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kobe4thewinbang
09-26-2016, 11:10 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2665981-james-harden-will-play-as-rockets-full-time-point-guard?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

Disaster in the making? Harden is no Steve Nash, and even D'Antoni can't stop the opposing point guards from embarrassing Harden on defense. I guess he could use his size over some point guards, but he is not a pass-first player.

Do you see this possibly working out? Or complete train wreck?

I've seen people say he'll average 29pts/9asts/12tos to it possibly being a good idea.

I doubt it!

TheMightyHumph
09-26-2016, 11:50 PM
Good Luck, and God Bless!

ROY 2 MVP Braun
09-27-2016, 12:00 AM
If he can get his turnovers down and actually get it in his head that he needs to pass the ball it could work. I mean he is hell of a playmaker. I think if he were to pass the ball and see success with it that he would be more willing to give it up more. However if he does end up giving it upa lot to start the year n the team is sucking I can see him starting to pass a ton less and trust teammates less which than will blow up in their face and not work at all

kobe4thewinbang
09-27-2016, 01:37 AM
If he can get his turnovers down and actually get it in his head that he needs to pass the ball it could work. I mean he is hell of a playmaker. I think if he were to pass the ball and see success with it that he would be more willing to give it up more. However if he does end up giving it upa lot to start the year n the team is sucking I can see him starting to pass a ton less and trust teammates less which than will blow up in their face and not work at allAs a Lakers fan, I ain't fond of D'Antoni but at least he is about the PG. Plus, with Eric Gordon (presumably healthy) and Ryan Anderson, Harden's gotta realize the firepower he has now. To limit those guys will probably tick off ownership who paid a lot for those two guys and cost them some games, whereas sharing the ball will keep defenses honest. Their offense could be special.

ewing
09-27-2016, 07:00 AM
he wasn't last year?

IndyRealist
09-27-2016, 08:47 AM
Harden has always initiated most of the offense. He was a SG strictly to hide him on defense.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2016, 09:33 AM
Harden has always initiated most of the offense. He was a SG strictly to hide him on defense.

pretty much.

R!kSm!tz
09-27-2016, 10:34 AM
SG position lost Harden and Butler this summer.

KnicksorBust
09-27-2016, 11:12 AM
Wow I wonder what it's going to be like watching Harden at the top of the key running pick and rolls and pushing the ball in transition... oh wait.

Htownballa1622
09-27-2016, 12:47 PM
All this was saying was that he would be primary creator and ball handler(which he has been).

This is nothing new. In fact, he's going to get more assist opportunities this year with the improved shooting on the team. He was 6th in the league with 7.5 assists per game already.

mrblisterdundee
09-27-2016, 12:54 PM
Harden has always initiated most of the offense. He was a SG strictly to hide him on defense.

Obviously. I don't see why a team would care whether he play at shooting or point guard. Either way, his back court teammate needs to be a defensive specialist. George Hill would have been a nice pairing at point guard for the Rockets.

FlashBolt
09-27-2016, 02:20 PM
All this was saying was that he would be primary creator and ball handler(which he has been).

This is nothing new. In fact, he's going to get more assist opportunities this year with the improved shooting on the team. He was 6th in the league with 7.5 assists per game already.

He'll get more assists because D'Antoni is going to have them shooting shots under ten seconds. His experiment never works and they'll be exposed in the playoffs.. just like D'Antoni's teams always do. I'm curious as to how they plan on solving Harden's defense. Are they awarding him for not playing defense? D'Antoni is the only coach I've seen who avoids defense 100% of the game and quite frankly, Harden isn't Nash. They don't have the personnel to become an offensive threat capable of beating elite teams.

Htownballa1622
09-27-2016, 02:43 PM
He'll get more assists because D'Antoni is going to have them shooting shots under ten seconds. His experiment never works and they'll be exposed in the playoffs.. just like D'Antoni's teams always do. I'm curious as to how they plan on solving Harden's defense. Are they awarding him for not playing defense? D'Antoni is the only coach I've seen who avoids defense 100% of the game and quite frankly, Harden isn't Nash. They don't have the personnel to become an offensive threat capable of beating elite teams.

Oh, for sure they'd get exposed in playoffs. They're not expected to do much by most people. Their o/u for wins is 41.5 lol.

I think their ceiling is a 5/6 seed with a fun offense(top 5) and wishful thinking to get a top 15-20 defense.

I think they're planning on maximizing the offense and hoping the defense comes along with help from the new coach Bzdelik(former Grizz assistant).

MTar786
09-28-2016, 07:28 PM
i think harden is best used as a point guard who passes as much as he shoots. he can penetrate and create for his other players because of his size and matchup advantage.

Chronz
09-28-2016, 08:08 PM
Maybe hes going to set his teammates up even more, its not like its unheard of to alter your approach, however slightly, with a new coach/teammates.

Like AI played the 1 and 2 at various lengths throughout his career. He wasn't just a combo guard.

TheMightyHumph
09-28-2016, 08:48 PM
Maybe hes going to set his teammates up even more, its not like its unheard of to alter your approach, however slightly, with a new coach/teammates.

Like AI played the 1 and 2 at various lengths throughout his career. He wasn't just a combo guard.

Lotsa maybes in the offseason.

Stunner
09-28-2016, 09:12 PM
Beverly is still starting next to harden its basically what it was last year just harden being called the point

Still prob get an all NBA snub

FlashBolt
09-28-2016, 10:12 PM
i think harden is best used as a point guard who passes as much as he shoots. he can penetrate and create for his other players because of his size and matchup advantage.

Well, he's a ball-dominating guard. It's pretty much standard for those players to play PG roles. Beverley will handle the ball and allow for Harden to get some breathing room but let's be honest here, Harden will run the show. Hell, LeBron plays PG for the Cavs and he's a small forward. Positions don't really matter if you have that skillset and Harden definitely is capable of that.

Raps18-19 Champ
09-28-2016, 11:45 PM
He handled the ball 99% of the time anyway

MTar786
09-29-2016, 03:30 AM
my point is harden sucks when hes trying to play like kobe

Mave1002
09-29-2016, 04:44 AM
Can the Rockets add Rudy Gay, Lou Williams and Nick Young (just to take em off our hands) to MDAs' 7 seconds or less offense? :)

Capela/NeNe
Dekker/Anderson
Gay/Young/McDaniels
Gordon/Williams
Harden/Ennis/GP3

Kings get Ariza and Beverly
Lakers get Brewer and WCS

IndyRealist
09-29-2016, 08:49 AM
That's the second time I've seen someone say the Lakers could get WCS for their crap players no one wants. Is there a rumor I don't know about? Didn't they just pay Nick Young?

Htownballa1622
09-29-2016, 09:27 AM
Edit....nvm

mavwar53
09-29-2016, 09:41 AM
How is this news to some, have people not watched this guy with the ball in his hands 95% of the time the past 2-3 years or basically since becoming a Rocket.

IndyRealist
09-29-2016, 11:32 AM
How is this news to some, have people not watched this guy with the ball in his hands 95% of the time the past 2-3 years or basically since becoming a Rocket.

I think it's just a slow news cycle. The biggest NBA news going on is Michael Beasley getting traded and Darren Collison's pending suspension. Not exactly blockbusters.

Hawkeye15
09-29-2016, 01:20 PM
Beverly is still starting next to harden its basically what it was last year just harden being called the point

Still prob get an all NBA snub

somebody has to guard a guard

c.c.
10-01-2016, 06:32 AM
Harden has always initiated most of the offense. He was a SG strictly to hide him on defense.

Allen Iverson 🤔

Stunner
10-01-2016, 09:20 PM
So

Curry
Harden
Russ
CP3
Lillard
Wall
Kyrie
Lowry

FlashBolt
10-03-2016, 02:08 AM
So

Curry
Harden
Russ
CP3
Lillard
Wall
Kyrie
Lowry

All of which outside CP3, Lowry, and MAYBE Wall, can play SG's too. Positions are really ineffective these days. Frontcourt/backcourt makes much more sense tbh. I've seen SF's play better PG's than most PG's and SG's play PG but can't pass for shiet.

Stunner
10-03-2016, 06:51 PM
Coach Nick


https://youtu.be/Ypc5tNE3QkY