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krazylegz
02-02-2017, 12:59 AM
with every team scoring over 100 pts this year (105 is the avg)...has it just become too easy to score in the nba??...what would be some legit ideas to give the defense an advantage or not make it so easy to score?....get rid of the 3 pt line,or maybe move it back 5 ft...raise the rim to 12 ft??...(the rim is 10 ft because dr. naismith's gym ceiling was just a little taller,and peoples avg ht was 5'6"),let teams play defense again by getting rid of illegal defense foul or cheap forearm on back fouls.......just saying,it is almost becoming unwatchable on how simple it is to put the ball in the hoop anymore

Giannis94
02-02-2017, 01:10 AM
with every team scoring over 100 pts this year (105 is the avg)...has it just become too easy to score in the nba??...what would be some legit ideas to give the defense an advantage or not make it so easy to score?....get rid of the 3 pt line,or maybe move it back 5 ft...raise the rim to 12 ft??...(the rim is 10 ft because dr. naismith's gym ceiling was just a little taller,and peoples avg ht was 5'6"),let teams play defense again by getting rid of illegal defense foul or cheap forearm on back fouls.......just saying,it is almost becoming unwatchable on how simple it is to put the ball in the hoop anymore

I agree. We live in a soft society, which has trickled down into the sports we love, although rightfully so in the NFL. Players lile Lebron, who are physical specimens complain now when they get slapped on the arm, accidentally.

Try playing in the 80s or 90s when hard contact was the norm. Would he still have been a great player? Yes. Would he have stayed as healthy as he is (and avoid injuries from the physicality of the game )? I doubt it.

KG2TB
02-02-2017, 01:35 AM
It's all about pace and efficiency. A lot of those 80s and 90s teams that everyone nuts over were pretty high scoring as well.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2017, 01:36 AM
I agree. We live in a soft society, which has trickled down into the sports we love, although rightfully so in the NFL. Players lile Lebron, who are physical specimens complain now when they get slapped on the arm, accidentally.

Try playing in the 80s or 90s when hard contact was the norm. Would he still have been a great player? Yes. Would he have stayed as healthy as he is (and avoid injuries from the physicality of the game )? I doubt it.

your boy scored 9 points tonight in 38 minutes... if they make it any harder he will be sent to the D-League

mrblisterdundee
02-02-2017, 01:44 AM
The NBA is becoming more like euro ball. I say it's more exciting. There might not be the same grit and grind, but we still get to see great perimeter defenders chasing shooters everywhere.
I think expanding the court dimensions and adding a four-point line would help. The NBA court has been the same size since the 1940s. It didn't event expand with the addition of a three-point shot, although a four-point shot would necessitate expansion.
NBA administration has already discussed the concept (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/10517078/nba-discussed-bigger-court-4-point-shot). It would spread the lane out for drivers, make the zone defense harder to pull off and create more room for chases and ball movement on the perimeter. That sounds pretty exciting to me.

Giannis94
02-02-2017, 01:59 AM
your boy scored 9 points tonight in 38 minutes... if they make it any harder he will be sent to the D-League

And Oden Jr will be sent to a retirement home by age 24 with another injury which Philly fans are accustomed to with their Big Men. See Bynum, Andrew.

DLeague>>>>>>retirement home

aman_13
02-02-2017, 02:17 AM
Gaurd oriented lineups and emphasis on the 3 ball results in a pace and space game, hence higher scoring totals.

It has become easier but it's entertaining so I don't mind.

LA_Raiders
02-02-2017, 02:43 AM
Yes, no D is played now a days, and if it is played there are bunch of floppers; like LeFlop.

ewing
02-02-2017, 09:41 AM
Yes


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Miltstar
02-02-2017, 11:42 AM
I think I could put up at least 15

Chronz
02-02-2017, 12:48 PM
Yes but it's not the rule changes like everyone wants it to be. It's Because our knowledge of the game is such that we now know where the most efficient shots are on a touch by touch basis. Meaning nba teams have tracked offenses and defenses to the point where we have the expected value of any shot. Back then, players just chucked. I don't think the nba wants to change it considering how long it took to return to the soft 80s but the best rule change would be allowing true college zones. The kind players loved escaping upon the nba and have for decades

krazylegz
02-15-2017, 09:03 PM
you can tell that bill walton seems a little uninterested in the nba (while ripping on how defense is played)...hes talking more about his visit to the rock and roll hall of fame

FlashBolt
02-15-2017, 09:11 PM
you can tell that bill walton seems a little uninterested in the nba (while ripping on how defense is played)...hes talking more about his visit to the rock and roll hall of fame

Bill Walton isn't a commentator and he's a TV personality guy. His role there isn't to commentate the way Dick Vitale is trying to do. If you notice, Dick Vitale keeps trying to bring it back to basketball because he knows that's his job. He's been commentating NCAA games his entire life so it's natural for him. Also, it's Dick Vitale who blasted the defense while Bill defended it. Dick Vitale was complaining about the defense in the interior and Bill replied back saying it's how the game has changed where the defense is spread back so far from the paint that it's much easier for a player to attack the paint when they get past the wing defenders.

Secondly, the defense is more sophisticated than ever. It's just that the offense has exploded at a quicker rate than the defense. NBA is going through a really weird transition where we've never seen some of these shots being made and coaches are still trying to figure out how to defend against them. Curry was such a transcendent player with the way he made his shots from such a distance that it just collapses your defense. Back then, defense was stay in front of your man. Now, it's go behind or over the pick, team defense is far more prevalent today than ever.

Lastly, the point differential is due to the fact that three point shooting is more prevalent than ever. it's an extra point. Pace increased because instead of passing it to the big man in the paint who then proceeds to dribble dribble dribble (cough Barkley) for ten seconds, teams are just passing it for the open man to shoot a three.

I hate when people just act like an entire league just quit playing defense. It's like after the great depression, a large population were unemployed. Did they all just become lazy? No, policies and environment changed it. It's the same with how NBA is played now.

krazylegz
02-15-2017, 09:13 PM
Bill Walton isn't a commentator and he's a TV personality guy. His role there isn't to commentate the way Dick Vitale is trying to do. If you notice, Dick Vitale keeps trying to bring it back to basketball because he knows that's his job. He's been commentating NCAA games his entire life so it's natural for him.

Secondly, the defense is more sophisticated than ever. It's just that the offense has exploded at a quicker rate than the defense. NBA is going through a really weird transition where we've never seen some of these shots being made and coaches are still trying to figure out how to defend against them. Curry was such a transcendent player with the way he made his shots from such a distance that it just collapses your defense. Back then, defense was stay in front of your man. Now, it's go behind or over the pick, team defense is far more prevalent today than ever.

great assessment....and damn i hope your right

Scoots
02-16-2017, 03:20 PM
Offense isn't easy ... they are working a lot harder to take better shots now and running more complex plays that involve more of the team more often to maximize the efficiency of every shot now.

I saw the Celtics run a double side to side elevator on opposite sides of the court in one possession a couple weeks ago ... it's a LONG way from watching Chuck bang his butt into a defender while all of his teammates stand around and watch for 20 seconds. Offense isn't easy now, it was bad then.

LOb0
02-16-2017, 05:52 PM
It is, but its more fun and hasn't really hurt the enjoyment. Honestly they toned it down from say 2011 when Wade was getting breathed on and it was a whistle.

Heediot
02-17-2017, 03:11 PM
The NBA is becoming more like euro ball. I say it's more exciting. There might not be the same grit and grind, but we still get to see great perimeter defenders chasing shooters everywhere.
I think expanding the court dimensions and adding a four-point line would help. The NBA court has been the same size since the 1940s. It didn't event expand with the addition of a three-point shot, although a four-point shot would necessitate expansion.
NBA administration has already discussed the concept (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/10517078/nba-discussed-bigger-court-4-point-shot). It would spread the lane out for drivers, make the zone defense harder to pull off and create more room for chases and ball movement on the perimeter. That sounds pretty exciting to me.

Even though they are emulating euroleague styles and schemes, it is much harder to score especially for perimeter guys in europe.

Bring back the hand check and it will slow it down a little bit, and would probably balance things out. The game has evolved as many have said, so the days of mike fratello cleveland style offense won't frustrate the league anymore.

Green_Monster
02-17-2017, 03:40 PM
Yes. Some of the foul calls that players get are just stupid. Like, let me throw my body into yours and create all the contact while still getting the foul call.

Hawkeye15
02-17-2017, 04:18 PM
Yes. Some of the foul calls that players get are just stupid. Like, let me throw my body into yours and create all the contact while still getting the foul call.

this is why I can't watch Harden for more than 30 seconds. He will go around a pick 30 feet from the rim, stop, let the guy trailing slightly bump him, then fly superman style into the air, jacking a shot straight up in the air, and the whistle blows on an entirely non-basketball play.

It's impossible to watch.

Green_Monster
02-17-2017, 04:26 PM
this is why I can't watch Harden for more than 30 seconds. He will go around a pick 30 feet from the rim, stop, let the guy trailing slightly bump him, then fly superman style into the air, jacking a shot straight up in the air, and the whistle blows on an entirely non-basketball play.

It's impossible to watch.

Pretty much. I hate how they're rewarded for it. The NBA would be so much better if we took away those kinds of fouls. Let's go back to a foul being when someone actually grabs/hits them when shooting/dribbling rather than them throwing their body around like a rag doll.

It's honestly pathetic, and I say this even with a guy like Isaiah Thomas on my team flourishing because of it.

ewing
02-17-2017, 11:44 PM
Yes but it's not the rule changes like everyone wants it to be. It's Because our knowledge of the game is such that we now know where the most efficient shots are on a touch by touch basis. Meaning nba teams have tracked offenses and defenses to the point where we have the expected value of any shot. Back then, players just chucked. I don't think the nba wants to change it considering how long it took to return to the soft 80s but the best rule change would be allowing true college zones. The kind players loved escaping upon the nba and have for decades

This post disappoints me (i drink every time Chronz's says sophisticated)

ewing
02-17-2017, 11:47 PM
Bill Walton isn't a commentator and he's a TV personality guy. His role there isn't to commentate the way Dick Vitale is trying to do. If you notice, Dick Vitale keeps trying to bring it back to basketball because he knows that's his job. He's been commentating NCAA games his entire life so it's natural for him. Also, it's Dick Vitale who blasted the defense while Bill defended it. Dick Vitale was complaining about the defense in the interior and Bill replied back saying it's how the game has changed where the defense is spread back so far from the paint that it's much easier for a player to attack the paint when they get past the wing defenders.

Secondly, the defense is more sophisticated than ever. It's just that the offense has exploded at a quicker rate than the defense. NBA is going through a really weird transition where we've never seen some of these shots being made and coaches are still trying to figure out how to defend against them. Curry was such a transcendent player with the way he made his shots from such a distance that it just collapses your defense. Back then, defense was stay in front of your man. Now, it's go behind or over the pick, team defense is far more prevalent today than ever.

Lastly, the point differential is due to the fact that three point shooting is more prevalent than ever. it's an extra point. Pace increased because instead of passing it to the big man in the paint who then proceeds to dribble dribble dribble (cough Barkley) for ten seconds, teams are just passing it for the open man to shoot a three.

I hate when people just act like an entire league just quit playing defense. It's like after the great depression, a large population were unemployed. Did they all just become lazy? No, policies and environment changed it. It's the same with how NBA is played now.

thank you Flash

ewing
02-17-2017, 11:55 PM
this is why I can't watch Harden for more than 30 seconds. He will go around a pick 30 feet from the rim, stop, let the guy trailing slightly bump him, then fly superman style into the air, jacking a shot straight up in the air, and the whistle blows on an entirely non-basketball play.

It's impossible to watch.

At least Harden is under control. still frustrating. he is the modern day Reggie Miller when it comes to drawing fouls. Reggie was CHEAP. Greg Anthony was the first fast guy I saw who would drive completely out of control to the lane jump into a moving defender and throw the ball blindly through the air to get 2 shots. He was a Knick and a hell of a defender and i hated the guy.

ewing
02-17-2017, 11:57 PM
It is, but its more fun and hasn't really hurt the enjoyment. Honestly they toned it down from say 2011 when Wade was getting breathed on and it was a whistle.

i hate Wade at the start of his career. he used the Greg Anthony move. I've grow to like him and respect him as great as his career moved on but he was my most disliked superstar for awhile

KnickNyKnick
02-18-2017, 01:37 AM
thats because everything is a foul... and when its a hard foul to show (you arent getting to the rim that easy)
its now a Flagrant.. weak sauce.. bring back the Charles Oakley days.