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Dade County
06-25-2016, 10:12 AM
And it begins LoL



Oklahoma City Thunder superstar Kevin Durant is planning to host free-agency meetings at a singular location starting July 1, league sources told The Vertical.

Durantís representatives at Roc Nation are working to solidify invitations with the Boston Celtics, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs and Thunder, league sources said.
The meetings are expected to take place in New York, but teams are still awaiting word on a location. - See more at: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/durant-reportedly-choosing-between-these-six-teams-414952.html#sthash.IgdaM9t4.dpuf

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=414952

Miltstar
06-25-2016, 10:17 AM
I think his best move is to stay put, I love the trade they just made, should be ready to make another title run if he stays in OKC

lavell12
06-25-2016, 10:17 AM
I don't see the Clippers happening. Durant isn't a guy who needs the spotlight in LA or NY. I'd actually like the Celtics b/c I think that would be the most interesting fit.

kdspurman
06-25-2016, 10:29 AM
I changed the thread title, figure anything that happens w/KD during this FA we can just discuss here

shep33
06-25-2016, 10:33 AM
Honestly, this dude is straight weird. Why the **** would you want to leave the Thunder? One of the best GM's in basketball.


Forreal, this is coming from a KD fan...Dude choked in the playoffs.... at times Russy did too, but this is just me, I just think Russy impacts the game in other areas more than Durant.

In the playoffs, KD shot 43% and 28% from 3. Averages: 28.4, 7.1 rpg, 3.3 apg.


Russy shot 40.5%, 32.4% from 3. Averages. 26, 6.9 rpg, 11apg,

To me, this is so insane for him to leave. Arguably the most talented team in the NBA, and your GM just made your team better. You have a top 5-6 player on your team, a good coach, two very good 7 footers with Adams emerging as one of the better centers in the NBA at the age of 22, and Kanter being a dynamic offensive option and great offensive rebounder. Add in Ersan who is a decent stretch 4 to add spacing like Ibaka did. Oladipo who is gonna be perfect for them, and Sabonis who is going to be a great 3rd big.

Shocking.

Dade County
06-25-2016, 10:34 AM
I changed the thread title, figure anything that happens w/KD during this FA we can just discuss here

Smart move, instead having each teams fans create their own KD thread topic.

It's going to get crazy starting July 1st. The media will manipulate everything.

Dade County
06-25-2016, 10:44 AM
Honestly, this dude is straight weird. Why the **** would you want to leave the Thunder? One of the best GM's in basketball.

They cost him one or 2 championships by trading away Harden. The front office has shown they are not about winning at all cost.



Forreal, this is coming from a KD fan...Dude choked in the playoffs.... at times Russy did too, but this is just me, I just think Russy impacts the game in other areas more than Durant.

In the playoffs, KD shot 43% and 28% from 3. Averages: 28.4, 7.1 rpg, 3.3 apg.


Russy shot 40.5%, 32.4% from 3. Averages. 26, 6.9 rpg, 11apg,

Yes, they have 2 very talented players, to bad they couldn't keep Harden for the icing on the cake.




To me, this is so insane for him to leave. Arguably the most talented team in the NBA, and your GM just made your team better.

Because he F'ed up by trading away Harden... All KD has to do is bring this up and the owner & GM won't have anything to really say. The owners didn't want to go into the tax to keep their team together.

It was a stupid move, so now they are trying to re-create it by making this trade.



You have a top 5-6 player on your team, a good coach, two very good 7 footers with Adams emerging as one of the better centers in the NBA at the age of 22, and Kanter being a dynamic offensive option and great offensive rebounder. Add in Ersan who is a decent stretch 4 to add spacing like Ibaka did. Oladipo who is gonna be perfect for them, and Sabonis who is going to be a great 3rd big.

Shocking.

Yes, it's a good team... Maybe to little to late though. KD can't get back the years he wasted.

GiantsSwaGG
06-25-2016, 10:46 AM
Honestly, this dude is straight weird. Why the **** would you want to leave the Thunder? One of the best GM's in basketball.


Forreal, this is coming from a KD fan...Dude choked in the playoffs.... at times Russy did too, but this is just me, I just think Russy impacts the game in other areas more than Durant.

In the playoffs, KD shot 43% and 28% from 3. Averages: 28.4, 7.1 rpg, 3.3 apg.


Russy shot 40.5%, 32.4% from 3. Averages. 26, 6.9 rpg, 11apg,

To me, this is so insane for him to leave. Arguably the most talented team in the NBA, and your GM just made your team better. You have a top 5-6 player on your team, a good coach, two very good 7 footers with Adams emerging as one of the better centers in the NBA at the age of 22, and Kanter being a dynamic offensive option and great offensive rebounder. Add in Ersan who is a decent stretch 4 to add spacing like Ibaka did. Oladipo who is gonna be perfect for them, and Sabonis who is going to be a great 3rd big.

Shocking.

I guess to do his due diligence, forcing the Thunder to improve the team but I agree he choked in the playoffs. He has the skill set of a franchise/#1 option but the mentally of a 2nd/3rd option. He doesn't have the killer instinct!

shep33
06-25-2016, 11:15 AM
They cost him one or 2 championships by trading away Harden. The front office has shown they are not about winning at all cost.



Yes, they have 2 very talented players, to bad they couldn't keep Harden for the icing on the cake.




Because he F'ed up by trading away Harden... All KD has to do is bring this up and the owner & GM won't have anything to really say. The owners didn't want to go into the tax to keep their team together.

It was a stupid move, so now they are trying to re-create it by making this trade.



Yes, it's a good team... Maybe to little to late though. KD can't get back the years he wasted.

OKC with Harden, IMO would not have won a title.

It was Harden or Ibaka... At the time Ibaka provided more of what they needed. Ibaka was actually phenomenal for 2 years after Harden left. He provided good defense and was an amazing floor spacer who never demanded the ball. Harden could make plays and shoot, but the Thunder would've been terrible defensively had they given up Serge at the time in place of Harden. Interior defense and shotblocking would have been a joke for them.

OKC probably wouldn't have won anything. Last year with Harden they wouldn't have won ****. Durant was hurt. The year before they went 6 games against a hungry Spurs team who was unstoppable.

The year before that Westbrook got hurt and only played 2 playoff games.

IMO, OKC still wouldn't have won a title with Harden during that 3 year stretch.

D-Leethal
06-25-2016, 11:34 AM
OKC with Harden, IMO would not have won a title.

It was Harden or Ibaka... At the time Ibaka provided more of what they needed. Ibaka was actually phenomenal for 2 years after Harden left. He provided good defense and was an amazing floor spacer who never demanded the ball. Harden could make plays and shoot, but the Thunder would've been terrible defensively had they given up Serge at the time in place of Harden. Interior defense and shotblocking would have been a joke for them.

OKC probably wouldn't have won anything. Last year with Harden they wouldn't have won ****. Durant was hurt. The year before they went 6 games against a hungry Spurs team who was unstoppable.

The year before that Westbrook got hurt and only played 2 playoff games.

IMO, OKC still wouldn't have won a title with Harden during that 3 year stretch.

It was only "Harden or Ibaka" because they were too cheap to retain both. That's the point he is making.

beasted86
06-25-2016, 12:05 PM
They could have paid Ibaka and Harden if they didn't have overpaid Perkins. Thunder front office deserves some blame.



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ChI_ShIzzLe
06-25-2016, 12:11 PM
My prediction is he jumps ship to GS and the NBA season will only be 2 weeks as the Cavs and Warriors will be allowed to start the inevitable Finals matchup in November.

shep33
06-25-2016, 12:23 PM
It was only "Harden or Ibaka" because they were too cheap to retain both. That's the point he is making.


See I don't think they're cheap at all. They just had the 3rd highest salary in the NBA last year. I think Presti is just smarter than all of us. Instead of destroying your cap with 4 solid guys he built a team with some depth and young talent while accumulating great assets.

Dade County
06-25-2016, 12:37 PM
It was only "Harden or Ibaka" because they were too cheap to retain both. That's the point he is making.

Thank You.


See I don't think they're cheap at all. They just had the 3rd highest salary in the NBA last year. I think Presti is just smarter than all of us. Instead of destroying your cap with 4 solid guys he built a team with some depth and young talent while accumulating great assets.

When the situation was going down, it was well known that OKC management didn't want a high pay roll. So if it wasn't for that report, I could maybe see your point.

They are spending now, because they know they F'ed up. They want to keep KD, so they are trying to recreate the tiro they had in the past.

Dade County
06-25-2016, 12:42 PM
OKC with Harden, IMO would not have won a title.

IMO they would have 2 championship.



It was Harden or Ibaka... At the time Ibaka provided more of what they needed. Ibaka was actually phenomenal for 2 years after Harden left. He provided good defense and was an amazing floor spacer who never demanded the ball. Harden could make plays and shoot, but the Thunder would've been terrible defensively had they given up Serge at the time in place of Harden. Interior defense and shotblocking would have been a joke for them.

OKC probably wouldn't have won anything. Last year with Harden they wouldn't have won ****. Durant was hurt. The year before they went 6 games against a hungry Spurs team who was unstoppable.

The year before that Westbrook got hurt and only played 2 playoff games.

IMO, OKC still wouldn't have won a title with Harden during that 3 year stretch.

I'm sorry, but you thinking this way doesn't reflect the team you follow. I can tell you this, the Lakers or Miami would not have traded Harden or thought about picking either harden or Ibaka.

THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT BOTH OF THEM, and kept it moving.

shep33
06-25-2016, 12:48 PM
IMO they would have 2 championship.



I'm sorry, but you thinking this way doesn't reflect the team you follow. I can tell you this, the Lakers or Miami would not have traded Harden or thought about picking either harden or Ibaka.

THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT BOTH OF THEM, and kept it moving.

Without question they would not have won in 2013 when Russy got hurt, and last year when Durant got hurt. I just don't see how they could've beaten the Spurs in 2014. That Spurs team would've beat this years Warriors team and crushed the Cavs in 5 games.

My point is, the Thunder now, are better than they would have ever been with Harden, Ibaka, Russy, and KD. I think chemistry issues would have developed. Russy and KD don't get at times, how the hell were those 3 going to gel when Harden became the player he is today? Not enough ball to go around.

Sadds The Gr8
06-25-2016, 12:48 PM
he staying. next year will be more interesting.

raiderposting
06-25-2016, 12:50 PM
Lakers not getting a meeting is a bummer. If I had to guess I think he becomes a Celtic.

Heediot
06-25-2016, 12:55 PM
He will end up staying in OKC for one year. Him and Westy will give the team one more chance to at least make the finals.

They should sign David West to vet min deal. Find a taker for Kanter (For a backup sf and expiring) and his big salary

Quietmoney
06-25-2016, 12:56 PM
Knicks not getting a meeting... I would've loved to see him and PORZINGIS along with Melo and D Rose.. That nucleus sounds like a lock for conference finals at least every year until they bring it home..

Dade County
06-25-2016, 01:11 PM
Without question they would not have won in 2013 when Russy got hurt, and last year when Durant got hurt. I just don't see how they could've beaten the Spurs in 2014. That Spurs team would've beat this years Warriors team and crushed the Cavs in 5 games.

Well we don't know if Russ would have gotten injured because Houston would not have been playing them in that rd of the playoffs without Harden.

But we don't know what would of happened.



My point is, the Thunder now, are better than they would have ever been with Harden, Ibaka, Russy, and KD. I think chemistry issues would have developed. Russy and KD don't get at times, how the hell were those 3 going to gel when Harden became the player he is today? Not enough ball to go around.

I feel you... But that doesn't matter, as an organization you try to make it work, and come up with a game plan that all 3 of them could excel in.

Would your Lakers have traded Harden away because of potential cap problems? The answer is hell no.

And remember Harden was still young, so you can't compare this future oKC team, to the team Harden was on in the past.

And I believe OKC wins the 2014 & 2015 championship & they might have beaten Lbj this year too. But thats my opinion.

mngopher35
06-25-2016, 01:32 PM
My first choice (and his obvious best landing spot :up: ) is the Twolves

Honestly though I do think he stays with the Thunder, at least one more year.

shep33
06-25-2016, 01:34 PM
Well we don't know if Russ would have gotten injured because Houston would not have been playing them in that rd of the playoffs without Harden.

But we don't know what would of happened.



I feel you... But that doesn't matter, as an organization you try to make it work, and come up with a game plan that all 3 of them could excel in.

Would your Lakers have traded Harden away because of potential cap problems? The answer is hell no.

And remember Harden was still young, so you can't compare this future oKC team, to the team Harden was on in the past.

And I believe OKC wins the 2014 & 2015 championship & they might have beaten Lbj this year too. But thats my opinion.


I get what you're saying, and respect your opinion. Truth is we're playing the "what if" game and i think that's always tricky.

That being said, I hope he stays.

IKnowHoops
06-25-2016, 01:53 PM
My first choice (and his obvious best landing spot :up: ) is the Twolves

Honestly though I do think he stays with the Thunder, at least one more year.

Trade Rubio+ for Jabbari Parker
Go get Evan Turner and OJ Mayo in free agency

Dunn/Jones
Lavine/Turner/Mayo
Wiggins/Bazz
Durant/Parker
KAT/Dieng

Team can matchup with GS and I would think they can challenge for a title next year.

PhillyFaninLA
06-25-2016, 02:06 PM
You won't win a title with Westbrook, I say go to the Spurs or Miami.....the Warriors don't need another offensive player. They need support player depth (they need to upgrade roster spots (8 - 12) with specialists at one or two things.

Heediot
06-25-2016, 02:19 PM
You won't win a title with Westbrook, I say go to the Spurs or Miami.....the Warriors don't need another offensive player. They need support player depth (they need to upgrade roster spots (8 - 12) with specialists at one or two things.

You can win with Westy as your number two option. Just as you can win with Kyrie as your number 2. The problem is Westy needs to defer more, or execute down the stretch.

eDush
06-25-2016, 02:35 PM
You won't win a title with Westbrook, I say go to the Spurs or Miami.....the Warriors don't need another offensive player. They need support player depth (they need to upgrade roster spots (8 - 12) with specialists at one or two things.

You can win with Westy as your number two option. Just as you can win with Kyrie as your number 2. The problem is Westy needs to defer more, or execute down the stretch.
Westy rarely defers when the game is one the line when Durant was out. He is the only guy he would defer to cause he is Durant. Anyone who doesn't is out the door :nod:.

shep33
06-25-2016, 02:38 PM
People saying you won't win with Russ is definitely not fair. KD wasn't that good this postseason fellas. Can't just put this on Russ

BKLYNpigeon
06-25-2016, 03:15 PM
Time to leave OKC this year or the next.

They're too cheap to keep the core together. You guys actually think OKC is willing to pay KD, Russ and Adams max deals next year? Haha forget about it. They will be deep into the tax.

mngopher35
06-25-2016, 03:21 PM
My first choice (and his obvious best landing spot :up: ) is the Twolves

Honestly though I do think he stays with the Thunder, at least one more year.

Trade Rubio+ for Jabbari Parker
Go get Evan Turner and OJ Mayo in free agency

Dunn/Jones
Lavine/Turner/Mayo
Wiggins/Bazz
Durant/Parker
KAT/Dieng

Team can matchup with GS and I would think they can challenge for a title next year.

Lol I'm not going to agree with ur crazy scenarios. The team you created would have been better off without trading for Parker and they probably wouldnt make it anyways. Rubio fits great as a distributer for that group and Dunn is a rookie that would be off the bench if we were competing for a title.

I would love Durant joining us it doesn't seem realistic though.

IKnowHoops
06-25-2016, 03:27 PM
Lol I'm not going to agree with ur crazy scenarios. The team you created would have been better off without trading for Parker and they probably wouldnt make it anyways. Rubio fits great as a distributer for that group and Dunn is a rookie that would be off the bench if we were competing for a title.

I would love Durant joining us it doesn't seem realistic though.

hahaha, Its fun to be unrealistic

mngopher35
06-25-2016, 03:39 PM
hahaha, Its fun to be unrealistic

Can't disagree with that, I get caught up in it from time to time as well. Especially with the way the Wolves looked the last decade. Now that we have some legit talent I don't need to do it as much though haha.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-25-2016, 03:46 PM
Knicks not getting a meeting... I would've loved to see him and PORZINGIS along with Melo and D Rose.. That nucleus sounds like a lock for conference finals at least every year until they bring it home..

I cri everytim

Chronz
06-25-2016, 04:02 PM
Staying in OKC would bring him a unique level of glory, going to the Warriors or Spurs would be unprecedented moves. Clips would be interesting but not a top priority.

likemystylez
06-25-2016, 04:09 PM
id like to see him in a warriors uniform- and id like to see the warriors for once land a quality free agent player.

DODGERS&LAKERS
06-25-2016, 04:19 PM
I would like him to go east but he wont do it for another year. If hes smart he signs the 1 and 1 and does this all again. But I am starting to think he might be looking for a long term deal. Why go through all the hoopla if you already know the 1 and 1 gets you the most money? I cant believe I am typing this, but if Boston can get him and another star, that might be the best place for him.

Chronz
06-25-2016, 04:22 PM
Portland should be an option imo, they just need the right C

eDush
06-25-2016, 04:26 PM
id like to see him in a warriors uniform- and id like to see the warriors for once land a quality free agent player.
That's Iggy (still on the team) and if you don't agree, then you don't know the Dubs roster as well as I thought you do.
:dance::dance2:

IKnowHoops
06-25-2016, 04:26 PM
Could Cleveland do a sign and trade with Love?

eDush
06-25-2016, 04:34 PM
Could Cleveland do a sign and trade with Love?
No, he is already signed for another 4 years and don't qualify to sign an extension this early unless he renounce his contract which the players union would not allow nor his current team if he doesn't play ball after what had happen with the Boozer incident.
:dance:

Saddletramp
06-25-2016, 04:39 PM
No, he is already signed for another 4 years and don't qualify to sign an extension this early unless he renounce his contract which the players union would not allow nor his current team if he doesn't play ball after what had happen with the Boozer incident.
:dance:

I think he means sign and trade KD for Love and a few spare parts.



But if assume he'd stay on the 1+1 but you never know.

eDush
06-25-2016, 04:52 PM
No, he is already signed for another 4 years and don't qualify to sign an extension this early unless he renounce his contract which the players union would not allow nor his current team if he doesn't play ball after what had happen with the Boozer incident.
:dance:

I think he means sign and trade KD for Love and a few spare parts.



But if assume he'd stay on the 1+1 but you never know.
Then he should have type OKC instead of Cleveland would do that with Durant for Love.

Making assumptions can piss people off like I assume this one poster he wanted to offer Barnes a poison pill to make it difficult for my Dubs to match and he accuse me of having bad reading comprehension and other accusations that resorted to making fun of my handle name. That's why I stop making assumptions :(

naps
06-25-2016, 05:27 PM
KD has always maintained he is not about the limelight, focus, and attention. He wanted to do his business quietly all the time, or at least that's how he advertised himself to be. If he is true to those words, then I think he is leaving. He would not have called in bunch of teams in a location if he was staying. I still think his best move is staying in another year but now I am starting to doubt it.

Scoots
06-25-2016, 05:42 PM
Trade Rubio+ for Jabbari Parker
Go get Evan Turner and OJ Mayo in free agency

Dunn/Jones
Lavine/Turner/Mayo
Wiggins/Bazz
Durant/Parker
KAT/Dieng

Team can matchup with GS and I would think they can challenge for a title next year.

Don't think you are going to get KD telling him he's going to play the 4. He'd rather play 2 than 4.

eDush
06-25-2016, 05:46 PM
KD has always maintained he is not about the limelight, focus, and attention. He wanted to do his business quietly all the time, or at least that's how he advertised himself to be. If he is true to those words, then I think he is leaving. He would not have called in bunch of teams in a location if he was staying. I still think his best move is staying in another year but now I am starting to doubt it.
Just cause a player maintain he is not about attention as you have remind us, doesn't mean it's true unless you think freely using tweeter to voice controversial opinions or mocks Curry like a child when ask if he was a good defender during a post interview is keeping a low profile, then you are gullible. Even Curry seeks attention even if he denies it too which I will not go into. $$$ and fame does thing to humans that you can't comprehend maybe :(.

uprightciti
06-25-2016, 05:49 PM
He is going to the sonics


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likemystylez
06-25-2016, 05:54 PM
That's Iggy (still on the team) and if you don't agree, then you don't know the Dubs roster as well as I thought you do.
:dance::dance2:

by quality free agent, I mean a top 5 mvp canidate year in and year out... like a lebron james, kevin durant type player

europagnpilgrim
06-25-2016, 06:03 PM
People on here are overrating that Magic/OKC trade big time

if Oladipo was such a gem he wouldn't have big traded in the first place, and he put up like 16ppg(career) on a Magic team that didn't boast 2 of the top 5(at best, one for sure in KD) so what makes you think he will come to the Thunder and have such a major impact if he isn't a pure flame shooter or virtual first team all D lock? I believe this trade was done just in case KD leaves and that will give Oladipo a much better chance to showcase his talents as if he didn't already for the Magic and plus its more of a guard/3pt shooting era of nba


I don't care about the DWade comparison because if that's the case nobody trades a young DWade esque player, the journeyman and Sabonis were throw ins since we all know what a journeyman can do and a guy who went 11th in this era wouldn't have barely been looked at in past years

you tinker around the core, not trade 2 of its premier players from it, and its hard to have 2 core players to start let alone the 4 they initially had

Presti is becoming like Dumars was in Detroit, very good until that one dumb move to break your franchise down, see Melo not being drafted for Dumars and the Harden trade by Presti, all over 5 million dollars

they haven't recovered from it since, and to top it off blew a 3-1 lead that I am quite sure they could have closed the deal with Harden/Durant/Westbrook down the stretch, Harden was big time down the stretch many a times outside of that 12' Finals, Durant would give him the ball without hesitation and get out the way

Scoots
06-25-2016, 06:09 PM
by quality free agent, I mean a top 5 mvp canidate year in and year out... like a lebron james, kevin durant type player

It's saying things like this that make me think you might actually be crazy.

Please tell me how many of the teams in the NBA have made such a deal in the last 20 years? And don't include LeBron's moves.

Last year it was top 20 FA and now it's only possible to be a qualify FA signing if the player is an MVP candidate?

eDush
06-25-2016, 06:12 PM
That's Iggy (still on the team) and if you don't agree, then you don't know the Dubs roster as well as I thought you do.
:dance::dance2:

by quality free agent, I mean a top 5 mvp canidate year in and year out... like a lebron james, kevin durant type player
You did watch last year finals where Iggy single handedly stop Lebron in winning FMVP after being 1-2 with the Ineffective Bogut. Replacing the adjective 'quality' with 'elite' to your original statement if those are the players you are seeking.

Considering that Durant is a choker in big games and part of the reason why they blew a 1-3 series lead, not sure if I would want him over someone more reliable in big games. Blowing that 30 point lead in losing to the Clippers should tell you hat already besides him constantly shooting bricks in that game like an muskrat lover, I rather sign a Biyombo/Horford. That would be the smart move Stylez :nod:.

hotdalton18
06-25-2016, 06:16 PM
That's Iggy (still on the team) and if you don't agree, then you don't know the Dubs roster as well as I thought you do.
:dance::dance2:

by quality free agent, I mean a top 5 mvp canidate year in and year out... like a lebron james, kevin durant type player
You did watch last year finals where Iggy single handedly stop Lebron in winning FMVP after being 1-2 with the Ineffective Bogut. Replacing the adjective 'quality' with 'elite' to your original statement if those are the players you are seeking.

Considering that Durant is a choker in big games and part of the reason why they blew a 1-3 series lead, not sure if I would want him over someone more reliable in big games. Blowing that 30 point lead in losing to the Clippers should tell you hat already besides him constantly shooting bricks in that game like an muskrat lover, I rather sign a Biyombo/Horford. That would be the smart move Stylez :nod:.


So I guess you don't want curry either?

Since he's been garbage/Average in 2 straight finals ?

And lost a 3-1 lead?

eDush
06-25-2016, 06:26 PM
by quality free agent, I mean a top 5 mvp canidate year in and year out... like a lebron james, kevin durant type player

It's saying things like this that make me think you might actually be crazy.

Please tell me how many of the teams in the NBA have made such a deal in the last 20 years? And don't include LeBron's moves.

Last year it was top 20 FA and now it's only possible to be a qualify FA signing if the player is an MVP candidate?
I don't think he's crazy but he's very impatient and tend to snap at any players, even key players, for not giving their full effort win or lose :(. He tends to fancy offensive dominant players like he wanted Love so bad 2 years ago when he was available where he would trade Klay for him straight up as the only way to real contenders. Just be glad he doesn't make personnel decisions for the Dubs :nod:.

eDush
06-25-2016, 06:33 PM
That's Iggy (still on the team) and if you don't agree, then you don't know the Dubs roster as well as I thought you do.
:dance::dance2:

by quality free agent, I mean a top 5 mvp canidate year in and year out... like a lebron james, kevin durant type player
You did watch last year finals where Iggy single handedly stop Lebron in winning FMVP after being 1-2 with the Ineffective Bogut. Replacing the adjective 'quality' with 'elite' to your original statement if those are the players you are seeking.

Considering that Durant is a choker in big games and part of the reason why they blew a 1-3 series lead, not sure if I would want him over someone more reliable in big games. Blowing that 30 point lead in losing to the Clippers should tell you hat already besides him constantly shooting bricks in that game like an muskrat lover, I rather sign a Biyombo/Horford. That would be the smart move Stylez :nod:.


So I guess you don't want curry either?

Since he's been garbage/Average in 2 straight finals ?

And lost a 3-1 lead?
He was playing more like 75% healthy after being hurt badly and was out for 2 weeks that it affected his game. If this was Rose, he wouldn't even came back. You don't win back to back MVP and currently the best clutch shooter in the world for nothing. Hardly a choker like Durant has been his entire career even back in collage. Google his name and 'choke' to see how many hits you get, it's real :nod:.

:dance:

likemystylez
06-25-2016, 07:36 PM
It's saying things like this that make me think you might actually be crazy.

Please tell me how many of the teams in the NBA have made such a deal in the last 20 years? And don't include LeBron's moves.

Last year it was top 20 FA and now it's only possible to be a qualify FA signing if the player is an MVP candidate?

hmmm, shaq signed with the lakers in 1996. Grant Hill before injury signed with the magic (I really do think he woulda been hall of fame if he stayed healthy). Kevin Garnett technically arranged a sign and trade with the celtics in 2008. Lebron was signed by two teams. Dwight howard signed with the rockets (obviously a huge backfire- but at the time he had many teams that considered him a top 5 impact player)

LOl and im not saying they need to get a star free agent every summer, but once in a while wouldnt hurt would it? I mean here we are talking about the spurs who have had arguably one of the best 20 yr stretches in the history of pro sports- and they are in a position to possibly sign lamarcus aldridge and kevin durant in back to back summers.

LOL IM saying id like the warriors to receive one of those top tier players just once in 40+ yrs. Im just tired of the team coming back with devean george and mikki moore and calling it a "very productive offseason"

likemystylez
06-25-2016, 07:40 PM
He was playing more like 75% healthy after being hurt badly and was out for 2 weeks that it affected his game. If this was Rose, he wouldn't even came back. You don't win back to back MVP and currently the best clutch shooter in the world for nothing. Hardly a choker like Durant has been his entire career even back in collage. Google his name and 'choke' to see how many hits you get, it's real :nod:.

:dance:

edush, stop making excuses for the warriors. it makes us warriors fans seem more pathetic. with a 3-1 lead and home court advantage and a deeper roster.... regardless of all your excuses, warriors should have found a way to close it out. stop trying to justify the utter failure.... this is all on the warriors and imo a lack of effort was a huge part of it. Very sad too- cuz most rational people would agree that the warriors are the better team too. They just ran into a team that wanted it more.....

Scoots
06-25-2016, 08:54 PM
hmmm, shaq signed with the lakers in 1996. Grant Hill before injury signed with the magic (I really do think he woulda been hall of fame if he stayed healthy). Kevin Garnett technically arranged a sign and trade with the celtics in 2008. Lebron was signed by two teams. Dwight howard signed with the rockets (obviously a huge backfire- but at the time he had many teams that considered him a top 5 impact player)

LOl and im not saying they need to get a star free agent every summer, but once in a while wouldnt hurt would it? I mean here we are talking about the spurs who have had arguably one of the best 20 yr stretches in the history of pro sports- and they are in a position to possibly sign lamarcus aldridge and kevin durant in back to back summers.

LOL IM saying id like the warriors to receive one of those top tier players just once in 40+ yrs. Im just tired of the team coming back with devean george and mikki moore and calling it a "very productive offseason"

Dwight Howard didn't get a single MVP vote that year ... not any votes in any of the ballots ... not even any 5th place votes. He was not a top 5 player in the NBA. I won't count him at all.

Shaq finished 10th in MVP voting that year, so not top 5 ... but at least he was closer.

A few years later when Hill went to Orlando (as a sign and trade) Shaq was the MVP, but Hill finished 8th.

When Garnett went to Boston (NOT SIGNED, it was a straight trade, and a HUGE one. He later signed an extension to take effect 2 years later.) in his 13th season he was 10th in MVP voting.

So, other than LeBron (who is a special case as he's the one making the deals not the teams) no top 5 players (based on the reasonable historical metric of MVP voting) has changed teams as a FA. Even if we allow all of your examples (which I am not :) ) that means 5 teams have made such deals in the last 20 years. Pretty rare.

The above example is why I've been saying all along that the ONLY thing that matters is what KD wants. If he WANTS to be a Warrior then they will figure it out because they can't offer him more money. I would suggest that they will tell him they'll do what they need to do to sign him, but once he's on board they will talk about giving him and Curry matching less than max deals to allow the team some modicum of flexibility.

More-Than-Most
06-25-2016, 09:25 PM
If he leaves the thunder for anyone besides the cavs/warriors/spurs/clippers it would just be moronic... If he goes to any of those teams though he is basically saying he needs even more help to win a championship... Hes a free agent and can go where he wants but this guy has been force fed talent around him since he stepped into the league... He might have had the best situation of anyone not named Kobe when he entered basketball.. His team became stacked really quickly and still he could not get the job done. I just wonder how people will react if he leaves and goes to a more talented team... When James left he also had every right to because free agency but he left because the cavs werent putting any talent around him... Durant has the talent around him and has always had the talent around him.

PhillyFaninLA
06-25-2016, 09:27 PM
You can win with Westy as your number two option. Just as you can win with Kyrie as your number 2. The problem is Westy needs to defer more, or execute down the stretch.

Selfish me first offensive minded players hurt teams, you can make it really close, you can make it to the finals with those guys but you don't win titles (exception All Star Teams with a coach that will put that guy on the bench once that starts happening).

You cannot win an NBA championship with Westbrook as he is now.

likemystylez
06-25-2016, 10:24 PM
Dwight Howard didn't get a single MVP vote that year ... not any votes in any of the ballots ... not even any 5th place votes. He was not a top 5 player in the NBA. I won't count him at all.

Shaq finished 10th in MVP voting that year, so not top 5 ... but at least he was closer.

A few years later when Hill went to Orlando (as a sign and trade) Shaq was the MVP, but Hill finished 8th.

When Garnett went to Boston (NOT SIGNED, it was a straight trade, and a HUGE one. He later signed an extension to take effect 2 years later.) in his 13th season he was 10th in MVP voting.

So, other than LeBron (who is a special case as he's the one making the deals not the teams) no top 5 players (based on the reasonable historical metric of MVP voting) has changed teams as a FA. Even if we allow all of your examples (which I am not :) ) that means 5 teams have made such deals in the last 20 years. Pretty rare.

The above example is why I've been saying all along that the ONLY thing that matters is what KD wants. If he WANTS to be a Warrior then they will figure it out because they can't offer him more money. I would suggest that they will tell him they'll do what they need to do to sign him, but once he's on board they will talk about giving him and Curry matching less than max deals to allow the team some modicum of flexibility.

ahhh- so you took it literally down to the votes.

OK well how about a clear all star level player= a quality free agent?

or more to the point- if you dont see the difference between free agent pick ups like age 23 shaquile oneal, lebron james and kevin garnett vs mikki moore and chris wright.... im not sure what to tell you

likemystylez
06-25-2016, 10:27 PM
If he leaves the thunder for anyone besides the cavs/warriors/spurs/clippers it would just be moronic... If he goes to any of those teams though he is basically saying he needs even more help to win a championship... Hes a free agent and can go where he wants but this guy has been force fed talent around him since he stepped into the league... He might have had the best situation of anyone not named Kobe when he entered basketball.. His team became stacked really quickly and still he could not get the job done. I just wonder how people will react if he leaves and goes to a more talented team... When James left he also had every right to because free agency but he left because the cavs werent putting any talent around him... Durant has the talent around him and has always had the talent around him.

whats your point, if it isnt working then it isnt working. Is he just suppose to give up his desire to win a championship because he might not be able to do it with his current team?

likemystylez
06-25-2016, 10:28 PM
Selfish me first offensive minded players hurt teams, you can make it really close, you can make it to the finals with those guys but you don't win titles (exception All Star Teams with a coach that will put that guy on the bench once that starts happening).

You cannot win an NBA championship with Westbrook as he is now.

westbrook is a far better player right now than irving. Granted irving had a great finals, but westbrook does a lot more to help his team game in and game out IMO.

JordansBulls
06-25-2016, 10:28 PM
KD would be dumb to go to a team that has already won it all recently with a marquee star. No need for him to go to GSW, Cle, Miami nor San Antonio. He should go to Chicago or NYK or maybe even Atlanta or Washington. I'd like to see him in the East for sure. The Conference has sucked for years and it only sucked because of the ACL injuries to Rose otherwise Miami and Chicago would have taken turns going to the finals yearly.

likemystylez
06-25-2016, 10:32 PM
KD would be dumb to go to a team that has already won it all recently with a marquee star. No need for him to go to GSW, Cle, Miami nor San Antonio. He should go to Chicago or NYK or maybe even Atlanta or Washington. I'd like to see him in the East for sure. The Conference has sucked for years and it only sucked because of the ACL injuries to Rose otherwise Miami and Chicago would have taken turns going to the finals yearly.

Well he said hes going to make a basketball decision, so going to any of those eastern teams would not be smart. if he is looking to win right now. spurs warriors or okc are where he should narrow it down too. He isnt picking a team to change whether you may or may not think he is at a certain level. his decision is to win a championship. he gave eveything he had in okc, it didnt work.

He also might want to go to an organization that has a winning culture from the top down. an organization that is always looking to get better and not throwing away talent everytime you turn around to save a dime like okc.

Scoots
06-25-2016, 10:47 PM
ahhh- so you took it literally down to the votes.

OK well how about a clear all star level player= a quality free agent?

or more to the point- if you dont see the difference between free agent pick ups like age 23 shaquile oneal, lebron james and kevin garnett vs mikki moore and chris wright.... im not sure what to tell you
Oh i see the difference but i think shaun livingston was a quality free agent signing. I can't limit it to top 5 players in the nba. If we do then you are saying there were maybe 3-5 quality free agent signings in the last 600 team offseasons. Thats not often enough for the pedestrian adjective "quality".

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More-Than-Most
06-25-2016, 10:50 PM
whats your point, if it isnt working then it isnt working. Is he just suppose to give up his desire to win a championship because he might not be able to do it with his current team?

Its not working BECAUSE OF HIM as well... Lets not act like it isnt his fault they choked a 3-1 lead away.... It is working because they should have gone to the finals...Again he has been gifted talent around him since day 1 something not many people can say and he might very well be taking that for granted.. Again he is a free agent and can do what he wants but it does say something about himself if he leaves for the spurs/warriors/cavs.... its not like he is leaving a franchise that didnt do everything in their power to put talent around him.

More-Than-Most
06-25-2016, 10:51 PM
westbrook is a far better player right now than irving. Granted irving had a great finals, but westbrook does a lot more to help his team game in and game out IMO.

Please do not put westy and irving in the same sentence ever... westy is a top 4 player in basketball.. hell i have him ahead of durant and right there with curry... he will be the one to eventually surpass lebron... Westy isnt an amazing defender but he can actually defend.. irving cant.

Scoots
06-25-2016, 11:05 PM
Please do not put westy and irving in the same sentence ever... westy is a top 4 player in basketball.. hell i have him ahead of durant and right there with curry... he will be the one to eventually surpass lebron... Westy isnt an amazing defender but he can actually defend.. irving cant.
Stylez was saying the same thing ... He wasnt putting them in the same group.

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likemystylez
06-25-2016, 11:22 PM
Its not working BECAUSE OF HIM as well... Lets not act like it isnt his fault they choked a 3-1 lead away.... It is working because they should have gone to the finals...Again he has been gifted talent around him since day 1 something not many people can say and he might very well be taking that for granted.. Again he is a free agent and can do what he wants but it does say something about himself if he leaves for the spurs/warriors/cavs.... its not like he is leaving a franchise that didnt do everything in their power to put talent around him.

OK got it, so if its his fault they didnt go to the finals. why is okc prepared to offer him a max? why do they want him dragging them down (as you seem to picture it)... and why is it a big deal if he signs with the warriors or spurs. he might drag them down and make the west more balanced right?

eDush
06-25-2016, 11:57 PM
Its not working BECAUSE OF HIM as well... Lets not act like it isnt his fault they choked a 3-1 lead away.... It is working because they should have gone to the finals...Again he has been gifted talent around him since day 1 something not many people can say and he might very well be taking that for granted.. Again he is a free agent and can do what he wants but it does say something about himself if he leaves for the spurs/warriors/cavs.... its not like he is leaving a franchise that didnt do everything in their power to put talent around him.

OK got it, so if its his fault they didnt go to the finals. why is okc prepared to offer him a max? why do they want him dragging them down (as you seem to picture it)... and why is it a big deal if he signs with the warriors or spurs. he might drag them down and make the west more balanced right?
LOL I'm going to make you my assistant GM Stylez and have you talk to Danny Boy to piss him off with ur back and forth twisting logic to force him to give us Jae :laugh2:

kobe4thewinbang
06-26-2016, 12:45 AM
I say Heat or Celtics. I really hope Celtics nab him. That would spice up the East.

-KD would be the man
-KD compared himself to Larry Bird at one point
http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2012/12/kevin_durant_explains_his_admi.html
-Brad Stevens will be the best coach he's had, despite Donovan's surprising effort
-Boston's championship history, return it to glory
-Lots of assets for Celtics to maybe sign-and-trade with OKC to lessen the blow
-Lots of prospects for Celtics to develop alongside Durant, teach iso-heavy Durant team ball

Heat could be good too.

-Whiteside will likely re-sign.
-Wade still has "flash"es of greatness.
-Bosh may be able to keep playing.
-Winslow looks like he'll be a good player.

BOTH TEAMS:

-In the east, no grueling western conference each year
-He'd easily be the best player on either team.

Or...he could join the Warriors or Spurs. I say Clippers would really love him.

Clippers have lacked a quality, reliable SF for years.

Paul
Reddick/Crawford
DURANT
Griffin
Jordan

If he joins SAS/GSW, blah if you ask me. He would be the "Kevin Love" of those teams, underused. I think he'd do better on the Spurs and give Popovich a new toy to play with, alongside Kawhi. But it might cause chemistry issues. Again, he would learn a teamwork atmosphere, unlike in OKC.

All signs point to him leaving OKC if he is considering up to 6 teams, though.

More-Than-Most
06-26-2016, 02:40 AM
OK got it, so if its his fault they didnt go to the finals. why is okc prepared to offer him a max? why do they want him dragging them down (as you seem to picture it)... and why is it a big deal if he signs with the warriors or spurs. he might drag them down and make the west more balanced right?

Why did every team want lebron after he choked to the mavs? or why do the warriors want curry after his finals performance? **** happens.... They are a top 2 team in basketball with him and just a playoff team without him with no real shot at a championship..... He helped cost them but I never said it was all on him but he did choke period... Why are you even asking this question or using this logic? Let me guess you think he was amazing and everyone else choked it away right? He has always had a ton of talent around him period and the situation is working it just didnt work last year because he helped choke.

There is no team except the warriors/cavs/spurs that he could go to that he would be in a better situation and if he chooses these 3 championships that is him just flat out trying to hitch a ride... This is not the cavs of 09 where james left. He has a top 2 basketball team around him... If he leaves it says alot.

Edit- I am still laughing at the sarcastic notion that they shouldnt want him because he helped cost them... My god that argument is just insane. lol.

More-Than-Most
06-26-2016, 02:44 AM
I say Heat or Celtics. I really hope Celtics nab him. That would spice up the East.

-KD would be the man
-KD compared himself to Larry Bird at one point
http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2012/12/kevin_durant_explains_his_admi.html
-Brad Stevens will be the best coach he's had, despite Donovan's surprising effort
-Boston's championship history, return it to glory
-Lots of assets for Celtics to maybe sign-and-trade with OKC to lessen the blow
-Lots of prospects for Celtics to develop alongside Durant, teach iso-heavy Durant team ball

Heat could be good too.

-Whiteside will likely re-sign.
-Wade still has "flash"es of greatness.
-Bosh may be able to keep playing.
-Winslow looks like he'll be a good player.

BOTH TEAMS:

-In the east, no grueling western conference each year
-He'd easily be the best player on either team.

Or...he could join the Warriors or Spurs. I say Clippers would really love him.

Clippers have lacked a quality, reliable SF for years.

Paul
Reddick/Crawford
DURANT
Griffin
Jordan

If he joins SAS/GSW, blah if you ask me. He would be the "Kevin Love" of those teams, underused. I think he'd do better on the Spurs and give Popovich a new toy to play with, alongside Kawhi. But it might cause chemistry issues. Again, he would learn a teamwork atmosphere, unlike in OKC.

All signs point to him leaving OKC if he is considering up to 6 teams, though.

If he goes to the heat/celtics/raptors/pacers and they keep their players to me they are the favorites in the East. I already have a healthy heat team over the cavs.... He would put any and all of those teams either on the cavs level or above them... People hate on the celtics and yes they had a bad draft to me but they have a ton of talent and a good bit of assets.

More-Than-Most
06-26-2016, 02:50 AM
Its weird really if i am durant... Id talk to westy first.. id ask him if he plans on staying or leaving and even then if he says hed stay id sign a 2 year deal with an opt out after 1 season in case westy leaves

SportsFanatic23
06-26-2016, 02:51 AM
This is officially my first post.

I first and foremost do not understand why Durant is given 0 grief on blowing a 3-1 lead. God knows if Lebron did that then we wouldn't hear the end of it. On top of that he's interested in joining a team that made that had the best regular season record of all time. I never was a fan of Durant because he gets all this credit for not even being the best player on his team. His roster is STACKED and he blows it over and over. Now nobody mentions him blowing it and all the top teams are interested in adding him and he will get no hate on moving on top a already championship contending team and joining the warriors with a 2 time mvp and the team who had the best record of all time in regular season makes him a JOKE.

More-Than-Most
06-26-2016, 03:03 AM
This is officially my first post.

I first and foremost do not understand why Durant is given 0 grief on blowing a 3-1 lead. God knows if Lebron did that then we wouldn't hear the end of it. On top of that he's interested in joining a team that made that had the best regular season record of all time. I never was a fan of Durant because he gets all this credit for not even being the best player on his team. His roster is STACKED and he blows it over and over. Now nobody mentions him blowing it and all the top teams are interested in adding him and he will get no hate on moving on top a already championship contending team and joining the warriors with a 2 time mvp and the team who had the best record of all time in regular season makes him a JOKE.

When has he ever been given grief? He needs to kiss lebron and kobes feet because them being in the league since day 1 has let him fly under the radar with all the talent in the world around him and fail with no backlash. He has gotten such a pass as someone who is one of the best players in the league... he is 100 percent at fault for the choke job and his team giving up in a game 7 with a minute left was the true indicator. This dude gets every pass in the world.

More-Than-Most
06-26-2016, 03:04 AM
This is officially my first post.

I first and foremost do not understand why Durant is given 0 grief on blowing a 3-1 lead. God knows if Lebron did that then we wouldn't hear the end of it. On top of that he's interested in joining a team that made that had the best regular season record of all time. I never was a fan of Durant because he gets all this credit for not even being the best player on his team. His roster is STACKED and he blows it over and over. Now nobody mentions him blowing it and all the top teams are interested in adding him and he will get no hate on moving on top a already championship contending team and joining the warriors with a 2 time mvp and the team who had the best record of all time in regular season makes him a JOKE.

I mention it lol... but i just get called a hater :shrug:

eDush
06-26-2016, 03:30 AM
Its weird really if i am durant... Id talk to westy first.. id ask him if he plans on staying or leaving and even then if he says hed stay id sign a 2 year deal with an opt out after 1 season in case westy leaves
One team you haven't mention yet MTM that I still believe KD will likely sign with next regardless of the length of the contract would be the Wiz :nod:.

Why u may ask?!? It's where he was born and raised and if you have seen what other superstars had done like Melo and Lebron with much fanfare, Durant will come back home to the District of Columbia where he was born and raised. I have said this since December and still maintain he will go back home. You know if he goes to any other team, he will be booed by OKC fans but if he goes back home, they will understand eventually and hope Blake Griffin will go back home too, it's their calling :laugh2:.

Wall/Beal/Durant/Morris/Gortat will make them real contenders in the East that can compete with the Cavs if they can stay healthy just like when those two teams with Arenas were big playoffs rivalries during Lebron first stint home. It's a very good theme lately, don't ya think?

I'm coming home, I'm coming home, let the world know I'm coming...

:dance:

DboneG
06-26-2016, 07:31 AM
"Quote Originally Posted by SportsFanatic23 View Post
This is officially my first post.

I first and foremost do not understand why Durant is given 0 grief on blowing a 3-1 lead. God knows if Lebron did that then we wouldn't hear the end of it. On top of that he's interested in joining a team that made that had the best regular season record of all time. I never was a fan of Durant because he gets all this credit for not even being the best player on his team. His roster is STACKED and he blows it over and over. Now nobody mentions him blowing it and all the top teams are interested in adding him and he will get no hate on moving on top a already championship contending team and joining the warriors with a 2 time mvp and the team who had the best record of all time in regular season makes him a JOKE."





I mention it lol... but i just get called a hater :shrug:





I mentioned it also...that Durant played hero ball in games 5 and 6, which caused them to lose the series to GS. Which is a reason I thought he would be going back to OKC this summer. The reason they lost IMO was Durant and coach Donovan not making the proper adjustments. Durant is holding his summer decision close to his vest. BUT, THERE SHOULD BE NO HATE. IF DURANT WANT TO MOVE ON...THAT'S HIS RIGHT. People were incorrect in disliking LeBron's decision to go to Miami. That's his right to go work for someone else.

PhillyFaninLA
06-26-2016, 08:24 AM
westbrook is a far better player right now than irving. Granted irving had a great finals, but westbrook does a lot more to help his team game in and game out IMO.

Its not about how good the player is....Westbrook is better but as I said, selfish me first guys don't win titles. (all star and dream team olympic teams being the exception when the coach pulls those guys late).

Westbrook will not do the little things it takes in the biggest moments because he is to selfish and arrogant.

Westbrook, Melo, Karl Malone, Randy Moss, Terrell owens and the list goes on.....you don't win titles with those types of players.

Westbrook does a lot in the normal moments, but guys like Westbrook don't do the little things in the big moment and they tend to cost the team in a way that looks like they are either being lazy or trying to take it all on themselves....when in reality there ego won't let them let someone else shine. That is why they don't win titles.

likemystylez
06-26-2016, 09:25 AM
One team you haven't mention yet MTM that I still believe KD will likely sign with next regardless of the length of the contract would be the Wiz :nod:.

Why u may ask?!? It's where he was born and raised and if you have seen what other superstars had done like Melo and Lebron with much fanfare, Durant will come back home to the District of Columbia where he was born and raised. I have said this since December and still maintain he will go back home. You know if he goes to any other team, he will be booed by OKC fans but if he goes back home, they will understand eventually and hope Blake Griffin will go back home too, it's their calling :laugh2:.

Wall/Beal/Durant/Morris/Gortat will make them real contenders in the East that can compete with the Cavs if they can stay healthy just like when those two teams with Arenas were big playoffs rivalries during Lebron first stint home. It's a very good theme lately, don't ya think?

I'm coming home, I'm coming home, let the world know I'm coming...

:dance:

actually the wizards were mentioned a lot 3 or 4 months ago, but I heard like a month or so ago- that Durant actually said he wasnt interested in playing for his home town. He never had that interest. Media just assumed it was some sort of dream of his because it makes a good story I guess.

But as you see, Durant has not listed the wizards anywhere on in his meetings. Granted there are more to come but I think the teams with a real chance are OKC, warriors and spurs.

Scoots
06-26-2016, 10:54 AM
KD might sign and stay for one more year and be a FA next year again ... the problem with that is this year he's far and away the top FA (I think everyone assumes LeBron isn't moving) ... next year KD will be one of many. That is a ego reason to move now. Also, why do so many assume KD WANTS to continue to play with Westbrook? They may just work with each other, we don't know if they are REALLY buddies.

eDush
06-26-2016, 11:05 AM
One team you haven't mention yet MTM that I still believe KD will likely sign with next regardless of the length of the contract would be the Wiz :nod:.

Why u may ask?!? It's where he was born and raised and if you have seen what other superstars had done like Melo and Lebron with much fanfare, Durant will come back home to the District of Columbia where he was born and raised. I have said this since December and still maintain he will go back home. You know if he goes to any other team, he will be booed by OKC fans but if he goes back home, they will understand eventually and hope Blake Griffin will go back home too, it's their calling :laugh2:.

Wall/Beal/Durant/Morris/Gortat will make them real contenders in the East that can compete with the Cavs if they can stay healthy just like when those two teams with Arenas were big playoffs rivalries during Lebron first stint home. It's a very good theme lately, don't ya think?

I'm coming home, I'm coming home, let the world know I'm coming...

:dance:

actually the wizards were mentioned a lot 3 or 4 months ago, but I heard like a month or so ago- that Durant actually said he wasnt interested in playing for his home town. He never had that interest. Media just assumed it was some sort of dream of his because it makes a good story I guess.

But as you see, Durant has not listed the wizards anywhere on in his meetings. Granted there are more to come but I think the teams with a real chance are OKC, warriors and spurs.
And he still seem bent on it too by not including the Wiz as part of his teams he's interested in. I don't get it cause NOT ONLY would he help his team win but his home with all the people living there like Lebron had done even after they burn his jersey and all :(. Durant is one selfish cat it seems and he's gonna tell these teams where to meet him and kiss his feet too and they would do it? :laugh2:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-lakers-wizards-wont-get-kevin-durant-meeting-knicks-might/

What if he tells the Warriors up front that he will sign with us for like a 2 year opt out that he does not want to be part of our traditional eating together all season long singing shambala to build this special tight knit bond and closeness that others teams just don't do according to other players on our team which has been peg as our 'secret weapon' on why this team is special. If Durant states during negotiations that's part is just stupid and then make fun of it like he did with Steph's defense during the OKC/Dubs series post game interview with Westy :(. He would tell us out front that he's just in it to get a championship under his belt like Lebron did and then leave and will hang out with his own crew for dinners on the road and all...would you still want him?!?

Something to think about Dub fans.....
:crying::sad2::crying::sad2::crying:

Stunner
06-26-2016, 11:34 AM
He was playing more like 75% healthy after being hurt badly and was out for 2 weeks that it affected his game. If this was Rose, he wouldn't even came back. You don't win back to back MVP and currently the best clutch shooter in the world for nothing. Hardly a choker like Durant has been his entire career even back in collage. Google his name and 'choke' to see how many hits you get, it's real :nod:.

:dance:

Man you got a hard on for rose huh never seen anyone go out of their way to slander somebody. It's really lame

eDush
06-26-2016, 11:45 AM
He was playing more like 75% healthy after being hurt badly and was out for 2 weeks that it affected his game. If this was Rose, he wouldn't even came back. You don't win back to back MVP and currently the best clutch shooter in the world for nothing. Hardly a choker like Durant has been his entire career even back in collage. Google his name and 'choke' to see how many hits you get, it's real :nod:.

:dance:

Man you got a hard on for rose huh never seen anyone go out of their way to slander somebody. It's really lame
What are you talking about? I state that based on his past decisions or did you miss when all this was happening. Everyone was talking about it back then that it was up to him after being cleared to play and he chose not to. The Bulls FO backs him cause he was their favorite son and wanted to get back at Thibs cause they hate him like our FO hated Jackson. People on here had posted much worst then me and even resorted to name calling or did you miss all that?

:superman:

Stunner
06-26-2016, 11:55 AM
What are you talking about? I state that based on his past decisions or did you miss when all this was happening. Everyone was talking about it back then that it was up to him after being cleared to play and he chose not to. The Bulls FO backs him cause he was their favorite son and wanted to get back at Thibs cause they hate him like our FO hated Jackson. People on here had posted much worst then me and even resorted to name calling or did you miss all that?

:superman:



Rose made the right choice by not coming back the year after he tore his ACL . You just don't jump back into the toughest time of basketball like that. It's the Front Office fault for leaking the reports talking about he's cleared without consulting with rose on if he was ready to come back for a physical playoff series . He was the franchise guy and neefed to take care of the situation with caution . Noel tore his ACL in college , got drafted and didn't play at all his rookie season . Just saying it's silly to use that against him considering the status at the time he meant to the team .



Rose isn't a punk come playoff time , if he's banged up he will play . The year they faced the Cavs in 2nd round he had surgery again and took the option that would lead him to have a quicker recovery to play in the playoffs .


And my bad for the name calling but it irritates me and shouldn't anymore that people go out their way to bag on the guy needlessly sometimes .

eDush
06-26-2016, 12:03 PM
What are you talking about? I state that based on his past decisions or did you miss when all this was happening. Everyone was talking about it back then that it was up to him after being cleared to play and he chose not to. The Bulls FO backs him cause he was their favorite son and wanted to get back at Thibs cause they hate him like our FO hated Jackson. People on here had posted much worst then me and even resorted to name calling or did you miss all that?

:superman:



Rose made the right choice by not coming back the year after he tore his ACL . You just don't jump back into the toughest time of basketball like that. It's the Front Office fault for leaking the reports talking about he's cleared without consulting with rose on if he was ready to come back for a physical playoff series . He was the franchise guy and neefed to take care of the situation with caution . Noel tore his ACL in college , got drafted and didn't play at all his rookie season . Just saying it's silly to use that against him considering the status at the time he meant to the team .



Rose isn't a punk come playoff time , if he's banged up he will play . The year they faced the Cavs in 2nd round he had surgery again and took the option that would lead him to have a quicker recovery to play in the playoffs .


And my bad for the name calling but it irritates me and shouldn't anymore that people go out their way to bag on the guy needlessly sometimes .
Apparently you know more on the Rose situation then I so thanks for the added info but me slandering him is bs, it's not even close dude but I accept ur mistake on that. If you wanted to see what slander is, it's what the FO did to Jackson, THAT's SLANDER!!!
:mad:

Chronz
06-26-2016, 12:56 PM
First of all, hero ball isn't a problem. Him missing shots is on him but the way he gets those shots isnt entirely his fault. The Thunder went all in on defense much like the Iverson sixers only with Westy. Which is awesome but the dubs still had more talent. In todays league, you need as many 2 way guys as possible. Thunder overachieved despite their 3 1 lead. They should've lost to the spurs and its incredibly difficult to beat so many quality teams.

KD was a DPOY caliber wing in his series, not the calibre of Bron but up there. I actually think they laid out the blue print perfectly for the Cavs.

Secondly, dude would be insane to leave. Very few would respect a chip won with the team that beat AT records without you. If he wants the ultimate glory He Will go to one of 3 teams. Boston, OKC, or LAC

Scoots
06-26-2016, 01:07 PM
Man you got a hard on for rose huh never seen anyone go out of their way to slander somebody. It's really lame

That's par for the course for eDush ... he bangs on about some things well beyond reason.

Dade County
06-26-2016, 01:19 PM
First of all, hero ball isn't a problem. Him missing shots is on him but the way he gets those shots isnt entirely his fault. The Thunder went all in on defense much like the Iverson sixers only with Westy. Which is awesome but the dubs still had more talent. In todays league, you need as many 2 way guys as possible. Thunder overachieved despite their 3 1 lead. They should've lost to the spurs and its incredibly difficult to beat so many quality teams.

KD was a DPOY caliber wing in his series, not the calibre of Bron but up there. I actually think they laid out the blue print perfectly for the Cavs.

Secondly, dude would be insane to leave. Very few would respect a chip won with the team that beat AT records without you. If he wants the ultimate glory He Will go to one of 3 teams. Boston, OKC, or LAC


Cra...

Why did you leave Miami off that list?

Also, anywhere he wins, he will get this ultimate glory you are talking about. History isn't going to remember, KD didn't win with this team or that team, it's just the fact that he won, what will be remembered.

eDush
06-26-2016, 01:40 PM
Man you got a hard on for rose huh never seen anyone go out of their way to slander somebody. It's really lame

That's par for the course for eDush ... he bangs on about some things well beyond reason.
Like lack of effort huh? :laugh2: I can say a lot of bad tendency about you too but I'm not gonna go down that road...

WaDe03
06-26-2016, 02:02 PM
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Dade County
06-26-2016, 02:14 PM
747115321903951873

As july 1st approaches, the media reports will favor each team per day.

shep33
06-26-2016, 02:48 PM
I'd love to see KD vs. Bron in the Conference Finals. Although LBJ owns him, it'd be fun. That being said, he'd be ridiculous to leave OKC. Talent on that roster and the amount of assets they have is just insane.

They pulled off a trade where they arguably got the best player in Oladipo, a stretch 4 off the bench in Ersan, and oh yeah the 11th pick and potentially the best big in the draft.

Oh and you have Steven Adams, Enes Kanter, and a top 5 player in Russy.

BoSox47
06-26-2016, 02:48 PM
I think he goes Spurs or Celtics if he leaves.

Celtics have assets and cap space to trade for a max player that Durant desires. Plus I am slightly bias.

BKLYNpigeon
06-26-2016, 03:06 PM
If Durants main focus is to Win a Championship next season. Warriors would be his best option.

He could play with OKC another year, but that team is breaking up after that. Theres no way OKC can pay max money to, KD, RUSS and Adams the following year. OKC is cheap and its time for KD to leave.

DboneG
06-26-2016, 04:06 PM
I don't think Durant even considered the Spurs. IMO
Adam Silver got that meeting for them, to keep the Spurs franchise relevant. They are an over-the-hill team, and Durant said he wasn't a system guy. He loves freedom. You think Durant can go take 5 shots in a row being on the Spurs?
Startpage or Google?
Linux or Microsoft?
OKC/GS/Miami or Spurs?

ManRam
06-26-2016, 05:17 PM
I don't think Durant even considered the Spurs. IMO
Adam Silver got that meeting for them, to keep the Spurs franchise relevant. They are an over-the-hill team, and Durant said he wasn't a system guy. He loves freedom. You think Durant can go take 5 shots in a row being on the Spurs?
Startpage or Google?
Linux or Microsoft?
OKC/GS/Miami or Spurs?

put away the tin foil hat

jerellh528
06-26-2016, 05:22 PM
I hope Durant goes to the Celtics. Balance out the power a little bit. He'd be pretty much guaranteed finals appearances in the east.

DboneG
06-26-2016, 05:57 PM
put away the tin foil hat

There's freedom playing at OKC. Durant can do what ever he wants there. Same for Westbrook.
There's freedom playing at Miami. Just ask D-Wade! He can do what ever he wants there.
There's freedom playing at GS! Just ask Chef Curry, throwing up near half-court shots.
San Antonio?! Not so much. Do some of Curry, Durant or Wade antics on the Spurs and see where it gets you. A seat on the pine...keep it up, a ticket out the door. I'd never play for coach poop. Durant would never play him him either. People still using Winblows operating system need their head examined.

likemystylez
06-26-2016, 06:35 PM
itd be nice to see him in a warriors uniform

mngopher35
06-26-2016, 07:05 PM
I hope Durant goes to the Celtics. Balance out the power a little bit. He'd be pretty much guaranteed finals appearances in the east.

My first choice would be staying in okc. I want him and westy to win a title and stay together there. If he does leave I agree with you though. It would be great if he chose an eastern team like Boston.

eDush
06-26-2016, 07:21 PM
I hope Durant goes to the Celtics. Balance out the power a little bit. He'd be pretty much guaranteed finals appearances in the east.

My first choice would be staying in okc. I want him and westy to win a title and stay together there. If he does leave I agree with you though. It would be great if he chose an eastern team like Boston.
I like to see him do the right thing by going back home as a Wiz cause it's a good theme these days :nod:.

likemystylez
06-26-2016, 07:27 PM
I like to see him do the right thing by going back home as a Wiz cause it's a good theme these days :nod:.

if he goes there he cant go to the warriors though... so no


also, apparently he has not even agreed to meet with the wizards

eDush
06-26-2016, 07:28 PM
itd be nice to see him in a warriors uniform
I rather see Whiteside in a Warriors uniform cause he is one of the best rim protector in the game and top all centers in block shots. He has balls of steels too so he can take a kicking but keep on ticking unlike 'Ooops I hurt myself again and need to milk it now' you know who :laugh2:.

If you recall how we can't stop OKC front court as they score on us low at will every game, you know Whiteside is the guy we need. Not mister choker in big games :nod:.

likemystylez
06-26-2016, 07:35 PM
I rather see Whiteside in a Warriors uniform cause he is one of the best rim protector in the game and top all centers in block shots. He has balls of steels too so he can take a kicking but keep on ticking unlike 'Ooops I hurt myself again and need to milk it now' you know who :laugh2:.

If you recall how we can't stop OKC front court as they score on us low at will every game, you know Whiteside is the guy we need. Not mister choker in big games :nod:.

I think bringing in durant would help the warriors match up with okc even more though....

also if we bring whiteside in, then we almost have to resign barnes where durant would fit seamlessly into barnes starting 3 spot

eDush
06-26-2016, 07:42 PM
I like to see him do the right thing by going back home as a Wiz cause it's a good theme these days :nod:.

if he goes there he cant go to the warriors though... so no


also, apparently he has not even agreed to meet with the wizards
Let me handle the GM for our Dubs as I can improve our team by offering Whiteside a full max contract which is still less then 10m per than what Durant will command. It will make much more balance and better overall instead of one season of Durant as he will opt out again after pissing off everyone by taking everyone's shot attempts.

Keep in mind, I was one of the few on our board that did NOT want Barnes to sign that offer nor be on this team so imagine if he did sign it. We will be paying him 16.5 mil for the next 4 years as his extension kicks in. If I was GM, you would not even see that offer ever!!!!

Let's do the right thing for our team from now on :clap:.

eDush
06-26-2016, 07:49 PM
I rather see Whiteside in a Warriors uniform cause he is one of the best rim protector in the game and top all centers in block shots. He has balls of steels too so he can take a kicking but keep on ticking unlike 'Ooops I hurt myself again and need to milk it now' you know who :laugh2:.

If you recall how we can't stop OKC front court as they score on us low at will every game, you know Whiteside is the guy we need. Not mister choker in big games :nod:.

I think bringing in durant would help the warriors match up with okc even more though....

also if we bring whiteside in, then we almost have to resign barnes where durant would fit seamlessly into barnes starting 3 spot
#%€ why do we need to resign a player who average 5 points at a 15% fg rate during the last 3 games?!? We can fill that spot with a veteran minimum pay guy off the wire to get that kind of production :nod:. It's our center that I am concern about.

WaDe03
06-26-2016, 07:54 PM
KD is going to Miami though so no need for you guys to worry yourself. :nod: Whiteside is also staying. :clap:

:dance:

eDush
06-26-2016, 08:31 PM
KD is going to Miami though so no need for you guys to worry yourself. :nod: Whiteside is also staying. :clap:

:dance:
With the $$$ the Heat already paying for Bosh, Wade and Dragic, I doubt you can offer full max to both KD and Whiteside unless you have his birds rights maybe. Heat be the highest payroll team next year that would make Lebron envious :nod:.

Good luck if they can pull it off....
:dance:

hugepatsfan
06-26-2016, 08:41 PM
I don't think BOS has much of a chance.

After signing Durant, BOS can sign Horford to a max and re-sign Amir Johnson for MLE type money. They just have to salary dump James Young and leave their 2 foreign 1st rounders overseas. Then they can use the room exception to sign 2nd rounders Ben Bentil/Demtrius Jackson. Vet min deal for Durant's BFF Kendrick Perkins.

IT/Rozier/Jackson
BradleySmart/Hunter
Durant/Brown
Crowder/Amir/Mickey/Bentil
Horford/Olynyk/Perkins

IDK though. I just don't see it. I think that's a really good team but it's just not the best team he could go to. The only shot is that he wants to be the guy who didn't just team up with stars and really put the load on his own shoulders.

I'm just happy he at least gave us a meeting. It's a good sign of how Stevens is so well perceived because I guarantee you that's what his semi-interest is about. Durant's a basketball junkie and always raves about BOS's tradition and how its such a great sports town so hopefully he just ticks differently than all these stars who want to play in glamour cities with other stars. We'll see though. Not getting my hopes up at all.

WaDe03
06-26-2016, 08:52 PM
With the $$$ the Heat already paying for Bosh, Wade and Dragic, I doubt you can offer full max to both KD and Whiteside unless you have his birds rights maybe. Heat be the highest payroll team next year that would make Lebron envious :nod:.

Good luck if they can pull it off....
:dance:

We would more than likely trade Dragic and McBob to keep Whiteside and Wade then add Durant. :nod:

:dance:

hugepatsfan
06-26-2016, 08:56 PM
I don't think BOS has much of a chance.

After signing Durant, BOS can sign Horford to a max and re-sign Amir Johnson for MLE type money. They just have to salary dump James Young and leave their 2 foreign 1st rounders overseas. Then they can use the room exception to sign 2nd rounders Ben Bentil/Demtrius Jackson. Vet min deal for Durant's BFF Kendrick Perkins.

IT/Rozier/Jackson
BradleySmart/Hunter
Durant/Brown
Crowder/Amir/Mickey/Bentil
Horford/Olynyk/Perkins

IDK though. I just don't see it. I think that's a really good team but it's just not the best team he could go to. The only shot is that he wants to be the guy who didn't just team up with stars and really put the load on his own shoulders.

I'm just happy he at least gave us a meeting. It's a good sign of how Stevens is so well perceived because I guarantee you that's what his semi-interest is about. Durant's a basketball junkie and always raves about BOS's tradition and how its such a great sports town so hopefully he just ticks differently than all these stars who want to play in glamour cities with other stars. We'll see though. Not getting my hopes up at all.

Just to add a little bit of context, this is last year's Celtics team that won 48 games with the following rotation changes...

Evan Turner -> Kevin Durant
Jared Sullinger -> Al Horford
Jonas Jerebko -> Jaylen Brown

The first two changes are from good, solid rotation guys to a top 5 player and a legit all star. So huge upgrades. Brown is a raw rookie but he has some skills that should translate day 1. And Durant/Horford would combine to play at least 15 minutes more per game that Turner/Sully did so that last rotation spot becomes like a 10-15 minute gig of minimal importance overall.

Not the best team he could go to but the one that gives him the most personal glory probably, other than staying in OKC of course, which I think he ultimately will do.

hugepatsfan
06-26-2016, 09:15 PM
We would more than likely trade Dragic and McBob to keep Whiteside and Wade then add Durant. :nod:

:dance:

IDK. It would be tough to build that team IMO. So if you salary dump McBob and Tragic that leaves you with...

Bosh/Winslow and Richardson under contract for a combined $27,209,136. That leaves you guys with $66,790,864 of cap room.

Durant's max is $26.4M. Whiteside's is $22M. So that leaves you guys with $18,390,864 of cap space. However, you guys only have 5 players. There are cap holds equal to the rookie minimum ($543,471) for each roster space up to the minimum of 12. You guys would have 7 holds. For each player you sign, one of those holds go away but the point is that if you got out and sign 3 players, you still have 4 of those cap holds to leave open which is about $2.2M. So let's just say you guys try to re-sign Wade/Deng/Tyler Johnson - you'd have to do it for a combine total of just over $16M. I really just don't see how it's possible for you guys to fill out the roster without having a bunch of minimum guys playing key roles. And with everyone having cap space, it's going to be tough to get good minimum guys. And all of this isn't even to mention the huge question mark hanging over the head of Chris Bosh.

Not saying it's impossible but it will be real tough to build a good roster with Durant/Whiteside on max deals. If Wade won't take $10M or less it's probably impossible.

WaDe03
06-26-2016, 09:24 PM
IDK. It would be tough to build that team IMO. So if you salary dump McBob and Tragic that leaves you with...

Bosh/Winslow and Richardson under contract for a combined $27,209,136. That leaves you guys with $66,790,864 of cap room.

Durant's max is $26.4M. Whiteside's is $22M. So that leaves you guys with $18,390,864 of cap space. However, you guys only have 5 players. There are cap holds equal to the rookie minimum ($543,471) for each roster space up to the minimum of 12. You guys would have 7 holds. For each player you sign, one of those holds go away but the point is that if you got out and sign 3 players, you still have 4 of those cap holds to leave open which is about $2.2M. So let's just say you guys try to re-sign Wade/Deng/Tyler Johnson - you'd have to do it for a combine total of just over $16M. I really just don't see how it's possible for you guys to fill out the roster without having a bunch of minimum guys playing key roles. And with everyone having cap space, it's going to be tough to get good minimum guys. And all of this isn't even to mention the huge question mark hanging over the head of Chris Bosh.

Not saying it's impossible but it will be real tough to build a good roster with Durant/Whiteside on max deals. If Wade won't take $10M or less it's probably impossible.

Does this work:

Durant 26M

Whiteside 22M

Wade: 12 M

Deng: 4M

Joe: Room exception

TJ: we have his bird rights

JRich/Benk/Weber
Wade/TJ/Green
Durant/Winslow/Joe
Deng/Bosh/Haslem
Whiteside/???/Amare

May try to sign Joe for the minimum and use the room exception on a on a back up C.

ATX
06-26-2016, 09:26 PM
WaDe03...Please come back to reality.

ATX
06-26-2016, 09:29 PM
I mean I'd like KD on the HEAT as much as you do, but some of your ideas are way too far fetched. Odds are KD stays with OKC on a 2 year deal, opt out after year 1 anyways.

WaDe03
06-26-2016, 09:31 PM
WaDe03...Please come back to reality.

What's wrong with what I said?

hugepatsfan
06-26-2016, 09:46 PM
Does this work:

Durant 26M

Whiteside 22M

Wade: 12 M

Deng: 4M

Joe: Room exception

TJ: we have his bird rights

JRich/Benk/Weber
Wade/TJ/Green
Durant/Winslow/Joe
Deng/Bosh/Haslem
Whiteside/???/Amare

May try to sign Joe for the minimum and use the room exception on a on a back up C.

You guys only have early bird rights on TJ. That means that you guys can only sign him for like 175% of the peanuts he made last year. You guys need to leave $1M of cap room open for his hold (which you didn't in your scenario) and then you guys would be able to sign him for like $2M. With so much cap room he'll easily get a MLE type offer next year. Since his salary was so low his early bird rights mean nothing because the amount you guys can go over for the cap for significantly less than he can get.

JJ back on the room exception is reasonable. I could even see Deng taking that little, though he can probably get 3.5 times that on the open market so it's a huge question mark. But it's semi-possible IMO. Amare on the minimum is reasonable too. So really everything other than TJ I'd give a chance to work there.

I just have a hard time seeing Durant choosing that. His #2 would be a 34 year old Wade and his #3 would be a guy on blood thinners who isn't even cleared to play right now. I just have a hard time seeing it as his best choice. Staying in OKC is a better team. Going to GS/SA or even LAC is the easier "win now" spot. And then the BOS lineup I posted with Horford above I think is a better bet because it's a legit long-term roster. It's not a patched together one-year thing like what you put together for MIA in a lot of places and as good as Wade/Bosh are they're long-term question marks because of age/health.

Basketball wise, I think of the 6 teams he's meeting in MIA makes the lease sense when you look at the means with which to build a team around him. Obviously MIA has other draws though so we'll see. I still think he stays in OKC so all these discussions are moot. But fun to have no doubt!

Clint Olbrock
06-26-2016, 09:56 PM
Does this work:

Durant 26M

Whiteside 22M

Wade: 12 M

Deng: 4M

Joe: Room exception

TJ: we have his bird rights

JRich/Benk/Weber
Wade/TJ/Green
Durant/Winslow/Joe
Deng/Bosh/Haslem
Whiteside/???/Amare

May try to sign Joe for the minimum and use the room exception on a on a back up C.

The realistic way to look at it is...

You have Bosh for $23.7 million and Winslow for $2.5 million. You included Richardson and Weber in your depth chart so you have them for 874k a piece. Your starting figure is $28 million on the books, you next go to cap holds, Wade has a $30 million cap hold, Deng has a $13 million cap hold and Haslem has a $5 million cap hold. That is $48 million in cap holds, I assume you would say renounce Haslem which I could see but since you have Deng as your starting 4, you aren't going to renounce him. $28 + $43(48 - haslem's 5) = $71 million.

I don't even have to go any further than that because $94(the cap) - $71 = $23(NOT ENOUGH TO SIGN KD TO A MAX).

Of course you can renounce Deng but once over the cap you won't be able to sign him for more than the vet min. This is all before TJ's QO, where he could sign an offer sheet with another team. While keeping in mind Whiteside wants the max and wants it done by July 1st, Heat would still have to unload McBob which almost no team would want, Dragic would be easier to unload but taking $0 back would be the difficult part.

The other angel you could play is that Deng and Wade would sign for those low ball offers you listed prior to signing KD, which would give the cap space you need, but not only do I not think those guys would play for those laughable numbers, they 100% wouldn't sign those deals without some kind of assurance that KD would for sure be there, which is going to be pretty hard to pull off.

My advice to you is learn how the cap works, the Heat are going to have a tough time retaining all their pieces, outside of all this fantasy KD talk.

nysportsfan23
06-26-2016, 10:01 PM
Durant on a 1 yr deal 2nd yr option with okc makes so much sense

Dade County
06-26-2016, 10:08 PM
We would more than likely trade Dragic and McBob to keep Whiteside and Wade then add Durant. :nod:

:dance:

Get your popcorn ready... Might be bigger then we think.

shep33
06-26-2016, 10:12 PM
KD is going to Miami though so no need for you guys to worry yourself. :nod: Whiteside is also staying. :clap:

:dance:

LeBron in 5 lol. I just can't bet against that man in the Eastern conference. Dude is a monster, and until he's beat, he's still the King

likemystylez
06-26-2016, 10:28 PM
Durant on a 1 yr deal 2nd yr option with okc makes so much sense

yeah .... that makes the most financial sense, but apparently he said his decision is going to be 100% about basketball.

also, if he is going to do that- why arrange all these meetings. LOL its not like the thunder would choose to pay him anything less than he wanted. he doesnt need to prove his value around the league.

sharqstealth
06-26-2016, 10:30 PM
KD is going to Miami though so no need for you guys to worry yourself. :nod: Whiteside is also staying. :clap:

:dance:

Heat fans are delusional... You have nothing down there in Miami but crap

sharqstealth
06-26-2016, 10:33 PM
yeah .... that makes the most financial sense, but apparently he said his decision is going to be 100% about basketball.

also, if he is going to do that- why arrange all these meetings. LOL its not like the thunder would choose to pay him anything less than he wanted. he doesnt need to prove his value around the league.

If he says this then it might mean GSW is the front runner.

likemystylez
06-26-2016, 10:34 PM
Heat fans are delusional... You have nothing down there in Miami but crap

agreed- he should go to golden state if he wants to win.

if he passes on this chance and the warriors find another good player to add this summer and get even better- thunder may never win it all

Bigbadmoffo
06-26-2016, 10:41 PM
WWhy would he go to Miami? Bosh is out so what old Wade and Whiteside? Miami is a washed up team that needs to rebuild and stop living in the past.

WaDe03
06-26-2016, 10:47 PM
Hahahaha man some of these guys on here are hilarious. The hate is still strong, I love it! I can tell by some of the responses you didn't watch the Heat this year but to put it simple we made it to game 7 in the second round without Bosh for the entire playoffs and Whiteside for the majority of the second round without a single decent but man to step in. Add KD to that and hope Bosh is healthy and we don't have another injury like what happened with Whiteside we will be contenders for sure.

WaDe03
06-26-2016, 10:48 PM
LeBron in 5 lol. I just can't bet against that man in the Eastern conference. Dude is a monster, and until he's beat, he's still the King

Haha idk about 5 but he could definitely beat us. Even if we beat them he's still the best.

WaDe03
06-26-2016, 10:50 PM
The realistic way to look at it is...

You have Bosh for $23.7 million and Winslow for $2.5 million. You included Richardson and Weber in your depth chart so you have them for 874k a piece. Your starting figure is $28 million on the books, you next go to cap holds, Wade has a $30 million cap hold, Deng has a $13 million cap hold and Haslem has a $5 million cap hold. That is $48 million in cap holds, I assume you would say renounce Haslem which I could see but since you have Deng as your starting 4, you aren't going to renounce him. $28 + $43(48 - haslem's 5) = $71 million.

I don't even have to go any further than that because $94(the cap) - $71 = $23(NOT ENOUGH TO SIGN KD TO A MAX).

Of course you can renounce Deng but once over the cap you won't be able to sign him for more than the vet min. This is all before TJ's QO, where he could sign an offer sheet with another team. While keeping in mind Whiteside wants the max and wants it done by July 1st, Heat would still have to unload McBob which almost no team would want, Dragic would be easier to unload but taking $0 back would be the difficult part.

The other angel you could play is that Deng and Wade would sign for those low ball offers you listed prior to signing KD, which would give the cap space you need, but not only do I not think those guys would play for those laughable numbers, they 100% wouldn't sign those deals without some kind of assurance that KD would for sure be there, which is going to be pretty hard to pull off.

My advice to you is learn how the cap works, the Heat are going to have a tough time retaining all their pieces, outside of all this fantasy KD talk.

Yea I do need to learn more but don't have time before free agency starts. I get lost when people start bringing up renouncing rights and all that. Do you care to explain more about renouncing someone's right? If we renounced the rights for the 3 you mentioned does that mean they have to sign for the minimum or what?

shep33
06-26-2016, 11:19 PM
Haha idk about 5 but he could definitely beat us. Even if we beat them he's still the best.

haha yeah maybe 5 was too hasty, but the dude is just a beast. And Kyrie is a great scorer. Hell... what's scary is that they can actually be better if they trade Love.

Clint Olbrock
06-26-2016, 11:22 PM
Yea I do need to learn more but don't have time before free agency starts. I get lost when people start bringing up renouncing rights and all that. Do you care to explain more about renouncing someone's right? If we renounced the rights for the 3 you mentioned does that mean they have to sign for the minimum or what?

Well, when people refer to rights they are talking about non bird rights(1 year with the same team), early bird rights(2 years with the same team) and bird rights(3+ years with the same team). All just referred to as rights or bird rights for the most part, even though they all come with different %'s to the players next contract.

Anyway, rights are what allow teams who go over the cap to still sign their own players.

Now, this is where most people say why not just use your cap space on free agents then sign your own guys using their rights. This is where cap holds come in to prevent this from happening.

You can renounce a players rights to remove his cap hold from your salary but then you can't go over the cap to sign him once you renounce your rights to him.

Even though Wade most likely won't sign for $30 million, that is his cap hold. Heat won't renounce that. Only way that cap hold comes off their books is if Wade signs a new contract with the Heat(at which point w.e he signs for goes on the books instead of the cap hold), he signs with another team or the Heat renounce their rights to him.

That is just a very broken down, simplified version of it. You really can learn about the cap, the CBA and anything you want.. Just a lot of reading.

Dade County
06-26-2016, 11:24 PM
WWhy would he go to Miami? Bosh is out so what old Wade and Whiteside? Miami is a washed up team that needs to rebuild and stop living in the past.

If Pat can land KD, then I am sure there is a plan in motion to reshape Miami in an instant. Or why would KD even sign there, so just let it play out instead of wondering why.

Clint Olbrock
06-26-2016, 11:29 PM
yeah .... that makes the most financial sense, but apparently he said his decision is going to be 100% about basketball.

also, if he is going to do that- why arrange all these meetings. LOL its not like the thunder would choose to pay him anything less than he wanted. he doesnt need to prove his value around the league.Why did Melo meet with the Bulls, Mavs, Rockets, Lakers and whoever else last summer just to end up back with the Knicks?

Some guys just like the experience.

Gibby23
06-26-2016, 11:42 PM
If Pat can land KD, then I am sure there is a plan in motion to reshape Miami in an instant. Or why would KD even sign there, so just let it play out instead of wondering why.

He isn't going to Miami. He isn't stupid. Lol

WaDe03
06-26-2016, 11:55 PM
Well, when people refer to rights they are talking about non bird rights(1 year with the same team), early bird rights(2 years with the same team) and bird rights(3+ years with the same team). All just referred to as rights or bird rights for the most part, even though they all come with different %'s to the players next contract.

Anyway, rights are what allow teams who go over the cap to still sign their own players.

Now, this is where most people say why not just use your cap space on free agents then sign your own guys using their rights. This is where cap holds come in to prevent this from happening.

You can renounce a players rights to remove his cap hold from your salary but then you can't go over the cap to sign him once you renounce your rights to him.

Even though Wade most likely won't sign for $30 million, that is his cap hold. Heat won't renounce that. Only way that cap hold comes off their books is if Wade signs a new contract with the Heat(at which point w.e he signs for goes on the books instead of the cap hold), he signs with another team or the Heat renounce their rights to him.

That is just a very broken down, simplified version of it. You really can learn about the cap, the CBA and anything you want.. Just a lot of reading.

I see thanks for the explanation. One last thing, why wouldn't they want to renounce Wades rights?

Scoots
06-26-2016, 11:56 PM
if he goes there he cant go to the warriors though... so no


also, apparently he has not even agreed to meet with the wizards

eDush is a Lakers fan now. He also wants Curry to go to Charlotte and Green to go to the Pistons.

WaDe03
06-27-2016, 12:00 AM
eDush is a Lakers fan now. He also wants Curry to go to Charlotte and Green to go to the Pistons.

:nod:

:clap:

:dance:

hugepatsfan
06-27-2016, 12:13 AM
I see thanks for the explanation. One last thing, why wouldn't they want to renounce Wades rights?

You guys are going to keep him. It's semantics but if you sign Durant and Whiteside to max contracts before Wade agrees to terms, you'd have to renounce him. Then you'd have no bird rights, just some leftover cap space to use on him like any other FA. If you guys signed Wade before signing those guys, you'd never have to officially renounce him.

A better example to explain this with his Haslem. You guys have a $5M cap hold for his bird rights. So when you guys go to use your cap space, you're going to have to renounce him to clear that $5M. You guys can still sign him to a vet minimum contract, but you no longer have his bird rights since you needed to renounce him in order to use the money set aside for his cap hold.

WaDe03
06-27-2016, 12:17 AM
You guys are going to keep him. It's semantics but if you sign Durant and Whiteside to max contracts before Wade agrees to terms, you'd have to renounce him. Then you'd have no bird rights, just some leftover cap space to use on him like any other FA. If you guys signed Wade before signing those guys, you'd never have to officially renounce him.

A better example to explain this with his Haslem. You guys have a $5M cap hold for his bird rights. So when you guys go to use your cap space, you're going to have to renounce him to clear that $5M. You guys can still sign him to a vet minimum contract, but you no longer have his bird rights since you needed to renounce him in order to use the money set aside for his cap hold.

Thanks!

eDush
06-27-2016, 02:17 AM
We would more than likely trade Dragic and McBob to keep Whiteside and Wade then add Durant. :nod:

:dance:

Would Riley signed KD if he calls him an idiot for his comment on Lebron for leaving? :no: Would Cuban signed KD if he calls him an idiot for a comment on Westy star status? :no: And to trade an all star PG with a scrub is such a good move indeed :clap:

Durant decides what players he wants to play with and what players he want gone, not Riley or he won't sign. Now that's what I call star power :nod:

:dance:

eDush
06-27-2016, 02:25 AM
I hope Durant goes to the Celtics. Balance out the power a little bit. He'd be pretty much guaranteed finals appearances in the east.

He will signed if Danny can get his players on that team and if he can't do it, he will call the Fleecer an idiot for wasting his time and leave like mister smooth :dance2:.

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/kevin-durant-celtics-list-of-players/306483

He has Lebron like power to dictate who he wants or he won't sign :no:. Its the price for dealing with the best and most sought after scorer in the market by far :nod:.

eDush
06-27-2016, 02:29 AM
eDush is a Lakers fan now. He also wants Curry to go to Charlotte and Green to go to the Pistons.

Wow you are good from reading between the lines on how much I fancy being a Lakers fan that there is no hiding that from you Scoots. I so want my favorite players Curry and Green to leave the Warriors so we can be losers once again, Wow you are good :clap:.

:dance:

More-Than-Most
06-27-2016, 02:49 AM
Dude with the Smileys holy crap

europagnpilgrim
06-27-2016, 03:02 AM
Its not about how good the player is....Westbrook is better but as I said, selfish me first guys don't win titles. (all star and dream team olympic teams being the exception when the coach pulls those guys late).

Westbrook will not do the little things it takes in the biggest moments because he is to selfish and arrogant.

Westbrook, Melo, Karl Malone, Randy Moss, Terrell owens and the list goes on.....you don't win titles with those types of players.

Westbrook does a lot in the normal moments, but guys like Westbrook don't do the little things in the big moment and they tend to cost the team in a way that looks like they are either being lazy or trying to take it all on themselves....when in reality there ego won't let them let someone else shine. That is why they don't win titles.

You named players who have played In the Finals and Superbowls that came up short and didn't win it all, but how did they get there? by not doing the little things? didn't Owens come back after a serious injury to play in that big game? Malone went to back to back finals vs. Jordan and Moss almost did early in career and did later made a Super Bowl by not doing the little things?

if you can make it with that player then that's the closest thing to winning a title/ring, even if they didn't actually win they shouldn't even sniff the Finals/SuperBowl if the player wasn't doing big things, down to the smallest things of which you mention they should do(whatever that means)

Westbrook is the only one of those players who control the game being the PG(QB of the team), those others had to be setup by the PG/QB, Vikings Moss almost went to the superbowl with a QB who was basically relic/old and then goes to the big game with Brady, Malone had Stockton who I feel Stockton didn't do enough as he should have scored more but Malone came up small due to his production that he was accustomed to, it happens to the best sometimes

Owens had nothing to do with Romo muffing a fg attempt, had nothing to do with McNabb getting gassed in the biggest game of his life and so on, him wanting the ball is just like Jordan wanting his FG shots

Jordan was one of the biggest selfish ballhogs in history of the game and won titles, he only passed more because of the offense that Tex installed that consisted of ball movement but doesn't take from he was what he was, he told Pippen/Grant he was getting his shots/pts, every game

I just think some players don't win rings/titles because the other team had the better players/or team as a whole, who were just better that Sunday/series

not because of little things, like what set a screen? or dive for a lose ball? or make a effort to block harder on running plays as a WR? if that's the case nobody does those little things excessively except for lesser role players

sometimes guys get worn out by doing too much normally and the last few minutes of all games are more magnified/criticized and a turnover here or there outweights the prior ones earlier in games but they all come back to hurt the team since a game is 4 qtrs played and not for a 4 minute stretch

goingfor28
06-27-2016, 03:06 AM
What's wrong with what I said?
Everything. You're delusional.

Clint Olbrock
06-27-2016, 05:14 AM
I see thanks for the explanation. One last thing, why wouldn't they want to renounce Wades rights?
Because once you're out of cap space(which you would be after maxing out 2 guys even if you got rid of Dragic and McBob) you wouldn't be able to sign him for more than the veteran minimum.

The only way you can sign guys for more than the veteran minimum without having cap space is exceptions and bird rights.

Wade wouldn't play for the vet min, no chance.

PAOboston
06-27-2016, 08:00 AM
I don't get the GSW angle. It doesn't make sense to me. GSW were a couple of minutes away from winning a 2nd straight championship and came off a record setting 73 win regular season. They already have 3 all stars. That team really isn't broken so I don't get why KD is a legit option for them. He'll more than likely replace Barnes but Barnes is basically a 4th option on the offense as currently constituted. Are they going to re-work their offense to just include KD? There's only one ball. How exactly are they going to share it between Curry, Thompson, and Green? And that doesn't include the other economic and roster depth issues signing KD would create.

WaDe03
06-27-2016, 08:08 AM
Would Riley signed KD if he calls him an idiot for his comment on Lebron for leaving? :no: Would Cuban signed KD if he calls him an idiot for a comment on Westy star status? :no: And to trade an all star PG with a scrub is such a good move indeed :clap:

Durant decides what players he wants to play with and what players he want gone, not Riley or he won't sign. Now that's what I call star power :nod:

:dance:

He didn't call Riley an idiot though. :clap: we will have to wait and see :nod:

:dance:

WaDe03
06-27-2016, 08:50 AM
Everything. You're delusional.

So you're saying if KD wants to come to Miami which the reports say it's us or the Warriors if he leaves but that could change, and Whiteside wants to stay, Riley can't find a way to get Wade, Durant, and Whiteside? That sounds delusional on your part to me considering Riley is the GOAT GM but we'll see.

WaDe03
06-27-2016, 08:51 AM
Remember what KD said, "it's not all about the money." He may not demand the max contract considering he signed a 300+ million dollar deal with Nike.

WaDe03
06-27-2016, 08:54 AM
Because once you're out of cap space(which you would be after maxing out 2 guys even if you got rid of Dragic and McBob) you wouldn't be able to sign him for more than the veteran minimum.

The only way you can sign guys for more than the veteran minimum without having cap space is exceptions and bird rights.

Wade wouldn't play for the vet min, no chance.

Thanks!

likemystylez
06-27-2016, 09:16 AM
Remember what KD said, "it's not all about the money." He may not demand the max contract considering he signed a 300+ million dollar deal with Nike.

this is what gives the warriors fans hope


On the other hand, a lot of players will say things like Money isnt everything and there are more important things than money.... because coming out and saying I took the deal that had the most gauranteed money over 5 years reflects negatively on a players character in the public eye. LOL, and it could hurt their brand and limit their potential to make.... more money in endorsements.

but the fact that he is meeting with golden state in his first group and not with teams like the lakers and the knicks who could offer him more has to be a good sign

nycericanguy
06-27-2016, 09:16 AM
So you're saying if KD wants to come to Miami which the reports say it's us or the Warriors if he leaves but that could change, and Whiteside wants to stay, Riley can't find a way to get Wade, Durant, and Whiteside? That sounds delusional on your part to me considering Riley is the GOAT GM but we'll see.

you're so hung up on what Riley did 6 years ago to get the big 3, when in fact that was orchestrated by the players more than anything.

I wouldn't hold your breath expecting that to happen again.

eDush
06-27-2016, 09:37 AM
Would Riley signed KD if he calls him an idiot for his comment on Lebron for leaving? :no: Would Cuban signed KD if he calls him an idiot for a comment on Westy star status? :no: And to trade an all star PG with a scrub is such a good move indeed :clap:

Durant decides what players he wants to play with and what players he want gone, not Riley or he won't sign. Now that's what I call star power :nod:

:dance:

He didn't call Riley an idiot though. :clap: we will have to wait and see :nod:

:dance:

If you say so....:laugh2:

:dance2:

eDush
06-27-2016, 09:41 AM
Remember what KD said, "it's not all about the money." He may not demand the max contract considering he signed a 300+ million dollar deal with Nike.

this is what gives the warriors fans hope


On the other hand, a lot of players will say things like Money isnt everything and there are more important things than money.... because coming out and saying I took the deal that had the most gauranteed money over 5 years reflects negatively on a players character in the public eye. LOL, and it could hurt their brand and limit their potential to make.... more money in endorsements.

but the fact that he is meeting with golden state in his first group and not with teams like the lakers and the knicks who could offer him more has to be a good sign
He's going to hand us a list of players he wants and don't want on the team which means Bogut must go. Will the Warriors comply or not?

:no:

likemystylez
06-27-2016, 09:46 AM
He's going to hand us a list of players he wants and don't want on the team which means Bogut must go. Will the Warriors comply or not?

:no:

lol they might get rid of bogut whether durant wants him gone or not just to make space hahaha

eDush
06-27-2016, 09:47 AM
Everything. You're delusional.

So you're saying if KD wants to come to Miami which the reports say it's us or the Warriors if he leaves but that could change, and Whiteside wants to stay, Riley can't find a way to get Wade, Durant, and Whiteside? That sounds delusional on your part to me considering Riley is the GOAT GM but we'll see.
He will tell Riley he wants Perkins on his team and hire Fisher as a top assistant to eventually replace that bum you have as HC now, Lebron style and Riley will do it if he wants the best scorer he ever seen :nod:.

:dance:

basketballkitty
06-27-2016, 09:50 AM
Golden State cannot even think about signing Durant til they not only renounce ALL their own free agents, e.g., Barnes, Speights, Barbosa, ect. But get a team to take on Bugut's huge final year deal, as well as either Iggy's ( Who they don't wanna deal )..or Stephenson's. And NO TEAM is gonna take on that salary for nothing. And GS has ZERO in the way of any sort of assets to surrender. So there is ZERO chance of Durant in Golden State...unless Durant is gonna agree to take about 15 million less a season...NOT going to happen folks.

eDush
06-27-2016, 09:59 AM
He's going to hand us a list of players he wants and don't want on the team which means Bogut must go. Will the Warriors comply or not?

:no:

lol they might get rid of bogut whether durant wants him gone or not just to make space hahaha
You probably right and we must bring in his buddy Perkins and Fisher to replace Luke :nod:. I actually don't have a problem with his demands if he's signs a longer term contract with no one year opt out as well as not including a no trade clause that Kobe and Melo has.

We aim to please as Warriors:dance:

eDush
06-27-2016, 10:07 AM
Golden State cannot even think about signing Durant til they not only renounce ALL their own free agents, e.g., Barnes, Speights, Barbosa, ect. But get a team to take on Bugut's huge final year deal, as well as either Iggy's ( Who they don't wanna deal )..or Stephenson's. And NO TEAM is gonna take on that salary for nothing. And GS has ZERO in the way of any sort of assets to surrender. So there is ZERO chance of Durant in Golden State...unless Durant is gonna agree to take about 15 million less a season...NOT going to happen folks.
:laugh2: BS!!! ...we only need to dump Bogut which we don't need anyways and our owner has no problems playing the luxury tax unlike your cheap owner. You don't know anything about our team or how the CBA works do you?

:dance:

hugepatsfan
06-27-2016, 10:14 AM
Golden State cannot even think about signing Durant til they not only renounce ALL their own free agents, e.g., Barnes, Speights, Barbosa, ect. But get a team to take on Bugut's huge final year deal, as well as either Iggy's ( Who they don't wanna deal )..or Stephenson's. And NO TEAM is gonna take on that salary for nothing. And GS has ZERO in the way of any sort of assets to surrender. So there is ZERO chance of Durant in Golden State...unless Durant is gonna agree to take about 15 million less a season...NOT going to happen folks.

You're very wrong. If the Warriors keep Livingston they have $77,316,005 committed to 9 players (that includes the cap hold for their #1 pick). Durant would be their 10th player which means they'd have two additional cap hold to get to the minimum 12 roster spots. Each are $543,471. Add those two cap holds and GS is up to $78,402,947. With a $94M cap that leaves them $15,597,053 to offer Durant. His max is $26.4M so his pay cut would be $10,802,947. Not $15M.

Still, that's a bigger pay cut than you can expect him to take IMO. The Warriors can dump Bogut and offer him a full max or dump Iggy and pay him a couple hundred thousand less than the max. They only need to clear one of them.

And you know what else, if they dump Bogut, Durant only needs to take a $3,143,736 pay cut to allow them to also keep Ezeli.

It's very financially reasonable for Durant to go to GS. The only potential issue is if the league bands together not to take on Bogut (possible but unlikely). If Durant doesn't go to GS it's because he has some pride as a competitor.

BKLYNpigeon
06-27-2016, 10:16 AM
Golden State cannot even think about signing Durant til they not only renounce ALL their own free agents, e.g., Barnes, Speights, Barbosa, ect. But get a team to take on Bugut's huge final year deal, as well as either Iggy's ( Who they don't wanna deal )..or Stephenson's. And NO TEAM is gonna take on that salary for nothing. And GS has ZERO in the way of any sort of assets to surrender. So there is ZERO chance of Durant in Golden State...unless Durant is gonna agree to take about 15 million less a season...NOT going to happen folks.

WRONG!

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2016/06/22/warriors-summer-priority/


If the Warriors renounce the rights to Barnes and Ezili they will be 17.5 million under the cap.
Dump Boguts contract at 11 million - Warriors will be 28.5 under the cap.

If Delladova is expected to make 10 mil a season, with the cap rising. 11mil for Bogut is a BARGAIN. I'm sure a lot of teams would want Bogut and have the space to absorb his whole contract. Warriors might even get a 2nd round pick in return!

BKLYNpigeon
06-27-2016, 10:24 AM
I think KD choices are OKC or GSW.


Miami Heat just doesnt make sense.

- If KD signs a max contract with Miami, they wouldn't have the room to resign Whiteside.
- Bosh's Health is in question, who knows how long he will be playing.
- Wade and Dragic are ball dominate Guards. Its OKC all over again.

basketballkitty
06-27-2016, 10:35 AM
You're very wrong. If the Warriors keep Livingston they have $77,316,005 committed to 9 players (that includes the cap hold for their #1 pick). Durant would be their 10th player which means they'd have two additional cap hold to get to the minimum 12 roster spots. Each are $543,471. Add those two cap holds and GS is up to $78,402,947. With a $94M cap that leaves them $15,597,053 to offer Durant. His max is $26.4M so his pay cut would be $10,802,947. Not $15M.

Still, that's a bigger pay cut than you can expect him to take IMO. The Warriors can dump Bogut and offer him a full max or dump Iggy and pay him a couple hundred thousand less than the max. They only need to clear one of them.

And you know what else, if they dump Bogut, Durant only needs to take a $3,143,736 pay cut to allow them to also keep Ezeli.

It's very financially reasonable for Durant to go to GS. The only potential issue is if the league bands together not to take on Bogut (possible but unlikely). If Durant doesn't go to GS it's because he has some pride as a competitor.





No, I am not wrong. Here, look at the Cap figures in below link. The Warriors are already over 80 million committed next year. And that does NOT take into account the " Cap holds " for players like Barnes, Ezeli, Speights, Rush, Barbosa, Mcadoo. So, not only would ALL of those players have to be renounced after July 7th just to keep your payroll at that 80 million figure, yes, you would have to get a team to wanna take in the over 11 million of Bogut's deal. And since Bugut is a worthles POS, and since Golden State has ZERO Assets to send out to make a team wanna give up over 11 million of their own free agency spending money...how the HELL do you think they will accomplish this. ? Please son...Put down the Crack pipe.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/GSW.html

Tony_Starks
06-27-2016, 10:39 AM
Miami will have to be really creative but I never put anything past Riley.

If I'm KD I think I'd lean towards Boston tho. They have all the surrounding talent, just need a lead guy.

Plus it puts him in the JV league after years of fighting tooth and nail in the West to even make the WCF.

Go to the east and get that easy pass to the Finals.

hugepatsfan
06-27-2016, 10:41 AM
No, I am not wrong. Here, look at the Cap figures in below link. The Warriors are already over 80 million committed next year. And that does NOT take into account the " Cap holds " for players like Barnes, Ezeli, Speights, Rush, Barbosa, Mcadoo. So, not only would ALL of those players have to be renounced after July 7th just to keep your payroll at that 80 million figure, yes, you would have to get a team to wanna take in the over 11 million of Bogut's deal. And since Bugut is a worthles POS, and since Golden State has ZERO Assets to send out to make a team wanna give up over 11 million of their own free agency spending money...how the HELL do you think they will accomplish this. ? Please son...Put down the Crack pipe.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/GSW.html

Jason Thompson is not under contract. They have a $900K dead money charge for him, not the full salary that your link shows. That saves about $5M. They also signed Patrick McGraw to a rookie minimum deal not shown there.

basketballkitty
06-27-2016, 10:47 AM
Jason Thompson is not under contract. They have a $900K dead money charge for him, not the full salary that your link shows. That saves about $5M. They also signed Patrick McGraw to a rookie minimum deal not shown there.



Okay, besides everything, you Golden State weenies are forgetting...Andrew Bogut carries ZERO Value. And not just that but, why would ANY NBA team wanna take in Bogut's salary, greatly reducing what THEY can do in free agency, and Oh BTW...HAND then adding Kevin Durant ?...I mean HELLO...Mcfly!! What for ?...a 2017 1st round pick at 30 ?...you think that is ANY kind of value ? ( LOL )


People please, stay out of those Bay area Opium dens!

BKLYNpigeon
06-27-2016, 10:48 AM
Jason Thompson is not under contract. They have a $900K dead money charge for him, not the full salary that your link shows. That saves about $5M. They also signed Patrick McGraw to a rookie minimum deal not shown there.

Warriors used the Stretch Provision on Jason Thompson. its only 900k in dead money for the next few years.

BKLYNpigeon
06-27-2016, 10:51 AM
Okay, besides everything, you Golden State weenies are forgetting...Andrew Bogut carries ZERO Value. And not just that but, why would ANY NBA team wanna take in Bogut's salary, greatly reducing what THEY can do in free agency, and Oh BTW...HAND then adding Kevin Durant ?...I mean HELLO...Mcfly!! What for ?...a 2017 1st round pick at 30 ?...you think that is ANY kind of value ? ( LOL )


People please, stay out of those Bay area Opium dens!


11 mil for Bogut is a BARGAIN. any team needing a Big would be able to absorb the whole contract.

Delly gonna make 10 mil a year. lol.

BKLYNpigeon
06-27-2016, 10:52 AM
If the Warriors renounce the rights to Barnes and Ezili they will be 17.5 million under the cap.
Dump Boguts contract at 11 million - Warriors will be 28.5 under the cap.

Heres The Warriors real Salary Cap Numbers:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2016/06/22/warriors-summer-priority/

likemystylez
06-27-2016, 10:53 AM
WRONG!

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2016/06/22/warriors-summer-priority/


If the Warriors renounce the rights to Barnes and Ezili they will be 17.5 million under the cap.
Dump Boguts contract at 11 million - Warriors will be 28.5 under the cap.

If Delladova is expected to make 10 mil a season, with the cap rising. 11mil for Bogut is a BARGAIN. I'm sure a lot of teams would want Bogut and have the space to absorb his whole contract. Warriors might even get a 2nd round pick in return!

also with bogut- its a 1 yr deal.

hed be off the books next season, or he could be used in a trade during the season to make salaries work. I thought he was over 12 million a year- but either way... 11-12 million isnt nearly as much as it was 4 or 5 yrs ago. I think by the next cap increase- the average starter in the league is going to be around 15-17 million/ yr

BKLYNpigeon
06-27-2016, 10:56 AM
also with bogut- its a 1 yr deal.

hed be off the books next season, or he could be used in a trade during the season to make salaries work. I thought he was over 12 million a year- but either way... 11-12 million isnt nearly as much as it was 4 or 5 yrs ago. I think by the next cap increase- the average starter in the league is going to be around 15-17 million/ yr

exactly.

with players like Delly ,Shumpert pulling in 10mil a year. Bouguts contract is a bargain.

likemystylez
06-27-2016, 11:07 AM
exactly.

with players like Delly ,Shumpert pulling in 10mil a year. Bouguts contract is a bargain.

in fairness- delly has not actually been offered 10 million a year. that seems a bit high, but who knows.

nycericanguy
06-27-2016, 11:07 AM
11 mil for Bogut is a BARGAIN. any team needing a Big would be able to absorb the whole contract.

Delly gonna make 10 mil a year. lol.

Bogut has more value to the Warriors then he would to other teams.

He'll be 32 before next year and has a history of injury issues. Warriors have been able to keep him relatively healthy by playing him less games and less minutes... but other teams? Rebuilding teams certainly wouldn't want him, and most of the contending teams don't have that much cap space for such a luxury, nor would they want to help facilitate the rich getting richer.

I think the word "bargain" is getting tossed around way too much now... Steph Curry is a bargain at $11m, Jae Crowder is a bargain at $5m, Jeff Teague is a bargain at $8m... a 32 year old Bogut who plays 20mpg with injury concerns is not a bargain at $11m...

basketballkitty
06-27-2016, 11:20 AM
What you people can't seem to understand is this..whether or not you think Bogut's 11 + million salary next season is a BARGAIN or not. The facts are the Warriors CANNOT sign " KEVIN DURANT " unless his salary is GONE. And why would ANY NBA team ( Who's job it is to also WIN the NBA Championship )...take Bogut's deal and make it possible for the Warriors to sign the BEST available free agent player, and maybe the leagues 2nd best player in the entire league ?...why would they do that ? Answer...they WON'T! At least not with some EXTREMELY Valuable assets also returning in that trade ( I mean besides the LEGEND that is Bogut )...and NO...a 2017 1st rounder is NOT Assets. If they toss in Klay Thompson..okay. But other then that...it AIN;T gonna happen.

xxplayerxx23
06-27-2016, 11:25 AM
Future assets a team like the 76ers pea team that needs to get to the floor would 100% take bogut. If KD was coming or a guy like Horford I'd bet they throw in a future first if needed

hugepatsfan
06-27-2016, 11:40 AM
Miami will have to be really creative but I never put anything past Riley.

If I'm KD I think I'd lean towards Boston tho. They have all the surrounding talent, just need a lead guy.

Plus it puts him in the JV league after years of fighting tooth and nail in the West to even make the WCF.

Go to the east and get that easy pass to the Finals.

I want to believe it but I just don't see it. The one draw I think is that he gets to be the guy who didn't team up with a bunch of all stars just to win. IT is one but not held in such high regard around the league like the super teams everyone else is forming. The Celtics could also sign Horford to a max and bring Amir back on a MLE type deal. Then sign his friend Kendrick Perkins to a minimum deal.

IT/Rozier/Demetrius Jackson
Bradley/Smart/RJ Hunter
Durant/Jaylen Brown
Jae Crowder/Amir/Jordan Mickey/Ben Bentil
Horford/Olynyk/Perkins

All the Celtics need to do to make this work is salary dump James Young's $1.8M salary which I think should be easy enough.

That team is right up there with CLE IMO. However, I'd actually go a different route. I would salary salary dump Olynyk with Young. And then instead of signing Horford to a max and Amir to a MLE type deal I would split the Olynyk/Horford/Amir money between Ryan Anderson, Bismack Biyombo and Jared Sullinger/ Sully's cap hold is like $5.8M and then we can go over the cap to re-sign him.

IT/Rozier/Jackson
Bradley/Smart/Hunter
Durant/Brown
Crowder/Anderson/Mickey/Bentil
Biyombo/Sullinger/Perkins

Having Biyombo as a great rim protector and rebounder IMO is more beneficial to that starting lineup than Horford's supreme offensive skill. Anderson can be a great scorer for the 2nd unit and Sullinger adds more rebounding. I like the mix of that team better.

But like I said, that just isn't a star power team. Durant would have to be sold on the idea of bucking the "Big 3" trend that's taken over the NBA. I just don't see it but hey, he at least gave us a meeting. So it seems like something he's at least open to listening to.

Big Zo
06-27-2016, 11:44 AM
Miami will have to be really creative but I never put anything past Riley.

If I'm KD I think I'd lean towards Boston tho. They have all the surrounding talent, just need a lead guy.

Plus it puts him in the JV league after years of fighting tooth and nail in the West to even make the WCF.

Go to the east and get that easy pass to the Finals.

Miami has question marks with Bosh's Health, but homerism aside, I still think it's a better option than Boston. KD is likely in "win now" mode, and it wouldn't make sense for him to leave a team like OKC to join a bunch of young guys in Boston that don't have much experience.

Tony_Starks
06-27-2016, 11:51 AM
Miami has question marks with Bosh's Health, but homerism aside, I still think it's a better option than Boston. KD is likely in "win now" mode, and it wouldn't make sense for him to leave a team like OKC to join a bunch of young guys in Boston that don't have much experience.

Experience is overrated when it comes to guys who can really play. Plus the guy you need with the most experience is the leader, KD.

FlashBolt
06-27-2016, 11:54 AM
Kanter
Adams
Oladipo
Westbrook
Durant

Not many teams have a better roster than this.. If Durant wants to win, his best chance is obviously the Warriors. I'll lose respect for him if he does, though. Dude never came across to me as a desperate player.

hugepatsfan
06-27-2016, 12:05 PM
Kanter
Adams
Oladipo
Westbrook
Durant

Not many teams have a better roster than this.. If Durant wants to win, his best chance is obviously the Warriors. I'll lose respect for him if he does, though. Dude never came across to me as a desperate player.

I agree. GS is his best chance to win but it's a ***** move. OKC is his second best bet to win and it comes with all the personal glory of actually being a competitor. The one thing that might push him away is that, IMO, Westbrook is going to the Lakers. I don't think it's even a basketball thing. I just get the vibe that he simply wants to play in LA and be a Laker. And I can see Durant being the type of guy to not want to just play out the last year and just go to where he will be long-term instead. If he does leave, I think that's what the reasoning will be. But I still think he'll stay in OKC for a year and try to win it and then if Westbtook does leave, he'll head out next offseason probably.

IKnowHoops
06-27-2016, 12:05 PM
Future assets a team like the 76ers pea team that needs to get to the floor would 100% take bogut. If KD was coming or a guy like Horford I'd bet they throw in a future first if needed

76ers?

Team with 4 centers already?

Lol no

FlashBolt
06-27-2016, 12:11 PM
I agree. GS is his best chance to win but it's a ***** move. OKC is his second best bet to win and it comes with all the personal glory of actually being a competitor. The one thing that might push him away is that, IMO, Westbrook is going to the Lakers. I don't think it's even a basketball thing. I just get the vibe that he simply wants to play in LA and be a Laker. And I can see Durant being the type of guy to not want to just play out the last year and just go to where he will be long-term instead. If he does leave, I think that's what the reasoning will be. But I still think he'll stay in OKC for a year and try to win it and then if Westbtook does leave, he'll head out next offseason probably.

Well, just sign a two year with a player option for next season. I don't know what Westbrook will do and I'm a firm believer that if it doesn't work, changes have to happen for both parties. I don't blame Westbrook or Durant for leaving. **** happens. I just think we can still compete for the championship if we just tweak a few pieces. Westbrook and Durant choked against the Warriors. They shouldn't be blaming their roster at all. We were up 3-1 and it looked like a Cavs vs OKC matchup in which I think we would have exploited their lack of interior defense. I don't think Kyrie outplays Westbrook and Durant vs James is always a great battle. Adams+Kanter will eat up Love/Thompson and RJ would have played zero minutes because of that lineup. KD+Westbrook need to blame themselves for losing that. Resorted back to ISO ball, up 9 heading to the fourth, they turned the ball over and choked.

Big Zo
06-27-2016, 12:22 PM
Experience is overrated when it comes to guys who can really play. Plus the guy you need with the most experience is the leader, KD.

I beg to differ. If I was a free agent in KD's shoes, already on a team that's close to winning, I wouldn't join a bunch of guys with zero playoff experience, and go through the usual growing pains with them. That's just me, though.

WaDe03
06-27-2016, 12:52 PM
you're so hung up on what Riley did 6 years ago to get the big 3, when in fact that was orchestrated by the players more than anything.

I wouldn't hold your breath expecting that to happen again.

I never mentioned the big 3 lol. I'm actually one of the few Heat fans that gives him little credit for that.

FlashBolt
06-27-2016, 12:57 PM
Warriors got a steal with Curry. They are going to have to pay him more than double in 2017. Safe to say that they will have to shell out a lot of money very soon.

xxplayerxx23
06-27-2016, 01:04 PM
76ers?

Team with 4 centers already?

Lol no

Lol they wouldn't keep bogut.

eDush
06-27-2016, 01:23 PM
Warriors got a steal with Curry. They are going to have to pay him more than double in 2017. Safe to say that they will have to shell out a lot of money very soon.
Steal? He was a lotto pick so not really. Now Dray was a MEGA steal for us :nod: and our owner have no problem paying those salary, tax....sky the limit when it comes to the best organization in the association :nod:.

hugepatsfan
06-27-2016, 01:49 PM
Well, just sign a two year with a player option for next season. I don't know what Westbrook will do and I'm a firm believer that if it doesn't work, changes have to happen for both parties. I don't blame Westbrook or Durant for leaving. **** happens. I just think we can still compete for the championship if we just tweak a few pieces. Westbrook and Durant choked against the Warriors. They shouldn't be blaming their roster at all. We were up 3-1 and it looked like a Cavs vs OKC matchup in which I think we would have exploited their lack of interior defense. I don't think Kyrie outplays Westbrook and Durant vs James is always a great battle. Adams+Kanter will eat up Love/Thompson and RJ would have played zero minutes because of that lineup. KD+Westbrook need to blame themselves for losing that. Resorted back to ISO ball, up 9 heading to the fourth, they turned the ball over and choked.

I agree with you. I think he ultimately will go back. What I'm saying though is I can see Westbrook just wanting to be a Laker and play in LA. He's from there and he just seems like that type of personality. If that's the case, I can see Durant not wanting to delay the inevitable. Get to where he's going to go ASAP. IMO, if he leaves, that's what it will be for though.

DR_1
06-27-2016, 01:51 PM
They cost him one or 2 championships by trading away Harden. The front office has shown they are not about winning at all cost.



Yes, they have 2 very talented players, to bad they couldn't keep Harden for the icing on the cake.




Because he F'ed up by trading away Harden... All KD has to do is bring this up and the owner & GM won't have anything to really say. The owners didn't want to go into the tax to keep their team together.

It was a stupid move, so now they are trying to re-create it by making this trade.



Yes, it's a good team... Maybe to little to late though. KD can't get back the years he wasted.

This post is way too over the top. I don't think KD feels as strongly about all that is you do.

I think this is a 2-team race between the Thunder and Warriors.

BKLYNpigeon
06-27-2016, 01:56 PM
KD is going back to OKC.

Warriors should go After Jokim and some filler.

xxplayerxx23
06-27-2016, 02:03 PM
I don't see OKC as the second best team. I think cavs would beat them and I think Spurs will get some pieces and beat them as well. I think the clippers are a team to watch to beat them too if they grab a true sf. I do think he does a 1 and 1 then goes into the offseason next year with Russ and joins somewhere else baring winning a championship.

rhymeratic
06-27-2016, 02:35 PM
Kanter
Adams
Oladipo
Westbrook
Durant

Not many teams have a better roster than this.. If Durant wants to win, his best chance is obviously the Warriors. I'll lose respect for him if he does, though. Dude never came across to me as a desperate player.

I'm sorry but
PG Rose
SG TBD (3-D)
SF Durant
PF Melo
C Porzingis -> The DIFFERENCE MAKER

That 4some will only need to compete against the Cavs to make it to the Finals in the East and they have enough firepower and advantages to defeat them.

The Warriors and Spurs just aren't good fits in my opinion. Spurs setup is not a perfect fit and I don't believe Durant wants to play next to Kawhi.

The best part with the Knicks is 3 years from now, they will have the BEST player in the league and still be able to compete for the next 10 years with Porzingis. If I'm Durant, I'd rather play with that than any of the other options. The only guy who will age out/decline would be Melo and even then he'd just come off the bench as a 6th man...

Tony_Starks
06-27-2016, 02:49 PM
I beg to differ. If I was a free agent in KD's shoes, already on a team that's close to winning, I wouldn't join a bunch of guys with zero playoff experience, and go through the usual growing pains with them. That's just me, though.

Except they don't have zero playoff experience. They actually played fairly well in the playoffs for a young team that wasn't even supposed to make it.

( as much as it pains me to say it)

BIG worm
06-27-2016, 02:51 PM
I'm sorry but
PG Rose
SG TBD (3-D)
SF Durant
PF Melo
C Porzingis -> The DIFFERENCE MAKER

That 4some will only need to compete against the Cavs to make it to the Finals in the East and they have enough firepower and advantages to defeat them.

The Warriors and Spurs just aren't good fits in my opinion. Spurs setup is not a perfect fit and I don't believe Durant wants to play next to Kawhi.

The best part with the Knicks is 3 years from now, they will have the BEST player in the league and still be able to compete for the next 10 years with Porzingis. If I'm Durant, I'd rather play with that than any of the other options. The only guy who will age out/decline would be Melo and even then he'd just come off the bench as a 6th man...

He is 100% not going to the Knicks. Why on earth would you think KD would want to downgrade so massively?

RowBTrice
06-27-2016, 02:53 PM
I'm genuinely curious and shocked that the Heat and Clippers are on his list to visit. Why is that? I would say there's zero percent chance he chooses either, but he must have them on his list for some reason. Why?

tredigs
06-27-2016, 02:55 PM
I really do not understand why he would not resign on a 1+1 with OKC unless he was furious about the Ibaka/Dipo move, which I am fairly sure he was not (and they likely did it in part for him). The team is a contender (if not favorite), and he makes the most money by going this route (max 5 year deals will be bigger next season than this one).

mudvayne387
06-27-2016, 02:59 PM
I'm sorry but
PG Rose
SG TBD (3-D)
SF Durant
PF Melo
C Porzingis -> The DIFFERENCE MAKER

That 4some will only need to compete against the Cavs to make it to the Finals in the East and they have enough firepower and advantages to defeat them.

The Warriors and Spurs just aren't good fits in my opinion. Spurs setup is not a perfect fit and I don't believe Durant wants to play next to Kawhi.

The best part with the Knicks is 3 years from now, they will have the BEST player in the league and still be able to compete for the next 10 years with Porzingis. If I'm Durant, I'd rather play with that than any of the other options. The only guy who will age out/decline would be Melo and even then he'd just come off the bench as a 6th man...

I've been really quiet on my "Durant to the Knicks" chatter, but he would elevate that team to ECF contenders immediately. Don't forget, if they somehow signed Durant, you'd also get some turkey vultures (players that take less to compete for championship) willing to sign in NY. Add in someone like Courtney Lee to man the SG position and I don't see why they couldn't compete with Cleveland in the East.

Rose
Lee
Durant
Melo
Porzingis

Hibbert
Galloway
O'Quinn
Thomas
Hernangomez
Antekokounmpo
Early
Holiday

The bench would be thin, you'd have to hope some veterans would take less to play with 3 potentially 4 stars in one of the best cities in America. Not so far fetched.

tredigs
06-27-2016, 03:04 PM
I do wonder if the top GSW players would actually want KD on the team. Knowing that they're already a top contender without him and knowing that all their shots would go down (though not as significantly as some might think... it's essentially spreading ~8 less shots over the entire roster), he might not be as welcomed by them as he would be by management. Klay getting pushed to 3rd option might be the most annoyed by this, and there's always the chance that him and Curry would not see eye to eye (especially if they faced a tough loss in the playoffs), resulting in him deciding to start anew elsewhere after his impending free agency next season.

Just saying, assuming KD wanted in, bringing him in is likely a net+, but it's also a calculated risk. As strange as it sounds, as a Warrior fan - while it would be entertaining to have him - it's not exactly something I'm pushing for.

Slug3
06-27-2016, 03:05 PM
I'm genuinely curious and shocked that the Heat and Clippers are on his list to visit. Why is that? I would say there's zero percent chance he chooses either, but he must have them on his list for some reason. Why?

Not so sure why the Clippers as they really don't have any money and they would have to agree to a big trade. I can only assume Miami cause of Riley. I mean even Aldridge took a meeting with Pat last year and we have no way of even trying to sign him.

mgjohnson7851
06-27-2016, 03:11 PM
I mean deep down everyone knows KD is coming to Denver lol

Scoots
06-27-2016, 03:26 PM
Warriors got a steal with Curry. They are going to have to pay him more than double in 2017. Safe to say that they will have to shell out a lot of money very soon.

I think Curry signs for less than the max next year as part of being the "team leader" and to ensure as much flexibility as possible in the future and he'll get assurances that he will get paid "his money" straight from the owner. Their argument will go something like "Tim Duncan? Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan!"

Dade County
06-27-2016, 03:30 PM
This post is way too over the top. I don't think KD feels as strongly about all that is you do.

I think this is a 2-team race between the Thunder and Warriors.

OKC better hope KD doesn't feel this way.

tredigs
06-27-2016, 03:37 PM
I think Curry signs for less than the max next year as part of being the "team leader" and to ensure as much flexibility as possible in the future and he'll get assurances that he will get paid "his money" straight from the owner. Their argument will go something like "Tim Duncan? Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan!"

Other than from guys like Prok to AK47 I do wonder how often that actually happens. My guess would be next to never, and I don't see Meyers/Curry working backroom deals to make that happen. Also, you have to consider that he just delivered b2b MVP seasons as the 54th highest paid player in the NBA; he has a lower salary than Robin Lopez. I see a very slim chance he takes a paycut that makes any true difference for the team.

hugepatsfan
06-27-2016, 03:58 PM
Not so sure why the Clippers as they really don't have any money and they would have to agree to a big trade. I can only assume Miami cause of Riley. I mean even Aldridge took a meeting with Pat last year and we have no way of even trying to sign him.

Yeah I think the MIA meeting is just wanting the chance to talk with Riley. Just like the BOS meeting is to take in the historic parts of the franchise he's raved about. Those teams can put good teams around him but I just don't see them as realistically his best shot.

LAC is really interesting. They probably have to trade Blake to make it work but they could together a really intriguing roster IMO.

xxplayerxx23
06-27-2016, 04:03 PM
I've been really quiet on my "Durant to the Knicks" chatter, but he would elevate that team to ECF contenders immediately. Don't forget, if they somehow signed Durant, you'd also get some turkey vultures (players that take less to compete for championship) willing to sign in NY. Add in someone like Courtney Lee to man the SG position and I don't see why they couldn't compete with Cleveland in the East.

Rose
Lee
Durant
Melo
Porzingis

Hibbert
Galloway
O'Quinn
Thomas
Hernangomez
Antekokounmpo
Early
Holiday

The bench would be thin, you'd have to hope some veterans would take less to play with 3 potentially 4 stars in one of the best cities in America. Not so far fetched.

They get durant I think they'll grab Noah and start trading a picks for role players. Also bring back lance Thomas lol

Big Zo
06-27-2016, 04:28 PM
I'm genuinely curious and shocked that the Heat and Clippers are on his list to visit. Why is that? I would say there's zero percent chance he chooses either, but he must have them on his list for some reason. Why?

As far as Heat goes:

1. Play in Miami
2. Play with two future hall of famers in Wade and Bosh
3 pastelitos y croquetas

j-bay
06-27-2016, 04:46 PM
As far as Heat goes:

1. Play in Miami
2. Play with two future hall of famers in Wade and Bosh
3 pastelitos y croquetas

Yeah 2 HOFers who are known to be really injury prone late in the season when it matters. You can say "oh Wade was healthy this year". Still would not trust him or Bosh as they get older. My advise is stay west KD. Its fools gold here East.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-27-2016, 04:49 PM
I feel like if Durant were to go to GSW it would take away what made that team really good to begin with, which was the great role players that they had that would've been third or fourth options on other teams. Signing Durant would mean you'd have to let go of those players. I understand the thinking of it, but I'm not so sure if it would work, especially considering there's already 2 of the greatest shooters of all time already on the time demanding the ball as well as Draymond.

Also Woj reported today that all the teams pitching for Durant this summer are making their pitch for next summer too, and expecting Durant to re-sign with OKC for one year.

hotdalton18
06-27-2016, 04:53 PM
I'm genuinely curious and shocked that the Heat and Clippers are on his list to visit. Why is that? I would say there's zero percent chance he chooses either, but he must have them on his list for some reason. Why?


Dragic/Richardson
Wade/Johnson
Durant/Winslow
Bosh
Whiteside

Doesn't have a good shot at Cleveland and a chip? Cut it out

RowBTrice
06-27-2016, 04:58 PM
As far as Heat goes:

1. Play in Miami
2. Play with two future hall of famers in Wade and Bosh
3 pastelitos y croquetas

1. Why is playing in Miami attractive? Are the hoops lower or the rims bigger or something? Or are you saying living in Miami is the benefit?
2. Playing with future hall of famers isn't that attractive when they're so old and/or injury prone, imo
3. no habla espanol

I still just don't see why miami or clippers. I don't know, I'm not KD though I guess.

RowBTrice
06-27-2016, 04:59 PM
Dragic/Richardson
Wade/Johnson
Durant/Winslow
Bosh
Whiteside

Doesn't have a good shot at Cleveland and a chip? Cut it out

Whiteside is resigning with Miami? Bosh is going to be able to play again? Wade's knees and rest of his body are for sure going to hold up?? Just seems like way too many question marks and uncertainties, where other locations are much more guaranteed.

hugepatsfan
06-27-2016, 05:01 PM
Dragic/Richardson
Wade/Johnson
Durant/Winslow
Bosh
Whiteside

Doesn't have a good shot at Cleveland and a chip? Cut it out

You guys are at about $50M of active salaries. That leaves $44M of cap space. With that cap space you need to sign Whiteside/Durant/Wade/Johnson. Whiteside's max is $22M. Durant's max is $26.4M. So those guys need to take a combined $2.4M pay cut between them. Then Wade needs to agree to re-sign for the minimum. Same with Johnson. and no way he does that having never made any real money. If Delly is getting $10M supposedly he'll get some coin as well.

For you guys to have an at-all realistic shot of Durant you need to either dump Dragic or let Whiteside go. Of course also dump McBob.

xxplayerxx23
06-27-2016, 05:04 PM
Dragic/Richardson
Wade/Johnson
Durant/Winslow
Bosh
Whiteside

Doesn't have a good shot at Cleveland and a chip? Cut it out


Whiteside is gone, bosh we don't know anything about his health, wade going to play for free? Joe Johnson as well?

Dade County
06-27-2016, 05:18 PM
Dragic/Richardson
Wade/Johnson
Durant/Winslow
Bosh
Whiteside

Doesn't have a good shot at Cleveland and a chip? Cut it out


I really don't think any of these players will be here long, if KD does decide to play for Miami. (richardson, Winslow, Dragon,Tj.

You have to ask yourself, why is KD even considering Miami; it has to be a option on the table for Miami to bring in someone that KD would want to play alongside.

Get your pop corn ready :)


Whiteside is resigning with Miami? Bosh is going to be able to play again? Wade's knees and rest of his body are for sure going to hold up?? Just seems like way too many question marks and uncertainties, where other locations are much more guaranteed.




Whiteside is gone, bosh we don't know anything about his health, wade going to play for free? Joe Johnson as well?

Just relax... Let it play out.

It seems like you guys are mad at HEAT fans, shouldn't you be trying to write KD asking him, why is Miami even an option?

I think deep down in side, you know that it might happen, but can't figure out why?

The NBA is a business, and Pat riley does lots of back door deals. It's a reason Miami is even an option, but us normal people will never know the real truth.

Scoots
06-27-2016, 05:18 PM
Other than from guys like Prok to AK47 I do wonder how often that actually happens. My guess would be next to never, and I don't see Meyers/Curry working backroom deals to make that happen. Also, you have to consider that he just delivered b2b MVP seasons as the 54th highest paid player in the NBA; he has a lower salary than Robin Lopez. I see a very slim chance he takes a paycut that makes any true difference for the team.

If he signs for less than the max he doesn't get to use the provisions which are special for actual max contracts. He'll be the highest paid player on the team but I don't think it'll be by $12M.

j-bay
06-27-2016, 05:26 PM
I really don't think any of these players will be here long, if KD does decide to play for Miami. (richardson, Winslow, Dragon,Tj.

You have to ask yourself, why is KD even considering Miami; it has to be a option on the table for Miami to bring in someone that KD would want to play alongside.

Get your pop corn ready :)







Just relax... Let it play out.

It seems like you guys are mad at HEAT fans, shouldn't you be trying to write KD asking him, why is Miami even an option?

I think deep down in side, you know that it might happen, but can't figure out why?

The NBA is a business, and Pat riley does lots of back door deals. It's a reason Miami is even an option, but us normal people will never know the real truth.

As far as i'm concerned it has nothing to do with talent. Its Wade and Bosh. Your asking those 2 to be 2 and 3. And they have had some serious injury issues. Not minor. Very bad injury issues. If i'm KD i'm asking for medical records. Im asking if this will be an issue in the future. Wade had his first healthy season in like what six years?

xxplayerxx23
06-27-2016, 05:36 PM
I really don't think any of these players will be here long, if KD does decide to play for Miami. (richardson, Winslow, Dragon,Tj.

You have to ask yourself, why is KD even considering Miami; it has to be a option on the table for Miami to bring in someone that KD would want to play alongside.

Get your pop corn ready :)







Just relax... Let it play out.

It seems like you guys are mad at HEAT fans, shouldn't you be trying to write KD asking him, why is Miami even an option?

I think deep down in side, you know that it might happen, but can't figure out why?

The NBA is a business, and Pat riley does lots of back door deals. It's a reason Miami is even an option, but us normal people will never know the real truth.


Lol just cuz heat were named doesn't mean they are a serious threat. He isn't going there you could trade Winslow to get something solid but no chance you get whiteside back

Dade County
06-27-2016, 05:37 PM
As far as i'm concerned it has nothing to do with talent. Its Wade and Bosh. Your asking those 2 to be 2 and 3. And they have had some serious injury issues. Not minor. Very bad injury issues. If i'm KD i'm asking for medical records. Im asking if this will be an issue in the future. Wade had his first healthy season in like what six years?

Funny stuff. But somewhat true.


But just let it play out. If Miami does land KD, we will have a totally different roster then what you see now. D Wade nor Whiteside will be are 2nd best player then.

I don't see Miami getting KD, unless there was a back door trade ready to go down.

Dade County
06-27-2016, 05:50 PM
Lol just cuz heat were named doesn't mean they are a serious threat. He isn't going there you could trade Winslow to get something solid but no chance you get whiteside back

Whats wrong with you? lol

And where is Whiteside going, did Whiteside say he was going to another team? if so, can you please post a link.


Whiteside is just playing the free agency game, teams want him, but if Pat wants him, he isn't going anywhere. Whats wrong with everyone.

Stop letting the media play you.

xxplayerxx23
06-27-2016, 05:59 PM
Whats wrong with you? lol

And where is Whiteside going, did Whiteside say he was going to another team? if so, can you please post a link.


Whiteside is just playing the free agency game, teams want him, but if Pat wants him, he isn't going anywhere. Whats wrong with everyone.

Stop letting the media play you.

You can't get back whiteside if you sign durant. If you don't sure he will take a full max anywhere. You can't have durant and whiteside there's no way. I'm pretty sure whiteside will be a laker

king james
06-27-2016, 06:01 PM
There is just a lot of hate for the Heat out there. I think that people are mad because of what we pulled off in 2010. Now they hope that it doesn't happen again.

DR_1
06-27-2016, 06:01 PM
Dragic/Richardson
Wade/Johnson
Durant/Winslow
Bosh
Whiteside

Doesn't have a good shot at Cleveland and a chip? Cut it out

Cleveland would own that team - if they get KD they will lose GOATside

Gibby23
06-27-2016, 06:06 PM
There is just a lot of hate for the Heat out there. I think that people are mad because of what we pulled off in 2010. Now they hope that it doesn't happen again.

Lol. That was 2010 when the Heat had open cap space for 3 guys and they all took less to make it work. Wade has been taking less the last few years for nothing. lol The Heat met with Melo and Aldridge the last 2 years and nothing came from it. Riley has been living off the superfriends deal from 2010 and has done nothing since, he may even lose Whiteside while not getting KD this offseason.

Green_Monster
06-27-2016, 06:12 PM
Whiteside is gone, bosh we don't know anything about his health, wade going to play for free? Joe Johnson as well?

I don't get it either.

They think Pat Riley is a deity that is capable of anything because of 2010, when in reality that was orchestrated by the big 3 themselves.

Green_Monster
06-27-2016, 06:15 PM
Lol. That was 2010 when the Heat had open cap space for 3 guys and they all took less to make it work. Wade has been taking less the last few years for nothing. lol The Heat met with Melo and Aldridge the last 2 years and nothing came from it. Riley has been living off the superfriends deal from 2010 and has done nothing since, he may even lose Whiteside while not getting KD this offseason.

Pretty much. Yet Pat Riley is looked at as some super human and whenever a big name free agent hits the market it's always "Pat will get him, he gets who he wants".

WaDe03
06-27-2016, 06:21 PM
Durant and Whiteside could both end up in Miami it's not as impossible as some of you like to make it sound and we have the genius Andy crunching numbers.

Gibby23
06-27-2016, 06:24 PM
Durant and Whiteside could both end up in Miami it's not as impossible as some of you like to make it sound and we have the genius Andy crunching numbers.

Number crunching doesn't matter. They would have to renounce Wade, and get rid of Dragic and probably Mcbob. And Wade would have to take a huge pay cut. Whiteside isn't taking a pay cut and Durant is taking a pay cut of his max because even if he did it wouldn't open up enough money for Miami to make a major move. You think Wade plays for like 7 or 8 million or MLE?

Big Zo
06-27-2016, 07:29 PM
Yeah 2 HOFers who are known to be really injury prone late in the season when it matters. You can say "oh Wade was healthy this year". Still would not trust him or Bosh as they get older. My advise is stay west KD. Its fools gold here East.
How many playoff games has Wade missed in his career? Only one I can think of was game 6 of the '05 conference finals.

Big Zo
06-27-2016, 07:39 PM
1. Why is playing in Miami attractive? Are the hoops lower or the rims bigger or something? Or are you saying living in Miami is the benefit?
2. Playing with future hall of famers isn't that attractive when they're so old and/or injury prone, imo
3. no habla espanol

I still just don't see why miami or clippers. I don't know, I'm not KD though I guess.

1. Obviously i'm referring to living in Miami.

2. I've already mentioned the health concerns in this thread, but KD playing with a healthy Wade and Bosh would put the Heat above Cleveland.
3. Croquettes and Cuban pastries.

Sofnr
06-27-2016, 07:41 PM
Durant is meeting with Miami because they asked for a meeting, it's a nice place to live, and he respects the organization enough to listen to their pitch. It's that simple.

But then Riley is going to try to talk him in to taking less money to play with Wade as his # 2, with no Whiteside and a likely retiring Bosh. Durant will quickly realize that pretty much every other situation he can pick will pay him more and give him a better chance to win. Not to mention a 1 year thunder deal is still by far his best option for the moment. I suppose it's unfair to count out miami but they are literally the biggest underdog in this fight. They don't have much to offer. 2010 doesn't mean anything. It's funny how that one situation has now convinced Heat fans they will always miraculously get the big guy. Lebron won't and wouldn't choose Miami in this current situation either. Hell he chose to walk out of a better situation 2 years ago regardless of the "great" Pat Riley. This isn't 2010.

WestCoastSportz
06-27-2016, 07:52 PM
Financially, Boston seems to be the best candidate. Their highest paid player was David Lee at $15M and he's coming off the books. They'll have close to $70M in cap space. Their best player, Isaiah Thomas, has 2 more years at $13M. They can sign 2 max players and another one close to it. But, his best interest would to do what Lebron James just did. Sign a 1 year max deal with OKC and enter free agency next year with Westbrook to see what he does. There's no use in signing a long term deal with OKC if they don't bring back Westbrook because one without the other won't make OKC a playoff team. And a max contract could be much more in 2017/18 when the cap is expected to jump to $108M so Durant could be making $32.4M instead of $27.5M.

Sofnr
06-27-2016, 08:23 PM
I'm not sure what Miami has planned but i think their best option is actually to sort of suck this year. Throw your hat in the ring for Durant knowing you are going to lose and let Whiteside walk on July 1st in the process. Give Wade a big 1 year contract to repay him for years of taking less money and in preparation for taking less next year. Let Bosh retire. They probably have a bad year and end up in the lottery. Over that year Riley can work on his maneuvering for next FA. I think Lebron will sign another 1 year deal with Cleveland and then look to leave and get a multi year deal elsewhere. He loves Miami, the Heat will likely have a lottery pick, Wade should be willing to take less again, and they'll just need to find that other superstar somewhere through FA or trade. That could potentially set them up for another run without going on a long rebulid. Right now they are just floundering around in almost contender status.

Rapsfanforlife
06-27-2016, 08:40 PM
Financially, Boston seems to be the best candidate. Their highest paid player was David Lee at $15M and he's coming off the books. They'll have close to $70M in cap space. Their best player, Isaiah Thomas, has 2 more years at $13M. They can sign 2 max players and another one close to it. But, his best interest would to do what Lebron James just did. Sign a 1 year max deal with OKC and enter free agency next year with Westbrook to see what he does. There's no use in signing a long term deal with OKC if they don't bring back Westbrook because one without the other won't make OKC a playoff team. And a max contract could be much more in 2017/18 when the cap is expected to jump to $108M so Durant could be making $32.4M instead of $27.5M.

yup...exactly. I think you are going to see alot of 1 and 2 year deals this summer...especially from the big guys.

Dade County
06-27-2016, 08:58 PM
You can't get back whiteside if you sign durant. If you don't sure he will take a full max anywhere. You can't have durant and whiteside there's no way. I'm pretty sure whiteside will be a laker

Let me help you out.


July 1st
HEAT first team to meet with Whiteside, they come to a deal. You see how easy that is?

Then they move on to KD, the reason why I say that; is because they would have already talk to Wade!!!!!!! I am sure they talk to Wade about this last season, this is why Wade said this time around he will get this over with fast and quietly.

Then when they talk to KD, if he does want to come to Miami, all they would have to do is trade Dragic & McRob. What seems to be the problem (Dragic 17mil, McRob 6mil)?

And if KD doesn't want to come here, ok. That doesn't mean we miss out on Whiteside; he would be taking cared of day 1.

Please if you found an article stating that Whiteside said he is leaving let me know, and please post it.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-27-2016, 09:08 PM
Let me help you out.


July 1st
HEAT first team to meet with Whiteside, they come to a deal. You see how easy that is?

Then they move on to KD, the reason why I say that; is because they would have already talk to Wade!!!!!!! I am sure they talk to Wade about this last season, this is why Wade said this time around he will get this over with fast and quietly.

Then when they talk to KD, if he does want to come to Miami, all they would have to do is trade Dragic & McRob. What seems to be the problem (Dragic 17mil, McRob 6mil)?

And if KD doesn't want to come here, ok. That doesn't mean we miss out on Whiteside; he would be taking cared of day 1.

Please if you found an article stating that Whiteside said he is leaving let me know, and please post it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/hassan-whiteside-on-free-agency---i-really-don-t-think-it-s-about-loyalty-161820754.html

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2016/06/whiteside-others-to-test-rileys-success-getting-players-to-sign-for-less-um-fallout-dolphins.html

Tim ReynoldsVerified account
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My guess after those 6 minutes with Hassan: It's going to be hard for Miami to keep him.

So even though it's not definitive either way, there's a pretty good chance Whiteside's not in a Heat uniform next season.

BKLYNpigeon
06-27-2016, 09:08 PM
Whiteside is not taking a discount to stay in Miami unless he gets a Not Trade Clause. Whiteside going to the Mavs. Texas has no state tax too.

DarkKnight
06-27-2016, 09:11 PM
Ha ha funny fans

Gibby23
06-27-2016, 09:16 PM
Let me help you out.


July 1st
HEAT first team to meet with Whiteside, they come to a deal. You see how easy that is?

Then they move on to KD, the reason why I say that; is because they would have already talk to Wade!!!!!!! I am sure they talk to Wade about this last season, this is why Wade said this time around he will get this over with fast and quietly.

Then when they talk to KD, if he does want to come to Miami, all they would have to do is trade Dragic & McRob. What seems to be the problem (Dragic 17mil, McRob 6mil)?

And if KD doesn't want to come here, ok. That doesn't mean we miss out on Whiteside; he would be taking cared of day 1.

Please if you found an article stating that Whiteside said he is leaving let me know, and please post it.

Lol. Good luck with that.

MagicBucsSox
06-27-2016, 09:24 PM
Durant and Whiteside could both end up in Miami it's not as impossible as some of you like to make it sound and we have the genius Andy crunching numbers.

Dude no one cares about Miami, Wade just wants to be a groupie to someone else's career to live off of again. LeBron leaving proved that Wade n Spoestra are overrated.

hugepatsfan
06-27-2016, 09:25 PM
I posted my KD pitch in our team forum so I thought I'd share here for everyone to rip it apart.


The Celtics can make a 3rd significant addition along with Durant Horford by doing a sign-and-trade with Sullinger.

Right now we have 9 players under contract for $33,971,630.

We also have cap holds for the 3 first rounders. Brown will obviously be over so add a cap hold of $3,818,900. Yabusele will be overseas so no need to worry about his cap hold. Zizic reportedly wants to come over so let's just say he does - add another cap hold of $1,112,900. Now our total salary commitment is $38,903,430 for 11 players.

We also need to keep Sullinger's cap hold of $5,673,150 on the books so we can S&T him later. That brings our total salary to $44,576,580 for 12 players.

Using a $94M cap, that gives us a total cap space of $49,423,420. Durant and Horford each have max contracts of $26.4M so to sign them both would take $52.8M. So we're short by $3,376,580.

If we salary dump James Young and Ante Zizic (or in the case of Zizic just convince him to stay overseas for a year) then that saves $2,938,100 of cap space. Now we're just short by about $400K. You'd hope you could convince Durant/Horford to take those microscopic paycuts. If not, you can salary dump RJ Hunter too.

***If you refer back, before salary dumps I had us at 12 players. There are cap holds to get up to 12 roster spots but we wouldn't have to worry about that. If we salary dump players though, those go back on the books. So dumping Young and dumping Zizic (or leaving overseas) would drop us to 10. However, for every player we sign we can get rid of one cap hold. Since Durant/Horford would take us back up to 12 roster spots we don't have to worry about that. If we also have to dump Hunter to free up the $400K needed to offer Durant and Horford true max deals, then we'd be at 9 so they only bring us up to 11. So add in one cap hold at the rookie minimum of $543,471. Hunter's salary is $1.2M so even factoring in the creation of that cap hold we still save the $400K needed but I'm just throwing that in for full disclosure.***

So anyway, whether Hunter is here or not - who really cares to be honest. Lets just say he is for sake of argument. Now we sign our 2nd rounders - Bentil and Jackson - to rookie minimum deals. That leaves the room exception in tact. The room exception would let us give them more money to sign and usually when you do that you get to structure the deals so you get 4 years of control like a 1st rounder before RFA. That's what we did with Mickey. But since we'd be giving the minimum we probably only get them for two years before RFA - oh well, who cares.

With the room exception in tact, you try to lure Amir Johnson back to add some rim protection or Jerebko for more shooting. Hopefully you could convince one to come back for that lower offer. Let's say Amir since he's made over $50M in his career and might be more willing to take less to be on a championship team.

So now we're left with...

IT/Smart/Rozier/Jackson
Bradley/Hunter
Durant/Crowder/Brown
Amir/Olynyk/Mickey/Bentil
Horford/***Sullinger***

***Now remember back to Sullinger, I only accounted for him at his cap hold. That lets us maintain his bird rights to go over the cap to sign him. So we could give him anything up to a max and fit him in. That means we can keep him for ourselves... OR we can ship him out in a S&T. NBA rules say that if your outgoing money in a trade is between $9.8M and $19.6M then you can take back the outgoing amount plus an extra $5M.***

My favorite FA to add would be Ryan Anderson, who I'm really growing fond of. He is a proven instant scorer off the bench which I think we need. Having him and Olynyk would really help open up the offense for the 2nd unit. Defensively, it's not great, but we had Jerebko in Anderson's PF spot for last year's 2nd unit. He does a good, solid job defensively but he's no monster on that end. And the perimeter defense would be terrific so we can live.

It may not necessarily be NO taking back Sullinger, but whether it's a 2 team trade with them or a 3 team deal with someone else getting Sullinger, we have assets to make it work. We'd have to throw NO (and the 3rd team getting Sullinger if that's the case) some of our non-BRK picks to get them to partake but it's worth it.

So now we have a first unit of...

IT
Bradley
Durant
Amir
Horford

This is last year's starting lineup except Crowder/Sullinger are replaced with Durant/Horford. I think we can all agree that's a huge upgrade in both spots.

Our 2nd unit is now...

Smart
Brown
Crowder
Anderson
Olynyk

Turner is gone which hurts the ball handling but two offensively gifted bigs does wonders to open up the floor. I know Jerebko could shoot but Anderson is another level of offensive ability compared to him. Stevens has talked about how he views wings as interchangeable so Brown/Crowder should be fine guarding SGs even though we have always in our depth charts listed them as SFs or PFs. That isn't an issue.

And then we have a third unit of...

Jackson
Rozier
Hunter
Bentil
Mickey

Some pretty good young talent there that I'd be happy to have fill in if there's an injury. If Hunter has to be traded so Durant/Horford don't have to take $400K pay cuts between them you use his 15th spot on a vet min guy - I'll say Perkins just because he's BFFs with Durant and has a track record here.




Does that sound pretty good or does that sound pretty good?

I think it's all 100% realistic except for Amir taking the room exception. I don't think BOS would have a hard time dumping James Young. I'm sure someone would take him on for some 2nd round picks. Definitely won't be hard to dump Zizic or Hunter if we have to. Sully will for sure get at least $10-12M from someone which lets us offer Anderson a year 1 salary of $15-17M. Factor in the raises each year and we should be able to sign him to a deal up to market value for him.

On Amir, he's made over $50M in his career. Hopefully he just wants to play on a winner and would take the $2.9M room exception to do so. He can take on year and then hit FA again next year with a higher cap.

So that team doesn't have the star power, but I think that's one hell of a rotation. The pieces IMO fit together terrifically and we have a great coach/system. Still room to get even better with the Nets picks as well, which is a nice little bonus to add more and more as Durant ages. I think it's a competitive pitch.

WaDe03
06-27-2016, 09:35 PM
Dude no one cares about Miami, Wade just wants to be a groupie to someone else's career to live off of again. LeBron leaving proved that Wade n Spoestra are overrated.

Hahaha you're dumb as **** if you think he's overrated if anything he's underrated and for sure under appreciated. The Magic are garbage always have been always will be.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-27-2016, 09:39 PM
Hahaha you're dumb as **** if you think he's overrated if anything he's underrated and for sure under appreciated. The Magic are garbage always have been always will be.

Damn, now I'm convinced about Wade's greatness.

JordansBulls
06-27-2016, 09:45 PM
Dude no one cares about Miami, Wade just wants to be a groupie to someone else's career to live off of again. LeBron leaving proved that Wade n Spoestra are overrated.
The same Wade that won before Lebron got there and he dominated in the finals and who would have 2 finals mvp's had Lebron showed up in the finals in 2011 just a little bit?

Dade County
06-27-2016, 09:48 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/hassan-whiteside-on-free-agency---i-really-don-t-think-it-s-about-loyalty-161820754.html

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2016/06/whiteside-others-to-test-rileys-success-getting-players-to-sign-for-less-um-fallout-dolphins.html

Tim ReynoldsVerified account
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My guess after those 6 minutes with Hassan: It's going to be hard for Miami to keep him.

So even though it's not definitive either way, there's a pretty good chance Whiteside's not in a Heat uniform next season.

Just the media trying to create drama, for clicks.

Whiteside said nothing wrong, he's a free agent. If he doesn't accept Riley deal on July 1st then we can talk about this.

There is nothing in both of these stories that leads me to believe he doesn't want to sign with Miami. Him and his agent are going to want things, Pat Riley is going to want to make a deal; and if both parties agree then we have a deal. if not Whiteside will be looking at other places.

Dade County
06-27-2016, 09:50 PM
Lol. Good luck with that.


Good luck with which part?

Whiteside agreeing to sign back with Miami?

Trading Dragic & McRob?

Wade signing back with the HEAT?

KD signing or not signing with Miami?

Dade County
06-27-2016, 09:53 PM
Dude no one cares about Miami, Wade just wants to be a groupie to someone else's career to live off of again. LeBron leaving proved that Wade n Spoestra are overrated.


KD going to the Magic! Or any key free agent you want.

Now this should make you happy, and stop your hate post.



Bless

BKLYNpigeon
06-27-2016, 09:55 PM
the only thing valuable on the Heat is Josh Richardson.

Whiteside is most Likely Gone.
Wade is older and can't seem to play with Dragic
Bosh's health most likely effect his status the rest of his career.

Gibby23
06-27-2016, 09:56 PM
Good luck with which part?

Whiteside agreeing to sign back with Miami?

Trading Dragic & McRob?

Wade signing back with the HEAT?

KD signing or not signing with Miami?

Your whole dream plan, no chance you get KD. I'll bet you $100 on that, we could pay through PayPal. I also think there is a good chance Whiteside leaves to, but I can see him coming back if Miami offers Max July 1, but they won't offer him max before they have their KD meeting. Most likely tell him to wait until after they talk to KD and I don't think he waits. Whiteside also knows that Bosh is probably close to done, Wade is almost washed, and they really don't have anyone else that enticing to play with. Riley should blow it up, and probably will be forced to after this offseason.