJ and Portland had Curry and KD.

Klay can easily makeup for the scoring downgrade and Draymond's defense and all-around play make him so far superior to anyone else on the Blazers. I would still take GState.

KnicksorBust
04-17-2017, 09:00 AM
Warriors in 4. If the Blazers were going to "steal" a game wouldn't it be when Lillard and CJ go off for +70 points? If CJ can have a game like that and they still lose it's a wrap. Plus just the eye test shows that the shots the Blazers were making early aren't going to fall all series while the Warriors were in cruise control. Durant couldn't be stopped. There are some fun series in the 1st round and I'll watch for the scoring.

cmellofan15
04-17-2017, 10:36 AM
Definitely the most entertaining game so far, I'd at least watch a breakdown of it.

yeah between Mcollum in the first half and the constant lead changes. then Draymond being an absolute force on defense it was definitely the most entertaining.

tredigs
04-17-2017, 12:03 PM
MTM that breakdown (rant) was just sad man. I'd recommend to be a little more cognizant of the fact that in playoff basketball, especially down the stretch, the offense will not be given the benefit of the doubt on 50/50 plays or just generally rougher plays. Good defenses know this and will ramp up their aggressiveness accordingly. Anyway, here's a long-form video recap of the game, feel free to pick apart all these 4th quarter plays you promised (all the egregious no calls for the Warriors you keep mentioning). I can't find any myself. 7:40 mark is the worst non-basketball-interference call of our time that you also keep bringing up (hint: took me a few attempts, but pause exactly at 7:40 and you can find Draymond below the rim with the ball clearly off the cylinder... but "the Blazers complained!" you say... after he got the tip-in over them? Shocker. That is not a play that is ever called basketball interference). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgUy5cigfws

They stuck with them through 3 quarters on amazing scoring from their guards-, but in the 4th the defense clamped down incredibly well, and ultimately Lillard/CJ cooled off on account of that. They also could not stop the Warriors on the other end. Ultimately it was an awesome game end to end, but the clearly better team won in the end. I think Draymond showed why he's the most important defender in the game right now in that 4th quarter.

KnicksorBust
04-18-2017, 11:14 AM
MTM that breakdown (rant) was just sad man. I'd recommend to be a little more cognizant of the fact that in playoff basketball, especially down the stretch, the offense will not be given the benefit of the doubt on 50/50 plays or just generally rougher plays. Good defenses know this and will ramp up their aggressiveness accordingly. Anyway, here's a long-form video recap of the game, feel free to pick apart all these 4th quarter plays you promised (all the egregious no calls for the Warriors you keep mentioning). I can't find any myself. 7:40 mark is the worst non-basketball-interference call of our time that you also keep bringing up (hint: took me a few attempts, but pause exactly at 7:40 and you can find Draymond below the rim with the ball clearly off the cylinder... but "the Blazers complained!" you say... after he got the tip-in over them? Shocker. That is not a play that is ever called basketball interference). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgUy5cigfws

They stuck with them through 3 quarters on amazing scoring from their guards-, but in the 4th the defense clamped down incredibly well, and ultimately Lillard/CJ cooled off on account of that. They also could not stop the Warriors on the other end. Ultimately it was an awesome game end to end, but the clearly better team won in the end. I think Draymond showed why he's the most important defender in the game right now in that 4th quarter.

I think I know your answer but am genuinely curious if you would be willing to trade Draymond Green for Kawhi Leonard?

tredigs
04-18-2017, 11:54 AM
I think I know your answer but am genuinely curious if you would be willing to trade Draymond Green for Kawhi Leonard?

Not big on hypotheticals because there is so much more involved than Player A for player B but short answer no, I would not. And would not think twice. Assuming KD re-signs, they have no need for another star small forward and it is not as if Kawhi can fill Draymond's role guarding bigs defensively, effectively ruining their best lineups. Kawhi is the better player in a vacuum, but as their roster is constructed you would never make that trade (and obviously that is just on the surface, there are a multitude of other reasons why this would never be considered).

Scoots
04-18-2017, 11:54 AM
I think I know your answer but am genuinely curious if you would be willing to trade Draymond Green for Kawhi Leonard?

On THIS team? No. Kawhi for Durant would be a more interesting switch.

valade16
04-18-2017, 12:02 PM
I would definitely do that trade lol.

COOLbeans
04-18-2017, 12:13 PM
I would do Kawhi for Durant maybe. Actually maybe not lol. But I would've definitely drafted him over Thompson.

There was a time when Klay Thompson was being compared to Leonard as the 1 and 2 players of their respective drafts in 2011.

Leonard was a definite target for the Warriors then, and I think their decision was close, but they ultimately passed for the sure thing scorer in Thompson to play with Curry. In hindsight you take Kawhi.

If you do that draft again now you go Leonard (15th), Thompson (11th), Jimmy Bultler (30th), Kyrie Irving (1st), Kemba Walker(9th), Vucevic (16th)

tredigs
04-18-2017, 12:37 PM
I would definitely do that trade lol.
If you legit would then the team would turn on you (not something you want when attempting to resign superstars) but those types of things aside, you would also create a situation where you would need to make many other adjustments to fill his void defensively (and attempt to get Kawhi to accept a much smaller role offensively as he's now going from #1 to #3 on that pecking order). It sounds great to trade a top 12 player for a top 5 player in a vacuum, but in their situation it's not justifiable at all. He's the glue for Golden State, and in my opinion a much more important defender than Kawhi due to his versatility.

valade16
04-18-2017, 01:10 PM
If you legit would then the team would turn on you (not something you want when attempting to resign superstars) but those types of things aside, you would also create a situation where you would need to make many other adjustments to fill his void defensively (and attempt to get Kawhi to accept a much smaller role offensively as he's now going from #1 to #3 on that pecking order). It sounds great to trade a top 12 player for a top 5 player in a vacuum, but in their situation it's not justifiable at all. He's the glue for Golden State, and in my opinion a much more important defender than Kawhi due to his versatility.

We don't know for certain if the team would turn on the GM, I highly doubt it considering the amount of trades that happen.

Also, if you're going to try and argue Kawhi would be selfish or is not a team player... good luck with that argument.

I think you are vastly underrated Kawhi's defensive versatility. Would it be the same team? Of course not. But just because it isn't the same doesn't mean it'd be worse. I think it would be a lot better.

KD has been very good defending at the rim and a lineup of Curry, Klay, Kawhi, KD, Zaza/depth would be unstoppable.

I get Dray is a Warrior and I get the chemistry concerns, but those were the same chemistry concerns people raised about KD joining. I never bought it. The team would absolute demolish teams, likely to a greater degree than they are now.

ewing
04-18-2017, 01:14 PM
True. Of course the Warriors will also get screwed by the refs. My point is that there is no point in complaining about the refs because everyone gets screwed ... and for the most part I think it's just that the officiating is bad, not that it's biased. Just as an example, in this game Curry got fouls called for swiping down at a ball when he didn't touch anything at all ... it was a bad call, but it was also dumb for Curry to get caught multiple times doing it. Players have to adjust, and fans have to realize that the refs are flat guessing a lot of the time.

the Warriors are the one seed and face of league, they will not get screwed by the refs. let me put it this way in the 4th quarter who is more likely to get a call, a role player on GS or on Portland? you have have earned respect and get it from the officials.

KnicksorBust
04-18-2017, 02:11 PM
Not big on hypotheticals because there is so much more involved than Player A for player B but short answer no, I would not. And would not think twice. Assuming KD re-signs, they have no need for another star small forward and it is not as if Kawhi can fill Draymond's role guarding bigs defensively, effectively ruining their best lineups. Kawhi is the better player in a vacuum, but as their roster is constructed you would never make that trade (and obviously that is just on the surface, there are a multitude of other reasons why this would never be considered).

That was my guess. It also would eliminate your "death" lineup with Draymond at the 5 so I understand your arguments.

KnicksorBust
04-18-2017, 02:13 PM
On THIS team? No. Kawhi for Durant would be a more interesting switch.

That's interesting too. I think Kawhi for Draymond is a better debate tho because it is more clear that Kawhi is the superior all-around player but the fit on the team makes it a tough decision. A SF for a SF is pretty straight forward. A SF for a hybrid PF/C who guards everybody on a team that already has plenty of offensive firepower is tougher.

KnicksorBust
04-18-2017, 02:19 PM
We don't know for certain if the team would turn on the GM, I highly doubt it considering the amount of trades that happen.

Also, if you're going to try and argue Kawhi would be selfish or is not a team player... good luck with that argument.

I think you are vastly underrated Kawhi's defensive versatility. Would it be the same team? Of course not. But just because it isn't the same doesn't mean it'd be worse. I think it would be a lot better.

KD has been very good defending at the rim and a lineup of Curry, Klay, Kawhi, KD, Zaza/depth would be unstoppable.

I get Dray is a Warrior and I get the chemistry concerns, but those were the same chemistry concerns people raised about KD joining. I never bought it. The team would absolute demolish teams, likely to a greater degree than they are now.

I love that they both said no. Not saying they are wrong but it is great because I'm sure both would acknowledge that Kawhi is the "better" player but they just want to keep the chemistry in tact. Can't blame them.

The underestimated aspect of that trade is Kawhi's offensive upgrade would be more valuable than the alleged downgrade defensively. Seriously you can't guard that team. Kawhi is so much better than Draymond on offense. . Every shot would be a wide open 3 or a layup for an offensive monster. Curry-Klay-Kawhi-Durant getting wide open looks? Curry-Klay-Kawhi-Durant being guarded by a team's 3rd or 4th best defender? Curry-Klay-Kawhi-Durant getting to catch a swing pass and blowing by a recovery help defender? It'd be like the dream team on offense I disagree with the idea that Draymond's defensive versatility wins. Give me Kawhi as well.

tredigs
04-18-2017, 02:54 PM
I love that they both said no. Not saying they are wrong but it is great because I'm sure both would acknowledge that Kawhi is the "better" player but they just want to keep the chemistry in tact. Can't blame them.

The underestimated aspect of that trade is Kawhi's offensive upgrade would be more valuable than the alleged downgrade defensively. Seriously you can't guard that team. Kawhi is so much better than Draymond on offense. . Every shot would be a wide open 3 or a layup for an offensive monster. Curry-Klay-Kawhi-Durant getting wide open looks? Curry-Klay-Kawhi-Durant being guarded by a team's 3rd or 4th best defender? Curry-Klay-Kawhi-Durant getting to catch a swing pass and blowing by a recovery help defender? It'd be like the dream team on offense I disagree with the idea that Draymond's defensive versatility wins. Give me Kawhi as well.

KD is not playing the 4 all game fellas. And losing the death lineup for a version that includes Zaza at center is a negative, even with Kawhi being better offensively. Dray being able to guard centers and switch onto point guards effectively is a trump card in this debate as far as the Warriors go (imo). If you're starting a new team by all means take Kawhi, but that is not a trade Myers would be foolish enough to bite on unless he had multiple other deals in the works. And as is, you just do not get rid of the teams emotional leader and soon to be DPOY for more offense (especially when the O downgrades significantly at the C spot in their best lineup). They have that in droves. You keep Draymond for what he did to the Blazers in the 4th quarter Sunday. He is essentially not tradeable.

valade16
04-18-2017, 03:17 PM
KD is not playing the 4 all game fellas. And losing the death lineup for a version that includes Zaza at center is a negative, even with Kawhi being better offensively. Dray being able to guard centers and switch onto point guards effectively is a trump card in this debate as far as the Warriors go (imo). If you're starting a new team by all means take Kawhi, but that is not a trade Myers would be foolish enough to bite on unless he had multiple other deals in the works. And as is, you just do not get rid of the teams emotional leader and soon to be DPOY for more offense (especially when the O downgrades significantly at the C spot in their best lineup). They have that in droves. You keep Draymond for what he did to the Blazers in the 4th quarter Sunday. He is essentially not tradeable.

I completely get why you say you wouldn't do the trade and at this point as loaded as GS is it doesn't matter, they're the best regardless.

But yeah, I think most non-Dub fans would trade Dray for Kawhi. In fact, it's a nonstarter because as fast as you think Myers would say no, Buford wouldn't even take the call.

kdspurman
04-18-2017, 03:18 PM
KD is not playing the 4 all game fellas. And losing the death lineup for a version that includes Zaza at center is a negative, even with Kawhi being better offensively. Dray being able to guard centers and switch onto point guards effectively is a trump card in this debate as far as the Warriors go (imo). If you're starting a new team by all means take Kawhi, but that is not a trade Myers would be foolish enough to bite on unless he had multiple other deals in the works. And as is, you just do not get rid of the teams emotional leader and soon to be DPOY for more offense (especially when the O downgrades significantly at the C spot in their best lineup). They have that in droves. You keep Draymond for what he did to the Blazers in the 4th quarter Sunday. He is essentially not tradeable.

I agree with you that GS loses out on the chemistry they have. I wouldn't do it if i'm the Dubs. He's also the vocal, yelling often , ra-ra-ra type, and you aren't getting that with Kawhi. But like the impact Draymond had down the stretch defensively vs Portland, Kawhi has done that many times in his young career. So I don't think the defensive drop-off is as much the issue as it is chemistry, imo.

Kawhi is a superior scorer, and at this point Dray is a better play-maker. GS thrives with him in the open court

TrueFan420
04-18-2017, 04:43 PM
I agree with you that GS loses out on the chemistry they have. I wouldn't do it if i'm the Dubs. He's also the vocal, yelling often , ra-ra-ra type, and you aren't getting that with Kawhi. But like the impact Draymond had down the stretch defensively vs Portland, Kawhi has done that many times in his young career. So I don't think the defensive drop-off is as much the issue as it is chemistry, imo.

Kawhi is a superior scorer, and at this point Dray is a better play-maker. GS thrives with him in the open court
Its more about Dray being able to slide down and handle the Center for stretch's while still being able to switch off onto anyone. Kawhi is the better player but dray gives us a versatility that we cant really get anywhere else.

I think a more interesting question would be KD and Kawhi.

tredigs
04-18-2017, 05:07 PM
Agree on both above takes.

Scoots
04-18-2017, 05:14 PM
the Warriors are the one seed and face of league, they will not get screwed by the refs. let me put it this way in the 4th quarter who is more likely to get a call, a role player on GS or on Portland? you have have earned respect and get it from the officials.

Maybe ... but Kerr has been on the players all year to act more on contact because they haven't been getting the calls other teams playing against them get. Curry gets held on a regular basis and I think I saw it called twice this year, when Curry does it he gets called on it regularly. It may just be that the Warriors are not as good playing that officiating game as others are. Draymond Green drives me nuts because he YELLS "and 1" on nearly every shot. So, yeah, I don't think the Warriors get all that many calls ... not out of being "stars" anyhow. I know the Warriors are in the top half of the NBA for being called for fouls ... I don't know where they fall in opponent fouls, but I'd guess they are in the bottom half of the league.

Vee-Rex
04-18-2017, 05:27 PM
I completely get why you say you wouldn't do the trade and at this point as loaded as GS is it doesn't matter, they're the best regardless.

But yeah, I think most non-Dub fans would trade Dray for Kawhi. In fact, it's a nonstarter because as fast as you think Myers would say no, Buford wouldn't even take the call.

If I was GS I wouldn't make that trade either. Kawhi is the better player that would you take on a new team but Draymond's role is hard to replace. Green is a prolific passer for a PF/C and it's something that GS leans on quite a bit.

Honestly, I don't think anyone in the league except LeBron could slide into Draymond's role and do it as effectively as he does - and even with LeBron you'd have to question his ability to be a defensive beast night-in and night-out. Perhaps with less of an offensive burden.

valade16
04-18-2017, 05:32 PM
If I was GS I wouldn't make that trade either. Kawhi is the better player that would you take on a new team but Draymond's role is hard to replace. Green is a prolific passer for a PF/C and it's something that GS leans on quite a bit.

Honestly, I don't think anyone in the league except LeBron could slide into Draymond's role and do it as effectively as he does - and even with LeBron you'd have to question his ability to be a defensive beast night-in and night-out. Perhaps with less of an offensive burden.

I don't think Kawhi would slide into Dray's role, he'd have a completely different role from Dray. Just because a team becomes different doesn't mean it gets worse.

I get the argument, but it smacks of the same argument people tried last year about how KD would mess up chemistry and fit, and that obviously didn't happen.

I'll never under-estimate just having vastly superior talent and nobody is touching a team with 3 MVP caliber players in their prime. Maybe if there was some C that could really punish them... but there's not.

Not that it matters, nobody is touching the current Warriors anyway.

tredigs
04-18-2017, 05:58 PM
I don't think Kawhi would slide into Dray's role, he'd have a completely different role from Dray. Just because a team becomes different doesn't mean it gets worse.

I get the argument, but it smacks of the same argument people tried last year about how KD would mess up chemistry and fit, and that obviously didn't happen.

I'll never under-estimate just having vastly superior talent and nobody is touching a team with 3 MVP caliber players in their prime. Maybe if there was some C that could really punish them... but there's not.

Not that it matters, nobody is touching the current Warriors anyway.

The difference is KD slid into a role where the only legit question was, "who will lose shots?". He's better on ball, off ball, and defensively than the player he replaced. There was really no question as to him stepping in and being a clear upgrade (not from anybody who knew what they were talking about at least). Kawhi for Draymond is a massively different situation that would throw a wrench in their entire team dynamic. Night and day comparison. In no way would it be worth the risk for a potential minimal upgrade (I'm pretty confident it would be a clear downgrade).

valade16
04-18-2017, 06:03 PM
I just don't see a team swapping Dray for Kawhi being a downgrade. At worst they'd be different but no better. I think a lot of people are underestimating Kawhi's defense as well (especially considering he is the reigning 2x DPOY).

tredigs
04-18-2017, 08:33 PM
I just don't see a team swapping Dray for Kawhi being a downgrade. At worst they'd be different but no better. I think a lot of people are underestimating Kawhi's defense as well (especially considering he is the reigning 2x DPOY).
Just would create a situation of huge/unnecessary upheaval that would take a lot of time/trades to fine tune, if it ever did. Long story short, it is a trade that would make no sense for GS to pull the trigger on (ditto Spurs). Anyway, back to reality for me.

Scoots
04-18-2017, 09:46 PM
I just don't see a team swapping Dray for Kawhi being a downgrade. At worst they'd be different but no better. I think a lot of people are underestimating Kawhi's defense as well (especially considering he is the reigning 2x DPOY).

The problem is that the SG/SF position is already full to bursting with Thompson, Durant, and Iguodala, and while Kawhi is better than all of them on D and all but Durant on offense he would duplicate already excellent talent on the team. Green for Kawhi would necessitate other moves that would be very hard to make.

Scoots
04-18-2017, 09:47 PM
Why is the next game so far out. Last year the Warriors had a short break from last game to first playoff game and didn't get as much rest as the Cavs ... now they've flipped it the other way.

TrueFan420
04-18-2017, 11:13 PM
If I was GS I wouldn't make that trade either. Kawhi is the better player that would you take on a new team but Draymond's role is hard to replace. Green is a prolific passer for a PF/C and it's something that GS leans on quite a bit.

Honestly, I don't think anyone in the league except LeBron could slide into Draymond's role and do it as effectively as he does - and even with LeBron you'd have to question his ability to be a defensive beast night-in and night-out. Perhaps with less of an offensive burden.
Someone I'd kill to sign to be our bench peice is borris freaking Diaw.
He'd be perfect back up to dray

likemystylez
04-18-2017, 11:41 PM
If I was GS I wouldn't make that trade either. Kawhi is the better player that would you take on a new team but Draymond's role is hard to replace. Green is a prolific passer for a PF/C and it's something that GS leans on quite a bit.

Honestly, I don't think anyone in the league except LeBron could slide into Draymond's role and do it as effectively as he does - and even with LeBron you'd have to question his ability to be a defensive beast night-in and night-out. Perhaps with less of an offensive burden.

actually I think when lebron is on the decline of his career- his role could be a lot like draymond greens current role. dont think he will be a defensive player of the year candidate and guard all 5 positions. but running the offense from the 4 and putting a body on 5s in a small ball line up. Lebron will be better on the block- but I could see his game looking similar

tredigs
04-19-2017, 02:00 AM
I will say right now that LeBron in no way could slide in for Draymond. The defensive falloff is beyond reproach. Dray is 26ish and proven to guard centers, LeBrons old *** lol. Just no.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 02:33 AM
I just don't see a team swapping Dray for Kawhi being a downgrade. At worst they'd be different but no better. I think a lot of people are underestimating Kawhi's defense as well (especially considering he is the reigning 2x DPOY).

I disagree as well, and I disagree in general with tredigs' and other's opinion that Green is that critical to our system, if anything he's a product of it, not "why it works".

I'm sure he any others would say "well it's a good thing you aren't the HC" but I would start Iggy over Green and not really think twice about it. I still also think it would be more impactful to have Lee's double/double over Green's triple double once in a while, and I am someone who still believes that "defense wins championships".

I'd take Leonard over Green in a straight up trade easily and would bet all I own the team doesn't regress in the long run.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 02:35 AM
Its more about Dray being able to slide down and handle the Center for stretch's while still being able to switch off onto anyone. Kawhi is the better player but dray gives us a versatility that we cant really get anywhere else.

I think a more interesting question would be KD and Kawhi.
I disagree 100% with this.

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 10:51 AM
I will say right now that LeBron in no way could slide in for Draymond. The defensive falloff is beyond reproach. Dray is 26ish and proven to guard centers, LeBrons old *** lol. Just no.

age would effect his ability to guard guards more so than centers.... esp considering that there are only like 3 or 4 centers who are a consistent threat to score

valade16
04-19-2017, 11:05 AM
The reason Dray can swap 1-5 and guard Centers is precisely the reason that isn't nearly as important as it's being made out to be, there are no good Centers.

If the Warriors don't have Dray, which center is going to punish the Warriors enough to outscore Curry, KD, Kawhi, and Klay? Answer: no center on earth.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 11:38 AM
This thread took a turn into crazy town and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Expose yourself people.

valade16
04-19-2017, 11:57 AM
This thread took a turn into crazy town and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Expose yourself people.

Will KD be playing tonight?

tredigs
04-19-2017, 12:06 PM
Will KD be playing tonight?

Won't know anything 'til shootaround. 7:30 west coast game so that prob won't happen for a couple hours. Ditto Nurkic I guess. Seems like 50/50 on both.

valade16
04-19-2017, 12:11 PM
Won't know anything 'til shootaround. 7:30 west coast game so that prob won't happen for a couple hours. Ditto Nurkic I guess. Seems like 50/50 on both.

I don't think it's been completely confirmed but there's less than a 10% chance Nurkic plays.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 12:15 PM
http://www.nba.com/warriors/draymond/dpoy/20170412/


Despite not having the height advantage of some of his counterparts, Green has been one of the top rim protectors in the NBA, tied for the league-lead in defensive field goal percentage (.439) within five feet of the basket (minimum 400 shots defended), while also leading the NBA in steals per game (2.0) and trailing only John Wall in total deflections (295). Thatís an extremely rare skill set, as according to Basketball Reference, Green is on pace to become just the sixth player in NBA history to play at least 20 minutes per game and post block (.033) and steal (.030) rates of three percent or greater within a single season. That means that, on average, approximately 6.3 out of every 100 opponent possessions with Green on the court this season have resulted in a block or steal by him.

The switch-heavy defensive scheme that the Warriors utilize simply would not be possible without Greenís ability to contain centers and guards alike, and thatís exemplified by his defensive rating of 99.3, which leads the league among all qualified players who average at least 20 minutes per game. That means that the Warriors have allowed an average of 99.3 points per 100 possessions with Green on the floor this season, but that mark actually pales in comparison to how stout Green was in Kevin Durantís absence after the perennial All-Star went down with a knee injury on the last day of February. One would naturally have expected Golden Stateís defense to suffer without their leading shot-blocker and defensive rebounder, but the exact opposite proved to be true, thanks in large part to Greenís ramped up play on that end of the floor. In the 19 games Durant missed due to injury, the Warriors posted a defensive rating of 97.0 points per 100 possessions with Green on the court, nearly 10 points fewer than the league average over that span.

Just came across this piece. Seems fitting for this thread right about now. Another note I will add - being a dominant rim protector (on top of everything else he excels at) extends to defense against ALL players, not just centers.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 12:22 PM
I don't think it's been completely confirmed but there's less than a 10% chance Nurkic plays.

Wow you think? The ABC report before game 1 quoted Stotts saying that Nurkic was ready to go and that it was not a weight bearing bone, so now it was just a matter of pain tolerance on when he would return. That **** must hurt quite bad if he's going to continue to miss time (assuming the report was correct).

I'm off today and watching ESPN right now, they just said KD will be a game time decision.

Vee-Rex
04-19-2017, 12:41 PM
I will say right now that LeBron in no way could slide in for Draymond. The defensive falloff is beyond reproach. Dray is 26ish and proven to guard centers, LeBrons old *** lol. Just no.

You underestimate him. He has been at the Center plenty of times this year (Him, both D-Wills, Korver, Shumpert lineups) and didn't do bad at all. In the playoffs I'm sure he'd do better than his regular season version. Not to mention the addition of KD adds some rim protection.

Regardless, Bron > Draymond at running the floor and propelling/fueling the offense, and that's a HUGE part of what Draymond is needed for. He's a better passer than Draymond, better scorer, better threat from all over.

I mean, I get it - Bron is older and the major concern is definitely his capability of providing such an enormous defensive boost night-in and night-out. But I'd hesitate on saying NO WAY he could do it. He'd certainly have a lot more energy to put into his defense if he had KD and Steph and Klay to help carry that offensive load - and that's not something you can deny.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 12:46 PM
You underestimate him. He has been at the Center plenty of times this year (Him, both D-Wills, Korver, Shumpert lineups) and didn't do bad at all. In the playoffs I'm sure he'd do better than his regular season version. Not to mention the addition of KD adds some rim protection.

Regardless, Bron > Draymond at running the floor and propelling/fueling the offense, and that's a HUGE part of what Draymond is needed for. He's a better passer than Draymond, better scorer, better threat from all over.

I mean, I get it - Bron is older and the major concern is definitely his capability of providing such an enormous defensive boost night-in and night-out. But I'd hesitate on saying NO WAY he could do it. He'd certainly have a lot more energy to put into his defense if he had KD and Steph and Klay to help carry that offensive load - and that's not something you can deny.

I mean come on dude, I know Lebron is better than Green. But if you think he's sliding into Green's role defensively for a season + playoffs, you are sorely mistaken. This guy is a MONSTER every single game on that end. And every game it includes long stints guarding PF/Centers, and constant switches on to PG's and wings. LBJ never had that in his arsenal to the degree that Draymond does, and certainly does not at this juncture of his career. If you want to make the argument that he could match it for one playoff series, sure, you could make that argument. But consistency is king (zing) and Draymond always brings it.

Beyond that, I wouldn't want LBJ on the Warriors despite the fact that he would help them. Too ball dominant and too redundant of what our system already provides (great passing and easy shots for our elite off ball scorers).

Vee-Rex
04-19-2017, 12:53 PM
I mean come on dude, I know Lebron is better than Green. But if you think he's sliding into Green's role defensively for a season + playoffs, you are sorely mistaken. This guy is a MONSTER every single game on that end. And every game it includes long stints guarding PF/Centers, and constant switches on to PG's and wings. LBJ never had that in his arsenal to the degree that Draymond does, and certainly does not at this juncture of his career. If you want to make the argument that he could match it for one playoff series, sure, you could make that argument. But consistency is king (zing) and Draymond always brings it.

If LeBron is capable of doing it for one series, why not for far longer if he has KD + Steph + Klay to carry the offense? He has never, ever been surrounded by that amount of talent. He has always preferred to set up his teammates than be the alpha/dominant scorer himself.

I'd bet he'd certainly be capable of scoring below 20ppg (hell maybe even 17ppg) in order to conserve energy and anchor the defense. He'd certainly play less minutes each game in GS's system and would not come close to the 38'ish mpg he averaged for the Cavs this season.

Even with ALL THAT extra energy and a more focused role, he still may not quite match Green's defensive suite on every night, but it's hard to imagine he wouldn't come close. He's capable of guarding every position at a high level.

I'm not barging in here saying he would definitely fill Green's shoes and then some. I admitted there would be some concern about him doing it on a nightly basis at such a high level. But what I'm saying I can envision him coming close - especially if he's fresh for the above mentioned reasons.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 01:21 PM
If LeBron is capable of doing it for one series, why not for far longer if he has KD + Steph + Klay to carry the offense? He has never, ever been surrounded by that amount of talent. He has always preferred to set up his teammates than be the alpha/dominant scorer himself.

I'd bet he'd certainly be capable of scoring below 20ppg (hell maybe even 17ppg) in order to conserve energy and anchor the defense. He'd certainly play less minutes each game in GS's system and would not come close to the 38'ish mpg he averaged for the Cavs this season.

Even with ALL THAT extra energy and a more focused role, he still may not quite match Green's defensive suite on every night, but it's hard to imagine he wouldn't come close. He's capable of guarding every position at a high level.

I'm not barging in here saying he would definitely fill Green's shoes and then some. I admitted there would be some concern about him doing it on a nightly basis at such a high level. But what I'm saying I can envision him coming close - especially if he's fresh for the above mentioned reasons.

Fair enough? I certainly can not envision that. Maybe at 26 if that was his sole pursuit (never would be), but it's not happening in reality.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 01:32 PM
The reason Dray can swap 1-5 and guard Centers is precisely the reason that isn't nearly as important as it's being made out to be, there are no good Centers.

If the Warriors don't have Dray, which center is going to punish the Warriors enough to outscore Curry, KD, Kawhi, and Klay? Answer: no center on earth.

Well said.

And give me a sold center (prime shaq) over Green switching defenders in a "small ball" lineup any day. There's more than one way to win in the NBA.


http://www.nba.com/warriors/draymond/dpoy/20170412/



Just came across this piece. Seems fitting for this thread right about now. Another note I will add - being a dominant rim protector (on top of everything else he excels at) extends to defense against ALL players, not just centers.
I've read countless pieces like this before but where I disagree is that his ability to switch defenders and assume the C role isn't UNIQUE, and is something that any defender with the length and intangibles can learn.

Green developed into this role, if you remember correctly, in his first few seasons he wasn't this versatile nor effective.

valade16
04-19-2017, 01:33 PM
Although Draymond Green is not better than everyone else in the league, he is actually better than everyone else in the league.

Vee-Rex
04-19-2017, 01:38 PM
Fair enough? I certainly can not envision that. Maybe at 26 if that was his sole pursuit (never would be), but it's not happening in reality.

For sure it would never happen, since it would never be his sole pursuit and he's too ball dominant. I usually don't care much for these sort of hypotheticals myself.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 01:53 PM
'lol, please' just said, and I quote, "And give me a solid center (prime shaq) over Green switching defenders in a "small ball" lineup any day. There's more than one way to win in the NBA.".

Didn't go with Rik Smits as the solid center replacement, opted for PRIME SHAQ (in parenthesis lmfao). :laugh:
Also considers David Lee in his current form as a supreme replacement (I legit think he's serious and I love him for that).

I don't think this debate can get reach a higher pinnacle so I'm going to end my piece on that here.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 01:59 PM
Although Draymond Green is not better than everyone else in the league, he is actually better than everyone else in the league.

Noticed you didn't reply to the piece I quoted in here tho. I'll take your white flag and place it next to mine on the door front of lol, please's parenthetical Shaq post (that will not be eclipsed so we can move on to game talk).

BKLYNpigeon
04-19-2017, 02:14 PM
KD Probably out tonight with a strained calf

lol, please
04-19-2017, 02:17 PM
'lol, please' just said, and I quote, "And give me a solid center (prime shaq) over Green switching defenders in a "small ball" lineup any day. There's more than one way to win in the NBA.".

Didn't go with Rik Smits as the solid center replacement, opted for PRIME SHAQ (in parenthesis lmfao). :laugh:
Also considers David Lee in his current form as a supreme replacement (I legit think he's serious and I love him for that).

I don't think this debate can get reach a higher pinnacle so I'm going to end my piece on that here.

lol.

Maybe not legit replacement today, but I've always considered Lee undervalued by our fanbase. At the time of his injury, absolutely I had a big problem with that move. At this point it's hard to argue against Green's impact.

Shaq was extreme, tongue in cheek, hyperbole.

That said, I would totally take a prime Shaq over green on this team, even if it meant drastically changing the system, Shaq is one of 2 players in history I would not walk away from, but I don't want to derail the topic.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 02:38 PM
Warriors moving to -13.0

Going all in here, even if we rest Durant.

KnicksorBust
04-19-2017, 02:43 PM
lol.

Maybe not legit replacement today, but I've always considered Lee undervalued by our fanbase. At the time of his injury, absolutely I had a big problem with that move. At this point it's hard to argue against Green's impact.

Shaq was extreme, tongue in cheek, hyperbole.

That said, I would totally take a prime Shaq over green on this team, even if it meant drastically changing the system, Shaq is one of 2 players in history I would not walk away from, but I don't want to derail the topic.

I THINK... and I'm just guessing... I don't know for a fact... but I THINK Tredigs would also take Shaq. Tough to say Draymond Green is an elite rim protector. :)

Scoots
04-19-2017, 02:52 PM
It would certainly be interesting to see a fully bought-in LeBron on these Warriors ... Curry, Thompson, LeBron, KD, and a bag of soggy donuts would make a lineup that could score that is for sure. What I don't know is whether LeBron would be willing to drastically reduce his influence on the offense and drastically increase his role on defense for 100ish games a year

lol, please
04-19-2017, 02:52 PM
I THINK... and I'm just guessing... I don't know for a fact... but I THINK Tredigs would also take Shaq. Tough to say Draymond Green is an elite rim protector. :)

The good news is, we can find out here:

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?921053-Draymond-Green-Prime-Shaq-Who-would-provide-MORE-value-to-this-CURRENT-Dubs-team

If he chooses to make a case for Green anyway.

I didn't want to derail the thread with that topic so I made it a discussion.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 02:55 PM
lol.

Maybe not legit replacement today, but I've always considered Lee undervalued by our fanbase. At the time of his injury, absolutely I had a big problem with that move. At this point it's hard to argue against Green's impact.

Shaq was extreme, tongue in cheek, hyperbole.

That said, I would totally take a prime Shaq over green on this team, even if it meant drastically changing the system, Shaq is one of 2 players in history I would not walk away from, but I don't want to derail the topic.

Haha. I'm with you bud. I actually liked D. Lee a lot, but respect to Draymond man. That man has earned everything and grown so much in this league. Cut from a different cloth to be sure. We are damn lucky to have him on the Warriors.

valade16
04-19-2017, 03:40 PM
I THINK... and I'm just guessing... I don't know for a fact... but I THINK Tredigs would also take Shaq. Tough to say Draymond Green is an elite rim protector. :)

Shaq couldn't do what Dray can so GS shouldn't do that.

Scoots
04-19-2017, 03:47 PM
Haha. I'm with you bud. I actually liked D. Lee a lot, but respect to Draymond man. That man has earned everything and grown so much in this league. Cut from a different cloth to be sure. We are damn lucky to have him on the Warriors.

I'd still like to have Lee ... but his D is SOOOOOOOO bad I don't know how much PT he'd get.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 03:48 PM
Shaq couldn't do what Dray can so GS shouldn't do that.

Same position, more dominant. /argument. Your take was egg shell weak.

valade16
04-19-2017, 03:56 PM
Same position, more dominant. /argument. Your take was egg shell weak.

Shaq was a PF who could play small ball 5 and pass, shoot 3's and switch onto PGs? Wow!

Draymond Green played 79% of his minutes at PF this season...

Not to re-hash this but your argument is pretty weak, beginning with that post about Dray's switching. Yes, Dray can switch but that doesn't mean that's the only way to play defense or he's cracked some pandora's box of perfect defense.

It's just bizarre you keep insisting anyone who is traded for Dray must assume his exact role. Heck, Kawhi and the Spurs had a better defense this season than the Warriors and Dray, and your argument is somehow that a trade makes the Warriors drastically worse on that end?

Don't buy it. They'd be different, but they wouldn't be worse.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 04:19 PM
Shaq was a PF who could play small ball 5 and pass, shoot 3's and switch onto PGs? Wow!

Draymond Green played 79% of his minutes at PF this season...

Not to re-hash this but your argument is pretty weak, beginning with that post about Dray's switching. Yes, Dray can switch but that doesn't mean that's the only way to play defense or he's cracked some pandora's box of perfect defense.

It's just bizarre you keep insisting anyone who is traded for Dray must assume his exact role. Heck, Kawhi and the Spurs had a better defense this season than the Warriors and Dray, and your argument is somehow that a trade makes the Warriors drastically worse on that end?

Don't buy it. They'd be different, but they wouldn't be worse.

Senor Valade, do not buy a websites % stats of "who played what position". If a team has a player beasting in the paint, that is who he is guarding. Regardless of him being penciled in as the starting PF. And he is their top paint protector (arguably the top paint protector in the NBA - we see you Gobert). Your argument that Kawhi was on an arguably better defense (it swapped all season D rating wise and when Draymond was on the court they were better than any D the Spurs had. GSW just had more blowouts and lapses from their bench accordingly in the 4th) makes no sense.

Fun fact: The Spurs were significantly worse defensively with Kawhi on the floor this season (league average 107 D rating on, dominant 98 off. Huge sample size - 2500:1500 minutes). BOOM.

Btw, in case you swung and missed on my last posts point, I was not saying PRIME SHAQ is a downgrade.

valade16
04-19-2017, 04:37 PM
Senor Valade, do not buy a websites % stats of "who played what position". If a team has a player beasting in the paint, that is who he is guarding. Regardless of him being penciled in as the starting PF. And he is their top paint protector (arguably the top paint protector in the NBA - we see you Gobert). Your argument that Kawhi was on an arguably better defense (it swapped all season D rating wise and when Draymond was on the court they were better than any D the Spurs had. GSW just had more blowouts and lapses from their bench accordingly in the 4th) makes no sense.

Fun fact: The Spurs were significantly worse defensively with Kawhi on the floor this season (league average 107 D rating on, dominant 98 off. Huge sample size - 2500:1500 minutes). BOOM.

Btw, in case you swung and missed on my last posts point, I was not saying PRIME SHAQ is a downgrade.

About as fun a fact as crime goes up when people eat more ice cream. It's actually been explained ad nauseum:

https://www.numberfire.com/nba/news/11847/no-the-spurs-defense-isn-t-actually-better-without-kawhi-leonard

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kawhi-leonard-is-so-great-at-defense-hes-actually-hurting-the-spurs/

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/12/14/13958396/kawhi-leonard-impact-spurs-defense

http://fansided.com/2017/03/16/nylon-calculus-missed-3-pointers-ruining-kawhi-leonard-defensive-numbers/

Unless you want to continue to argue Kawhi hurts the Spurs defense or the Spurs are actually better on D without Kawhi I'll consider the point conceded.

The Spurs had the better defense last year too. You're right in that both the Spurs and Warriors have flipped best defenses the last 3 years and been neck and neck, but that doesn't really help your point. Dray hasn't created some perfect defense where switching him with a superior player who is also a world class defender would make their defense suddenly plummet.

Go back to the 26 year old LeBron James, it seemed like you were saying you wouldn't trade Dray for prime LeBron, if that is the case, there's not much here to talk about is there?

TrueFan420
04-19-2017, 04:37 PM
I disagree 100% with this.

ok, so who would fill that role? top defense, heart, leadership, plays the 4-5 and can switch onto guards as well.

TrueFan420
04-19-2017, 04:42 PM
Shaq was a PF who could play small ball 5 and pass, shoot 3's and switch onto PGs? Wow!

Draymond Green played 79% of his minutes at PF this season...

Not to re-hash this but your argument is pretty weak, beginning with that post about Dray's switching. Yes, Dray can switch but that doesn't mean that's the only way to play defense or he's cracked some pandora's box of perfect defense.

It's just bizarre you keep insisting anyone who is traded for Dray must assume his exact role. Heck, Kawhi and the Spurs had a better defense this season than the Warriors and Dray, and your argument is somehow that a trade makes the Warriors drastically worse on that end?

Don't buy it. They'd be different, but they wouldn't be worse.
this is a good point. if dray were traded it wouldnt be like for like and the team would need to switch up how they to fit the new player. Dray would not be traded for a SG/SF when we have so much invested in Klay/KD. It would be for a more traditional big.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 04:43 PM
About as fun a fact as crime goes up when people eat more ice cream. It's actually been explained ad nauseum:

https://www.numberfire.com/nba/news/11847/no-the-spurs-defense-isn-t-actually-better-without-kawhi-leonard

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kawhi-leonard-is-so-great-at-defense-hes-actually-hurting-the-spurs/

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/12/14/13958396/kawhi-leonard-impact-spurs-defense

http://fansided.com/2017/03/16/nylon-calculus-missed-3-pointers-ruining-kawhi-leonard-defensive-numbers/

Unless you want to continue to argue Kawhi hurts the Spurs defense or the Spurs are actually better on D without Kawhi I'll consider the point conceded.

The Spurs had the better defense last year too. You're right in that both the Spurs and Warriors have flipped best defenses the last 3 years and been neck and neck, but that doesn't really help your point. Dray hasn't created some perfect defense where switching him with a superior player who is also a world class defender would make their defense suddenly plummet.

Go back to the 26 year old LeBron James, it seemed like you were saying you wouldn't trade Dray for prime LeBron, if that is the case, there's not much here to talk about is there?

Trust me I know the reality of their defensive #'s and how important Kawhi is to their perimeter defense.

It is not solely about making their defense plummet (which it would). It is about the fact that they are in no way overlapping skill sets and that what Kawhi would bring to the Warriors would not negate what they would lose with Draymond.

In summation:

Better player: Kawhi

Better fit: Draymond

It is that simple. Kawhi on the Warriors brings a redundant skill set that they don't need to any degree close to what Draymond brings. Another fun fact for you: Kawhi Leonard is not prime Shaq, or prime Lebron.

Moving on kids.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 04:44 PM
ok, so who would fill that role? top defense, heart, leadership, plays the 4-5 and can switch onto guards as well.

Iggy, for starters. Who else? I don't know, but I don't think it would be too difficult to find a player who could fill that role if needed. Leonard, Giannis, any player with length who is already a great defender and learn that role.

And as someone else said earlier, it's only needed because we don't have an elite center and the switching favors our system right now, that could always change.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 04:48 PM
I am 100% confident that lol, please would trade Draymond Green for David Lee straight up RIGHT NOW if he was GM of the Warriors. 100%.

valade16
04-19-2017, 04:48 PM
Trust me I know the reality of their defensive #'s and how important Kawhi is to their perimeter defense.

It is not solely about making their defense plummet (which it would). It is about the fact that they are in no way overlapping skill sets and that what Kawhi would bring to the Warriors would not negate what they would lose with Draymond.

In summation:

Better player: Kawhi

Better fit: Draymond

It is that simple. Kawhi on the Warriors brings a redundant skill set that they don't need to any degree close to what Draymond brings. Another fun fact for you: Kawhi Leonard is not prime Shaq, or prime Lebron.

Moving on kids.

You never answered the question... stuck between a rock and a hard place :laugh2:

I get you believe all that, I don't. We can agree to cease the conversation here.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 04:50 PM
this is a good point. if dray were traded it wouldnt be like for like and the team would need to switch up how they to fit the new player. Dray would not be traded for a SG/SF when we have so much invested in Klay/KD. It would be for a more traditional big.

Agreed.

TrueFan420
04-19-2017, 04:51 PM
Iggy, for starters. Who else? I don't know, but I don't think it would be too difficult to find a player who could fill that role if needed. Leonard, Giannis, any player with length who is already a great defender and learn that role.

And as someone else said earlier, it's only needed because we don't have an elite center and the switching favors our system right now, that could always change.

iggy cant play the 4 let alone stretches at the 5 like green. neither can the other players you named. their all players who play 2-3 and maybe some minutes at the 4 in small ball. green is a 4 who plays 5 in small back but can still switch on guards. very different skill sets.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 04:51 PM
You never answered the question... stuck between a rock and a hard place :laugh2:

I get you believe all that, you're just wrong. We can agree to cease the conversation here.

Hahah? I glanced past the LBJ comment. You are attempting to shift hypotheticals for other hypotheticals because you are absolutely lost in your original case. I don't care to entertain your little charade, nor is it relevant. In your psuedo reality this would certainly be a better bet than Kawhi though, that is for damn sure.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 04:52 PM
I am 100% confident that lol, please would trade Draymond Green for David Lee straight up RIGHT NOW if he was GM of the Warriors. 100%.

:laugh:

I promise I wouldn't. Not sober anyway. But I might package West in a deal that brings back Lee, then give him heavy minutes.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 04:53 PM
:laugh:

I promise I wouldn't. Not sober anyway. But I might package West in a deal that brings back Lee, then give him heavy minutes.

Hahaha fair enough

valade16
04-19-2017, 04:55 PM
Hahah? I glanced past the LBJ comment. You are attempting to shift hypotheticals for other hypotheticals because you are absolutely lost in your original case. I don't care to entertain your little charade, nor is it relevant. In your psuedo reality this would certainly be a better bet than Kawhi though, that is for damn sure.

Your arrogance belies your lack of substance in this argument. And FYI, you were the one who was arguing against LeBron earlier in the thread, it's not my hypothetical but yours. And you still refuse to answer. It's OK, I won't make you say you'd take Dray over prime LeBron straight out and lose any credibility...

tredigs
04-19-2017, 04:58 PM
Your arrogance belies your lack of substance in this argument. And FYI, you were the one who was arguing against LeBron earlier in the thread, it's not my hypothetical but yours. And you still refuse to answer. It's OK, I won't make you say you'd take Dray over prime LeBron straight out and lose any credibility...
I don't think I ever brought it up, it was an off-handed response to another poster. LBJ is a top 5 player of All Time, you take him and figure it out. He's not Kawhi Leonard.

I hate you posters for making me spend time discussing this nonsense haha.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 05:11 PM
Got me on a Draymond Youtube watch here. This is a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0ZjzwOVk

The man deserves a lot more respect than I see around here. Finishing 7th in RPM just above Kawhi seems about right.

valade16
04-19-2017, 05:32 PM
From what I'm seeing Kevin Durant, Livingston and Barnes are out for GS but Nurkic, Crabbe, and McCollum are out for Portland.

If McCollum is truly out there goes any upset chance Portland had this game, KD or no KD.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 06:00 PM
From what I'm seeing Kevin Durant, Livingston and Barnes are out for GS but Nurkic, Crabbe, and McCollum are out for Portland.

If McCollum is truly out there goes any upset chance Portland had this game, KD or no KD.

McCollum out? Saying he tweaked his ankle but he showed no signs of it in the loss. That would be a strange and devastating loss if so. Portland has got to get their guys on the court. KD missed shootaround and it's a muscle issue so yeah I don't put him at any better than 50% to play in this one with so many days rest coming and this still likely being a win.

valade16
04-19-2017, 06:15 PM
McCollum out? Saying he tweaked his ankle but he showed no signs of it in the loss. That would be a strange and devastating loss if so. Portland has got to get their guys on the court. KD missed shootaround and it's a muscle issue so yeah I don't put him at any better than 50% to play in this one with so many days rest coming and this still likely being a win.

I haven't read anything local about McCollum being out but ESPN has him listed as out for Game 2. Would be a shocking and crippling injury if so.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 06:26 PM
I haven't read anything local about McCollum being out but ESPN has him listed as out for Game 2. Would be a shocking and crippling injury if so.

Whenever I'm making bets (not tonight) twitter (beat writers for each team) is actually your best bet for up to the minute info. ESPN, etc just follows them and are slow/often wrong to report. He is definitely not "out", but his ankle is apparently an issue. I expect him to play.

valade16
04-19-2017, 07:18 PM
Whenever I'm making bets (not tonight) twitter (beat writers for each team) is actually your best bet for up to the minute info. ESPN, etc just follows them and are slow/often wrong to report. He is definitely not "out", but his ankle is apparently an issue. I expect him to play.

Usually my news feed is inundated with local Blazers news so going to ESPN and seeing McCollum was listed as 'out' when's i heard literally zero news on it was shocking to say the least.

Vee-Rex
04-19-2017, 07:23 PM
Ugh, perfect opportunity for Portland to steal one in Oracle w/o KD, Livingston, and Barnes. It's probably impossible for them to win without McCollum and Nurkic. Lillard 60 points on 40 FGAs?

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 08:36 PM
Ugh, perfect opportunity for Portland to steal one in Oracle w/o KD, Livingston, and Barnes. It's probably impossible for them to win without McCollum and Nurkic. Lillard 60 points on 40 FGAs?

warriors can not afford to stretch this series out..... this only makes sense if they knew cj was sitting out too. warriors should not want this to turn into a 6 or 7 game series, the longer portland sticks around the more they start to believe. just end it early and beat the crap out of them to let them know this is not going to be a cinderella story


I honestly cant imagine someone like lebron james or any other elite player sitting out a playoff game with a calf strain....... LOL shouldnt a training staff be able to figure this out? I mean I understand sitting out a preseason game maybe...... but this is ridiculous

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 08:39 PM
warriors season is going to be thrown down the drain over a friggin calf strain....

tredigs
04-19-2017, 08:44 PM
warriors season is going to be thrown down the drain over a friggin calf strain....

You are legitimately the dumbest man on PSD.

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 08:54 PM
You are legitimately the dumbest man on PSD.

anybody who doesnt have legit concern over this is delusional. this is a disaster and we sat durant for most of the last 6 weeks in order to not be sitting him during the playoffs

tredigs
04-19-2017, 09:03 PM
anybody who doesnt have legit concern over this is delusional. this is a disaster and we sat durant for most of the last 6 weeks in order to not be sitting him during the playoffs

Just go away.

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:06 PM
Just go away.

I see, so your one of those people who will actually have to watch this tragedy play out before you think there is any concern

TrueFan420
04-19-2017, 09:11 PM
anybody who doesnt have legit concern over this is delusional. this is a disaster and we sat durant for most of the last 6 weeks in order to not be sitting him during the playoffs

Dude just stop. KD is coming back from a bad injury. His body isn't fully adapted and balanced. Resting him in game two with a 1 nothing lead at home isn't a big deal against a team we should beat with or without him. We didn't sit him for 6 weeks cause we were rest him he was injured. This isn't a disaster.

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:14 PM
Dude just stop. KD is coming back from a bad injury. His body isn't fully adapted and balanced. Resting him in game two with a 1 nothing lead at home isn't a big deal against a team we should beat with or without him. We didn't sit him for 6 weeks cause we were rest him he was injured. This isn't a disaster.

ok, we dont win game 1 without durant. so what happens if we sit him game 2 and we lose game 2 then 2 other guys get injured long term because they are playing too many minutes

tredigs
04-19-2017, 09:15 PM
I see, so your one of those people who will actually have to watch this tragedy play out before you think there is any concern

I just think you're legitimately crazy/detached from reality, if we are being honest.

If they think KD should rest his calf, fine, rest it. This is game 2 of the playoffs in a series they will without question win with or without him. You are a legit crazy person, and have proved as much over the years here. Just go away.

valade16
04-19-2017, 09:18 PM
Durant being out for the rest of the playoffs would be a big blow, but it wouldn't be a catastrophe considering this very team without KD was in the Finals last year with the best record of all-time and won the Championship the season before.

Durant being out for the Portland series would be a mild inconvenience, the Warriors are too talented to lose to Portland, with or without KD.

Scoots
04-19-2017, 09:18 PM
:rolleyes:

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:23 PM
I just think you're legitimately crazy/detached from reality, if we are being honest.

If they think KD should rest his calf, fine, rest it. This is game 2 of the playoffs in a series they will without question win with or without him. You are a legit crazy person, and have proved as much over the years here. Just go away.

DUDe- look at the box score for game 1. its very unlikely they would have won game 1 which was a home game without kd. not sure how you can say they would win with or without him without question. they refuse to play any defense on the portland guards and klay phones it in on offense in game 1. if klay and curry have an off shooting night and they dont have durants scoring while they play the same level of d on portland- i dont think it is a guarantee that the warriors win a home game let alone the whole series.

also the objective should be to finish the series as fast as possible and not drag it out

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:24 PM
I just think you're legitimately crazy/detached from reality, if we are being honest.

If they think KD should rest his calf, fine, rest it. This is game 2 of the playoffs in a series they will without question win with or without him. You are a legit crazy person, and have proved as much over the years here. Just go away.

ok bet then- if warriors lose this game tonight then you are off psd until the finals? lets see how much faith you have

tredigs
04-19-2017, 09:26 PM
DUDe- look at the box score for game 1. its very unlikely they would have won game 1 which was a home game without kd. not sure how you can say they would win with or without him without question. they refuse to play any defense on the portland guards and klay phones it in on offense in game 1. if klay and curry have an off shooting night and they dont have durants scoring while they play the same level of d on portland- i dont think it is a guarantee that the warriors win a home game let alone the whole series.

also the objective should be to finish the series as fast as possible and not drag it out
OK, checked the box score. "Kevin Durant: +1". Lowest of all starters. Not an uncommon theme this season. Moving on.

Scoots
04-19-2017, 09:26 PM
Crabbe being out is a problem for Portland too as when he's on the floor he's the main person guarding Curry.

1 hour to go.

KD being out sucks, but MUCH better to get his calf right now than push through it and get a severe pull and lose him for the rest of the playoffs. It's a minor irritant now but trying to play through it could be bad. It's good that the team can and should without him.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 09:27 PM
ok bet then- if warriors lose this game tonight then you are off psd until the finals? lets see how much faith you have

Hahahah. I have never taken a PSD bet, but here we go. If the Warriors lose, I will not post 'til the Finals. If the Warrios win, you don't post 'til the Finals. You in?

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:30 PM
Hahahah. I have never taken a PSD bet, but here we go. If the Warriors lose, I will not post 'til the Finals. If the Warrios win, you don't post 'til the Finals. You in?

winning is what should happen, im not going to bet they wont win. their the number 1 seed. im arguing that this hurts their chances

I will bet that his replacement in the starting 5 will not match his production or efficiency from game 1

tredigs
04-19-2017, 09:32 PM
winning is what should happen, im not going to bet they wont win. their the number 1 seed. im arguing that this hurts their chances

Edit: I was rude. You're hilarious buddy.

Scoots
04-19-2017, 09:33 PM
Hahahah. I have never taken a PSD bet, but here we go. If the Warriors lose, I will not post 'til the Finals. If the Warrios win, you don't post 'til the Finals. You in?

If the Warriors win THIS GAME or the series?

Scoots
04-19-2017, 09:34 PM
Lmfao! Gtf out of here you free-rolling POS. Go back to ruining the Warriors forum with your injury hot takes. Please don't unnecessarily soil the playoff threads.

Stylez has proposed a lot of bets in the past and has never followed through that I know of. :rolleyes:

tredigs
04-19-2017, 09:35 PM
Stylez has proposed a lot of bets in the past and has never followed through that I know of. :rolleyes:

Damn, you quoted me before I could edit myself haha. I don't TRY to be that rude, but I just can not stand a lot of things on here. He is one of them.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 09:36 PM
If the Warriors win THIS GAME or the series?

I would have settled for this game. Series is just unfair.

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:36 PM
Stylez has proposed a lot of bets in the past and has never followed through that I know of. :rolleyes:

what bet havent i followed through with?

TrueFan420
04-19-2017, 09:37 PM
If the Warriors win THIS GAME or the series?

Stylz bet said if we lose this game he's off till the finals but he won't take the action back if we win he's off. Apparently he wants the bet that if we lose this game tre is off till the finals and if whoever replaces KD matches KD production he stay off till the finals lol just ridiculous

Scoots
04-19-2017, 09:40 PM
what bet havent i followed through with?

I'm not going to spend any time finding them Stylez. It got so common you dodging bets it became a joke.

Scoots
04-19-2017, 09:40 PM
Stylz bet said if we lose this game he's off till the finals but he won't take the action back if we win he's off. Apparently he wants the bet that if we lose this game tre is off till the finals and if whoever replaces KD matches KD production he stay off till the finals lol just ridiculous

Stylez SOP

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:42 PM
Stylz bet said if we lose this game he's off till the finals but he won't take the action back if we win he's off. Apparently he wants the bet that if we lose this game tre is off till the finals and if whoever replaces KD matches KD production he stay off till the finals lol just ridiculous

well if we lose the game with durant sitting after we won the game with him playing- its pretty clear that my concerns were valid about sitting him.

If we win the game, its still possible that my concerns were valid but warriors overcame tougher objectives. I dont think its impossible for them to win, but I think this hurts their chances.

I realize he might not be 100%, but from everything i hear... in the playoffs- virtually nobody is at 100%. their are little bumps and bruises along the way.... and a minor calf strain falls under bumps and bruises to basically any other training staff in the league during the playoffs

Scoots
04-19-2017, 09:44 PM
Crabbe and McCollum are listed as probable in what I've found thus far. KD is out, but Livingston and Barnes are listed as questionable so they could still play.

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:45 PM
having kd is kinda like wearing a seatbelt- maybe we shouldnt need him, but if we do need him- we want him to be there.

my argument that wearing a seatbelt could still be a valid argument even if someone doesnt wear a seatbelt and makes it home unarmed.

As a passionate warrior fan- i dont like the idea of that risk being taken

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:46 PM
Crabbe and McCollum are listed as probable in what I've found thus far. KD is out, but Livingston and Barnes are listed as questionable so they could still play.

according to bleacher report tweets- livingston and barnes are out as well

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 09:49 PM
crabbe and cj arent gonna sit out if they have seen the warriors injury list..... this is a chance to steal a game. warriors are basically handing this one to them

Scoots
04-19-2017, 09:52 PM
:rolleyes:

Vee-Rex
04-19-2017, 09:53 PM
I like stylez. The NBA should hire him to enforce against resting players. No one could fake an injury on his watch.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 09:57 PM
I'll be honest I went on twitter and clicked "crazy person" to get a .gif for Stylez but this came up and it's too fitting/good.

854150980832768000

Scoots
04-19-2017, 09:59 PM
I like stylez. The NBA should hire him to enforce against resting players. No one could fake an injury on his watch.

To him the only real injuries in the last 20 years in the NBA were Shaun Livingston and Paul George.

I WISH I was joking.

likemystylez
04-19-2017, 10:06 PM
To him the only real injuries in the last 20 years in the NBA were Shaun Livingston and Paul George.

I WISH I was joking.

thats not true, I thought boguts injury when he swung off the rim was legit... when he dislocated his elbow and broke his hand. I thought attributing his free throw shooting problems to it 5 yrs later was a bit of a cop out- but i would not say he should come back in the game.

it really brought new meaning to the phrase "2 hands for safety"... ironically if he threw it down with one hand since he was on the run he woulda been perfectly fine.

tredigs
04-19-2017, 10:08 PM
I would listen to at least 2 episodes of a Stylez and Lol, Please podcast. Just saying.

Scoots
04-19-2017, 10:13 PM
I would listen to at least 2 episodes of a Stylez and Lol, Please podcast. Just saying.

I couldn't do that ... they need counterpoint ... can we get you and Saddletramp to join in too?

tredigs
04-19-2017, 10:21 PM
I couldn't do that ... they need counterpoint ... can we get you and Saddletramp to join in too?

I would without question join in on an honorary PSD Finals podcast if somebody set it up this year. Even a video live-cast if enough of the entertaining personalities joined in. I would love to deep dive and have a laugh at some of the takes I hear here.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 10:51 PM
King Klay Thompson is about to show the world why he > Harden.

lol, please
04-19-2017, 10:53 PM
I would listen to at least 2 episodes of a Stylez and Lol, Please podcast. Just saying.
I've been a part of podcasts before in other forums and would have no problem joining here. I'd be engaged in much more serious discussion than you might think, and would bring a good element to the cast, I think. I'd take it pretty seriously lol.

Scoots
04-19-2017, 10:54 PM
Big stage ... I'm interested to see what McCaw does

lol, please
04-19-2017, 10:56 PM
Curry!!!

:worthy:

Dubs came out on fire!

Scoots
04-19-2017, 10:58 PM
Curry!!!

:worthy:

Dubs came out on fire!

Lillard is 3-3 and Curry is 1-3 ???

eDush
04-19-2017, 10:59 PM
Ohh Warriors....come out to playay!!! :cheer:

tredigs
04-19-2017, 11:00 PM
Commentators ignored it but Draymond just swatted away a Lillard dunk/layup. #notes.