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kdspurman
04-14-2016, 07:33 PM
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Game 1: Saturday, April 16, Indiana at Toronto,12:30 p.m., ESPN
Game 2: Monday, April 18, Indiana at Toronto, 7 p.m., NBA TV
Game 3: Thursday, April 21, Toronto at Indiana, 7:30 p.m.,NBA TV
Game 4: Saturday, April 23, Toronto at Indiana, 3 p.m., TNT
Game 5*: Tuesday, April 26, Indiana at Toronto, TBD
Game 6*: Friday, April 29, Toronto at Indiana, TBD
Game 7*: Sunday, May 1, Indiana at Toronto, TBD

*If Necessary


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SensandRaps
04-14-2016, 07:40 PM
need to shut down george and turner, yes i know raps have done a good job vs george in the season but playoffs are completely different

hopefully the raps can take it in 4-5 so we can give demare more rest but im expecting it to go to 6

Scoots
04-14-2016, 09:08 PM
Pacers won the first game and lost the next 3 in the season ... I think that's telling.

Raps in 5 ... but could go the other way if the Pacers play all in and Vogel makes the right moves.

JasonJohnHorn
04-14-2016, 09:52 PM
The Pacers have the best player in the series, and a coach with more playoff experience. Also.. the Raptor's primary scorer is inefficient.


That said.. I think the Raptors have the better team.... I'd favour them, but I think this will be a 6 or 7 game series and could go either way. Leaning toward and pulling for the Raptors.

lol, please
04-14-2016, 09:59 PM
Let's go Raptors!!!! The fans deserve a title.

I smell an upset in the making.

Kush McDaniels
04-14-2016, 10:25 PM
the Raptors are clearly the better team, but that doesn't mean much given what happened the last couple years. If Lowry doesn't play like complete dog **** again, then it'll be a Raps series win for sure. I picked Raps in 5 because they're capable of it, but I don't feel the least bit confident saying it.

goingfor28
04-14-2016, 11:47 PM
Raps in 5, 6 at most

kobe4thewinbang
04-15-2016, 12:22 AM
Going with Raptors in 5. I think this series will determine what DeRozan does, whether he stays with the team that just had its best season and actually gets out of the first round and will give him a payday, or they'll lose to a resurgent Pacers team and he'll mull it over.

naps
04-15-2016, 12:53 AM
Paul Geroge is capable of winning 2 games in this series.

naps
04-15-2016, 12:54 AM
Crazy how such a promising team in Indiana gone from a contender to an 8th seed. Funny how the 3 players they lost are basically scrubs now on other teams.

FlashBolt
04-15-2016, 01:18 AM
Crazy how such a promising team in Indiana gone from a contender to an 8th seed. Funny how the 3 players they lost are basically scrubs now on other teams.

David West isn't a scrub and Lance Stephenson has been playing pretty well for the Grizzlies (not for the Clippers, though). Hibbert is just a scrub. He's a 7 foot punching bag. This Pacers team can beat the Raptors IMO. I'll give it a 40/60 chance in favor of the Raptors. Pacers are far more experienced in terms of coaching and the best player in this series will probably be able to win them 1-2 games just alone. I don't trust the Raptors, tbh. Both Lowry/DeRozan are two of the worst All-Stars come playoff time. They suck -- bad.

ManningToTyree
04-15-2016, 01:30 AM
Raptors in 6

naps
04-15-2016, 02:25 AM
David West isn't a scrub and Lance Stephenson has been playing pretty well for the Grizzlies (not for the Clippers, though). Hibbert is just a scrub. He's a 7 foot punching bag. This Pacers team can beat the Raptors IMO. I'll give it a 40/60 chance in favor of the Raptors. Pacers are far more experienced in terms of coaching and the best player in this series will probably be able to win them 1-2 games just alone. I don't trust the Raptors, tbh. Both Lowry/DeRozan are two of the worst All-Stars come playoff time. They suck -- bad.

None of them is the same player they used to be in Indiana. Not even remotely close.

DanG
04-15-2016, 02:44 AM
Raptors in 5 or 6.

ewing
04-15-2016, 08:40 AM
hoping the Raps break out this year. Not a big fan of there bigs. I don't like Val though he can score and they seem to have no one at the 4 but i definitely be rooting for them. Raps in 5

R. Johnson#3
04-15-2016, 09:49 AM
There's no stopping Paul George so hopefully Carroll/Powell can limit his damage. Monta Ellis isn't unstoppable though. We really need to smother him and force him into bad shots. If he gets hot he'll keep chucking. If he gets cold he'll keep chucking.

On offense we need to go to JV early and often. Put some points up early or get their bigs in foul trouble early. Preferably the latter because then that will open up some lanes for DeMar to drive in.

I got the Raps in 5.

Pfeifer
04-15-2016, 10:45 AM
Meant to vote raps in 4 but pressed pacers. The struggle is real this morning lol. The raps are better in pretty much every area. I expect JV to have a coming out party in this series.

Vampirate
04-15-2016, 10:51 AM
I think the Raptors in 6, but have the 1st round jitters right now.

canzano55
04-15-2016, 11:51 AM
The Raptors look possessed on D and are coming in to the post season full of confidence.

PGeorge is not going to have a fun time out there this series.

Raps in 4.

Scoots
04-15-2016, 12:30 PM
A healthy Carroll can have a major effect on this series.

jakedajewler
04-15-2016, 12:39 PM
This should be an easy one for the Raps. I got them in 5 games

Sadds The Gr8
04-15-2016, 01:25 PM
God's team in 6.

Kush McDaniels
04-15-2016, 05:38 PM
I'm pretty sure Kyle Lowry is the best player in this series (assuming he's not injured).

Paul George's numbers are more comparable to Demar's (maybe a little better, especially on D).

Aust
04-16-2016, 02:34 AM
Raptors in 7. Indy pushes them to the limit, stealing 1 or 2 along the way.

ghettosean
04-16-2016, 10:43 AM
The Pacers have the best player in the series, and a coach with more playoff experience. Also.. the Raptor's primary scorer is inefficient.


That said.. I think the Raptors have the better team.... I'd favour them, but I think this will be a 6 or 7 game series and could go either way. Leaning toward and pulling for the Raptors.

No no no you can't say that earlier in the year you said we won't make it out of the first round you're going to need to stick to that. You told me to call you out if and when the time comes so I'm here to deliver :D

ghettosean
04-16-2016, 10:48 AM
The Raptors look possessed on D and are coming in to the post season full of confidence.

PGeorge is not going to have a fun time out there this series.

Raps in 4.

I agree but I'm going Raptors in 4 or 5.... I could definitely be a sweep though Toronto's bench is too deep for Indy to handle in my opinion.

eDush
04-16-2016, 10:50 AM
Pacers won the first game and lost the next 3 in the season ... I think that's telling.

Raps in 5 ... but could go the other way if the Pacers play all in and Vogel makes the right moves.

I can see this happening and possibly stretch to 7 games but there is no way either team will sweep yet you see 2 knucklehead homers voting for it on both sides :laugh2:

This will be an interesting series now that George is back and will be the difference maker in this series :nod:

zn23
04-16-2016, 01:18 PM
If the Raps lose in the 1st round again, I hope they don't resign Derozan. Derozan is holding back both Valanciunas and Ross from reaching their potential.

Vee-Rex
04-16-2016, 01:45 PM
This is easily a 6 or 7 game series.

ThunderRoad75
04-16-2016, 01:56 PM
Raptors in 5

Chronz
04-16-2016, 02:02 PM
Holy **** guys. Is it tip off yet

ewing
04-16-2016, 02:08 PM
what planet is israel gutierrez from?

ewing
04-16-2016, 02:10 PM
I talked bad about Val and he is a beast :shrug:

ewing
04-16-2016, 02:37 PM
This game is not moving the needle on PSD

SensandRaps
04-16-2016, 02:38 PM
first game hasnt even finished and i can already tell george is going to be really annoying

zn23
04-16-2016, 02:41 PM
I really dislike Derozan...

ewing
04-16-2016, 02:47 PM
I really dislike Derozan...

starting to wonder if him and Lawson are just choke artists.

D-Leethal
04-16-2016, 02:58 PM
Oh how I would love to see a first round exit for Toronto...

ewing
04-16-2016, 03:03 PM
where's Corey Joseph?

ewing
04-16-2016, 03:04 PM
PG is legit

D-Leethal
04-16-2016, 03:05 PM
Man Paul George has played absolute flawless basketball these past 5-6 minutes. Started with a dish to Stuckey in the corner for 3, drilled 3 or 4 tough jumpers and assisted 2 beauties to Turner right at the rim. Full blown LeBron James mode down the stretch.

valade16
04-16-2016, 03:06 PM
Toronto's top 3 players are 12/45 and 1/10 from deep. Tough to win with those numbers

D-Leethal
04-16-2016, 03:07 PM
Toronto's top 3 players are 12/45 and 1/10 from deep. Tough to win with those numbers

#chokeronto

bucketss
04-16-2016, 03:07 PM
i don't understand why coach keeps derozan/lowry in the game, they literally provide nothing. and why is val on the bench for so long? smh

ewing
04-16-2016, 03:07 PM
Toronto's top 3 players are 12/45 and 1/10 from deep. Tough to win with those numbers

Corey Joseph was by far there best play maker.

mngopher35
04-16-2016, 03:08 PM
Ya pg has had a great second half

ewing
04-16-2016, 03:08 PM
i don't understand why coach keeps derozan/lowry in the game, they literally provide nothing. and why is val on the bench for so long? smh

Val had 5 fouls.

Crackadalic
04-16-2016, 03:09 PM
Raps can do it all in the regular season but they can't get it done in the playoffs.

ewing
04-16-2016, 03:09 PM
he now has 6- thats why he was on the bench

D-Leethal
04-16-2016, 03:10 PM
i don't understand why coach keeps derozan/lowry in the game, they literally provide nothing. and why is val on the bench for so long? smh

PG provided nothing in the first half and then exploded. You gotta live or die with your all stars in the playoffs.

ewing
04-16-2016, 03:12 PM
Very disapointing game for Lowery and DD, Val, jospeh, and Patterson looked good IMO for Toronto. PG carried the Pacers.

Bostonjorge
04-16-2016, 03:12 PM
That's game

Vampirate
04-16-2016, 03:13 PM
Series is probably going to go 7 games, not sure who's going to be on top. The Raptors were just outplayed in the 4th quarter. A lot of their struggles is probably mental right now.

zn23
04-16-2016, 03:15 PM
The Raptors came out flat. They've lost the 1st game of a series the last 3 years and they were all at home.

Crackadalic
04-16-2016, 03:17 PM
Its amazing how good their backcourt is but If they are not playing well the whole team suffers.

Also to note how about Paul George. Dude is back and I'm happy for him

ewing
04-16-2016, 03:19 PM
That's trash basketball :shrug:

Vampirate
04-16-2016, 03:20 PM
How the Raptors respond to this game should speak to how the series is going to go.

Pretty much everyone outside Toronto thinks the Pacers will win the series at this point probably.

basketballkitty
04-16-2016, 03:21 PM
And Derozan said he was a Lebron like talent ??? And wants 5 years and 180 Million on a new deal ??? Hey Lakers...you can have him :-)

bgdreton
04-16-2016, 03:22 PM
Once again the Raps choke man what is up with this team and the playoffs????

Lakers + Giants
04-16-2016, 03:26 PM
In the toronto to the finals thread i said id be surprised if they made it out of the first round, would be even more surprised now...

The only reason i want the raps to make a deep run is so that derozan stays in toronto, or at least away from the lakers. Do not want him at all.

naps
04-16-2016, 03:30 PM
Superstars matter in the playoffs. That's how it works. So happy for Paul Geroge. Dude is awesome.

eDush
04-16-2016, 03:45 PM
Toronto's top 3 players are 12/45 and 1/10 from deep. Tough to win with those numbers

Just like last year :laugh2: ...that's why I voted for the Pacers to win this series cause Paul George is the real deal :nod:

im_cruzin
04-16-2016, 03:56 PM
Outside of strong performances from Patterson and Val, the other bight spots were players we brought in from other teams: Biyombo, Carroll and Joseph. These are all supporting cast, the core is letting us down again. I'm afraid the consistent losing in the playoffs is entrenched in their heads, along with being soft players. If the Raptors don't figure it out, say buh-bye to Derozan and Lowry, start a rebuild and cue the Wiggins to Toronto watch lol. These 2 are supporting casts around alpha players, Derozan is definitely not worth max money!

Dade County
04-16-2016, 04:01 PM
And Derozan said he was a Lebron like talent ??? And wants 5 years and 180 Million on a new deal ??? Hey Lakers...you can have him :-)


In the toronto to the finals thread i said id be surprised if they made it out of the first round, would be even more surprised now...

The only reason i want the raps to make a deep run is so that derozan stays in toronto, or at least away from the lakers. Do not want him at all.


LoL

He's not getting that type of Money from anyone.

KnickNyKnick
04-16-2016, 04:03 PM
same old Raps i see. really thought theyd make it out of the 1st this year. still possible but tough loss..bad start.

bucketss
04-16-2016, 04:13 PM
Outside of strong performances from Patterson and Val, the other bight spots were players we brought in from other teams: Biyombo, Carroll and Joseph. These are all supporting cast, the core is letting us down again. I'm afraid the consistent losing in the playoffs is entrenched in their heads, along with being soft players. If the Raptors don't figure it out, say buh-bye to Derozan and Lowry, start a rebuild and cue the Wiggins to Toronto watch lol. These 2 are supporting casts around alpha players, Derozan is definitely not worth max money!

personally i see wiggins as a derozan type player, i don't trust either in big games...

Kush McDaniels
04-16-2016, 04:59 PM
Uggggh Derozan and Lowry were so disappointing.

Casey is aweful at managing a game. The Raps were clearly better with Cory Joseph on the floor. Ross looked lost on D (as usual). Carroll is clearly still not 100%, but why did Casey let PG rape them for 5 minutes before putting him back in? Powel is a breath of fresh air - I bet Ujiri is regretting extending Ross.

I feel Toronto can still turn it around, but it does look like the same old story. No wonder why the majority of Toronto fans have been cautiously optimistic this year.

Vee-Rex
04-16-2016, 05:51 PM
Let me preface this by saying: Raptors have a great fanbase, and I love the energy the team plays with.

Now, I'll say as I said before - Raptors are not as good as people make them out to be. Why? Because they cannot. get. assists. They are too iso-heavy.

This is a pattern. The Raptors finished last (or 2nd/3rd last) in every single assist category (including assists per possession) along with the Jazz and the Lakers. Outside of Lowry, they don't have players that can pass the ball at all, and they don't have a good offensive system that creates open shots for teammates.

They play fiercely, and the combination of that fierce-style of play and Lowry + Derozan is enough to put up fool's gold in the regular season. But the playoffs is when teams gameplan, it's when each individual is giving 110% each possession, it's when players lock down and play in-your-grill defense. As a result, in the playoffs almost every single shot Lowry and Derozan force is contested and difficult. The playoffs are an ENTIRELY different animal.

It will be a blessing in disguise for the Raps if Derozan leaves in free agency. He is not a good defender, not a good shooter, and can't create plays for his teammates.

I'm not saying this just because of game 1 - I've held this stance even prior to last year's playoffs. I feel this Raptors core has peaked. Changes need to be made for them to take a step to the next level.

Anyway, I know I'm highly critical of the Raptors. Much love for #WeTheNorth. Raptors fans are passionate and deserve a great team. The series is not over, but this next game is a must-win.

Aust
04-16-2016, 06:04 PM
Good start for my prediction.

rocket
04-16-2016, 06:05 PM
lolol

CHANGO
04-16-2016, 07:51 PM
I was trusting the Raps on this one, thinking they were a different team but man... You gotta start thinking that this first loss is going to mess with Lowry's confidence. There's something wrong with him, he just doesn't show up to the big games.

Props to PG tho, let's see how the rest of the series go.

Kush McDaniels
04-16-2016, 09:27 PM
I was trusting the Raps on this one, thinking they were a different team but man... You gotta start thinking that this first loss is going to mess with Lowry's confidence. There's something wrong with him, he just doesn't show up to the big games.

Props to PG tho, let's see how the rest of the series go.

Lowry wasn't looking too good coming down the final stretch of the regular season this year (elbow injury). This scenario happened last year against the Wizards. I think Demar benefits from Lowry's stellar play more than anyone, so I'm not surprised to see him struggle too.

I think if Lowry can't play at his normal high level, Casey is going to have to either play Cory Joseph more, or play CJ alongside Lowry more. The Raps were clearly better with CJ on the floor.

PG is really good, but the Raptors have a habit of making certain types of players seem a lot better than they really are... reminds me of Joe Johnson in the 2014 playoffs.

Casey sucks.

FlashBolt
04-16-2016, 09:54 PM
Told you guys.. Lowry+DeRozan are two of the worst playoff players ever when you consider how huge of a dropoff they go from the regular season. You can't trust this team.

Wade n Fade
04-16-2016, 11:01 PM
Casey has to go. He is a terrible post season coach.

FlashBolt
04-16-2016, 11:27 PM
Casey has to go. He is a terrible post season coach.

Lol? Lowry+DeRozan are terrible postseason players. Superstars can play with or without a coach. These guys should be playing at a high level with or without the coach.

likemystylez
04-16-2016, 11:58 PM
Looks like another dissapointing post season for the raptors. LOL and there was some idiot who said they could come out of the east.... someone told me "dont sleep on the raptors"... looked like a friggin tankfest today

aman_13
04-17-2016, 01:29 AM
Didn't realize the series ended after one game.

eDush
04-17-2016, 02:02 AM
Looks like another dissapointing post season for the raptors. LOL and there was some idiot who said they could come out of the east.... someone told me "dont sleep on the raptors"... looked like a friggin tankfest today

You got to be a big homer to think they would sweep the hot Pacers unless they are idiots like you say. I think they hang around ARod and caught setting bad :laugh2:

R. Johnson#3
04-17-2016, 09:17 AM
The key to this series will be JV and staying out of foul trouble. Yeah he shot terribly yesterday but he did as he pleased on the boards. If JV can keep himself from swatting at balls, which he does way too often, and stay on the floor then we'll be okay.

Tg11
04-17-2016, 03:09 PM
Pacers are taking this series I am calling it they win it in 5 or 6 games tops

mike_noodles
04-17-2016, 03:16 PM
The playoffs are all about exploiting matchups and making adjustments. Casey is bad at both of those things. Unfortunately I don't see this going well for us if the first game is any indicator.

Tg11
04-17-2016, 03:30 PM
Exactly my point the Raptors at best are predictable as they always are in the playoffs they are a regular season team but when it comes down to it in the playoffs when it matters they are choke artists

Kush McDaniels
04-17-2016, 06:41 PM
Pacers are taking this series I am calling it they win it in 5 or 6 games tops

bold prediction after the series already started

FlashBolt
04-18-2016, 12:33 PM
I said it from the start.. Paul George is the only superstar in this series. Lowry+DeRozan are just regular season talents who forget how to play basketball come playoff time. There is no excuse for those two to be that bad. I get the coach blaming but your two best players (All-Stars) don't play that bad because of coaching. Pacers in 7 because I don't think PG ends a game playing that well for four games but wow, this Raptors team is disappointing. DeRozan for Butler or something? Anyone?

bucketss
04-18-2016, 07:24 PM
paul george starting off slow again. lets see if he can pick it up

FlashBolt
04-18-2016, 07:59 PM
Lowry+DeRozan showing why they need to be traded. Not again.. good thing PG having a slow game.

bucketss
04-18-2016, 08:02 PM
what in the world, pacers getting every call.

SensandRaps
04-18-2016, 08:10 PM
Lowry+DeRozan showing why they need to be traded. Not again.. good thing PG having a slow game.

derozan sure but lowry is having a good game

bucketss
04-18-2016, 08:11 PM
valanciunas 19/10 and counting before the half.

bucketss
04-18-2016, 08:13 PM
im just gonna accept the fact paul george is a superstar and will get preferential treatment

ombada
04-18-2016, 08:24 PM
what in the world, pacers getting every call.

We must be watching a different game. Both teams are playing hard, but the Raps are doing some flopping, while the Pacers are taking the hard fouls and home court calls without complaint.

Both teams are playing aggresively though, lots of contact in this series.

LanceUpperCut
04-18-2016, 08:42 PM
We must be watching a different game. Both teams are playing hard, but the Raps are doing some flopping, while the Pacers are taking the hard fouls and home court calls without complaint.

Both teams are playing aggresively though, lots of contact in this series.

It's just JV he can't get a call but everything he touches is.

Bigbadmoffo
04-18-2016, 09:21 PM
They play better without Derozan. Let him walk and sign someone else

Gander13SM
04-18-2016, 09:23 PM
This is one of the better officiated games so far in the post season (I know it's early).

Almost put money on Indiana, glad I didn't.

Bigbadmoffo
04-18-2016, 09:42 PM
I can't agree with that. It favored Indy in the first 2 games but it always evens out over the series.

Gander13SM
04-18-2016, 09:46 PM
I can't agree with that. It favored Indy in the first 2 games but it always evens out over the series.

I don't see how, but fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion I respect that.

R. Johnson#3
04-18-2016, 09:51 PM
They finally went to JV. Casey made adjustments and he actually benched DeMar down the stretch. Casey has learned from last years mistakes.

zn23
04-18-2016, 11:03 PM
Valanciunas is going take over this series as long as he stays out of foul trouble. But some of the fouls he's picked up have been really ticky tack fouls.

FlashBolt
04-18-2016, 11:21 PM
Pacers could really use Hibbert for this series against Valanciunas.. Can't believe I'm saying that.

Jays Claw
04-19-2016, 08:06 AM
We must be watching a different game. Both teams are playing hard, but the Raps are doing some flopping, while the Pacers are taking the hard fouls and home court calls without complaint.

Both teams are playing aggresively though, lots of contact in this series.

Oh don't you worry... :rolleyes:

With the series shifting to Indy I can just imagine all the soft calls Paul George and the Pacers will be getting.

R. Johnson#3
04-19-2016, 08:29 AM
Valanciunas is going take over this series as long as he stays out of foul trouble. But some of the fouls he's picked up have been really ticky tack fouls.

I don't know if by ticky tacky you mean bad calls or stupid fouls on his part. JV commits a lot of stupid fouls. He really only had 1 last night though.

ombada
04-19-2016, 12:42 PM
Oh don't you worry... :rolleyes:

With the series shifting to Indy I can just imagine all the soft calls Paul George and the Pacers will be getting.

yeah im sure that will be the case. Im glad they got the first one, because the Pacers can win this series, but they really need to get more aggressive in the paint. I think taking an early flagrant, AKA a "1990's hard foul," on Lowry or Val would make a statement and set the tone for the rest of the series.

The Pacers also need Mahinmi to be healthy. He is the best defensive big on the team. Turner is very skilled, but lacks experience. He'll have one good game, then three where you couldnt find him on the court if you were looking for him.

I hope Vogel has adjusted for the Raptors adjustments in game two.

aman_13
04-19-2016, 12:56 PM
The Pacers have the best player in the series, and a coach with more playoff experience. Also.. the Raptor's primary scorer is inefficient.
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People keep saying that even though DeMar had an effecient yr. He's had a couple rough games, he will be fine.

LanceUpperCut
04-19-2016, 09:45 PM
I've been impressed with what Casey has done this year but if we lose a big part will be getting out coached. Raps have more talent and should win this series rather easy.

FlashBolt
04-19-2016, 09:53 PM
People keep saying that even though DeMar had an effecient yr. He's had a couple rough games, he will be fine.

DeRozan+Lowry both have a reputation for being abysmal playoff players. Just check their history!

aman_13
04-19-2016, 10:57 PM
DeRozan+Lowry both have a reputation for being abysmal playoff players. Just check their history!

I don't need to check, I've witnessed it. Lowry wasn't bad against Brooklyn and last yr he struggled because he was hurt and out of shape. He's already bounced back in game 2 of this series. Struggled from the field but still had a very good game.

FlashBolt
04-20-2016, 02:07 AM
I don't need to check, I've witnessed it. Lowry wasn't bad against Brooklyn and last yr he struggled because he was hurt and out of shape. He's already bounced back in game 2 of this series. Struggled from the field but still had a very good game.

You're kidding, right? He's terrible. Don't want to hear it about him being out of shape or else I will use that response for every player.

aman_13
04-20-2016, 11:35 AM
You're kidding, right? He's terrible. Don't want to hear it about him being out of shape or else I will use that response for every player.

Lowry had problems with his weight last yr. That's why he came into this season in the best shape of his career. I don't care if you don't want to hear it, just telling you facts.

canzano55
04-20-2016, 12:49 PM
Everyone in the media is lapping up the Paul George play but I think people who know Paul should be more cautious when lumping all the scoring responsibility on his shoulders.

He's a great player but I'm doubtful he can maintain this high percentage scoring for the whole series.

(He's shooting 54% for the first two games of the series - that's not sustainable).

FlashBolt
04-20-2016, 05:19 PM
Lowry had problems with his weight last yr. That's why he came into this season in the best shape of his career. I don't care if you don't want to hear it, just telling you facts.

If he had problems with his weight last year and the previous years, that's on him. I'm going to judge a player by how they perform so I'm not going to give Lowry a pass because he decided to eat cheeseburgers. What you gave me was an excuse. I gave you facts.. his numbers don't lie. These past two games were terrible. Yes, he put up some decent numbers outside his terrible shooting (him and DeRozan once again, just calling it like it is), but he played what? 40 minutes? Being out there for 40 minutes and putting those numbers up is below average for a player of his caliber. I'm not comparing Lowry to a typical bench player. He's an All-Star caliber player in the regular season but come playoff time, the production plummets. That's called BAD.

aman_13
04-20-2016, 06:48 PM
If he had problems with his weight last year and the previous years, that's on him. I'm going to judge a player by how they perform so I'm not going to give Lowry a pass because he decided to eat cheeseburgers. What you gave me was an excuse. I gave you facts.. his numbers don't lie. These past two games were terrible. Yes, he put up some decent numbers outside his terrible shooting (him and DeRozan once again, just calling it like it is), but he played what? 40 minutes? Being out there for 40 minutes and putting those numbers up is below average for a player of his caliber. I'm not comparing Lowry to a typical bench player. He's an All-Star caliber player in the regular season but come playoff time, the production plummets. That's called BAD.

I'm giving you reasons why his numbers dropped off. He's obviously one of the best pgs in the game so one has to wonder why his numbers dropped off towards the end of last season and the playoffs. We learned after that he was playing hurt. He sat out a number of games in the second half dealing with back issues and because of his injury, he didn't do a very good of staying in shape while sitting. He wasn't healthy in the playoffs and he wasn't in shape. I'm willing to give him a pass because I know what he's capable of and he proved what he was able to do in the first half last yr when he was healthy.

This yr there is no excuse and yeah he didn't play well in game 1 but game 2 was a different story. If you don't think so, then you have a narrow view of evaluating player performances. He played his *** off on both ends and almost had a triple double. 18 points 7 rebounds and 9 assists. How is that terrible?

WaDe03
04-20-2016, 07:10 PM
I'm giving you reasons why his numbers dropped off. He's obviously one of the best pgs in the game so one has to wonder why his numbers dropped off towards the end of last season and the playoffs. We learned after that he was playing hurt. He sat out a number of games in the second half dealing with back issues and because of his injury he didn't do a very good of staying in shape while sitting. He wasn't healthy in the playoffs and he wasn't in shape. I'm willing to give him a pass because I know what he's capable of and proved what he was able to do in the first half when he was healthy.

This yr there is no excuse and yeah he didn't play well in game 1 but game 2 was a different story. If you don't think so, then you have a narrow view of evaluating player performances. He played his *** off on both ends and almost had a triple double. 18 points 7 rebounds and 9 assists. How is that terrible?

You're wasting your time.

zn23
04-21-2016, 08:22 PM
Raps are taking the Pacers to the woodshed.

bucketss
04-21-2016, 09:14 PM
pacers are so over matched talent wise that they will resort to anything to win, which includes flopping every possession, and crying to the refs on the most obvious fouls. glad they're getting T'd up. valanciunas is being held down and pushed on every single rebound because they don't have a single big that can handle him refs turn a blind eye most of the time.

zn23
04-21-2016, 09:17 PM
pacers are so over matched talent wise that they will resort to anything to win, which includes flopping every possession, and crying to the refs on the most obvious fouls. glad they're getting T'd up. valanciunas is being held down and pushed on every single rebound because they don't have a single big that can handle him refs turn a blind eye most of the time.

They won't last much longer. Raps win game 4 and it's all over for them.

kdspurman
04-21-2016, 09:43 PM
Joseph looks good out there, very under control. Always nice to see former Spurs guys doing well in big moments.

Vampirate
04-21-2016, 09:45 PM
17 point lead, over 6 minutes left and I still don't feel that comfortable about the game.

zn23
04-21-2016, 10:06 PM
Amazing defense by the Raps. They play this type of defense in game 4 and it's a wrap.

spreadeagle
04-21-2016, 10:07 PM
Raptors Wooooooooo (Ric Flair voice)

aman_13
04-21-2016, 10:25 PM
Joseph looks good out there, very under control. Always nice to see former Spurs guys doing well in big moments.

A lot of credit to the Spurs organization. They did a great job developing him.

Vampirate
04-21-2016, 10:37 PM
A lot of credit to the Spurs organization. They did a great job developing him.

Are there players that they don't develop well?

Wade n Fade
04-21-2016, 10:38 PM
The Pacers have to be one of the most boring teams to watch.

aman_13
04-21-2016, 11:05 PM
Are there players that they don't develop well?

Of course but they are definitely one of the best if not the best at getting the most out of their players.

Jays Claw
04-21-2016, 11:07 PM
Raps came to play tonight.

Swing early, close 'em out late.

canzano55
04-21-2016, 11:56 PM
Everyone in the media is lapping up the Paul George play but I think people who know Paul should be more cautious when lumping all the scoring responsibility on his shoulders.

He's a great player but I'm doubtful he can maintain this high percentage scoring for the whole series.

(He's shooting 54% for the first two games of the series - that's not sustainable).What did I say?

PG is a great player but he's going to have off nights in a 7 game series.

ghettosean
04-22-2016, 08:11 PM
If he had problems with his weight last year and the previous years, that's on him. I'm going to judge a player by how they perform so I'm not going to give Lowry a pass because he decided to eat cheeseburgers. What you gave me was an excuse. I gave you facts.. his numbers don't lie. These past two games were terrible. Yes, he put up some decent numbers outside his terrible shooting (him and DeRozan once again, just calling it like it is), but he played what? 40 minutes? Being out there for 40 minutes and putting those numbers up is below average for a player of his caliber. I'm not comparing Lowry to a typical bench player. He's an All-Star caliber player in the regular season but come playoff time, the production plummets. That's called BAD.

I'm giving you reasons why his numbers dropped off. He's obviously one of the best pgs in the game so one has to wonder why his numbers dropped off towards the end of last season and the playoffs. We learned after that he was playing hurt. He sat out a number of games in the second half dealing with back issues and because of his injury, he didn't do a very good of staying in shape while sitting. He wasn't healthy in the playoffs and he wasn't in shape. I'm willing to give him a pass because I know what he's capable of and he proved what he was able to do in the first half last yr when he was healthy.

This yr there is no excuse and yeah he didn't play well in game 1 but game 2 was a different story. If you don't think so, then you have a narrow view of evaluating player performances. He played his *** off on both ends and almost had a triple double. 18 points 7 rebounds and 9 assists. How is that terrible?

Don't bother he won't verify any of this he'll just spout off more verbal diarrhea and crown himself correct regardless so save some typing.

Wade n Fade
04-23-2016, 03:35 PM
Of course but they are definitely one of the best if not the best at getting the most out of their players.

I still don't like Bird's moves though. That George Hill trade was awful. They should've traded Danny Granger while he had value, not when he became a 76ers cap space pickup. I am surprised Myles Turner is decent his rookie year. I didn't expect much of him.

Chronz
04-23-2016, 03:38 PM
How do you guys feel when you see an Indiana native ( more than likely) wearing a VC JERSEY right now?

I give him props for those balls of steel

ombada
04-23-2016, 03:49 PM
Pacers come out ballin today.

The last game is mostly what the Pacers have been this season. The start of this game is what they could be. Still need a star to place next to George to compete for a championship in my opinion though.

Wade n Fade
04-23-2016, 03:54 PM
Pacers come out ballin today.

The last game is mostly what the Pacers have been this season. The start of this game is what they could be. Still need a star to place next to George to compete for a champtionship in my opinion though.

Still waiting for the inevitable Indiana Pacers' collapse. They did that a bit against Miami.

ombada
04-23-2016, 03:56 PM
Still waiting for the inevitable Indiana Pacers' collapse. They did that a bit against Miami.

I dont think its coming in this game. They are playing with urgency. Toronto will probably make a run. Ive seen this team fold in the 3rd or 4th many times this season, but it didnt look like this from the start. They are actually playing playoff basketball right now.

ombada
04-23-2016, 04:12 PM
These calls have been bad. Really bad.

Wade n Fade
04-23-2016, 04:22 PM
I dont think its coming in this game. They are playing with urgency. Toronto will probably make a run. Ive seen this team fold in the 3rd or 4th many times this season, but it didnt look like this from the start. They are actually playing playoff basketball right now.

If they hold serve, it's a 6 game series at the least. But if it's a 3-1 game at the end of the buzzer (OT or regulation, doesn't matter), then Indiana has to get prepared for the offseason and the draft.

ombada
04-23-2016, 04:42 PM
If they hold serve, it's a 6 game series at the least. But if it's a 3-1 game at the end of the buzzer (OT or regulation, doesn't matter), then Indiana has to get prepared for the offseason and the draft.

hopefully they will be prepared regardless. This team isnt getting to the conference championship the way they have been playing this series.

Hopefully Bird is thinking about trade opportunities for a star. Hopefully a frontcourt player.

EDIT: Also i think this goes to 7, dont know whos coming out of it, but it feels like a 7 game series.

ombada
04-23-2016, 04:49 PM
the raptors flop a lot.

Bigbadmoffo
04-23-2016, 04:58 PM
These calls have been bad. Really bad.

You guys are going to the line more then twice as much? If not for the refs this series would be over for Indiana

ombada
04-23-2016, 05:01 PM
You guys are going to the line more then twice as much? If not for the refs this series would be over for Indiana

The bad calls didnt send Toronto to the line. most of them were in the second quarter, the rest of the game has been pretty well officiated. The Pacers are driving and getting fouled more often, is it surprising they are going to the line more?

ombada
04-23-2016, 05:23 PM
these calls are definitely going indianas way now.

bucketss
04-23-2016, 05:32 PM
can't hit freethrows
can't hit open threes
refs letting one team be alot more physical
lack of effort aside from a few guys

great recipe for a blowout loss. but knowing these guys they won't even feel embarrassed about this loss

ombada
04-23-2016, 05:34 PM
can't hit freethrows
can't hit open threes
refs letting one team be alot more physical
lack of effort aside from a few guys

great recipe for a blowout loss. but knowing these guys they won't even feel embarrassed about this loss


The Pacers came out with more intensity and physicality from the jump. This is stark contrast to what we saw in the last game. Thats the problem with the Pacers, you never know what you're going to get on any given night.

FlashBolt
04-23-2016, 05:40 PM
Lowry shooting what? 33% for the series? DeRozan shooting 30%? Haha... these guys are total jokes! As if their previous NBA playoff past wasn't enough evidence, this is the icing. George Hill/Monta Ellis should not be outplaying those both.

ombada
04-23-2016, 05:49 PM
Lowry shooting what? 33% for the series? DeRozan shooting 30%? Haha... these guys are total jokes! As if their previous NBA playoff past wasn't enough evidence, this is the icing. George Hill/Monta Ellis should not be outplaying those both.

Monta has been incredibly hit or miss through the season and playoffs. I think they both outplayed Monta in game 3 and Lowry outplayed him in 2 as well. George Hill is always consistent and efficient. Hes a true glue player, the type that makes a team run.

I would love to have George Hill play the 2 with a real PG at the 1 and monta off the bench, but i dont know if monta, even at his age, would let that happen.

eDush
04-23-2016, 08:06 PM
Lowry shooting what? 33% for the series? DeRozan shooting 30%? Haha... these guys are total jokes! As if their previous NBA playoff past wasn't enough evidence, this is the icing. George Hill/Monta Ellis should not be outplaying those both.

Monta has been incredibly hit or miss through the season and playoffs. I think they both outplayed Monta in game 3 and Lowry outplayed him in 2 as well. George Hill is always consistent and efficient. Hes a true glue player, the type that makes a team run.

I would love to have George Hill play the 2 with a real PG at the 1 and monta off the bench, but i dont know if monta, even at his age, would let that happen.

Agreed, coming off the bench would benefit their 2nd unit with a scoring punch that Monta is known for with his ball hog mentality. Likewise, that mentality would generally hurt a starting unit that emphasis ball movement for open shots.

However, I did say this series will go to the wire with the Pacers taking it. You gotta :laugh2: at the homers who continues to pick the Raptors to sweep when they choke year after year while disrespecting the greatness of Paul George which I refused to do :nod:.

:dance:

bucketss
04-23-2016, 09:21 PM
Agreed, coming off the bench would benefit their 2nd unit with a scoring punch that Monta is known for with his ball hog mentality. Likewise, that mentality would generally hurt a starting unit that emphasis ball movement for open shots.

However, I did say this series will go to the wire with the Pacers taking it. You gotta :laugh2: at the homers who continues to pick the Raptors to sweep when they choke year after year while disrespecting the greatness of Paul George which I refused to do :nod:.

:dance:
paul george is good but he can't carry a team in a series he needs other guys to step up, they did tonight and they had their most convincing win.

FlashBolt
04-23-2016, 09:24 PM
paul george is good but he can't carry a team in a series he needs other guys to step up, they did tonight and they had their most convincing win.

This would be an EASY series if Lowry+DeRozan played their regular season game. They are just embarrassing All-Stars right now.

Scoots
04-24-2016, 12:05 AM
This would be an EASY series if Lowry+DeRozan played their regular season game. They are just embarrassing All-Stars right now.

I think this series is really the nail in the coffin of that back-court. I can't really imagine them back again next year.

FlashBolt
04-24-2016, 01:21 AM
I think this series is really the nail in the coffin of that back-court. I can't really imagine them back again next year.

For sure. DeRozan is on a player option so he's most definitely going to get the max from a desperate team needing to fit that position. Lowry is probably a keeper for now. He's a steal for $12 million despite his terrible performances in the playoffs. Going to be a huge offseason for the Raptors now. They are the second seed but you couldn't tell from how they played these past few games. I just don't see how anyone can look at them and see an experienced player. They have the capability of being top players but really, not showing up in the playoffs and being THAT bad is a huge *.

ombada
04-24-2016, 06:02 AM
This would be an EASY series if Lowry+DeRozan played their regular season game. They are just embarrassing All-Stars right now.

I posit that the Pacers are a large part of the reason why they arent playing as well as they did in the regular season... The Pacers are, after all, one of the best defensive teams in the league. Their problem is they are not consistent, sometimes they show up and sometimes they dont.

FlashBolt
04-24-2016, 11:02 AM
I posit that the Pacers are a large part of the reason why they arent playing as well as they did in the regular season... The Pacers are, after all, one of the best defensive teams in the league. Their problem is they are not consistent, sometimes they show up and sometimes they dont.

They have a history of terrible postseason transition. This isn't the first season for them to suck. It's just they are sucking real bad now.

eDush
04-24-2016, 06:59 PM
paul george is good but he can't carry a team in a series he needs other guys to step up, they did tonight and they had their most convincing win.

Oh yes he can just like Lebron has for the Cavs. If you had watch the game, it was my boy George leading his team back with all the things he does that doesn't show up on the stats. He is a true star among stars and a better leader than Durant, who can't win without another star to play alongside with otherwise it's just empty numbers.


I would take my boy George over KD anyday!!! :around-the-world::situps::cheer:

eDush
04-24-2016, 07:04 PM
This would be an EASY series if Lowry+DeRozan played their regular season game. They are just embarrassing All-Stars right now.

Wrong! Seem like everyone is disrespecting the greatness of Paul George but overate players like Lowry+DeRozan. If you can't step up your game in the big stage, you are nothing! It's all about winning in the playoffs :clap:

bucketss
04-24-2016, 07:51 PM
Oh yes he can just like Lebron has for the Cavs. If you had watch the game, it was my boy George leading his team back with all the things he does that doesn't show up on the stats. He is a true star among stars and a better leader than Durant, who can't win without another star to play alongside with otherwise it's just empty numbers.


I would take my boy George over KD anyday!!! :around-the-world::situps::cheer:

:facepalm:

FlashBolt
04-24-2016, 10:31 PM
Wrong! Seem like everyone is disrespecting the greatness of Paul George but overate players like Lowry+DeRozan. If you can't step up your game in the big stage, you are nothing! It's all about winning in the playoffs :clap:

So what part of it is wrong?

eDush
04-25-2016, 01:12 AM
Wrong! Seem like everyone is disrespecting the greatness of Paul George but overate players like Lowry+DeRozan. If you can't step up your game in the big stage, you are nothing! It's all about winning in the playoffs :clap:

So what part of it is wrong?

You state that the Raps would win EASY in capital letters if their choking duo plays like the regular season over the Pacers which implies that George is not good enough to beat them which is a disrespect to him. What if it was Durant on that team instead of George, would they have a better chance at winning or not?

I think it would be worse...much worst but what about you....

ewing
04-25-2016, 08:25 AM
Who would guess that Corey Joseph would be by far the best Tor guard in the series?

smith&wesson
04-25-2016, 09:54 AM
Who would guess that Corey Joseph would be by far the best Tor guard in the series?

and yet for some reason Joseph only played 14 mins in game 4 :facepalm: I guess Casey has to give Demar a chance to hit his 4 shots out of 19 before another guard can come in the game.

FlashBolt
04-25-2016, 01:15 PM
You state that the Raps would win EASY in capital letters if their choking duo plays like the regular season over the Pacers which implies that George is not good enough to beat them which is a disrespect to him. What if it was Durant on that team instead of George, would they have a better chance at winning or not?

I think it would be worse...much worst but what about you....

I'm not underestimating George. He's a great player but he's always been inefficient. He has nights where he goes 60% from the field and then goes down to under 40%. He's borderline top ten for me right now.
Kawhi
LeBron
CP3
Westbrook
KD
Curry
Cousins
Harden
Draymond
Lillard
Davis
Butler
George

In the first game, Raptors lose by ten despite George having an amazing game. Lowry+DeRozan averaged 45 points per game during the regular season.

Game 1: Combined for 25 points.
Game 2: Combined for 28 points. Won by 11 despite George having another amazing game.
Game 3: They win handily while Lowry+DeRozan both have their best game of the series with 42 points. As I said, George either has really great games or just bad ones. It's not usually just at the average game. He has a bad one here and Raptors win big time.
Game 4: PG has another bad game. Who else does? DeRozan+Lowry scored only 20 combined points together. They lose by 17, George Hill+Mahinmi step up.

So simple mathematics show that every game would be won quite handily if Lowry+DeRozan played their regular season game. Even 80% of their regular season game would be enough. But, they aren't even playing 50% of their game, shooting at terrible percentages (about 30% for both players compared to a 43% average in the regular season), numbers from across the statline are all down. Again, George is a great player but he's not better than DeRozan+Lowry combined. Hell, DeRozan scored more points than him in the regular season per game.

CHANGO
04-25-2016, 07:01 PM
I'm not underestimating George. He's a great player but he's always been inefficient. He has nights where he goes 60% from the field and then goes down to under 40%. He's borderline top ten for me right now.
Kawhi
LeBron
CP3
Westbrook
KD
Curry
Cousins
Harden
Draymond
Lillard
Davis
Butler
George

In the first game, Raptors lose by ten despite George having an amazing game. Lowry+DeRozan averaged 45 points per game during the regular season.

Game 1: Combined for 25 points.
Game 2: Combined for 28 points. Won by 11 despite George having another amazing game.
Game 3: They win handily while Lowry+DeRozan both have their best game of the series with 42 points. As I said, George either has really great games or just bad ones. It's not usually just at the average game. He has a bad one here and Raptors win big time.
Game 4: PG has another bad game. Who else does? DeRozan+Lowry scored only 20 combined points together. They lose by 17, George Hill+Mahinmi step up.

So simple mathematics show that every game would be won quite handily if Lowry+DeRozan played their regular season game. Even 80% of their regular season game would be enough. But, they aren't even playing 50% of their game, shooting at terrible percentages (about 30% for both players compared to a 43% average in the regular season), numbers from across the statline are all down. Again, George is a great player but he's not better than DeRozan+Lowry combined. Hell, DeRozan scored more points than him in the regular season per game.

This...

PG is very inconsistent, some games he's amazing, some games he's hurting his team. He's a great player but this season he was up and down.

zn23
04-26-2016, 06:42 PM
Pacers opened shooting 7-10 from 3.... you'd think the Raptors would be a bit more prepared for a top 10 3pt shooting team...

Raps are getting booed out of the building.

bucketss
04-26-2016, 06:44 PM
:laugh: im done here can't believe i was looking forward to this game.

Jays Claw
04-26-2016, 07:23 PM
:laugh: im done here can't believe i was looking forward to this game.

It's a 9 point game with 2 more quarters to play...

zn23
04-26-2016, 08:17 PM
3-17 from 3 is not going to win many games...

ChI_ShIzzLe
04-26-2016, 08:36 PM
21-2 run..great time to choke Pacers

zn23
04-26-2016, 08:53 PM
no basket

zn23
04-26-2016, 08:54 PM
This one is really going to haunt the Pacers. They were the better team for the entire game until they just collapsed in the 4th quarter.

Tanakid777
04-26-2016, 08:55 PM
LOL, what a moron, holding the ball for an hour

zn23
04-26-2016, 08:56 PM
This is probably as bad of a collapse as the Clippers had last year against the Rockets.

basketballkitty
04-26-2016, 08:57 PM
This one is really going to haunt the Pacers. They were the better team for the entire game until they just collapsed in the 4th quarter.



Yeah 9 points in the 4th quarter is a real Head scratcher. However, if the Raps lose the final 2 after this win...that only cements their legend for being epic playoff failures.

kdspurman
04-26-2016, 09:17 PM
Wow... crazy collapse by Indy there... helluva comeback by the Raps. Crowd was amazing

Jays Claw
04-26-2016, 10:12 PM
Hopefully the Raptors can take into Indy the same mentality they had in game 3 as well as tonight's 4th Q to close out the series. Gonna be tough, but not impossible.

This was one heck of a game! Shout-out to all Raps fans who stuck it out throughout the entire game... it was well worth it. Go Raps!

Raps18-19 Champ
04-26-2016, 10:32 PM
Raptors got very lucky there at the end lol. His brings some swagger to the team.

Sly Guy
04-26-2016, 11:31 PM
gonna sound completely homer, but our crowds are absolutely nuts in the ACC. Might be the loudest arena in the post season so far.

FlashBolt
04-26-2016, 11:32 PM
Looked like Pacers forgot how to play basketball for a quarter.

eDush
04-26-2016, 11:36 PM
Looked like Pacers forgot how to play basketball for a quarter.They would have won if Monta didn't turn the ball over in the 4th that to a fast break score. That's why we traded him...

bucketss
04-26-2016, 11:53 PM
what was vogel thinking :confused:

note: via eric koreen

Paul George sat for 6:55 in that game; the Pacers lost those minutes by 18 points

Kenny Powders
04-27-2016, 06:17 AM
They would have won if Monta didn't turn the ball over in the 4th that to a fast break score. That's why we traded him...

Are you a Pacers or Warriors fan? I'm confused

mike_noodles
04-27-2016, 09:04 AM
Pacers really turning up the whining. Like they have never been in the playoffs before.

ewing
04-27-2016, 09:37 AM
Why did PG not get shots in the 4th? He is certainly capable of getting his own.

ghettosean
04-27-2016, 09:52 AM
Not feeling the Raptors are getting enough credit for that comeback they shot 82% in the final quarter they were on fire played great defense and never gave up.

R. Johnson#3
04-27-2016, 09:53 AM
Why did PG not get shots in the 4th? He is certainly capable of getting his own.

He must have been tired from beating the Raps for 3 quarters with a little help from Myles Turner.

Seriously though, dude was unstoppable for 3 quarters and the rest of the team couldn't come through in the 4th.

R. Johnson#3
04-27-2016, 10:02 AM
Vogel's strategy was very similar to games 1 and 2 except flip flopped this time with the focus being on JV and not DeMar and Kyle. The second JV would put the ball on the floor in the post the defence would begin to collapse.

DeMar had some plays run for him. Indy would go under screens and pretty much dare him to shoot a jumper. Thank God he finally showed up.

If Paul George would've had an average night we would've been neck and neck all game. Patrick Patterson starting helped out with containing Turner early on as well. If we keep this starting 5 and give PG another dose of Carroll/Powell next game then the series will be over. Scola has no place on the floor unless our bigs are in foul trouble. Even then, I'd prefer JJ.

ewing
04-27-2016, 10:07 AM
He must have been tired from beating the Raps for 3 quarters with a little help from Myles Turner.

Seriously though, dude was unstoppable for 3 quarters and the rest of the team couldn't come through in the 4th.

I get that but when the Pacers don't score forever he need to take shots. If he misses he misses. I didn't see the game but found it odd that he had so few attempts during the Raps run.

Sly Guy
04-27-2016, 11:32 AM
I get that but when the Pacers don't score forever he need to take shots. If he misses he misses. I didn't see the game but found it odd that he had so few attempts during the Raps run.

we never 'stopped' PG. Indy just stopped going to him. That's why I don't give as much credit to my raps for the comeback. Indy beat themselves in this one. Yeah, we tightened the screws on D. Our FG% in the 4th was based off a lot of easy transition buckets from turnovers and outlets off defensive rebounds. But if PG had the ball in his hands, Indy was still very dangerous, and still beating us.

Wade n Fade
04-27-2016, 12:03 PM
Another patented Pacers' playoff choke. Gotta love it!!!

R. Johnson#3
04-27-2016, 12:18 PM
I get that but when the Pacers don't score forever he need to take shots. If he misses he misses. I didn't see the game but found it odd that he had so few attempts during the Raps run.

He spent a lot of time on the elbows and in the corners in the 4th. He was exhausted. Carroll wasn't letting him receive the ball where he wanted to all game so he'd have to fight for position or run around some more screens. George looked like an elite NBA talent for 3 quarters but when you play 40 minutes in a game there's a good chance you're gonna get tired and he did. Thank goodness for it too.

aman_13
04-27-2016, 12:37 PM
They were running everything through PG and I think he got tired. Powell was fresh going up against him in the 4th and they did a good of denying him the ball. The Pacers needed someone else to step up and make a play, but no one came through.

I also think they were a little rattled by the Raps run and how loud the crowd was.

Vampirate
04-27-2016, 01:25 PM
As a Raptors fan I feel confident to say that whomever reaches the 2nd round will get trounced by Miami (I expect Miami to get to the 2nd Round)

bucketss
04-27-2016, 01:55 PM
As a Raptors fan I feel confident to say that whomever reaches the 2nd round will get trounced by Miami (I expect Miami to get to the 2nd Round)

i doubt it after seeing them get lit up by Lin.

FlashBolt
04-27-2016, 02:52 PM
Raptors key to success: You can't stop PG, only PG can stop PG. So you have to take out his rather crappy roster.

That's what the Spurs did against Miami in the 2014 Finals.

SensandRaps
04-27-2016, 04:43 PM
As a Raptors fan I feel confident to say that whomever reaches the 2nd round will get trounced by Miami (I expect Miami to get to the 2nd Round)

depends on how healthy miami is heading into next round (mainly wade) and if whiteside can avoid foul trouble

LanceUpperCut
04-27-2016, 05:23 PM
As a Raptors fan I feel confident to say that whomever reaches the 2nd round will get trounced by Miami (I expect Miami to get to the 2nd Round)

Why is that? Not like Miami is lighting it up against Charlotte. I also think the Raps will be able to relax a lot after a series win.

zn23
04-29-2016, 09:35 PM
I want raps to clean house when they lose this series. I dont want to see Derozan or Casey back. This is such a pathetic display.

bucketss
04-29-2016, 09:58 PM
they cant match pacers physicality.

im_cruzin
04-29-2016, 10:08 PM
Raptors are a FRAUD! Derozan and Lowry can't match playoff toughness, they are only regular season stars!

zn23
04-29-2016, 10:13 PM
Pacers should have won this series by now if it weren't for that game 5 collapse. Since game 4 of this series, the pacers have been the superior team.

I want Casey fired if they lose, I also don't want Derozan back

WaDe03
04-29-2016, 11:36 PM
Pacer Nation!

canzano55
04-29-2016, 11:46 PM
It was a bad game - a lot like game 4 in fact.

We can still win this series though; it doesn't mean that the Raps haven't peaked (because they have) but there's no way in Christ's name that the Raps are going to lie down in a game 7 at home.

If the Pacers take game 7 then the Raps are a fraud in which case the team needs a new direction and new players.

Cal827
04-30-2016, 04:36 PM
As Raptor fans, the result of game 7 is gonna be exciting regardless. We win, and we advance.. We lose, and we watch the team pretty much blow up :laugh2:

zn23
04-30-2016, 09:12 PM
As Raptor fans, the result of game 7 is gonna be exciting regardless. We win, and we advance.. We lose, and we watch the team pretty much blow up :laugh2:

That's the silver lining. We lose and no more Derozan, and possibly Casey.

bucketss
04-30-2016, 09:42 PM
a loss here would be damn embarrassing :laugh2:

Kush McDaniels
05-01-2016, 01:34 PM
I don't predict a Raptors roster blow-up should they lose tonight, but I do see Demar being leaving regardless how he plays from here on.

eDush
05-01-2016, 05:46 PM
As Raptor fans, the result of game 7 is gonna be exciting regardless. We win, and we advance.. We lose, and we watch the team pretty much blow up :laugh2:That's the silver lining. We lose and no more Derozan, and possibly Casey. .....because DeRozen doesn't worth the max like our Barnes does as it's all about the championship rings:nod:.

bucketss
05-01-2016, 07:07 PM
neither derozan or barnes are worth max money but they will get it, or atleast close to it,.

Bruno
05-01-2016, 07:49 PM
Bust out the popcorn.

eDush
05-01-2016, 07:57 PM
Its a Pacers win today ~ George will be MVP! :clap:

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 08:41 PM
DeRozan and Paul George both balling. Can't believe this has gone 7. Raptors are just too inconsistent with their top players (DeR, Lowry and Jonas).

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:03 PM
Paul George keeping Pacers in it after Raps went up 40-48. Keep the crowd quiet, quell the run a bit.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 09:08 PM
Ugh, good half, but didn't like that Derozan was forcing up bad shots to end the half, when we could've expanded the lead :pity:

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:09 PM
If I'm DeRozan, I would wonder why it's taking 7 games to beat an on-the-mend Pacers team. Plus Raptors don't really have an identity. Is Lowry the guy? Or should they go with Jonas? Carroll has been a disappointment and DeRozan has struggled heavily. How are they going to fair against stronger teams? Suddenly, the Lakers run by Luke Walton might not look so bad. Not to go off topic, but man...they look like they'll win this game, plus home court cheering them on, but I'd be kind of scratching my head if I was him.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:10 PM
Ugh, good half, but didn't like that Derozan was forcing up bad shots to end the half, when we could've expanded the lead :pity:Yeah. But! He can always force shots on a team some other guy did that a lot for....:D

koreancabbage
05-01-2016, 09:11 PM
the should just run sets where Derozan comes off screens and shoot.

him handling the ball and taking fadeaway low % shots is beyond me.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 09:20 PM
Yeah. But! He can always force shots on a team some other guy did that a lot for....:D

Just noticed your Picture :laugh2: :laugh2:


It's gonna be a fun free agency period

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:25 PM
Just noticed your Picture :laugh2: :laugh2:


It's gonna be a fun free agency periodOh! Haha, yeah. I am loving him as a Laker on 2k. But it'll be interesting if that rumor is true about them not messing around and throwing a max deal at DeRozan once free agency begins, unless that changes with Luke Walton in town. DeRozan isn't much of a shooter, so if Walton just makes a Warriors clone Lakers team, might not be a good fit. We'll see. I just think DeRozan might benefit more as the only star-caliber-capable player around, just a thought. I have been shocked by his poor driving ability in this series.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:27 PM
DeRozan with that wannabe Kobe fadeaway. He'll get it eventually. I've seen him make it.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:28 PM
Traded missed threes, then Toronto scores and almost goes up big, but then again Pacers get an easy jam to stay close.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:29 PM
Dang, in a matter of seconds, Pacers appear to be falling apart. Defense is lacking, offense is stalled.

eDush
05-01-2016, 09:39 PM
Dang, in a matter of seconds, Pacers appear to be falling apart. Defense is lacking, offense is stalled.They are not falling apart...are you watching the game or just the box score?

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:43 PM
57-71, 8-0 run...ouch. It might be over at this point. Pacers are spinning wheels.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 09:47 PM
Pacers just don't want to die :laugh2:

Kudos to them, as they have looked like the better team for most of the series.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:48 PM
62-76 isn't insurmountable, e.g. Lakers/Celtics in that huge comeback finals game win for Celtics, but Pacers need to show some signs of life here.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 09:48 PM
Oh! Haha, yeah. I am loving him as a Laker on 2k. But it'll be interesting if that rumor is true about them not messing around and throwing a max deal at DeRozan once free agency begins, unless that changes with Luke Walton in town. DeRozan isn't much of a shooter, so if Walton just makes a Warriors clone Lakers team, might not be a good fit. We'll see. I just think DeRozan might benefit more as the only star-caliber-capable player around, just a thought. I have been shocked by his poor driving ability in this series.

To be fair, Paul George following him around isn't helping :laugh2:... Derozan would be even more lethal if he kicked the ball out more often on drives where he has elite defenders around him.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 09:50 PM
Freaking Love Bismack :D

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:51 PM
Get within 10 and you never know. Teams love to withdraw their first string and they get whipped for it. Seen that it seems more often than usual this season.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:53 PM
They are not falling apart...are you watching the game or just the box score?No, I'm watching the game. Lots of late shots with clock running low, no real rhythm, Raptors not making the hardest shots, giving up on rebounds and making frustration fouls.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 09:55 PM
Get within 10 and you never know. Teams love to withdraw their first string and they get whipped for it. Seen that it seems more often than usual this season.

Game 5 of this series :laugh2:

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:56 PM
Game 5 of this series :laugh2:Yeah, I just watched the highlights. Pacers were en route to win that one, and damn, what was it, 9-25 in 4th quarter scoring? Good lord. I bet they were pissed.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 09:58 PM
Commentators noting that DeRozan is 10-30 and choosing to shoot rather than pass to guys with better shots.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 10:01 PM
Yeah, I just watched the highlights. Pacers were en route to win that one, and damn, what was it, 9-25 in 4th quarter scoring? Good lord. I bet they were pissed.

We were so lucky that George kinda lost his touch when they pulled him for 5 mins :laugh2:

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:03 PM
We were so lucky that George kinda lost his touch when they pulled him for 5 mins :laugh2:I mean, they're only down by 11...that can change quick and things get dicey from there. A 10-30 DeRozan might not help with that either. I think the key is to milk the clock and go to Jonas and shoot less 3's. Both teams need to distribute better, lots of 1-on-1 for Pacers, a jab step, a pass, repeat. Not going to win that way.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 10:05 PM
Raptors need to get a bucket in this quarter before we see a reverse of game 5 :laugh2:

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:07 PM
Raptors need to get a bucket in this quarter before we see a reverse of game 5 :laugh2:Lowry fought for that loose ball. Pacers on last gasp it looks. Or figuring out if they want to try to win, lol.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:08 PM
That corner 3's been there all game for Toronto.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 10:09 PM
16 point lead :D

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:10 PM
No coverage on Joseph there. Might be over. Vogel has to be frustrated. Raptors are just moving better on the court, Pacers at .5 speed it seems.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:12 PM
I'm surprised the Pacers weren't fired up for this game after making it possible.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:14 PM
Paul George almost a non-factor this half. He needs to take over.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:16 PM
Within 10 again, George heating up...might be good here.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:17 PM
Uh-oh...lol.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:18 PM
#singledigits

Cal827
05-01-2016, 10:19 PM
Jesus, 3 stupid turnovers in a row.... bailed out by the Charge call :laugh2:

Bigbadmoffo
05-01-2016, 10:19 PM
Paul George playing like Lebron in last years finals.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:20 PM
Just need 4 baskets to tie, and keep tough on defense, which looks improved really frustrating Raptors. Can't let up, need to go inside, draw a foul, stop the clock, chip away with some FTs.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:21 PM
What a jam and scramble.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:22 PM
Mavericks Monta is back, what a 3!

Cal827
05-01-2016, 10:23 PM
:laugh: And this is why if we advance, that pretty much every expert is gonna pick Miami

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:23 PM
Easy drive for Lowry making a 2 possession game, that hurts after that big 3. 15-5 run, though.

Bigbadmoffo
05-01-2016, 10:26 PM
wow bad foul call in that situation

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:27 PM
Raptors are over the limit, still can't penetrate, but what a stupid turnover by Pacers earlier.

PG needs to drop these 2 in.

kobe4thewinbang
05-01-2016, 10:27 PM
One stop away from a chance to tie.

Cal827
05-01-2016, 10:28 PM
:pity: