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RedSoxtober
04-18-2016, 10:17 PM
Game 1: Kelly (1-0, 10.13ERA) vs Smyly (0-2, 4.61ERA)
Game 2: Porcello (2-0, 5.11ERA) vs Archer (0-3, 5.87ERA)
Game 3: Price (2-0, 4.50ERA) vs Odorizzi (0-1, 2.41ERA)

BoSox47
04-19-2016, 01:00 PM
Sox are 6-6 unfortunately, not 6-5.

RedSoxtober
04-19-2016, 03:16 PM
Sox are 6-6 unfortunately, not 6-5.

Thanks for catching the typo.

Bo Sox Fan
04-19-2016, 07:53 PM
Joe Kelly forced to leave the game without completing the 1st inning. Maxed out at 94 MPH, and only did that once.

#TommyJohnSurgery
#RedSoxRotation
#WorldSeriesBound

Vincent33
04-19-2016, 10:42 PM
Let's see, no runs and 1 hit? That's all we got? One goddamn hit?

Bo Sox Fan
04-19-2016, 10:56 PM
Even though the sample size is getting larger and the team is back in the basement of the AL East after tonight's loss, it's still early.

I wouldn't Fire Farrel just yet, if anything I'd extend him. Give him time he'll figure it out. He's only spent the last 2 seasons in last place and carried it over into this 3rd straight season, but he'll figure it out guys c'mon. "It's early."

bosox1899
04-19-2016, 11:21 PM
Even though the sample size is getting larger and the team is back in the basement of the AL East after tonight's loss, it's still early.

I wouldn't Fire Farrel just yet, if anything I'd extend him. Give him time he'll figure it out. He's only spent the last 2 seasons in last place and carried it over into this 3rd straight season, but he'll figure it out guys c'mon. "It's early."

I thought you were serious for a second there. They need to get rid of him and barnes. Im tired of these prospects turning into busts. Mookie betts needa to start hitting soon. All he does is strike out it seems

RedSoxtober
04-20-2016, 09:18 AM
First of all, I take back what I said about Barnes. He IS throwing like crap. Or maybe I should say that he's just throwing and not pitching. Over the last week opponents are hitting .500/.583/1.000 against him in three appearances. With the BP pitching the whole game yesterday there's no doubt that they're going to PAW for another fresh arm and Barnes has got to be the odd man out.


Joe Kelly forced to leave the game without completing the 1st inning. Maxed out at 94 MPH, and only did that once.

#TommyJohnSurgery
#RedSoxRotation
#WorldSeriesBound
With the way that he was stretching his back/shoulder it didn't look like TJ from the cheap seats.


Even though the sample size is getting larger and the team is back in the basement of the AL East after tonight's loss, it's still early.

I wouldn't Fire Farrel just yet, if anything I'd extend him. Give him time he'll figure it out. He's only spent the last 2 seasons in last place and carried it over into this 3rd straight season, but he'll figure it out guys c'mon. "It's early."

I'm not going to defend Farrell but it does seem a bit over the top to lay much of their recent run on him. Uehara and Kimbrell both not executing on the same day is not really Farrell's fault (he contributed a bit in wearing down Koji). He didn't cause Ortiz to strikeout to end the same game when the tying run was on base and he represented the winning run (or cause him to continue his ways in striking out 3 times last night). Farrell can't help the guys get more than one hit in a game or twelve over the last three. He's made some crappy, weird decisions but recently the problems lie primarily with the guys that he's managing.

This season is sure as hell frustrating. Watching the Sox put up MLB2K offense the first week made it seem like they might fight their way into something if their pitching picked up. Now that narrative has flipped entirely on its head. These guys are in serious need of a team identity... and for that you can blame Farrell.

Station 13
04-20-2016, 09:59 AM
Where is the offense? Seriously shake the damn lineup.

Pedroia and Bogaerts are SLG around .300 each, how much longer is Bogaerts going to hit in the 3hole?

Bo Sox Fan
04-20-2016, 10:01 AM
When Buchholz goes down here soon (he always does when he starts to look good) Kelly out, Edro back... I'll be a little more optimistic with a complete rotation overhaul of youth.

The way it's going, I wouldn't be surprised to see Wright start to stumble his next few outings. He's been uncharacteristicly great and history shows that definitely won't continue. In 2 weeks I'm seeing:

L Price
L Rodriguez
R Porcelain bag
L Owens
L Johnson (Wright to the pen)

DL Kelly
DL Buchholz

Lackeyfan41
04-20-2016, 04:31 PM
When Buchholz goes down here soon (he always does when he starts to look good) Kelly out, Edro back... I'll be a little more optimistic with a complete rotation overhaul of youth.

The way it's going, I wouldn't be surprised to see Wright start to stumble his next few outings. He's been uncharacteristicly great and history shows that definitely won't continue. In 2 weeks I'm seeing:

L Price
L Rodriguez
R Porcelain bag
L Owens
L Johnson (Wright to the pen)

DL Kelly
DL Buchholz
Don't discount Wright so quickly, he has looked great.

Soxfan85
04-20-2016, 08:46 PM
If lead holds Porcello will be 3-0 with 3.63 ERA down from 5.11 ERA. I really do believe Vazquez was the source. I mean who knew Porcello would be 3-0?

papipapsmanny
04-20-2016, 08:56 PM
Also Porcello isn't usually what he was last season..... Doesn't mean he isn't overpaid.

But a 4.00 FIP 3.75 ERA isn't unusual for him.

I know its early but is Ortiz sure he needs to retire this season?

RedSoxtober
04-21-2016, 08:55 AM
Since Porcello came back from the DL at the end of August, having spent a few weeks getting back to working the bottom of the strike zone instead of trying to get the strikeouts that mark an "ace", he's 7-4, 3.52ERA, .248/.296/.418 and has pitched at least 6IP in every start (11 GS). The interesting coincidence is that by getting back to what made him effective -- inducing GB over strikeouts -- he's actually increased his k-rate (76.2IP/81K/14BB). He's got 7 or more strikeouts in six consecutive starts dating back to last year.

(1) All the Porcelblow and Porcellain comments are pretty ridiculous in light of what he's actually doing. His track record and trajectory are much more in line with what he's done since 8/26/15 onward than what he was doing between 4/8 and 7/29 last year.

(2) It's hardly a coincidence that CV stepped onto the field and the pitching staff suddenly started pitching. They've got a 2.67ERA in his starts. The effect is most obvious with Buchholz and Porcello and that makes sense: both are GB pitchers who need confidence working the bottom of the strike zone.

(3) No offense to Swihart fans, but the great difference between the impact of the catchers working with the pitching staff completely overwhelms the potential difference between the impact of their bats. It's not even close. I'm fine letting him progress but I don't see him ever eclipsing Vazquez as the primary catcher. Assuming that his bat can exceed what he did last year (final line, not the strong second half numbers) then having multiple positions will be an asset.

RedSoxtober
04-21-2016, 09:07 AM
The good news for Bogaerts and the Red Sox was that, after the game, the shortstop didn’t feel like the injury would be something that would sideline him for long.

“I mean if I feel the same way I feel right now I probably will,” he said when asked if he planned on playing Thursday. “If John [Farrell] wants to put me in the lineup I’ll be ready to go if i’m feeling the same way I feel right now.”weei.com

RedSoxtober
04-21-2016, 05:35 PM
**** you Farrell. Tied in the 8th and you stick with the kid in his first MLB appearance? **** you

RedSoxtober
04-21-2016, 05:43 PM
Koji warms up on a day in which he's not supposed to be used and you DON'T use him? Kimbrell watches with the game on the line in the 9th? Seriously, WTF?

Bo Sox Fan
04-21-2016, 06:01 PM
I've pretty much had it with baseball already until that clown is fired. I feel like I just keep repeating myself with negativity against this team 3-4 days a week and it's no fun. Watching Red Sox baseball in general isn't fun, hasn't been for a few years now.

Onto football season where winning is the only option under Belichick or else heads role. They find a way.

-Lavigne43-
04-21-2016, 06:02 PM
I didn't see the game, but I am completely perplexed as to why Cuevas was pitching in the 8th inning. Farrell is horrendous at managing a bullpen.

Soxfan85
04-21-2016, 06:14 PM
@bradfo
Farrell said number of relievers unavailable today, why Cuevas was kept in. Koji would only appear if had lead

Station 13
04-21-2016, 06:51 PM
Ramirez is useless.

Layne and Ross are also kinda redundant. Being specialist they waste roster already.

Station 13
04-21-2016, 06:52 PM
**** you Farrell. Tied in the 8th and you stick with the kid in his first MLB appearance? **** you

Farrell need to be relieve of duty ASAP.

bosox1899
04-21-2016, 09:25 PM
I can't stand this team, especially jackie. The guy sucks and never comes through in the clutch. Every single time they have the bases loaded and less than 2 outs they fail. I've been saying it for years now. These guys are gutless, going down looking multiple times this season with RISP. Get rid if Farrell, jbjr, Barnes, and noe ramirez to start

Bo Sox Fan
04-22-2016, 09:53 AM
10-5 could easily be the record had the season turned over with Lovullo still as manager.

RedSoxtober
04-22-2016, 11:08 AM
FWIW, April is historically Price's worst month of the season. Not this bad but at least there's precedent for thinking that he will get better.


I can't stand this team, especially jackie. The guy sucks and never comes through in the clutch. Every single time they have the bases loaded and less than 2 outs they fail. I've been saying it for years now. These guys are gutless, going down looking multiple times this season with RISP. Get rid if Farrell, jbjr, Barnes, and noe ramirez to start

Maybe I'm not tracking quite right here but JBJ is hitting .412/.429/.706 with the bases loaded in his career.

Overall they are pretty lackluster with the bases loaded though. .111/.100/.444 (WTF their OBP is worse than their average?!) this season so far.

Pittz
04-22-2016, 11:49 AM
^ they must have no walks and one sac fly.

RedSoxtober
04-22-2016, 11:57 AM
[With Young 2-for-9 against lefties], Thursday, Farrell adjusts, letting Shaw hit against Tampa Bay lefty Xavier Cedeno, and it pays off. The left-handed-hitting third baseman ripped a game-tying double in the seventh inning. So, now, the manager still has Young on his bench but chooses to bypass pinch-hitting him for lefty-hitting Jackie Bradley Jr. with the bases loaded and one out and Cedeno still pitching. That move doesn't pay off, as Bradley strikes out.

Young ultimately pinch-hits for Bradley, but only in the ninth inning when the Red Sox already are trailing by four runs.

The moral of the story is Farrell has to figure out what he has in Shaw, Young and Bradley when the late-inning opportunities arise against lefty specialists. There are other skill sets to decipher, as well, such what the likes of relievers Noe Ramirez, Heath Hembree, Robbie Ross Jr. and Barnes can deliver in key spots.weei.com

bosox1899
04-22-2016, 03:09 PM
FWIW, April is historically Price's worst month of the season. Not this bad but at least there's precedent for thinking that he will get better.



Maybe I'm not tracking quite right here but JBJ is hitting .412/.429/.706 with the bases loaded in his career.

Overall they are pretty lackluster with the bases loaded though. .111/.100/.444 (WTF their OBP is worse than their average?!) this season so far.

Ok yea he does decent with the bases loaded surprisingly but if you look at every other situation he sucks. RISP sucks, RISP w/ 2outs sucks, offense in general sucks.

JBJR Stats (Ok yea he does decent with the bases loaded surprisingly but if you look at every other situation he sucks. RISP sucks, RISP w/ 2outs sucks, offense in general sucks…his defense isn’t even enough to overcome his crap offense. Early in the season I saw him try to throw out runners at the plate and he threw it halfway up the first base line.)

his defense isn’t even enough to overcome his crap offense. Early in the season I saw him try to throw out runners at the plate and he threw it halfway up the first base line.

RedSoxtober
04-22-2016, 03:33 PM
his defense isn’t even enough to overcome his crap offense. Early in the season I saw him try to throw out runners at the plate and he threw it halfway up the first base line.

Even before you posted I was thinking that his current offense will create an interesting discussion on his perception in "Red Sox Nation". There was some talk around here over the last few years that he could be valuable if he could hit only .250/.320/.400 or so. He is a bit below that (further off in power than avg/obp) but not so much that you can't imagine him getting there over the next 90% of the season that remains. I guess that we'll find out if that was just happy talk or actual conviction.

bosox1899
04-22-2016, 03:48 PM
Even before you posted I was thinking that his current offense will create an interesting discussion on his perception in "Red Sox Nation". There was some talk around here over the last few years that he could be valuable if he could hit only .250/.320/.400 or so. He is a bit below that (further off in power than avg/obp) but not so much that you can't imagine him getting there over the next 90% of the season that remains. I guess that we'll find out if that was just happy talk or actual conviction.

I can live with him hitting .260 or higher, but I just don't see it happening. I suppose he's good enough now until benintendi is ready.

fwiw, that link i posted was a fail. here's what i meant to post...

http://in.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/9338/situational;_ylt=AkeH9ZD9pmcetqK5S2wfBliFCLcF?year =career&type=Batting

PS why does it say Bo Sox Fan in your response to my comment? Just wondering

RedSoxtober
04-25-2016, 12:17 AM
PS why does it say Bo Sox Fan in your response to my comment? Just wondering

Weird issue with multiquote on the site. Most likely I had some old posts quoted along with yours because of it and I didn't realize that that was happening b/c I was cutting out most of your response.