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alkalinesolo
05-10-2016, 12:02 PM
Better better than Wilt, better than Magic, better than Jordan...Steph Curry is the greatest basketball player who has ever lived.

mrblisterdundee
05-10-2016, 12:08 PM
Better better than Wilt, better than Magic, better than Jordan...Steph Curry is the greatest basketball player who has ever lived.

Give Stephen Curry another few years of dominance and a couple more championships, then start making this claim. You're a bit premature right now, although I can see Curry doing what he does into his late 30s.

KINGOFSPORTS
05-10-2016, 12:17 PM
:) lol

Some predicted this his rookie year

Tony_Starks
05-10-2016, 12:19 PM
Not Magic, Ever.

But maybe the rest....

Wade n Fade
05-10-2016, 12:22 PM
Can we like not do this? Jordan and Curry are two different players. Jordan is a more ferocious dunker to say the least. Steph is more finesse and ball handling with one of the best shots ever. Two different players. Can't compare.

mrblisterdundee
05-10-2016, 12:29 PM
Can we like not do this? Jordan and Curry are two different players. Jordan is a more ferocious dunker to say the least. Steph is more finesse and ball handling with one of the best shots ever. Two different players. Can't compare.

No two players are exactly the same, but you can compare them in terms of their success and impact on the game. If Curry keeps shooting like he does into his late 30s and wins a bunch of championships and MVP awards, he has a good chance of being seen as the best player in NBA history.
But like I told the OP, we need to see a few more years of dominance and at least a few more championships before the GOAT debate comes into play.

IBleedPurple
05-10-2016, 12:48 PM
Long ways away...and the Curry threads aren't exactly lacking around here.

Slug3
05-10-2016, 12:49 PM
No two players are exactly the same, but you can compare them in terms of their success and impact on the game. If Curry keeps shooting like he does into his late 30s and wins a bunch of championships and MVP awards, he has a good chance of being seen as the best player in NBA history.
But like I told the OP, we need to see a few more years of dominance and at least a few more championships before the GOAT debate comes into play.

Its still going to be hard. Lebron has done pretty good and looks like he will have a lot of records when he is done and people still do not want to even mention him as a possible GOAT. Some people just don't want to displace Jordan.

Big Zo
05-10-2016, 12:57 PM
Signature pubey facial hair > Signature bald head.

ClassyAshyLarry
05-10-2016, 12:59 PM
Nope..

KINGOFSPORTS
05-10-2016, 01:01 PM
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?511036-The-Best-Pg-24-and-Under/page4

PSD has some credibility issues...

WaDe03
05-10-2016, 01:08 PM
Hahahaha

Kaner
05-10-2016, 01:10 PM
He can be but alot of legacy building and health is holding him back he also might not be as complete of a two way player as Jordan but I also think he could end up a bit more dominate overall with his impact on offense. He still needs probably at the earliest end of next season before he's even a definite top 10 all-time although it's hard to miss how he stacks up with the best of them now and has the best potential in the league rn to take it from Jordan, or even just get into the discussion, both because of his skill and his teammates.

likemystylez
05-10-2016, 01:15 PM
Not Magic, Ever.

But maybe the rest....

what is it with people not taking defense into consideration. steph is an average or slightly above defensive player. magic was a horrendous defensive player.

I think offense is more important overall- but the guy should be a good defensive player to say hes the best basketball player ever

mrblisterdundee
05-10-2016, 01:15 PM
Its still going to be hard. Lebron has done pretty good and looks like he will have a lot of records when he is done and people still do not want to even mention him as a possible GOAT. Some people just don't want to displace Jordan.

It's tough, which is why I think it comes down to championships and MVP awards for Curry. But if Jordan was the harbinger of the ISO era, then Curry has heralded the new era of pace and space. James has been the transitional star with a foot in both eras, and adapting well to both.
But with his success based more on finesse and shooting than physicality, Curry likely has significantly more longevity than James, who while very adaptive and versatile, needs to improve his shooting to remain as relevant.

alkalinesolo
05-10-2016, 01:25 PM
Can we like not do this? Jordan and Curry are two different players. Jordan is a more ferocious dunker to say the least. Steph is more finesse and ball handling with one of the best shots ever. Two different players. Can't compare.

Well we can't exactly compare Wilt and Magic to Jordan either, yet we do and we say that Jordan is the best ever...until now.

KINGOFSPORTS
05-10-2016, 01:32 PM
lol

mrblisterdundee
05-10-2016, 01:34 PM
Well we can't exactly compare Wilt and Magic to Jordan either, yet we do and we say that Jordan is the best ever...until now.

No; Jordan is still the GOAT as of now. You're comparing a player with likely two championships and two MVPs to a six-time champion and five-time MVP. Curry has a good chance to supplant Jordan, but not this early in his career. For all we know, he could have a bunch of injury issues and fall off. It's happened to plenty of really good players. If Jordan wasn't healthy, he would not have become the GOAT. Let's revisit this when Curry's in his early to mid-30s.

Scoots
05-10-2016, 01:35 PM
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?511036-the-best-pg-24-and-under/page4

psd has some credibility issues...

lol

DboneG
05-10-2016, 01:38 PM
STOP IT!! NO!!! He's now where near the greatest player of all-time! This guy is an
amazing shooter. That's it. Curry needs only a twinkle of daylight to get his shot off...and range like you wouldn't believe. If he stop playing right now, he's in the HOF. But, the greatest of all-time... NO!

1.) He's lacking the defensive prowess to be considered the greatest. Basketball is 50% offense and 50% defense. What's he doing the other 50% of the time on defense?! He don't have what you consider lock down defense. His defense is ok/good.

2.) Curry don't give out enough assists. Considering the amount of time he has the ball in his hands. Draymond Green has more! Why?! Tiny Archibald averaged 34.0 points and 11.4 assists for the Kansas City-Omaha Kings in the 1972-73 season. So, don't say he can't dish out more assists.

3.) Steph don't have a complete game offensively. He can't post. (OH you say he don't need to post) There's like 15 shorter guards he could exploit if needed. He's not good at it. Period. His moves to the basket are ok/good. He's not great here either. Why? He's not a physical player and he don't have a good vertical jump. He'll never improve in these areas, so his offensive prowess will never be close to that of Westbrook/Iverson/Wall/Wade going to the basket.

4.) Curry is slight, small and wiry, he's not the best leaper and there are point guards who could beat him in a foot race. Shooting is his equalizer. He pulls up from 30 feet instead. That's why Delli from the Cavs and Beverley from the Rockets give him a hard time. They get physical with him.

alkalinesolo
05-10-2016, 01:42 PM
No; Jordan is still the GOAT as of now. You're comparing a player with likely two championships and two MVPs to a six-time champion and five-time MVP. Curry has a good chance to supplant Jordan, but not this early in his career. For all we know, he could have a bunch of injury issues and fall off. It's happened to plenty of really good players. If Jordan wasn't healthy, he would not have become the GOAT. Let's revisit this when Curry's in his early to mid-30s.


You're right, Steph is missing the championships. But he'll get there. If you said this about Jordan when he was 27 people would have said "woah there hold on a minute, lets see what he does for the rest of his career" and they'd be right, but so would the people who said Jordan is the best ever. Same situation here.

ewing
05-10-2016, 01:48 PM
Gotta go with Porzingis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slug3
05-10-2016, 02:00 PM
It's tough, which is why I think it comes down to championships and MVP awards for Curry. But if Jordan was the harbinger of the ISO era, then Curry has heralded the new era of pace and space. James has been the transitional star with a foot in both eras, and adapting well to both.
But with his success based more on finesse and shooting than physicality, Curry likely has significantly more longevity than James, who while very adaptive and versatile, needs to improve his shooting to remain as relevant.

The crazy thing is just a few years ago Curry looked like he was never going to get to his full potential and was always dealing with ankle injuries. But looks like he was able to get his body right as well and here we are now. I still remember how bad the Knicks wanted him.

MagicBucsSox
05-10-2016, 02:09 PM
Dude been relevant 2years

Sportsguy9695
05-10-2016, 02:09 PM
Better better than Wilt, better than Magic, better than Jordan...Steph Curry is the greatest basketball player who has ever lived.

I think your a little pre mature in saying that. I remember when Lebron first came into the league people were saying he was the best. Wait and see if he can dominate the league like he did this year the next few years as teams and players get to know his tendencies

mrblisterdundee
05-10-2016, 02:28 PM
STOP IT!! NO!!! He's now where near the greatest player of all-time! This guy is an an
amazing shooter. That's it. Curry needs only a twinkle of daylight to get his shot off...and range like you wouldn't believe. If he stop playing right now, he's in the HOF. But, the greatest of all-time... NO!

1.) He's lacking the defensive prowess to be considered the greatest.
2.) Curry don't give out enough assists.
3.) Steph don't have a complete game offensively ... He can't post ... He'll never improve in these areas, so his offensive prowess will never be close to that of Westbrook/Iverson/Wall/Wade going to the basket.
4.) Curry is slight, small and wiry, he's not the best leaper and there are point guards who could beat him in a foot race. Shooting is his equalizer.

1. You make a good point about defense, but championships and MVP awards will determine Curry's fate in the GOAT race. He makes a lot of tough shots against the league's best defenders.
2. In the 1972-73 season, Tiny Archibald played 12 more minutes per game on a thin team that couldn't even make the playoffs. He had to score and assist more. Curry still had nearly twice as many win shares and a higher PER.
3. He might not be able to post, but Curry is a master at scoring in the paint. He leads all guards in restricted area shooting, and compares favorably paint shooting to guys like LeBron James. Westbrook has athleticism, but he's a chucker compared to Curry — so is Wade.
4. Every body has its disadvantages. Curry's size obviously hasn't stopped him from dominating the league.

WaDe03
05-10-2016, 02:29 PM
LeBron right now is still better than Curry. I can't think of anything Curry is better than LeBron at other than shooting.

WaDe03
05-10-2016, 02:31 PM
1. You make a good point about defense, but championships and MVP awards will determine Curry's fate in the GOAT race. He makes a lot of tough shots against the league's best defenders.
2. In the 1972-73 season, Tiny Archibald played 12 more minutes per game on a thin team that couldn't even make the playoffs. He had to score and assist more. Curry still had nearly twice as many win shares and a higher PER.
3. He might not be able to post, but Curry is a master at scoring in the paint. He leads all guards in restricted area shooting, and compares favorably paint shooting to guys like LeBron James. Westbrook has athleticism, but he's a chucker compared to Curry — so is Wade.
4. Every body has its disadvantages. Curry's size obviously hasn't stopped him from dominating the league.

Wade is a chucker? Since when? Aren't chuckers considered player who shoot a ton at a low percentage. Wade is a 49% shoot for his career and one of the most efficient players of all time.

numba1CHANGsta
05-10-2016, 02:31 PM
Just a couple of years ago people said that about LeBron Lol the case for who is the greatest NBA player of all time will always change almost every decade or half decade.

Scoots
05-10-2016, 02:47 PM
STOP IT!! NO!!! He's now where near the greatest player of all-time! This guy is an
amazing shooter. That's it. Curry needs only a twinkle of daylight to get his shot off...and range like you wouldn't believe. If he stop playing right now, he's in the HOF. But, the greatest of all-time... NO!

1.) He's lacking the defensive prowess to be considered the greatest. Basketball is 50% offense and 50% defense. What's he doing the other 50% of the time on defense?! He don't have what you consider lock down defense. His defense is ok/good.

2.) Curry don't give out enough assists. Considering the amount of time he has the ball in his hands. Draymond Green has more! Why?! Tiny Archibald averaged 34.0 points and 11.4 assists for the Kansas City-Omaha Kings in the 1972-73 season. So, don't say he can't dish out more assists.

3.) Steph don't have a complete game offensively. He can't post. (OH you say he don't need to post) There's like 15 shorter guards he could exploit if needed. He's not good at it. Period. His moves to the basket are ok/good. He's not great here either. Why? He's not a physical player and he don't have a good vertical jump. He'll never improve in these areas, so his offensive prowess will never be close to that of Westbrook/Iverson/Wall/Wade going to the basket.

4.) Curry is slight, small and wiry, he's not the best leaper and there are point guards who could beat him in a foot race. Shooting is his equalizer. He pulls up from 30 feet instead. That's why Delli from the Cavs and Beverley from the Rockets give him a hard time. They get physical with him.

I don't think he's the greatest but:

1. Curry's D is massively under-rated. He's very good at D, particularly team D, he just isn't explosive so it doesn't look like it.
2. Curry lead the NBA in hockey assists. The system more evenly distributes the assists.
3. Curry is one of the best scorers at the rim in the NBA in efficiency. He doesn't have a post game ... Wilt didn't have range, and Jordan's 3 point shot was terrible. Nobody's perfect.
4. Since when is skill judged by size and athleticism? Or is your point that anybody that can be defended can't be on the all-time list? Because every team going against the Warriors this year had as numbers 1, 2, and 3 ion their defensive to-do list stopping Curry and he just averaged 30 points a game so I guess he's not that easy to stop.

ManRam
05-10-2016, 02:50 PM
Better better than Wilt, better than Magic, better than Jordan...Steph Curry is the greatest basketball player who has ever lived.

care to back this claim up with anything of substance...or really just anything?


dude's great. but the burden of proof is 150,000% on you to tell us why you're right and the common belief isn't. and that, at least right now, seems like a difficult task to do.

alkalinesolo
05-10-2016, 02:57 PM
care to back this claim up with anything of substance...or really just anything?


dude's great. but the burden of proof is 150,000% on you to tell us why you're right and the common belief isn't. and that, at least right now, seems like a difficult task to do.

It's impossible for me to prove it until he gets more championships, but mark my words: he is the greatest and that will be proven by the end of his career by his championships, awards, stats, and overall number of "wow" moments.

Like I said before. If you said the same thing about Jordan when he was 27 you'd also have no way of "proving" it (to the extend that you can "prove" something as subjective as this anyway), but you'd have been right.

Tony_Starks
05-10-2016, 03:12 PM
what is it with people not taking defense into consideration. steph is an average or slightly above defensive player. magic was a horrendous defensive player.

I think offense is more important overall- but the guy should be a good defensive player to say hes the best basketball player ever

Magic wasn't a horrendous defensive player. He was average one on one defender and a GREAT team defender. He led the league in steals twice, those Showtime fast breaks weren't happening by accident. Add to that the versatility to literally defend 1-5 I'd say he was far from a defensive liability as people like to retroactively claim. In other words, he was no Steve Nash.

Steph is no Steve Nash either. He's a adequate defender, it's not like he gets abused on that end.

If he was just really good offensively I'd agree with your overall point but with him being historically great and basically a video game we are in a unique situation here...

HandsOnTheWheel
05-10-2016, 03:16 PM
1. You make a good point about defense, but championships and MVP awards will determine Curry's fate in the GOAT race. He makes a lot of tough shots against the league's best defenders.
2. In the 1972-73 season, Tiny Archibald played 12 more minutes per game on a thin team that couldn't even make the playoffs. He had to score and assist more. Curry still had nearly twice as many win shares and a higher PER.
3. He might not be able to post, but Curry is a master at scoring in the paint. He leads all guards in restricted area shooting, and compares favorably paint shooting to guys like LeBron James. Westbrook has athleticism, but he's a chucker compared to Curry — so is Wade.
4. Every body has its disadvantages. Curry's size obviously hasn't stopped him from dominating the league.

Lol. Clearly you haven't watched many Heat games over the years.

JWO35
05-10-2016, 03:25 PM
What makes someone the GOAT? Is it championships? MVPs? Overall skills? Dominance among his peers?


A case can be made that Curry is one of the most skilled players to ever play in the NBA...his shooting is truly unmatched IMO. But does that alone cement him as the GOAT? He doesn't have the accomplishments compared to the other greats. The way Curry is trending a case can be made that if he continues his level of play he can be in the conversation as one of the greatest of all time. IMO right now is too early.

PhillyFaninLA
05-10-2016, 03:26 PM
Most unbias topic of all time

Scoots
05-10-2016, 03:35 PM
Most unbias topic of all time

Does anybody think this topic is NOT way early?

mrblisterdundee
05-10-2016, 03:44 PM
Lol. Clearly you haven't watched many Heat games over the years.

Ok; Wade doesn't take a ton of bad shots like a traditional chucker. I guess it would be better to say that he just sucks really bad at shooting, exemplified by the 16 percent from three he shot this season, and the mini-special the announcing crew did last game when he finally drilled a three against Toronto.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-10-2016, 04:35 PM
No idea how you define traditional chucker but he literally shoots a higher career FG % percentage than KD and is only about 1% behind Lebron and MJ in career FG %. It's not as if Wade hasn't taken a lot of 3s in his career too.

smith&wesson
05-10-2016, 04:43 PM
Better better than Wilt, better than Magic, better than Jordan...Steph Curry is the greatest basketball player who has ever lived.

which explains why his team can still win with out him ? lol

I agree he has a chance to be up there with the elite but to say he is the greatest after one title run... nah, there is still a lot of work to do before he can make that claim.

smith&wesson
05-10-2016, 04:47 PM
It's impossible for me to prove it until he gets more championships, but mark my words: he is the greatest and that will be proven by the end of his career by his championships, awards, stats, and overall number of "wow" moments.

Like I said before. If you said the same thing about Jordan when he was 27 you'd also have no way of "proving" it (to the extend that you can "prove" something as subjective as this anyway), but you'd have been right.

But you're jumping the gun. He still has a lot to prove before he can claim being the goat. Drayman and Klay have a lot to do with the success on of that team. Look at how they are winning with out him... doesn't that make you wonder just a little bit ? I don't recall the Bulls being just as good with out Jordan.

KnicksorBust
05-10-2016, 05:01 PM
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?511036-The-Best-Pg-24-and-Under/page4

PSD has some credibility issues...

Spent my 20 minute work break reading that thread. That is how I will always remember PraiseJesus..as a genius and a savant.

KINGOFSPORTS
05-10-2016, 05:07 PM
spent my 20 minute work break reading that thread. That is how i will always remember praisejesus..as a genius and a savant.

rip

WaDe03
05-10-2016, 05:23 PM
Ok; Wade doesn't take a ton of bad shots like a traditional chucker. I guess it would be better to say that he just sucks really bad at shooting, exemplified by the 16 percent from three he shot this season, and the mini-special the announcing crew did last game when he finally drilled a three against Toronto.

But he didn't even take 1 3 per game lol. And a lot of his 3s were shots he took at the end of a quarter from half court or at the end of the shot clock in bad situations. I'm not sure you know what a chucker is based on your reasoning.

Crackadalic
05-10-2016, 05:36 PM
Can't we just enjoy how good this kid is these last two years. Idk if he will be the greatest ever but I'm rooting for him to get there.

lol, please
05-10-2016, 05:36 PM
Better better than Wilt, better than Magic, better than Jordan...Steph Curry is the greatest basketball player who has ever lived.

I don't rank him about Jordan just yet, and I think he has more to do to be ranked higher than Bird, Wilt, and maybe even SHAQ, but I would be very surprised if he wasn't in the top 2 convo when it's all said and done.

Curry is a special player, and a special shooter, and a quality guy basketball aside, but longevity matters.

DboneG
05-10-2016, 05:45 PM
[QUOTE=JWO35;30911932]What makes someone the GOAT? Is it championships? MVPs? Overall skills? Dominance among his peers?



That's why IMO...there's no greatest basketball player of all-time. Bill Russell? This guy didn't do nothing but win. One of the greatest defenders ever. But, when I read posts here guys always talk about MJ winning six championships. Like that's the STANDARD. It's not. Bill Russell is the standard when it comes to winning championships. What's his case for being the greatest? VERY GOOD! Hey, he can't help it he was born when he was born. Bill kicked butt in college, it took a Dream Team to supplant what Russell captain of the 1956 Olympic team did to the other teams. Then, he went to the Pros and just won.

I can make a case for Dr. J. Yes! Dr. J...he held it down in two leagues, We never saw his best ball(in his early 20's, when he was in his most creative stage) which was in the ABA. Add his points from the ABA and the NBA together. He was MVP in two different leagues. He won titles in two different leagues. The Dr. J was a revolutionary.

I can make a good case for Kareem, M.J., Wilt, and soon LeBron (After he win a championship this year, and add to his stat line a bit more). He may be in the top 20 in all major stat lines.


There's no greatest basketball player of all-time.

Cruzin
05-10-2016, 06:38 PM
Best of the generation: yes. We can say that already. He's put LeBron's and Kobe's dominance to shame already. Too soon for greatest ever talk, yet, since he's still so far off Jordan.

Jamiecballer
05-10-2016, 06:41 PM
This thread is a joke at this point

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More-Than-Most
05-10-2016, 07:25 PM
FML here we go.... Curry is another one that has had to deal with 0 hate or pressure that was gifted an insane amount of talent around him like Durant.... About 3 plus more years at a level a little under this and 5-7 years of a top 5 player in the game and then we can talk.

Avenged
05-10-2016, 08:06 PM
Tredigs probably thinks so lol :D

And to be honest CLEARLY hes not now, but I'm rooting for him to be when it's all said and done.

giantspwn
05-10-2016, 09:00 PM
FML here we go.... Curry is another one that has had to deal with 0 hate or pressure that was gifted an insane amount of talent around him like Durant.... About 3 plus more years at a level a little under this and 5-7 years of a top 5 player in the game and then we can talk.

The conversation starts when you have arguably one of the greatest statistical seasons ever and back to back MVP's. I don't get why some people are so smug about this kind of stuff, pull the stick from your butt and acknowledge greatness dude.

0 pressure? 0 hate?

The Warriors are doing all of this after 67 wins and a championship. I didn't know that didn't add pressure this year. Do you even follow social media? Ever since Curry's elevated to super star status, national media has jumped at opportunities write his game off. Prior to this season, he was an average ball handler and horrible defender. There's plenty of hate, he's just better at proving the doubters wrong. Lebron is the perfect example of this and why it makes Curry so unique.

Also, how much pressure does Durant really have in Oklahoma? The whole state would kiss his feet even if they lose out this round. OKC definitely has talent especially when it's another MVP candidate on the team. As great as Draymond and Klay are neither command a double team like Westbrook or Durant do.

This is literally the only sad argument left to bash Curry's status. The Warriors are just to good.

giantspwn
05-10-2016, 09:03 PM
I still doubt he gets GOAT title. He's possibly had the greatest individual season ever but to compare the longevity of Wilt, James, Jordan and Magic makes it unlikely.

WaDe03
05-10-2016, 09:38 PM
Is Steph currently better than LeBron? If you say yes, how?

Scoots
05-10-2016, 10:31 PM
If Steph has 2 more MVP seasons like this one (and 2 more titles) and retires he's in the discussion.

LA_Raiders
05-10-2016, 10:35 PM
Lol. 4 more ships and we will talk....

Scoots
05-10-2016, 10:43 PM
Lol. 4 more ships and we will talk....

Is that in response to my post? If Curry has 4 straight titles and 3 top 10 all time seasons in a row ... he would be in the discussion.

But it's not at all likely that happens.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-10-2016, 10:44 PM
If Steph has 2 more MVP seasons like this one (and 2 more titles) and retires he's in the discussion.

Discussion for GOAT?

GodsSon
05-10-2016, 10:54 PM
lol two NBA seasons make a career now.

When the Cavs/LeBron win it all this year, people are going to be too salty.

Scoots
05-10-2016, 11:13 PM
Discussion for GOAT?

Sure. If you have 4 titles in a row and 4 MVPs in a row and 3 of the seasons are top 10 seasons all time? Yeah, that's enough to be in the discussion. If you are honest with yourself anybody who does that gets their name brought up in those discussions. Curry would have the same number of MVPs as LeBron and more titles.

I'm not saying he IS the best ... for me it's MJ and it will take a LOT for someone to top him ... but 4 MVP, 4 Titles, 3 Scoring titles, 3 of the best seasons ever, a whole raft of NBA records ... yeah, that's enough to get him into the conversation.

Considering that we are NOW having the conversation about Curry, if he does this 2 more times he'll be in the conversation automatically.

CHANGO
05-10-2016, 11:28 PM
EHHH! ok thanks for your opinion.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-10-2016, 11:32 PM
Sure. If you have 4 titles in a row and 4 MVPs in a row and 3 of the seasons are top 10 seasons all time? Yeah, that's enough to be in the discussion. If you are honest with yourself anybody who does that gets their name brought up in those discussions. Curry would have the same number of MVPs as LeBron and more titles.

I'm not saying he IS the best ... for me it's MJ and it will take a LOT for someone to top him ... but 4 MVP, 4 Titles, 3 Scoring titles, 3 of the best seasons ever, a whole raft of NBA records ... yeah, that's enough to get him into the conversation.

Considering that we are NOW having the conversation about Curry, if he does this 2 more times he'll be in the conversation automatically.
The Warriors haven't won the title this year like you seem to be operating under the assumption of.

Even assuming the Warriors do win this year, and hypothetically they win the next 2 years following, there's no guarantee that Curry gets FMVPs in each series. How bad would 1 or 2 FMVPs with 4 titles look on a legacy for any discussion involving GOAT? Also most of those records your talking about being broken are 3 point records.

We're having this discussion because a troll got excited at the fact that Curry racked up a few accolades adding to his very minimal resume so far.

What Curry and the Warriors did is remarkable and will probably never be replicated again, but to say that he is even worth discussing in MJ's ilk after 4 titles and 4 MVPs/3 scoring titles alone is absurd.

DillyDill
05-11-2016, 12:21 AM
Even as lake I will admit Curry will surpass Magic as GOAT PG

europagnpilgrim
05-11-2016, 12:38 AM
The Big Dipper is the most dominant solo act all time and its not even close, which makes him the 'best' all time, from HS to NCAA to NBA with maybe two or three other players in his rearview for honorable mention

The Big Dipper would have averaged a triple double for his entire career had blocks been counted, which on that note I am counting them since he would get 25 blocks in many games

and its not even close who you would draft with the number one pick out of all the players past and present to build a team around, not even close

HandsOnTheWheel
05-11-2016, 12:48 AM
Dominance amongst players from 50-60 years ago does not equate to "best" of all time.

Scoots
05-11-2016, 01:31 AM
The Warriors haven't won the title this year like you seem to be operating under the assumption of.

Even assuming the Warriors do win this year, and hypothetically they win the next 2 years following, there's no guarantee that Curry gets FMVPs in each series. How bad would 1 or 2 FMVPs with 4 titles look on a legacy for any discussion involving GOAT? Also most of those records your talking about being broken are 3 point records.

We're having this discussion because a troll got excited at the fact that Curry racked up a few accolades adding to his very minimal resume so far.

What Curry and the Warriors did is remarkable and will probably never be replicated again, but to say that he is even worth discussing in MJ's ilk after 4 titles and 4 MVPs/3 scoring titles alone is absurd.

It was a hypothetical. I also said it wasn't likely.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-11-2016, 01:48 AM
It was a hypothetical. I also said it wasn't likely.
It's not something that's entirely unlikely, just very outlandish reasoning behind threads like these.

nyballa1991
05-11-2016, 01:58 AM
Curry is great but not a chance. He's only played at this level for a few seasons. And just as a sidenote, he will never be anywhere near Jordan on the defensive side of the ball, which is essential if you want to be considered the GOAT.

Phantom Dreamer
05-11-2016, 02:00 AM
Can we see if he completes Game 5 vs the Blazers uninjured first?

IKnowHoops
05-11-2016, 02:04 AM
Not Magic, Ever.

But maybe the rest....

Homer say what

Saddletramp
05-11-2016, 02:46 AM
Of all time? Geez......... He was a good-great player, then got a coach that implemented a system that focused his abilities all the while surrounding him with a stacked team because he couldn't lead his team to a great record for a few years (including a gem in the rough with Draymond) and he has the pleasure of playing in the "The Better the Offense, the Better the Ratings So Let's Alter the Rules" era.


Look, he's great right now and no one can argue his success these past few years. But let's be honest, if he was traded to the Bucks instead of Ellis or if he was traded to the Nuggets two years ago, would he be in the GOAT discussion today in this forum?

nastynice
05-11-2016, 05:30 AM
LeBron right now is still better than Curry. I can't think of anything Curry is better than LeBron at other than shooting.

Umm, handles, vision/passing, off the ball movement, drawing double/triple teams, defensive rotations...I agree that lebron is the better player, but curry is only better at shooting? lol, cmon man!!

Sportsguy9695
05-11-2016, 06:44 AM
Even as lake I will admit Curry will surpass Magic as GOAT PG

I would say its a little early to say that. lets see if he can keep his stats up for a few more years

ghettosean
05-11-2016, 07:00 AM
These kind of threads make me laugh... Curry is definitely the best shooter I've ever seen EVER... but to say he's better than Jordan is insane... LOL. Even with a few championships I still wouldn't say that... People just don't remember (or just don't know because they are too young) players were basically able to hold Jordan back in those days because the game was more physical because of the hand checking rules. In today's game if you have bad breath and your guarding a wing player like James Harden it's a foul.

If Jordan was in the league today he'd average over 40 points a game easy and people can talk about the zone and all the new defensive schemes all they want but MJ was one of the best ball handlers of all time and if you add the fact that no one would be able to touch him I don't see how he could be stopped. That's on the offensive end if you want to talk about him on the defensive end compared to Curry I'm sorry it's just no contest regardless of the era they are playing in.

Too add though I think Curry will go down as the greatest PG of all time but I question if you bring him back to Magic's era is he better than Magic??? I'm just posing the question.... There's no way I can say "Yes without a doubt" for all those's saying for sure he's better than Magic but if you feel that way make a case for it cause I just can't say that.

Vinylman
05-11-2016, 08:32 AM
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?511036-The-Best-Pg-24-and-Under/page4

PSD has some credibility issues...

way to out yourself Praise Jesus dupe... but hey .......... all of us in the Laker forum know your drivel by now...

Lets see if the PSD Mods have the balls to ban you

slyone_nyc
05-11-2016, 09:06 AM
Better better than Wilt, better than Magic, better than Jordan...Steph Curry is the greatest basketball player who has ever lived.
Not sure if you've seen M.J play, or who he played against... Your statement is ludicrous and premature, lol, streph dominant for 2 years and he's the greatest??? Do your homework before making outrageous statements. If M.J didn't retire for the years the rockets won there 2 championships, he would've won 8 championships in a ROW. M.J was dominant well over a decade.
He averaged 37 ppg in 86-87 and 35 ppg the following season taking 2s and free throws. Amassing about 9 30+ ppg seasons while being arguably the best perimeter defender in the league, im not or wasn't a Jordan fan, i actually hated him, but there's a reason he revered as the G.O.A.T. Curry has a lot of work to do before you can make a claim like this, maybe win his 2nd championship first, smh. 17 points in O.T makes you the greatest in the Internet era. Lets also keep in mind the rules, physical play and mind set of players back then, surely it's a huge difference and a factor in this argument.

joedaheights
05-11-2016, 10:57 AM
Give Stephen Curry another few years of dominance and a couple more championships, then start making this claim. You're a bit premature right now, although I can see Curry doing what he does into his late 30s.

If he wins this year and gets a "couple more championships," that would be four..

Jordan 6
Curry 4

And before someone jumps in with "well, by that rationale, Russell has 11 so…" Russell was not an offensively dominating player, averaging only 14 PPG on 44% FG. MJ was the greatest combination of winning and statistical dominance while winning who has ever lived.

But I'm glad this guys said it… because all I hope for is that he doesn't turn into "smalkaline" or "Imnotalkaline" in a few years like so many Kobe and Lebron fans did when the test of time ripped their claims a new a-hole.

joedaheights
05-11-2016, 10:59 AM
Not Magic, Ever.

But maybe the rest....

Magic after game 4 of the 91 Finals:

"You know, I can't even get mad. Cause they're just giving us a good ole fashioned butt kicking."

Jamiecballer
05-11-2016, 11:09 AM
I will echo the earlier sentiments that Curry is easily the greatest shooter the league has ever seen but has a long way to go to be considered in the upper upper echelon of the game. too early and a lot will depend on where his D ends up ultimately. and i don't mean his dick lol

joedaheights
05-11-2016, 11:15 AM
Can we like not do this? Jordan and Curry are two different players. Jordan is a more ferocious dunker to say the least. Steph is more finesse and ball handling with one of the best shots ever. Two different players. Can't compare.

I used to feel this way, but the fact is, the league grows and thrives because of the "who is the best" argument more than any other league.

These talks always will go on and always should, but here's the thing..

Modernists, those who like "today's guy" in any era, don't realize that there is a lot of artificial "support" being pumped in from one group… the corporate elite.

Say you're one of the many companies that makes more money if Curry is considered better. You know that you will never make as much money off of show sales or gear sales or views or whatever if people are walking around saying, "you know, based on objective evidence, I think Larry Bird is better than the best player today." Larry Bird can't sell sneakers today.

And that's why, during Kobe's career, all he needed to do was be on fire for a few playoff games and ESPN would put someone on air with an "edgy claim" to "push the envelope" on whether he was better than Jordan.

Hawkeye15
05-11-2016, 11:39 AM
Curry will probably go down as one of the best offensive players in history, but the absolute difference in defense with MJ kills his case to ever get to that level.

We also need to keep in mind, by Curry's age, LeBron had twice as many MVP's, Jabbar had 3, etc.

I think Curry will land in the top 15 for sure. But I also don't see him climbing into the top 5 all time either. Later start, and his defense, while not Nash-like, isn't anything to write home about.

YAALREADYKNO
05-11-2016, 11:49 AM
Like what Kenny and Charles said to Dwight Howard last night on inside the NBA when he asked if curry is better on offense than Jordan was. Hell naw, Jordan was averaging 37 in an era where you could grab him.

Hawkeye15
05-11-2016, 12:09 PM
Like what Kenny and Charles said to Dwight Howard last night on inside the NBA when he asked if curry is better on offense than Jordan was. Hell naw, Jordan was averaging 37 in an era where you could grab him.

also in an era that didn't allow zone at all. Perimeter players would LOVE the hand checking to come back if it meant taking away zone.

Not to say Jordan isn't better, he is, but their reason is b.s.

Wrigheyes4MVP
05-11-2016, 12:33 PM
MJ did it much longer

alkalinesolo
05-11-2016, 01:09 PM
But you're jumping the gun. He still has a lot to prove before he can claim being the goat. Drayman and Klay have a lot to do with the success on of that team. Look at how they are winning with out him... doesn't that make you wonder just a little bit ? I don't recall the Bulls being just as good with out Jordan.

The Bulls won 55 games without Jordan, and all of the 'greatest' players in any sport are surrounded by fantastic players. If you put Jordan on the Clippers then he doesn't win 6 titles. If you take Bill Russell of the Celtics then he doesn't win all those titles.

I don't really buy that argument.

ghettosean
05-11-2016, 01:15 PM
Curry will probably go down as one of the best offensive players in history, but the absolute difference in defense with MJ kills his case to ever get to that level.

We also need to keep in mind, by Curry's age, LeBron had twice as many MVP's, Jabbar had 3, etc.

I think Curry will land in the top 15 for sure. But I also don't see him climbing into the top 5 all time either. Later start, and his defense, while not Nash-like, isn't anything to write home about.

Doesn't matter what age non of these guys ever got a unanimous MVP... This shows how much more dominant he was than some of the players were when they won those particular years.

Lebron was also drafted at age 19 vs KAJ was drafted at age 22 vs Curry at age 21

These factors need to be taken into account with what you said above.

Hawkeye15
05-11-2016, 01:18 PM
Doesn't matter what age non of these guys ever got a unanimous MVP... This shows how much more dominant he was than some of the players were when they won those particular years.

Lebron was also drafted at age 19 vs KAJ was drafted at age 22 vs Curry at age 21

These factors need to be taken into account with what you said above.

no, it shows he was unanimous. It's a vote, with opinions..

Curry is an offensive wrecking machine, but his defense will forever keep him out of GOAT discussion for me.

ghettosean
05-11-2016, 01:23 PM
no, it shows he was unanimous. It's a vote, with opinions..

Curry is an offensive wrecking machine, but his defense will forever keep him out of GOAT discussion for me.

Being greatest of all time in my opinion doesn't mean that you have to be great at everything but if the level of dominance completely crushes another player on one end of the floor and you are lets say good enough on another I would take the more dominant player 10 times out of 10 when ranking GOAT.

Just my opinion but as I said earlier I think Jordan would average 40 points minimum in today's game so there really aren't any questions here for me as to who is the GOAT time at the moment based on that.

edit....

My initial response was in regards to you pointing out how many more MVP's Lebron and KAJ had at this age and my point is they came into the league at different times so what you mentioned doesn't hold much weight to me that discussion.

Scoots
05-11-2016, 01:54 PM
no, it shows he was unanimous. It's a vote, with opinions..

Curry is an offensive wrecking machine, but his defense will forever keep him out of GOAT discussion for me.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but which starting all-star level PGs play better D than Curry? (the all-star part is to leave out guys who are just defensive specialists) It's not a very long list. CP3 is certainly there, but he's grabbing more and more and one of these days the refs are going to start calling him on it.

Hawkeye15
05-11-2016, 01:59 PM
I'm not saying you are wrong, but which starting all-star level PGs play better D than Curry? (the all-star part is to leave out guys who are just defensive specialists) It's not a very long list. CP3 is certainly there, but he's grabbing more and more and one of these days the refs are going to start calling him on it.

Paul
Rubio
Lowry
Conley

all for sure much better defenders than Curry

I am only saying, Curry won't be an all defensive guy, like Jordan was, Duncan was, etc.

Hawkeye15
05-11-2016, 02:01 PM
Being greatest of all time in my opinion doesn't mean that you have to be great at everything but if the level of dominance completely crushes another player on one end of the floor and you are lets say good enough on another I would take the more dominant player 10 times out of 10 when ranking GOAT.

Right, me too. I don't think Curry impacts the game as much as Jordan did, overall



Just my opinion but as I said earlier I think Jordan would average 40 points minimum in today's game so there really aren't any questions here for me as to who is the GOAT time at the moment based on that.

meh, different discussion all together. Jordan would hate zone


edit....

My initial response was in regards to you pointing out how many more MVP's Lebron and KAJ had at this age and my point is they came into the league at different times so what you mentioned doesn't hold much weight to me that discussion.

sure it does. Curry is on more limited time to make up ground in the GOAT discussion, because he didn't throw his hat into the ring until he was 26, and over history, there have been players winning huge awards well before that age. It does matter..

ghettosean
05-11-2016, 02:14 PM
Being greatest of all time in my opinion doesn't mean that you have to be great at everything but if the level of dominance completely crushes another player on one end of the floor and you are lets say good enough on another I would take the more dominant player 10 times out of 10 when ranking GOAT.

Right, me too. I don't think Curry impacts the game as much as Jordan did, overall



Just my opinion but as I said earlier I think Jordan would average 40 points minimum in today's game so there really aren't any questions here for me as to who is the GOAT time at the moment based on that.

meh, different discussion all together. Jordan would hate zone


edit....

My initial response was in regards to you pointing out how many more MVP's Lebron and KAJ had at this age and my point is they came into the league at different times so what you mentioned doesn't hold much weight to me that discussion.

sure it does. Curry is on more limited time to make up ground in the GOAT discussion, because he didn't throw his hat into the ring until he was 26, and over history, there have been players winning huge awards well before that age. It does matter..

I disagree on the Jordan point but also in you last response the way you phrased it matters... Curry came into the league at a different age to when Lebron and KAJ did so when saying "at this age" these other 2 players had this many awards completely matters.

Something better would be comparing the # of years they were in the league before they received these awards... That would be more apples to apples when comparing careers especially at particular time frames when awards were won.

Hawkeye15
05-11-2016, 02:19 PM
ghettosean;30913806]I disagree on the Jordan point but also in you last response the way you phrased it matters... Curry came into the league at a different age to when Lebron and KAJ did so when saying "at this age" these other 2 players had this many awards completely matters.

[B]Something better would be comparing the # of years they were in the league before they received these awards... That would be more apples to apples when comparing careers especially at particular time frames when awards were won.

true, and also factoring in what makes their game special. Meaning, Curry will probably be awesome into his 30's, because shooting doesn't disappear. Sure losing his quicks will hurt him some, but when you depend on more physical ability, you tend to age worse.

And really, age is just a number. Miles on those knees matter more, unless you are like a 29 year old rookie or something

Vinylman
05-11-2016, 02:35 PM
I disagree on the Jordan point but also in you last response the way you phrased it matters... Curry came into the league at a different age to when Lebron and KAJ did so when saying "at this age" these other 2 players had this many awards completely matters.

Something better would be comparing the # of years they were in the league before they received these awards... That would be more apples to apples when comparing careers especially at particular time frames when awards were won.

what?

KAJ played 4 years of college ball ... Lebron came out of HS... totally different....

Curry came into the league after 3 years at Davidson... so in between those two...

kareem had 5 MVP's by the age of 30 ... steph has 2 at 28 (playing one more year at the same age).

The most people should be talking about in GOAT terms at this point is peak years .......... but even that measure is to thin at this point...

ghettosean
05-11-2016, 04:03 PM
what?

KAJ played 4 years of college ball ... Lebron came out of HS... totally different....

Curry came into the league after 3 years at Davidson... so in between those two...

kareem had 5 MVP's by the age of 30 ... steph has 2 at 28 (playing one more year at the same age).

The most people should be talking about in GOAT terms at this point is peak years .......... but even that measure is to thin at this point...

I agree this is what I was pointing out it's kind of like comparing apples to cucumbers.

Also I'm not saying that Curry is better than KAJ just pointing out that the comparisons are just very different between all the players mentioned in regards to awards given/received.

ghettosean
05-11-2016, 04:05 PM
true, and also factoring in what makes their game special. Meaning, Curry will probably be awesome into his 30's, because shooting doesn't disappear. Sure losing his quicks will hurt him some, but when you depend on more physical ability, you tend to age worse.

And really, age is just a number. Miles on those knees matter more, unless you are like a 29 year old rookie or something

I think NBA experience counts for something too though but just my take on things where at this point in there careers some have or had more than others.

Hawkeye15
05-11-2016, 04:15 PM
I think NBA experience counts for something too though but just my take on things where at this point in there careers some have or had more than others.

sure it does. But him not dominating earlier, and the fact that he will, assuming he doesn't improve at this point, ever make all defensive teams, kind of limits how high he can go. He reminds me of Magic, he just probably won't have the defense, or longevity to make that top 5 argument in my eyes. Magic's longevity obviously was hurt later, but both are AMAZING offensive players, and average as defenders.

europagnpilgrim
05-11-2016, 04:41 PM
If he wins this year and gets a "couple more championships," that would be four..

Jordan 6
Curry 4

And before someone jumps in with "well, by that rationale, Russell has 11 so…" Russell was not an offensively dominating player, averaging only 14 PPG on 44% FG. MJ was the greatest combination of winning and statistical dominance while winning who has ever lived.

But I'm glad this guys said it… because all I hope for is that he doesn't turn into "smalkaline" or "Imnotalkaline" in a few years like so many Kobe and Lebron fans did when the test of time ripped their claims a new a-hole.


Russell could have scored way more had he wanted to just off his sheer freakish ability, he was right under The Big Dipper as far as supreme athlete, it was just Dipper was a true natural Giant with Olympic abilities/stamina on the hardwood

and add on his like I think 5 MVP's and stupid rebound numbers and blocks that didn't count and his rings he is the other player that gets honorable mention from HS to NCAA to NBA best ever, his team won back to back in NCAA and then 11 out of 13 in nba, if that's not the GOAT its only because of The Big Dipper as a solo act, but resume its Bill Russell all day when all the nerds count rings(only for Jordan it seems that matter for most nerds)

europagnpilgrim
05-11-2016, 04:45 PM
Curry is a better version of Nash

best shooter possibly ever off the bounce+range, his dad can make that claim also as a spot/set shooter, go and look at all his highlights and they show him for what his game is, shooting the 3 ball, which isn't bad at all but greatest/best/most dominant is just ridiculous, best shooter he can have that, he shattered his own 3pt record by a landslide

like I said better version of Nash and that's nothing to be ashamed of but Nash was nowhere near the best ever and a better version of that isn't either

Hawkeye15
05-11-2016, 04:46 PM
Russell could have scored way more had he wanted to just off his sheer freakish ability, he was right under The Big Dipper as far as supreme athlete, it was just Dipper was a true natural Giant with Olympic abilities/stamina on the hardwood

and add on his like I think 5 MVP's and stupid rebound numbers and blocks that didn't count and his rings he is the other player that gets honorable mention from HS to NCAA to NBA best ever, his team won back to back in NCAA and then 11 out of 13 in nba, if that's not the GOAT its only because of The Big Dipper as a solo act, but resume its Bill Russell all day when all the nerds count rings(only for Jordan it seems that matter for most nerds)

but he wasn't polished offensively. And when you factor in he had the most help of anyone in the history of the game (his rosters were absolutely loaded), you get a player that is typically either very overrated (which you are doing imo), or underrated. I have him 8-11 all time, I believe it's realistic.

WaDe03
05-11-2016, 06:12 PM
He was the first voted unanimously because some people are dumbasses. How does Jordan not ever win unanimously? LeBron for sure should have in 2013. Shaq should have as well. Also agree about the defense. He will never be close to being as good defensively as guys like Jordan LeBron Kobe Wade etc. just to name some perimeter players who are all time greats.

LeBron right now is better than Curry and he isn't as good as he was when he was in Miami so I believe that says something.

joedaheights
05-11-2016, 10:30 PM
Russell could have scored way more had he wanted to just off his sheer freakish ability, he was right under The Big Dipper as far as supreme athlete, it was just Dipper was a true natural Giant with Olympic abilities/stamina on the hardwood

and add on his like I think 5 MVP's and stupid rebound numbers and blocks that didn't count and his rings he is the other player that gets honorable mention from HS to NCAA to NBA best ever, his team won back to back in NCAA and then 11 out of 13 in nba, if that's not the GOAT its only because of The Big Dipper as a solo act, but resume its Bill Russell all day when all the nerds count rings(only for Jordan it seems that matter for most nerds)

So why only 44%? Just didn't feel like shooting 50%? You know, like Jordan, a guard 3" shorter did with the Bulls

joedaheights
05-11-2016, 10:42 PM
He was the first voted unanimously because some people are dumbasses. How does Jordan not ever win unanimously? LeBron for sure should have in 2013. Shaq should have as well. Also agree about the defense. He will never be close to being as good defensively as guys like Jordan LeBron Kobe Wade etc. just to name some perimeter players who are all time greats.

LeBron right now is better than Curry and he isn't as good as he was when he was in Miami so I believe that says something.

I think Lebron can be better but he has to do it. At this point the parallels to choke chamberlain are astounding

MTar786
05-12-2016, 04:12 AM
curry is the goat. everyone else will eventually see it too

GoferKing_
05-12-2016, 05:43 AM
Nice joke. :)

Captain Moroni
05-12-2016, 08:34 AM
Kids got a case, that's for sure.

effen5
05-12-2016, 10:12 AM
Jordan is the greatest but if curry wins a title this year im throwing him in my top 15 and put Kerr as a top 5 coach of all time after 2 seasons

jason
05-12-2016, 10:38 AM
He will never be close to being as good defensively as guys like Jordan LeBron Kobe Wade etc. just to name some perimeter players who are all time greats.

LeBron right now is better than Curry and he isn't as good as he was when he was in Miami so I believe that says something.

Wrong.. Funny how you like to throw Wade in there. I'm sure Curry just had a better season than Wade ever had.

Curry is the best player in the league

effen5
05-12-2016, 10:42 AM
I would take curry over LeBron the last two seasons. Not to mention curry has no ego and is a great locker room guy.

Tony_Starks
05-12-2016, 11:38 AM
Magic after game 4 of the 91 Finals:

"You know, I can't even get mad. Cause they're just giving us a good ole fashioned butt kicking."

Right because Lakers really had a powerhouse team in '91.

If we went by today's standards for superstars they would give Magic a pass for that Finals loss and say he didn't have enough help.

ewing
05-12-2016, 01:15 PM
Right because Lakers really had a powerhouse team in '91.

If we went by today's standards for superstars they would give Magic a pass for that Finals loss and say he didn't have enough help.

you just have to look at the stats after the fact and be like "see"

Vee-Rex
05-12-2016, 01:24 PM
LOL @ Goat. You can't name him GOAT without taking into account longevity.

Even if you attempt to do so, if you go by advanced metrics, he still didn't have the best single season in the history of the NBA. Late 80's early 90's Jordan and 08-09/12/13 LeBron has something to say about that.

Now you can make an argument that Curry has had the best single offensive season in the NBA.

cmellofan15
05-12-2016, 01:31 PM
Wrong.. Funny how you like to throw Wade in there. I'm sure Curry just had a better season than Wade ever had.

Curry is the best player in the league

lmao he'll try to throw Wade in any chance he gets, despite the other guys listed being much better than him

ghettosean
05-12-2016, 01:44 PM
I would take curry over LeBron the last two seasons. Not to mention curry has no ego and is a great locker room guy.

Agreed for the exact reasons you stated.

krazylegz
05-12-2016, 02:37 PM
to be considered the best ever,it means that when you are done playing the game,your achievements are better than anybody else....if this little turd retired now,hed have 2 mvps and 1 title....far from the best ever

krazylegz
05-12-2016, 02:39 PM
just look at this enhanced intricate state of the art graph i made to show he is not the best ever

kareem-6 mvps>>>>steven kerry 2

bill russell-11 titles>>>>>>>>>>steven kerry 1

Sssmush
05-12-2016, 07:22 PM
Better better than Wilt, better than Magic, better than Jordan...Steph Curry is the greatest basketball player who has ever lived.


Actually with Magic Johnson I think there is an argument. Because of the immense skill and talent level. Also with Jordan but I've come to think that Magic > Jordan at least in terms of peak performance.

But yeah... Steph Curry. The best right now. Could possibly be the best ever but no one has ever played like he is playing now for two solid years so drop the mic. He just strolls into the Hall of Fame and is already an immortal legend overshadowing 99.999% of every NBA player who ever lived. Including the Barkley's and the TMACs of the world who are just like generic guys at this point.

In my view, CLEARLY Steph is head and shoulders better than Lebron. In fact this new push to say that if the Cavs can win the title etc etc etc "best team ever" etc etc etc and Lebron hinting that "best season" does not equal "best player" so the MVP blah blah blah etc etc... this new PR push by Lebron is just annoying. Although he is better than Kawahi. And edges the occasionally sloppy and erratic but more athletic Westbrook.

But yeah... Steph Curry >>>>> Lebron.

NO QUESTION.

Hello. The game is BASKETBALL. And ok Lebron is a swiss army knife player, plays d, post you up, rebounds, pass the ball, ok. But just in terms of sheer basketball skill level Steph Curry is on another planet. Lebron has nothing like the complex playmaking and scoring skillset that Steph Curry has. Curry is several levels above and beyond, and that's just how it is.

If the award was for "world's strongest man" or "most powerful basketball player" then ok Lebron wins it hands down.

But the MVP is for best BASKETBALL player and hello, points are how we keep score. PER is how we keep score. +/- is how we keep score. One Curry is literally worth about two Lebrons right now in terms of actual production. LoL if Love, Kyrie and Smith weren't white hot from the 3 point line right now the Cavs would be ludicrously floundering in these playoffs.

europagnpilgrim
05-12-2016, 08:24 PM
but he wasn't polished offensively. And when you factor in he had the most help of anyone in the history of the game (his rosters were absolutely loaded), you get a player that is typically either very overrated (which you are doing imo), or underrated. I have him 8-11 all time, I believe it's realistic.

He may not have been polished offensively but he was capable of putting up 20-25ppg in his era is all that I am trying to say, and then you pair that up with his rebounding numbers and his shot blocking/anchoring defense abilities and its case closed unless its The Big Dipper(who is by far the most dominant solo act ever), Russell is the GOAT based on how a whole lot of people say Jordan has 6 rings and blah, he almost doubles that and was the man for his 8 titles in a row dynasty, he even player-coached I think if I am not mistaken

overrated would mean I would try and throw a guy in the top 5 or 10 that doesn't have a chance, you have him 8-11 which garners plenty of consideration as being the GOAT, I mean best most dominant

to each his own but Russell is underrated heavily, not only did he have to guard the most unstoppable force in the history of the game he led a team to 8 rings in a row, the most in all major team sports ever

I think one season head to head against The Dipper he avg. like 24ppg which isn't bad at all, so I feel he was capable but had a stacked team where he did the other things at max. level, but against those other Centers he could have easily gave them the business, polished or not

europagnpilgrim
05-12-2016, 08:38 PM
So why only 44%? Just didn't feel like shooting 50%? You know, like Jordan, a guard 3" shorter did with the Bulls

well some or mostly all teams back then shot in the 30% range since the game was in its early stages and you didn't have flame throwers like they do now, Jordan came in the game was far more advanced perimeter/skill set wise or maybe I am just talking out my *** and don't know much about nothing

so his 44% doesn't mean much once you factor in his credentials as a whole and where the league was way back then % wise

Jordan shot 50% doing a whole lot of slashing and dunking and circus shots at the rim, he didn't rely on the 3pt ball or long 2 pt shots, mid range post game more so, but doesn't mean much to me when its about winning and getting buckets/stops, no matter the percentages, but dunks and reverse layups are easier to make especially when you don't have a serious flame, Jordan couldn't purely shoot on the level of a TMac or The Answer, no matter what the %'s say, the eyes never lie

Russell got it done 11x and Jordan 6x, simple mathematics

europagnpilgrim
05-12-2016, 08:39 PM
30-40% range for most of those teams

WaDe03
05-12-2016, 08:39 PM
Wrong.. Funny how you like to throw Wade in there. I'm sure Curry just had a better season than Wade ever had.

Curry is the best player in the league

Prime Wade is a much better 2 way player than Curry. I hate to break it to you. What part are you saying is wrong? Curry is nothing special on defense.

Monta is beast
05-12-2016, 08:39 PM
LeBron is obviously an all time great, but he was never in the goat conversation to me. He's top 10, maybe top 5...to me. But in order to be the goat you have to be clutch, LeBron has not been clutch over the course of his career. To be the goat you have to win the titles, he's 2 out of 6 in the finals, thats not good enough.

Curry is the most clutch player ive ever seen, his per 36 numbers in the last 2 minutes of a game are insane (averages like 80 ppg). His offensive numbers have no comparison to anyone in the history of the game. He's a better leader then LeBron or Jordan imo. The only thing LeBron has on Curry is his defense. I can understand where people say to be the goat you have to be a force on both ends, to me thats not a valid enough point. If he wins enough titles (have to get to 6), without losing multiple times in the finals, while racking up the mvps (already has 2, can see him getting 5, 6 maybe 7), being on the best team in history. If those things come to pass he's the goat to me. Right now its to early, your distespecting what Jordan did by giving it to him this early.

WaDe03
05-12-2016, 08:41 PM
lmao he'll try to throw Wade in any chance he gets, despite the other guys listed being much better than him

Every player I listed in their prime going head to head who is much better.

Monta is beast
05-12-2016, 08:41 PM
Prime Wade is a much better 2 way player than Curry. I hate to break it to you. What part are you saying is wrong? Curry is nothing special on defense.

He's good on defense and like i just posted there no one in the history of the game whos done what he's doing offensively. Wade isnt a top 10 player, many people would put Curry there ALREADY. Your being a homer.

nastynice
05-12-2016, 08:41 PM
Wrong.. Funny how you like to throw Wade in there. I'm sure Curry just had a better season than Wade ever had.

Curry is the best player in the league

lol, I totally missed that! I'm starting to notice a trend with wade03, I noticed yesterday in the best sg thread he had wade up there in the same group as Klay, harden, and butler. I was like hmm, that was a lil out of left field, I was actually eating up some of his hype regarding wade, but now I think I'm noticing a trend

nastynice
05-12-2016, 08:47 PM
Prime Wade is a much better 2 way player than Curry. I hate to break it to you. What part are you saying is wrong? Curry is nothing special on defense.

True, leading the league in steals is pretty meh. He's small, he can get bullied, but don't make that fool you into thinking parts of his defense aren't very good. Prime wade was an absolute beast, no doubt, but curry is clearly on another level, the defensive attention he demands is something we've legitimately never seen before in the game

WaDe03
05-12-2016, 08:48 PM
He's good on defense and like i just posted there no one in the history of the game whos done what he's doing offensively. Wade isnt a top 10 player, many people would put Curry there ALREADY. Your being a homer.

Anyone who has Curry in their top 10 all time is being a homer. Curry is the greatest shooter and makes a lot of 3s and that's cool to watch but there's more to it then that. Wade is a better playmaker and their scoring is about even they just do it differently. Defense doesn't even need to be mentioned.

WaDe03
05-12-2016, 08:52 PM
True, leading the league in steals is pretty meh. He's small, he can get bullied, but don't make that fool you into thinking parts of his defense aren't very good. Prime wade was an absolute beast, no doubt, but curry is clearly on another level, the defensive attention he demands is something we've legitimately never seen before in the game

I feel like a lot of it has to do with the level of talent Curry is surrounded with. There's nothing wrong with it but pretty much everyone on their team demands a lot of attention from defenses. Curry and Klay will light you up, Draymond will play make as well as score on you, Barnes Iggy Livingston etc. all do different things that demand attention. I just don't feel like if you swapped prime Wade with Curry there would be a drop off at all.

WaDe03
05-12-2016, 08:53 PM
True, leading the league in steals is pretty meh. He's small, he can get bullied, but don't make that fool you into thinking parts of his defense aren't very good. Prime wade was an absolute beast, no doubt, but curry is clearly on another level, the defensive attention he demands is something we've legitimately never seen before in the game

Also didn't try to make it seem like he's a garbage defender. He won't lock somebody up for the course of a game though.

nastynice
05-12-2016, 09:03 PM
I feel like a lot of it has to do with the level of talent Curry is surrounded with. There's nothing wrong with it but pretty much everyone on their team demands a lot of attention from defenses. Curry and Klay will light you up, Draymond will play make as well as score on you, Barnes Iggy Livingston etc. all do different things that demand attention. I just don't feel like if you swapped prime Wade with Curry there would be a drop off at all.

So isn't that an argument in favor of curry? I mean the other players all require attention, as you said, yet we are STILL seeing defenses gravitate toward Curry at a rate never seen before. I think ur not giving the guy his due, did u see how many plays yesterday they froze and showed how defenders (not the guy guarding curry) weren't even watching the ball, they were 100% focused on curry as he was trying to find space without the ball. lol, that **** is crazy, like who does that? There has legitimately NEVER been a player like this before

europagnpilgrim
05-12-2016, 09:50 PM
So isn't that an argument in favor of curry? I mean the other players all require attention, as you said, yet we are STILL seeing defenses gravitate toward Curry at a rate never seen before. I think ur not giving the guy his due, did u see how many plays yesterday they froze and showed how defenders (not the guy guarding curry) weren't even watching the ball, they were 100% focused on curry as he was trying to find space without the ball. lol, that **** is crazy, like who does that? There has legitimately NEVER been a player like this before

The Jordan rules that Daly applied on both Jordan and The Answer doesn't ring a bell at all? that Toronto game 7 vs Phi in 01' doesn't ring a bell at all? like are you serious? many other examples I am sure

WaDe03
05-12-2016, 10:16 PM
lol, I totally missed that! I'm starting to notice a trend with wade03, I noticed yesterday in the best sg thread he had wade up there in the same group as Klay, harden, and butler. I was like hmm, that was a lil out of left field, I was actually eating up some of his hype regarding wade, but now I think I'm noticing a trend

Curry is not a better player all time than Wade. He's had a good 3 years but that's just ridiculous. I mean the title of this is saying he is the GOAT lol, it's not even close.

As for the other thread I explained my reasoning in there and believe that it is true. Harden and Jimmy lack leadership and Wade dominated Jimmy this year and was 1-1 aganinst Harden. I'm basing this off playoff Wade. These guys will put up bigger numbers over the course of a season but Wade will usually win the head to head matchups and in games that matter such as the playoffs he is better than them. Wade is doing everything on both sides of the court and leads basically every clutch category. I have your boy 2nd followed by Harden and Jimmy 4th. Hardens defense is garbage and Jimmy is good on both sides but not great and lacks that leadership and from what I've seen clutch gene.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-12-2016, 10:49 PM
Curry has not surpassed Wade all time.

SeoulBeatz
05-12-2016, 11:03 PM
Anyone who has Curry in their top 10 all time is being a homer. Curry is the greatest shooter and makes a lot of 3s and that's cool to watch but there's more to it then that. Wade is a better playmaker and their scoring is about even they just do it differently. Defense doesn't even need to be mentioned.

Ehh, I'd say curry is actually a better playmaker than prime dwade. It's debateable, that's for sure, but Curry is the most dominant offensive weapon I've seen in my 18 years of watching basketball.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 12:02 AM
Theres no question that Curry is a better playmaker than Wade. I dont know how thats even a debate. When Curry runs the p&r both defenders go with him half the time if not more, Curry drops it off to draymond and thats where teams cannot stop the warriors. Thats all curry drawimg attention. Theres a stat called gravity, it shows how defense leans to one side of the floor cause of a player, curry leads the league in that. Basically he gets hockey assist more than anyone ive ever seen and defenses always lean towards his side offl the floor creating spacing. Thats him playmaking.

Just the greatest shooter off all time? He leads all guards in fg% in the paint. Did Wade ever win a unanimous mvp? Curry is in my top 10 all time. He has 2 mvps, just put together the greatest regular season off all time, broke the wins record in the same year, coming off a championship and is most likely gonna get another.

This argument that he cant be considered the goat cause he cant dominant defensively is not good enough. Hes a good defender and the most dominant offensive player EVER and its not really close. All he needs is time and he'll be in the conversation if not leading it.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-13-2016, 12:48 AM
nvm lol

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 12:55 AM
The assist numbers say differently. Also if we're talking pick n roll Kobe said Wade would completely disappear in pick n roll situations and is one of the best at scoring or making a play out of it.

Also no ones answered my question. This thread is about Curry being the GOAT, is he better than a declined LeBron who is playing for the Cavs right now? What is he currently better than LeBron at other than shooting? There's honestly nothing and LeBron isn't considered the GOAT. Remember 2013 LeBron everyone said was going to be better than Jordan? It didn't happen and that LeBron is without a doubt better than Curry. Curry is a great player by my god people or so quick to overrate players on here because of recent success. Kawhi and Anthony Davis are also great examples of this.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 12:56 AM
The Jordan rules that Daly applied on both Jordan and The Answer doesn't ring a bell at all? that Toronto game 7 vs Phi in 01' doesn't ring a bell at all? like are you serious? many other examples I am sure

Hey, I'm def open to you showing me something. It's the first time I've ever noticed it (I've been watching since early 90's)

nastynice
05-13-2016, 12:59 AM
Curry is not a better player all time than Wade. He's had a good 3 years but that's just ridiculous. I mean the title of this is saying he is the GOAT lol, it's not even close.
.

Dude, YOURE the one that said "prime"!! lol, don't be tryina put that on ME now!

Never in my life have I used the words curry and goat in the same sentence.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 01:03 AM
The assist numbers say differently. Also if we're talking pick n roll Kobe said Wade would completely disappear in pick n roll situations and is one of the best at scoring or making a play out of it.

Also no ones answered my question. This thread is about Curry being the GOAT, is he better than a declined LeBron who is playing for the Cavs right now? What is he currently better than LeBron at other than shooting? There's honestly nothing and LeBron isn't considered the GOAT. Remember 2013 LeBron everyone said was going to be better than Jordan? It didn't happen and that LeBron is without a doubt better than Curry. Curry is a great player by my god people or so quick to overrate players on here because of recent success. Kawhi and Anthony Davis are also great examples of this.

Didn't I already answer ur question regarding what curry is better at than lebron?? lol, only shooting, cmon man!!

A 28 yr old player has no business being in any goat discussion, don't care if it's curry, mj, Hakeem, lebron, shaq...anyone

jason
05-13-2016, 01:05 AM
lmao he'll try to throw Wade in any chance he gets, despite the other guys listed being much better than him
Right? Lol he still believes he belongs with the top 5 players

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 01:08 AM
Right? Lol he still believes he belongs with the top 5 players

Show me where I said this. As a Warriors fan you must be offended I disagree that Curry is the GOAT.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 01:10 AM
Dude, YOURE the one that said "prime"!! lol, don't be tryina put that on ME now!

Never in my life have I used the words curry and goat in the same sentence.

Didn't mean for it to sound like you said it lol. Just saying people need to calm down a little and let things play out. You don't knock top 20 players all time out with a good 3 years and for sure not the GOAT.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 01:10 AM
Didn't I already answer ur question regarding what curry is better at than lebron?? lol, only shooting, cmon man!!

A 28 yr old player has no business being in any goat discussion, don't care if it's curry, mj, Hakeem, lebron, shaq...anyone

Where did you answer lol? I must've missed it.

jason
05-13-2016, 01:12 AM
Show me where I said this. As a Warriors fan you must be offended I disagree that Curry is the GOAT.
I'm not talking about GOAT.. I'm talking about right now. It seems like you still think Wade is still up there with Curry or in the top 5

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 01:25 AM
I'm not talking about GOAT.. I'm talking about right now. It seems like you still think Wade is still up there with Curry or in the top 5

I'm talking about right now too. Yes I know Wade isn't top 5 anymore I never said this or made a case for it anywhere. I think he's the best SG, him and Klay are my top 2 but I don't think he's a top 5 player.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 01:30 AM
Where did you answer lol? I must've missed it.

Ah, it's somewhere lost in the shuffle. I think easily handles, off the ball movement, and defensive rotations goes to curry, I can't see how anyone can argue against that.

Personally, I also think vision/passing goes to curry, tho Lebron's no slouch there

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 01:44 AM
Ah, it's somewhere lost in the shuffle. I think easily handles, off the ball movement, and defensive rotations goes to curry, I can't see how anyone can argue against that.

Personally, I also think vision/passing goes to curry, tho Lebron's no slouch there

Handles I'll give you although LeBrons not really getting ripped by anybody either. Off ball movement, obviously that because a lot of that has to do with being a shooter, the better you are at moving the more open looks you'll get. Vision and passing I'm going to disagree with though, LeBron has crazy vision and passing abilities especially for his size. That's a big reason why he's compared to Magic a lot. Anything defensively between the 2 I'm going to have to disagree with. LeBron coasts through the regular season so we have and will continue to see him take his game on both sides of the court up to another level. Just last season in the finals he was head and shoulders better than everyone on the court but people tend to forget that when he's just going through the motions during the regular season. LeBron giving it his all on both sides of the court is just too much for anybody in the league right now and this LeBron isn't as good as the LeBron from the Heat days.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 01:57 AM
What is he currently better than LeBron at

Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577

Curry 2 mvps
LeBron 0

Curry is also the most clutch player i have ever seen. I already explained that he gets a large amount of hockey assist and draws the most attention of any player in the nba therefor creating space therfor playmaking. He's a better leader than LeBron. LeBron was overtaken as the best player in the nba last year, now its pretty much known worldwide. Ive seen multiple players in the nba state Curry is the best player in the league.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 02:03 AM
Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577

Curry 2 mvps
LeBron 0

He's a shooter so true shooting I can see. If we're bringing up MVPs for some reason then LeBron has 4. Again, LeBron coasts through the season. Anyone who watches the NBA knows this. The playoffs are where you see the real LeBron. LeBron was head and shoulders better than Curry in the finals last year. Your guys best player was Iggy and LeBron was also head and shoulders better than him.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 02:07 AM
He's a shooter so true shooting I can see. If we're bringing up MVPs for some reason then LeBron has 4. Again, LeBron coasts through the season. Anyone who watches the NBA knows this. The playoffs are where you see the real LeBron. LeBron was head and shoulders better than Curry in the finals last year. Your guys best player was Iggy and LeBron was also head and shoulders better than him.

Currys playoff win share last postseason 3.9.
LeBrons playoff win share last postseason 3.0

Currys PER last postseason 28.9
LeBrons PER last postseason 25.1

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 02:10 AM
Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577

Curry 2 mvps
LeBron 0

Curry is also the most clutch player i have ever seen. I already explained that he gets a large amount of hockey assist and draws the most attention of any player in the nba therefor creating space therfor playmaking. He's a better leader than LeBron. LeBron was overtaken as the best player in the nba last year, now its pretty much known worldwide. Ive seen multiple players in the nba state Curry is the best player in the league.

Curry is also a better leader not some pre madonna passive aggresive iono what he is he aint a good leader tho

USMCLaker
05-13-2016, 02:13 AM
I love Curry but nobody I mean nobody has the basketball resume that Kareem has not even Jordan, look it up.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 02:18 AM
Curry is also a better leader not some pre madonna passive aggresive iono what he is he aint a good leader tho

LeBron is the best player in the world. His defense is way better than Currys it's not even close. He can guard all 5 positions. Offensively he is a better playmaker and better at literally everything except shooting and handles which don't really account for much when you turn it over at the same rate. LeBron is a SF who averages more assists than Curry while Curry has a top 4 shooter of all time next to him a top 3 PF and a ridiculous supporting cast.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 02:21 AM
LeBron is the best player in the world. His defense is way better than Currys it's not even close. He can guard all 5 positions. Offensively he is a better playmaker and better at literally everything except shooting and handles which don't really account for much when you turn it over at the same rate. LeBron is a SF who averages more assists than Curry while Curry has a top 4 shooter of all time next to him a top 3 PF and a ridiculous supporting cast.

Thats your oppinion. Numbers, wins, mvps say Curry is the best player in the world. And most people would agree with that. I just gave you a bunch of #'s cause you asked how Curry is a better player.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 02:23 AM
LeBron is the best player in the world. His defense is way better than Currys it's not even close. He can guard all 5 positions. Offensively he is a better playmaker and better at literally everything except shooting and handles which don't really account for much when you turn it over at the same rate. LeBron is a SF who averages more assists than Curry while Curry has a top 4 shooter of all time next to him a top 3 PF and a ridiculous supporting cast.

So what is lebrons supporting cast?

Irving
Love
Smith
Thompson
Mozgov
Shumpert
Frye
Dellevedova
Jefferson

You could argue lebron has the better supporting cast. Your argument is weak bruh

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 02:26 AM
Numbers > your oppinion

Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577

Currys playoff win share last postseason 3.9.
LeBrons playoff win share last postseason 3.0

Currys PER last postseason 28.9
LeBrons PER last postseason 25.1

USMCLaker
05-13-2016, 02:40 AM
Numbers > your oppinion

Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577

Currys playoff win share last postseason 3.9.
LeBrons playoff win share last postseason 3.0

Currys PER last postseason 28.9
LeBrons PER last postseason 25.1

This post is worthy of a response but yet, crickets.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 02:42 AM
This post is worthy of a response but yet, crickets.

Thats usually how it goes

USMCLaker
05-13-2016, 02:50 AM
Thats usually how it goes

Yeah, those damn facts always get in the way of a good argument.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 03:04 AM
Yeah, those damn facts always get in the way of a good argument.

foreal haha.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 03:14 AM
So what is lebrons supporting cast?

Irving
Love
Smith
Thompson
Mozgov
Shumpert
Frye
Dellevedova
Jefferson

You could argue lebron has the better supporting cast. Your argument is weak bruh

Lmao, you can't argue that LeBron has a better supporting cast Bruh. No player on his team is even top 5 at their position except possibly Kyrie. Curry also has 2 6MOY caliber players on his team in Iggy and Livingston.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 03:19 AM
Numbers > your oppinion

Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577

Currys playoff win share last postseason 3.9.
LeBrons playoff win share last postseason 3.0

Currys PER last postseason 28.9
LeBrons PER last postseason 25.1

Oh so you're one of those guys where advanced stats mean everything. I don't know how much simpler it gets than LeBron is in another world defensively than Curry and does everything better on offense except shoot. If you need someone to guard Durant are you putting Steph or LeBron on him? Curry doesn't even guard his match up most of the time lol. He gets to chill on defense and do all of his work on offense. I can't argue with someone who only looks at advanced stats and doesn't take common basketball knowledge into consideration as well. I also can't argue with someone who has Curry in their top 10 after having 2 elite seasons. 1 championship and 2 MVPs doesn't make you top 10 all time.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 03:20 AM
This post is worthy of a response but yet, crickets.

My bad man. I'll sit here and hit my refresh button every 30 seconds so I can respond asap.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 03:29 AM
Lmao, you can't argue that LeBron has a better supporting cast Bruh. No player on his team is even top 5 at their position except possibly Kyrie. Curry also has 2 6MOY caliber players on his team in Iggy and Livingston.

All I know is LeBron has allot of talent on his team. You act like LeBron is playing with a bunch of chumps, he's not. Yet the Warriors won 16 more games. The Warriors dont have that much more talent than the cavs. If LeBron is better than Curry that gap in wins should be much closer, why isnt it? I've given you nothing but facts and all you have is opinions.







Numbers > your oppinion

Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577


You said LeBron is better than Curry, then you said LeBron was better in the postseason.

Currys playoff win share last postseason 3.9.
LeBrons playoff win share last postseason 3.0

Currys PER last postseason 28.9
LeBrons PER last postseason 25.1

Respond to facts. Like my sig from 3 years ago your argument is weak. I was right then and im right now.

USMCLaker
05-13-2016, 03:30 AM
My bad man. I'll sit here and hit my refresh button every 30 seconds so I can respond asap.

You are forgiven.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 03:37 AM
All I know is LeBron has allot of talent on his team. You act like LeBron is playing with a bunch of chumps, he's not. Yet the Warriors won 16 more games. The Warriors dont have that much more talent than the cavs. If LeBron is better than Curry that gap in wins should be much closer, why isnt it? I've given you nothing but facts and all you have is opinions.







Numbers > your oppinion

Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577


You said LeBron is better than Curry, then you said LeBron was better in the postseason.

Currys playoff win share last postseason 3.9.
LeBrons playoff win share last postseason 3.0

Currys PER last postseason 28.9
LeBrons PER last postseason 25.1

Respond to facts. Like my sig from 3 years ago your argument is weak. I was right then and im right now.

There is a huge gap in supporting casts from top to bottom. I guarantee the majority would agree to this. If Curry is so much better than LeBron can you tell me why those advanced stats didn't measure up when Curry was a no show in the finals and LeBron dominated the Warriors? Your 6th man won finals MVP if we need to go further into discussion about supporting casts. Maybe this will be the year Curry is the leader of a championship team in a finals series.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 03:38 AM
And what is your sig from 3 years ago, I don't see one?

nastynice
05-13-2016, 03:39 AM
Handles I'll give you although LeBrons not really getting ripped by anybody either. Off ball movement, obviously that because a lot of that has to do with being a shooter, the better you are at moving the more open looks you'll get. Vision and passing I'm going to disagree with though, LeBron has crazy vision and passing abilities especially for his size. That's a big reason why he's compared to Magic a lot. Anything defensively between the 2 I'm going to have to disagree with. LeBron coasts through the regular season so we have and will continue to see him take his game on both sides of the court up to another level. Just last season in the finals he was head and shoulders better than everyone on the court but people tend to forget that when he's just going through the motions during the regular season. LeBron giving it his all on both sides of the court is just too much for anybody in the league right now and this LeBron isn't as good as the LeBron from the Heat days.

He does coast, but his defense was pretty fugly last year during the playoffs too. The man simply doesn't rotate a lot of times, I've seen it pretty regularly. Saw it multiple times with curry even in the finals.

Lebron's passing/vision is VERY VERY good, but I think curry's clear cut above him. I feel like people get enamored with the whole "for his size" thing so that's why I knew that's something that wouldn't be a given. I get that curry's position naturally brings the expectation of being able to distribute and so it gets overlooked, but that's just the nature of the game.

What do u mean he can guard all 5 positions (in ur other post)? He can't guard Bogut, lol, like what the hell? I'll def give him versatility in general tho, what he did against d rose in the playoffs that one year was ****in phenomenal

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 03:45 AM
He does coast, but his defense was pretty fugly last year during the playoffs too. The man simply doesn't rotate a lot of times, I've seen it pretty regularly. Saw it multiple times with curry even in the finals.

Lebron's passing/vision is VERY VERY good, but I think curry's clear cut above him. I feel like people get enamored with the whole "for his size" thing so that's why I knew that's something that wouldn't be a given. I get that curry's position naturally brings the expectation of being able to distribute and so it gets overlooked, but that's just the nature of the game.

What do u mean he can guard all 5 positions (in ur other post)? He can't guard Bogut, lol, like what the hell? I'll def give him versatility in general tho, what he did against d rose in the playoffs that one year was ****in phenomenal

LeBron can't guard Bogut lol? Come on man, LeBron is 6'8 250-265 athletic beast. You could not iso Bogut and tell him to get a bucket against LeBron.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 03:56 AM
LeBron can't guard Bogut lol? Come on man, LeBron is 6'8 250-265 athletic beast. You could not iso Bogut and tell him to get a bucket against LeBron.

What the hell? That boy will catch the ball 2 ft from the basket against lebron! And he's not even anything special on offense. Hell, I'd LOVE to even see lebron on ezeli, that dude would be alley oops n put back dunks all day. Baby hooks like nobody's business. Lebron's a freak of nature, no doubt, but let's not get carried away now. You don't think Steve Kerr would be salivating if for some reason Lue told lebron to guard center?

Could u imagine him trying to guard deandre Jordan? Oh my god!!

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:01 AM
What the hell? That boy will catch the ball 2 ft from the basket against lebron! And he's not even anything special on offense. Hell, I'd LOVE to even see lebron on ezeli, that dude would be alley oops n put back dunks all day. Baby hooks like nobody's business. Lebron's a freak of nature, no doubt, but let's not get carried away now. You don't think Steve Kerr would be salivating if for some reason Lue told lebron to guard center?

Could u imagine him trying to guard deandre Jordan? Oh my god!!

You just named 2 guys with terrible offensive games lol. I can't tell if you're ****ing with me or not. There's no way you think LeBron couldnt guard those 2 guys. Cousins I could probably understand but Bogut and Jordan?

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:08 AM
Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577


You said LeBron is better than Curry, then you said LeBron was better in the postseason.

Currys playoff win share last postseason 3.9.
LeBrons playoff win share last postseason 3.0

Currys PER last postseason 28.9
LeBrons PER last postseason 25.1
----------------------------------------------------------
Curry averaged 30.1 ppg
LeBron averaged 25.3 ppg

Cury had a +/- of 1,022
LeBron had a +/- of 618

Currys on/off court #'s are +18.1/-5.2 net 23.3
LeBrons on/off court #'s are +10.9/-4.8 net 19.6

Currys clutch effective fg% .595
LeBrons clutch effective fg% .480

Currys passing rating 10.5
LeBrons passing rating 8.4

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:11 AM
LeBrons PER while playing center 18.4

Opponents PER while LeBrons playing center 27.8

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:16 AM
All you keep doing is giving me your oppinion while im giving you facts. Im done.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:19 AM
Curry win share 17.9
Lebron win share 13.6

Curry PER 31.5
LeBron PER 27.5

Curry true shooting % .669
LeBron true shooting % .588

Last year

Curry win share 15.7
LeBron win share 10.4

Curry PER 28.0
LeBron PER 25.9

Curry true shooting % .638
LeBron true shooting % .577


You said LeBron is better than Curry, then you said LeBron was better in the postseason.

Currys playoff win share last postseason 3.9.
LeBrons playoff win share last postseason 3.0

Currys PER last postseason 28.9
LeBrons PER last postseason 25.1
----------------------------------------------------------
Curry averaged 30.1 ppg
LeBron averaged 25.3 ppg

Cury had a +/- of 1,022
LeBron had a +/- of 618

Currys on/off court #'s are +18.1/-5.2 net 23.3
LeBrons on/off court #'s are +10.9/-4.8 net 19.6

Currys clutch effective fg% .595
LeBrons clutch effective fg% .480

Currys passing rating 10.5
LeBrons passing rating 8.4

But you still haven't been able to explain why Curry was shut down by ****ing Matthew Dellawhatever on the biggest stage in the NBA. If you put the Delly of SFs on LeBron he's averaging 50 in that series. Hell if you put Delly as the primary defender on Wade right now at the age of 34 he will average 30+ for the series.

Your numbers are cool and all but they dont mean much when LeBron is coasting. There is more to the game then advanced stats I know that's hard for some people to believe.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:20 AM
All you keep doing is giving me your oppinion while im giving you facts. Im done.

You're posting the same ******** advanced stats every time lol. Put those finals numbers on here real quick where they were both going their hardest trying to win the ring. LeBron coasts through his seasons while Curry plays his *** off every game.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:22 AM
I'm sure I could dig up numbers that were in LeBrons favor if I cared enough about LeBron or Curry to do so but the fact of the matter is I don't care about either one of them. LeBron is the better all around player that's a fact.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:29 AM
Did you not see where i posted Lebrons PER in the playoffs compared to Currys? Guess who's was better. Did you not see where I posted LeBrons win shares compared to Currys in the playoffs? Guess who's was better.

If you call averaging 26 pts 6.3 ast 5.2 reb being shut down i really dont know what to tell you. Those were better than his regular season #'s that won him an mvp. That was also last year, this year Curry easily could have won MIP. Your argument is weak and you know this man

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:30 AM
I'm sure I could dig up numbers that were in LeBrons favor if I cared enough about LeBron or Curry to do so but the fact of the matter is I don't care about either one of them. LeBron is the better all around player that's a oppinion.

Fixed

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:32 AM
LeBron may be the more complete player, but he isn't the better player.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:36 AM
Did you not see where i posted Lebrons PER in the playoffs compared to Currys? Guess who's was better. Did you not see where I posted LeBrons win shares compared to Currys in the playoffs? Guess who's was better.

If you call averaging 26 pts 6.3 ast 5.2 reb being shut down i really dont know what to tell you. Those were better than his regular season #'s that won him an mvp. That was also last year, this year Curry easily could have won MIP. Your argument is weak and you know this man

Delly gave him fits man. Took him out of his game for sure. A player like that should never be able to do that to the best player in the world. He shot like 44% from the field and I believe had some very rough games in the series. When you only play 6 games a big game or 2 will make your numbers look better than they really were. Post LeBrons finals numbers real fast and compare them to Currys then. I think I know why you aren't comparing those numbers.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:37 AM
Fixed

Opinion* you keep making this mistake. I'm not one of those grammar police people but I'm just curious if that is how you really think the word is spelled.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:39 AM
LeBron may be the more complete player, but he isn't the better player.

Curry shoots better and that's it. I don't see how LeBron isn't the better player if he's better in so many different areas.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 04:39 AM
You just named 2 guys with terrible offensive games lol. I can't tell if you're ****ing with me or not. There's no way you think LeBron couldnt guard those 2 guys. Cousins I could probably understand but Bogut and Jordan?

What? I'm serious! I know they're bad offensively, that's part of the point I'm making.

Let's backtrack here, let's do this. What is it that makes you think lebron is capable of guarding a center? I recall him guarding d rose at pg, I don't recall him ever guarding a center.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:42 AM
What? I'm serious! I know they're bad offensively, that's part of the point I'm making.

Let's backtrack here, let's do this. What is it that makes you think lebron is capable of guarding a center? I recall him guarding d rose at pg, I don't recall him ever guarding a center.

Because the man is a monster physically in every way and a freak athlete. This has been said by multiple analysts players coaches etc. over the years. They say LeBron can guard and play 1-5. They're starting to say Kawhi can guard 1-5. The only guy other than those 2 that may be able to would be Green but idk how he would do against guards although the only guard I have paid attention to him guarding was Wade on some possessions when we played you guys.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 04:42 AM
Curry shoots better and that's it. I don't see how LeBron isn't the better player if he's better in so many different areas.

So list the things Lebron's better at

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:44 AM
Im done with you bro..and your OPINIONS! aha

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:46 AM
Last thing LeBrons #'s in the finals were stupid good I cant take that away from him but he shot in the 30's in % if im not mistaken. I know he had no help but its allot easier to get 35 when your taking a bunch of shots to get there.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:48 AM
So list the things Lebron's better at

In all honesty defense and rebounding. Curry is a better playmaker with the spacing he creates and his passing but he'll disagree.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 04:49 AM
Because the man is a monster physically in every way and a freak athlete. This has been said by multiple analysts players coaches etc. over the years. They say LeBron can guard and play 1-5. They're starting to say Kawhi can guard 1-5. The only guy other than those 2 that may be able to would be Green but idk how he would do against guards although the only guard I have paid attention to him guarding was Wade on some possessions when we played you guys.

What the hell is going on?? Now it tellingn me kawhi can guard centers?? Wtf is this? Who is "they"? And what have "they" been smoking?? lmao

And no, green can't guard 1-5, he can't guard point guards. Sure he's been matched up with them on switches, and he's shut them down, but there's just no way we would approach a game and say hey Green, u go out there and stick lillard. Haha, sry, not gonna happen. He can effectively guard 3-5, maybe 2-5 depending on who the 2 is. Someone like cj McCollum or monta Ellis, no, they're too quick

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 04:49 AM
He's also 2 for 6 in the finals amd has never had the reputation of being clutch. Meanwhile curry is the most clutch player i have seen in my life.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:51 AM
He's also 2 for 6 in the finals amd has never had the reputation of being clutch. Meanwhile curry is the most clutch player i have seen in my life.

We all know who the clutches the player this playoffs has been though. Unfortunately he doesn't have any help right now.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:53 AM
In all honesty defense and rebounding. Curry is a better playmaker with the spacing he creates and his passing but he'll disagree.

Yes I disagree. If Curry was that great of a playmaker he would definitely average more assists. You're acting like its being disrespectful to be ranked below a legit top 10 all time player on the back end of their prime.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:57 AM
What the hell is going on?? Now it tellingn me kawhi can guard centers?? Wtf is this? Who is "they"? And what have "they" been smoking?? lmao

And no, green can't guard 1-5, he can't guard point guards. Sure he's been matched up with them on switches, and he's shut them down, but there's just no way we would approach a game and say hey Green, u go out there and stick lillard. Haha, sry, not gonna happen. He can effectively guard 3-5, maybe 2-5 depending on who the 2 is. Someone like cj McCollum or monta Ellis, no, they're too quick

Commentators during the games and multiple players and coaches I can't believe you've never heard this before lol. If Draymond can guard 5s then why can't LeBron? LeBron is taller don't know his exact weight but 20-35 pounds heavier and in a different world than Draymond when it comes to athleticism.

Actually I think in the Bulls series you keep mentioning they were talking about how he would guard rose their big men and wing players all throughout the course of the game.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 04:58 AM
As for Kawhi I believe it was Mark Jackson who said it the other night.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 05:02 AM
Yes I disagree. If Curry was that great of a playmaker he would definitely average more assists. You're acting like its being disrespectful to be ranked below a legit top 10 all time player on the back end of their prime.

Warriors don't play drive n dish. They play tic tac toe, which arguably requires better vision than drive n dish

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:04 AM
Warriors don't play drive n dish. They play tic tac toe, which arguably requires better vision than drive n dish

Cavs play Connect 4, they make the most efficient move possible hoping to get 4 checkers to fall in line. This requires flawless decision making.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:07 AM
Yes I disagree. If Curry was that great of a playmaker he would definitely average more assists. You're acting like its being disrespectful to be ranked below a legit top 10 all time player on the back end of their prime.

It is being disrespectful. IMO Curry just had the best regular season of all time. Coming of an mvp season before that, while the Warriors won 67 games and the championship. The only player who can compare to that is jordan, and hes the goat.

And you must not watch allot of warriors games because he gets 7 normal assist a night, but he probably gets another 8 in hockey assist, thats why draymond averages more apg than curry. Curry runs the p & r with draymond two people run at curry, he drops it off to draymond and the warriors are playing 4 on 3. Thats him playmaking, you cant just say because he's not actually getting the assist thats not playmaking. He also creates spacing which gets teammates better looks, thats also playmaking.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:07 AM
As for Kawhi I believe it was Mark Jackson who said it the other night.

Marc jackson cant be taken seriously

nastynice
05-13-2016, 05:08 AM
Commentators during the games and multiple players and coaches I can't believe you've never heard this before lol. If Draymond can guard 5s then why can't LeBron? LeBron is taller don't know his exact weight but 20-35 pounds heavier and in a different world than Draymond when it comes to athleticism.

Actually I think in the Bulls series you keep mentioning they were talking about how he would guard rose their big men and wing players all throughout the course of the game.

Dray plays big. Lebron doesn't. Dray steps into the paint and becomes bigger than he is. That's his game. It's not Lebron's. It's not based on height weight, it's based on watching them play and seeing what their game is.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 05:10 AM
Cavs play Connect 4, they make the most efficient move possible hoping to get 4 checkers to fall in line. This requires flawless decision making.

Haha, ok we've gone overboard with the analogies. I have no clue what ur saying, lol

Basically either he drives and either finishes or dishes, or Kyrie does, right?

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:14 AM
Marc jackson cant be taken seriously

He started all this with the Warriors but didn't see eye to eye with management so was fired. Steve Kerr has implemented his own things as well but most of the success goes to the amount of talent they have. I would say Jackson is a pretty smart dude.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:15 AM
It is being disrespectful. IMO Curry just had the best regular season of all time. Coming of an mvp season before that, while the Warriors won 67 games and the championship. The only player who can compare to that is jordan, and hes the goat.

And you must not watch allot of warriors games because he gets 7 normal assist a night, but he probably gets another 8 in hockey assist, thats why draymond averages more apg than curry. Curry runs the p & r with draymond two people run at curry, he drops it off to draymond and the warriors are playing 4 on 3. Thats him playmaking, you cant just say because he's not actually getting the assist thats not playmaking. He also creates spacing which gets teammates better looks, thats also playmaking.

But you claim he is top 10. Do these 2 seasons make him a top 10 player all time? If his career ended today and he never played again is he top 10 all time?

nastynice
05-13-2016, 05:16 AM
Curry runs the p & r with draymond two people run at curry, he drops it off to draymond and the warriors are playing 4 on 3.

.

Yea, creating so many 4 on 3's, that's HUGE. It's ****in huge man, there's not stat for it, but I don't think people appreciate just what a big impact that has for an offense.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:17 AM
Dray plays big. Lebron doesn't. Dray steps into the paint and becomes bigger than he is. That's his game. It's not Lebron's. It's not based on height weight, it's based on watching them play and seeing what their game is.

You know better than that man. LeBron plays big, he's been doing so since he was in Miami. If I'm not mistaken he did a lot of work against you guys in the finals in the paint whether on the drive or in post situations, a lot of the time against Draymond.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:19 AM
Haha, ok we've gone overboard with the analogies. I have no clue what ur saying, lol

Basically either he drives and either finishes or dishes, or Kyrie does, right?

I was just ****ing with you on the connect 4 lol. Yea on the drive and also in the post. He like Curry also produces a lot of hockey assists though when he drives or is in the post and the defense collapses and he kicks it to a shooter who makes the extra pass.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 05:20 AM
You know better than that man. LeBron plays big, he's been doing so since he was in Miami. If I'm not mistaken he did a lot of work against you guys in the finals in the paint whether on the drive or in post situations, a lot of the time against Draymond.


Playing help defense in the paint is worlds diff than banging bodies in the paint. Completely diff

sammyvine
05-13-2016, 05:21 AM
lol
he isn't better than lebron or jordan...shaq and kareem were better as well

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:23 AM
Playing help defense in the paint is worlds diff than banging bodies in the paint. Completely diff

I'm talking offensively how he plays big but I see now I went off track since we're talking defense. LeBron will bang bodies though I've seen it multiple times but guys really don't try to go at him in the paint. If LeBron played PF as his main position you would see a lot more of this.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:25 AM
lol
he isn't better than lebron or jordan...shaq and kareem were better as well

So based on your response you have him 5th all-time lol?

nastynice
05-13-2016, 05:30 AM
I was just ****ing with you on the connect 4 lol. Yea on the drive and also in the post. He like Curry also produces a lot of hockey assists though when he drives or is in the post and the defense collapses and he kicks it to a shooter who makes the extra pass.

Oh, I was like well that snowballed pretty fast, lol!

I was just showing why curry's actual assist numbers aren't as high as his actual play making impact is, also like mibs brought up earlier, creating 4 on 3's where Dray is now the assist man, but it's because of Curry.

jason
05-13-2016, 05:30 AM
I'm sure I could dig up numbers that were in LeBrons favor if I cared enough about LeBron or Curry to do so but the fact of the matter is I don't care about either one of them. LeBron is the better all around player that's a fact.

You never back up your statements and just say random **** and say it's fact..

nastynice
05-13-2016, 05:35 AM
I'm talking offensively how he plays big but I see now I went off track since we're talking defense. LeBron will bang bodies though I've seen it multiple times but guys really don't try to go at him in the paint. If LeBron played PF as his main position you would see a lot more of this.

Yea, he's a solid dude, I know he can body players trying to post him up, but still having a forward trying to post you up outside the lane is diff than playing an actual big in the paint.

I don't know man, maybe he can, I just don't see what it's based off of other than height weight. He just doesn't play that style ball, it's not a knock, it's just not how he plays

I mean if we were to meet in the finals, and for whatever reason the cavs decided to put lebron on Bogut/ezeli (not speights, ain't nobody afraid of him, lol), I would be ****in ECSTATIC!! I'd be like, it's feeding time, drive in and lob that **** all day, put this boy on the block DEEP

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:36 AM
Also opinions but i agree so fact!

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:36 AM
You never back up your statements and just say random **** and say it's fact.. Curry is the best player in league fact! Warriors are the best that's a fact. Heat won't win the finals this year fact. Klay is better than Wade right now fact!

Heat have 3 rings fact! Klay will never be on the level of prime Wade fact! Wade led his team to an NBA championship his 3rd year in the league and had the greatest finals performance of all time fact! Wade is ****ing 34 years old and still in the conversation for best SG fact! Wade has been the clutchest player in the playoffs but his teammates are garbage fact! Wade has been doing everything including knocking down 3s on offense as well as locking up on defense these playoffs fact! Again Wade is 34 ****ing years old dominating in the playoffs when people were telling me he was done and washed up 3 years ago fact!

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:37 AM
I dont think its knocking lebron to say he plays more like a guard than a big man. Draymond plays bigger than lebron thats forsure

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:38 AM
Wade has been on his ****, one of my favorite players.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:41 AM
Yea, he's a solid dude, I know he can body players trying to post him up, but still having a forward trying to post you up outside the lane is diff than playing an actual big in the paint.

I don't know man, maybe he can, I just don't see what it's based off of other than height weight. He just doesn't play that style ball, it's not a knock, it's just not how he plays

I mean if we were to meet in the finals, and for whatever reason the cavs decided to put lebron on Bogut/ezeli (not speights, ain't nobody afraid of him, lol), I would be ****in ECSTATIC!! I'd be like, it's feeding time, drive in and lob that **** all day, put this boy on the block DEEP

I think a lot of that has to do with role though. LeBron isn't needed to bang he's needed to score/facilitate. They have actual big men who can do the dirty work but I'm pretty positive LeBron could do those things if needed and I've seen him do them from time to time. He played PF a lot for us.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:41 AM
I like how wade is always at his pace he never rushes things. He picks and chooses when to use his explosivenes and has always been a great defender and leader. I dont think hes ever been as good as curry is, but thats not a knock on him thats just my opinion

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 05:42 AM
Wade has been on his ****, one of my favorite players.

It's just been a damn shame that Bosh and Whiteside are out. It's been an ultimate buzz kill, I thought we had a chance to make things real interesting in the east this year for the first time in awhile.

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:47 AM
It's just been a damn shame that Bosh and Whiteside are out. It's been an ultimate buzz kill, I thought we had a chance to make things real interesting in the east this year for the first time in awhile.

Imo youve been better w/out bosh. Whiteside is a beast. Yall need more depth at the wing and someone to eventually replace wade

nastynice
05-13-2016, 05:48 AM
Wade has been on his ****, one of my favorite players.

Yea, as much as I so badly wanna tear down wade03 by clowning his guy, I just can't. Haven't seen too much of him, but from the bits I been catching, boy's been killin it. I thought he was done a couple years ago

Def not one of my fave players tho. **** him!! :)

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:49 AM
Riley keeps finding under the radar guards like Richardson and Johnson..found whiteside..need a fa to come in

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:51 AM
Na i love wade..idk why but i always think of wade as a better cp3

Monta is beast
05-13-2016, 05:51 AM
When healthy at least

nastynice
05-13-2016, 05:53 AM
Riley keeps finding under the radar guards like Richardson and Johnson..found whiteside..need a fa to come in

Johnsons been a disappointment man. I really thought he was THAT piece the heat needed when they got him. He's had his moments, but where the hell has he been lately?

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 06:10 AM
Yea, as much as I so badly wanna tear down wade03 by clowning his guy, I just can't. Haven't seen too much of him, but from the bits I been catching, boy's been killin it. I thought he was done a couple years ago

Def not one of my fave players tho. **** him!! :)


What did he ever do to you lol?

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 06:12 AM
Johnsons been a disappointment man. I really thought he was THAT piece the heat needed when they got him. He's had his moments, but where the hell has he been lately?

He may be talking about Tyler Johnson. If he's talking about Joe, yea he was good at one point but straight garbage this playoff series. Everyone but Wade has been garbage actually and I'm dead serious if they are playing bad next game I want Wade to take 50 shots lol. Idc about the outcome at that point I just don't want to see any more bricked jumpers from guys who should be knocking them down.

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 06:14 AM
Imo youve been better w/out bosh. Whiteside is a beast. Yall need more depth at the wing and someone to eventually replace wade

Yea we have but that's due to changing our offensive style. This team post all star break is like night and day compared to the team before the all star break. This new style would actually be great for Bosh as well.

nastynice
05-13-2016, 06:15 AM
What did he ever do to you lol?

Na, he's cool, i like him. I just didn't want u getting TOO full of urself!

WaDe03
05-13-2016, 06:16 AM
Na, he's cool, i like him. I just didn't want u getting TOO full of urself!

Haha his best years are definitely behind him but I'm happy with what he's been able to do at this point in his career, especially when so many said he was done.

KnicksorBust
05-13-2016, 06:53 AM
Pet Peeve of PSD: When threads like this have 16 pages.

SonicsvsBulls
05-13-2016, 07:27 AM
Delly gave him fits man. Took him out of his game for sure. A player like that should never be able to do that to the best player in the world. He shot like 44% from the field and I believe had some very rough games in the series. When you only play 6 games a big game or 2 will make your numbers look better than they really were. Post LeBrons finals numbers real fast and compare them to Currys then. I think I know why you aren't comparing those numbers.

Lebron played awful in last seasons finals. It all comes down to FG % and points per shot attempt. If Lebron wanted to win he needed to defend Curry from the start and the Cavs needed
to trap him to force turnovers to pass ahead for dunks.

As for LeBron playing center I don't think it's a good position for him because usually he doesn't like to out let pass. He likes to be the player that brings the ball up the court. In the playoffs you need a center that can out let pass. As for guarding todays Centers. I see just a few decent or pretty good centers today. Ezeli and Mo Buckets are both very good. Bogut is very good too, but they don't pass to him for some reason. I think if he wanted to and if the team passed to him he could average about 15 ppg on Lebron and a couple more easy tip ins.

Put LeBron against a 90's Center like Robinson and it would be game over. Robinson would certainly get 45 points on 65% shooting and also he would average something close to that for a series.

I could see the Cavs playing Kevin at the 5 if they play the Warriors which it looks like they will in the Finals. (todays NBA is so predictable it's gotten really bad). Lebron will play the 4 a lot.

Maybe they should put JR Smith on Curry or really they would guard him with Lebron.

Scoots
05-13-2016, 12:19 PM
Lebron played awful in last seasons finals. It all comes down to FG % and points per shot attempt. If Lebron wanted to win he needed to defend Curry from the start and the Cavs needed
to trap him to force turnovers to pass ahead for dunks.

As for LeBron playing center I don't think it's a good position for him because usually he doesn't like to out let pass. He likes to be the player that brings the ball up the court. In the playoffs you need a center that can out let pass. As for guarding todays Centers. I see just a few decent or pretty good centers today. Ezeli and Mo Buckets are both very good. Bogut is very good too, but they don't pass to him for some reason. I think if he wanted to and if the team passed to him he could average about 15 ppg on Lebron and a couple more easy tip ins.

Put LeBron against a 90's Center like Robinson and it would be game over. Robinson would certainly get 45 points on 65% shooting and also he would average something close to that for a series.

I could see the Cavs playing Kevin at the 5 if they play the Warriors which it looks like they will in the Finals. (todays NBA is so predictable it's gotten really bad). Lebron will play the 4 a lot.

Maybe they should put JR Smith on Curry or really they would guard him with Lebron.

You know the Warriors best lineup has Green at center and he regularly gets the rebound and brings the ball up the court, or someone else gets the ball and outlets to him. It's not like LeBron would have trouble handling those responsibilities or that the center always gets the board.

alkalinesolo
05-13-2016, 12:49 PM
Haha, ok we've gone overboard with the analogies. I have no clue what ur saying, lol

Basically either he drives and either finishes or dishes, or Kyrie does, right?

Wait are we saying that Curry did it in the kitchen with the candlestick?

alkalinesolo
05-13-2016, 12:51 PM
Pet Peeve of PSD: When threads like this have 16 pages.

Yeah man, discussion on an internet forum is the worst.

SonicsvsBulls
05-13-2016, 03:02 PM
You know the Warriors best lineup has Green at center and he regularly gets the rebound and brings the ball up the court, or someone else gets the ball and outlets to him. It's not like LeBron would have trouble handling those responsibilities or that the center always gets the board.

Green usually passes ahead and a lot of ahead at that. Meaning usually he gets the rebound maybe takes one dribble then passes ahead 60 feet for a quick layup or dunk.

I'd say of the 10-12 rebounds Green will get in a game he on average passes ahead on 95% of those. If not 100%.

Lebron on the other hand gets the rebound and the play is over. It's him the rest of the play and 24 seconds so the team stops trying.

Honestly if you really want to break it down to production for LeBron. Lebron has only played well 1 time in a BIG TIME series. 1 out of like 8. And the only reason he played well in that one round was because he was going against his "brother Durant who idolizes him".

So I knew what I was saying in my first statement and Maybe I should've wrote 2 pages to detail it.

James isn't about to pass the ball ahead. It's very very rare that he passes ahead. maybe 1 time per game if that. Probably more like 1 time per series. While Green is passing ahead about 60 times a series. When you pass ahead and have no bad attitude or bad ego then your team will sneak out and get easy dunks.

europagnpilgrim
05-13-2016, 06:03 PM
Hey, I'm def open to you showing me something. It's the first time I've ever noticed it (I've been watching since early 90's)

The Jordan Rules were a defensive strategy employed by the Detroit Pistons against Michael Jordan in order to limit his effectiveness on offense. Devised by Isiah Thomas in 1988, the Pistons' strategy was "to play him tough, to physically challenge him and to vary its defenses so as to try to throw him off balance."[1] Sometimes the Pistons would overplay Jordan to keep the ball from him. Sometimes they would play him straight up, more often they would run a double-team at him as soon as he touched the ball to try to force him to give it up. And whenever he went to the basket, they made sure his path was contested. This strategy has also sometimes been employed against other prolific scoring guards

Iverson Rules Take Effect Magic's Scheme Nearly Makes Allen Disappear


Rick Mahorn has seen all this before. A decade ago, he was on a team that played against someone who had qualities not seen in any known human. Back then, Chuck Daly and his Detroit Pistons called the antidote the Jordan Rules.

Last night, the Orlando Magic, abused by the 76ers and Allen Iverson in the first game of the playoffs, came with something that looked eerily familiar. When Iverson had the ball, he had company, tons of company.



"Basically, they came off one guy," Mahorn said. "One guy was designated double-team guy and that was Penny [Hardaway]. We didn't counter and that's all you have to do . . . They executed their defense well."

He juked and dribbled and tried to find the slightest seam in the defense, attacking double-teams with his acrobatic moves. More often than not, it ended with Allen Iverson landing on the floor with a thud.

Chuck Daly, on a mission to stop the high-scoring Iverson, delved into his formidable memory bank and searched for a scheme that might help. He found it in a dusty old folder bearing a familiar name.

Michael Jordan.

A little retro-strategy by an old master has spiced up this first-round series between Daly's Orlando Magic and the Philadelphia 76ers. In Game 3 tonight in Philadelphia, the 76ers will have to come up with an answer for Daly's latest masterpiece - the "Iverson Rules."




they use to have a strategy called Whack Wilt, all 5 guys use to guard Big Dipper from NCAA to early NBA career, we just didn't witness it, but you had to see Shaq getting triple teamed before the ball crossed half court during his 3peat dominance in LA

Jamiecballer
05-13-2016, 06:16 PM
He's good on defense and like i just posted there no one in the history of the game whos done what he's doing offensively. Wade isnt a top 10 player, many people would put Curry there ALREADY. Your being a homer.
Somebody would put curry there already? Anybody who wouldn't insist on anonymity?

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ChicagoJ
05-13-2016, 08:05 PM
Unfortunately whenever a star emerges in the nba people start talking about if he's the greatest or comparing him to mj. No way curry is at that level. If he could get there his game would have to evolve extensively from where it's at, especially on the defensive end.

In the physical game of the 80s/90s curry wouldn't even be that dominating due to the physical nature of the game. but, it's not that era so probably not fair to compare. Great player, and probably will represent the shift to dominating 3pt shooters in this era, and the best of his generation. But let's see in a few years when some of goldenstate's pieces aren't there anymore and they are a 5-7 seed team. Will he still be good on a middle of the road team? Just comparing to current players he's not a better player than lebron. The Lebron haters may not agree, but I don't see curry being a better player even at lebrons current age.

JordansBulls
05-13-2016, 09:49 PM
No he doesn't even have a finals mvp and his teammate won it over him.

More-Than-Most
05-14-2016, 12:30 AM
Yeah man, discussion on an internet forum is the worst.

When its a moronic topic like this it sure as hell is.

joedaheights
05-14-2016, 11:22 PM
Right because Lakers really had a powerhouse team in '91.

If we went by today's standards for superstars they would give Magic a pass for that Finals loss and say he didn't have enough help.

Wanna tell me who the Vegas favorite was? Cause it's funny that everyone likes to act like magic was 90 and the lakers sucked, but beforehand no one was singing that tune from the media to Vegas ...

Also, there's a problem... It's not like they just kinda beat LA. They murdered them and Michael put up the following insane line... 33 ppg 11.4 apg 55%. Wake me up the next time you see that against any team

joedaheights
05-14-2016, 11:28 PM
Actually with Magic Johnson I think there is an argument. Because of the immense skill and talent level. Also with Jordan but I've come to think that Magic > Jordan at least in terms of peak performance.

But yeah... Steph Curry. The best right now. Could possibly be the best ever but no one has ever played like he is playing now for two solid years so drop the mic. He just strolls into the Hall of Fame and is already an immortal legend overshadowing 99.999% of every NBA player who ever lived. Including the Barkley's and the TMACs of the world who are just like generic guys at this point.

In my view, CLEARLY Steph is head and shoulders better than Lebron. In fact this new push to say that if the Cavs can win the title etc etc etc "best team ever" etc etc etc and Lebron hinting that "best season" does not equal "best player" so the MVP blah blah blah etc etc... this new PR push by Lebron is just annoying. Although he is better than Kawahi. And edges the occasionally sloppy and erratic but more athletic Westbrook.

But yeah... Steph Curry >>>>> Lebron.

NO QUESTION.

Hello. The game is BASKETBALL. And ok Lebron is a swiss army knife player, plays d, post you up, rebounds, pass the ball, ok. But just in terms of sheer basketball skill level Steph Curry is on another planet. Lebron has nothing like the complex playmaking and scoring skillset that Steph Curry has. Curry is several levels above and beyond, and that's just how it is.

If the award was for "world's strongest man" or "most powerful basketball player" then ok Lebron wins it hands down.

But the MVP is for best BASKETBALL player and hello, points are how we keep score. PER is how we keep score. +/- is how we keep score. One Curry is literally worth about two Lebrons right now in terms of actual production. LoL if Love, Kyrie and Smith weren't white hot from the 3 point line right now the Cavs would be ludicrously floundering in these playoffs.

Magic Johnson was not better than MJ on this planet or any other you want to imagine. Top 5 player? Yes. But don't confuse "having better teammates" with "better." Magic Johnson on a team with Scottie pippen is being taunted by the Knicks defense as they say to him, "no, don't make no one better mfer... We want YOU to score."

Michael didn't need an all world outlet Down low to toss it to like magic and Kobe and he didn't need to be paired with a bunch of nice offensive players who just needed a defender like Russell. You could put MJ with Kareem but you could also put him with Scottie pippen.. Same ****

Raps08-09 Champ
05-14-2016, 11:58 PM
He's an all time great and has a chance to be a #1 PG and top 10 player but he's not there yet.

Missing56&33
05-22-2016, 04:06 PM
I started watching pro basketball in the late 70's early 80's....I've seen a bunch of great players past and present. I've seen some great shooters/scorers....Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, World B Free, Dell Curry, Chris Jackson, Chris Mullen, Larry Bird, Dale Ellis, John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Otis Birdsong, Fat Lever, Michael Ray Richardson,
.....the list goes on and on.

STEPH CURRY IS THE BEST SHOOTER IV'E EVER SEEN PLAY THE GAME....HANDS DOWN!!!! He's a great scorer....he's tough, competitive, and his BBIQ is off the charts.

As a old school guy, I have a difference of opinion as far as who is the best PLAYER OF ALL TIME. I think MJ, Magic, Larry, KAJ are way ahead of Steph......BUT.....

I won't knock you new school young guys for anointing Steph Curry GOAT....I just won't debate you guys....he's a joy to watch...he really is.

Scoots
05-22-2016, 04:35 PM
I started watching pro basketball in the late 70's early 80's....I've seen a bunch of great players past and present. I've seen some great shooters/scorers....Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, World B Free, Dell Curry, Chris Jackson, Chris Mullen, Larry Bird, Dale Ellis, John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Otis Birdsong, Fat Lever, Michael Ray Richardson,
.....the list goes on and on.

STEPH CURRY IS THE BEST SHOOTER IV'E EVER SEEN PLAY THE GAME....HANDS DOWN!!!! He's a great scorer....he's tough, competitive, and his BBIQ is off the charts.

As a old school guy, I have a difference of opinion as far as who is the best PLAYER OF ALL TIME. I think MJ, Magic, Larry, KAJ are way ahead of Steph......BUT.....

I won't knock you new school young guys for anointing Steph Curry GOAT....I just won't debate you guys....he's a joy to watch...he really is.

Amen. I probably started around the time you did and I like Jim Barnett's take on "greatest" ... He's got his list from when he was young and he won't debate changing it. It is set forever. I love watching Curry play, but I don't think he will ever be on my list. I don't really see the point in debating across eras at all, even half eras are near impossible.

FlashBolt
05-22-2016, 11:41 PM
No he doesn't even have a finals mvp and his teammate won it over him.

this might be the best post you made here. How can a guy be called the greatest basketball player when Iguodala was the Finals MVP? And I don't want to hear it that Curry was the better player. Sure, he was... if you're looking at pure stats. Iguodala knocked down the daggers, tough shots, and guarded LeBron intensively. And Curry wasn't even 2nd in Finals MVP voting.. they voted LeBron. bring this thread back in five years.. because only then will he even be in discussing for top ten... let alone greatest. In my personal opinion, though, I think he has the opportunity of surpassing Magic. Magic is 8th-10th on my list so it's entirely possible we are seeing the greatest PG. can we even call him a PG, btw? he doesn't play like one.

lol, please
05-22-2016, 11:45 PM
this might be the best post you made here. How can a guy be called the greatest basketball player when Iguodala was the Finals MVP? And I don't want to hear it that Curry was the better player. Sure, he was... if you're looking at pure stats. Iguodala knocked down the daggers, tough shots, and guarded LeBron intensively. And Curry wasn't even 2nd in Finals MVP voting.. they voted LeBron. bring this thread back in five years.. because only then will he even be in discussing for top ten... let alone greatest. In my personal opinion, though, I think he has the opportunity of surpassing Magic. Magic is 8th-10th on my list so it's entirely possible we are seeing the greatest PG. can we even call him a PG, btw? he doesn't play like one.

How is Iggy winning the FMVP over Curry a knock on Curry? Why can't it just be that Iggy stepped up? :confused: