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JasonJohnHorn
12-25-2016, 11:59 PM
As it stands, it looks like Joel Embiid is running away with ROY. Leading all rookies in scoring, rebounds and blocks (last I check) and ranking in the top 10 in steals, and nearly the top ten in assists, it's hard to pick anybody else, especially since his scoring average is nearly double the next closest player.


Had he not been injured and played his rookie season last year, this ROY race would be far more close, but not terribly interesting, and nobody seems to be doing much of anything.


However, given how young most players are, it takes them two or three seasons to really show their full NBA potential.

Which current players, regardless of per-game averages, do you think are going to shape up into something special? Keeping in mind that a guy like Draymond Green averaged less than 3 points a game as a rookie, it is possible that one of this year's crop, who looks statistically unimpressive now, could blossom into a All-Star or even HOFer.

Who do you think has the potential for that in this draft?

Giannis94
12-26-2016, 12:04 AM
Broddon. Has drawn comps to Andre Miller. Thon also vut he's an even bigger littery ticket than GOAT

GodsSon
12-26-2016, 02:19 AM
Siakam has impressed as our starting 4.

Solid man/help defender and a gazelle in transition.

warfelg
12-26-2016, 08:19 AM
Phillys other rookie: Dario Saric.

Heediot
12-26-2016, 08:40 AM
Jamal Murray. I said it before the draft, he will be the 2nd best player in the class behind Simmons. He will be a good scorer i this league. Has legit shot and range, could handle the rock in a ball handlers league, and has that crafty in him. Defense will need a tonne of work, but his O will be nice.

Heediot
12-26-2016, 08:41 AM
The rest of the thread. Insert homer pick from a poster :p

Giannis94
12-26-2016, 09:28 AM
The rest of the thread. Insert homer pick from a poster :p
Lebron James? Malcolm Brogdon dethtoned the king by putting him on a poster if that's what you're referencing

http://prosportsdaily.com/RedZone/Article/bucks-rookie-malcolm-brogdon-announced-his-arrival-by-posterizing-kyrie-irving-and-king-james-447022

Miltstar
12-26-2016, 02:14 PM
If we're looking for potential studs, Pascal Siakam, Thon Maker and Marquese Chriss all have a pretty good shot IMO. I think it's pretty certain Embiid Saric and Murray are gonna be legitamte starters

warfelg
12-26-2016, 02:33 PM
If we're looking for potential studs, Pascal Siakam, Thon Maker and Marquese Chriss all have a pretty good shot IMO. I think it's pretty certain Embiid Saric and Murray are gonna be legitamte starters

LOL Siakam, Maker and Chriss all stars but Embiid only a legit starter? I hope you meant stars not starters. (Although I would disagree with star and Saric. More Super 6th Man.)

Raps18-19 Champ
12-26-2016, 02:59 PM
What the hell happened to Ingram?

PurpleLynch
12-26-2016, 03:25 PM
What the hell happened to Ingram?

He's adjusting to the league I think. Right now not even his body is Nba ready.

Scoots
12-26-2016, 09:29 PM
Saric has shown some flashes but he's LOST on D.

Embiid isn't a rookie. It's a bad rule to compare players who have had 1 or more years of pro training and coaching to players who have not.

Maker ain't in the conversation yet ... still too much guessing and projecting.

The reality is that the last 2 drafts have had a HUGE amount of talent and it looks like the NBA is going to be in good shape for a while on their talent.

Saric, Siakim, Brogdon, all have shown enough to impress, and even Ingram has shown enough to think he has the potential have a good career.

Nobody has mentioned Jamal Murray, Buddy Heild, Isaiah Whitehead, either Hernangomez, and Sabonis.

One thing that is true of pretty much all of the top rookies is that they are getting minutes and a chance to develop. There are some other rookies not mentioned who are not getting much PT who may also grow to impress.

I'd still take Simmons above the rest of this rookie class (which does not include Embiid in my mind).

warfelg
12-26-2016, 10:41 PM
Saric has shown some flashes but he's LOST on D.

He looked good against 4's. This stupid ****ing "hey lets play Okafor and Embiid" thing has lead to some of Embiids worst games and Saric playing almost all his minutes at the 3 to give time for Ilyasova to play too. It's so ****ing stupid. We're hurting 2 long term players to help a bust not look like a bust.

LanceUpperCut
12-26-2016, 10:43 PM
To me nobody jumps out as a future star, not including Embiid cause I also think it's a little ridiculous to lump him in with everyone else. As a Raps fan Siakiam will have a decent career as a back up PF set hard screens, good rim protector and works his *** off and Poeltl is a victim of a deep team he has impressed when he's had PT.

LanceUpperCut
12-26-2016, 10:47 PM
Overall it's a pretty weak *** draft considering Embiid and Saric aren't part of the draft class.

Miltstar
12-26-2016, 10:54 PM
LOL Siakam, Maker and Chriss all stars but Embiid only a legit starter? I hope you meant stars not starters. (Although I would disagree with star and Saric. More Super 6th Man.)

Ya, you misunderstand. I mean those 3 have the potential to be really good while the other 3 are more of a sure thing

warfelg
12-26-2016, 11:04 PM
Ya, you misunderstand. I mean those 3 have the potential to be really good while the other 3 are more of a sure thing

Ok. Just making sure.

mrblisterdundee
12-27-2016, 10:54 AM
Without Joel Embiid, there are no stars from this draft. Even without playing, Ben Simmons is still the most valuable at this point. But there are some nice role players, such as 3-and-D specialist Malcolm Brogdon, hustling combo forward Pascal Siakam and trial-by-fire stretch-four Domantas Sabonis. Jamal Murray and Juan Hernangomez have both shown some promise, if they can get more playing time same with Jaylen Brown.
I understand Brandon Ingram taking off so slow, considering what a tooth pick he is. The most concerning to me is Kris Dunn, who has all of Ricky Rubio's shooting prowess (and probably defense) but not his passing or decision-making abilities. He was given a real opportunity with Rubio being out, but hasn't really capitalized.

Giannis94
12-27-2016, 10:58 AM
Without Joel Embiid, there are no stars from this draft. Even without playing, Ben Simmons is still the most valuable at this point. But there are some nice role players, such as 3-and-D specialist Malcolm Brogdon, hustling combo forward Pascal Siakam and trial-by-fire stretch-four Domantas Sabonis. Jamal Murray and Juan Hernangomez have both shown some promise, if they can get more playing time same with Jaylen Brown.
I understand Brandon Ingram taking off so slow, considering what a tooth pick he is. The most concerning to me is Kris Dunn, who has all of Ricky Rubio's shooting prowess (and probably defense) but not his passing or decision-making abilities. He was given a real opportunity with Rubio being out, but hasn't really capitalized.

People said that there were no stars in the 2013 draft. How'd that turn out? Way to early to tell.

shep33
12-27-2016, 11:15 AM
I love Embiid, but I can't even consider him a rookie. Dude is 3 years older than guys like Ingram.

Not a knock, but when you have 3 years to develop your body at that age and hit the weight room. You're going to have an advantage over guys that jumped right into it from college at 19 years old.

That being said, by the rules, he'll be ROY.

I still think Simmons and Ingram are going to be special. Simmons just has too much talent, it's insane how good he can be. Ingram, IMO, is going to probably grow a bit more, and when his body develops (gains another 15lbs) he's going to be great.

Jamal Murray is gonna be lights out too. Kinda reminds me of Brandon Roy a little. Brogdon is a going to be a good player as well.

Overall, if I could pick one player. I'm still going with Simmons. Too dynamic, even though we have not seen him play yet.

LoveCaliFan
12-27-2016, 12:16 PM
I'm going to say B.Ingram without bias. He's skinny as heck, but he's tough as nails. I see he loves contact, but still gets bullied. What i love about him though is he's also mentally tough. Has the tangibles and intangibles to be Elite. He also gets mostly any shot he wants, knows how to create for himself & others & tbh if he was shooting 42-43%fg he'd be avg about 13-14ppg. I think in the 2nd half of the year we will see him emerge to being the best rookie. I've said he has moves that are a combo of Kobe, KD, PG. Not their level, but potentially could get there. Defensively, he'll be better than those guys imo. Once that muscle weight kicks into gear, he'll be vicious...

TheDish87
12-27-2016, 02:42 PM
yea that post was def without any bias...

DanG
12-27-2016, 04:34 PM
Goddamn man the Bucks are becoming my least favourite team just because of their fans.

Anyway,

Embiid&Simmons are all-stars

Ingram maybe an all-star ... I just don't know.

Giannis94
12-27-2016, 04:43 PM
Goddamn man the Bucks are becoming my least favourite team just because of their fans.

Anyway,

Embiid&Simmons are all-stars

Ingram maybe an all-star ... I just don't know.

Nah. It's just me. You can hate away and keep sippin that haterade

JasonJohnHorn
12-27-2016, 06:55 PM
He's adjusting to the league I think. Right now not even his body is Nba ready.

This is a great point.

Ingram is what... 6'9? He is listed as 190 pounds. That might sound like a decent weight, but I'm 6 feet and I'm 4 pounds heavier than that. To put his size in an NBA context, LBJ plays the same position, is an inch shorter, and 60 pounds heavier: and solid muscle.

How's Ingram supposed to compete physically with that? He's a teenage competing against grown @$$ men.

That said, his shooter percentages are a concern. He is rebounding very well for his size and position, and is getting a decent number of assists as well, and without turning the ball over too much.

If he can improving his shooting, then he'll be around for a while and get a few ASGs under his belt, but that is a big if right now.

JasonJohnHorn
12-27-2016, 07:03 PM
People said that there were no stars in the 2013 draft. How'd that turn out? Way to early to tell.

It's really hard to tell anymore. Guys are coming in a 19 and 20 when they used to come in at 22 and 23. Back in the 90's and 80's, they were ready to play at 22 or 23 years old. They had some growing to do in terms filling out, and developing their game, but they had 4 years of college under their belt and learned how to play, usually under great coaches for an extended period of time.

Now you have the one-and-done rule (which is fine; they deserve to get paid if people are making millions off them), but they come into the league as teenagers and aren't ready to to make a significant impact.

Even James, who came in at 18 and won ROY saw a horrid shooting year as a rookie; it was just a matter of the fact that there was nobody else on the Cavs roster to go to, so they let James have the lion's share of the shots and ball time. Had he been drafted by a competitive team, he likely wouldn't have won ROY or had per-game averages that were as impressive.

And he is the greatest player of his generation.

I don't think we are going to see guys like DRob and Hakeem, and Shaq, or even Mouring, who come into the league and play like HOFers as rookies any more. Not unless there is some change, or there is a really unique talent/one-in-a-generation player.

You might get a guy like Lillard, who plays longer in college, come in and play like an All-Star as a rookie, but it'll be rare.

mrblisterdundee
12-27-2016, 07:12 PM
People said that there were no stars in the 2013 draft. How'd that turn out? Way to early to tell.

Anything's possible, but I'm trying to base my observations on reality so far. A lot of a player's potential depends on their situation, too. Brogdon probably won't reach his potential behind Middleton. One of the two will have to leave Milwaukee. Both will probably be highly valued when their contracts come up. As it stands, Brogdon is really nice trade bait for the Bucks.
As for Dunn, it might be too early to tell, but he still concerns me the most. The guy's got the same skillset as Rubio, but doesn't appear to have the latter's innate playmaking ability. As of right now, I would rather develop Zach LaVine as my point guard of the future. Maybe Minnesota could offer Dunn to Milwaukee for Brogdon.