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Nikeman
04-22-2016, 10:32 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/4/21/11485432/this-andrew-bogut-elbow-grab-was-dirty-and-dwight-howard-should-be-mad/in/11247899


This is probably one of the dirtiest plays I've seen this year. Bogut had full intentions to hurting Dwight. Bogut was already voted as one of the top 5 dirtiest players in the NBA, and I'm surprised this isn't getting as much attention.

It seems the Warriors have the NBA in their back pocket.

ewing
04-22-2016, 10:33 AM
No

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 11:00 AM
I've seen this almost every game this year. Heck, I saw Toronto do it last night (might have been game 2, watched both yesterday). You pin the arm of another player against your side when he sticks his arm out too far. It's holding without getting called for a penalty because you aren't using your hands, and if the other player reacts it looks like they threw a punch or elbow.

Rockets4Life
04-22-2016, 11:07 AM
This is exactly what happened to Love last year in the playoffs. No need for that in the league.





http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/4/21/11485432/this-andrew-bogut-elbow-grab-was-dirty-and-dwight-howard-should-be-mad/in/11247899


This is probably one of the dirtiest plays I've seen this year. Bogut had full intentions to hurting Dwight. Bogut was already voted as one of the top 5 dirtiest players in the NBA, and I'm surprised this isn't getting as much attention.

It seems the Warriors have the NBA in their back pocket.

Vee-Rex
04-22-2016, 11:10 AM
I wouldn't say he had full intentions of hurting Dwight, but how can anyone look at that play and say it's not dirty?

He didn't just grab or hook the arm, he twisted it into an armbar with BOTH of his arms and pulled in the opposite direction.

You guys can't seriously see how this is okay or even normal? Typical battles underneath the rim involve hooking and grabbing, but not the actual contortion of a limb as shown in the link.

beasted86
04-22-2016, 11:20 AM
Yes, Bogut knew what he was doing. He's a dirty player that does this type of thing every game and moves/grabs on half of the screens he sets.

I would think this warrants a suspension based on history with Olynk, but the NBA clearly coddles the Warriors and need them to win.

CHANGO
04-22-2016, 12:12 PM
I mean... How can you deny what he is trying to do? It's obvious.

BTW, don't forget they are letting wrestling go on too, of course, if you are in a Warriors uniform.

https://vine.co/v/iFlImg2OLBA

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 12:31 PM
The sad part was Dwight got a technical for that mess.. NBA players know what happens when someone gets injured. Dwight knows how Love got his arm snapped like that and felt Bogut was doing the exact same thing. That's just dirty, man. There's no other way to describe it. If you claim you saw this happen before, please, send me a snapshot of a very recent game in which you saw this. Very, as in some guy claimed he saw this in game 2. This was not your common play. Arms tangle up but the extra effort Bogut took in PULLING his arm towards the opposite direction was a blatant dirty play. And as for Draymond, do we really need to make a comment on that? He's bearhugging him and tossing him to the ground. Can someone explain to me what's going on here? Will any of these guys ever get called for anything? Bogut just thrusts his arms forward when he's setting a pick as if he's a sumo-wrestler.

sf-fanatic
04-22-2016, 12:34 PM
What about Howard's foul in game 2 when he pulled the Warriors jersey/neck when he had no chance at a rebound ? Should we make a post on it too ? Its playoff basketball. When you play a team 4+ straight times, they don't like each other. The Rockets style of ball also relies on the refs a lot for their success (James Harden), and when it doesn't go their way their coaching staff/front office makes posts on social media to cry about it.

Scoots
04-22-2016, 12:40 PM
This is exactly what happened to Love last year in the playoffs. No need for that in the league.

And something Love himself did a couple minutes earlier in that game.

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 12:44 PM
Can you guys find evidence of what you're saying or are you just going to pretend that we take your word for it? Even then, are we going to pretend that that is a basketball play? We're talking about Bogut here. Stop namecalling other players when you have zero evidence to show us. And let me guess... Draymond with an amazing play tossing Beasley. That must be very common.

Scoots
04-22-2016, 12:45 PM
I wouldn't say he had full intentions of hurting Dwight, but how can anyone look at that play and say it's not dirty?

He didn't just grab or hook the arm, he twisted it into an armbar with BOTH of his arms and pulled in the opposite direction.

You guys can't seriously see how this is okay or even normal? Typical battles underneath the rim involve hooking and grabbing, but not the actual contortion of a limb as shown in the link.

That was absolutely a dirty play ... I don't think that is sufficient to call him a dirty player or to be suspended. Beverly and JR Smith regularly spear screeners and don't get calls, Howard grabs, pulls, holds, and twists arms too.

I wish we could do away with all of it, and we would if it were always called, but as long as players get away with holding and pulling and twisting and tangling and tripping and shoving and elbowing and swiping and charging and ripping-through on a regular basis it's going to keep happening. And as long as it keeps happening there are going to be more severe examples of it.

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 12:46 PM
What about Howard's foul in game 2 when he pulled the Warriors jersey/neck when he had no chance at a rebound ? Should we make a post on it too ? Its playoff basketball. When you play a team 4+ straight times, they don't like each other. The Rockets style of ball also relies on the refs a lot for their success (James Harden), and when it doesn't go their way their coaching staff/front office makes posts on social media to cry about it.

Yeah, I think Howard should body slam Curry next time.. because they play each other 4+ times straight then he should be able to do it. He doesn't like him so who cares! Let's get ready to RUUUUMBLLLEEE!

Scoots
04-22-2016, 12:47 PM
Yeah, I think Howard should body slam Curry next time.. because they play each other 4+ times straight then he should be able to do it. He doesn't like him so who cares! Let's get ready to RUUUUMBLLLEEE!

That's exactly the sort of thing that happens when the refs don't do their jobs early and often.

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 12:49 PM
Can you guys find evidence of what you're saying or are you just going to pretend that we take your word for it? Even then, are we going to pretend that that is a basketball play? We're talking about Bogut here. Stop namecalling other players when you have zero evidence to show us. And let me guess... Draymond with an amazing play tossing Beasley. That must be very common.It was against Rodney Stuckey, game 3 in Indy. i'll find a screenshot when i'm on my computer. Stop being a tool, some if us have better things to do than find videos for someone too lazy to look for themselves.

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 12:50 PM
That's exactly the sort of thing that happens when the refs don't do their jobs early and often.

I want you to find me proof of what you claim those players did. If not, can't we agree that Bogut/Green get away with more crap than anyone else? For Christ's sake, Dwight got called a technical foul for tossing the ball in frustration that he was getting his arm pulled. Fine, but it's about time they look into Bogut/Green now. Really, I can find you ten plays in the first three games that are really blatant.

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 12:51 PM
It was against Rodney Stuckey, game 3 in Indy. i'll find a screenshot when i'm on my computer. Stop being a tool, some if us have better things to do than find videos for someone too lazy to look for themselves.

I'm a tool because I'm asking you to find what you're referencing to? Well, I guess anyone who wants evidence is a tool. I want proof that Jesus exists... guess I'm a tool!

sf-fanatic
04-22-2016, 12:56 PM
Yeah, I think Howard should body slam Curry next time.. because they play each other 4+ times straight then he should be able to do it. He doesn't like him so who cares! Let's get ready to RUUUUMBLLLEEE!

Well Howard should do it so it shows he actually cares lol

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 12:58 PM
I'm a tool because I'm asking you to find what you're referencing to? Well, I guess anyone who wants evidence is a tool. I want proof that Jesus exists... guess I'm a tool!

I AM ON MY PHONE. Pulling up league pass and scanning through an hour of game footage to find a screenshot while I'm picking up lunch seems a little bit unreasonable to do right now, doesn't it?

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 01:01 PM
I AM ON MY PHONE. Pulling up league pass and scanning through an hour of game footage to find a screenshot while I'm picking up lunch seems a little bit unreasonable to do right now, doesn't it?

Who the hell is forcing you to do so right now? Do what you have to do and get on PSD later. I'm just saying, I want to see those dirty plays you guys are referencing to. If that makes me a tool, I'll gladly be one.

Scoots
04-22-2016, 01:32 PM
I want you to find me proof of what you claim those players did. If not, can't we agree that Bogut/Green get away with more crap than anyone else? For Christ's sake, Dwight got called a technical foul for tossing the ball in frustration that he was getting his arm pulled. Fine, but it's about time they look into Bogut/Green now. Really, I can find you ten plays in the first three games that are really blatant.

No. I think it's a waste of time since I doubt you will ever be convinced that illegal overly physical play is common. You don't even know the rules. Throwing the ball is an automatic technical.

Since you like to find plays, go ahead and find the ten plays that are "dirty" plays from the Warriors.

Scoots
04-22-2016, 01:33 PM
I'm a tool because I'm asking you to find what you're referencing to? Well, I guess anyone who wants evidence is a tool. I want proof that Jesus exists... guess I'm a tool!

We agree.

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 01:53 PM
No. I think it's a waste of time since I doubt you will ever be convinced that illegal overly physical play is common. You don't even know the rules. Throwing the ball is an automatic technical.

Since you like to find plays, go ahead and find the ten plays that are "dirty" plays from the Warriors.

Oh it's common, huh? So can you find those plays you were talking about? I will find you those ten plays but since I asked you first, can you please find one that is recent?

I never disagreed with the Dwight technical but they should realize why it happened. He wasn't throwing the ball for no apparent reason.

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 02:03 PM
Bismack Biyombo pinning Myles Turner, no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack1_zps8b0jawhs.jpg
Bismack pinning Myles Turner again, no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack2_zps0p9fbux7.jpg
Bismack using that 2nd pin to hold Turner down while he jumps over him for the rebound:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack2b_zps9ob1vohh.jpg
Pre pin, Patrick Patterson on Rodney Stuckey:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson1_zpsdwwo9o4a.jpg
Clearly pinning his arm in full view of two referees:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson2_zpsopikvc4l.jpg
Lowry using the Patterson pin to slip the defender, forcing the Pacers to switch:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson3_zps77pqu4qo.jpg
Stuckey trying to free himself:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson4_zpsg9g9o0da.jpg
Patterson also clotheslining Stuckey, again no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson5_zpsshuqyyui.jpg
Stuckey retaliating and getting a tech:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson6_zpsrknifjzy.jpg

Referees are clearly not calling when you pin a man's arm down using your own.

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 02:13 PM
Who the hell is forcing you to do so right now? Do what you have to do and get on PSD later. I'm just saying, I want to see those dirty plays you guys are referencing to. If that makes me a tool, I'll gladly be one.

Asking to see it doesn't make you a tool, but essentially calling people liars does. You could have said "Can link link it? Because I don't ever recall seeing anything like that." instead of "Can you guys find evidence of what you're saying or are you just going to pretend that we take your word for it?"

Slug3
04-22-2016, 02:14 PM
Bismack Biyombo pinning Myles Turner, no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack1_zps8b0jawhs.jpg
Bismack pinning Myles Turner again, no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack2_zps0p9fbux7.jpg
Bismack using that 2nd pin to hold Turner down while he jumps over him for the rebound:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack2b_zps9ob1vohh.jpg
Pre pin, Patrick Patterson on Rodney Stuckey:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson1_zpsdwwo9o4a.jpg
Clearly pinning his arm in full view of two referees:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson2_zpsopikvc4l.jpg
Lowry using the Patterson pin to slip the defender, forcing the Pacers to switch:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson3_zps77pqu4qo.jpg
Stuckey trying to free himself:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson4_zpsg9g9o0da.jpg
Patterson also clotheslining Stuckey, again no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson5_zpsshuqyyui.jpg
Stuckey retaliating and getting a tech:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson6_zpsrknifjzy.jpg

Referees are clearly not calling when you pin a man's arm down using your own.

In reality the Refs pick and choose when and what they want to call.

MygirlhatesCod
04-22-2016, 02:15 PM
Bismack Biyombo pinning Myles Turner, no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack1_zps8b0jawhs.jpg
Bismack pinning Myles Turner again, no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack2_zps0p9fbux7.jpg
Bismack using that 2nd pin to hold Turner down while he jumps over him for the rebound:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack2b_zps9ob1vohh.jpg
Pre pin, Patrick Patterson on Rodney Stuckey:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson1_zpsdwwo9o4a.jpg
Clearly pinning his arm in full view of two referees:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson2_zpsopikvc4l.jpg
Lowry using the Patterson pin to slip the defender, forcing the Pacers to switch:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson3_zps77pqu4qo.jpg
Stuckey trying to free himself:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson4_zpsg9g9o0da.jpg
Patterson also clotheslining Stuckey, again no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson5_zpsshuqyyui.jpg
Stuckey retaliating and getting a tech:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson6_zpsrknifjzy.jpg

Referees are clearly not calling when you pin a man's arm down using your own.

got em

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 02:17 PM
Where do you see one that involves pulling someone's arm the way Bogut did? You're showing me plays that have zero malicious intent. None of those plays are hurting anyone. What Bogut did can.

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 02:17 PM
Asking to see it doesn't make you a tool, but essentially calling people liars does. You could have said "Can link link it? Because I don't ever recall seeing anything like that." instead of "Can you guys find evidence of what you're saying or are you just going to pretend that we take your word for it?"

Where does that imply I think you're lying? I just want to see some evidence of said dirty plays.

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 02:23 PM
Where do you see one that involves pulling someone's arm the way Bogut did? You're showing me plays that have zero malicious intent. None of those plays are hurting anyone. What Bogut did can.

You mean like clotheslining someone? Pinning someone's arm is a no call, so natural movements resulting from that are also a no call. Patterson moved toward the rim and it brought his arm up to clothesline Stuckey.

Bogut's arm pin was legal so keeping his arm down, even if it was forcefully, is a natural movement and a no call. You're ascribing intent to Bogut's move because you have already decided he's dirty.

FlashBolt
04-22-2016, 02:26 PM
You mean like clotheslining someone? Pinning someone's arm is a no call, so natural movements resulting from that are also a no call. Patterson moved toward the rim and it brought his arm up to clothesline Stuckey.

Bogut's arm pin was legal so keeping his arm down, even if it was forcefully, is a natural movement and a no call. You're ascribing intent to Bogut's move because you have already decided he's dirty.

Do you not see the two different stances? One is battling for position and the other had no position. You tell me which one makes sense here.

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 02:31 PM
Do you not see the two different stances? One is battling for position and the other had no position. You tell me which one makes sense here.

You're grasing at straws. Patterson HELD THE DEFENDER in place forcing the defense to switch on the ballhandler, then clotheslined him. But that's "battling for position"? How about Bogut was "falling" and was simply trying to keep his balance?

Vee-Rex
04-22-2016, 02:50 PM
Bismack Biyombo pinning Myles Turner, no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack1_zps8b0jawhs.jpg
Bismack pinning Myles Turner again, no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack2_zps0p9fbux7.jpg
Bismack using that 2nd pin to hold Turner down while he jumps over him for the rebound:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/bismack2b_zps9ob1vohh.jpg
Pre pin, Patrick Patterson on Rodney Stuckey:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson1_zpsdwwo9o4a.jpg
Clearly pinning his arm in full view of two referees:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson2_zpsopikvc4l.jpg
Lowry using the Patterson pin to slip the defender, forcing the Pacers to switch:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson3_zps77pqu4qo.jpg
Stuckey trying to free himself:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson4_zpsg9g9o0da.jpg
Patterson also clotheslining Stuckey, again no call:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson5_zpsshuqyyui.jpg
Stuckey retaliating and getting a tech:
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r686/fallenmagus/patterson6_zpsrknifjzy.jpg

Referees are clearly not calling when you pin a man's arm down using your own.

You're comparing simple arm-hooks to the two-handed armbar with a pull in the opposite direction.

You do understand the difference, right?

1. In one, a player is hooking another player's shoulder/arm/body to prevent them from gaining leverage. It keeps guys from jumping high to get rebounds.

2. In the other, a player locks the other player's arm in both arms, and yanks it in the opposite direction, pulling them entirely by the arm.

Every image you posted falls under number 1, not 2. What Bogut did to Howard was not the ordinary position battling that takes place under the basket.

It's astonishing that people don't view number 2 as a dirty play.

europagnpilgrim
04-22-2016, 03:05 PM
He probably should get fined, not suspended, especially in todays protection service league

he didn't throw a punch but that was about as close as it gets on seeing how he tried to dislocate his shoulder out of place and then some, Bogut is the type of player you need in these playoffs, like a new age version of Laimbeer in some aspect, Draymond is the other type, they have like a new soft age Laimbeer Mahorn duo, any team would want that in the playoffs, Rockets have the version in a small guard named Pat Bev

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 03:15 PM
You're comparing simple arm-hooks to the two-handed armbar with a pull in the opposite direction.

You do understand the difference, right?

1. In one, a player is hooking another player's shoulder/arm/body to prevent them from gaining leverage. It keeps guys from jumping high to get rebounds.

2. In the other, a player locks the other player's arm in both arms, and yanks it in the opposite direction, pulling them entirely by the arm.

Every image you posted falls under number 1, not 2. What Bogut did to Howard was not the ordinary position battling that takes place under the basket.

It's astonishing that people don't view number 2 as a dirty play.

One, that is no where near an "armbar". As someone who's been in plenty of armbars in his time, describing that as any kind of joint lock is laughable. The only danger to Howard was if he yanked back while Bogut was still on top of his arm, and that's relatively minimal since all the pressure would be on the contracted arm muscles, not on the joints. Bogut is not Ronda Rousey.

Two, I never said it wasn't dirty. I said it happens in the NBA almost on a per game basis. The only reason people are up in arms over this one in particular is because it's the Warriors.

Three, you're inventing categories that didn't exist before you posted, just to make one bad and the other acceptable. You can pin a player's arm in the NBA. That's what Bogut did. If Howard didn't have the ball it would have been a no call. I'd like to see video of the whole fight for position, because Bogut is clearly on one leg with his body twisted and off balance.

This one is far worse: https://youtu.be/5GjKCqBcVuE?t=17s

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 03:18 PM
If someone could get me the score when this happened, or the time and quarter, so I can look it up.

beasted86
04-22-2016, 03:32 PM
He probably should get fined, not suspended, especially in todays protection service league

he didn't throw a punch but that was about as close as it gets on seeing how he tried to dislocate his shoulder out of place and then some, Bogut is the type of player you need in these playoffs, like a new age version of Laimbeer in some aspect, Draymond is the other type, they have like a new soft age Laimbeer Mahorn duo, any team would want that in the playoffs, Rockets have the version in a small guard named Pat Bev

I agree every team needs that guy. For Miami it was Battier who did old man underhanded plays but it doesn't exclude these guys from being called out.

Regularly I'd shrug it off as a no call or common foul, but unfortunately the league already set a precedence with Love and Olynk.

Scoots
04-22-2016, 03:43 PM
I agree every team needs that guy. For Miami it was Battier who did old man underhanded plays but it doesn't exclude these guys from being called out.

Regularly I'd shrug it off as a no call or common foul, but unfortunately the league already set a precedence with Love and Olynk.

What did the league do to Love when he did it to Olynyk?

Or is it only when someone gets injured?

rhino17
04-22-2016, 03:44 PM
I think what Draymond did to Beasly was a lot worse. He literally performed a wrestling move on him and threw him on the floor

Bogut reminds me a lot of someone like Bruce Bowen. No discernible basketball skill, so he always attempts to make up for it by trying to injure his opponent. Anything cheap to give him an edge. Thats the only way scrubs like him can stick around in the league.

nastynice
04-22-2016, 03:54 PM
Where do you see one that involves pulling someone's arm the way Bogut did? You're showing me plays that have zero malicious intent. None of those plays are hurting anyone. What Bogut did can.

lmao, as I was reading they the thread I was gonna tell Indy don't spend time finding stuff unless beforehand u get a straight forward confirmation that ur points will not be side stepped. Too late, lol. Now u learned ur lesson Indy, I love that heat of the moment bravado that gets people to say "show me" so confidently, and when they are shown instead of shuttin up they come back with some sorry excuse like "but boguts intent was malicious", lmaooo.

IndyRealist
04-22-2016, 04:03 PM
I think what Draymond did to Beasly was a lot worse. He literally performed a wrestling move on him and threw him on the floor

Bogut reminds me a lot of someone like Bruce Bowen. No discernible basketball skill, so he always attempts to make up for it by trying to injure his opponent. Anything cheap to give him an edge. Thats the only way scrubs like him can stick around in the league.

Bogut's a pretty brilliant big man and has a versatile post up game. If he hadn't spent his peak years injured he'd probably be a max contract player right now.

Scoots
04-22-2016, 04:06 PM
Bogut reminds me a lot of someone like Bruce Bowen. No discernible basketball skill

The only skill Bogut lacks is scoring. He has nerve damage in his arm so his shot is just nearly random. He's a great man defender, a great team defender, a good rebounder, a great passer, and a great shot blocker.

Bogut is also "crafty" and occasionally dirty.

I thought we were getting past the point where people think the only skill in basketball is determined by individual points scored.

Scoots
04-22-2016, 04:07 PM
lmao, as I was reading they the thread I was gonna tell Indy don't spend time finding stuff unless beforehand u get a straight forward confirmation that ur points will not be side stepped. Too late, lol. Now u learned ur lesson Indy, I love that heat of the moment bravado that gets people to say "show me" so confidently, and when they are shown instead of shutting the **** up they come back with some sorry excuse like "but boguts intent was malicious", lmaooo.

It is predictable ... I even got a "you first" for a response asking for an example :)

beasted86
04-22-2016, 04:09 PM
What did the league do to Love when he did it to Olynyk?

Or is it only when someone gets injured?

The stars get the star calls. Howard is still a star, Bogut is not. Love is a star, Olynk is not.

No matter how crazy it seems, there has to be some form of order.

beasted86
04-22-2016, 04:16 PM
The only skill Bogut lacks is scoring. He has nerve damage in his arm so his shot is just nearly random. He's a great man defender, a great team defender, a good rebounder, a great passer, and a great shot blocker.

Bogut is also "crafty" and occasionally dirty.

I thought we were getting past the point where people think the only skill in basketball is determined by individual points scored.

Bogut isn't really great at anything. Shot blocking.....maybe. The word great is thrown around way too loosely.

Scoots
04-22-2016, 04:26 PM
Bogut isn't really great at anything. Shot blocking.....maybe. The word great is thrown around way too loosely.

Okay, I generally agree about "great" and I knew that when I was writing it ... I was trying to say that in those areas Bogut is "one of the best in the NBA today". But that said Bogut is a very good rim protector and communicator on D and plays an important role in making the Warriors D very good. On offense the Warriors regularly run the offense through Bogut when he's on the floor and his passing is very good. Last year when Bogut got injured the Warriors really struggled until they figured out how to play without him because he is a lot more than just a good shot blocker.

I wish we could make a definitive scare for superlatives, from Hot Garbage is a 0 to Good being a 6 to Exceptional being a 7 to Great is like a 8 or a 9 and The Best is a 10. If someone could make a scale and we could all just adhere to it we wouldn't have to have this debate again :)

Saddletramp
04-22-2016, 04:30 PM
Bogut isn't really great at anything. Shot blocking.....maybe. The word great is thrown around way too loosely.

Don't forget that he's great at setting illegal screens! And he's great at not getting caught while doing them!

Saddletramp
04-22-2016, 04:32 PM
Okay, I generally agree about "great" and I knew that when I was writing it ... I was trying to say that in those areas Bogut is "one of the best in the NBA today". But that said Bogut is a very good rim protector and communicator on D and plays an important role in making the Warriors D very good. On offense the Warriors regularly run the offense through Bogut when he's on the floor and his passing is very good. Last year when Bogut got injured the Warriors really struggled until they figured out how to play without him because he is a lot more than just a good shot blocker.

I wish we could make a definitive scare for superlatives, from Hot Garbage is a 0 to Good being a 6 to Exceptional being a 7 to Great is like a 8 or a 9 and The Best is a 10. If someone could make a scale and we could all just adhere to it we wouldn't have to have this debate again :)

No, we'd just debate about the scale. Because we're apparently grown men that have nothing better to do.

Scoots
04-22-2016, 05:50 PM
No, we'd just debate about the scale. Because we're apparently grown men that have nothing better to do.

Yup yup. :)

Gander13SM
04-22-2016, 05:53 PM
Every big man does this. All of them.

People need to watch games mores carefully.

CHANGO
04-22-2016, 07:10 PM
Yeah, I think Howard should body slam Curry next time.. because they play each other 4+ times straight then he should be able to do it. He doesn't like him so who cares! Let's get ready to RUUUUMBLLLEEE!


It's playoffs basketball, you are a p****y. Bogut trying to dislocate an elbow just shows his will to win, everyone does that, that's part of the game. Seriously FlashBolt, stop being a p****y.

If Bogut deserves a suspension then every other player deserves to be suspended for grabbing Curry's jersey, HOW DARE ARE THEY TO DO THAT? That's effing dirty, grabbing a players jersey, that's dangerous man.

CHANGO
04-22-2016, 07:14 PM
You're comparing simple arm-hooks to the two-handed armbar with a pull in the opposite direction.

You do understand the difference, right?

1. In one, a player is hooking another player's shoulder/arm/body to prevent them from gaining leverage. It keeps guys from jumping high to get rebounds.

2. In the other, a player locks the other player's arm in both arms, and yanks it in the opposite direction, pulling them entirely by the arm.

Every image you posted falls under number 1, not 2. What Bogut did to Howard was not the ordinary position battling that takes place under the basket.

It's astonishing that people don't view number 2 as a dirty play.

Thank you.

Allphakenny1
04-22-2016, 08:29 PM
I think what Draymond did to Beasly was a lot worse. He literally performed a wrestling move on him and threw him on the floor

Bogut reminds me a lot of someone like Bruce Bowen. No discernible basketball skill, so he always attempts to make up for it by trying to injure his opponent. Anything cheap to give him an edge. Thats the only way scrubs like him can stick around in the league.

So basically, Patrick Beverly!

Allphakenny1
04-22-2016, 08:34 PM
Don't forget that he's great at setting illegal screens! And he's great at not getting caught while doing them!

He is good, but he is not James Harden great at getting away with illegal stuff.

Saddletramp
04-22-2016, 08:45 PM
He is good, but he is not James Harden great at getting away with illegal stuff.

No, he's better than Harden. Notice how when the Warriors don't swipe at the ball they don't foul him? They did it last year and have done the best job of any team in the league since Kerr took over. Harden figured out a way to draw more fouls by holding the ball out. Kerr figured out that if you don't swipe, you don't get called for a foul.



Pay attention, this has been gone over before.

Raps18-19 Champ
04-22-2016, 08:49 PM
It's that how Love got injured?

Allphakenny1
04-22-2016, 08:50 PM
No, he's better than Harden. Notice how when the Warriors don't swipe at the ball they don't foul him? They did it last year and have done the best job of any team in the league since Kerr took over. Harden figured out a way to draw more fouls by holding the ball out. Kerr figured out that if you don't swipe, you don't get called for a foul.



Pay attention, this has been gone over before.

So when someone hits all ball and Hardens head whips back like he was in a car accident, that is just him knowing how to draw a foul? Maybe you need to pay attention more!

Saddletramp
04-22-2016, 08:56 PM
So when someone hits all ball and Hardens head whips back like he was in a car accident, that is just him knowing how to draw a foul? Maybe you need to pay attention more!

That doesn't happen very often and sometimes he legit gets fouled and it isn't called because the refs hear the rumbling of people like you who don't know what they're talking about.

Pay attention.

Allphakenny1
04-22-2016, 09:11 PM
That doesn't happen very often and sometimes he legit gets fouled and it isn't called because the refs hear the rumbling of people like you who don't know what they're talking about.

Pay attention.

Most of Bogut's screens are legal, the illegal ones do not happen as often as you claim. Curry gets far less respect from the officials than Harden and he is miles better as a player so do not complain about missed calls. Learn the game before you talk ****!

Scoots
04-22-2016, 09:45 PM
Punks talking S up in here.

Saddletramp
04-22-2016, 10:06 PM
Most of Bogut's screens are legal, the illegal ones do not happen as often as you claim. Curry gets far less respect from the officials than Harden and he is miles better as a player so do not complain about missed calls. Learn the game before you talk ****!

And most of the illegal ones don't get called.

Nikeman
04-22-2016, 10:43 PM
Most of Bogut's screens are legal, the illegal ones do not happen as often as you claim. Curry gets far less respect from the officials than Harden and he is miles better as a player so do not complain about missed calls. Learn the game before you talk ****!

No. This statement is just so wrong. Stephen Curry shoots plenty of Free throws for being just a shooter. The amount of times I've seen Steph curry barely get touched, finish a layup and an and 1 is beyond ridiculous. The amount of times he shoots, just falls or flops in air and gets a foul is also beyond ridiculous, he gets plenty of love from NBA officials. It's like the NBA knows he has glass ankles and has told officials to protect him from contact. Harden always flops like a fish out of water, but he does get fouled, he just highly exaggerates the foul. His game is much much different from Currys, you cannot compare the two.

Nikeman
04-22-2016, 10:45 PM
Anywho, on a completely separate note,

I just LOVE how the NBA comes back and releases a statement saying they missed an offensive foul call on Harden, and yet NOTHING but a slap on the wrist for GS.

The malicious intent of Bogut doesn't even get noticed by the NBA, and Draymond Green got a flagrant for an NFL tackle which didn't even get called. A flagrant which has absolutely no impact on future games. It's like the NBA is enabling these guys to do whatever they want. The Bogut thing going unnoticed is beyond sad. Jelly Olnyk was suspended for literally the same move on Kevin Love, the only difference is Love actually got injured.

It's pathetic that a player needs to get injured for the NBA to do some Thing about it. This Bogut arm bar was malicious and has no business in the NBA. And I personally hate Dwight, I think he is a weak little *****, but he had every right to be pissed.

Saddletramp
04-22-2016, 11:00 PM
I saw Jelly Olnyk open for Def Leppard back in '92. Really thought they were gonna make it.

Allphakenny1
04-22-2016, 11:17 PM
No. This statement is just so wrong. Stephen Curry shoots plenty of Free throws for being just a shooter. The amount of times I've seen Steph curry barely get touched, finish a layup and an and 1 is beyond ridiculous. The amount of times he shoots, just falls or flops in air and gets a foul is also beyond ridiculous, he gets plenty of love from NBA officials. It's like the NBA knows he has glass ankles and has told officials to protect him from contact. Harden always flops like a fish out of water, but he does get fouled, he just highly exaggerates the foul. His game is much much different from Currys, you cannot compare the two.

False! Curry gets less respect from the officials than any superstar in the last 20 years easily. You are making up all of these and 1s as they do not exist. Also, if you call him just a shooter then you need to stop posting as he is one of the best players at getting to the rim in the league. Just because he floats the ball or kisses it off the top of the glass and does not dunk it, does not mean he is not driving it in. You are showing a clear bias here if you say otherwise. I can admit the Warriors get away with moving screens, but if you cannot admit they equally get screwed on missed fouls driving to the hoop then you are straight up wrong.

CluTcH_c1tY
04-22-2016, 11:20 PM
The only skill Bogut lacks is scoring. He has nerve damage in his arm so his shot is just nearly random. He's a great man defender, a great team defender, a good rebounder, a great passer, and a great shot blocker.

Bogut is also "crafty" and occasionally dirty.

I thought we were getting past the point where people think the only skill in basketball is determined by individual points scored.
He's also a POS that needs to be checked. I hope they send in Montrez Harrell or hell have Dwight fore arm shiver him to let him know that stuff will not fly. Bogut was by far my most hated player in the league before this series even started. Cheap and dirty!

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CluTcH_c1tY
04-22-2016, 11:36 PM
False! Curry gets less respect from the officials than any superstar in the last 20 years easily. You are making up all of these and 1s as they do not exist. Also, if you call him just a shooter then you need to stop posting as he is one of the best players at getting to the rim in the league. Just because he floats the ball or kisses it off the top of the glass and does not dunk it, does not mean he is not driving it in. You are showing a clear bias here if you say otherwise. I can admit the Warriors get away with moving screens, but if you cannot admit they equally get screwed on missed fouls driving to the hoop then you are straight up wrong.
I can agree with the Curry treatment he doesn't get "alot" of star calls from refs. But what I disagree with us the screens that Bogut and Green set that are illegal. Yes some are legal but alot of them are illegal. The modern NBA is joke now compared to 80s-90s basketball and I feel it's only going to get worse to enable more scoring.

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Scoots
04-22-2016, 11:55 PM
I can agree with the Curry treatment he doesn't get "alot" of star calls from refs. But what I disagree with us the screens that Bogut and Green set that are illegal. Yes some are legal but alot of them are illegal. The modern NBA is joke now compared to 80s-90s basketball and I feel it's only going to get worse to enable more scoring.

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Do you think there were fewer illegal screens in the 80s and 90s?

Allphakenny1
04-22-2016, 11:58 PM
I can agree with the Curry treatment he doesn't get "alot" of star calls from refs. But what I disagree with us the screens that Bogut and Green set that are illegal. Yes some are legal but alot of them are illegal. The modern NBA is joke now compared to 80s-90s basketball and I feel it's only going to get worse to enable more scoring.

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It sounds like we are not that far off on our opinions of officiating today. My big difference is that wasn't the 80s and 90s more physical so more of that stuff was allowed than today. Yes, more should be called today according to the rules, but more is called now than back in the days.

Scoots
04-23-2016, 12:48 AM
Uh oh, need to suspend Drummond https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDEkc4CI5oA

beasted86
04-23-2016, 03:46 AM
Uh oh, need to suspend Drummond https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDEkc4CI5oA

I don't understand why you say that like that's not a clearly dirty play.

That should have been reviewed and assessed a flagrant 1 or 2. I'm undecided which until I see more replays.

Monta is beast
04-23-2016, 06:19 AM
Yes, Bogut knew what he was doing. He's a dirty player that does this type of thing every game and moves/grabs on half of the screens he sets.

I would think this warrants a suspension based on history with Olynk, but the NBA clearly coddles the Warriors and need them to win.

Na we dont need bogut to handle the rockets

Monta is beast
04-23-2016, 06:21 AM
He's also a POS that needs to be checked. I hope they send in Montrez Harrell or hell have Dwight fore arm shiver him to let him know that stuff will not fly. Bogut was by far my most hated player in the league before this series even started. Cheap and dirty!

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I dont think he cares honestly. Same way the bad boyz dont care. Do whatever to win..ill take that over whatever the hell your team is about.

Monta is beast
04-23-2016, 06:24 AM
No. This statement is just so wrong. Stephen Curry shoots plenty of Free throws for being just a shooter. The amount of times I've seen Steph curry barely get touched, finish a layup and an and 1 is beyond ridiculous. The amount of times he shoots, just falls or flops in air and gets a foul is also beyond ridiculous, he gets plenty of love from NBA officials. It's like the NBA knows he has glass ankles and has told officials to protect him from contact. Harden always flops like a fish out of water, but he does get fouled, he just highly exaggerates the foul. His game is much much different from Currys, you cannot compare the two.

Cause curry never tries to get fouled. Hes always looking to score. I dont think ive ever seen steph flop and i watch every game. To say steph gets the same whistle as lebron, harden, cp3 etc is not true. Your just hatin and you can tell by the tone of your post

Monta is beast
04-23-2016, 06:25 AM
Just a shooter? Curry has the highest fg% of any player under 6'8 in the league, will probably be on an all defensive team and averages over 5 boards a game

Gander13SM
04-23-2016, 06:28 AM
LOL. Houston fans talking about dirty plays as if Beverley isn't on their roster. Come on.

Every elite defender does a little dirt.

And this arm bar thing is common. Watch more games. Pay attention to the bigs. They do this ALL the time. Every damn one. Including Dwight btw Houston posse

Monta is beast
04-23-2016, 06:30 AM
No, he's better than Harden. Notice how when the Warriors don't swipe at the ball they don't foul him? They did it last year and have done the best job of any team in the league since Kerr took over. Harden figured out a way to draw more fouls by holding the ball out. Kerr figured out that if you don't swipe, you don't get called for a foul.



Pay attention, this has been gone over before.

Like how harden throws himself into you at the 3 pt line. Your *****ing about something every single team to ever play the game has done, set illegal screens, he might do it more than others but if he doesnt get caught its a skill not being dirty. Yall are just haters

Gander13SM
04-23-2016, 06:30 AM
Also I really have to wonder how many of you know what is and isn't illegal in regards to screening.

Amin Elhassan said it best; "Every team sets illegal screens, the difference is they're doing it for the best shooters in the world. Your team is doing it for scrubs"

The only reason it's more noticeable is because of the points they get from them.

Monta is beast
04-23-2016, 06:34 AM
And if you wanna talk about dirty how about ariza trying to kill klay thompson last year..did we just forget about thay

ewing
04-23-2016, 08:07 AM
Suspended? he should be castrated

Saddletramp
04-23-2016, 11:34 AM
Also I really have to wonder how many of you know what is and isn't illegal in regards to screening.

Amin Elhassan said it best; "Every team sets illegal screens, the difference is they're doing it for the best shooters in the world. Your team is doing it for scrubs"

The only reason it's more noticeable is because of the points they get from them.

Seems to me that they don't need those screens to get open then. And so that guy is basically saying everyone in the league that's not on the Warriors are scrubs? Man, I've never seen a more cocky fan base rise up mainly because one guy hits threes at a crazy level the last few years in a system designed to get him open off of illegal screens. Just another reason to rioll my eyes at them.


And if you wanna talk about dirty how about ariza trying to kill klay thompson last year..did we just forget about thay

Lol. Sure, go back to last year on a play that wasn't even dirty against multiple things in just this series. Oh, it's Monta posting. Never mind/waste of time.

Monta is beast
04-23-2016, 11:57 AM
Seems to me that they don't need those screens to get open then. And so that guy is basically saying everyone in the league that's not on the Warriors are scrubs? Man, I've never seen a more cocky fan base rise up mainly because one guy hits threes at a crazy level the last few years in a system designed to get him open off of illegal screens. Just another reason to rioll my eyes at them.



Lol. Sure, go back to last year on a play that wasn't even dirty against multiple things in just this series. Oh, it's Monta posting. Never mind/waste of time.

Na i juat think your a clown *** dude who cant handle his team getting molly whopped so your making up some bs exscuses as to why. And you clearly hate the warriors, so by nature your hating on them. Its good human nature to hate on the best.

Like draymond said "if they aint hatin, you aint doin it right"

Monta is beast
04-23-2016, 11:58 AM
And you see guys closing out with there knee up by a 6'7 dudes head all the time

Saddletramp
04-23-2016, 12:05 PM
Na i juat think your a clown *** dude who cant handle his team getting molly whopped so your making up some bs exscuses as to why. And you clearly hate the warriors, so by nature your hating on them. Its good human nature to hate on the best.

Like draymond said "if they aint hatin, you aint doin it right"

Lol. If you've paid attention, you'd see I've been very critical of the Rockets and I don't think they'd beat the Warriors with or without Curry and with or without the dirty plays.

Jeez, what is it with some of you guys and reading?

Scoots
04-23-2016, 12:15 PM
Lol. If you've paid attention, you'd see I've been very critical of the Rockets and I don't think they'd beat the Warriors with or without Curry and with or without the dirty plays.

Jeez, what is it with some of you guys and reading?

It's not just Warriors fans (or Rockets fans) that don't read :)

Just to clarify, you're not saying an illegal screen is dirty are you? If so then our definition of dirty is getting REALLY weak.

Vinylman
04-23-2016, 12:17 PM
It is funny to watch Houston fans getting upset over a series they had no chance in. Series would have been a sweep if Curry played game 3...

You got what you deserved pairing two pieces of human excrement together to lead a ball club... of course the coward will run away this summer so you will at least have some cap for FA

Scoots
04-23-2016, 01:50 PM
This is exactly what happened to Love last year in the playoffs. No need for that in the league. http://financeseeyou.com/red/images/7.gif
http://financeseeyou.com/red/images/8.gifhttp://financeseeyou.com/red/images/29.gif

No, this is exactly what Love did to Olynyk last year in the playoffs. Then a few minutes later Olynyk did the same thing with a different result to Love.

Oaktown34
04-23-2016, 02:16 PM
Donatas Motiejunas has twice this series done an armbar to Draymon that was worse than the Bogut one. I'm not sure why a team that is so reliant on whistles is complaining so much about calls. Neither teams has been innocent to physical play, but only one team is complaining about it.

JasonJohnHorn
04-23-2016, 11:22 PM
Doesn't look nearly as bad as the Kelly play. Looks more like Bogut is trying to stop the play and prevent Howard from getting control of the ball. Certainly not a 'basketball' play, and I have no issue with these being called as a flagrant, but officials have to be in the right spot to see it.

Scoots
04-23-2016, 11:28 PM
KD should be suspended

Saddletramp
04-24-2016, 01:19 AM
KD should be suspended


You might be right.

As an aside, when I first saw this thread the other day my immediate reaction was (in my best Sammy Jackson impersonation): "Yes he deserves to be suspended and I hope he burns in hell!"

Didn't translate well when I typed it out, though. And since Bogut is an atheist I'm sure he'd just scoff/snarl.

Scoots
04-24-2016, 01:24 AM
You might be right.

As an aside, when I first saw this thread the other day my immediate reaction was (in my best Sammy Jackson impersonation): "Yes he deserves to be suspended and I hope he burns in hell!"

Didn't translate well when I typed it out, though. And since Bogut is an atheist I'm sure he'd just scoff/snarl.

Nah ... they'll get suspended if they go over the limit, but otherwise play on.

nastynice
04-24-2016, 01:46 AM
Anywho, on a completely separate note,

I just LOVE how the NBA comes back and releases a statement saying they missed an offensive foul call on Harden, and yet NOTHING but a slap on the wrist for GS.

The malicious intent of Bogut doesn't even get noticed by the NBA, and Draymond Green got a flagrant for an NFL tackle which didn't even get called. A flagrant which has absolutely no impact on future games. It's like the NBA is enabling these guys to do whatever they want. The Bogut thing going unnoticed is beyond sad. Jelly Olnyk was suspended for literally the same move on Kevin Love, the only difference is Love actually got injured.

It's pathetic that a player needs to get injured for the NBA to do some Thing about it. This Bogut arm bar was malicious and has no business in the NBA. And I personally hate Dwight, I think he is a weak little *****, but he had every right to be pissed.

There was no malicious intent by Bogut, lol, that's why there's nothing to review. If he wanted to hurt Howard on that play, he would have

nastynice
04-24-2016, 01:57 AM
Amin Elhassan said it best; "Every team sets illegal screens, the difference is they're doing it for the best shooters in the world. Your team is doing it for scrubs"

lmaooo!!!

Munkeysuit
04-24-2016, 03:55 AM
That was a foul but so what? everyone that knows basketball knows Bogut is a dirty player.

Saddletramp
04-24-2016, 04:52 AM
That was a foul but so what? everyone that knows basketball knows Bogut is a dirty player.

Not everybody, apparently.

Scoots
04-24-2016, 11:38 AM
Not everybody, apparently.

We can't even agree on what denotes a "dirty player".

nastynice
04-24-2016, 03:22 PM
We can't even agree on what denotes a "dirty player".

lol, for real. It's just bitter haters, too bad no one wanna admit it. Remember the dubs rox series last yr, rox were illegal screening ALL day ALL series, blatant than a mother****er, but how many times did anyone cry about it saying that makes them dirty?

At the end of the day, there is no possible way to define "dirty" to include Bogut and green without at least 80% of the nba also falling under that def. Unless you start saying, but he intended to hurt him, lol, like what are we psychics now? haha

Last year I think as a whole we were pretty quiet and humble. If we get the chip this year, oh watch it, I'm a let it be known!! lmao. The hate and bitterness runs deep. Now I know how lakers and heat fans felt during their lil stretches, hah, feels good :)

IndyRealist
04-24-2016, 04:13 PM
lol, for real. It's just bitter haters, too bad no one wanna admit it. Remember the dubs rox series last yr, rox were illegal screening ALL day ALL series, blatant than a mother****er, but how many times did anyone cry about it saying that makes them dirty?

At the end of the day, there is no possible way to define "dirty" to include Bogut and green without at least 80% of the nba also falling under that def. Unless you start saying, but he intended to hurt him, lol, like what are we psychics now? haha

Last year I think as a whole we were pretty quiet and humble. If we get the chip this year, oh watch it, I'm a let it be known!! lmao. The hate and bitterness runs deep. Now I know how lakers and heat fans felt during their lil stretches, hah, feels good :)

I knew you were going to say that.

nastynice
04-24-2016, 05:48 PM
I knew you were going to say that.

D'oh!! Got me!

Ok, Thinking of a number, 1-100...
:)

eDush
04-24-2016, 07:27 PM
We can't even agree on what denotes a "dirty player".

Beverley is a dirty player. Bogut is not (milker maybe but not dirty) Sound impartial i know but it's how i feel as a fan and i'm sure Westbrook would agree with me on this one :nod:

Monta is beast
04-24-2016, 08:01 PM
A dirty player is someobe who goes out and tries to hurt people. Ive never seen bogut do that, ive never seen beverly do it either. Never seen green do it either. Dellevedova is a dirty player, bowen was a dirty player, lambier was a dirty player, dahntay jones was a dirty player

Scoots
04-24-2016, 08:34 PM
Curry needs to be suspended! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpsEXhNvH_4

nastynice
04-24-2016, 09:13 PM
Beverley is a dirty player. Bogut is not (milker maybe but not dirty) Sound impartial i know but it's how i feel as a fan and i'm sure Westbrook would agree with me on this one :nod:

I don't think bev is dirty. I know he did some unnecessary ****, and it lead to Westbrook injury, but there's no reason to think he had any intention of injuring or possibly injuring Westbrook. Bev is a dog on defense, he doesn't back down from anyone, he's annoying but I like him lol

nastynice
04-24-2016, 09:16 PM
A dirty player is someobe who goes out and tries to hurt people. Ive never seen bogut do that, ive never seen beverly do it either. Never seen green do it either. Dellevedova is a dirty player, bowen was a dirty player, lambier was a dirty player, dahntay jones was a dirty player


I'm on the fence about Delly. He's more erratic than anything, but tbh part of me feels like he also kinda does it hoping the other player would think either let Delly have the ball or possibly get injured. I'd have to see him do that a few more times before I feel I could say he's straight up dirty

ewing
04-25-2016, 04:43 PM
Andrew Bynum should totally be suspended

jason
04-26-2016, 11:56 PM
Kyle Lowry is dirty!!!!

nastynice
04-27-2016, 01:44 AM
Kyle Lowry is dirty!!!!

No, but he wasn't being "mean" when he did it. Bogut was being "mean"!

I think nba players should be required to take etiquette classes, that way this soft jump shooting team wouldn't be so mean!

Saddletramp
04-27-2016, 03:32 AM
You guys are a bunch of homers. Bogut is dirty. Admit it and move along.

Monta is beast
04-27-2016, 04:01 AM
Like i said dirty is intentionally trying to hurt someone never seen bogut do that, therefor i dont think hes dirty.

ewing
04-27-2016, 08:58 AM
No, but he wasn't being "mean" when he did it. Bogut was being "mean"!

I think nba players should be required to take etiquette classes, that way this soft jump shooting team wouldn't be so mean!

**** that just put them in Gitmo. We shouldn't tolerate guys getting even the least bit emotional or feisty when they are playing the same team 7 times in a week to determine which team's season ends.

Scoots
04-27-2016, 11:49 AM
**** that just put them in Gitmo. We shouldn't tolerate guys getting even the least bit emotional or feisty when they are playing the same team 7 times in a week to determine which team's season ends.

That's a good point. We should get rid of the series and just have a FT shooting contest to determine the winner. All of this emotion just leads to bullying, and we all know bullying is worse than a boot to the head!

lol, please
04-28-2016, 02:18 AM
:facepalm:

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