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kdspurman
11-09-2016, 03:17 PM
Wednesday November 9th, 2016





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tredigs
11-09-2016, 09:13 PM
So at 2-2 from three so far tonight, Wiggins is now shooting 70% from three on the year. Not a typo.

More-Than-Most
11-09-2016, 09:17 PM
Porz and Rose are yet again defending horribly. Its cool to score but jesus christ they are letting the Nets do as they please on offense.


Celtics are in this same boat as well holy ****.

More-Than-Most
11-09-2016, 09:23 PM
It was basically a lay up drill in the knicks defensive paint all first half... BUT YO ROBIN LOPEZ WASNT THE BEST PLAYER IN THAT TRADE :pity:

Defense matters people unless you are as offensively ridiculous as harden which really nobody is lol


FML I hate harden Tre... So much.

More-Than-Most
11-09-2016, 09:27 PM
OKA is unstoppable on offense man holy hell.. I hope he gets much better at defense as well or at least a little better lmfao

More-Than-Most
11-09-2016, 09:32 PM
stupid ****ing refs man.. teague flopping without falling.

tredigs
11-09-2016, 09:44 PM
It was basically a lay up drill in the knicks defensive paint all first half... BUT YO ROBIN LOPEZ WASNT THE BEST PLAYER IN THAT TRADE :pity:

Defense matters people unless you are as offensively ridiculous as harden which really nobody is lol


FML I hate harden Tre... So much.

Lmao I do too. But I'm on his train this year since he's in absolute beast mode (which I thought he would be) and the backlash for him has gone too far (I like to take the opposite side of the popular take on players... ie why I liked Lebron in 2010 but now I can play the other side).

Btw concerning your Celtics comment (which I responded to and must've not sent), they are absolute **** this year defensively, it's strange. I gotta watch some more of their games and see what's going on.

tredigs
11-09-2016, 09:56 PM
Wow Celts Defensive Rating is 28/30 (and falling tonight). 4th last year.

zn23
11-09-2016, 10:03 PM
It's still early in the season, but I thought the Celtics would be a lot better than what they are....

kdspurman
11-09-2016, 10:42 PM
Wow Celts Defensive Rating is 28/30 (and falling tonight). 4th last year.

They've been without Crowder/Horford though right?

Vee-Rex
11-09-2016, 10:43 PM
The Celtics are missing Jae Crowder.

I know that sounds like an excuse but I believe they went through a similar stretch (don't know the numbers off hand) last year when they were missing him.

Odd to think that one player could make such a massive difference but we're still using extremely small sample sizes for these sort of numbers. Once we get about 20 games in history shows the numbers start to truly reflect where the teams are.

kdspurman
11-09-2016, 10:51 PM
The Celtics are missing Jae Crowder.

I know that sounds like an excuse but I believe they went through a similar stretch (don't know the numbers off hand) last year when they were missing him.

Odd to think that one player could make such a massive difference but we're still using extremely small sample sizes for these sort of numbers. Once we get about 20 games in history shows the numbers start to truly reflect where the teams are.

Yea that's what I thought..

I know when we were without Kawhi a couple years back, our defense was so bad. Having that perimeter wing defender is huge with todays explosive players

Htownballa1622
11-09-2016, 11:05 PM
Harden gets raked in front of official.

Back official makes call. Like, wtf is the official facing him looking at?

tredigs
11-09-2016, 11:05 PM
They've been without Crowder/Horford though right?

Well they played half+ the games, but yeah. I mean Horford's not a former Celtic though. There's something more going on there for their D to have this significant of a dropoff. The Wizards - with their struggling offense/team just dropped nearly 118 on them and won by 25 (a team with 1 win going into tonight).

Htownballa1622
11-09-2016, 11:07 PM
Rockets up 9 with Harden having 9 points and 6 assists in 1st q.

He'll sit the next 6 mins where we will get outscored by a million. Smh. If our bench could just not blow these 9 pt leads when harden sits, that'd be cool.

mightybosstone
11-09-2016, 11:10 PM
That was the best first quarter the Rockets have played all season. If Leonard doesn't make that three to end the quarter, they'd be leading the Spurs on the road by 12. Now to watch the bench completely blow this lead...

kdspurman
11-09-2016, 11:22 PM
Rockets up 9 with Harden having 9 points and 6 assists in 1st q.

He'll sit the next 6 mins where we will get outscored by a million. Smh. If our bench could just not blow these 9 pt leads when harden sits, that'd be cool.

They did pretty well imo

zn23
11-09-2016, 11:26 PM
Raps probably won't be successful if they continue playing Derozan ball, but it's working early on.

Htownballa1622
11-09-2016, 11:29 PM
Spurs getting every ******* call.

Lma swipes capela and then gets foul.

kdspurman
11-09-2016, 11:34 PM
Spurs getting every ******* call.

Lma swipes capela and then gets foul.

Every call? lol c'mon...

Its seems to be officiated pretty consistently.

But then again we're looking at it from diff perspectives. I know I've been annoyed with some calls/non-calls but it doesnt seem so bad

Htownballa1622
11-09-2016, 11:39 PM
Every call? lol c'mon...

Its seems to be officiated pretty consistently.

But then again we're looking at it from diff perspectives. I know I've been annoyed with some calls/non-calls but it doesnt seem so bad

14 to 7?


Lee got two bs calls. Lma got the one where he swiped capela.

Harden just got his first bs call on that 3 pt attempt.

Htownballa1622
11-09-2016, 11:42 PM
Kawhi is soooh good.

Dekker ..wth? I'll take it.

kdspurman
11-09-2016, 11:42 PM
14 to 7?


Lee got two bs calls. Lma got the one where he swiped capela.

Harden just got his first bs call on that 3 pt attempt.

That doesn't mean they're getting every call. Heck I thought there could've been a few more, but it is what it is.

I don't think Lee's were BS, he was scrapping big time and hustling.

W/e, nitpicking calls will surely frustrate anyone. I'm looking at the flow/entirety of the half

kdspurman
11-09-2016, 11:43 PM
Kawhi is soooh good.

Dekker ..wth? I'll take it.

Who the hell is that guy 0_o

aman_13
11-09-2016, 11:45 PM
Raps probably won't be successful if they continue playing Derozan ball, but it's working early on.

It was anything but that tonight. They ran it through him as they should but the ball was moving. 25 assists, that's very good.

lol, please
11-09-2016, 11:46 PM
Durantula with the fadeaway!!!

:faint:

mightybosstone
11-09-2016, 11:47 PM
Who the hell is that guy 0_o

You probably don't remember, but that kid was a beast at Wisconsin a couple of years ago. I thought he was a steal when the Rockets got him in the middle of the first last year, but he missed pretty much the entire year season with back problems.

He's definitely a guy to watch over the next few years. He definitely has some Chandler Parsons in his game. I see him as a more athletic Parsons, but without Parsons' playmaking ability and not quite the 3-point shooter.

lol, please
11-09-2016, 11:51 PM
That doesn't mean they're getting every call. Heck I thought there could've been a few more, but it is what it is.

I don't think Lee's were BS, he was scrapping big time and hustling.

W/e, nitpicking calls will surely frustrate anyone. I'm looking at the flow/entirety of the half

Good to hear Lee has been grinding it out and doing well on the Spurs system.

Sounds like I missed a geck of a game between the Spurs/Rockets.

tredigs
11-09-2016, 11:52 PM
Massive ovations for Barnes and Bogut btw. Good job Oracle.

lol, please
11-09-2016, 11:53 PM
King Klay is heating up......the NBA is on notice!

lol, please
11-09-2016, 11:54 PM
Massive ovations for Barnes and Bogut btw. Good job Oracle.

Something tells me OKC won't be so welcoming for Durantula.

tredigs
11-09-2016, 11:54 PM
Klay 5-5 with 2 threes. Progression to the mean initiated.

Htownballa1622
11-09-2016, 11:56 PM
That doesn't mean they're getting every call. Heck I thought there could've been a few more, but it is what it is.

I don't think Lee's were BS, he was scrapping big time and hustling.

W/e, nitpicking calls will surely frustrate anyone. I'm looking at the flow/entirety of the half

You're right it's not every call but a 2 to 1 disparity is enough home cooking for me.

Lol

Dekker is a nice 2nd year player outta Wisconsin. If he can hit 3 at decent clip he'll play.

tredigs
11-09-2016, 11:56 PM
Something tells me OKC won't be so welcoming for Durantula.

Obviously not, but it's not as simple as it should be. They are in debt to him IMO, and it's not as if he left at first opportunity. Dude stayed in OKC for a decade.

tredigs
11-09-2016, 11:56 PM
Klay-Game.

(7-7. 4-4 from three. 18 points). Slightly over midway through the 1st quarter.

Huge props to Curry for passing up an open three when Klay was just getting going (getting him his 2nd three on the open corner).

kdspurman
11-09-2016, 11:57 PM
You probably don't remember, but that kid was a beast at Wisconsin a couple of years ago. I thought he was a steal when the Rockets got him in the middle of the first last year, but he missed pretty much the entire year season with back problems.

He's definitely a guy to watch over the next few years. He definitely has some Chandler Parsons in his game. I see him as a more athletic Parsons, but without Parsons' playmaking ability and not quite the 3-point shooter.

Ah, i definitely don't remember. But it looks like he can play.

I see the Parsons comparison, but this guy like you said seems more athletic. Quick, can shoot, good size, etc....

He looks to have steal potential

kdspurman
11-09-2016, 11:59 PM
Good to hear Lee has been grinding it out and doing well on the Spurs system.

Sounds like I missed a geck of a game between the Spurs/Rockets.

Lee kinda kept us in the game while we were down. You would've been proud

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:04 AM
Durantula :worthy:

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:05 AM
Obviously not, but it's not as simple as it should be. They are in debt to him IMO, and it's not as if he left at first opportunity. Dude stayed in OKC for a decade.

Which is why I don't get the hate he recieves for coming here. They had MORE than long enough to do something with him around.

agree on the debt part.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:06 AM
Lee kinda kept us in the game while we were down. You would've been proud

:clap: outstanding stuff.

I need to start tuning into the Spurs more often.

tredigs
11-10-2016, 12:07 AM
Solid 29-7 end to the quarter for GS.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:07 AM
I love Corey brewer as a person but holy **** he can not shoot to save his life.

tredigs
11-10-2016, 12:09 AM
Harden puts up Nash's 2004 MVP numbers (16/4/10) with roughly 6 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter most nights.

R!kSm!tz
11-10-2016, 12:12 AM
If the Bulls had a legit big man who could score they would be the 2nd best team in the East. Get well soon Bosh.

Oh yea can't forget, have to trade Rondo for a bag of chips if we have to and fire Hoiberg. I can't think of a worse coach in the league and his rotations are among the worst I've ever seen. It's still early and we've lost games we probably should haveother than the Knicks but we made dumbass mistakes to lose 3 of our games.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:12 AM
If Kawhi was playing offense and his clone Kawhi was playing defense, I wonder who would get the benefit.

Hes allowed to play physical but don't touch him. He is quite crafty with the ball fakes and he's quick.

Makes me sick we could've had him and harden.

Glad gino didn't get flop.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:13 AM
Harden puts up Nash's 2004 MVP numbers (16/4/10) with roughly 6 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter most nights.

But when will they build around him?

Seems like the Rockets are always a key piece away from top 4 team type contention.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:13 AM
If the Bulls had a legit big man who could score they would be the 2nd best team in the East. Get well soon Bosh.

Oh yea can't forget, have to trade Rondo for a bag of chips if we have to and fire Hoiberg. I can't think of a worse coach in the league and his rotations are among the worst I've ever seen. It's still early and we've lost games we probably should haveother than the Knicks but we made dumbass mistakes to lose 3 of our games.

You'd rate the Bulls above the Raptors with a scoring big man?

:confused:

zn23
11-10-2016, 12:16 AM
Harden is taking over... The only problem is when he goes to the bench.

tredigs
11-10-2016, 12:17 AM
But when will they build around him?

Seems like the Rockets are always a key piece away from top 4 team type contention.

Well they got there with Howard (top 4 seed and made the WCF's against us), but his team right now is pretty ridiculous outside of him. They have some shooters if they stay healthy (Anderson/Gordon), but realistically there is no other top 75 player on that team, and that's not a recipe for success. Harden is straight up incredible offensively though. And this season is likely his finest hour.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:20 AM
Ball out on ginobili...Spurs ball. Might not matter right now but it will cuz harden will have to sit.

mightybosstone
11-10-2016, 12:20 AM
If Kawhi was playing offense and his clone Kawhi was playing defense, I wonder who would get the benefit.

Hes allowed to play physical but don't touch him. He is quite crafty with the ball fakes and he's quick.

Makes me sick we could've had him and harden.

Glad gino didn't get flop.

It sounds crazy because Kawhi has 25 points on 16 shots tonight, but I actually think the Rockets have defended him really well tonight. They're contesting his shots and really making him work for it. If it weren't for the free throw line, he'd be having a pretty so-so game.

(And don't remind me of the massive Morris over Leonard draft mistake. I've never been more upset on a draft night, and it was easily Morey's biggest mistake as a GM.)

tredigs
11-10-2016, 12:22 AM
Um Clippers are up 50-18 on the Blazers. Argument can be made that they are the best team in the NBA right now (demolished San Antonio as well).

tredigs
11-10-2016, 12:26 AM
It sounds crazy because Kawhi has 25 points on 16 shots tonight, but I actually think the Rockets have defended him really well tonight. They're contesting his shots and really making him work for it. If it weren't for the free throw line, he'd be having a pretty so-so game.

(And don't remind me of the massive Morris over Leonard draft mistake. I've never been more upset on a draft night, and it was easily Morey's biggest mistake as a GM.)

Y'all need to get rid of Corey Brewer if you want to compete in this league as an HCA team again. What a wreck of a player.

R!kSm!tz
11-10-2016, 12:28 AM
You'd rate the Bulls above the Raptors with a scoring big man?

:confused:

In a playoff series for sure. We've had their number for awhile now but this is a completely different team. Wade and Jimmy will get theirs but there's absolutely no one after them you can count on and when you factor Rondo and Fred being terrible I really makes them take a step back.

R!kSm!tz
11-10-2016, 12:29 AM
Um Clippers are up 50-18 on the Blazers. Argument can be made that they are the best team in the NBA right now (demolished San Antonio as well).

They're playing unbelievable right now. Steve Ballmer is a happy man.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:30 AM
85 to 80 as harden sits... Let's see.

mightybosstone
11-10-2016, 12:30 AM
Y'all need to get rid of Corey Brewer if you want to compete in this league as an HCA team again. What a wreck of a player.

You're preaching to the choir, man. Rockets fans want him gone. But he somehow makes his way into the starting lineup the last two games. I have no freaking clue why. You'd think it was because of defense, but I honestly think Gordon has played better defensively this season than Brewer.

tredigs
11-10-2016, 12:30 AM
Warriors up 30 on the struggling Mavs midway through the 2nd quarter. Fun to see Steph on Seth but this one's a wrap already.

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 12:34 AM
It's so nice to have Green back man. Dude was severely missed

zn23
11-10-2016, 12:34 AM
As soon as Harden goes to the bench this team goes down.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:35 AM
1 3 away from the nba record!!!

:jumpy:

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:36 AM
Rockets have outplayed spurs entire game and are now down. Harden is amazing but he alone isn't enough to compete with upper echeleon teams.

mightybosstone
11-10-2016, 12:36 AM
Jesus Christ, the Rockets second unit is bad. But it's mostly Ennis and Capela right now. I'd pull them both. Capela has not played well tonight, and Ennis is just flat out terrible. That kid should not be getting rotational minutes for a playoff team right now.

tredigs
11-10-2016, 12:38 AM
Warriors 14-20 from three in the 1st half (74%). 2nd most made threes in a half in NBA history.

Up 67-31.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:40 AM
Warriors 14-20 from three in the 1st half (74%). 2nd most made threes in a half in NBA history.

Up 67-31.
Yup, one short and we hold the record anyway. ;)

zn23
11-10-2016, 12:40 AM
Harden is the MVP so far.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:40 AM
man, this sucks.

Was going to watch during halftime, but I don't get the channel that the Spurs game is on.

:sad2:

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:40 AM
Harden back....**** ing on spurs.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:41 AM
Harden is the MVP so far.

Seems to be more or less the consensus that he's in the lead so far.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:41 AM
Harden back....**** ing on spurs.

Expecting Spurs run along with some home cooking though.

mightybosstone
11-10-2016, 12:42 AM
Harden is a ****ing basketball god right now. This is the best I've seen a Houston Rocket play since I was 10 years old watching Hakeem in his prime.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 12:44 AM
Harden is a ****ing basketball god right now. This is the best I've seen a Houston Rocket play since I was 10 years old watching Hakeem in his prime.

Even better than the best you've seen from Yao and T-Mac?

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:46 AM
Even better than the best you've seen from Yao and T-Mac?

Easily

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:47 AM
Can we get a rebound?

tredigs
11-10-2016, 12:49 AM
Harden is the MVP so far.

By a wide margin IMO. Look at them when he sits. They completely collapse.

mightybosstone
11-10-2016, 12:52 AM
Even better than the best you've seen from Yao and T-Mac?

Yes. I loved those guys, but Harden has already surpassed what T-Mac ever did in a Rockets jersey some time ago, and even Yao's best seasons don't come close to what Harden is doing right now.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:55 AM
Harden raked across arm b4 flop by ginobili. Home cooking

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:56 AM
Harden raked across arm b4 flop by ginobili. Home cooking

They overturned it? Wtf? They can do that?

zn23
11-10-2016, 12:57 AM
Those were two big missed FT's. But that's mainly due to fatigue.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:57 AM
One stop!

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 12:58 AM
Patty flop. Nice....

ONE STOP!

mightybosstone
11-10-2016, 01:00 AM
Ugh.... That's why you don't call someone a basketball god midway through the fourth quarter of a close game against a good team. He's been really bad down the stretch here, but all they have to do is get a stop...

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:01 AM
Curry out for the game, tweaked his ankle.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 01:02 AM
Whoa... Could've called foul.

I'll take it.

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 01:03 AM
Were playing some ugly ball to start, but kinda expected with so many new guys and no TD.

Nice game Rockets. We'll be in Houston Saturday

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 01:03 AM
Patty flop. Nice....

ONE STOP!

He ran right into him dude,,stop it lol.

FlashBolt
11-10-2016, 01:03 AM
LaMarcus missed the easiest shots I've ever seen. This dude really needs to dunk that last play...

tredigs
11-10-2016, 01:04 AM
Harden's demon's coming to fruition though. Highly suspect when it comes to his late game decisions/understanding and he gets himself into turnover trouble way too often. For as high as his BBIQ is, he's just so dumb sometimes. They escaped with the solid win tonight over San Antonio on his back though. So far it's him or Kawhi for MVP to me and he looked like the best player on the floor.

Ryan Anderson was doing his thing as well. Some of those threes were silly.

mightybosstone
11-10-2016, 01:05 AM
Wow. Dodged a bullet there. Fantastic game, Spurs fans. Thrilled to go 3-2 on this tough road trip. But we'll see you guys back home on Saturday.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 01:05 AM
Were playing some ugly ball to start, but kinda expected with so many new guys and no TD.

Nice game Rockets. We'll be in Houston Saturday

Good game . I'm totally expecting the loss next game.lma should've made last one.

Was hoping to hear from the Spurs ESPN homer Michele Beadle. Oh well

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:06 AM
Love that short feed from Zaza to Durantula.

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 01:07 AM
LaMarcus missed the easiest shots I've ever seen. This dude really needs to dunk that last play...

It looked like he was being pushed from the basket a bit, but yea. Should've found a way to fight thru it and get that ball in there.

The fact that they had a chance to win despite playing so poorly is the silver lining. It'll take some time for them to figure this out, Pop still working on the rotations and seeing who deserves minutes. This is sort of new territory for him

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 01:09 AM
Good game . I'm totally expecting the loss next game.lma should've made last one.

Was hoping to hear from the Spurs ESPN homer Michele Beadle. Oh well

Idk. We play Friday too so I have no idea who pop brings to Houston.

Beadle is probably tight, but w/e lol.

Ryan Anderson always kills us too. Screw that guy

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:11 AM
Two poor decisions by Livingston...

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 01:11 AM
He ran right into him dude,,stop it lol.

Nah. Patty sold that. Harden as passingoff.

I hate the block/charge in the nba. Rewarding falling down at free throw line.

Oh well. We got lucky as we fouled twice on final play.

Htownballa1622
11-10-2016, 01:13 AM
Idk. We play Friday too so I have no idea who pop brings to Houston.

Beadle is probably tight, but w/e lol.

Ryan Anderson always kills us too. Screw that guy

Oh I didn't know that I hate b2bs.

Still yall are clearly better team. Harden happened to be ready tonight.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:15 AM
Warriors need to wake up because the Mavericks have made this a game.

tredigs
11-10-2016, 01:18 AM
Seth making a seriously impressive anticipation steal on his brothers cross-court pass and taking it coast to coast with impunity. Coming off a career high? The kid is carving a role for himself in this league.

mightybosstone
11-10-2016, 01:21 AM
Idk. We play Friday too so I have no idea who pop brings to Houston.

Beadle is probably tight, but w/e lol.

Ryan Anderson always kills us too. Screw that guy

Yeah, after kind of a slow start, Anderson has put up 23/7 and 20/8 in back-to-back road wins. He was shooting 45.5% from the 3-point line before this game, and he shot 4-6 there tonight. If he can keep this up, that contract could feasibly look pretty good by season's end.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:31 AM
Classic teardrop from Curry.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:32 AM
Curry is wet!!! DEEP 3!

tredigs
11-10-2016, 01:36 AM
9:11 to go in the 4th:

KD: 8-13 (4-7 from 3). 23 pts.

Klay: 8-13 (4-7 from 3). 20 pts.

Curry: 8-12 (4-8 from 3). 24 pts.

That theme could be dangerous for the opposition.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:37 AM
9:11 to go in the 4th:

KD: 8-13 (4-7 from 3). 23 pts.

Klay: 8-13 (4-7 from 3). 20 pts.

Curry: 8-12 (4-8 from 3). 24 pts.

And this team will only get better.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:41 AM
And 1 West!! Great ball movement.

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:43 AM
Durant!!!

:worthy:

He does everything!

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:44 AM
Loving McCaw's game already...

lol, please
11-10-2016, 01:49 AM
McGee :drool: with the rejection.

europagnpilgrim
11-10-2016, 02:01 AM
Harden is balling like early favorite mvp candidate along with Lebron and KD

Westbrook is under pressure game in and out like The Answer use to be for Philly, he will appreciate KD even more after having to take 30-40 shots per game just to keep his team in the mix each and every game, he will put a lot of extra wear and tear on his body without another 30ppg scorer to lean on

Spurs miss Duncan more than they can imagine on the interior

Clippers are looking like the super team that Pierce claimed they were in off/pre season, I hope CP3 gets his well deserved MVP, especially if they get a top 2 seed out West, I know its a long shot but he deserves one before his career is over and if Kobe can get one in his 12th season then its still a little hope for the best PG of his era

Chronz
11-10-2016, 04:50 AM
Yes. I loved those guys, but Harden has already surpassed what T-Mac ever did in a Rockets jersey some time ago, and even Yao's best seasons don't come close to what Harden is doing right now.

Why?

Chronz
11-10-2016, 04:55 AM
Spurs ain't that good people

More-Than-Most
11-10-2016, 04:58 AM
Spurs ain't that good people

we all better hope you are wrong or the warriors are gonna cake walk to a championship.

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 09:36 AM
Spurs ain't that good people

Love the overreaction 8 games in :laugh2:

Say this come February if they're still struggling

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 09:39 AM
Yeah, after kind of a slow start, Anderson has put up 23/7 and 20/8 in back-to-back road wins. He was shooting 45.5% from the 3-point line before this game, and he shot 4-6 there tonight. If he can keep this up, that contract could feasibly look pretty good by season's end.

Well he def will get his fair share of open looks. Just a matter if he'll keep knocking them down

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 09:52 AM
we all better hope you are wrong or the warriors are gonna cake walk to a championship.

He will be ;)

People don't realize outside the obvious missing link in Duncan, we've got a bunch of new guys Pop is trying to incinerate.

I've been watching too long to know how you perform in October/November/December doesn't dictate anything, especially with a pretty new team/philosophy

I'll never forget the talk of us being pretenders in 2014 cause we struggled against the elite teams early on.

mightybosstone
11-10-2016, 09:57 AM
Why?

I mean... just compare the numbers and the postseason success.

McGrady's best season all-time came in a Magic jersey. But his best Rockets seasons comparatively were pretty pedestrian. His first three seasons he averaged essentially 25/6/5 with a 22-23 PER, a 49-52% TS% and a WS/48 that never topped .180. The guy was essentially a volume scorer with really good court vision and so-so defense. He may have been more athletic than Harden, but Harden is just a much better shooter and overall offensive player. I don't even think it's close. Couple that with the Rockets run to the conference championship and McGrady's inability to get out of the first round, and Harden's contributions to the franchise easily surpass T-Mac.

Yao did get out of the first round and was a key part of that 2009 playoff run that was so fun to watch. And Yao's peak numbers, IMO, trump anything that T-Mac did in Houston. But they're barely on par with Harden's in most statistical categories, and you know where he comes up really short? Games played. I love Yao. The guy is maybe the most likable NBA player to ever play the game, and I feel very lucky that he played his entire career as a Rocket. But the man could never stay healthy. His best seasons, he played 57, 48 and 55 games, and he wasn't always healthy for the playoffs. On the flip side, Harden is an iron man. He's never missed 10 games in a season with the Rockets, and he would have played in 82 games in both of the last two seasons if he hadn't been suspended for a game in 2014-15.

Throw in Harden's play in 2014-15 and being the runner-up for MVP, and I just hold him in higher regard as a player than those two guys. I think he has the chance go down as the third (and maybe even the second if he brings a title to Houston) greatest Rocket of all time.

Chronz
11-10-2016, 11:50 AM
Love the overreaction 8 games in :laugh2:

Say this come February if they're still struggling
8 games in? Lol been saying it since you all got pau and failed to upgrade your 1

tredigs
11-10-2016, 11:52 AM
So over the summer Kawhi has doubled his FT rate to nearly 9 a game, and is now better than Steph Curry at shooting them. ****ing robot (there was one game where the system glitched and he went 10-12, but besides that it has not missed).

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 12:04 PM
8 games in? Lol been saying it since you all got pau and failed to upgrade your 1

So even if Patty plays as much or more than TP does at this point, what does that mean? (regardless of who starts)

And yea I know you've been saying that, just sayin' , give it a few months. Pop is still figuring some stuff out. He knows if there are weaknesses and he will address them. Pau is only playing a little over 21 mpg, and hasn't been finishing these games anyway, so he sees the issues. He's still tinkering and trying to see what fits.

I will say Green made a big difference out there, (as expected) and was a bit rusty, but yea. We'll see if your Spurs are not that good prediction will be postponed again this year too ;)

FlashBolt
11-10-2016, 12:07 PM
I disagree with GSW cakewalking if this LAC team is as good as it has been lately.

Vee-Rex
11-10-2016, 01:00 PM
8 games in? Lol been saying it since you all got pau and failed to upgrade your 1

IMO, that is something that would more likely impact them in the playoffs than the regular season.

I mean, look at the 3 teams they lost to. Utah is a team that looks capable of beating any team in the league. Houston is fueled by MVP-esque Harden and they're one of the more impressive teams in the league right now, and LAC is obviously a contender playing at a high level.

Much, much too soon to judge them even if you feel they are worse than their 67-15 record last year. They're unlikely to reach that again but they could still hit 60 wins.

The only interesting thing is that all 3 of their losses were @ home. But they WERE missing their 2nd best wing defender and working on some things themselves.

They're fine.

Chronz
11-10-2016, 01:10 PM
So even if Patty plays as much or more than TP does at this point, what does that mean? (regardless of who starts)

And yea I know you've been saying that, just sayin' , give it a few months. Pop is still figuring some stuff out. He knows if there are weaknesses and he will address them. Pau is only playing a little over 21 mpg, and hasn't been finishing these games anyway, so he sees the issues. He's still tinkering and trying to see what fits.

I will say Green made a big difference out there, (as expected) and was a bit rusty, but yea. We'll see if your Spurs are not that good prediction will be postponed again this year too ;)
Just saying. It's not much of a prediction if you wait for it to happen. Will revisit this in a few weeks but the writing has been on the wall. Dedmon should become the starter with the old sages coming off the bench.

Chronz
11-10-2016, 01:16 PM
IMO, that is something that would more likely impact them in the playoffs than the regular season.

I mean, look at the 3 teams they lost to. Utah is a team that looks capable of beating any team in the league. Houston is fueled by MVP-esque Harden and they're one of the more impressive teams in the league right now, and LAC is obviously a contender playing at a high level.

Much, much too soon to judge them even if you feel they are worse than their 67-15 record last year. They're unlikely to reach that again but they could still hit 60 wins.

The only interesting thing is that all 3 of their losses were @ home. But they WERE missing their 2nd best wing defender and working on some things themselves.

They're fine.
DG is valuable despite his low efficiency because of his gravity but the entire direction of their offense has drastically changed from even 2 years ago and I'm not sure exactly how it all fits. How often is a SF the primary playmaker with his 2 main go to options are both post/elbow guys?

Their frontcourt guys all love the same areas on the court. If they traded LMA for starting quality 1 and another big, i think they're better off. I think they hope tp has one more run in him.

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 02:02 PM
Just saying. It's not much of a prediction if you wait for it to happen. Will revisit this in a few weeks but the writing has been on the wall. Dedmon should become the starter with the old sages coming off the bench.

I agree re: Dedmon. Idk if Pop will do that or he'll just pull Pau super early like ~3 mins in. But I do know they're going to give it some time before they make that kind of change, and they'll do what's best for the team. Dedmon's issue is he fouls too much, so they'll have to work with him on that more.

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 02:07 PM
DG is valuable despite his low efficiency because of his gravity but the entire direction of their offense has drastically changed from even 2 years ago and I'm not sure exactly how it all fits. How often is a SF the primary playmaker with his 2 main go to options are both post/elbow guys?

Their frontcourt guys all love the same areas on the court. If they traded LMA for starting quality 1 and another big, i think they're better off. I think they hope tp has one more run in him.

Green creates so much spacing, and obviously helps defensively where guys have to actually work to get to the paint and inevitably score on Pau... Offensively, LMA/Pau have both been shooting the 3 this year, so they're changing their games a little to accommodate Kawhi driving/dishing. LMA should be operating from the post (out of he/Pau), and Pau should work the high/low with him like TD did last season. Pau has been shooting the ball fairly well from the outside.

Aldridge on many nights has a smaller guy on him, I'm hoping he starts taking advantage. He started slower last year too, so I'm not too concerned just yet about him. I think he'll come around in the upcoming weeks

FlashBolt
11-10-2016, 02:18 PM
Green creates so much spacing, and obviously helps defensively where guys have to actually work to get to the paint and inevitably score on Pau... Offensively, LMA/Pau have both been shooting the 3 this year, so they're changing their games a little to accommodate Kawhi driving/dishing. LMA should be operating from the post (out of he/Pau), and Pau should work the high/low with him like TD did last season. Pau has been shooting the ball fairly well from the outside.

Aldridge on many nights has a smaller guy on him, I'm hoping he starts taking advantage. He started slower last year too, so I'm not too concerned just yet about him. I think he'll come around in the upcoming weeks

Any concerns over Aldridge and a trade?

kdspurman
11-10-2016, 02:44 PM
Any concerns over Aldridge and a trade?

Nah.. Not yet at least. I'd like him be a little tougher on the inside and rebound better personally. I mean the first game against the Warriors he was great. Probably cause Green was trying to jaw at him too, but still.

It's a different team, so I'm not surprised at guys taking a bit longer to show the sort of cohesiveness that has been a staple for us in recent years. Especially w/o TD's leadership.

zn23
11-10-2016, 03:10 PM
Mo Speights has been a really good pickup for the Clippers.

Helped bolster the thin bench.

Chronz
11-11-2016, 04:03 PM
I mean... just compare the numbers and the postseason success.
I have, I came away less impressed contextually. I mean if you mean in terms of longevity then sure, kinda how Kobe is the best Laker ever but my thoughts on that stance are more like how you feel about Hakeem vs Shaq despite the numbers/success at first glance.

Like you bring up the post season success but we saw 3 first round exits where his production/efficiency plummeted to pitiful levels. All you're really asking me is to look at his run to the WCF in 2015 but Im not all that impressed by it. I mean they beat an imploding Dallas team and they arguably only won the series vs the Clips because their coach had the balls to sit Harden. I was more impressed by Dwight Howard in that series that anything Harden did, so he wasn't all that impressive in defeating an injured team that just got out of an INTENSE slugout vs the defending champs. Harden was decent enough vs GS in their 5 game series but overall, in 34 playoff games we're left with 22.4 PER, .152WS/48.

Yao is at 23.1 and .176 in his final 3 years. Its hard to really gauge Yao because he can be an outright defensive liability against certain teams or a large defensive deterrent. He had the highest PER and of anyone in the 05 playoffs but he was often less viable than Dikembe whenever Dallas went small. Its an example of stats not always telling the full story as Tmac was easily the best player in that series due to his 2-way ability and floor game.

Tmac was truly only Tmac that 1 year in Houston and he was in a defensive system that was in flux offensively as everyone was trying to figure out the style of play. They found their groove in the 2nd half of the year but then they lost all their PF's (to injury or trade). Despite that they pushed the FAR more talented Mavs to 7 in large part due to Tmac raising his level of play AND slowing down Dirk's level of play. I've never seen Harden do anything remotely on that level.

What Harden is, is a more durable RS anchor. Come playoffs, there are serious doubts about how his game translates and how he can impact the game outside his own declining statistics.

I find it kind of sad that, despite Tmac being less durable/healthy and despite only really having 1 year where he was near prime form, if we look at his final 3 Houston seasons he sports comparable numbers.





McGrady's best season all-time came in a Magic jersey. But his best Rockets seasons comparatively were pretty pedestrian.
I guess I was speaking more about their impact and abilities at their best than what comes up in the aggregate. Tmac was no longer at the stage of his career where going full bore all RS was a great option but if he was healthy come playoffs, I would GLADLY put my money on him than a James Harden. Yao is even trickier but I love him potential 2-way impact if he has the right pieces around him.



Yao did get out of the first round and was a key part of that 2009 playoff run that was so fun to watch. And Yao's peak numbers, IMO, trump anything that T-Mac did in Houston.
Thats a fun fact because it basically highlights why your argument doesn't fly with me. Technically speaking, Yao had better numbers than Tmac since the day they united. Do you really think Yao was the better player from the start of their partnership? Yao sports the superior PER, WS/48 for both the RS and the PS. Impact still matters and the load they carried differed. Tmac made Yao better because he held his game back for him. If you look at what both produced with and without each other on the court, Yao's numbers improve with Tmac whereas Tmac's numbers explode without Yao. Come playoffs, Tmac is more likely to raise his game IMO and I have to imagine he would have an easier time with how the game is played today.



Throw in Harden's play in 2014-15 and being the runner-up for MVP, and I just hold him in higher regard as a player than those two guys. I think he has the chance go down as the third (and maybe even the second if he brings a title to Houston) greatest Rocket of all time.
Whos 2nd?

Chronz
11-11-2016, 04:10 PM
Mo Speights has been a really good pickup for the Clippers.

Helped bolster the thin bench.

No joke he basically won us 2 games this year and was outplaying all our bigs for a stretch there. I was worried about his ridiculously bad +/- metrics but hes been exactly what his talent dictates for us. I hope he continues cuz it will show me that sometimes bench players can be tasked with too much on different teams.

Vee-Rex
11-11-2016, 09:25 PM
No joke he basically won us 2 games this year and was outplaying all our bigs for a stretch there. I was worried about his ridiculously bad +/- metrics but hes been exactly what his talent dictates for us. I hope he continues cuz it will show me that sometimes bench players can be tasked with too much on different teams.

Well his bad +/- makes a lot of sense if you think about it.