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Chronz
10-03-2016, 01:25 PM
2017 will mark the first time in years that Goran Dragic returns to his natural position/role. Its sad enough that the poor guy has to deal with teammates forgetting his name but his sacrifices over the years go largely unnoticed. Miami fans blame his inconsistencies but hes been miscast as an outlet option when he should be running PnR non-stop. Now that Wade is gone, he can finally showcase his talent. The question is, does he still have the Dragon in him?

Here are Dragics stats with and w/out Wade on the court from last year. (Per 36)


With: 13.6PTS (58.1 TS%) - 5.9AST - 3.9REB -- (+1.3 +/-)
W/Out: 18.8PTS (58.6 TS%) - 7.3AST - 4.8REB -- (+6.3 +/-)


Im not sure why the duo didn't click as well as they had even just a few months prior upon arriving. There are many who speculate that perhaps the Legend of Dragic was born from a fluke stretch of play but think about what has become of him. Hes really had an interesting career...

Starts off as Nash's understudy, has that crazy 4th quarter that puts an end to the Richard Jefferson era in SA. Gets traded to Houston where he backs up Kyle Lowry but gets to show his stuff as a starter for 28 games (18-8-3), returns to Phoenix, has his most productive year to date and the team congratulates him by bringing in another PG(Eric Bledsoe). Now the team was surprisingly successful and Dragic did experience his career year to date but much of that was when he got to play without Bledsoe, 22-7 vs 18-4 with and without splits. Then Phoenix spreads his talent impossibly thin by bringing in yet another PG and forcing him to defend SF on occasion.



So in 9 years hes been a full-time PG for like a 1 3/4 of his career. Its also worth noting that in all of these cases, his teams +/- indicate that hes the most important/pivotal player, as his teams tend to do better with him than with the guy hes sacrificing for. Its an interesting dilemma, was Wade truly his teams best player or simply incapable of playing behind Dragic? The Heat without Dragic but with Wade weren't close to touching the Dragic centric lineups. Same thing in Phoenix, when Bledsoe got hurt the team didn't miss a beat as Dragic pumped out 20-10's nightly. Houstons best lineups included him as well. This is the year we get to see if these +/- trends are predictive or not, if Miami overachieves I wont wonder why.







What do you guys expect from Dragic and the HEAT this year?

mrblisterdundee
10-03-2016, 06:41 PM
He'll definitely have the ball in his hands a lot.

KnicksorBust
10-03-2016, 07:45 PM
I refuse to respond to this thread because I only recognize one person as The Dragon. And that is Sisqo. Now shake that thong thong thong thong thong.

europagnpilgrim
10-03-2016, 09:17 PM
2017 will mark the first time in years that Goran Dragic returns to his natural position/role. Its sad enough that the poor guy has to deal with teammates forgetting his name but his sacrifices over the years go largely unnoticed. Miami fans blame his inconsistencies but hes been miscast as an outlet option when he should be running PnR non-stop. Now that Wade is gone, he can finally showcase his talent. The question is, does he still have the Dragon in him?

Here are Dragics stats with and w/out Wade on the court from last year. (Per 36)


With: 13.6PTS (58.1 TS%) - 5.9AST - 3.9REB -- (+1.3 +/-)
W/Out: 18.8PTS (58.6 TS%) - 7.3AST - 4.8REB -- (+6.3 +/-)


Im not sure why the duo didn't click as well as they had even just a few months prior upon arriving. There are many who speculate that perhaps the Legend of Dragic was born from a fluke stretch of play but think about what has become of him. Hes really had an interesting career...

Starts off as Nash's understudy, has that crazy 4th quarter that puts an end to the Richard Jefferson era in SA. Gets traded to Houston where he backs up Kyle Lowry but gets to show his stuff as a starter for 28 games (18-8-3), returns to Phoenix, has his most productive year to date and the team congratulates him by bringing in another PG(Eric Bledsoe). Now the team was surprisingly successful and Dragic did experience his career year to date but much of that was when he got to play without Bledsoe, 22-7 vs 18-4 with and without splits. Then Phoenix spreads his talent impossibly thin by bringing in yet another PG and forcing him to defend SF on occasion.



So in 9 years hes been a full-time PG for like a 1 3/4 of his career. Its also worth noting that in all of these cases, his teams +/- indicate that hes the most important/pivotal player, as his teams tend to do better with him than with the guy hes sacrificing for. Its an interesting dilemma, was Wade truly his teams best player or simply incapable of playing behind Dragic? The Heat without Dragic but with Wade weren't close to touching the Dragic centric lineups. Same thing in Phoenix, when Bledsoe got hurt the team didn't miss a beat as Dragic pumped out 20-10's nightly. Houstons best lineups included him as well. This is the year we get to see if these +/- trends are predictive or not, if Miami overachieves I wont wonder why.







What do you guys expect from Dragic and the HEAT this year?

Seems he just performs better with more usage filling in for others when needed, he is like a better version of Beno Udrih, good player but nothing to put you over the top

I hope he plays good so we can at least see some fearless rim attacking which I like to see more often since now the league is basically a 3pt shooting game

confidence/usage is something else in the world of sports, his was sky high in Phoenix and it showed in his numbers which he fleeced Riley out of damn near 100mill, the Dragon never went nowhere with that type of heist

HandsOnTheWheel
10-03-2016, 10:18 PM
Why not?

kobe4thewinbang
10-03-2016, 11:39 PM
He's a good player, never should've had him defer to D-Wade. But now...who is he going to pass to? Richardson might be back soon enough, but no more Deng, no more Bosh most likely...Wayne Ellington about to get a lot of shots.

Chronz
02-02-2017, 01:56 PM
So have the heat overachieved? Who's having a better year, Dragic or Wade?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
02-02-2017, 02:58 PM
Heat win lottery and draft the best PG and Dragic gets the shaft within a season or so. That's if he's still on the team.

Chronz
02-02-2017, 03:06 PM
Heat win lottery and draft the best PG and Dragic gets the shaft within a season or so. That's if he's still on the team.
True. Poor guy just never found a home despite his talent

valade16
02-02-2017, 03:10 PM
True. Poor guy just never found a home despite his talent

Bad time to be a non superstar PG. he's an above average league player and a league average PG.

Chronz
02-02-2017, 03:24 PM
Bad time to be a non superstar PG. he's an above average league player and a league average PG.

Sounds about right today, but throughout his peak, i disagree, just never got the full time job despite deserving it

J_M_B
02-02-2017, 05:43 PM
He might be playing the best basketball of his career and is the main reason for Miami's current 9 game win streak.

JasonJohnHorn
02-02-2017, 10:57 PM
I refuse to respond to this thread because I only recognize one person as The Dragon. And that is Bruce Lee.

Fixed.

IndyRealist
02-02-2017, 11:16 PM
Fixed.

+1.

mrblisterdundee
02-03-2017, 12:31 AM
Heat win lottery and draft the best PG and Dragic gets the shaft within a season or so. That's if he's still on the team.

Miami should really push a trade with Sacramento, if they're sticking with Cousins. Collison, McLemore and Cauley-Stein for Dragic should do it. Then trade Whiteside to Boston for Johnson, Crowder and Brooklyn's 2018 pick.
Between Crowder, Winslow and Cauley-Stein, Miami will have a pretty badass defense. Play Crowder at small forward until Winslow gets back, then slide him down to shooting guard he's 6'6", athletic and shoots 43 percent from three and put Waiters back on the bench. Start Cauley-Stein, who can guard basically anyone.
Miami can still tank this year and gets its high pick, picking a point guard. Brooklyn should still suck next year, providing Miami with yet another high lottery pick.
Boston gets a big-time rim protector, keeping this year's Brooklyn pick, Brown and Bradley.
Sacramento gets a hot-shooting point guard while only surrendering Collison's expiring, one of its four centers (including Cousins) and a barely used McLemore.

Wade n Fade
02-03-2017, 01:07 PM
Orlando had a solid offer for Goran, it's just the team doesn't have a need for Vucevic. I would've looked to add Boston to the mix for Vucevic.