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mrblisterdundee
05-05-2016, 01:56 PM
Disgraced NBA referee Tim Donaghy, who spent 15 months in prison after the FBI learned he bet on games he worked, told Fox Sport's Colin Cowherd that all NBA referees gamble (http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/tim-donaghy-100-percent-of-nba-refs-gamble-050416), and are allowed to:

When I was there, (and) David Stern did his investigation, he said 'Legal gambling will cost you your job, illegal gambling will cost you your freedom. Then they did an investigation and found out that 58 out of the 60 referees gambled in some way, shape or form. And they changed the rules. Now basically they're allowed to gamble."
But Donaghy was less certain whether that gambling included NBA games:

"No, I can't say that I know for a fact. But I do think when you're at a party and you're discussing the NBA, you're always going to have that guy that comes up to you and is going to try and come up to you and pump you for information on, you know, 'who is going to win a series,' or 'who, the league wants to crack down in certain situations.' There's always information that that gambler wants to extract from that official."
What do you think? Is he blowing smoke up our *****? Should NBA referees be barred from any gambling, or just on NBA games?

mrblisterdundee
05-05-2016, 01:57 PM
I would be OK with not allowing refs to gamble at all. Even though they might not gamble on NBA games, gambling is still an addition that can lead down a rabbit hole to bad and possibly unethical decisions. You can't have that with guys who are tasked with policing NBA games.

beasted86
05-05-2016, 02:08 PM
I would be OK with not allowing refs to gamble at all. Even though they might not gamble on NBA games, gambling is still an addition that can lead down a rabbit hole to bad and possibly unethical decisions. You can't have that with guys who are tasked with policing NBA games.

I disagree. That's like telling a bus driver they are never allowed to drink because it can similarly lead to an addiction and drinking while driving would put others at risk.

What everyone does in their personal time as long as it's not illegal nor crosses interests of their business, shouldn't be a problem. NBA referees shouldn't be allowed to gamble on any NBA or even NCAA basketball games from a viewpoint of conflict of interest or "insider trading", but otherwise should not be restricted.

FlashBolt
05-05-2016, 03:01 PM
Just on NBA games but even then, this is a question of morality rather than what they should be able to do. If the ref can judge a game without bias (which is how it should be reffed anyways), they should be allowed to do what they wish. However, all refs have some sort of bias and it'll be tough for any individual to not be.

AllBall
05-05-2016, 03:16 PM
So, what, a ref can't buy a lotto ticket now? Please go.

DboneG
05-05-2016, 03:26 PM
I would be OK with not allowing refs to gamble at all. Even though they might not gamble on NBA games, gambling is still an addition that can lead down a rabbit hole to bad and possibly unethical decisions. You can't have that with guys who are tasked with policing NBA games.

Exactly.

Scoots
05-05-2016, 03:30 PM
I would be OK with not allowing refs to gamble at all. Even though they might not gamble on NBA games, gambling is still an addition that can lead down a rabbit hole to bad and possibly unethical decisions. You can't have that with guys who are tasked with policing NBA games.

Gambling is not an addiction. People can get addicted to gambling, but people can gamble without being addicted. Do you have insurance? Then you are gambling. Youse put $600 down on your not being healthy and it came up appendicitis ... you win $35k which we will pay to the doctor for youse. If you don't make your premium payment we may have to break your leg.

Ideally people should not be restricted by their employer what they do away from work. Go ahead and gamble on NBA games, but if you shave points you'll be fired.

mrblisterdundee
05-05-2016, 03:55 PM
I disagree. That's like telling a bus driver they are never allowed to drink because it can similarly lead to an addiction and drinking while driving would put others at risk.
What everyone does in their personal time as long as it's not illegal nor crosses interests of their business, shouldn't be a problem. NBA referees shouldn't be allowed to gamble on any NBA or even NCAA basketball games from a viewpoint of conflict of interest or "insider trading", but otherwise should not be restricted.

So, what, a ref can't buy a lotto ticket now? Please go.
Being a bus driver isn't that comparable to being an an NBA referee, nor is alcoholism that comparable to gambling addiction. I can acquiesce to referees not being allowed to bet on any sporting contests, but being allowed to play the lotto. But referees, with how high-profile they are, shouldn't be allowed to make sports-betting a habit.

Slug3
05-05-2016, 03:55 PM
I disagree. That's like telling a bus driver they are never allowed to drink because it can similarly lead to an addiction and drinking while driving would put others at risk.

What everyone does in their personal time as long as it's not illegal nor crosses interests of their business, shouldn't be a problem. NBA referees shouldn't be allowed to gamble on any NBA or even NCAA basketball games from a viewpoint of conflict of interest or "insider trading", but otherwise should not be restricted.

Though I get it, but think of a guy who is allowed to gamble on all games but the NBA. He racks up a $250K debt or some crap. He then throws down $250K on a game he might officiate or a good bud of his is and then all sorts of crap happens in that game.

But honestly I am not sure how I feel about this one way or another. I mean I am a fan of teams and I am sure some of these refs were as well before they got in the league. If I was a ref I don't know how honest I would be if I officiated a game with my favorite team in it. I don't know if I would call BS calls, but I could allow my favorite team to get away with a lot more.

mrblisterdundee
05-05-2016, 03:57 PM
Gambling is not an addiction. People can get addicted to gambling, but people can gamble without being addicted. Do you have insurance? Then you are gambling. Youse put $600 down on your not being healthy and it came up appendicitis ... you win $35k which we will pay to the doctor for youse. If you don't make your premium payment we may have to break your leg.
Ideally people should not be restricted by their employer what they do away from work. Go ahead and gamble on NBA games, but if you shave points you'll be fired.

Did you seriously just compare recreational gambling to buying insurance? You're required to buy insurance by law. It's not like people buying insurance are seeking some psychological pleasure point.

Chronz
05-05-2016, 04:54 PM
How'd the FBI "learn" that? Always thought he got away with a plea cuz they couldn't find bupkiss.

Saddletramp
05-05-2016, 05:17 PM
I disagree. That's like telling a bus driver they are never allowed to drink because it can similarly lead to an addiction and drinking while driving would put others at risk.

What everyone does in their personal time as long as it's not illegal nor crosses interests of their business, shouldn't be a problem. NBA referees shouldn't be allowed to gamble on any NBA or even NCAA basketball games from a viewpoint of conflict of interest or "insider trading", but otherwise should not be restricted.

/thread.

ghettosean
05-05-2016, 05:43 PM
I would be OK with not allowing refs to gamble at all. Even though they might not gamble on NBA games, gambling is still an addition that can lead down a rabbit hole to bad and possibly unethical decisions. You can't have that with guys who are tasked with policing NBA games.

I disagree. That's like telling a bus driver they are never allowed to drink because it can similarly lead to an addiction and drinking while driving would put others at risk.

What everyone does in their personal time as long as it's not illegal nor crosses interests of their business, shouldn't be a problem. NBA referees shouldn't be allowed to gamble on any NBA or even NCAA basketball games from a viewpoint of conflict of interest or "insider trading", but otherwise should not be restricted.


I disagree.... If you want to gamble don't be an NBA referee plain and simple. This rule can even be instated and not come into effect for 5 years so the gamblers who refuse to quit can find other jobs.

Scoots
05-05-2016, 05:52 PM
Did you seriously just compare recreational gambling to buying insurance? You're required to buy insurance by law. It's not like people buying insurance are seeking some psychological pleasure point.

Yes. Insurance is legal, but it's still making a wager. It's not like I'm anywhere NEAR the first person to make the comparison. You are paying a premium (making a wager) that you will not stay healthy/get in an accident/house will burn down while your insurance company (the casino/house) is using their actuarial tables to determine the likelihood (betting) that the opposite will happen.

slaker619
05-05-2016, 06:08 PM
Awh hell no

beasted86
05-05-2016, 06:25 PM
Though I get it, but think of a guy who is allowed to gamble on all games but the NBA. He racks up a $250K debt or some crap. He then throws down $250K on a game he might officiate or a good bud of his is and then all sorts of crap happens in that game.

But honestly I am not sure how I feel about this one way or another. I mean I am a fan of teams and I am sure some of these refs were as well before they got in the league. If I was a ref I don't know how honest I would be if I officiated a game with my favorite team in it. I don't know if I would call BS calls, but I could allow my favorite team to get away with a lot more.

What's preventing any other type of misfortune or unforeseen problem and them doing the same right now?

Also what makes you believe the NBA has the scope to enforce no gambling on all fronts, but not be able to monitor a referee accruing $250k debt?

I say let these guys live.

gaughan333
05-05-2016, 09:55 PM
Though I get it, but think of a guy who is allowed to gamble on all games but the NBA. He racks up a $250K debt or some crap. He then throws down $250K on a game he might officiate or a good bud of his is and then all sorts of crap happens in that game.

But honestly I am not sure how I feel about this one way or another. I mean I am a fan of teams and I am sure some of these refs were as well before they got in the league. If I was a ref I don't know how honest I would be if I officiated a game with my favorite team in it. I don't know if I would call BS calls, but I could allow my favorite team to get away with a lot more.

It's highly unlikely that the nba changing their rules on refs gambling is going to deter a person who would be at risk of racking up $250,000 in gambling debt. They could easily use illegal forms of gambling if they were that big into it