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Rocco007
04-10-2017, 06:01 PM
So we made it through the season...
MY only regret this season is that the Lakers didn't start their young guys day 1.
Deng, Young and Mozgov held back the early development of Ingram and Zubac...
But let me get back to my original argument.
We are the best young core in the NBA...
Why?...because we are the deepest.
Everybody was jumping on that Minny band wagon with their new coach...
Not sure what the excuse is now...Lavine got hurt?...
They weren't winning with him...The HC sucks again? lol...
KAT is a man on an Island...The rest of them boys are low bball IQ players...
Only interested in scoring the ball...or flashy dunks.. nothing else to offer... They have zero depth on the bench..
Who else Philly?
Let's chat about this now that the season is about to end...
Lakers best young core in the NBA... :smoking:

JAZZNC
04-10-2017, 06:08 PM
No they aren't. You wanna talk about low IQ players and Russell is on your team and Ingram was extremely unimpressive. Even with all the injuries I'd take Philly over the Lakers because they at least have a guy that's great when he plays. I also would still take Minny over the Lakers because KAT is better than any two players the Lakers have put together. Nice thread though troll.

bostncelts34
04-10-2017, 06:13 PM
Eh, not that impressive? They have a couple solid young guys. Someone like Ingram had a poor rookie season, especially for the MPG he played. What are we meaning by young? under 26? just so I have some specification.

bostncelts34
04-10-2017, 06:17 PM
Celtics have a good young core also. Brown (20) Smart (23) Rozier (23) Not to mention Yabusele, Nader and Zizic all playing elsewhere at the moment. All under 23. Plus, a top 4 pick this year coming.

Most of the roster is pretty young Bradley/Crowder(26) KO 25

More-Than-Most
04-10-2017, 06:19 PM
Embiid/Saric/Simmons/TLC/Covington.... Without even the fact that we might get 2 top 5 picks this year or next year.... Its not close

Sixers
Wolves




Everyone else.... I am not including the celtics because i figured this was just young out of playoff teams. I love ingram even if he had a terrible season... Russ worries me because he plays 0 defense... Its that bad. They need their pick this year esp with their 2 horrible contracts. I think the lakers have more young talent over a team like the knicks but the knicks have porz whom is better than everyone they have.

bleedprple&gold
04-10-2017, 08:34 PM
Eh, not that impressive? They have a couple solid young guys. Someone like Ingram had a poor rookie season, especially for the MPG he played. What are we meaning by young? under 26? just so I have some specification.

Ingram didnt have a poor rookie season. He had a poor half a season and a pretty decent other half.

valade16
04-10-2017, 09:01 PM
The Celtics have to be #1 because they have Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier and Kelly Olynyk all 26 and younger, and they have likely the #1 overall pick this year and the Nets 1st Round pick in 2019. Not to mention they have Isiaih Thomas and Al Horford.

If the 76ers get the Lakers pick, if Simmons is as good as advertised, if Embiid can stay healthy. Just too many ifs for me to trust them.

Rocco007
04-10-2017, 11:51 PM
Ingram had a bad Rookie season?...what happened to that stud Kris Dunn?????
Let me lay this out in more detail...
While everybody is looking for the nexrt big 3 ala Miami...The Lakers are building depth ala Golden State..
1.Ingram
2.Russell
3.Clarkson
4. Randle
5. Zubac
6. Nance Jr
7. T Rob
8. T Black
9. Ennis
10. Nwaba
11. Lottery Pick?
12. 28th Pick..


Philly has drafted horribly with the chances they've been given...
They gave away Noel. They will give away Okafor this summer...
Although Embiid is talented, he's a 3 year Rookie with bad knees and Feet...
Ben Simmons came in overweight and broke his foot...Who knows what he'll do next year...
Saric looks like a good player...drafted in 2014...He'll leave Philly eventually...

Lakers on the other hand have drafted well...
Nance Jr, Zubac and Clarkson were all steals...
I'm fully confident we will continue that streak in June...
Ball and another solid player...
We all will look back at this in a few years...and laugh!

More-Than-Most
04-11-2017, 12:21 AM
I love this guy lol... Fun note though... Both Russ and Randle are likely odd man out as well.

IKnowHoops
04-11-2017, 02:11 AM
Ingram had a bad Rookie season?...what happened to that stud Kris Dunn?????
Let me lay this out in more detail...
While everybody is looking for the nexrt big 3 ala Miami...The Lakers are building depth ala Golden State..
1.Ingram
2.Russell
3.Clarkson
4. Randle
5. Zubac
6. Nance Jr
7. T Rob
8. T Black
9. Ennis
10. Nwaba
11. Lottery Pick?
12. 28th Pick..


Philly has drafted horribly with the chances they've been given...
They gave away Noel. They will give away Okafor this summer...
Although Embiid is talented, he's a 3 year Rookie with bad knees and Feet...
Ben Simmons came in overweight and broke his foot...Who knows what he'll do next year...
Saric looks like a good player...drafted in 2014...He'll leave Philly eventually...

Lakers on the other hand have drafted well...
Nance Jr, Zubac and Clarkson were all steals...
I'm fully confident we will continue that streak in June...
Ball and another solid player...
We all will look back at this in a few years...and laugh!

Towns and Wiggins are both better than anyone on your team. Wolves were better than the Lakers this year. Come back to reality.

Twolves88
04-11-2017, 04:21 AM
Ingram had a bad Rookie season?...what happened to that stud Kris Dunn?????
Let me lay this out in more detail...
While everybody is looking for the nexrt big 3 ala Miami...The Lakers are building depth ala Golden State..
1.Ingram
2.Russell
3.Clarkson
4. Randle
5. Zubac
6. Nance Jr
7. T Rob
8. T Black
9. Ennis
10. Nwaba
11. Lottery Pick?
12. 28th Pick..


Philly has drafted horribly with the chances they've been given...
They gave away Noel. They will give away Okafor this summer...
Although Embiid is talented, he's a 3 year Rookie with bad knees and Feet...
Ben Simmons came in overweight and broke his foot...Who knows what he'll do next year...
Saric looks like a good player...drafted in 2014...He'll leave Philly eventually...

Lakers on the other hand have drafted well...
Nance Jr, Zubac and Clarkson were all steals...
I'm fully confident we will continue that streak in June...
Ball and another solid player...
We all will look back at this in a few years...and laugh!


Here's the thing. Each one of your players has a major flaw in his game that needs to be fixed before they can be considered anything other then role players. You might have some nice pieces but you have no clear star on that team and you very well might not have one in the coming draft either...

Mave1002
04-11-2017, 04:37 AM
Individual talent wise, I have the Wolves and the Bucks ahead coz theyve the players with superstar potential. The Lakers and Sixers doesnt seem to have that kind of player yet. HOWEVER: The Lakers boasts DEPTH.

The best teams, working as one unit could always beat the best players, duos or even trios.

The team's got each and every position covered, especially if we get to retain this years' top 3 and land someone like Josh Jackson and say another big in the first round.

Lakers
Zubac/Black
Randle/Nance/TRob
---/---
Ingram/Clarkson/Nwaba
Russell/Ennis

Wolves
KAT
--
Wiggins/Bazz
Lavine
Dunn/Jones

Bucks
Maker
Parker
Giannis
Snell/Vaughn
Brogdon

Sixers
Embiid/Okafor
Simmons/Saric
Anderson/---
TLC/Stauskas
---/---

Mave1002
04-11-2017, 04:45 AM
Sorry, I forgot to include the Suns on the list. Put someone like Lonzo Ball on that team and theyd be pretty deep, too.

Len(expiring)/Williams
Chriss/Bender
Warren/DJJ
Booker/Knight
---/Ulis

Vinylman
04-11-2017, 08:33 AM
My apologies to the main forum...

usually we can contain a toxic outbreak like this to the Lakers forum ... unfortunately we need to review our protocols to determine the proximate cause of our failure in this instance...

again... my deepest sympathies for an distress this thread has caused.

STRIKERC
04-11-2017, 08:45 AM
My apologies to the main forum...

usually we can contain a toxic outbreak like this to the Lakers forum ... unfortunately we need to review our protocols to determine the proximate cause of our failure in this instance...

again... my deepest sympathies for an distress this thread has caused.

Yeah, this one is a head-scratcher.

ManRam
04-11-2017, 10:32 AM
The Celtics have to be #1 because they have Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier and Kelly Olynyk all 26 and younger, and they have likely the #1 overall pick this year and the Nets 1st Round pick in 2019. Not to mention they have Isiaih Thomas and Al Horford.

If the 76ers get the Lakers pick, if Simmons is as good as advertised, if Embiid can stay healthy. Just too many ifs for me to trust them.

Only argument at all is because of the top pick. Because what they currently have, well...I don't think it's top-5.

Right now, Philly and Minnesota are the obvious choices. Milwaukee is right there too because Giannis could be the best player in the NBA in a few years. I'd take just him over the entirety of Boston's young core. Not to mention Brogdon, Parker, Maker, Middleton, etc. Actually, since Khris is only 25 and if your cut off is 26 and under, I'd bump Milwaukee into the top tier with Philly and Minny.

I have watched zero Lakers games this year, the names they have seem to be more compelling than the production those names have actually put forth.

tp13baby
04-11-2017, 11:09 AM
Add Denver then.

Jokic
Gary Harris had an underrated season and if you don't believe me look up his season vs Wiggins and Clarkson. Advanced stats make a pretty compelling argument.
Murray's season is better than Ingrams and I expect both to improve greatly.
Mudiay once he got time again put up good efficient numbers.
Juancho Hernangomez won't add to this argument until next year but he IS the reason Gallo won't be back.

Denver just needs a shot blocker around Jokic and picking 13 there is a lot in the area. Denver just has the best system offensively and defensively Murray and Juancho and Gary are a ton better defensively than who gets the majority of the minutes.

Best Core on talent. Milwaukee then Minnesota, after that you can argue a ton of teams. Denver will take another year because of the veterans getting heavy minutes over young guys for the playoff run that fell short.

TheDish87
04-11-2017, 11:11 AM
oh no not this homer OP again. ran his mouth all off-season and was wrong about everything single thing annoyed us with. Its even worse i have to read that big bold purple font on top of it

TheDish87
04-11-2017, 11:14 AM
high IQ player, ill tell ya that Russel is...

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-omr-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=omr&p=dnagelo+russell+fumbles+ball+vs+sixers#id=3&vid=78200cac7c7efcf8d3364d40f1f01855&action=click

ManRam
04-11-2017, 12:31 PM
Add Denver then.

Jokic
Gary Harris had an underrated season and if you don't believe me look up his season vs Wiggins and Clarkson. Advanced stats make a pretty compelling argument.
Murray's season is better than Ingrams and I expect both to improve greatly.
Mudiay once he got time again put up good efficient numbers.
Juancho Hernangomez won't add to this argument until next year but he IS the reason Gallo won't be back.

Denver just needs a shot blocker around Jokic and picking 13 there is a lot in the area. Denver just has the best system offensively and defensively Murray and Juancho and Gary are a ton better defensively than who gets the majority of the minutes.

Best Core on talent. Milwaukee then Minnesota, after that you can argue a ton of teams. Denver will take another year because of the veterans getting heavy minutes over young guys for the playoff run that fell short.

Yeah. Jokic alone probably gets them right there too. I'd put them ahead of LAL.

mngopher35
04-11-2017, 12:46 PM
Well Wolves definitely didn't impress this year but neither did the teams we talked about last year really (76ers, LAkers). 76ers still have a lot of question marks but the highest upside if everything goes their way. Wolves have Towns which is currently the best building block of any of the 3 (Embiid health issues/questions) and Wiggins/Lavine are talented young guys too. Lakers young guys didn't impress a ton this year either.

Milwaukee, Denver, Celtics all deserve to be in this conversation too. Some of it might depend on the lottery situation and what we are drawing the line at as young core (Rubio is 26, Dieng just turned 27 this year). Giannis/Towns/Jokic seem to be the 3 healthy studs of this group then maybe a drop off into lesser or more unknown assets giving those 3 teams an edge? 76ers are still just pure wildcard to me but could be as high as first here with the potential, especially if Embiid is healthy and we can add him to that list.

Celtics I haven't really covered but they are tougher to judge as I kind of feel their young talent is about to come in now or they will use it to top off a contender around Thomas/Bradley/Crowder/Horford etc. Not overly impressed by Brown but they have some good picks headed their way (also depends on where we cut off young core).

valade16
04-11-2017, 12:47 PM
Only argument at all is because of the top pick. Because what they currently have, well...I don't think it's top-5.

Right now, Philly and Minnesota are the obvious choices. Milwaukee is right there too because Giannis could be the best player in the NBA in a few years. I'd take just him over the entirety of Boston's young core. Not to mention Brogdon, Parker, Maker, Middleton, etc. Actually, since Khris is only 25 and if your cut off is 26 and under, I'd bump Milwaukee into the top tier with Philly and Minny.

I have watched zero Lakers games this year, the names they have seem to be more compelling than the production those names have actually put forth.

If we're talking about what a team actually has as opposed to potential, what does Philly actually have? Saric is literally they're only known quantity no? Nobody knows if Embiid can stay healthy, nobody knows how good Simmons will be, and nobody knows if they'll get the Lakers pick.

mrblisterdundee
04-11-2017, 01:12 PM
There are some young cores with players who have already arrived, such as Utah and Milwaukee. Then there are those with tantalizing promise but not much force of will in the present. I'll try to strike a balance between the two. Also, I'm not counting teams' future draft picks, as this is a thread about the best cores in 2016-17 — as far as I can tell, Ball, Fultz and Jackson aren't in the NBA yet.

1. Minnesota: They were victims of too much hype, but no other team has a young core with as much promise.
2. Milwaukee: Giannis is in a three-way competition with Towns and Embiid for the best young core member in this thread.
3. Philadelphia: If healthy, this team theoretically has as talented a young core as anyone — if healthy.
4. Utah: Hayward's a bit far into his mid-20s to be considered part of a "young core," but Gobert's already a beastly rim protector, and we haven't seen nearly the best of Hood and Exum. Even Lyles could still grow into a nice stretch-four.
5a. Los Angeles: Russell's looking good as a two-guard. Clarkson's good but looks more like sixth man material. Randle looks like a solid role player at least, but I'm not ready to say he'll be a star and not just another Taj.
5b. Sacramento: One of the most exciting parts of the Cousins trade was finally getting to see Cauley-Stein play. He has DPOY potential, and more offense than many thought he would. Hield and Skal are looking really solid with expanded roles. Papagiannis could be good, albeit on another team.

P.S.: If we were including picks, I would put Boston in front of Los Angeles and Sacramento. The Celtics aren't good enough to contend against prime LeBron, but guys like Brown and Smart, when added to their insane stock of picks, make this team one of the most durable contenders over the next decade.

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 01:16 PM
My apologies to the main forum...

usually we can contain a toxic outbreak like this to the Lakers forum ... unfortunately we need to review our protocols to determine the proximate cause of our failure in this instance...

again... my deepest sympathies for an distress this thread has caused.

Mam. please stay on the porch when the big dogs are barking.
Mods please escort this sweet lady back to the safety of the Lakers Forum before she gets her skirt and heels dirty. Somebody call her a PSD Uber please...

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 01:29 PM
Again,
Everyone is harping on 1 or 2 stars a single team may have.
Let me remind you all that Golden State didn't draft any big stars, they became big stars...and they were deep...
All of these other teams are top heavy...Minny being #1...They have no depth what's so ever...
I like Phoenix...Booker, Chriss leading the group...But again depth is an issue...
Last year Minny was the sexy pick...
Now it's Philly...
It's everybody but the Lakers...
The Elephant in the room can not be ignored...lol

If all goes well this June, The Lakers will have 12 players they can rotate every night consistantly

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 01:32 PM
Well Wolves definitely didn't impress this year but neither did the teams we talked about last year really (76ers, LAkers). .

That's all you have to say about the "BEST YOUNG CORE IN THE NBA?"
I need to repull some posts...

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 01:34 PM
oh no not this homer OP again. ran his mouth all off-season and was wrong about everything single thing annoyed us with. Its even worse i have to read that big bold purple font on top of it

Remind us all...Who was your pick for the NBA's Best Young Core last summer? Let's compare notes...#purplepeopleeater

TheDish87
04-11-2017, 01:38 PM
If we're talking about what a team actually has as opposed to potential, what does Philly actually have? Saric is literally they're only known quantity no? Nobody knows if Embiid can stay healthy, nobody knows how good Simmons will be, and nobody knows if they'll get the Lakers pick.

we know we will get the Lakers pick, its unprotected next year if they keep it so thats a non issue plus we have our own. We all know Simmons will be good its just a matter of how good or great. Embiid didnt re-injure his problem foot so he should be good when next season starts. Luwawu was very good at the end of the season when he got more mins too, had a big month in April for the short amount of games. Covington is 26 so he prob donest count in terms of this discussion but he was so much better than his numbers once he got going and established himself as a top 5 wing defender in the league.

TheDish87
04-11-2017, 01:40 PM
Mam. please stay on the porch when the big dogs are barking.
Mods please escort this sweet lady back to the safety of the Lakers Forum before she gets her skirt and heels dirty. Somebody call her a PSD Uber please...

sexist much?

tp13baby
04-11-2017, 01:49 PM
Again,
Everyone is harping on 1 or 2 stars a single team may have.
Let me remind you all that Golden State didn't draft any big stars, they became big stars...and they were deep...
All of these other teams are top heavy...Minny being #1...They have no depth what's so ever...
I like Phoenix...Booker, Chriss leading the group...But again depth is an issue...
Last year Minny was the sexy pick...
Now it's Philly...
It's everybody but the Lakers...
The Elephant in the room can not be ignored...lol

If all goes well this June, The Lakers will have 12 players they can rotate every night consistantly




Your young core led you to one of the worst records in the NBA. If this league has showed anyone anything it's about quality not quantity.

mngopher35
04-11-2017, 01:51 PM
Well Wolves definitely didn't impress this year but neither did the teams we talked about last year really (76ers, LAkers). .

That's all you have to say about the "BEST YOUNG CORE IN THE NBA?"
I need to repull some posts...

I was all for putting money down before the season, looks like you made the right call backing off.

WaDe03
04-11-2017, 01:52 PM
I would say the Bulls easily.

Players with their ceilings listed:

Payne: peak Curry
Valentine: peak Brandon Roy
Grant: peak Isiah Thomas with a better 3
Portis:peak KG with a 3
Felicio:peak Shaq with a mid range game

That's better than any young group in the league.

ManRam
04-11-2017, 02:19 PM
If we're talking about what a team actually has as opposed to potential, what does Philly actually have? Saric is literally they're only known quantity no? Nobody knows if Embiid can stay healthy, nobody knows how good Simmons will be, and nobody knows if they'll get the Lakers pick.

They actually have Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons.

When I said "currently have" I only meant the players that those teams have, as opposed to projecting potential impact from future draft picks. I didn't mean anything else. I don't know the point of this discussion is if it isn't about potential.

Also, I think that I think a bit younger when I think "young core" than you. If we're including 7 year vets like Bradley or nearly-27 year-olds like Crowder, that opens things up a lot. John Wall is 26 and was drafted in 2010. I don't think of him as "young". He's firmly in his prime. We're not including Washington in this discussion for a reason...and some of those reasons, not all, apply to Boston. If I'm setting an arbitrary age, it's like 24 or 25. 26 and certainly 27 are prime years for NBA players.

Anyways, if I'm starting a team from scratch I'm absolutely taking the risk on Simmons, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, etc. over Brown, Smart, Rozier, Olynyk, etc. Even if you throw in Avery and Jae. If either Embiid or Simmons pan out it's a wrap on that alone.


After further thought:

1. Minnesota - KAT will be a top-5 player for a stretch of time, and the other parts they have still have some legit upside. Lots of volume here too.
2. Milwaukee - Giannis has #1 player in the NBA potential. Middleton, when healthy, is a stud two-way player. Brogdon has looked great. Parker is productive when healthy.
3. Philly - Embiid and Simmons' potential is too tantilizing.
4. Denver - Jokic will be a star. Murray is a baby so there's no reason to panick. Mudiay I don't like, but who knows. Some other decent pieces.
5. LAL - I personally don't see the super star on the roster like the other 4 teams have, but there's a chance one of their last 3 top picks maybe becomes that.

Boston, Utah, Phoenix are some honorable mentions. It's amazing that a team can have Anthony Davis and not crack an honorable mention. It saddens me that I can't include the Magic :(

mngopher35
04-11-2017, 02:23 PM
That's all you have to say about the "BEST YOUNG CORE IN THE NBA?"
I need to repull some posts...

Looking back actually the first and one of the bigger argument in there with you and a couple others is Clarkson and his development (in part compared to Lavine). Looks fine for me there, he was not something special and there was reason to question how he would develop, I stand by that since he dropped off again statistically this year.

Another was that Towns is actually a stud. I feel comfortable with that too, he is. If you want to keep arguing against his talent feel free.

There are more individual examples like this so you can just go back and see for yourself when you quote, alot of the thread was me trying to get you to actually respond instead of just being your crazy self with no actual points/info/responses.

I overrated the Wolves some throughout I am sure (stopped looking through a little over halfway it was long threaD), in part because I am a homer and in part because it was responding to another extreme (your posts). Overall though I think most of what I posted had some good logic/thought to go with it I just overrated what we would be able to do this season probably etc. I have explained why in other threads but simply put I overestimated how quick this team could learn/develop and their talents a little as well. It won't be the last time I make that mistake with an MN team lol but it was nothing close to your homerism throughout that thread.

mngopher35
04-11-2017, 02:32 PM
After further thought:

1. Minnesota - KAT will be a top-5 player for a stretch of time, and the other parts they have still have some legit upside. Lots of volume here too.
2. Milwaukee - Giannis has #1 player in the NBA potential. Middleton, when healthy, is a stud two-way player. Brogdon has looked great. Parker is productive when healthy.
3. Philly - Embiid and Simmons' potential is too tantilizing.
4. Denver - Jokic will be a star. Murray is a baby so there's no reason to panick. Mudiay I don't like, but who knows. Some other decent pieces.
5. LAL - I personally don't see the super star on the roster like the other 4 teams have, but there's a chance one of their last 3 top picks maybe becomes that.

Boston, Utah, Phoenix are some honorable mentions. It's amazing that a team can have Anthony Davis and not crack an honorable mention. It saddens me that I can't include the Magic :(

If we are talking say 25 and younger I like a list like this probably.

Milwaukee has an argument for the top spot with Middleton included on Gianniss imo and Philly like I said is a major wildcard with #1 potential given their future assets. I could probably accept any of the 3 there, assuming the reasoning for 76ers was projection/health based (ranking Embiid here is tough). I like Jokic over the Lakers young talent atm and while they have a little depth Denver has some guys too like Murray/Mudiay although not high on the latter.

DanG
04-11-2017, 02:41 PM
Wiggins and KAT are impressive, hopefully they can get a PG from this draft and build from there.

Sixers if healthy are the best young team in the NBA. But obviously health is a huge question mark for them.

I think the Lakers have done a better job drafting late.

Ingram
Russell
Zubac
Nance
Randle
Clarkson

all of them are going to be good players, Ingram and Zubac I would say are going to be really really good players.

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 02:45 PM
Well I'm surprised the HC wasn't the Minny's problem this year...
Sooner or later...everyone will realized that outside of KAT, everybody else is as sharp as a basketball...
Low BBall IQ...
Wiggins drops 30..2 rebs..1 assist...nothing else...Ditto Lavine...

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 02:49 PM
sexist much?

I have respect for women but this one is very bitter and angry with me...You would swear I dated her at one time...and broke her heart...she follows me everywhere I go..Kind of scary....#psycoex

mngopher35
04-11-2017, 03:00 PM
Well I'm surprised the HC wasn't the Minny's problem this year...
Sooner or later...everyone will realized that outside of KAT, everybody else is as sharp as a basketball...
Low BBall IQ...
Wiggins drops 30..2 rebs..1 assist...nothing else...Ditto Lavine...


Lol don't worry it still was an issue. Feel free to look at the Twolves forum and find us bashing him earlier in the year for his use of Rubio, Wiggins, and strategy late in games. We absolutely sucked in close games to start the year because he kept feeding Wiggins and letting him go 1v1 in crunch time.

Wiggins is not that guy and we all knew it lol. Great overall scorer but he isn't gonna create on the regular down the stretch for the teams offense, last shot go for it though.

Anyways though it was a mix of a lot of things including your favorite, "low IQ". It definitely has taken our young guys time on the defensive end, hopefully they continue growth there next year. Between time to learn the system, coaching issues I mentioned, and a little overrating on my end we ended up being out of the playoffs earlier than expected. I think I said in that thread we would make it in the next 2 years (not necessarily this one) though and it was you trying to push that stance further. I did think getting Thibs would speed it up a little on the defensive end though and that seems to have flopped.

At least we dropped Towns from the low IQ discussion. I think you can definitely question Wiggins/Lavine outside of their scoring, good thing they excel at a very important area and are both young/athletic though (hopefully Lavine comes back 100% too). Nothing like Clarkson of course though...

TheDish87
04-11-2017, 03:03 PM
I would say the Bulls easily.

Players with their ceilings listed:

Payne: peak Curry
Valentine: peak Brandon Roy
Grant: peak Isiah Thomas with a better 3
Portis:peak KG with a 3
Felicio:peak Shaq with a mid range game

That's better than any young group in the league.

i have no idea if this is serious

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 03:13 PM
Hey Wolvesfan,
What happened to that stud Kris Dunn this season???? Boy oh boy...and Brandon Ingram had a nad rookie season???... come on guys...seriously...:laugh2:

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 03:13 PM
Hey Wolvesfan,
What happened to that stud Kris Dunn this season???? Boy oh boy...and Brandon Ingram had a bad rookie season???... come on guys...seriously...:laugh2:

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 03:26 PM
Lol don't worry it still was an issue. Feel free to look at the Twolves forum and find us bashing him earlier in the year for his use of Rubio, Wiggins, and strategy late in games. We absolutely sucked in close games to start the year because he kept feeding Wiggins and letting him go 1v1 in crunch time.

Wiggins is not that guy and we all knew it lol. Great overall scorer but he isn't gonna create on the regular down the stretch for the teams offense, last shot go for it though.

Anyways though it was a mix of a lot of things including your favorite, "low IQ". It definitely has taken our young guys time on the defensive end, hopefully they continue growth there next year. Between time to learn the system, coaching issues I mentioned, and a little overrating on my end we ended up being out of the playoffs earlier than expected. I think I said in that thread we would make it in the next 2 years (not necessarily this one) though and it was you trying to push that stance further. I did think getting Thibs would speed it up a little on the defensive end though and that seems to have flopped.

At least we dropped Towns from the low IQ discussion. I think you can definitely question Wiggins/Lavine outside of their scoring, good thing they excel at a very important area and are both young/athletic though (hopefully Lavine comes back 100% too). Nothing like Clarkson of course though...

My biggest regret is that we didn't start all of our young guys out of the gate...
Deng and Mosgov were bad moves...hindsight is always 20/20...They'll get moved...Nick Young and Lou Williams were great or at least very good this season... But I look at how we have played lately and wonder if this would have been our midpoint in the season...Everyone is engaged and locked in...
Ingram and Zubac are like 19, 20 years old...putting up numbers...You can't deny the talent that is there...
It's only a matter of time...
Randle has already carved out a reputation in this league...he's a man-child/bruiser...once that jay starts dropping consistently...look out...He's has all the tools to be another Draymond Green with better natural skills...
Tyler Ennis and David Nwaba look like unexpected gifts...We'll see what happens moving forward...
Thomas Robinson may have finally found a home...the dude puts up incredible numbers in limited minutes...
T Black may be the odd man out...
Nance jr is shooting 3s and midrange jays now...He just needs to stay healthy...
and when engaged Russell and Clarkson can do significant damage vs any backcourt in the NBA...
Time shall answer all questions...

Rivera
04-11-2017, 03:32 PM
yea but the Kings have Skal Labissiere

TheDish87
04-11-2017, 03:58 PM
Lakers are going to be bottom 5 again next year.

valade16
04-11-2017, 04:38 PM
I don't know that we can say Deng and Mozgov were bad moves in hindsight, everybody except Lakers fans was saying those were bad moves when they happened.

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 04:43 PM
I don't know that we can say Deng and Mozgov were bad moves in hindsight, everybody except Lakers fans was saying those were bad moves when they happened.

Initially the thought process was Deng could mentor Ingram and Mosgov could mentor Zubac...
But with MWP, Lou Williams and a young coaching staff...T Rob as a young vet...Magic on board now...Kareem and Kobe hanging around...and both although great locker room guys, are not playing great defense as expected...

tp13baby
04-11-2017, 05:18 PM
My biggest regret is that we didn't start all of our young guys out of the gate...
Deng and Mosgov were bad moves...hindsight is always 20/20...They'll get moved...Nick Young and Lou Williams were great or at least very good this season... But I look at how we have played lately and wonder if this would have been our midpoint in the season...Everyone is engaged and locked in...
Ingram and Zubac are like 19, 20 years old...putting up numbers...You can't deny the talent that is there...
It's only a matter of time...
Randle has already carved out a reputation in this league...he's a man-child/bruiser...once that jay starts dropping consistently...look out...He's has all the tools to be another Draymond Green with better natural skills...
Tyler Ennis and David Nwaba look like unexpected gifts...We'll see what happens moving forward...
Thomas Robinson may have finally found a home...the dude puts up incredible numbers in limited minutes...
T Black may be the odd man out...
Nance jr is shooting 3s and midrange jays now...He just needs to stay healthy...
and when engaged Russell and Clarkson can do significant damage vs any backcourt in the NBA...
Time shall answer all questions...

Ingram is putting up absolutely horrendous numbers this season.

Brandon Ingram PER 36
11.6 points/2.5assists/5 rebounds/.7steals

Advanced
PER 8.5/ TS%.479/-.08OWS/.05DWS/-3.9BPM/-1.1VORP

Mudiay put up similar numbers his first year too at a position that is loaded. Ingram did not ball out actually he was ****ing garbage considering he put up about the same numbers as Mudiay did last year. I look at Ingram the same I do Mudiay, physically they have the size and ability, but they are not ready for the league for another 3 years.

Ennis and TRob will always be back of the bench players. Nance will be a good bench piece in this league.

Russell & Clarkson vs Harris & Murray
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Gary+Harris&player_id1_select=Gary+Harris&y1=2017&player_id1=harriga01&player_id2_hint=Jordan+Clarkson&player_id2_select=Jordan+Clarkson&y2=2017&player_id2=clarkjo01&player_id3_hint=D%27Angelo+Russell&player_id3_select=D%27Angelo+Russell&y3=2017&player_id3=russeda01&player_id4_hint=Jamal+Murray&player_id4_select=Jamal+Murray&y4=2017&player_id4=murraja01

basically Harris is the most superior out of the 4 when you look at shooting percentages, efficiency, pretty much anything that mitigates usage rates.

Lakers don't have the number 1 young core.

Is it sad I think Zubac is your second best prospect after Russell? Clarkson is severely overrated. Ingram will grow but he did not ball out.

WaDe03
04-11-2017, 06:03 PM
It really doesn't matter for the Lakers because Magic is about to make major moves.

mngopher35
04-11-2017, 06:17 PM
My biggest regret is that we didn't start all of our young guys out of the gate...
Deng and Mosgov were bad moves...hindsight is always 20/20...They'll get moved...Nick Young and Lou Williams were great or at least very good this season... But I look at how we have played lately and wonder if this would have been our midpoint in the season...Everyone is engaged and locked in...
Ingram and Zubac are like 19, 20 years old...putting up numbers...You can't deny the talent that is there...
It's only a matter of time...
Randle has already carved out a reputation in this league...he's a man-child/bruiser...once that jay starts dropping consistently...look out...He's has all the tools to be another Draymond Green with better natural skills...
Tyler Ennis and David Nwaba look like unexpected gifts...We'll see what happens moving forward...
Thomas Robinson may have finally found a home...the dude puts up incredible numbers in limited minutes...
T Black may be the odd man out...
Nance jr is shooting 3s and midrange jays now...He just needs to stay healthy...
and when engaged Russell and Clarkson can do significant damage vs any backcourt in the NBA...
Time shall answer all questions...

Your young guys still have a lot of time though and haven't shown a ton. Randle is probably the best so far? Russell and Ingram have been kinda dissapointing but we agree they have flashed talent so there is hope/potential. I like Nance as a first big off the bench type of guy (maybe he improves some too). Zubac I am not as familiar with, was up and down when I watched which you expect from a rookie. Might be something there. Clarkson seems like a bench guard to me.

Towns is just such a huge difference between any of them and then Wiggins/Lavine are right there with any of the rest at the very least. Dunn didn't look great but he was no worse than Ingram overall when he got opportunities (flashed really good defense/athletecism but lacks a lot elsewhere). I think Ingram is better but still.

Like you say time will tell and I don't think one year has been long enough for us to really know. Right now Towns is still the key difference for the Wolves when it comes to this conversation.

valade16
04-11-2017, 07:23 PM
Are we sure Minnesota is a better young core than Milwaukee?

Giannis
Parker
Middleton
Brogdon
Maker

vs

Towns
Wiggins
LaVine
Muhammed
Dunn

Does Towns have that much more upside than Giannis? Because it seems to me Parker and Wiggins are near equal and I'd much rather have Middleton and Bogdon than LaVine and Muhammed. Unless people expect Dunn to bust out I don't see how Minnesota is much better (if at all).

mngopher35
04-11-2017, 07:35 PM
Are we sure Minnesota is a better young core than Milwaukee?

Giannis
Parker
Middleton
Brogdon
Maker

vs

Towns
Wiggins
LaVine
Muhammed
Dunn

Does Towns have that much more upside than Giannis? Because it seems to me Parker and Wiggins are near equal and I'd much rather have Middleton and Bogdon than LaVine and Muhammed. Unless people expect Dunn to bust out I don't see how Minnesota is much better (if at all).

I wouldn't argue against it at all. Middleton/Parker over Wiggins/Lavine isnt that hard to argue atm and Thon/Bogdon to Shabazz/Dunn is whatever really. We will have a better pick this year to add something but overall I think you can make some arguments both ways and either team is fine.

You can probably guess which one I will choose though lol.

FlashBolt
04-11-2017, 08:16 PM
Bucks are going to be so filthy.... IDK what they will do about Maker but they are scary looking.

Raps18-19 Champ
04-11-2017, 08:20 PM
Lol you want to talk about the Wolves not being the best young core because they have low BBIQ players but the Lakers young core is pure stupid BBIQ.

Rocco007
04-11-2017, 09:02 PM
Ingram is putting up absolutely horrendous numbers this season.

Brandon Ingram PER 36
11.6 points/2.5assists/5 rebounds/.7steals

Advanced
PER 8.5/ TS%.479/-.08OWS/.05DWS/-3.9BPM/-1.1VORP

Mudiay put up similar numbers his first year too at a position that is loaded. Ingram did not ball out actually he was ****ing garbage considering he put up about the same numbers as Mudiay did last year. I look at Ingram the same I do Mudiay, physically they have the size and ability, but they are not ready for the league for another 3 years.

Ennis and TRob will always be back of the bench players. Nance will be a good bench piece in this league.

Russell & Clarkson vs Harris & Murray
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Gary+Harris&player_id1_select=Gary+Harris&y1=2017&player_id1=harriga01&player_id2_hint=Jordan+Clarkson&player_id2_select=Jordan+Clarkson&y2=2017&player_id2=clarkjo01&player_id3_hint=D%27Angelo+Russell&player_id3_select=D%27Angelo+Russell&y3=2017&player_id3=russeda01&player_id4_hint=Jamal+Murray&player_id4_select=Jamal+Murray&y4=2017&player_id4=murraja01

basically Harris is the most superior out of the 4 when you look at shooting percentages, efficiency, pretty much anything that mitigates usage rates.

Lakers don't have the number 1 young core.

Is it sad I think Zubac is your second best prospect after Russell? Clarkson is severely overrated. Ingram will grow but he did not ball out.

After the Allstar game B.I put up....
14 pts 4 rbs 3 ast 47% FG 64% FT 28% 3FG

Comparing B.I. to Mudiay who could never shoot...
Who has physically filled out...B.I. weighs 190 soaking wet?
Didn't Mudiay get benched this season?...
So where do you have Julius Randle?...
Harris better than Clarkson and Russell?...
I'm surprised Denver fans can talk right now...
I was thinking that Dagger from Westbrook was still in your spleen...:smoking:

Jusuf Nurkic's emergence in Portland cost the Nuggets a playoff appearance and a draft pick
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The former Nuggets center shined after a February trade and helped deliver his former team a double blow.Nurkic punctuated his emergence with a 28-point, 20-rebound, eight-assist, six-block performance in a March win over the 76ers. Nobody has posted more than 28-20-5-5 since Kevin Garnett 14 years ago.

warfelg
04-11-2017, 09:11 PM
Keep not talking about Super Dario Homie SiSi Saric.

Go on. Do it.

Meanwhile he's ******** on every rookie out there.

Since the trade deadline he's averaged:
17 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, .6 block per game.

STRIKERC
04-11-2017, 09:58 PM
Well I'm surprised the HC wasn't the Minny's problem this year...
Sooner or later...everyone will realized that outside of KAT, everybody else is as sharp as a basketball...
Low BBall IQ...
Wiggins drops 30..2 rebs..1 assist...nothing else...Ditto Lavine...


Don't leave KAT off the hook.
There are two types of star player. The type that has great skillset and puts up individual stats and the type that makes their teammates better by just showing up.
KAT isn't making anybody better.

Rocco007
04-12-2017, 01:21 AM
https://youtu.be/TsUykneQMb4
😂😂😂😂😂😂

Twolves88
04-12-2017, 01:37 AM
Honestly for a timberwolves fan perspective this season hasn't been great.

1. Wiggins really didn't progress as much as we all had hoped. He's a volume scorer that needs to develop into a better overall player. His IQ seems low.

2. Lavines injury. He could of had a huge impact on this season but his injury might have set back some of his development.

3. Kris Dunn, while he was great on defense his offense was sub par at best. I really really wanted Murray and was screaming at the TV when we picked Dunn. However, maybe he can develop over time. And lets not act like Rubio was anything less then stellar during the second part of the season.

We did have some bright spots with bjenica really stepping up his game and playing great. Bazz has shown to be a nice volume scoring 6th man off the bench.

I'd honestly give up a 1st + dunn or something for WCS from the kings. I might even give them lavine or wiggins for WCS straight up.

STRIKERC
04-12-2017, 02:43 AM
Honestly for a timberwolves fan perspective this season hasn't been great.

1. Wiggins really didn't progress as much as we all had hoped. He's a volume scorer that needs to develop into a better overall player. His IQ seems low.

2. Lavines injury. He could of had a huge impact on this season but his injury might have set back some of his development.

3. Kris Dunn, while he was great on defense his offense was sub par at best. I really really wanted Murray and was screaming at the TV when we picked Dunn. However, maybe he can develop over time. And lets not act like Rubio was anything less then stellar during the second part of the season.

We did have some bright spots with bjenica really stepping up his game and playing great. Bazz has shown to be a nice volume scoring 6th man off the bench.

I'd honestly give up a 1st + dunn or something for WCS from the kings. I might even give them lavine or wiggins for WCS straight up.

I think you guys picked the wrong coach.
The league is trending towards young coaches with emphasis on player development. You guys went the complete opposite bringing in a coach who isn't known to be good at developing young talent.

Look at the Lakers, Sixers, Suns and Celtics. Those guys play with a level of excitement that you just don't see with your guys. That IMO is a problem. Thibs is beating the basketball life outta you young players.

Lakers + Giants
04-12-2017, 02:46 AM
While I think Ingram is a stud, I think Russell and Randle will be high end role players at best. I don't think they'll ever be allstars, Brandon Ingram is the only one that has a shot at that and maybe more IMO. Watch out for Zu Alcindor tho

Twolves88
04-12-2017, 03:22 AM
I think you guys picked the wrong coach.
The league is trending towards young coaches with emphasis on player development. You guys went the complete opposite bringing in a coach who isn't known to be good at developing young talent.

Look at the Lakers, Sixers, Suns and Celtics. Those guys play with a level of excitement that you just don't see with your guys. That IMO is a problem. Thibs is beating the basketball life outta you young players.


He hasn't been proven or really disproven from developing players though. No matter how many 3 pointers a team jacks up the game still comes down to defense.

Lakers head coach- hired out of hype after the large amount of talent he had to "manage" for a part of a season with gsw

Celtics- they just happened to get the right coach. Can't really disagree with stevens being a great coach. coaches like him are not the norm though. It's not really a assessment though because stevens has had 3 years to shape his roster.

Suns- Watson is meh. I don't really value him over thibs. Minus booker who has really developed on that team?

Sixers- I honestly know nothing about

If you were to look at the options of what we had a case could be made for a more team friendly coach but I'm not sure that equates to success.

Joerger- pretty much on par if not less then thibs as a coach
DAntoni- not sure his offensive firepower gets him any further then it has in seasons past. I think he hit a perfect storm with that roster as well.
Brooks- Nice coach but can he get a team over the hump? He came into a situation with a semi established team not a rebuild.

Really we went from Mitchell to Thibs who should be a upgrade over time. It also takes time to develop both players and the type of suffocating defense thibs demands. Overall I think we had 10 or so games in a row we won by more then 5 points. Advanced stats do show us to be a better team then our record indicates and we where without both bjenca and lavine for some time.

Just gota give thibs some time

Twolves88
04-12-2017, 03:24 AM
Also our bench was pathetic.... that alone with some upgrades would result in more wins.

tp13baby
04-12-2017, 10:18 AM
After the Allstar game B.I put up....
14 pts 4 rbs 3 ast 47% FG 64% FT 28% 3FG

Comparing B.I. to Mudiay who could never shoot...
Who has physically filled out...B.I. weighs 190 soaking wet?
Didn't Mudiay get benched this season?...
So where do you have Julius Randle?...
Harris better than Clarkson and Russell?...
I'm surprised Denver fans can talk right now...
I was thinking that Dagger from Westbrook was still in your spleen...:smoking:

Jusuf Nurkic's emergence in Portland cost the Nuggets a playoff appearance and a draft pick
27
The former Nuggets center shined after a February trade and helped deliver his former team a double blow.Nurkic punctuated his emergence with a 28-point, 20-rebound, eight-assist, six-block performance in a March win over the 76ers. Nobody has posted more than 28-20-5-5 since Kevin Garnett 14 years ago.

Mudiay actually was injured, Jameer was good in the second half and Murray started going off too.

Mudiay shot better from deep than Ingram in both his 2 seasons. Better from the line also.

Who what of thought you couldn't answer or talk about Harris. Anything advanced shows how much better Harris is, and if we used Harris like Russell or Clarkson his averages would absolutely be better than them both.

Nurkic is a stud, but funny thing is his PER 36 hasn't changed from Denver to Portland.

Your young core is extremely talented but not number 1, the improvement was minimal outside of Zubac.

Our young core made a huge jump this season. So I'm not too mad watching the Westbrook dagger.

Rocco007
04-12-2017, 01:23 PM
Mudiay actually was injured, Jameer was good in the second half and Murray started going off too.

Mudiay shot better from deep than Ingram in both his 2 seasons. Better from the line also.

Who what of thought you couldn't answer or talk about Harris. Anything advanced shows how much better Harris is, and if we used Harris like Russell or Clarkson his averages would absolutely be better than them both.

Nurkic is a stud, but funny thing is his PER 36 hasn't changed from Denver to Portland.

Your young core is extremely talented but not number 1, the improvement was minimal outside of Zubac.

Our young core made a huge jump this season. So I'm not too mad watching the Westbrook dagger.


You do know that Ingram is a Rookie right? So if you want to compare Mudiay's 1st 2 seasons you will have to wait until next year...
Byron Scott said Mudiay was not a good decision maker and that's why they passed on him after workouts...
And you forgot to mention he was on the trading block and no one offered jack...
Scott was wrong about alot of things but right about that..Harris is a good shooter but he is not a better player than Clarkson or Russell bro...
sweet heavens...
For some reason you keep skipping Julius Randle... :laugh2:

TheDish87
04-12-2017, 01:25 PM
Russ stinks Harris is better. Lakers dont even have a top 3 young core this is all comical.

Rocco007
04-12-2017, 05:05 PM
Russ stinks Harris is better. Lakers dont even have a top 3 young core this is all comical.

Philly is like an expansion franchise...wtf wants to play there???
You might as well be in Alaska dude...or until hell freezes over...
Noel bad knees, Okafor turned into a drunk, Embiid bad knees and feet, Simmons broken foot...Saric car accident or ate bad coochie...what happened to his grill?...Just a collection of MASH units...:laugh2:
NBA GODS don't like Career Tank Machines...
#snakebitenbystatan
:smoking:

warfelg
04-12-2017, 05:48 PM
Saric car accident. WTF is wrong with you? He hasn't been in one and is the best rookie.

Noel isn't on the team anymore.

Okafor turned into a drunk? So one bad night of drinking makes you a drunk now?

Go home and sleep for a long time.

nycericanguy
04-12-2017, 06:03 PM
yea this should be guys on rookie deals only... if you start including 6-7 year vets that are 26-27 then it really gets out of hand.

Rocco007
04-12-2017, 10:56 PM
Saric car accident. WTF is wrong with you? He hasn't been in one and is the best rookie.

Noel isn't on the team anymore.

Okafor turned into a drunk? So one bad night of drinking makes you a drunk now?

Go home and sleep for a long time.

My baad...Saric has a cleft lip...:puke:
I think Okafor was busted underage drinking a few times and was reprimanded by the Franchise...I guess you don't know about your own team huh???...If I were you I wouldn't care either...:laugh2:

TheDish87
04-13-2017, 02:36 PM
Philly is like an expansion franchise...wtf wants to play there???
You might as well be in Alaska dude...or until hell freezes over...
Noel bad knees, Okafor turned into a drunk, Embiid bad knees and feet, Simmons broken foot...Saric car accident or ate bad coochie...what happened to his grill?...Just a collection of MASH units...:laugh2:
NBA GODS don't like Career Tank Machines...
#snakebitenbystatan
:smoking:

lol well Noel isnt on the team, i guess no players on the Lakers drink, they just secretly record teammates private convo, Embiids foot and knee are fine and i wouldnt take youre roster combined for him, i have no ****ing clue what you mean with Saric aka the ROY, and Simmons has been fully cleared this week. Whens the last time LA signed a major FA hahahaaaaaahahahahahah

this 'tank machine' has only lost 8 more games than the Lakers over the last 3 years lololololololololololololol

Rocco007
04-13-2017, 06:18 PM
Whens the last time LA signed a major FA hahahaaaaaahahahahahah


Says the Philly fan... WTF!!! I don't think your Franchise ever has dude...
:laugh:

Rocco007
04-13-2017, 06:20 PM
Somebody name me the last major free agent The Philadelphia 76ers have signed that they did not draft???
Dr J?????

:speechless:

Rocco007
04-13-2017, 06:22 PM
A free agent star player saying "I want to go to Philly baby!!!:laugh2:

More-Than-Most
04-13-2017, 06:36 PM
A free agent star player saying "I want to go to Philly baby!!!:laugh2:

you do realize the same can be said for the lakers right? who have they signed? They traded for Nash... They traded for Dwight WHO REFUSED TO SIGN.... They traded for Gasol.... The last star free agent we signed was Brand who screwed the clippers over at the time to come here before he busted... Who have the lakers signed that was a big name like Brand over that time? I will wait.

You spew a ton of ******** that your own fanbase stays away from you... I like Russ/Ingram but its no secret that your own fanbase have openly said they would trade rosters without a second thought with us... Embiid/Simmons/Saric blow your roster out of the water... Now add in our picks/TLC/Covington/Holmes... No offense its not close.

heat3X
04-13-2017, 09:11 PM
Lakers are nowhere near the Sixers in terms of best young core, not to mention they have a higher than not chance of losing their pick this year and thus in 2019 as well.

It's between sixers and wolves and it all depends on whether you like the sixers potential picks this year. If they have the lakers pick and can get 2 top 5 picks this year that would be insane.

Imagine this team if they win the lottery and also get the lakers pick

Fultz
Monk
Simmons
Saric
Embiid

That is incredible.

Rocco007
04-13-2017, 09:56 PM
you do realize the same can be said for the lakers right? who have they signed? They traded for Nash... They traded for Dwight WHO REFUSED TO SIGN.... They traded for Gasol.... The last star free agent we signed was Brand who screwed the clippers over at the time to come here before he busted... Who have the lakers signed that was a big name like Brand over that time? I will wait.

You spew a ton of ******** that your own fanbase stays away from you... I like Russ/Ingram but its no secret that your own fanbase have openly said they would trade rosters without a second thought with us... Embiid/Simmons/Saric blow your roster out of the water... Now add in our picks/TLC/Covington/Holmes... No offense its not close.

Your Philly buddy brought this up!
Dwight Coward is a tall chick thst knows how to dunk...he wasn't about that Laker life and pressure. His skirt got pulled in Houston. He's a lost soul who went back home to Atl.
We did sign Ron Artest aka MWP who was still ball'in in between CHips...
So Elton Brand was your last star FA...Nuff said...
How about the last star you traded for?...
Lakers did send you Bum knee Bynum for a haul...lol...
Nuff said...
Dude when was the last time a star player said ok to meeting with your front office???....
Please stop, you're drowning in your own ineptitude right now!!!
The great thing is...
This year it was Minny fan riding the hypetrain..
Now it's Philly fan hopping on for a ride...
You are 1 knee/foot tweak away from another season lost...you have no depth.
Stay confident my friend...

heat3X
04-13-2017, 10:55 PM
Your Philly buddy brought this up!
Dwight Coward is a tall chick thst knows how to dunk...he wasn't about that Laker life and pressure. His skirt got pulled in Houston. He's a lost soul who went back home to Atl.
We did sign Ron Artest aka MWP who was still ball'in in between CHips...
So Elton Brand was your last star FA...Nuff said...
How about the last star you traded for?...
Lakers did send you Bum knee Bynum for a haul...lol...
Nuff said...
Dude when was the last time a star player said ok to meeting with your front office???....
Please stop, you're drowning in your own ineptitude right now!!!
The great thing is...
This year it was Minny fan riding the hypetrain..
Now it's Philly fan hopping on for a ride...
You are 1 knee/foot tweak away from another season lost...you have no depth.
Stay confident my friend...


The lakers future isnt really all that close to either of those 2 teams, from a perspective of a person who isnt a fan of any of those teams. I dont see 1 superstar on the Lakers, and the potential of losing your pick this year and 2019 could cripple that franchise. Russell doesnt strike me as anything more than a solid starter, Randle has limited upside but is just a really nice starting PF but nothing special, and Ingram can be really good but he is also 19 and is nothing close to a sure fire player at this point in his career.

If you are taking a draft out of the players available on the Sixers, Wolves, and Lakers, youd take Towns, Wiggins, Embiid, Simmons, and maybe Saric before any of those Lakers, and that doesnt include the possibility of the Sixers adding another 2 top picks in a loaded draft.

Rocco007
04-13-2017, 11:54 PM
The lakers future isnt really all that close to either of those 2 teams, from a perspective of a person who isnt a fan of any of those teams. I dont see 1 superstar on the Lakers, and the potential of losing your pick this year and 2019 could cripple that franchise. Russell doesnt strike me as anything more than a solid starter, Randle has limited upside but is just a really nice starting PF but nothing special, and Ingram can be really good but he is also 19 and is nothing close to a sure fire player at this point in his career.

If you are taking a draft out of the players available on the Sixers, Wolves, and Lakers, youd take Towns, Wiggins, Embiid, Simmons, and maybe Saric before any of those Lakers, and that doesnt include the possibility of the Sixers adding another 2 top picks in a loaded draft.

My head started to get woozy after you said Julius Randle has limited upside... WTF!!!
That's just blatant hatred right there...
But let's move passed that..Because Kris Dunn is a stud and Marcus Smart is a great piece but Russell ain't ****...
I'm starting to see a pattern here...fair enough, I don't expect the Lakers to get much love in here...But I do expect some decent evals of talent...
Like I mentioned in the beginning..everybody is building a Big 3 top heavy team like Miami and we're buildling
a balanced roster with depth like Golden state...we shall see what wins out at the end...
I can tell you that if I were a betting man...the odds of Minny or Philly retaining their talent long term as opposed to the Lakers?...ain't real good...
Minny ended their season on a 6 game losing skid...and LA won 5 out of their last 6...
So for all the I prefer this talent over that talent...it ain't producing...
Saric is a 22 year old Rookie that played Pro Euro ball since 2013/2014???...He averaged 12pts and 6 rebs ..30pct from 3 this season...but apparently he's the 2nd coming of Dirk...:laugh2:..I mean wtf???
GS didn't have any SuperStars or Stars out the gate...They became bonafide Stars with hard work and discipline and playing the right way...
We are going to be 12-14 players deep next season...
That's why our bench was #1 in scoring production all year (47 pts per game)...even after Lou Will left...How's that taste?...:smoking:

heat3X
04-14-2017, 12:03 AM
My head started to get woozy after you said Julius Randle has limited upside... WTF!!!
That's just blatant hatred right there...
But let's move passed that..Because Kris Dunn is a stud and Marcus Smart is a great piece but Russell ain't ****...
I'm starting to see a pattern here...fair enough, I don't expect the Lakers to get much love in here...But I do expect some decent evals of talent...
Like I mentioned in the beginning..everybody is building a Big 3 top heavy team like Miami and we're buildling
a balanced roster with depth like Golden state...we shall see what wins out at the end...
I can tell you that if I were a betting man...the odds of Minny or Philly retaining their talent long term as opposed to the Lakers?...ain't real good...
Minny ended their season on a 6 game losing skid...and LA won 5 out of their last 6...
So for all the I prefer this talent over that talent...it ain't producing...
Saric is a 22 year old Rookie that played Pro Euro ball since 2013/2014???...He averaged 12pts and 6 rebs ..30pct from 3 this season...but apparently he's the 2nd coming of Dirk...:laugh2:..I mean wtf???
GS didn't have any SuperStars or Stars out the gate...They became bonafide Stars with hard work and discipline and playing the right way...
We are going to be 12-14 players deep next season...
That's why our bench was #1 in scoring production all year (47 pts per game)...even after Lou Will left...How's that taste?...:smoking:

1) Kevin Durant was a superstar out of the gate. As were Embiid and Towns.
2) Every team is 12-14 players deep, that doesnt make it good depth. You have 2 of the worst contracts in the league in Mozgov and Deng and limited cap space the next 2 seasons.
3) Julius Randle does have limited upside. He can be a really nice starting PF, he is not a potential star no matter how much your homer glasses tell you he is.
4) Congrats on winning 5 out of your last 6 meaningless games. All that did was potentially completely **** up the future of your team.
5) No one said Russell aint ****, there is a difference between not being a superstar and being "****"
6) Golden State won because they had 3 of the top 5 players in the league along with nice depth, they didnt win because they had depth.
7) Your bench led the league in starting because you played the bench more than any other team in the league, not one of your players averaged more than 29 minutes.
8) Your argument of the talent isnt producing doesnt work considering you had the 3rd worst record in the league, worse than both of those teams, and have a very good chance of not having a top pick this year and in 2019.

The problem here seems to be that you cant see past your homer glasses to see that saying the obvious, that Philly and Minny have a much better talent and superstar potential on their team than the Lakers is not ******** on the lakers future. They just dont have 1 guy you know is a superstar where the T'Wolves have 2, Sixers have 1 and maybe 2 in simmons, with the potential for 2 more top 5 picks this year.

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 12:05 AM
Ain't nothing special about a 6'9" Bruising PF who can lead the break, handle and pass the rock like a PG???... Let me guess... You prefer the other PF Aaron Gordon who was picked before Randle....he's a fancy dunker for sure...Great upside right???r
I'm done with this Heat fan...NEXT...

heat3X
04-14-2017, 12:08 AM
Ain't nothing special about a 6'9" Bruising PF who can lead the break, handle and pass the rock like a PG???... Let me guess... You prefer the other PF Aaron Gordon who was picked before Randle....he's a fancy dunker for sure...Great upside right???r
I'm done with this Heat fan...NEXT...

Nope, prefer Randle, that doesnt make Randle a potential superstar. His absolute max is Zach Randolph, and that is stretching it. He will never be higher than a #3 option on a team.

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 12:25 AM
1) Kevin Durant was a superstar out of the gate. As were Embiid and Towns.
2) Every team is 12-14 players deep, that doesnt make it good depth. You have 2 of the worst contracts in the league in Mozgov and Deng and limited cap space the next 2 seasons.
3) Julius Randle does have limited upside. He can be a really nice starting PF, he is not a potential star no matter how much your homer glasses tell you he is.
4) Congrats on winning 5 out of your last 6 meaningless games. All that did was potentially completely **** up the future of your team.
5) No one said Russell aint ****, there is a difference between not being a superstar and being "****"
6) Golden State won because they had 3 of the top 5 players in the league along with nice depth, they didnt win because they had depth.
7) Your bench led the league in starting because you played the bench more than any other team in the league, not one of your players averaged more than 29 minutes.
8) Your argument of the talent isnt producing doesnt work considering you had the 3rd worst record in the league, worse than both of those teams, and have a very good chance of not having a top pick this year and in 2019.

The problem here seems to be that you cant see past your homer glasses to see that saying the obvious, that Philly and Minny have a much better talent and superstar potential on their team than the Lakers is not ******** on the lakers future. They just dont have 1 guy you know is a superstar where the T'Wolves have 2, Sixers have 1 and maybe 2 in simmons, with the potential for 2 more top 5 picks this year.

1.Am I debating with a 15 year old???
KD was not drafted by Golden State??? WTF???
2. You don't know what our Cap looks like apprently. We can sign a Max player this summer if we want..
3. I'm not a homer you're just a hater...
4. Well Minny lost 6 straight meaningless games with all that star power...Philly lost their last 8 with
Super Saric in the house!!! all meaningless...
5. oh yeah...Russell is just going to be a solid starter after 2 NBA seasons... ok
6. SMFH...again I must be debating a kid...GS had no bench or depth..you are right...
7. LA Bench avged 21 mins.(47 pts)
Philly 20 mins(39 pts)
SA 20 mins (39 pts)
Mil 19.6 mins (39 pts)
GS 19 mins (32.8 pts)
Oh yeah, The bench also lead the NBA in EFF.
8. How do we have a very good chance of not keeping our pick this year if as you say "we have the 3rd worst record in the league" and it's top 3 protected? Dude go to sleep...

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 12:28 AM
Nope, prefer Randle, that doesnt make Randle a potential superstar. His absolute max is Zach Randolph, and that is stretching it. He will never be higher than a #3 option on a team.

Gatdamn...I just saw you only have 44 posts...You have just been baptized by Pound for Pound one of the best on PSD...Welcome aboard!!!
:cheers:

heat3X
04-14-2017, 12:37 AM
1.Am I debating with a 15 year old???
KD was not drafted by Golden State??? WTF???
2. You don't know what our Cap looks like apprently. We can sign a Max player this summer if we want..
3. I'm not a homer you're just a hater...
4. Well Minny lost 6 straight meaningless games with all that star power...Philly lost their last 8 with
Super Saric in the house!!! all meaningless...
5. oh yeah...Russell is just going to be a solid starter after 2 NBA seasons... ok
6. SMFH...again I must be debating a kid...GS had no bench or depth..you are right...
7. LA Bench avged 21 mins.(47 pts)
Philly 20 mins(39 pts)
SA 20 mins (39 pts)
Mil 19.6 mins (39 pts)
GS 19 mins (32.8 pts)
Oh yeah, The bench also lead the NBA in EFF.
8. How do we have a very good chance of not keeping our pick this year if as you say "we have the 3rd worst record in the league" and it's top 3 protected? Dude go to sleep...

1) My bad, i read superstar and read it as supersonics.
2)You have 80 million in salaries already for next year, 71 if young opts out and Tarik Black is cut because his deal is not guaranteed. Not to mention there are almost no stars available, and if they are, none are going to the lakers.
3) I have no reason to hate the lakers. I could not give a **** about the lakers. You just cant take the fact that you dont have 1 potential superstar on your roster as of right now, although ingram has great potential.
4) Again, the last 6 games of the regular season are meaningless, and if anything they helped themselves by losing down the stretch because both of those teams still have 2 superstars apiece.
5) Ya, he is. Russell is a nice piece, he is not a potential superstar. Sorry to break it to you. Only lakers fans still think of him as a superstar.
6) I didnt say GS didnt have bench depth, I said they were winning because they had 3 top 15 and maybe top 10 players in the league whereas you dont have 1 anywhere close to that level.
7) After you traded lou will you were 11th in bench scoring and 8th in efficiency. No to mention you can have the best bench in the league, you still have no sure fire superstar like the Sixers and Wolves.
8) Good to see you dont even know how to follow your own team accurately. The team in the 3 spot in the lottery has a 48% chance of getting a top 3 pick and 52% of it falling out of the top 3. If you fall out of the top 3, that absolutely cripples your franchise given that it means you have to give up your first in 2019 also.

heat3X
04-14-2017, 12:40 AM
Again, saying the sixers and wolves are lightyears potential wise ahead of the lakers isnt ******** on the lakers. you have a few nice players, the Wolves and Sixers already have 2 stars/superstars apiece with the potential to add more this offseason, especially the sixers.

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 01:33 AM
https://youtu.be/aIL_IPXDAL8

heat3X
04-14-2017, 08:55 AM
https://youtu.be/aIL_IPXDAL8

great post.

TheDish87
04-14-2017, 08:56 AM
i think we have a new worst poster on the board. i feel bad LAL fans have to read this non sense and those big purple letters all the time. you cant even have an intelligent, thoughtful discussion without being randomly sexist and thats really weird.

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 01:30 PM
i think we have a new worst poster on the board. i feel bad LAL fans have to read this non sense and those big purple letters all the time. you cant even have an intelligent, thoughtful discussion without being randomly sexist and thats really weird.

"Down goes Frazier"...
#purplepeopleeater

TheDish87
04-14-2017, 01:55 PM
you mean down goes your draft pick when you slip to 4 baaahahahahahahaha

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 02:00 PM
1) My bad, i read superstar and read it as supersonics.
2)You have 80 million in salaries already for next year, 71 if young opts out and Tarik Black is cut because his deal is not guaranteed. Not to mention there are almost no stars available, and if they are, none are going to the lakers.
3) I have no reason to hate the lakers. I could not give a **** about the lakers. You just cant take the fact that you dont have 1 potential superstar on your roster as of right now, although ingram has great potential.
4) Again, the last 6 games of the regular season are meaningless, and if anything they helped themselves by losing down the stretch because both of those teams still have 2 superstars apiece.
5) Ya, he is. Russell is a nice piece, he is not a potential superstar. Sorry to break it to you. Only lakers fans still think of him as a superstar.
6) I didnt say GS didnt have bench depth, I said they were winning because they had 3 top 15 and maybe top 10 players in the league whereas you dont have 1 anywhere close to that level.
7) After you traded lou will you were 11th in bench scoring and 8th in efficiency. No to mention you can have the best bench in the league, you still have no sure fire superstar like the Sixers and Wolves.
8) Good to see you dont even know how to follow your own team accurately. The team in the 3 spot in the lottery has a 48% chance of getting a top 3 pick and 52% of it falling out of the top 3. If you fall out of the top 3, that absolutely cripples your franchise given that it means you have to give up your first in 2019 also.

1.Yes your bad...but not the only one...see below for more details.
2. You said that Deng and Mosgov deals killed our cap flexibility...So your bad again? I gues you haven't heard that PG13 wants to come back home? If not via trade this summer, he will sign in 2018.
3. So here are the facts about Hating.
Clarkson and Nance jr just played their 3rd NBA season. Russell and Randle their 2nd NBA season. Randle missed his rookie season via injury. Ingram and Zubac their 1st NBA season...They're both 19 years old dude... I guess the jury is out on all of them?...You know what they will end up being already?...
But Saric a 22 year old Rookie is a Star at 12 pts 6rebs??? Kris Dunn is a stud 2pts 2 assts?? Simmons hasn't played a minute in the NBA but he's a sure fire superstar???...Do you see a pattern here???
4. Who the Hell are the 2 SUPERSTARS on Minny and Philly???
5. Kyrie Irving on Lakers guard D'Angelo Russell: 'He's a great young player'
https://www.axs.com/kyrie-irving-on-lakers-guard-d-angelo-russell-he-s-a-great-young-playe-116348
6. You do understand that Klay thompson was a late 1st round pick...Green was a 2nd round pick...and Curry was a Top ten pick..These guys became stars...they weren't necessarily drafted as such...If you don't think GS started winning because of their team concept and how deep they were...You don't understand basketball...They were not built top heavy like Miami or Boston..."bIG3"
7. Dude, somebody's bench could've gotten hot after trades or just played better late...But our production was steady all year...and we started #1 and ended #1...
8. I don't know how old you are but here's the real math...You can not look at the Lottery based on 100% chances because no one has a 100% chance..even the worst team Nets(boston) only has a 25% chance of keeping that pick and like a 65% chance of staying in the top 3... The way you look at it is from the Lakers view - there are only 2 teams the Nets and Phoe who have a better chance than we do at staying in the top 3...

Thanks for attending class...
#purplepeopleeater

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 02:03 PM
you mean down goes your draft pick when you slip to 4 baaahahahahahahaha

Dude we're not snakebitten like Philly...If anything the Lakers are blessed...Your head will explode if we land the #1 pick!!! :crying:
Good luck!!!

sep11ie
04-14-2017, 02:09 PM
Lakers aren't even top 5 in young core.

76ers, Wolves, Bucks, Suns and Celtics all appear to have a better young nucleus.

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 02:27 PM
Lakers aren't even top 5 in young core.

76ers, Wolves, Bucks, Suns and Celtics all appear to have a better young nucleus.

Shout out to my man Lou Will, Trevor Ariza and Mike no D' antoni...Thanks for T Black, Ennis and the 1st rd pick...
Bob and weave those Westbrook daggers... Good luck vs OKC!!!

heat3X
04-14-2017, 02:51 PM
1.Yes your bad...but not the only one...see below for more details.
2. You said that Deng and Mosgov deals killed our cap flexibility...So your bad again? I gues you haven't heard that PG13 wants to come back home? If not via trade this summer, he will sign in 2018.
3. So here are the facts about Hating.
Clarkson and Nance jr just played their 3rd NBA season. Russell and Randle their 2nd NBA season. Randle missed his rookie season via injury. Ingram and Zubac their 1st NBA season...They're both 19 years old dude... I guess the jury is out on all of them?...You know what they will end up being already?...
But Saric a 22 year old Rookie is a Star at 12 pts 6rebs??? Kris Dunn is a stud 2pts 2 assts?? Simmons hasn't played a minute in the NBA but he's a sure fire superstar???...Do you see a pattern here???
4. Who the Hell are the 2 SUPERSTARS on Minny and Philly???
5. Kyrie Irving on Lakers guard D'Angelo Russell: 'He's a great young player'
https://www.axs.com/kyrie-irving-on-lakers-guard-d-angelo-russell-he-s-a-great-young-playe-116348
6. You do understand that Klay thompson was a late 1st round pick...Green was a 2nd round pick...and Curry was a Top ten pick..These guys became stars...they weren't necessarily drafted as such...If you don't think GS started winning because of their team concept and how deep they were...You don't understand basketball...They were not built top heavy like Miami or Boston..."bIG3"
7. Dude, somebody's bench could've gotten hot after trades or just played better late...But our production was steady all year...and we started #1 and ended #1...
8. I don't know how old you are but here's the real math...You can not look at the Lottery based on 100% chances because no one has a 100% chance..even the worst team Nets(boston) only has a 25% chance of keeping that pick and like a 65% chance of staying in the top 3... The way you look at it is from the Lakers view - there are only 2 teams the Nets and Phoe who have a better chance than we do at staying in the top 3...

Thanks for attending class...
#purplepeopleeater

2. Not sure what PG has to do with the fact that you dont have the cap room to sign him and even if you do clear it, a team is likely going to trade for him over the next year and re-sign him before he gets to free agency unless the team that trades for him is the lakers. Also, wasnt Westbrook supposed to sign there too? You guys have embarrassed yourselves in like the last 4 offseasons in meetings alone with players. If you guys trade for PG, you have PG and nothing else, and if you sign him, which as of now you have no room to do, you will deplete the monster bench that is not monstrous at all that you are raving about. Either way, if someone like the Celtics trades for PG this summer, youre not getting him. You can continue to talk about PG possibly coming home, but we've also heard this before.
3. Again, the issue here is you thinking me telling you an obvious statement of the Wolves and Sixers have proven young superstar talent somehow means i am ripping the lakers and saying they have no future. They have young talent. None of those young talents is anywhere close to a surefire superstar like Towns, Wiggins, Embiid, and likely Simmons. That isnt hating on the lakers, that is praising the Sixers and Wolves.
4. Towns is a superstar, Wiggins is a star with the potential to become a superstar. Embiid is a superstar generational big if he stays healthy and Simmons is likely a star as well.
5. So because 1 NBA star says he is a great young player that makes it so? As if Kyrie was going to say no that dude is trash? And he said great "young" player, he didnt say great player.
6. Klay Thompson was the number 11 pick, not a late first round pick, and both he and Curry right away showed an elite level skill at at least 1 thing and in Curry's case multiple things right away. They werent superstars right away, but they had elite level skills in certain areas. You cant say that about Russell or Randle.
7. Again, benches help elite talents to be able to win, benches dont make teams elite. The Warriors are one of the best teams of all time because they had 3 top 15 players in the league and now have 4 top 15 player. Do the Lakers have a top 40 player in the league?
8. Great math, again, you can slice it however you want to in your homer glasses, but there is a 52% chance of that pick being out of the top 3 and 48% you keep it in the top 3. That means you are more likely than not to lose it. Really hard concept, i know, i hope you stayed with me there. You can look at it as homerifically as you want, the sheer percentages say you are more likely to lose it than keep it. You can keep it for all we know, but there is a more likely than not chance you lose not only this years pick but also the pick in 2 years, in which case the lakers are going to be a trainwreck for years to come.

9. I didnt sign up to take Lakers Homer 101, im dropping out.

heat3X
04-14-2017, 02:56 PM
Shout out to my man Lou Will, Trevor Ariza and Mike no D' antoni...Thanks for T Black, Ennis and the 1st rd pick...
Bob and weave those Westbrook daggers... Good luck vs OKC!!!


You got the number 28 pick in the draft or something around there based off the regular season standings, although we will see how that plays out in the playoffs. Here are the last few number 28 overall picks: Skal Labissiere, RJ Hunter, CJ Wilcox, Livio Jean Charles, Perry Jones III, Norris Cole, Greivis Vazquez, Wayne Ellington, Donte Greene.

Look out steph and klay and the rest of the league, the lakers got that number 28 pick!!!!!

Its pretty simple, if the lakers dont get their pick this year and have to give up the pick in 2019 too because of it, they have completely ****ed up their future based off winning meaningless games at the end of the season and making their chances of keeping their pick worse by moving from the #2 slot in the lottery to #3.

heat3X
04-14-2017, 03:04 PM
Again, in an NBA expansion draft of just the Sixers Wolves and Lakers, the top lakers pick goes maybe 4th at best? Towns, Embiid, Wiggins? I'd take Simmons over anyone on the lakers as well and if the lakers pick goes to the Sixers and they have 2 top 5 picks this year i'd probably take the 2 guys they pick over anyone on the lakers as well because there is no superstar talent on the Lakers. There is a reason they were experimenting with Russell as a SG to end the year, it's because they know a guy like Fultz or Ball have much higher ceilings than him and they arent happy with his development.

Generally in the NBA, if you are going to become a superstar, it is pretty obvious within the first 2 years. No one is saying Russell or Randle are trash, they just arent franchise players. they can and will still be very good, no one is debating that, but Ingram is your best hope as a franchise guy out of your current roster right now, and that is still an enormous question mark because he is still so young and hasnt grown into his body yet.

The only issue out of this entire debate is that you are a homer and can't admit that the Wolves and Sixers have far and away a better future as of right now, and if your pick is lost this year and in turn you lose the 2019 pick, that will set your franchise back yet again, because when they get their pick next year with these juggernaut players that you are talking about, you will likely be in the mid-late lottery and not in the top 3 again.

heat3X
04-14-2017, 03:07 PM
Dude we're not snakebitten like Philly...If anything the Lakers are blessed...Your head will explode if we land the #1 pick!!! :crying:
Good luck!!!
Snakebitten? philly won the number 1 pick just last year, have a chance at 2 top 5 picks this year, have a generational big if injuries dont derail his career. Im not even a fan of any of these teams but your homerism is absurd.

The lakers have been a joke both on the court and off for like 4-5 years now.

TheDish87
04-14-2017, 03:11 PM
Dude we're not snakebitten like Philly...If anything the Lakers are blessed...Your head will explode if we land the #1 pick!!! :crying:
Good luck!!!

yea real blessed while tanking for 3 years and stuck with 2 of the worst contracts in the league lolololol and dude you can have the first overall pick for all i care, we will HAPPILY take your top 5 pick unprotected next year.

heat3X
04-14-2017, 03:14 PM
Going back to this argument to the Warriors as if they won because of their depth and not because of their 4 top 15 players in the league.

Honest question, where do you rank whoever you view the lakers top player overall in this league? Also, out of all your players, is their 1 elite skill set that you can point to and say "this guy clearly does this great already"?

Steph Curry in his first year shot 44% from 3. Klay thompson 42%.
Embiid averaged 20, 8 and 2.5 BPG in just 25 MPG. He also shot .367 from 3, better than D'Angelo Russell as a 7 foot center. Andrew Wiggins was an elite scorer coming out of college and averaged 20 PPG as a number 1 option in his 2nd year. He also was trusted to play 36 MPG in his rookie year where as the Lakers dont trust Russell to play more than 29 minutes even in his 2nd year. KAT averaged 25 and 12 and 2 BPG on 54% from the field and 36% from 3 as a 2nd year rookie. Again, all of these guys at the very least showed off some sort of elite level skill set in some area right away. No one on the lakers has.

No one is arguing that they dont have good young players, but they have 2 horrific contracts in Deng and Mozgov that will hurt you for the next 4 years and have 3 guys who havent shown a single elite skill set in any area among all 3 of them. That isnt to say they are bad, but there is nothing you have seen so far in comparison to those guys to think they are anywhere near those levels.

Jets012
04-14-2017, 05:39 PM
I'm being brutally honest. If I was a Lakers fan, I would be so disappointment with the trajectory of some of the young guys. Russell looks like a JAG two years in. Same with Randle. Not bad players, but neither is showing any star power.

Ingram looked horrible this past year. Very disappointing. I highly doubt he lives up to his pick slot. I can't recall many guys have as bad of a rookie year as he did, turning into very good players.

Nance is a nice piece, he was great value. However, this team doesn't have a future star. They are not even near the top of teams I think of when it comes to young talent.

Minnesota is disappointing. Wiggins is a mess. He's an inefficient volume scorer at this point who brings absolutely nothing else to the table. Best case he turns into DeRozan 2.0 and honestly, I wouldn't want a player like that. Dieng is a solid rim protector. LaVine looks like he could be an awesome 6th man. KAT is a bonafide stud, but he's going to need help. He's about to become a top 5 player maybe by next year IMO, but man do they need another piece.

Milwaukee has some nice pieces. Brogdon is just an intelligent player. Parker looked nice before the injury. Giannis is a stud.

Phoenix isn't up there. Booker is one of the more overrated players in the NBA.

Denver is though. Gary Harris was a great find. Jokic is insanely good. He's a fantastic talent. Same with Embiid on Philly.

Minnesota/Milwaukee/Denver/Philly is my top 4 in some order. But I won't lie, all these teams need to add pieces. Milwaukee has the most right now, but they look like they might settle into purgatory unless they add another top 20 player. Minnesota/Denver have stud big men. But man, none of these teams compare to some of the young cores we've seen in the past.

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 05:39 PM
You got the number 28 pick in the draft or something around there based off the regular season standings, although we will see how that plays out in the playoffs. Here are the last few number 28 overall picks: Skal Labissiere, RJ Hunter, CJ Wilcox, Livio Jean Charles, Perry Jones III, Norris Cole, Greivis Vazquez, Wayne Ellington, Donte Greene.

Look out steph and klay and the rest of the league, the lakers got that number 28 pick!!!!!

Its pretty simple, if the lakers dont get their pick this year and have to give up the pick in 2019 too because of it, they have completely ****ed up their future based off winning meaningless games at the end of the season and making their chances of keeping their pick worse by moving from the #2 slot in the lottery to #3.

Uhh we got Nance Jr with a late 1st and Clarkson in the 2nd round...we good... But I don't expect you to realize that...
Hang your hopes on us not getting our 3rd pick... your lil head will explode come Tuesday May 16th..We 4 weeks away bro...WTF you going to say then??/ :speechless:

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 05:48 PM
yea real blessed while tanking for 3 years and stuck with 2 of the worst contracts in the league lolololol and dude you can have the first overall pick for all i care, we will HAPPILY take your top 5 pick unprotected next year.

You ain't blessed...
Noel gone...Okafor will be gone...Embiid 3 year rookie with bad knees and feet...Simmons broken foot 2 year rookie...You guys have drafted terribly...
MCM Rookie of the year gone...Vucevic gone..Mo Harkless gone...Kj McDaniels gone...Jerami Grant gone...Elfrid Payton gone...Evan Turner gone...Mo Speights gone...JRue Holiday gone..Sefolosha gone...Igoudala gone...Lou Willaims gone...

Even when you pick right you fk it up...
HTF is that blessed???
Look at the stars on my flag...That's being blessed !!!

TheDish87
04-14-2017, 05:55 PM
lol what the ****? should i just name all the guys that bolted from LA? 1 year of Dwight-gone, 2 firsts for Nash never played, Pau hated LA, Marc Gasol gone, Wes Johnson gone, LOU WILL gone, Kobe gone, Shaq gone
see i can say stupid **** too.

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 06:05 PM
LakerHater Logic:

1.Saric is a Star averaging 12 pts 6 rebs as a 22 year old Rookie...
2.Ben Simmons is a bonafide superstar that hasn't played 1 official minute in the NBA...
3. Julius Randle has no upside in his 2nd NBA season averaged 12 pts 9 rebs 4 assts 49 fg pct...
4.D'Angelo Russell has no star potential averaging 16 pts 5 assists 4 rebs in his 2nd NBA season...
5. Jordon Clarkson is hot trash averaging 15 pts 3 assts 3 rebs in his 3rd season....nothing there, just so so.
6.Although they are just 19 years old Ingram and Zubac are nothing special either...
7. We have no cap flexibility and no stars want to play in LA anymore...they prefer to go to Phoe, Minny, Philly, Utah, Milwaukee or Boston...
8. and Our top 3 pick this year is as good as gone...

:hi5:

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 06:08 PM
FunSuperstar Fact:
Joel Embiid has played 31 games in 3 NBA seasons...
Ben Simmons has played 0 NBA games ever...

:hi5:

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 06:15 PM
Fun Blessed Philly fact:
Philly drafted Noel depsite his knee injuries...
Philly drafted Embiid in fear of Noel's future...
Philly drafted Okafor in fear of Embiid's injuries...
Noel and Okafor will both be gone this summer and will go on to have functional careers...
and Embiid could possibly be medically retired from the NBA a year later...
:hi5:

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 06:16 PM
#purplepeopleeater

:smoking:

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 06:31 PM
lol what the ****? should i just name all the guys that bolted from LA? 1 year of Dwight-gone, 2 firsts for Nash never played, Pau hated LA, Marc Gasol gone, Wes Johnson gone, LOU WILL gone, Kobe gone, Shaq gone
see i can say stupid **** too.

:nod:

heat3X
04-14-2017, 06:37 PM
I'm being brutally honest. If I was a Lakers fan, I would be so disappointment with the trajectory of some of the young guys. Russell looks like a JAG two years in. Same with Randle. Not bad players, but neither is showing any star power.

Ingram looked horrible this past year. Very disappointing. I highly doubt he lives up to his pick slot. I can't recall many guys have as bad of a rookie year as he did, turning into very good players.

Nance is a nice piece, he was great value. However, this team doesn't have a future star. They are not even near the top of teams I think of when it comes to young talent.

Minnesota is disappointing. Wiggins is a mess. He's an inefficient volume scorer at this point who brings absolutely nothing else to the table. Best case he turns into DeRozan 2.0 and honestly, I wouldn't want a player like that. Dieng is a solid rim protector. LaVine looks like he could be an awesome 6th man. KAT is a bonafide stud, but he's going to need help. He's about to become a top 5 player maybe by next year IMO, but man do they need another piece.

Milwaukee has some nice pieces. Brogdon is just an intelligent player. Parker looked nice before the injury. Giannis is a stud.

Phoenix isn't up there. Booker is one of the more overrated players in the NBA.

Denver is though. Gary Harris was a great find. Jokic is insanely good. He's a fantastic talent. Same with Embiid on Philly.

Minnesota/Milwaukee/Denver/Philly is my top 4 in some order. But I won't lie, all these teams need to add pieces. Milwaukee has the most right now, but they look like they might settle into purgatory unless they add another top 20 player. Minnesota/Denver have stud big men. But man, none of these teams compare to some of the young cores we've seen in the past.

Completely agree on the laker part. I dont care how much "depth" you have, if you can even call it that, if you draft that high this many years in a row and dont have any idea whether you actually have a star, that is disappointing. Russell is a nice player, but its pretty obvious that he isnt a superstar. He might be a good PG, but he will never be a superstar which you need when you draft 2nd. Randle I actually think has a nice game, but again, limited upside. He will never be a star. Very steady PF, but not a star. Ingram is too early to be calling either way, but his first year was disappointing. It isnt really fair to judge him because he is a boy among men at this point, but he did improve as the year went on so I think he is the only guy out of those 3 that could still possibly become a superstar. He does have a very good all around game but it will take him a few years to grow into his body and get stronger.

Other than that, the rest of the team is full of terrible contracts in Deng and Mozgov and other young players who are ok-nice players but again, no chance of any of them becoming superstars, which is what they need.


Minnesota was disappointing overall this year, but I still love their future. Towns is a better version of Davis I think, and I think you are being too strong on Wiggins. Wiggins isnt inefficient at all, 45.6% overall on 19 FGA per game and 35.6 on 3.5 3PA per game is actually really encouraging from a 22 year old. Also, Rubio was really good post all star game offensively really for the first time in his career. Granted Lavine wasnt there, but he was 16, 10.5 and 5 after the all star game at 42% overall and 35.3% from 3. Those efficiency numbers arent great, but they are a huge step up and he is a really good player if you can get that from him, and he is still somehow only 26. He is also a tremendous defender. The thing with them has nothing to do with offense. They were the number 10 team in the league on offense efficiency wise. Throw in Lavine coming back who i love as a volume scorer who is efficient and they will be really good offensively.

The reason why I think they are number 1 or 2 with the other team being the Sixers is because I think as these guys age their defense will get better if it is possible at all because Thibs is the best defensive coach in the league. They are all still young and Sam Mitchell instilled horrific defensive principles so i think they will get a lot better defensively with age, and when you add in another potential top 6 pick this year, I think the sky is the limit as they continue to develop. Their trajectory should aim to be similar to what the Jazz have been the last few years. They need to age together with their young core and add quality veterans like the Jazz did last year in Hill, Joe Johnson, and Diaw so someone can teach them how to actually win in this league. I do think they overpaid Dieng though. He's making between 14-17 million for the next 4 years each year and while he is a solid player, they are going to have to figure out how to pay all those guys eventually, and i think he will be the odd man out. But ya, adding in a top 6 pick will be another piece and then they need to add quality veteran depth and they are well on their way up with a great young core.

Milwaukee just needs to get healthy and continue to age together. They did the hardest part in finding a true transcendent superstar and they have 2 other really good players in Jabari and Middleton and middleton's contract looks really nice now with the new CBA. I really think guys who were locked up long term the summer before the new CBA and rise in salary cap last year are huge commodities and great value after what happened last summer. Middleton for 3 years 41 million after this year is incredible value. If Jabari comes back healthy, which is a huge question mark, they will be at the top of the east for years to come. And once Monroe's contract expires next year they will be even better. Thon maker also looks like a player. They also need more depth but Giannis is the major key and he will win an MVP eventually. The Bucks are set for years but i dont really consider them in this conversation just because they are already really good. Im thinking more of best young core of teams that arent in the playoffs.

Phoenix does stink, but they are doing this the right way. Booker is really good and would show how good he is if he wasnt being required to do so much at such a young age with such a bad supporting cast. Them getting a number 1-2 pick this year would be huge, either way they will get a stud. Either Fultz/Ball or guys like Tatum/Jackson in the draft, where they most likely will nab one of those guys, will enhance their future greatly. They gotta dump Knight's contract though. Chandler is a great guy to learn from for their young guys. Their key will be if they get lucky in the draft this year and how last years draft ultimately turns out. Chriss seems like a pretty good player eventually but not a star, and no one knows anything about Bender, which was expected. This is a pretty huge lottery for them. They should tank again next year and play nothing but young guys and Chandler and then hope for a huge improvement the following year.

Denver is a really good team and I love their future. Jokic is a bonafide superstar. He's only 22 and after they got rid of Nurkic he averaged 17, 11.6 and 6 assists as a big guy who can also shoot the 3. His contract is also incredible for 2 more years because of where he was drafted. Gary Harris is a stud too who is only 22 so he's got a huge future. Galinari would be huge for them to retain, hes become incredibly underrated. They do have to trade one of Chandler or Faried. One needs to be the starting 4 and the other should be traded to clear the 12 million each is owed for the next 2 years. They desperately need a long term PG though. Mudiay cant play. He just cant shoot. I love Nelson as a backup PG at this stage but he shouldnt be a starter at this point in his career. Dont know who they could go after though.

My order would probably be Minnesota/Philly/Milwaukee/Denver/Lakers/Phoenix with phoenix easily jumping the lakers if they land a top 2 pick or the lakers lose their pick.

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 06:48 PM
Fun Blessed Phlly fact:
Lakers traded Andrew Bum Knees Bynum to Philly and got Dwight Howard from Orlando...
Them boys love some cripples...


:hi5:

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 06:49 PM
lakerhaters :burn:

heat3X
04-14-2017, 06:51 PM
LakerHater Logic:

1.Saric is a Star averaging 12 pts 6 rebs as a 22 year old Rookie...
2.Ben Simmons is a bonafide superstar that hasn't played 1 official minute in the NBA...
3. Julius Randle has no upside in his 2nd NBA season averaged 12 pts 9 rebs 4 assts 49 fg pct...
4.D'Angelo Russell has no star potential averaging 16 pts 5 assists 4 rebs in his 2nd NBA season...
5. Jordon Clarkson is hot trash averaging 15 pts 3 assts 3 rebs in his 3rd season....nothing there, just so so.
6.Although they are just 19 years old Ingram and Zubac are nothing special either...
7. We have no cap flexibility and no stars want to play in LA anymore...they prefer to go to Phoe, Minny, Philly, Utah, Milwaukee or Boston...
8. and Our top 3 pick this year is as good as gone...

:hi5:

1. Saric is a potential star and is the perfect stretch 4 in todays game. He averaged 17, 7 and 3.5 in the second half as the number 1 option on a bad team because of injuries. His potential is really high, unlike Randle who unless he becomes a knockdown 3 pt shooter or a much better defender will never become a star. Starting PF? Sure. Not a star.

2. Ben simmons was injured last year, if he is healthy, he is a legitimate star. Obviously he has to play, but he is as sure fire a star as there is. You can question it with your laker homer logic, but he is going to be a star.

3. Again, no one is saying randle is bad, just not a star. If he can become a much better 3 pt shooter, maybe he can be a lot more, but his defense is also suspect. His peak is Zach Randolph and that is stretching it. Really good starting PF, not a star. The only issue in this whole thing is you thinking someone saying that someone is not a star means they are a bum. You can be very good and not close to a star.

4. Nothing Russell has shown in his first 2 years makes you think he can be a star. Again, I named all of those guys who are stars and what they showed as an elite level skill their very first year, let alone their 2nd year. What is the elite skill that Russell has? Again, guys are going to get stats on bad teams. You relaying off these stats with no context means nothing. 2 years in and the lakers dont trust him to play more than 29 minutes a game. There is a reason for that, and there is a reason they were experimenting with him at SG in the chance they get one of the top 2 picks and get a chance at one of those superstar level PG's.

5. Jordan Clarkson is just a guy. He can score inefficiently. He is 24 years old. His upside is limited. As a scorer off the bench i guess he is alright, but he is nothing close to a star. The number of guys who could put up his stats on a bad team like the lakers is very very long

6. I've said quite the opposite of Ingram either, but nothing he has shown thus far has shown he is a star. He is way too young to make a prediction either way. But again, nothing he has done so far has shown he is a future superstar. Has potential, but you cant say he is a star yet. Lots of guys in the NBA are in that same boat.

Zubic has done nothing yet. I actually like him, but he's played 38 games on a bad team in only 16 minutes per game. If you want to hold him up as anything significant in a concrete way that just furthers the point that the lakers dont have much.

7. YOu have limited cap flexibility because of your dumbass GM from last year. That can be worked around and you still have a little maneuverability, but those deals are going to be horrible for the next like 4 years.

8. No one saying it is as good as gone, but 52% is gone. That lottery will drastically effect your franchise in one way or another You keep it and you get a stud this year along with keeping it 2 years from now. You lose it and lose 2019 pick too? That will cripple this franchise.

heat3X
04-14-2017, 06:55 PM
Uhh we got Nance Jr with a late 1st and Clarkson in the 2nd round...we good... But I don't expect you to realize that...
Hang your hopes on us not getting our 3rd pick... your lil head will explode come Tuesday May 16th..We 4 weeks away bro...WTF you going to say then??/ :speechless:

You are really into non star players with limited upside. Congrats, you got a rotation player in the draft. If you want to brag about getting a rotation player, be my guest, i'll be watching the T'Wolves, Bucks, Sixers, and Nuggets superstars while you brag about Larry Nantz and an inefficient scorer in Clarkson who already got paid, reducing his overall value.

I dont give a **** about the lakers one way or another. Youre just a homer. If you get the pick congrats, i really dont give a ****. If you lose the pick though that will cripple your franchise for years. I dont have a rooting interest either way. The Lakers are about as irrelevent as it gets in the NBA right now. Just trying to set a huge homer straight.

heat3X
04-14-2017, 07:06 PM
You ain't blessed...
Noel gone...Okafor will be gone...Embiid 3 year rookie with bad knees and feet...Simmons broken foot 2 year rookie...You guys have drafted terribly...
MCM Rookie of the year gone...Vucevic gone..Mo Harkless gone...Kj McDaniels gone...Jerami Grant gone...Elfrid Payton gone...Evan Turner gone...Mo Speights gone...JRue Holiday gone..Sefolosha gone...Igoudala gone...Lou Willaims gone...

Even when you pick right you fk it up...
HTF is that blessed???
Look at the stars on my flag...That's being blessed !!!

They have drafted really well actually. Aside from Okafor they took best player available regardless of injury and it has worked. Okafor is good too he just doesnt fit in the modern NBA. Embiid is a generational big and superstar as long as he is healthy. You can continue to brag about Randle, i'll take Embiid and his injury risk and his superstardom over a nice starting PF. Simmons is one of the best prospects to come out in years. He got injured. He will be back and he could have played this year if they had anything to play for.

Half the guys you just named are from like years ago and some of them were traded for each other or in the same trade. Harkless is nothing special. KJ mcdaniels?!? huge loss, not sure how they can recover. Jerami Grant? Oh no whatever will they do. They traded Elfrid Payton, a meh PG for Saric who will be a stretch 4 in this league for 15 years. Evan Turner was traded in a contract year and stinks. Mo Speights was drafted in 2008. Jrue Holiday was traded in a deal that eventually helped land them a very high first round pick. Sefolosha was traded on draft night so its clear you just went on their draft history and put down players whose name you recognized. Lou williams is a bench scorer, not a huge loss. Iguodala was a bad trade but they went for it. That was also a previous regime so i have literally no idea what your point is.

you can continue to deflect all you want. As of now the Sixers are lightyears ahead of the Lakers, and if they lose their draft pick that will make it even worse for the lakers.

heat3X
04-14-2017, 07:14 PM
Fun Blessed Phlly fact:
Lakers traded Andrew Bum Knees Bynum to Philly and got Dwight Howard from Orlando...
Them boys love some cripples...


:hi5:

Fun blessed lakers fact: The sixers moved on from that trade the next year and cut ties with Bynum. The Lakers were the trainwreck laughing stock of the league that year, lost Howard in free agency, and 5 years later, the Lakers have a 52% chance of losing their first round pick this year and in turn in 2019 due to a trade from over 5 years ago. WTF are you bragging about? That trade was as disastrous for the Lakers as it was for the Sixers, only the sixers stopped feeling the effects the next year whereas the lakers are still feeling it potentially this year and then if not this year, unprotected next year.

Rocco007
04-14-2017, 10:01 PM
Just look though these posts and you will find contradiction after contradiction...
Saric is a star...shot 30 pct from 3...Oh you want to post after All star game...
Well Russell averaged 19 pts and 5 assists... oh still shows nothing...
Julius Randle's assessment is the blatant hatred exposed...If you have ever watched the kid play and walk away saying he has no upside?...wtf are you on...But Saric is a star???...
Ben Simmons is a lock to be a superstar?...he could n't shoot in college...but he's just going to walk onto the NBA and light it up...Philly is going to play him at PG...can he dribble up vs PGs consistantly...can he defend a PG?...Kyrie etc...
No one doubts his passing ability but Ben Simmons has alot to prove before you can proclaim him as a lock to be a superstar...
You can't take someone serious that is so lopsided on everything...oh he apparently knows who will and won't be a star...before they play, after their first 31 games or after a couple of seasons...
Done deal...
Oh someone tell this kid that Boston via the Nets only has a 25% chance of keeping thier #1 pick...75% chance they don't get it...!!!!
dAmn!!!

ManRam
04-14-2017, 10:33 PM
good evening

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 01:20 AM
Nothing Russell has shown in his first 2 years makes you think he can be a star.
https://youtu.be/urr6LNBGEyE

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 01:44 AM
Julius Randle does have limited upside.

https://youtu.be/v3rgx1ZAVAc

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 02:10 AM
Jordan Clarkson is just a guy. He can score inefficiently. He is 24 years old. His upside is limited.

https://youtu.be/-qSBGlgVYOQ

TheDish87
04-15-2017, 09:21 AM
Fun Blessed Phlly fact:
Lakers traded Andrew Bum Knees Bynum to Philly and got Dwight Howard from Orlando...
Them boys love some cripples...


:hi5:

fun lakers fact: they finished in 8th and got swept in the first round and then Dwight. oh yea they also traded two 1st for an over the hill, injured Nash who gave them nothing. good times, i can do this all day too.

heat3X
04-15-2017, 11:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ObEWvF01V0

Wang Zhi Zhi has a highlight tape on youtube too. pretty much every nba player does. They still arent potential superstars.

heat3X
04-15-2017, 11:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObwvhAOzIVQ

Robert Sacre has a youtube video of highlights! Star!

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 01:57 PM
Fun Philly we blessed facts:

Philadelphia 76ers

Acquired: Andrew Bynum, Jason Richardson

Lost: Moe Harkless, Nikola Vučević, Andre Iguodala, one conditional first-round pick

Los Angeles Lakers

Acquired: Dwight Howard, Earl Clark, Chris Duhon

Lost: Andrew Bynum, Josh McRoberts, Christian Eyenga, conditional second-round pick in 2015, a conditional first-round pick in 2017

:hi5:

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 02:02 PM
fun lakers fact: they finished in 8th and got swept in the first round and then Dwight. oh yea they also traded two 1st for an over the hill, injured Nash who gave them nothing. good times, i can do this all day too.

You can not do this all day....16 banners bro...WTF you on???
WE win alot more than we ever lose on trades, FAs etc...stop it...
LEt's not forget that the NBA stopped the steal of CP3.... If he is on board, D12 doesn't leave...
Either way...D12 wasn't a Laker...He's a wimpy rich tall lady that can dunk...

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 02:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ObEWvF01V0

Wang Zhi Zhi has a highlight tape on youtube too. pretty much every nba player does. They still arent potential superstars.

You are starting to fizzle out...I had a feeling your BBall IQ was limited...Please stop...You look foolish...

heat3X
04-15-2017, 02:36 PM
You are starting to fizzle out...I had a feeling your BBall IQ was limited...Please stop...You look foolish...

I posted the exact same thing you did. A youtube highlight tape. Why is your highlight tape evidence of something but mine isnt?

heat3X
04-15-2017, 02:37 PM
Fun Philly we blessed facts:

Philadelphia 76ers

Acquired: Andrew Bynum, Jason Richardson

Lost: Moe Harkless, Nikola Vučević, Andre Iguodala, one conditional first-round pick

Los Angeles Lakers

Acquired: Dwight Howard, Earl Clark, Chris Duhon

Lost: Andrew Bynum, Josh McRoberts, Christian Eyenga, conditional second-round pick in 2015, a conditional first-round pick in 2017

:hi5:

You realize that trade was a disaster for every team involved, right? You have a chance to lose a top 5 pick this year, 5 years after the trade, and Dwight was a complete and utter disaster for the Lakers. What are you bragging about?

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 02:48 PM
You realize that trade was a disaster for every team involved, right? You have a chance to lose a top 5 pick this year, 5 years after the trade, and Dwight was a complete and utter disaster for the Lakers. What are you bragging about?

You think The Lakers lost more than Philly???????
We gave up nothing...The only player still in the NBA that the Lakers lost is Josh Roberts and Dwight Howard...and they're both washed up...
Meanwhile AI is still productive and winning in GS....Vucevic is better than Dwight Coward and Moe Harkless just got paid in Portland...The Hatorade has you drunk and off your stool...
We haven't lost anything to Philly...
We got a 1st pick back this year for Low Willaims...perennial NBA 6th man of the year....Let's see who drafted him and let him go???
#weblessed

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 02:52 PM
I posted the exact same thing you did. A youtube highlight tape. Why is your highlight tape evidence of something but mine isnt?

So the level of hatorade is so much higher than the legal PSD limit that you can still claim that Russell, Randle and Clarkson have no upside?...you either have never played basketball or you are sh*tfaced off that laker hatorade...
I'm done here...

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 02:54 PM
good evening

Welcome...
Lakerfan?

More-Than-Most
04-15-2017, 03:11 PM
lol why are you continuing with him? He is delusional and his own fanbase stays away from him and mocks him... There isnt a laker fan outside of this guy that wouldnt switch rosters with the sixers and that is their own words right there.

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 03:17 PM
lol why are you continuing with him? He is delusional and his own fanbase stays away from him and mocks him... There isnt a laker fan outside of this guy that wouldnt switch rosters with the sixers and that is their own words right there.

Haters will hate...liars will lie...and the weak complain...But the train keeps moving...
I will see you when I see you...
#purplepeopleeater

heat3X
04-15-2017, 03:45 PM
You think The Lakers lost more than Philly???????
We gave up nothing...The only player still in the NBA that the Lakers lost is Josh Roberts and Dwight Howard...and they're both washed up...
Meanwhile AI is still productive and winning in GS....Vucevic is better than Dwight Coward and Moe Harkless just got paid in Portland...The Hatorade has you drunk and off your stool...
We haven't lost anything to Philly...
We got a 1st pick back this year for Low Willaims...perennial NBA 6th man of the year....Let's see who drafted him and let him go???
#weblessed

You gave up either a top pick this year or unprotected pick next year. 5 years after the trade. That was still a complete disaster for your team.

One Nut Kruk
04-15-2017, 03:53 PM
lol why are you continuing with him? He is delusional and his own fanbase stays away from him and mocks him... There isnt a laker fan outside of this guy that wouldnt switch rosters with the sixers and that is their own words right there.

He'll get the last laugh when his Lakers turn into Golden State due to all that depth.

And I'm not sure how anybody can even attempt to engage with this guy. Way too witty for me. Dwight Coward, Low Williams, Mike no D'antoni, etc.

Rocco007
04-15-2017, 10:10 PM
For those that play ball or have an acute knowledge of how the game is played, you will understand what I am about to say...
The Lakers do not play a top heavy game...Their offense isn't designed around 1, 2 or even 3 players...
The Luke Walton system is a fusion of what GS runs and some aspects of the Phil Jackson Triangle...These are offenses that Luke has taught and played in...He knows them well...They focus on passing the ball around as many times as possible until a player has the best available open shot...whether you are a star or a role player...
That is why GS has always run a deep rotation...and They can keep their players fresh...and run you into the ground...
The Lakers are in that mold..So when people say...well you don't have a superstar...
That just means we don't have 1 player dominating the offense...really...Because Russell, Clarkson, Randle and Ingram have all had high scoring games this season...If they were on a team that kept given them the ball in isolations, over and over again like Minny, Philly and Phoe...they would score more...
Bottomline, we shall see next season which team takes the biggest leap...

One Nut Kruk
04-15-2017, 11:57 PM
Unfortunately for you, there is one kind of...uh...important difference. Golden State has really good players.

heat3X
04-16-2017, 12:53 PM
For those that play ball or have an acute knowledge of how the game is played, you will understand what I am about to say...
The Lakers do not play a top heavy game...Their offense isn't designed around 1, 2 or even 3 players...
The Luke Walton system is a fusion of what GS runs and some aspects of the Phil Jackson Triangle...These are offenses that Luke has taught and played in...He knows them well...They focus on passing the ball around as many times as possible until a player has the best available open shot...whether you are a star or a role player...
That is why GS has always run a deep rotation...and They can keep their players fresh...and run you into the ground...
The Lakers are in that mold..So when people say...well you don't have a superstar...
That just means we don't have 1 player dominating the offense...really...Because Russell, Clarkson, Randle and Ingram have all had high scoring games this season...If they were on a team that kept given them the ball in isolations, over and over again like Minny, Philly and Phoe...they would score more...
Bottomline, we shall see next season which team takes the biggest leap...


Youve now dodged my question about 10 times. Golden state has had 3 top 15 players in the league the last 2 years and now 4 top 15 players in the league this year. What rank in the league is whoever you think the best laker is?

You dont have a top player dominating the offense because you dont have any capable of doing so efficiently. And the warriors dont win because of depth, they win because they have 4 of the top 15 players in the league.

tp13baby
04-16-2017, 03:19 PM
For those that play ball or have an acute knowledge of how the game is played, you will understand what I am about to say...
The Lakers do not play a top heavy game...Their offense isn't designed around 1, 2 or even 3 players...
The Luke Walton system is a fusion of what GS runs and some aspects of the Phil Jackson Triangle...These are offenses that Luke has taught and played in...He knows them well...They focus on passing the ball around as many times as possible until a player has the best available open shot...whether you are a star or a role player...
That is why GS has always run a deep rotation...and They can keep their players fresh...and run you into the ground...
The Lakers are in that mold..So when people say...well you don't have a superstar...
That just means we don't have 1 player dominating the offense...really...Because Russell, Clarkson, Randle and Ingram have all had high scoring games this season...If they were on a team that kept given them the ball in isolations, over and over again like Minny, Philly and Phoe...they would score more...
Bottomline, we shall see next season which team takes the biggest leap...


Watching the Lakers offense they just chuck up 3's and if the aren't falling they are garbage.

Rocco007
04-16-2017, 06:36 PM
Youve now dodged my question about 10 times. Golden state has had 3 top 15 players in the league the last 2 years and now 4 top 15 players in the league this year. What rank in the league is whoever you think the best laker is?

You dont have a top player dominating the offense because you dont have any capable of doing so efficiently. And the warriors dont win because of depth, they win because they have 4 of the top 15 players in the league.

I'm not dodging your question you just don't understand basketball..I've already explained this..
GS did not start off drafting 3 star players...they developed into stars in the right system...Draymond Green was drafted in the 2nd round dude...
if there was a redraft they would all be top 3... but hindsight is 20/20 and that's why you have to give these young players time to develop... and for some reason you don't understand depth and how that wins games in the NBA...you keep harping on 2 superstars...Look at how Minny loses games...They literally have to play KAT damn near 48 mins...when their starters sit, their bench gets ran off the court..Bench averaged 13 points this season...You aren't going to win long term like that in the NBA..Thibs is going to wear the brakes off those young guys...
This is Luke Walton's 1st season...you watch and see...

Larry on finishing the season strong:
"I feel really good about the season right now b/c we showed what we can do & what we will become."
I think the sky’s the limit. You look at what we have; we have every position and then some. It’s very promising”.
Larry Nance jr

Rocco007
04-16-2017, 06:37 PM
Watching the Lakers offense they just chuck up 3's and if the aren't falling they are garbage.

You don't watch enough games...are game is also pushing the ball and getting out in transition and working the post...

heat3X
04-16-2017, 07:30 PM
I'm not dodging your question you just don't understand basketball..I've already explained this..
GS did not start off drafting 3 star players...they developed into stars in the right system...Draymond Green was drafted in the 2nd round dude...
if there was a redraft they would all be top 3... but hindsight is 20/20 and that's why you have to give these young players time to develop... and for some reason you don't understand depth and how that wins games in the NBA...you keep harping on 2 superstars...Look at how Minny loses games...They literally have to play KAT damn near 48 mins...when their starters sit, their bench gets ran off the court..Bench averaged 13 points this season...You aren't going to win long term like that in the NBA..Thibs is going to wear the brakes off those young guys...
This is Luke Walton's 1st season...you watch and see...

Larry on finishing the season strong:
"I feel really good about the season right now b/c we showed what we can do & what we will become."
I think the sky’s the limit. You look at what we have; we have every position and then some. It’s very promising”.
Larry Nance jr

Awesome, no player starts out as a superstar, but both Thompson and Curry had elite skills that were obvious from their very first game in multiple areas. Youve also ignored that question because not one of the players youre bragging about has 1 elite level skill.

Yes, and when minny does sign a few more veterans, they will be able to improve greatly because they have 2 obvious star players that are only 21 years old, including a future MVP in Towns. You have no one close to even wiggins level let alone Towns. Depth is 1000000X easier to find than superstar talent. And the depth you are bragging about really is just not quality depth, hate to break it to you.

If depth wins games in the NBA why were the lakers the 3rd worst team in the league? Depth is nice and it can help win, but stars are the most important thing in the NBA as well as the hardest thing to find. Signing quality depth is way behind that in terms of importance for a franchises long term future. Stars win games, specifically in the playoffs when the best players play more. It's why teams like the Bulls and the Hawks were so good in the regular season in some of the last 6 years or so, but always still lose to the heat. The 2011 Bulls and that hawks team that won 60 something games had great depth and that was nice in the regular season, that depth is much less important in the playoffs when lebron and kyrie are playing 40+ minutes a game.

And the lakers dont not play anyone more than 30+ minutes a game because they are just so confident in their depth, it's because they dont have a player worthy of that kind of playing time. Again, no one is saying they are bad players, but when you are comparing Towns, Wiggins, Embiid, etc to Russell and Randle, the lakers players are not even close to those guys.

You can have red ****ing auerbach as your coach, it still wont make your players any better. The lakers arent close to having the best young core in the league and it will get even more pronounced of a difference if they lose their first round pick this year and in 2019.

Larry nantz said they showed what they could do.... what did they show? They were the 3rd worst team in the league and dont have a superstar talent that is reasonably likely to become that as Ingram has that potential but is ways away from that right now.

Teeboy1487
04-16-2017, 07:51 PM
My apologies to the main forum...

usually we can contain a toxic outbreak like this to the Lakers forum ... unfortunately we need to review our protocols to determine the proximate cause of our failure in this instance...

again... my deepest sympathies for an distress this thread has caused.

:laugh:

tp13baby
04-16-2017, 08:13 PM
You don't watch enough games...are game is also pushing the ball and getting out in transition and working the post...

Is it because LA plays no defense?

Rocco007
04-16-2017, 09:02 PM
Awesome, no player starts out as a superstar, but both Thompson and Curry had elite skills that were obvious from their very first game in multiple areas. Youve also ignored that question because not one of the players youre bragging about has 1 elite level skill.


First of all... you have crowned Ben Simmons a Superstar and he hasn't even played a single minute in the NBA...
I mean you're somebody who looks at Julius Randle and D'Angelo Russell and feels they have no upside...WTF am I talking to you about elite skills for?...You obviously don't know or understand the game of basketball...You're a typical Laker hater...nevermind Minny keeps losing with all that superstar talent...and Philly will be right behind them next year...apologist...excuses excuses excuses...Just a matter of time before they're screaming it's Thib's fault...because it can't be their low BBall IQ players...Any given night Wiggins can go off for 30 pts 2 rebs 1 assts...and lock the other guy up by giving up 40 pts...ditto Lavine...#
Let's wait to see what Ben Simmons will do...I'm sure he will be future HOFer.. I can just feel it...

Rocco007
04-17-2017, 12:10 AM
https://lasportshub.com/2017/04/15/lakers-rumors-dangelo-russell-path-superstar/amp/1/

Storch
04-17-2017, 12:28 AM
I see your points Rocco, but the issue with this topic is that it is quite premature to debate. The Lakers need to hatch before we can call them what they hatch into. The future certainly looks bright.

JAZZNC
04-17-2017, 01:02 AM
You don't watch enough games...are game is also pushing the ball and getting out in transition and working the post...

*our game

Hawkeye15
04-17-2017, 12:12 PM
The Lakers are not even remotely in the conversation. They have literally no identifiable star player going forward. The Sixers, Wolves, and Bucks are the answer. Prior to Parker going down with his 2nd knee injury, I would have had the Bucks 1a, but his injury puts them onboard with the 3 teams I listed. The only reason the Sixers aren't #1, is their best player just has injury concerns, and we don't know yet what Simmons, and the 2 picks this year will produce. But they have depth and youth combined, and if Embiid can stay relatively healthy, and a combo of Simmons/picks from this year, they could be scary. The Wolves have Towns. Wiggins is meh (dude scores 20 a game average efficiency, does nothing else), Lavine is tbd with his knee injury, and the PG situation is a mess. Towns is the only sure thing.

The Bucks have a top 5 player (like the Wolves will) over the next few years, and good pieces at good ages.

The Lakers are down the list. Quantity doesn't mean quality. The Lakers may have a bunch of young guys, but none of them show star talent at all.

Rocco007
04-17-2017, 01:21 PM
*our game

Yeah..auto correct has it's way of intervening when I'm dropping bombs on your head piece...#purplepeopleeater

TheDish87
04-17-2017, 01:32 PM
lol yea autocorrected to the wrong word...

Rocco007
04-17-2017, 01:34 PM
The Lakers are not even remotely in the conversation. They have literally no identifiable star player going forward. The Sixers, Wolves, and Bucks are the answer. Prior to Parker going down with his 2nd knee injury, I would have had the Bucks 1a, but his injury puts them onboard with the 3 teams I listed. The only reason the Sixers aren't #1, is their best player just has injury concerns, and we don't know yet what Simmons, and the 2 picks this year will produce. But they have depth and youth combined, and if Embiid can stay relatively healthy, and a combo of Simmons/picks from this year, they could be scary. The Wolves have Towns. Wiggins is meh (dude scores 20 a game average efficiency, does nothing else), Lavine is tbd with his knee injury, and the PG situation is a mess. Towns is the only sure thing.

The Bucks have a top 5 player (like the Wolves will) over the next few years, and good pieces at good ages.

The Lakers are down the list. Quantity doesn't mean quality. The Lakers may have a bunch of young guys, but none of them show star talent at all.

So why did the Lakers split with the Wolves this season?
And why did you only manage to win 31 games with Thibs after winning 29games with Mitchell?
Wasn't the HC the problem?
If Luke would've started our young guys from day 1...We would've won more games...as the season went on we started to gel...
So for 2 seasons in a row Minny has had a bunch of excuses about winning but still wants to boast about their superior talent...Last season they were hands down the best young core...Now Philly, Phoe and veryone else is in the convo accept for the Lakers...The Hate is real in here... :laugh2:
You lost 6 in a row to end the season...we won 5 out of 6...the Lakers beat the Wolves 2 out of the 3
games in the last 12 games of the season...
So what gives dude?
Is it your HC again?

Rocco007
04-17-2017, 01:39 PM
How many games will Minny win next season???
Let's hear it Wolvesfans...
I know your confidence is shaken...But don't run now...3rd time is the charm... :cricket:

Hawkeye15
04-17-2017, 01:56 PM
So why did the Lakers split with the Wolves this season?
And why did you only manage to win 31 games with Thibs after winning 29games with Mitchell?
Wasn't the HC the problem?
If Luke would've started our young guys from day 1...We would've won more games...as the season went on we started to gel...
So for 2 seasons in a row Minny has had a bunch of excuses about winning but still wants to boast about their superior talent...Last season they were hands down the best young core...Now Philly, Phoe and veryone else is in the convo accept for the Lakers...The Hate is real in here... :laugh2:
You lost 6 in a row to end the season...we won 5 out of 6...the Lakers beat the Wolves 2 out of the 3
games in the last 12 games of the season...
So what gives dude?
Is it your HC again?

Plenty of reasons. Wiggins hasn't developed at all. We have zero bench. Our coach mindlessly isolates Wiggins down the stretch, which is ridiculous as a strategy. We lost 20 games in which we held a double digit lead at some point. The Wolves underachieved. Their bench sucked, they started the year getting pulverized in the 3rd quarter, their defense was atrocious, and they played their young guys NBA leading minutes, which doesn't win games. Rubio played poorly until the year was halfway over, our rookie sucked donkey dick, and Thib's simply didn't make in game adjustments, instead staying strong with his game plan. Watching Wiggins try and go iso against the likes of Kawhi just made me shake my head. Yeah, good strategy to close the game Thib's...

As it currently stands, the Wolves future is far brighter. The one thing you have, is that you are Los Angeles. And that means something. It really does. Because you don't have the player talent, currently, to compete anytime soon.

As far as predicting wins for next year, I have no idea. Ask me in August, when the draft, FA period, and trades are done with. I thought they would win 10 more games than they did this year. My faith in Thib's being able to produce a league average or better defense with the roster was wrong. And they started 0-10 in one possession finishes, and gave up so many double digit leads for losses, it's ridiculous. The stats who around a 38 win team. But when you lose every close game, and choke away big leads, **** happens..

Rocco007
04-17-2017, 03:35 PM
Wiggins hasn't developed at all. We have zero bench. Our coach mindlessly isolates Wiggins down the stretch, which is ridiculous as a strategy. Their bench sucked, they started the year getting pulverized in the 3rd quarter, their defense was atrocious, and they played their young guys NBA leading minutes, which doesn't win games. Rubio played poorly until the year was halfway over, our rookie sucked donkey dick, and Thib's simply didn't make in game adjustments, instead staying strong with his game plan. Watching Wiggins try and go iso against the likes of Kawhi just made me shake my head. Yeah, good strategy to close the game Thib's...

As it currently stands, the Wolves future is far brighter.

:hi5:
I mean where do I begin with this masterpiece breakdown of a season...I think I will open and close with this simple and concise analysis...

Wiggins is supposed to be superstar and Kris Dunn was a certified stud...Nobody outside of KAT can offer anything consistently but shots up... You have no depth...Bench 13 pts per. You now have a supposed REAL HC, although SAm Mitchell was a COY...But he played your young guys wrong too...Now Thibs is doing the same thing...Depth matters? Depth doesn't matter??
The facts are right in front of you but you choose to ignore them...
You like the rest...are simply a Laker Hater and homer factual apologist...
Like I told you last summer...I will tell you AGAIN...
You have a bunch of Low IQ BBALL players...and outisde of KAT they are lazy/content and 1 dimensional...You need to trade Wiggins for a multi talented wing...that knows how to play the game correctly and doesn't always care about scoring...KAT should've moved to the 5 spot...and you should have never paid Dieng all that money...He's just a role player...
The Good News...
You probably have the best young dunkers in the NBA... :hi5:

TheDish87
04-17-2017, 03:49 PM
if Minny has a bunch of low ball IQ players then what the **** do the lakers have lololololololol

Rocco007
04-17-2017, 04:28 PM
Sad to see how some of these posters start to crash and burn...
when there's nowhere else to turn...
when you are taken out to the deep waters...
the sons turns into sweet daughters...
you need a lifeline but you forgot your life jacket...
what now?..ask him? he's finished!!...that's it!!!

#purplepeopleeater
:smoking:

Hawkeye15
04-17-2017, 04:29 PM
dude, you are ****ing weird.

TheDish87
04-17-2017, 04:41 PM
weird aint even the word.

tp13baby
04-17-2017, 06:04 PM
weird aint even the word.

Delusional.

Kyben36
04-17-2017, 06:18 PM
76ers could be if healthy,

bucks are a younger team than they seem.

But, overall, i think that the timberwovles have two guys right now i would really want for sure, wiggins is growing and really getting good quitely. Kat is still gonna be great, not to mention lavine, dunn, ect.

Kyben36
04-17-2017, 06:21 PM
the lakers are not even remotely in the conversation. They have literally no identifiable star player going forward. The sixers, wolves, and bucks are the answer. Prior to parker going down with his 2nd knee injury, i would have had the bucks 1a, but his injury puts them onboard with the 3 teams i listed. The only reason the sixers aren't #1, is their best player just has injury concerns, and we don't know yet what simmons, and the 2 picks this year will produce. But they have depth and youth combined, and if embiid can stay relatively healthy, and a combo of simmons/picks from this year, they could be scary. The wolves have towns. Wiggins is meh (dude scores 20 a game average efficiency, does nothing else), lavine is tbd with his knee injury, and the pg situation is a mess. Towns is the only sure thing.

The bucks have a top 5 player (like the wolves will) over the next few years, and good pieces at good ages.

The lakers are down the list. Quantity doesn't mean quality. The lakers may have a bunch of young guys, but none of them show star talent at all.

i agree about the lakers, they have some guys with promise, but i mean, were they not just talking about trading russel like a few months ago, and ingram has not show enough to say he can be built around. The rest of these guys are meh, ive never liked randle who is a guy who has no off hand (inexcusable for an nba player ) clarkson isnt bad, but i would not clasify him as a starter even myself. Fringe starter maybe.

More-Than-Most
04-17-2017, 06:45 PM
lol this dude is my hero.

That being said I can honestly say he is in the minority... most of the laker fans are cool and not insane about their situation... every fanbase has a few though so whatever.

heat3X
04-17-2017, 07:08 PM
i love the fact that he made up his own ridiculous hashtag for his own posts.

RLundi
04-17-2017, 07:21 PM
Delusional.

Cerebrally handicapped, since the R-word is asterisked out.

I literally can't with this guy. Not sure why anyone's responding, he's CLEARLY trolling. Don't feed the trolls and they go in search of attention elsewhere.

Vinylman
04-18-2017, 07:32 AM
Cerebrally handicapped, since the R-word is asterisked out.

I literally can't with this guy. Not sure why anyone's responding, he's CLEARLY trolling. Don't feed the trolls and they go in search of attention elsewhere.

he isn't trolling he actually believes his own bull ****...

at one point this past season he said the Mozgov contract was better than the rudy gobert contract...

he actually posted that to the internet

tp13baby
04-18-2017, 09:18 AM
What if you did 22 years and younger. The physical maturity for these players for the most part will be more drastic.

Bucks
Maker
Jabari
Giannis
Vaughn

Minnesota
Towns
Wiggins
Jones
Lavine

Philly
Simmons
TLC
Okafor

Suns
Bender
Chriss
Booker
Ulis
Derrick Jones

LA
Ingram
Randle
Russell
Zubac
Ennis

Denver
Jokic
Harris
Murray
Mudiay
Hernangomez
Beasley

Side note, nothing to do with helping the case, but Jamal Murray played the entire season with a sports hernia. Pretty nuts in this time of the league.

Hawkeye15
04-18-2017, 09:22 AM
i agree about the lakers, they have some guys with promise, but i mean, were they not just talking about trading russel like a few months ago, and ingram has not show enough to say he can be built around. The rest of these guys are meh, ive never liked randle who is a guy who has no off hand (inexcusable for an nba player ) clarkson isnt bad, but i would not clasify him as a starter even myself. Fringe starter maybe.

The Lakers have some guys with promise, but I would take the under all day on any of them becoming "star" players.

warfelg
04-18-2017, 09:59 AM
What if you did 22 years and younger. The physical maturity for these players for the most part will be more drastic.

Bucks
Maker
Jabari
Giannis
Vaughn

Minnesota
Towns
Wiggins
Jones
Lavine

Philly
Simmons
TLC
Okafor

Suns
Bender
Chriss
Booker
Ulis
Derrick Jones

LA
Ingram
Randle
Russell
Zubac
Ennis

Denver
Jokic
Harris
Murray
Mudiay
Hernangomez
Beasley

Side note, nothing to do with helping the case, but Jamal Murray played the entire season with a sports hernia. Pretty nuts in this time of the league.

22 is quite arbitrary considering it takes out 2 HUGE parts of the Sixers in Dario and Embiid.

TheDish87
04-18-2017, 10:52 AM
players on rookie deals is the best way to put it.

Rocco007
04-18-2017, 11:20 AM
he isn't trolling he actually believes his own bull ****...

at one point this past season he said the Mozgov contract was better than the rudy gobert contract...

he actually posted that to the internet

Are you bringing the rest of the Mean Girls with you? You know you always need protection...

:cheer:

Rocco007
04-18-2017, 11:25 AM
Cerebrally handicapped, since the R-word is asterisked out.

I literally can't with this guy. Not sure why anyone's responding, he's CLEARLY trolling. Don't feed the trolls and they go in search of attention elsewhere.

Just because you don't agree, doesn't make it trolling...I'm hitting you over the head with facts until you are dizzy or tap out... You are welcomed to chime in constructively...

Haters hate, Liars lie and only the weak complain..

TheDish87
04-18-2017, 11:28 AM
the only fact that you provided is that the lakers have a bunch of young players lol

MILLERHIGHLIFE
04-18-2017, 12:14 PM
Giannis, Parker, Maker, Brogdon, Vaughn nice pieces. Brogdon is the oldest at 24 but was NBA ready from day 1 and showed. Also a starter as a second round pick. Shame Parker got injured twice now in 3 seasons.

Rocco007
04-18-2017, 01:36 PM
Giannis, Parker, Maker, Brogdon, Vaughn nice pieces. Brogdon is the oldest at 24 but was NBA ready from day 1 and showed. Also a starter as a second round pick. Shame Parker got injured twice now in 3 seasons.

Again, we deeper than Milwaukee...But Mil has nice young pieces to go along with some good vets...Collectively Better core than Minny...more cohesive skillsets...IMO...Maker is only young on paper though. He plays like he's 35...

TheDish87
04-18-2017, 02:45 PM
if LA is so deep why were you so awful? being able to play 10 guys doesnt mean your deep. no one had a standout season, no one. they all underachieved or sucked except Zubac and maybe Clarkson. Lakers stink, get over it and pray you keep your pick this year.

Rocco007
04-18-2017, 04:37 PM
My man Thibs is losing his patience and Deng will be wearing a Minny uni next season...Play some Damn Deng-Dieng DEFENSE...
Thanks Andrew WigWorm!!! You DA MAN!!!

:laugh2:

Rocco007
04-18-2017, 04:41 PM
if LA is so deep why were you so awful? being able to play 10 guys doesnt mean your deep. no one had a standout season, no one. they all underachieved or sucked except Zubac and maybe Clarkson. Lakers stink, get over it and pray you keep your pick this year.

1st year under Luke Walton, we didn't start our young guys day 1 this season...Overall we're a young team but we played better as the year went on.....very simple...You will see a much better performance next year...no excuses...We have high bball IQ players...we get it...we understand the mission...We didn't have alot of wins to show but we beat very good teams this year and played very good teams real tough...

One Nut Kruk
04-18-2017, 06:49 PM
WigWorm. Another beauty !

Whatever your day job is, quit it now !

One Nut Kruk
04-18-2017, 06:55 PM
I also love the use of "We".

Glad you guys believe in yourselves

TheDish87
04-19-2017, 09:07 AM
1st year under Luke Walton, we didn't start our young guys day 1 this season...Overall we're a young team but we played better as the year went on.....very simple...You will see a much better performance next year...no excuses...We have high bball IQ players...we get it...we understand the mission...We didn't have alot of wins to show but we beat very good teams this year and played very good teams real tough...

ummmmmmmm you were like 10-10 and won 16 games the rest of the season lol

Vinylman
04-19-2017, 09:16 AM
ummmmmmmm you were like 10-10 and won 16 games the rest of the season lol

don't cloud his narrative with facts...

TheDish87
04-19-2017, 09:35 AM
1st year under Luke Walton, we didn't start our young guys day 1 this season...Overall we're a young team but we played better as the year went on.....very simple...You will see a much better performance next year...no excuses...We have high bball IQ players...we get it...we understand the mission...We didn't have alot of wins to show but we beat very good teams this year and played very good teams real tough...

yeaaa ummmm you were 10-10 and won 16 games the rest of the season lol and sorry playing teams tough who dont take you seriously doesnt count for anything. you are just spweing homer bull **** left and right based on nothing. notice not one LAL fan has defended you this entire time??!?!!?!?

Rocco007
04-19-2017, 01:16 PM
yeaaa ummmm you were 10-10 and won 16 games the rest of the season lol and sorry playing teams tough who dont take you seriously doesnt count for anything. you are just spweing homer bull **** left and right based on nothing. notice not one LAL fan has defended you this entire time??!?!!?!?

The sad thing is you quoted me twice and you still can't read...you're so anxious to make a point...:laugh2:

1.We didn't start our young guys day 1!!!!!!!!!
2.We didn't have alot of wins to show but we beat very good teams and played very good teams real tough!!!!

That's plain as day dude...

When we finally started our young guys and sat Mozgov, Deng and Nick Young and traded Lou Williams...our team started to take shape..everybody's numbers went up and played better after the Allstar game especially...

Clarkson, Ingram, Russell, Randle, Zubac, Nance jr, Black, TRob, hell even Ennis and David Nwaba...all had career games...we got to see what we really have...

The same feeling you have right now is the same feeling LAL posters get...it's competitive in our Forum..
I don't discriminate...
Everybody gets their arses handed to them in a taco shell...I don't need back up like that crazy chick that keeps following me around Vinylman...

TheDish87
04-19-2017, 01:24 PM
lololool my man every ****** team in the league has some good wins on the resume and some tough losses to good teams thats nothing to brag about. youre team stinks and unless a major move is made (DOUBTFUL) you are going to be in the bottom 5 again next year.all you did was name everyone on the Lakers minus Swaggy, Deng, and Moz who are set to make over 37 mil combined next year alone ahahahahahah ouch.

Vinylman
04-19-2017, 01:54 PM
The sad thing is you quoted me twice and you still can't read...you're so anxious to make a point...:laugh2:

1.We didn't start our young guys day 1!!!!!!!!!
2.We didn't have alot of wins to show but we beat very good teams and played very good teams real tough!!!!

That's plain as day dude...

When we finally started our young guys and sat Mozgov, Deng and Nick Young and traded Lou Williams...our team started to take shape..everybody's numbers went up and played better after the Allstar game especially...

Clarkson, Ingram, Russell, Randle, Zubac, Nance jr, Black, TRob, hell even Ennis and David Nwaba...all had career games...we got to see what we really have...

The same feeling you have right now is the same feeling LAL posters get...it's competitive in our Forum..
I don't discriminate...
Everybody gets their arses handed to them in a taco shell...I don't need back up like that crazy chick that keeps following me around Vinylman...

another illogical post ... another deflection

rinse repeat

Rocco007
04-19-2017, 01:57 PM
lololool my man every ****** team in the league has some good wins on the resume and some tough losses to good teams thats nothing to brag about. youre team stinks and unless a major move is made (DOUBTFUL) you are going to be in the bottom 5 again next year.all you did was name everyone on the Lakers minus Swaggy, Deng, and Moz who are set to make over 37 mil combined next year alone ahahahahahah ouch.

Somebody tell me when did the 76ers become a fuggin contender???? WTF!!!
Dude you are a PHILLYFAN...relax!!! you have won nothing and been nothing...in like forEVER!!!
You're the NBA blackhole...unless you draft and force someone to your team...NOBODY wants to GO THERE!!!
You have players you drafted and players nobody else wanted...stay in your place!!!
Go kick rocks with bare feet!!!

TheDish87
04-19-2017, 02:25 PM
i never said the Sixers were good but you know as well as i do if we are 100% healthy next year we will be pushing for the playoffs. I forgot the Lakers are still this glorified franchise players flock to play for, oh wait. you know whats funny too, we signed FA's ont he same tier but we didnt have to offer above market value to get them to sign loolol. Dengs next highest offer was only 11 mil ahahahaha while we got Gerald Henderson for just 9 over only 3 years.

you ran your mouth before the season like a fool and came out an even bigger one. now youre trying to do it all over again but you dont even have a leg to stand on this time now that the games have been played and the Lakers were a laughing stock.

warfelg
04-19-2017, 02:34 PM
i never said the Sixers were good but you know as well as i do if we are 100% healthy next year we will be pushing for the playoffs. I forgot the Lakers are still this glorified franchise players flock to play for, oh wait. you know whats funny too, we signed FA's ont he same tier but we didnt have to offer above market value to get them to sign loolol. Dengs next highest offer was only 11 mil ahahahaha while we got Gerald Henderson for just 9 over only 3 years.

you ran your mouth before the season like a fool and came out an even bigger one. now youre trying to do it all over again but you dont even have a leg to stand on this time now that the games have been played and the Lakers were a laughing stock.

That was Bayless that was $9mil over 3 years.

Henderson was a 1+1 with like $8 mil in each year.

TheDish87
04-19-2017, 03:12 PM
Hendo did get 9 just basically for 2 the 3 was a typo on my part. Point is still the same. you cant say no one wants to come to Philly when LA had to go way over market value for crap players that no one else was going to offer anything close to.

we added Sergio, Hendo, Bayless all for under 10 each on short term deals.

warfelg
04-19-2017, 03:35 PM
Hendo did get 9 just basically for 2 the 3 was a typo on my part. Point is still the same. you cant say no one wants to come to Philly when LA had to go way over market value for crap players that no one else was going to offer anything close to.

we added Sergio, Hendo, Bayless all for under 10 each on short term deals.

Yea I get the point.

But yea, it's not that players don't want to come here. We were capped out for a long time then rebuilding for a long time. Neither of those have to do with guys not wanting to sign with us and everything to do with the fact that we didn't have the ability to sign any of them. Then we made stupid draft picks, stupid trades, and paid those stupid players a stupid amount.

I'm sure in AIs prime if we had the cap space we could have signed plenty of good FAs. We just never had the ability.

Rocco007
04-19-2017, 05:48 PM
The Keystone Coppers... :facepalm:

More-Than-Most
04-19-2017, 06:31 PM
I feel bad for lakers fans lol... For some odd reason I wanna go in and tell hydro of our forum I love him and I am sorry for ever calling him annoying.

One Nut Kruk
04-19-2017, 06:38 PM
This guy is psychotic

More-Than-Most
04-19-2017, 06:40 PM
This guy is psychotic

he is the hero PSD needs.... Not kidding if me and you can come together over something like this then this dude needs to be a ****ing mod lol.... Bringing people together :love:

One Nut Kruk
04-19-2017, 07:05 PM
I thought we were buds now. I love you man

Rocco007
04-19-2017, 07:58 PM
76ers won 10 games last season and 28 games this season but the LA Lakers STINK...:clap:
The Hypetrain is one helluva a drug!!!
Minnyfan last year now it's Phillyfan hoisting the trophy...:laugh2:
Is it a coincidence that the 2 thirstiest acting franchises are also the 2 most notorious NBA bottom dwellers?
I get it...
Coulda, woulda, shoulda...
if, buts and candy rings..
slow your roll...you haven't done a fuggin thing!!!
:hi5:

One Nut Kruk
04-19-2017, 08:35 PM
I'm a Pistons fan and they stink. And I know it.

More-Than-Most
04-19-2017, 08:45 PM
76ers won 10 games last season and 28 games this season but the LA Lakers STINK...:clap:
The Hypetrain is one helluva a drug!!!
Minnyfan last year now it's Phillyfan hoisting the trophy...:laugh2:
Is it a coincidence that the 2 thirstiest acting franchises are also the 2 most notorious NBA bottom dwellers?
I get it...
Coulda, woulda, shoulda...
if, buts and candy rings..
slow your roll...you haven't done a fuggin thing!!!
:hi5:

we have been tanking for like 4 seasons... in that span we have like 7 less wins than the lakers... really think about that.

Rocco007
04-19-2017, 11:01 PM
we have been tanking for like 4 seasons... in that span we have like 7 less wins than the lakers... really think about that.

ok I've thought about it...
Only Phillyfan would so unapologetically admit to the "PROCESS" of tanking for 4 fuggin years straight...
after this summer, when Noel and Okafor will both be off the roster...
and a little after Embiid is medically retired...
you will understand that the NBA gods have devinely spoken...
You don't deserve any prosperity...
Your Franchise is an embarrassment to all professional sports... and the fans that put up with it...
are even more pathetic...

Grand opening...Grand Closing!



:burn:

TheDish87
04-20-2017, 08:42 AM
lol this is now the 2nd time you thought Noel is currently on our team. you are delusional. really think about how bad and how hard you have been quietly tanking to have a similar record to us over the last 4 years. at least Philly and Minny have something to show for it going forward.

warfelg
04-20-2017, 09:45 AM
lol this is now the 2nd time you thought Noel is currently on our team. you are delusional. really think about how bad and how hard you have been quietly tanking to have a similar record to us over the last 4 years. at least Philly and Minny have something to show for it going forward.

Great point. Lakers have been 112-298 the last 5 years. The Sixers 93-317.

Whoop dee doo. Lakers won a hole 9 games more than us over 5 years, lol. 2 ****ing years per game.

TheDish87
04-20-2017, 10:57 AM
only 9 more wins and are giving us a top 5 pick this or next year! hahaha man this is awesome. and they are stuck with 2 of the worst contracts in the entire league.

Rocco007
04-20-2017, 11:28 AM
lol this is now the 2nd time you thought Noel is currently on our team.


You obviously have not been reading my posts or just have a hard time with the english language...
Noel was gifted to Dallas...Okafor will be given away this summer as well...By summer's end they will both be off your roster...
Embiid will be medically retired at some point...

Rocco007
04-20-2017, 11:37 AM
Great point. Lakers have been 112-298 the last 5 years. The Sixers 93-317.

Whoop dee doo. Lakers won a hole 9 games more than us over 5 years, lol. 2 ****ing years per game.

This is how losers think...

"We tanked on purpose...and you suffered through injuries, trades etc and trying to win for the fans and the city that deserve your effort...we don't need that kind of effort...it's useless...
we rather lose on purpose and hope we will draft some stars for the future...crossing my fingers this works out...hahhahhahha...I never thought losing on purpose would be this fun....wheeeeeeeeeee!!!!"

You unapologetically accept losing because you've never been a winner...
Lakerfans hate losing...and the ones that enjoy it are not true fans...
The Lakers as a proud franchise will never TANK ON PURPOSE!!!!EVER!!!
THEY RESPECT THEIR REPUTATION, PLAYERS AND FANS TOO MUCH!!!
We will deal with the consequences of the lottery and move on...There will always be options when you are one of the most successful franchises in all of sports!!!

warfelg
04-20-2017, 11:43 AM
This is how losers think...

"We tanked on purpose...and you suffered through injuries, trades etc and trying to win for the fans and the city that deserve your effort...we don't need that kind of effort...it's useless...
we rather lose on purpose and hope we will draft some stars for the future...crossing my fingers this works out...hahhahhahha...I never thought losing on purpose would be this fun....wheeeeeeeeeee!!!!"

You unapologetically accept losing because you've never been a winner...
Lakerfans hate losing...and the ones that enjoy it are not true fans...
The Lakers as a proud franchise will never TANK ON PURPOSE!!!!EVER!!!
THEY RESPECT THEIR REPUTATION, PLAYERS AND FANS TOO MUCH!!!
We will deal with the consequences of the lottery and move on...There will always be options when you are one of the most successful franchises in all of sports!!!

Never tank on purpose. Sad. Sit Moz and Deng healthy why?

Rocco007
04-20-2017, 11:47 AM
By the way...
Those stars are my flag are actually champion-CHIPS!!!!!
You friggin losers!!!

:burn:

TheDish87
04-20-2017, 12:22 PM
You obviously have not been reading my posts or just have a hard time with the english language...
Noel was gifted to Dallas...Okafor will be given away this summer as well...By summer's end they will both be off your roster...
Embiid will be medically retired at some point...

lol youre adorable. No one cares about Oak or Noel when we have Embiid/Simmons/Saric/our own top 5 pick aND possibly YOURE top 5 pick hahahahah

TheDish87
04-20-2017, 12:24 PM
By the way...
Those stars are my flag are actually champion-CHIPS!!!!!
You friggin losers!!!

:burn:

whats your record over the last 5 years? man that last ring has to feel like forever ago since you been tanking since the Howard fiasco.

Wisdom Listens
04-20-2017, 12:29 PM
My biggest regret is that we didn't start all of our young guys out of the gate...
Deng and Mosgov were bad moves...hindsight is always 20/20...They'll get moved...Nick Young and Lou Williams were great or at least very good this season... But I look at how we have played lately and wonder if this would have been our midpoint in the season...Everyone is engaged and locked in...
Ingram and Zubac are like 19, 20 years old...putting up numbers...You can't deny the talent that is there...
It's only a matter of time...
Randle has already carved out a reputation in this league...he's a man-child/bruiser...once that jay starts dropping consistently...look out...He's has all the tools to be another Draymond Green with better natural skills...
Tyler Ennis and David Nwaba look like unexpected gifts...We'll see what happens moving forward...
Thomas Robinson may have finally found a home...the dude puts up incredible numbers in limited minutes...
T Black may be the odd man out...
Nance jr is shooting 3s and midrange jays now...He just needs to stay healthy...
and when engaged Russell and Clarkson can do significant damage vs any backcourt in the NBA...
Time shall answer all questions...

I wonder if you would have such a love affair with all of these players if they weren't on the Lakers. There is no doubt in my mind if the Lakers had Towns/Wiggins/Lavine you would be saying they have the best young core. No doubt whatsoever.

Vinylman
04-20-2017, 01:29 PM
Gotta keep this thread alive...

it is the gift that keeps on giving

Hawkeye15
04-20-2017, 01:49 PM
Gotta keep this thread alive...

it is the gift that keeps on giving

that it is Vinylman, that it is

Rocco007
04-20-2017, 03:25 PM
I wonder if you would have such a love affair with all of these players if they weren't on the Lakers. There is no doubt in my mind if the Lakers had Towns/Wiggins/Lavine you would be saying they have the best young core. No doubt whatsoever.

I like KAT for sure...We have common family...He plays the right way...He's smart and articulate...and has diverse skillset...and although he's not the most dynamic athletic big man...he gives you all he has...

Andrew Wigworm is a different story...He's actually the opposite of KAT..He's probably as physically gifted as anyone in the NBA... and I'm not sure if it's a Foreign Canadian thing but he's soft mentally and physically...and his motor is weak...I question his IQ for the game...he always seems lost...AS a diehard Kobefan..he would frustrate the hell out of me...He would've been traded to Indiana for PG13...or SAC for DCousins months ago...

Lavine is a scorer...undersized as a 2 and too dumb to play 1...But he's from the LA area so I think he would perform better in a Laker UNI...also Luke Walton's offense is taylor made for his game...He would be a good piece...basically the same role as Clarkson...6th man...

But no way would I think this is the best young core in the NBA...I rather have who we have and how many we have by a long shot...

TheDish87
04-20-2017, 04:00 PM
you have nothing outside of Ingram lol. Russ stinks, Clarkson is a 6th man, Randle is ok and will be a good role player. Walton isnt a good coach either, i found it comical he even got offered the job in the first place.

Hawkeye15
04-20-2017, 05:04 PM
I like KAT for sure...We have common family...He plays the right way...He's smart and articulate...and has diverse skillset...and although he's not the most dynamic athletic big man...he gives you all he has...

Andrew Wigworm is a different story...He's actually the opposite of KAT..He's probably as physically gifted as anyone in the NBA... and I'm not sure if it's a Foreign Canadian thing but he's soft mentally and physically...and his motor is weak...I question his IQ for the game...he always seems lost...AS a diehard Kobefan..he would frustrate the hell out of me...He would've been traded to Indiana for PG13...or SAC for DCousins months ago...

Lavine is a scorer...undersized as a 2 and too dumb to play 1...But he's from the LA area so I think he would perform better in a Laker UNI...also Luke Walton's offense is taylor made for his game...He would be a good piece...basically the same role as Clarkson...6th man...

But no way would I think this is the best young core in the NBA...I rather have who we have and how many we have by a long shot...

The numbers and eye test show Ingram is not a star prospect. Randle is an undersized, under the rim, average IQ big man (I watched him try to go coast to coast, ala Anthony Mason, like 5 times this year). They tend to top out, the Lakers have to pray for Zach Randolph from him at best. Clarkson/Russell are overlaps, one needs to go (Clarkson probably). Russell looks like he might be a quality starter offensively at some point. The Lakers youth is nowhere near good enough to compete by growing and letting it become what it will be, they will top out as a mediocre team at best.

Honestly, they should pray to god they keep their pick this year, they need to hit it, no matter what if they get it, and maybe they need to sell high on Ingram and trade him now.

Rocco007
04-20-2017, 05:42 PM
you have nothing outside of Ingram lol. Russ stinks, Clarkson is a 6th man, Randle is ok and will be a good role player. Walton isnt a good coach either, i found it comical he even got offered the job in the first place.

Dude you've been chewed up, spit out and Taco Belled on a Taco Shell...
Do your reputation a favor and go recharge your batteries...

#purplepeopleeater


:smoking:

One Nut Kruk
04-20-2017, 05:45 PM
Yeah us Canadians are very soft physically and mentally.

Might want to flip on a hockey game.

warfelg
04-20-2017, 05:48 PM
Yeah us Canadians are very soft physically and mentally.

Might want to flip on a hockey game.

As a lacrosse player, hockey players scare the **** out of me.

One Nut Kruk
04-20-2017, 07:54 PM
Funny you say that because lacrosse players do the same to me

warfelg
04-20-2017, 09:23 PM
Funny you say that because lacrosse players do the same to me

Is it the Brah-ness of it? The willingness to just punch someone in the face scared me about hockey.

One Nut Kruk
04-21-2017, 12:09 AM
Is it the Brah-ness of it? The willingness to just punch someone in the face scared me about hockey.

Well I think it's indoor lacrosse where I come from and I'm pretty sure there are fights in that too. The hockey players I know that also played lacrosse were tough as nails. I was more of a finesse hockey player. Got into my share of fights as Sometimes you didn't really have much of a choice but it wasn't my favourite thing lol. But it's also a part of the reason why I love the game. If you wanna act tough, you're gonna have to back it up.

TheDish87
04-21-2017, 08:57 AM
Dude you've been chewed up, spit out and Taco Belled on a Taco Shell...
Do your reputation a favor and go recharge your batteries...

#purplepeopleeater


:smoking:

lol

warfelg
04-21-2017, 09:57 AM
lol

Dude. Championships. Doesn't matter how much they suck. They have championships.

TheDish87
04-21-2017, 11:05 AM
i mean we have rings too.

Rocco007
04-21-2017, 12:38 PM
Yeah us Canadians are very soft physically and mentally.

Might want to flip on a hockey game.

Wasn't Anthony Bennett aka the biggest bust in NBA History...Built like an Adonis but played like a punching Judy...soft mentally and physically....
ALSO CANADIAN???
Stick to Hockey!!!
No Pun intended!!!

Rocco007
04-21-2017, 12:56 PM
The numbers and eye test show Ingram is not a star prospect. Randle is an undersized, under the rim, average IQ big man (I watched him try to go coast to coast, ala Anthony Mason, like 5 times this year). They tend to top out, the Lakers have to pray for Zach Randolph from him at best. Clarkson/Russell are overlaps, one needs to go (Clarkson probably). Russell looks like he might be a quality starter offensively at some point. The Lakers youth is nowhere near good enough to compete by growing and letting it become what it will be, they will top out as a mediocre team at best.

Honestly, they should pray to god they keep their pick this year, they need to hit it, no matter what if they get it, and maybe they need to sell high on Ingram and trade him now.

Funny how the you guys have scouted Julius Randle...Damn...:laugh2:

I'm going to just say it's pure Laker Hatred and not lack of NBA knowledge...some of you guys are actually smart but that all stops when we talk Lakers...
I get it...
People love to hate us...
I'm also a NY Yankee fan...Ditto there too...

Brandon Ingram is 19 years old dude...
and I can tell you right now...without a shadow of a doubt...
He will be a better NBA player than Andrew Wigworm...
He's probably the most untouchable of our young players...
He will be working out with the GOAT this summer...
If you need proof of what that means...
See Kawhi Leonard and Gordon Haywood's game improvement after a summer with Kobe...
The Lakers have the Greatest Competitor and student of the game training our young core...
we will be just fine...

LAS VEGAS – With the ball in his hands, Lakers forward Julius Randle stared straight ahead at one of his mentors, but he didn’t look intimidated by Draymond Green’s formidable presence.

Instead, Randle charged past him. After drawing a foul on the Golden State Warriors’ All-Star forward, Randle shouted four words that quickly went viral.

“He can’t guard me!,” Randle said, shaking his head dismissively.

The Lakers play host to the Golden State Warriors in a preseason game Wednesday at San Diego Sports Arena nearly a year after that episode took place at the same venue.

Randle acknowledged “there’s a little more juice when I compete against him” because of a relationship he described as both a “friendly rivalry and mentorship.” Yet, Randle expressed a foggy memory about the incident before saying “it’s in the past.”

Green, though, has not forgotten.

After seeing the video clip on Twitter shortly after it happened, Green said his respect for Randle deepened. Green believes Randle “can be real special,” raving about his length, athleticism and playmaking. Green also said he considers the comparisons between him and Randle “cool.” Those comparisons have been drawn more frequently with Randle’s expected emergence under new Lakers coach Luke Walton, who spent the previous two seasons as a Golden State assistant.

Will Randle validate those comparisons?

“I think he can. I also think he has the potential to be better,” Green said. “With the God-given gifts he has, he has the potential to be better. I’ll continue to grow. I’ll never stop working and I’ll continue to get better. But what is he, 21? That’s a lot of time to continue to grow.”

TheDish87
04-21-2017, 01:46 PM
you keep feeding us a bunch of horse **** and have yet to back any of it up. All you do is say my guys are good and thats it and you expect anyone to take you seriously? You can find quotes from opposing players and coaches being complimentary of any team in the league lol.

Rocco007
04-21-2017, 03:39 PM
you keep feeding us a bunch of horse **** and have yet to back any of it up. All you do is say my guys are good and thats it and you expect anyone to take you seriously? You can find quotes from opposing players and coaches being complimentary of any team in the league lol.

-------------------------------------------------------
Greg Beacham
✔ ‎@gregbeacham

The Lakers say D'Angelo Russell is the youngest NBA player to get 40 points and 6 assists with fewer than 2 turnovers since ... LeBron James

12:32 AM - 20 Mar 2017
-----------------------------------------------

This is the guy you say has no upside and will not be a star...:laugh2:

It doesn't matter if I'm putting up quotes, scouting reports or stats...

You simply don't understand the game of basketball...

TheDish87
04-21-2017, 04:36 PM
he shot 40% lol he aint going to be a star his IQ is too low and hes not a good enough athlete. He will end up a decent scoring guard. you singling out the best game of his career doesnt change anything lol we can do that for a lot of mediocre players.

heat3X
04-21-2017, 04:42 PM
D'Angelo russell is the only player in league history to snapchat out a picture saying that a teammate is cheating on his rapper fiance. Only player in league history you guys!!!! Elite! You are just haters.

#purplepeopleeater

tp13baby
04-21-2017, 04:42 PM
Funny how the you guys have scouted Julius Randle...Damn...:laugh2:

I'm going to just say it's pure Laker Hatred and not lack of NBA knowledge...some of you guys are actually smart but that all stops when we talk Lakers...
I get it...
People love to hate us...
I'm also a NY Yankee fan...Ditto there too...

Brandon Ingram is 19 years old dude...
and I can tell you right now...without a shadow of a doubt...
He will be a better NBA player than Andrew Wigworm...
He's probably the most untouchable of our young players...
He will be working out with the GOAT this summer...
If you need proof of what that means...
See Kawhi Leonard and Gordon Haywood's game improvement after a summer with Kobe...
The Lakers have the Greatest Competitor and student of the game training our young core...
we will be just fine...

LAS VEGAS – With the ball in his hands, Lakers forward Julius Randle stared straight ahead at one of his mentors, but he didn’t look intimidated by Draymond Green’s formidable presence.

Instead, Randle charged past him. After drawing a foul on the Golden State Warriors’ All-Star forward, Randle shouted four words that quickly went viral.

“He can’t guard me!,” Randle said, shaking his head dismissively.

The Lakers play host to the Golden State Warriors in a preseason game Wednesday at San Diego Sports Arena nearly a year after that episode took place at the same venue.

Randle acknowledged “there’s a little more juice when I compete against him” because of a relationship he described as both a “friendly rivalry and mentorship.” Yet, Randle expressed a foggy memory about the incident before saying “it’s in the past.”

Green, though, has not forgotten.

After seeing the video clip on Twitter shortly after it happened, Green said his respect for Randle deepened. Green believes Randle “can be real special,” raving about his length, athleticism and playmaking. Green also said he considers the comparisons between him and Randle “cool.” Those comparisons have been drawn more frequently with Randle’s expected emergence under new Lakers coach Luke Walton, who spent the previous two seasons as a Golden State assistant.

Will Randle validate those comparisons?

“I think he can. I also think he has the potential to be better,” Green said. “With the God-given gifts he has, he has the potential to be better. I’ll continue to grow. I’ll never stop working and I’ll continue to get better. But what is he, 21? That’s a lot of time to continue to grow.”

So what? John Calipari thinks Jamal Murray will be Steph Curry 2.0.

Bill Walton and Isiah Thomas compared Jokic to Magic Johnson.


-------------------------------------------------------
Greg Beacham
✔ ‎@gregbeacham

The Lakers say D'Angelo Russell is the youngest NBA player to get 40 points and 6 assists with fewer than 2 turnovers since ... LeBron James

12:32 AM - 20 Mar 2017
-----------------------------------------------

This is the guy you say has no upside and will not be a star...:laugh2:

It doesn't matter if I'm putting up quotes, scouting reports or stats...

You simply don't understand the game of basketball...



I could go on about Jokic and historical success that makes Russels season look bad. I won't.

Stop knit-picking single games or quotes. Look at a collective season, Russell is considered an average player, clarkson is inefficient, Ingram showed improvement in the second half but overall had a **** rookie campaign. Randle didn't improve significantly from last year. Zubac was arguably your best 25 and younger player.

Thank god players improve in the offseason cause yours need it.

Rocco007
04-21-2017, 04:52 PM
he shot 40% lol he aint going to be a star his IQ is too low and hes not a good enough athlete. He will end up a decent scoring guard. you singling out the best game of his career doesnt change anything lol we can do that for a lot of mediocre players.

Kobe Bryant on D’Angelo Russell: “He’s such an intelligent basketball player.”
12:36 AM - 26 Mar 2016

Kobe's opinion>over anyone else's
Again you know nothing about the game of basketball...you are just a front running fan that likes to watch men play...

Hawkeye15
04-21-2017, 04:55 PM
Funny how the you guys have scouted Julius Randle...Damn...:laugh2:

I'm going to just say it's pure Laker Hatred and not lack of NBA knowledge...some of you guys are actually smart but that all stops when we talk Lakers...
I get it...
People love to hate us...
I'm also a NY Yankee fan...Ditto there too...

Brandon Ingram is 19 years old dude...
and I can tell you right now...without a shadow of a doubt...
He will be a better NBA player than Andrew Wigworm...
He's probably the most untouchable of our young players...
He will be working out with the GOAT this summer...
If you need proof of what that means...
See Kawhi Leonard and Gordon Haywood's game improvement after a summer with Kobe...
The Lakers have the Greatest Competitor and student of the game training our young core...
we will be just fine...

LAS VEGAS – With the ball in his hands, Lakers forward Julius Randle stared straight ahead at one of his mentors, but he didn’t look intimidated by Draymond Green’s formidable presence.

Instead, Randle charged past him. After drawing a foul on the Golden State Warriors’ All-Star forward, Randle shouted four words that quickly went viral.

“He can’t guard me!,” Randle said, shaking his head dismissively.

The Lakers play host to the Golden State Warriors in a preseason game Wednesday at San Diego Sports Arena nearly a year after that episode took place at the same venue.

Randle acknowledged “there’s a little more juice when I compete against him” because of a relationship he described as both a “friendly rivalry and mentorship.” Yet, Randle expressed a foggy memory about the incident before saying “it’s in the past.”

Green, though, has not forgotten.

After seeing the video clip on Twitter shortly after it happened, Green said his respect for Randle deepened. Green believes Randle “can be real special,” raving about his length, athleticism and playmaking. Green also said he considers the comparisons between him and Randle “cool.” Those comparisons have been drawn more frequently with Randle’s expected emergence under new Lakers coach Luke Walton, who spent the previous two seasons as a Golden State assistant.

Will Randle validate those comparisons?

“I think he can. I also think he has the potential to be better,” Green said. “With the God-given gifts he has, he has the potential to be better. I’ll continue to grow. I’ll never stop working and I’ll continue to get better. But what is he, 21? That’s a lot of time to continue to grow.”

I am not going to bother reading your drivel dude. If you want to tire your arm out nightly jerking off to news quips of your favorite Lakers past and present, go for it. But nobody is onboard with your "assessments".

Hawkeye15
04-21-2017, 04:56 PM
Kobe Bryant on D’Angelo Russell: “He’s such an intelligent basketball player.”
12:36 AM - 26 Mar 2016

Kobe's opinion>over anyone else's
Again you know nothing about the game of basketball...you are just a front running fan that likes to watch men play...

..............


“Yeah, it was a strange feeling, because I remember being Andrew Wiggins,” Bryant said. “I remember playing against Michael my first year. To be here tonight and to play against him, seeing the baby face and the little footwork or little technique things that he’s going to be much sharper at as time goes on -- it was like looking at a reflection of myself 19 years ago. It was pretty cool.”

One Nut Kruk
04-21-2017, 05:02 PM
I'm sure I could give you a list of American basketball players who are softer than baby **** if I gave a ****.

Rocco007
04-21-2017, 05:06 PM
..............

He took one move off of Kobe...spin pivot fade away...too bad that's all he learned.
Actually I'm not sure I've seen it again since that game..
:laugh2:

Rocco007
04-21-2017, 05:08 PM
I'm sure I could give you a list of American basketball players who are softer than baby **** if I gave a ****.

You shouldn't give a ****. You are Philly fan...

Rocco007
04-21-2017, 05:15 PM
I am not going to bother reading your drivel dude. If you want to tire your arm out nightly jerking off to news quips of your favorite Lakers past and present, go for it. But nobody is onboard with your "assessments".

You're right...You guys are either on board that 2016 Minny or that new shiny 2017 Philly Hypetrain...
CHOO CHOO!!!! All aboard!!!


:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

Hawkeye15
04-21-2017, 05:15 PM
He took one move off of Kobe...spin pivot fade away...too bad that's all he learned.
Actually I'm not sure I've seen it again since that game..
:laugh2:



yea but



Kobe's opinion>over anyone else's
Again you know nothing about the game of basketball...you are just a front running fan that likes to watch men play...

Hawkeye15
04-21-2017, 05:16 PM
You're right...You guys are either on board that 2016 Minny or that new shiny 2017 Philly Hypetrain...
CHOO CHOO!!!! All aboard!!!


:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

or we just think you suck at evaluating talent

Rocco007
04-21-2017, 05:34 PM
Plenty of reasons. Wiggins hasn't developed at all.

Well it sounds like he even fooled Kobe for one night...But he can't fool us!!!!.... right???... :hi5:

One Nut Kruk
04-21-2017, 06:11 PM
You shouldn't give a ****. You are Philly fan...

No, I'm not actually. Already said who I'm a fan of in a previous post. And that is also irrelevant.

But nice comeback. You sound like a 12 year old.

Rocco007
04-21-2017, 06:42 PM
No, I'm not actually. Already said who I'm a fan of in a previous post. And that is also irrelevant.

But nice comeback. You sound like a 12 year old.

Poof!!!...another one bites the dust...go recharge your batteries bro...

#purplepeopleeater

:burn:

More-Than-Most
04-21-2017, 07:00 PM
Kobe Bryant on D’Angelo Russell: “He’s such an intelligent basketball player.”
12:36 AM - 26 Mar 2016

Kobe's opinion>over anyone else's
Again you know nothing about the game of basketball...you are just a front running fan that likes to watch men play...

So if this is true and kobe opinion means all.. Kobe thinks Embiid is going to be incredible and thinks ben simmons is amazing BEFORE simmons and Ingram were even drafted.

"I think he's a fantastic player," Bryant said of Simmons. "I think he has obviously a tremendous amount of potential


So by your definition we are in the best position ever because Kobe is a genius

Also if we go by our history lets look at what he says about Iverson? Kobe Studied Iverson more than anyone else... So damn now our history must be amazing right?

More-Than-Most
04-21-2017, 07:01 PM
Poof!!!...another one bites the dust...go recharge your batteries bro...

#purplepeopleeater

:burn:

Same Old same Old... You give a out there opinion with insane bias... Bring no weight to back it up... get called out on and bring no wait to your rebuttal and then throw a one liner about thinking you roasted someone in your dream world... I love you.

One Nut Kruk
04-21-2017, 07:09 PM
He got me....I guess.

heat3X
04-21-2017, 07:41 PM
Again, there is not 1 elite skill on the entire lakers roster. The people who he keeps bringing up are the guys from the warriors and a few other guys without realizing that even the guys who took a few years to become stars had obviously apparent elite skills from the very first minute they were in the nba. No one is expecting Ingram, Russell, or Randle to be stars in their first year or 2, but they have not 1 elite skill among the 3 of them.

Curry and Thompson were elite shooters immediately. Embiid is a generational big and that was apparent from his first minute this year, granted he has injury issues. Simmons has elite level passing even though he hasnt played yet. Towns has multiple elite level skills and it was apparent from his first minute in the league. Some of those guys were obviously stars immediately. But the ones who werent had skills that could be called elite immediately.

Russell is an above average PG in a league full of PG's right now. Randle is a below the rim PF who is nothing special. Ingram was a disaster his first year, granted he is still young and has tons of potential, but the point of this thread is not who has potential, it is who has the best young core, and LA's core isnt even obviously good yet, let alone one of the best young cores in the NBA. They have a 52% chance of losing their first round pick, and if they do, they will be set back for years to come. Continue to put your eggs in the free agency basket. In the new CBA that is a really poor thing to count on given the contracts that guys have the potential to get on their old team vs their new team.

Russell especially is really nothing special in the scope of all other PG's in the league. The league has an overabundance of PG's, and Russell doesnt really do anything at a high level. Do you know how easy it is to find guys who put up inefficient numbers on terrible teams?

Where does he stand in the scope of PG's around the league? I'll name all the PG's that are currently better than him and the ones who have higher potential than him: IT, CP3, Bledsoe, Lowry, Kyrie, Conley, Holliday, Kemba, Rubio, Westbrook, Lillard, Wall, Dragic. And that is just based off looking at team names and not going to each individual roster so im sure im missing a few, not to mention we have a draft full of great PG's in Lonzo, Fultz, and possibly Smith and Fox.

I'll shut up when you can name 1 elite skill that any Laker currently has. You cant because there is none, so you resort to posting nonsense cliche quotes from guys who are already members of the Lakers organization or are lakers legends. Pat Riley praised Dion waiters the other guy as a potentially elite 2 guard, does that make it something that is likely to happen? No, im a heat fan and i can tell you Dion Waiters will never be an elite player just because members of the organization public heap praise on someone.

But please continue to post youtube highlight reels that literally every nba player has as evidence of anything.

heat3X
04-21-2017, 08:02 PM
There are 17 other guys who put up Russells stat line of >15.6 PPG, 4.8 APG, 40.5% from the field and 35% from 3 in their first or 2nd years- Damon Stoudemire, Kenny smith, Stephon Marbury, MArk Price, among lots of other superstars, but Russell has by far the least amount of win shares. Lebron leads that list with 14.3 win shares in his second year, Steve Smith is 17th of 18 with 3.5 win shares. Russell? 1.3. You could triple Russells win shares and he would still only be 16th on that list and be just ahead of Marbury and Steve Smith. He is not a superstar and nothing he has done shows that.