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FlashBolt
10-07-2016, 12:08 PM
Does anyone see the comparisons?

nycericanguy
10-07-2016, 12:47 PM
yes but KP is more of a blend of KG & Dirk...

Length and defense of KG, with shooting of Dirk.

either way, we are entering an era with some very promising bigs with combinations of skills that we really havent seen before.

I'm probably being a homer, but I think KP's effortless range, and the fact that he has another level to reach physically, give him a higher ceiling than Towns.

Towns might be the same age as KP but he's already built like a grown man.

I know its only 1 pre season game, but Hornacek said in camp that KP's shot was MUCH better, and it showed. His release and arch were much better. It was beautiful to watch. And KP worked on his handle alot too. Just have never seen a big that can do the things he does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBaeRAI5DPs

add in Embid who I was really impressed with...

mrblisterdundee
10-07-2016, 01:00 PM
Those are pretty good comparisons. If Nerlens Noel can get a shot, he could also be compared to Garnett.

IKnowHoops
10-07-2016, 01:04 PM
yes but KP is more of a blend of KG & Dirk...

Length and defense of KG, with shooting of Dirk.

either way, we are entering an era with some very promising bigs with combinations of skills that we really havent seen before.

I'm probably being a homer, but I think KP's effortless range, and the fact that he has another level to reach physically, give him a higher ceiling than Towns.

Towns might be the same age as KP but he's already built like a grown man.

I know its only 1 pre season game, but Hornacek said in camp that KP's shot was MUCH better, and it showed. His release and arch were much better. It was beautiful to watch. And KP worked on his handle alot too. Just have never seen a big that can do the things he does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBaeRAI5DPs

add in Embid who I was really impressed with...

Yeah I gotta disagree with this. But I do it respectfully. to put it in perspective, I feel like KP has the upside to be a top 5-8 player in the league during his prime, and maybe squeak out an MVP in his best year. I feel that KAT has the upside to be the best player in the NBA for a 4-6 year stretch coming away with 3 MVP's. KAT to me is just a one of a kind player...so is KP, but I think KAT has many more facets to his game.

nycericanguy
10-07-2016, 01:12 PM
Yeah I gotta disagree with this. But I do it respectfully. to put it in perspective, I feel like KP has the upside to be a top 5-8 player in the league during his prime, and maybe squeak out an MVP in his best year. I feel that KAT has the upside to be the best player in the NBA for a 4-6 year stretch coming away with 3 MVP's. KAT to me is just a one of a kind player...so is KP, but I think KAT has many more facets to his game.

cant go wrong really. Both are incredible talents. KP's shot and range looks like it could be elite though, and at 7'3, there's no stopping that shot. but 7'3 is also dangerously tall for injuries... so I just hope he stays healthy. Physically TOWns is on a whole nother level right now.

I mean KAT has a really good outside shot too, but I don't think he'll ever be a Dirk type shooter.

hopefully we can debate these two or 3 guys for the next 10 years...lol

xxplayerxx23
10-07-2016, 01:12 PM
Kp's best aspect in his game so far is defense lol. But I can see Dirk with his shot.

nycericanguy
10-07-2016, 01:14 PM
you know 3-5 years ago I would never have thought Curry would be an MVP player and best or 2nd best player in the league. But he kind of transcended the game.

KP at C could possibly do the same, we've simply never seen a guy that big do what he can do.

Hawkeye15
10-07-2016, 01:21 PM
cant go wrong really. Both are incredible talents. KP's shot and range looks like it could be elite though, and at 7'3, there's no stopping that shot. but 7'3 is also dangerously tall for injuries... so I just hope he stays healthy. Physically TOWns is on a whole nother level right now.

I mean KAT has a really good outside shot too, but I don't think he'll ever be a Dirk type shooter.

hopefully we can debate these two or 3 guys for the next 10 years...lol

KAT was one of the top 2 shooters on long 2's in the game last year. Much better 3 point shooter as a rookie than Dirk.

There is seriously nothing KAT doesn't do well. He has the best upside of any of the rookies from last year. KP might be a special player, but KAT might be an all timer.

cmellofan15
10-07-2016, 01:26 PM
lmao why are people so quick to compare these guys to generational talents? like yeah sure KP could be Dirk....or he could be Raef Lafrentz..and I think the latter is more likely considering Dirk all time top 5 PF's don't just pop up every draft class.

Wisdom Listens
10-07-2016, 01:39 PM
lmao why are people so quick to compare these guys to generational talents?

They are called projections and they are based on performance.

Chronz
10-07-2016, 01:58 PM
KAT was one of the top 2 shooters on long 2's in the game last year. Much better 3 point shooter as a rookie than Dirk.

There is seriously nothing KAT doesn't do well. He has the best upside of any of the rookies from last year. KP might be a special player, but KAT might be an all timer.

Thought you would've learned your lesson about projecting 3pt shooting. Its been one year bro, remember When you hyped up wiggins 3pt shot only for it to decline this year. What did Dirk shoot that year? I bet plenty of inferior shooters shot better at that point.

Hawkeye15
10-07-2016, 02:08 PM
Thought you would've learned your lesson about projecting 3pt shooting. Its been one year bro, remember When you hyped up wiggins 3pt shot only for it to decline this year. What did Dirk shoot that year? I bet plenty of inferior shooters shot better at that point.

not projecting. Town's didn't even take enough to gauge. However, he was 2nd behind only Durant on long 2's, so it's not outlandish to suggest he will be a good 3 point shooter in the future.

Wiggins shot well the last 30 games of the season, but his shot needs work, fundamentally. Supposedly the new shooting coach is breaking down his form a bit, which could mean he has another rough year while he changes his form.

cmellofan15
10-07-2016, 02:36 PM
They are called projections and they are based on performance.

you didn't answer my question in the slightest.

KnicksorBust
10-07-2016, 02:38 PM
Those are pretty good comparisons. If Nerlens Noel can get a shot, he could also be compared to Garnett.

If Nerlens Noel becomes a better passer, rebounder, shooter, and defender then he would almost be like Garnett. Good point. :clap:

nycericanguy
10-07-2016, 02:47 PM
not projecting. Town's didn't even take enough to gauge. However, he was 2nd behind only Durant on long 2's, so it's not outlandish to suggest he will be a good 3 point shooter in the future.

Wiggins shot well the last 30 games of the season, but his shot needs work, fundamentally. Supposedly the new shooting coach is breaking down his form a bit, which could mean he has another rough year while he changes his form.

Towns shot 51% on long two's (16-22 feet)... which is pretty amazing.

Durant was 46%.

I think you're looking at mid range shots (10-15 feet) where Durant was 54% and Kat 41%.

KAT was MUCH better than KP around the rim, KP struggled to finish, where as Towns even as a rookie was already elite around the rim. But that goes back to what I said that Towns physically was just much more NBA ready than KP.

Hawkeye15
10-07-2016, 02:49 PM
Towns shot 51% on long two's (16-22 feet)... which is pretty amazing.

Durant was 46%.

I think you're looking at mid range shots (10-15 feet) where Durant was 54% and Kat 41%.

KAT was MUCH better than KP around the rim, KP struggled to finish, where as Towns even as a rookie was already elite around the rim. But that goes back to what I said that Towns physically was just much more NBA ready than KP.

well Porz is so skinny. Hell Towns has skinny *** legs.

I haven't watched the Knicks yet, Horny did comment that Porz's shot is improved this year. I will check it out at some point I am sure.

KnicksorBust
10-07-2016, 03:08 PM
well Porz is so skinny. Hell Towns has skinny *** legs.

I haven't watched the Knicks yet, Horny did comment that Porz's shot is improved this year. I will check it out at some point I am sure.

Porzingis stayed in top shape all off-season and worked non-stop on his shooting. He would work out with his cousin and shoot every day until he got absolutely sick of shooting. Then he would shoot some more. I just hope with Rose and Melo they don't try and make him Channing Frye. It's a huge limit to his talents. I think he will take a big step forward this year but he doesn't force things and when you have 2 ball dominate players the big man tends to have to take a step back.

Hawkeye15
10-07-2016, 03:10 PM
Porzingis stayed in top shape all off-season and worked non-stop on his shooting. He would work out with his cousin and shoot every day until he got absolutely sick of shooting. Then he would shoot some more. I just hope with Rose and Melo they don't try and make him Channing Frye. It's a huge limit to his talents. I think he will take a big step forward this year but he doesn't force things and when you have 2 ball dominate players the big man tends to have to take a step back.

that would be on Phil dude. He is the one who went out and traded for the dribble machine

IKnowHoops
10-07-2016, 03:49 PM
Towns shot 51% on long two's (16-22 feet)... which is pretty amazing.

Durant was 46%.

I think you're looking at mid range shots (10-15 feet) where Durant was 54% and Kat 41%.

KAT was MUCH better than KP around the rim, KP struggled to finish, where as Towns even as a rookie was already elite around the rim. But that goes back to what I said that Towns physically was just much more NBA ready than KP.

That being said, I think they both have an equal amount of physical growth before they reach there primes which is why KAT being so far along already is so scary for his future potential.

IKnowHoops
10-07-2016, 03:52 PM
Porzingis stayed in top shape all off-season and worked non-stop on his shooting. He would work out with his cousin and shoot every day until he got absolutely sick of shooting. Then he would shoot some more. I just hope with Rose and Melo they don't try and make him Channing Frye. It's a huge limit to his talents. I think he will take a big step forward this year but he doesn't force things and when you have 2 ball dominate players the big man tends to have to take a step back.

If they were smart, they would make Porz the focal point and let the offense run through him and allow Rose and Melo have an easier time playing off of him. That way Porz grows and becomes the beast he potentially can be, and Rose and Melo make the game much easier for themselves and are able to play off there strengths.

Dade County
10-08-2016, 11:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBaeRAI5DPs

add in Embid who I was really impressed with...

I like the crop of Big men the nba have to show case on a night to night basis.

I like Whiteside games as well & how it is growing.

He played somewhere around 20min, but did most of his his scoring in a 13min span (i think he had 16pts in under 14min of play)

https://youtu.be/UYmyYWHuiFM

https://youtu.be/jxxjG0LE1_c

JAZZNC
10-08-2016, 11:34 AM
I think that these are ok comparisons. I don't know that any of the new guys have the defensive potential of Duncan/Garnett. I do feel that the shooting of the new guys has the potential to be better than anything we saw from the older guys.

I get the love for the new guys and it's in se ways deserved but I think we should temper our expectations. It wasn't but a couple years ago where it seemed a foregone conclusion that Anthony Davis would likely be the best player in the NBA and I feel that sentiment has changed. We just have to give these guys time to develop and see what happens.
I am personally the highest on Porzingis. I know he has a long way to go but I feel like he has the highest ceiling. You can't teach his height and length. If he can put it all together he could be like Dirk in that we have never seen a player like him before. I agree with some of the Knicks fans and hope that the ball dominant guys they have don't stunt his growth. He is one of those guys that I get really excited to see play.

cmellofan15
10-08-2016, 05:49 PM
Jamal Murray is gonna be the next Ray Allen lmao

D-Leethal
10-09-2016, 12:31 PM
If they were smart, they would make Porz the focal point and let the offense run through him and allow Rose and Melo have an easier time playing off of him. That way Porz grows and becomes the beast he potentially can be, and Rose and Melo make the game much easier for themselves and are able to play off there strengths.

Nah, Porzingis looks much better when he is playing off others instead of trying to create 1v1. He isn't anywhere near that type of player yet.

ewing
10-09-2016, 03:25 PM
nope

naps
10-10-2016, 10:24 AM
I think KP has a good future and I like his game a lot but why does it feel like he is being overhyped by knicks fans? Reading their posts about KP makes me think if Towns or Davis was a knick they will already be labelled as potential heir to Jordan.

D-Leethal
10-10-2016, 10:47 AM
I think KP has a good future and I like his game a lot but why does it feel like he is being overhyped by knicks fans? Reading their posts about KP makes me think if Towns or Davis was a knick they will already be labelled as potential heir to Jordan.

Knicks fans didn't start this thread, and the hype is across the board not just from Knicks fans. Adidas just gave him more money than any Euro ever - maybe Adidas is a Knicks fan too.

ewing
10-10-2016, 11:33 AM
I think that these are ok comparisons. I don't know that any of the new guys have the defensive potential of Duncan/Garnett. I do feel that the shooting of the new guys has the potential to be better than anything we saw from the older guys.

I get the love for the new guys and it's in se ways deserved but I think we should temper our expectations. It wasn't but a couple years ago where it seemed a foregone conclusion that Anthony Davis would likely be the best player in the NBA and I feel that sentiment has changed. We just have to give these guys time to develop and see what happens.
I am personally the highest on Porzingis. I know he has a long way to go but I feel like he has the highest ceiling. You can't teach his height and length. If he can put it all together he could be like Dirk in that we have never seen a player like him before. I agree with some of the Knicks fans and hope that the ball dominant guys they have don't stunt his growth. He is one of those guys that I get really excited to see play.


I disagree don't think any of guys can stroke it like Dirk and i think KP and Towns have the potential to be just as impactful as KG on the defensive end

SeoulBeatz
10-10-2016, 01:15 PM
If Nerlens Noel becomes a better passer, rebounder, shooter, and defender then he would almost be like Garnett. Good point. :clap:

lol so true. He's a defensive specialist. KG was an all-around elite PF.

KAT could be of the same ilk though. Honestly don't know how he is as a passer, but as a scorer, rebounder, and defender, he is already nearing elite levels.

KP and Dirk are both tall, white, and can shoot threes, but that's where the comparison ends IMO. KP reminds me of a taller Shawn Marion if anything. True jack of all trades.

And jeez, Embiid is starting to make me give my hopes up again. Last year I came to the conclusion that he would never step foot on the court. He didn't exist in my mind. Now he's out there doing the dream shake, blocking shots, and effortlessly pulling up from 3 point range.

If healthy, he has a lot of similarities to KAT. That's a big IF, but it's hard to not be impressed by a guy who hasn't played competitively for 2 and half years.

naps
10-10-2016, 04:10 PM
Knicks fans didn't start this thread, and the hype is across the board not just from Knicks fans. Adidas just gave him more money than any Euro ever - maybe Adidas is a Knicks fan too.

No adidas knows what market he is in and adidas is well aware of his fans. Remember Jeremy Lin when he was in NY? Everything gets overblown there by their media and fans. Seems like a perfect place to invest. Adidas is no dumb.

Heediot
10-10-2016, 05:43 PM
Jokic deserves some love as a 5-4 tweener type. I think he ends u being a a better player vs. Porzingis, who has flashed but is more hyped, whereas Jokic produced better.

nycericanguy
10-10-2016, 06:13 PM
Jokic deserves some love as a 5-4 tweener type. I think he ends u being a a better player vs. Porzingis, who has flashed but is more hyped, whereas Jokic produced better.

huh? KP has outproduced Jokic last year and already in preseason by a wide margin.

He shows flashes of greatness, but he's already a consistent starter who plays both ends and is a positive on the court.

Heediot
10-10-2016, 06:21 PM
huh? KP has outproduced Jokic last year and already in preseason by a wide margin.

He shows flashes of greatness, but he's already a consistent starter who plays both ends and is a positive on the court.

Boxscoregeeks advanced stats favor Jokic by a big margin for wins produced.

Jokic has a VORP of 3 and Porzingis 1.1, Jokic had a higher WS as well.

This is for last season. I haven't paid any attention to pre-season.

nycericanguy
10-10-2016, 06:47 PM
Boxscoregeeks advanced stats favor Jokic by a big margin for wins produced.

Jokic has a VORP of 3 and Porzingis 1.1, Jokic had a higher WS as well.

This is for last season. I haven't paid any attention to pre-season.

VORP alone is a flawed stat... almost any stat alone is flawed. VORP doesn't mean "outproduce"

Heediot
10-10-2016, 06:56 PM
VORP alone is a flawed stat... almost any stat alone is flawed. VORP doesn't mean "outproduce"
Nearly all the advanced stats favor Jokic any how. Porzingis might be the better defender long term, but I think Jokic will be the more impact player. They are both studs prospects IMO, so this is not as much of a slight to Porz as it is a boost to Jokic. I just think he was slept on last year because Porzingis was hyped up by being in NY. Porz had better counting stats I'll give him that, he also played more minuted per game.

Crackadalic
10-11-2016, 06:34 AM
Nearly all the advanced stats favor Jokic any how. Porzingis might be the better defender long term, but I think Jokic will be the more impact player. They are both studs prospects IMO, so this is not as much of a slight to Porz as it is a boost to Jokic. I just think he was slept on last year because Porzingis was hyped up by being in NY. Porz had better counting stats I'll give him that, he also played more minuted per game.

Really can't say one is better then the other. Jokic average 21 minutes a game and wasn't double team the way KP was at times. I like Jokic no doubt but I gotta see him legit play 28-30 minutes a night and put up those stats that makes his advance stats more reasonable

Heediot
10-11-2016, 07:48 AM
Really can't say one is better then the other. Jokic average 21 minutes a game and wasn't double team the way KP was at times. I like Jokic no doubt but I gotta see him legit play 28-30 minutes a night and put up those stats that makes his advance stats more reasonable

Fair statement.

Jokic will be fine in my view. His game is reliant on iq and skill. His passing is already top 3 for a big man and his ability to makes steals for a big shows u his court awareness potential. The nuggets are deep up front right now and they are tinkering with lineups there so we will see how he does when they move nurkic or farried.