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JasonJohnHorn
02-26-2017, 08:26 PM
I've been reading articles saying that this pairing has not started off smoothly and that they are running out of time?

Really?

This trade was clearly not about THIS year. A playoff spot is not likely. Two big men used to dominating the ball in the paint not clicking right away? That is to be expected. They can both pass, and they both have range (DMC a little more), so they will be able to open space up for each other once they get things sorted out.


Having given up their back court, it's clear that whatever they put up for the remained of the season will be a bandaid. The DMC/AD pairing has two purposes: to lure in a great coach in the offseason, and to lure in free agents.


Gentry was a mistake. Firing Monty was a mistake. But there is no sense crying over spilled milk, and there is no sense in a mid-season firing when the situation isn't good enough to lure a great coach. With DMC and AD, coaches will line up.


Free agency? Now they have a reason for Holiday to stay, and if he doesn't, plenty of other guards will see there is a reason to go to the Big Easy.



They question then, is not 'Should the Pels panic?', it's 'Which coaches would be the best fit for DMC and AD?' and 'Which players should look to head to New Orleans?'


What do you think? Who should be coaching these guys next year? Pop would be great, but he's not going anywhere. What players would be a good fit?

mike_noodles
02-26-2017, 08:33 PM
If they're panicking, they're fools. It's been a week. It's gonna take some time.

ewing
02-26-2017, 08:35 PM
Definitely to early to panic. I've never liked D.C. but I'm rooting for this pair. Variety is the spice of life. The NBA needs it. As for who would fit with them, it's a good question. I'll have to think about it. I think a solid ball handling pg that isn't ball dominate like George Hill would be ideal. Ill have to do some thinking about what is actually possible


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IndyRealist
02-26-2017, 08:55 PM
A week is too early to draw any conclusions, but I'm watching them right now and AD is at the 3pt line four plays in a row, including one where Cousins jacked up a 3 early in the clock. That's not good for anybody.

Scoots
02-26-2017, 09:29 PM
When this trade was announced and people were talking playoffs my first question was who were the wings going to be followed by how was Gentry going to coach those two. The answer appears to be ... not much and not much.

eDush
02-26-2017, 09:45 PM
When this trade was announced and people were talking playoffs my first question was who were the wings going to be followed by how was Gentry going to coach those two. The answer appears to be ... not much and not much.That's how it was when he was on the Dubs staff too taking the credit to get the NOLO head job knowing they would fire Monty cause he was the only one they were considering. Pop and most coaches would never take that job under those conditions. And then he blames the players for lack of effort publicly game after game which Monty would never do instead of having them rely on one another like a close knit brotherhood or a family. I'm not sure if i can play for someone like that but I will try :facepalm:

LOb0
02-26-2017, 09:49 PM
Gentry is a horrible coach. Nothing is going to happen till he's out.

NYKnickFanatic
02-26-2017, 09:52 PM
I love seeing those two in a pick and roll together.

Dade County
02-26-2017, 09:55 PM
They need two 3&D guys.... And another two, 3 point specialist.

eDush
02-26-2017, 09:55 PM
Gentry is a horrible coach. Nothing is going to happen till he's out.Ever listen to him blaming his players during post games with the media instead of himself? That's how he is and hasn't learn anything during his time in Golden State :(

Dade County
02-26-2017, 09:58 PM
Gentry is a horrible coach. Nothing is going to happen till he's out.

Waiting on free agency to see if he can get some players

Raps18-19 Champ
02-26-2017, 10:00 PM
It was more about next year. Their wings are pure garbage.

LOb0
02-26-2017, 10:31 PM
Ever listen to him blaming his players during post games with the media instead of himself? That's how he is and hasn't learn anything during his time in Golden State :(

I'll never forget when this idiot was coach of the Suns in the playoffs. Kobe was hot as hell he refused to double him play after play and his excuse was "Was that Kobe or Jordan out there?"

He's one of those no defense, walk all over coaches.

eDush
02-26-2017, 10:46 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14398092/coach-alvin-gentry-blasts-new-orleans-pelicans-another-loss

Jamiecballer
02-27-2017, 01:36 AM
I don't see this pairing being a particularly successful one. That said it's just a tad too early to hit the panic button.

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More-Than-Most
02-27-2017, 02:10 AM
again if they got the 8 seed i thought they would match up well against the warriors but lose without ever really putting fear into the warriors... I never expected them to get the 8th seed... Nobody should... Its literally the hardest thing in the world to do is add a big next to another big and expect greatness without chemistry and work... I dont care who the bigs are... This is why the warriors adding durant was so huge because they filled a need with the perfect player that could fill right in... this though will take time... the pelicans need to just use this season as a stepping stone and force feed them and give 2 ***** about wins... also holiday has been **** the past 3 games.

kobe4thewinbang
02-27-2017, 02:43 AM
I heard on First Take that Gentry is a good coach, but popular opinion says otherwise. They need a defensive coach like a Carlisle (might get fired). I got him for my 2K Lakers. I mean, they need someone that will highlight these two bad boys down low and someone that peeps wanna play for in the offseason. Their GM got Cousins, so I'm not worried about that. Then again, their team has kind of sucked so I wonder how good the GM is. They need some 3&D guys or a solid SG that can keep things moving on the court. Gotta play half-court too. Think Pistons '04, but with AD & Cousins instead of Rasheed & Big Ben.

C/Cousins
PF/Davis
SF/?????
SG/Rip Hamilton-like player
PG/Jrue Holiday

Or just sign Chris Paul. Somehow. That would change things. Only if you lose Holiday I guess. Maybe Hayward goes there?

Heediot
02-27-2017, 07:03 AM
Two of the more over-rated players to me personally. They both put up pretty numbers, but I need to see more then fantasy points. I'll give it another year, there shouldn't be excuses for either about lack of help by then.

More-Than-Most
02-27-2017, 08:01 AM
Two of the more over-rated players to me personally. They both put up pretty numbers, but I need to see more then fantasy points. I'll give it another year, there shouldn't be excuses for either about lack of help by then.

what exactly is fantasy points? So is Giannis overrated and butler and PG13 and so on down the list who can barely keep their teams afloat? Its the same dumb logic that people used for Cousins... These players that put up these fantasy stats normally do it during the nuts of the game when it is close... Its not like these fantasy stats are put up only when a team has a 30 point lead on them.

I guess Towns is the biggest fantasy dolt in basketball? His team is one of the bigger disappointments and he has wiggins and had levine and rubio and etc etc etc... Unless you are lebron and are one of the GOATS it takes more than 1 player to get teams wins... Look at the thunder and westy... Westy is god like and their team is barely making the playoffs and will likely be one and done.

Heediot
02-27-2017, 09:29 AM
what exactly is fantasy points? So is Giannis overrated and butler and PG13 and so on down the list who can barely keep their teams afloat? Its the same dumb logic that people used for Cousins... These players that put up these fantasy stats normally do it during the nuts of the game when it is close... Its not like these fantasy stats are put up only when a team has a 30 point lead on them.

I guess Towns is the biggest fantasy dolt in basketball? His team is one of the bigger disappointments and he has wiggins and had levine and rubio and etc etc etc... Unless you are lebron and are one of the GOATS it takes more than 1 player to get teams wins... Look at the thunder and westy... Westy is god like and their team is barely making the playoffs and will likely be one and done.

My argument against Davis has always been, if your considered a top 5 guy (or borderline one), your team should show more then it does. You should be able to carry your team more then he is showing. Yes team mates and coaching matters and are legit factors, at the same time there are players that know how to elevate their team and do the subtle things that help produce wins. If he wasn't considered of so highly I wouldn't be critical.

DMC I am a little more lenient because he is a borderline top 10 guy so I have less expectations. I still think he needs to show more also, to a lesser degree vs. AD.

However high someone is ranked, the higher I think they should help elevate their teams and not just by individual stats. I would criticize Giannis the same way if he was kissed up on as much as AD.

Towns is considered a top 20 guy as of right now, so there is a big gap between AD and Towns' current rank.

Memphis team had comparable talent, and Marc Gasol keeps them a float. He may not even be considered top 15 or 20 by some for that matter.

Edit:

Towns and Minnesota is the perfect example to compare AD to. the Wolves aside from Cle and GS are the only team to have 3 20 plus scorers yet it doesn't translate on the wins column. They are also a team that potentially boasts two top 5 PG defenders, a potential top 5 wing defender, and a potential 5 rim protector. Yet they have blown too many 2nd half leads to count for this season. You can have all the talent in the world but without refinement, iq, and feel, the success might not translate. It's going to take some time for them to get there but they have the potential. Maybe AD needs more time to refine his game, he still hasn't hit his prime which is scary, I just don't like ranking him so high when his teams should show more.

Westbrook for a guy considered top 5, is justifying his spot with how his team is performing. Nearly 10 games above .500 in a strong conference is legit for what he has to work with.

ewing
02-27-2017, 09:34 AM
I didn't start watching til the 2nd quarter but apparently DMC did have a tech 30 sec into game last night. That's a little concerning.

Heediot
02-27-2017, 09:59 AM
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?918542-Your-top-15-players-currently

looking at the latest psd views on him, I'll lay off a of Davis a bit as he is sliding down the rankings. He was around top 5 in ranking earlier this year, but the general view is he slid a tad bit.

D-Leethal
02-27-2017, 11:10 AM
The pairing didn't make much sense to me to begin with.

Scoots
02-27-2017, 11:35 AM
I heard on First Take that Gentry is a good coach, but popular opinion says otherwise. They need a defensive coach like a Carlisle (might get fired). I got him for my 2K Lakers. I mean, they need someone that will highlight these two bad boys down low and someone that peeps wanna play for in the offseason. Their GM got Cousins, so I'm not worried about that. Then again, their team has kind of sucked so I wonder how good the GM is. They need some 3&D guys or a solid SG that can keep things moving on the court. Gotta play half-court too. Think Pistons '04, but with AD & Cousins instead of Rasheed & Big Ben.

C/Cousins
PF/Davis
SF/?????
SG/Rip Hamilton-like player
PG/Jrue Holiday

Or just sign Chris Paul. Somehow. That would change things. Only if you lose Holiday I guess. Maybe Hayward goes there?

Gentry is a good basketball coach, not sure he's a good head coach. I'm mostly not sure he is the right coach for this team the way it's built now. Add to that that it's really not a team built to any one philosophy.

Carlisle isn't getting fired.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2017, 11:48 AM
I mean, when the trade went through, I mentioned to anyone who will still listen to me, that it will probably take until next season for the Pels to figure out how to really utilize the duo, and to get the right guys around them.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2017, 11:49 AM
what exactly is fantasy points? So is Giannis overrated and butler and PG13 and so on down the list who can barely keep their teams afloat? Its the same dumb logic that people used for Cousins... These players that put up these fantasy stats normally do it during the nuts of the game when it is close... Its not like these fantasy stats are put up only when a team has a 30 point lead on them.

I guess Towns is the biggest fantasy dolt in basketball? His team is one of the bigger disappointments and he has wiggins and had levine and rubio and etc etc etc... Unless you are lebron and are one of the GOATS it takes more than 1 player to get teams wins... Look at the thunder and westy... Westy is god like and their team is barely making the playoffs and will likely be one and done.

fantasy doesn't care about defense, of which the Wolves don't play

Heediot
02-27-2017, 11:59 AM
fantasy doesn't care about defense, of which the Wolves don't play

The Wolves also have a top and renowned defensive coach, and they are still struggling on that end. Coaching is important but the onus is also on the individual players themselves. This isn't against anything you said, it's just to put perspective on my views of why Davis shouldn't be a top 5 ranked player. Lower end top 10 I can live with.

tp13baby
02-27-2017, 12:06 PM
Keep talking about guys putting up solid games but their wings and guards can't produce. They need good games from their role players and they aren't getting it.

IKnowHoops
02-27-2017, 12:21 PM
All they have to do is get rid of both Davis and Cousins and replace that with a Prime version of David Robinson and they would win 50 games all while instantaneously becoming top 8 in offense and defense.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2017, 12:23 PM
The Wolves also have a top and renowned defensive coach, and they are still struggling on that end. Coaching is important but the onus is also on the individual players themselves. This isn't against anything you said, it's just to put perspective on my views of why Davis shouldn't be a top 5 ranked player. Lower end top 10 I can live with.

Thib's defense is a specialized one, you can see some of it clicking, and then rotations just fall apart. Outside Rubio, we don't have anyone who is consistently a good defender. It will come. Just takes time.

Davis is a top 10 player, but I agree, he gets overrated at times, due to his advanced numbers. He clearly isn't a tier 1 player.

Scoots
02-27-2017, 01:09 PM
I mean, when the trade went through, I mentioned to anyone who will still listen to me, that it will probably take until next season for the Pels to figure out how to really utilize the duo, and to get the right guys around them.

lol. Know your audience :)

Hawkeye15
02-27-2017, 01:13 PM
lol. Know your audience :)

unfortunately my dog doesn't have an account on PSD

RLundi
02-27-2017, 01:34 PM
The pairing didn't make much sense to me to begin with.

My thoughts exactly.

eDush
02-27-2017, 03:36 PM
The pairing didn't make much sense to me to begin with.

My thoughts exactly.Yet so many thought the Pelicans rip the Kings off and should of giving up much more pieces. No one can win with a Starbury either no matter where he went.

Cousins value will end up like Lance Stephenson where he was look upon as a possible great player on his original team but once he play for another team, his value will drop and drop until he can barely find a team to take him and will make the bare minimum. The Pels will try to trade him next trading deadline and get even less than they give up for him :(.

:dance:

IndyRealist
02-27-2017, 03:39 PM
Yet so many thought the Pelicans rip the Kings off and should of giving up much more pieces. No one can win with a Starbury either no matter where he went.

Cousins value will end up like Lance Stephenson where he was look upon as a possible great player on his original team but once he play for another team, his value will drop and drop until he can barely find a team to take him and will make the bare minimum. The Pels will try to trade him next trading deadline and get even less than they give up for him :(.

:dance:

I don't think people realized how much work went into keeping Lance under control. At least Cousins is self motivated, he just makes poor decisions. Malone's the only one to get through to him so far.

eDush
02-27-2017, 03:57 PM
Yet so many thought the Pelicans rip the Kings off and should of giving up much more pieces. No one can win with a Starbury either no matter where he went.

Cousins value will end up like Lance Stephenson where he was look upon as a possible great player on his original team but once he play for another team, his value will drop and drop until he can barely find a team to take him and will make the bare minimum. The Pels will try to trade him next trading deadline and get even less than they give up for him :(.

:dance:

I don't think people realized how much work went into keeping Lance under control. At least Cousins is self motivated, he just makes poor decisions. Malone's the only one to get through to him so far.Exactly!
If Malone is willing to give up Jokic plus either Gallo, Chandler or Murray for Cousins to reunite with him, I would jump on that in a NY minute and don't even need any draft picks in return.

Heck even if Denver demand that they include Holiday in the package for their overrated PG like Mudiay which would be a major upgrade for them, I would still do the trade but they must include a few 2nd round picks which they would gladly do :nod:.

I assume the Kings had already contacted Denver to see if his former HC would want his Boogie before entertaining offers from other teams to place him in the best ideal situation to succeed as a player. I know I would. I believe Divac is a good GM which I can't say the same for his meddling micro managing team owner :(

Rivera
02-27-2017, 04:17 PM
honestly i enjoy watching them play, I wouldnt say they arent clicking either because thats not what im watching. These two have been fine, and actually have been playing well together. Is there more to work out? For sure but the early results are promising if im a Pels fan

DMC and AD are still putting up #s even though they have to learn to play together more

The DMC and AD pick n roll is already my favroite in basketball its fun to watch

Have you seen the rest of the roster? Its all straight basura minus jrue holliday and hes overrated