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kdspurman
02-29-2016, 04:48 PM
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02-29-2016, 04:48 PM
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kdspurman
02-29-2016, 04:49 PM
Wednesday March 2nd, 2016

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kdspurman
02-29-2016, 04:49 PM
Thursday March 3rd, 2016


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02-29-2016, 04:49 PM
Friday March 4th, 2016


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kdspurman
02-29-2016, 04:51 PM
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02-29-2016, 04:51 PM
Sunday March 6th, 2016


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Scoots
02-29-2016, 05:03 PM
Curry questionable ... can the Warriors get their record over .500 without him?

mngopher35
02-29-2016, 09:08 PM
Cavs effort to end the half was much better than yesterday's game.

Cal827
02-29-2016, 10:25 PM
The fix is in for this Cleveland 3.... did I miss why they negated the George 3? :laugh2: I guess the shot clock...

also these I feel bad for the Cav fans who have to listen to these Cav commentators. I thought that Matt Devlin was a terrible, biased commentator :laugh:

SteBO
02-29-2016, 10:36 PM
The Pacers are not good at executing late in games......LBJ was a beast though.

zn23
02-29-2016, 11:43 PM
Only the Rockets could lose a game while scoring 120+ points.

I still can't believe how bad this team is defensively. Especially considering last year they were 6th in DEF.

Scoots
03-01-2016, 12:10 AM
This is not about this weeks games, but I just found out that the Sixers can swap some of their lesser 1st round picks with the Warriors this year. Oh I do so hope they do it :) They have too many 1st round picks this year ... that's too much of a burden for that young team.

Scoots
03-01-2016, 12:34 AM
Oh Rondo.

WaDe03
03-01-2016, 12:52 AM
Monday March 7th, 2016

Vee-Rex
03-01-2016, 01:05 AM
The fix is in for this Cleveland 3.... did I miss why they negated the George 3? :laugh2: I guess the shot clock...

also these I feel bad for the Cav fans who have to listen to these Cav commentators. I thought that Matt Devlin was a terrible, biased commentator :laugh:

Ahahaha. Austin Carr and Fred Mcleod are literally THE WORST announcers ever. They're insanely biased. I used to hate them with a passion but... now they just make me laugh lol. They got jokes, and I like 'em now. :D

But yeah they are pretty bad haha

Scoots
03-01-2016, 01:54 AM
Rockets announcers are the worst I've heard.

goingfor28
03-01-2016, 06:28 AM
Draymond Green sounds mentally challenged when he speaks.

Saddletramp
03-01-2016, 06:04 PM
Rockets announcers are the worst I've heard.

Drexler's awful but he only does home games. Bill Worrell has been around so long and has so much history with the organization and city that it'll be weird when he's gone. But yeah, he's slipped and I can see where people wouldn't care for him. Matt Bullard is the othe color guy and he's great. Knows his stuff, sprinkles in some humor and isn't as biased as I've seen elsewhere.


Also, I kinda hope this Rockets team misses the playoffs so they can 1) Keep their first round pick this year and 2) not get embarrassed any frigging further.

likemystylez
03-01-2016, 09:56 PM
frightening news coming out of the bay area today. Kerr might sit iggy and curry for the game tonight- basically throwing away the game.

He said yesterday that he wouldnt sit any guys for rest from here on out, but the decision to sit curry has already proven to be a fatal one. if it isnt a paul george level injury- the guys need to be out there.

Saddletramp
03-01-2016, 10:31 PM
frightening news coming out of the bay area today. Kerr might sit iggy and curry for the game tonight- basically throwing away the game.

He said yesterday that he wouldnt sit any guys for rest from here on out, but the decision to sit curry has already proven to be a fatal one. if it isnt a paul george level injury- the guys need to be out there.


I'll think they'll be ok in the long run. Quit worrying.

"Frightening" lol

likemystylez
03-01-2016, 10:46 PM
I'll think they'll be ok in the long run. Quit worrying.

"Frightening" lol

every game counts, and you dont want to be throwing away games or getting into the habit of milking every injury... thats a big part of what lead to 17 of 18 yrs out of the playoffs for this organization

Dade County
03-01-2016, 10:58 PM
Whiteside 26pts 14reb 4blks against Bulls

I think 10/11 from freethrow lane.

JJ was a great pick up for Miami.. When Bosh comes back, Miami will make some noise in the playoffs.

valade16
03-01-2016, 11:01 PM
Blazers beat the Knicks

3-0 to start their 7 game road trip

18-4 in their last 22 games

Lillard with 30+ pts in 8 of last 9 games

Saddletramp
03-01-2016, 11:24 PM
every game counts, and you dont want to be throwing away games or getting into the habit of milking every injury... thats a big part of what lead to 17 of 18 yrs out of the playoffs for this organization

Like I said, they'll be fine. And if you think taking games off due to injury was the reason they sucked for so long then...........Well, I don't know what then. Just enjoy what you have now that you have it. Would you rather Curry go out there in a meaningless early March game (at home, nonetheless) and hurt his leg even more than it currently is? How would that work out?

Vee-Rex
03-01-2016, 11:43 PM
Blazers beat the Knicks

3-0 to start their 7 game road trip

18-4 in their last 22 games

Lillard with 30+ pts in 8 of last 9 games

Big fan of Lillard, dude has been crushing the league. The fact that Portland is at the 6th spot in the West right now shows just how big of a player he is.

eDush
03-01-2016, 11:46 PM
frightening news coming out of the bay area today. Kerr might sit iggy and curry for the game tonight- basically throwing away the game.

He said yesterday that he wouldnt sit any guys for rest from here on out, but the decision to sit curry has already proven to be a fatal one. if it isnt a paul george level injury- the guys need to be out there.


We are so relieved you are not the Warriors coach because if you forced Steph to play hurt and aggravate it worse, Dray will end up giving you an up close rendition of what Blake did to a staffer x10!!
:mad:

Go Warriors! :flag:

SportsFanatic10
03-02-2016, 12:18 AM
Whiteside 26pts 14reb 4blks against Bulls

I think 10/11 from freethrow lane.

JJ was a great pick up for Miami.. When Bosh comes back, Miami will make some noise in the playoffs.

I don't get why some people think Bosh is coming back this year, I'd say it's very unlikely at this point and who even knows if he'll ever come back honestly. He's dealing with a serious health issue. But I agree that JJ makes Miami better no question, they can be a very solid playoff team in the east even without Bosh as long as no more major injuries strike, and with a little luck.

jerellh528
03-02-2016, 12:22 AM
Very pleased with D'angelo Russell's progression this season.

SportsFanatic10
03-02-2016, 12:23 AM
Cool Stat: The Heat's FG% of 67.5 tonight matches the best in the NBA since '98...

Scoots
03-02-2016, 12:31 AM
Cool Stat: The Heat's FG% of 67.5 tonight matches the best in the NBA since '98...

At 3:02 left in the 2nd the Hawks line as a team is 40% from 2, 40% from 3, 80% from the line. The Warriors are 50%, 50%, 100%. Just an odd bit of symmetry.

SportsFanatic10
03-02-2016, 12:41 AM
At 3:02 left in the 2nd the Hawks line as a team is 40% from 2, 40% from 3, 80% from the line. The Warriors are 50%, 50%, 100%. Just an odd bit of symmetry.

That's pretty neat...I'm a numbers guy so I can appreciate that lol.

Lakers + Giants
03-02-2016, 12:58 AM
Very pleased with D'angelo Russell's progression this season.

I've been vocal all year about how I wanted Okafor > Russell. Russell has gotten better every month though, I'm hoping like hell he continues this and shuts me the **** up lmao.

eDush
03-02-2016, 01:12 AM
I've been vocal all year about how I wanted Okafor > Russell. Russell has gotten better every month though, I'm hoping like hell he continues this and shuts me the **** up lmao.

You sure you weren't for selecting Russell prior and during the draft but had a change of heart after seeing both of them play in summer league like most Lakers fans i talked to? :)

...only you can answer that :nod:

Lakers + Giants
03-02-2016, 01:21 AM
You sure you weren't for selecting Russell prior and during the draft but had a change of heart after seeing both of them play in summer league like most Lakers fans i talked to? :)

...only you can answer that :nod:

nope, wanted Okafor all along..

eDush
03-02-2016, 01:27 AM
nope, wanted Okafor all along..

Well there is still hope :hope: If the Sixers not able to signed Schroder during this coming off season as i had read as they'replanning to offer him the max. They are in need of a top young PG and might flip Okafor for DeAngelo if he continues to play as well as tonight and the Lakers might have to toss in Randell. Would you do it as a Lakers fan if that's all it would take?

jerellh528
03-02-2016, 01:29 AM
Well there is still hope :hope: If the Sixers not able to signed Schroder during this coming off season as i had read as they'replanning to offer him the max. They are in need of a top young PG and might flip Okafor for DeAngelo if he continues to play as well as tonight and the Lakers might have to toss in Randell. Would you do it as a Lakers fan if that's all it would take?

Trollolol. I don't think you'd find many laker fans that would flip Dlo for okafor str8 up at this point.

eDush
03-02-2016, 01:32 AM
^ that was a question and i know some loyal Lakers fans who would flip them straight up, even after today's results. Okafor is a still one of the best post up center to ever play the game. Russell as more upside but could also end up being a good role player, nothing more so you think about that for a few :nod:

eDush
03-02-2016, 01:36 AM
Trollolol. I don't think you'd find many laker fans that would flip Dlo for okafor str8 up at this point.

....as in his play tonight? Yeah, he's the real deal after what he's doing to the Nets right now :laugh2:

jerellh528
03-02-2016, 01:42 AM
....as in his play tonight? Yeah, he's the real deal after what he's doing to the Nets right now :laugh2:

No. It's obvious you haven't been following his progression.

Lakers + Giants
03-02-2016, 01:46 AM
Well there is still hope :hope: If the Sixers not able to signed Schroder during this coming off season as i had read as they'replanning to offer him the max. They are in need of a top young PG and might flip Okafor for DeAngelo if he continues to play as well as tonight and the Lakers might have to toss in Randell. Would you do it as a Lakers fan if that's all it would take?

Both Randle and Russell for Okafor? NO

Russell for Okafor? I'd be lying if I said I knew the answer to that, I truly don't know. His progression has changed my stance, 2 months ago I would've easily said yes.

Lakers + Giants
03-02-2016, 01:47 AM
D'Lo with 37 pts, 8 threes. Holy ****.

"Ice in my veins" LMFAO

jerellh528
03-02-2016, 01:50 AM
D'Lo with 37 pts, 8 threes. Holy ****.

"Ice in my veins" LMFAO

14-21, 8-12 3s. Nice

Gibby23
03-02-2016, 02:01 AM
Well there is still hope :hope: If the Sixers not able to signed Schroder during this coming off season as i had read as they'replanning to offer him the max. They are in need of a top young PG and might flip Okafor for DeAngelo if he continues to play as well as tonight and the Lakers might have to toss in Randell. Would you do it as a Lakers fan if that's all it would take?

Lol. Lakers ain't trading Russell for an AL Jefferson clone.

You guys might be able to trade him to the Celtics like they talked about before the deadline.

Lakers don't want Okafor, if they did, they could have drafted him. Keep your trash and quit reading rumors in fake websites.

Gibby23
03-02-2016, 02:02 AM
^ that was a question and i know some loyal Lakers fans who would flip them straight up, even after today's results. Okafor is a still one of the best post up center to ever play the game. Russell as more upside but could also end up being a good role player, nothing more so you think about that for a few :nod:

He is just like AL Jefferson. I think he is the biggest minus on the team in the plus/minus stat.

shep33
03-02-2016, 02:03 AM
Russell is gonna be a stud

mngopher35
03-02-2016, 02:05 AM
Wow what a shot from green

eDush
03-02-2016, 02:14 AM
Green is the MVP in this game :cheer:

raiderposting
03-02-2016, 02:15 AM
Yeah the dubs ain't losing 4 more times. Congrats on 73+. You can say this is the nba and anyone can go on a mini slump. They ain't losing 4 more times....

Tony_Starks
03-02-2016, 02:19 AM
Byron Scott is either a genius or a blundering idiot for handcuffing Russell all this time.

I think.....

Aust
03-02-2016, 02:29 AM
Russell! :love:

Curry-esque game from 3 tonight

shep33
03-02-2016, 02:41 AM
Russell is a beast... When Kobe leaves, and Scott is gone, he's gonna be legit.

eDush
03-02-2016, 07:09 AM
OT but if the Lakers had a choice between Scott, Shaw, and Fisher as HC, who would best led them in the rebuilding efforts?

eDush
03-02-2016, 07:34 AM
Lol. Lakers ain't trading Russell for an AL Jefferson clone.

You guys might be able to trade him to the Celtics like they talked about before the deadline.

Lakers don't want Okafor, if they did, they could have drafted him. Keep your trash and quit reading rumors in fake websites.

Yes I'm aware of Okafor being slow footed and a defensive liability which is why it doesn't make much sense for Ainge to trade for him as they advocate man defense especially when I heard they were including Jae along with a high draft pick for him. But then again, it's probably another ruse by Danny boy saying they will be big players during the trading deadline like going after Howard, Holford that they probably end up preventing other teams from getting anything else done.

Tony_Starks
03-02-2016, 10:01 AM
OT but if the Lakers had a choice between Scott, Shaw, and Fisher as HC, who would best led them in the rebuilding efforts?


It's going to be Luke Walton instead of any of those guys...

Green_Monster
03-02-2016, 10:46 AM
Yes I'm aware of Okafor being slow footed and a defensive liability which is why it doesn't make much sense for Ainge to trade for him as they advocate man defense especially when I heard they were including Jae along with a high draft pick for him. But then again, it's probably another ruse by Danny boy saying they will be big players during the trading deadline like going after Howard, Holford that they probably end up preventing other teams from getting anything else done.

Where did you hear that? I heard the high draft pick plus more, but I never heard about Crowder being involved. Crowder is playing really well this year. I hope he gets more recognition come playoff time.

likemystylez
03-02-2016, 10:49 AM
Russell is a beast... When Kobe leaves, and Scott is gone, he's gonna be legit.

a beast... no.

beasts are like mvp candidates, all nba team members, all stars,- i doubt russel even gets rookie of the year. the word is pronounced BUST not beast

eDush
03-02-2016, 11:45 AM
Dup. Delete pls

eDush
03-02-2016, 11:45 AM
Dup. Delete post pls

eDush
03-02-2016, 11:45 AM
Where did you hear that? I heard the high draft pick plus more, but I never heard about Crowder being involved. Crowder is playing really well this year. I hope he gets more recognition come playoff time.

I didn't hear it, I read it at a Celtic rumor blog like I read they were interested in Howard, Holford, Love, you named it because Danny boy is spinning his web that make you think everything is legit and you probably believed it. He also said NO ONE on his squad was untouchable also so Jae was included if he can get what he wanted. I'm glad the Sixers turn it down if true cause I prefer Okafor over anything they have.

Scoots
03-02-2016, 12:04 PM
Where did you hear that? I heard the high draft pick plus more, but I never heard about Crowder being involved. Crowder is playing really well this year. I hope he gets more recognition come playoff time.

eDush is always thinking Crowder is available. It looks to me like he's not going anywhere.

Scoots
03-02-2016, 12:05 PM
a beast... no.

beasts are like mvp candidates, all nba team members, all stars,- i doubt russel even gets rookie of the year. the word is pronounced BUST not beast

Russel is clearly not a bust. He may still reach beast level ... but not this year, and probably not next. The Lakers are still a mess, we'll have to wait and see if they get it straightened out.

eDush
03-02-2016, 12:15 PM
eDush is always thinking Crowder is available. It looks to me like he's not going anywhere.

I have said I would trade Barnes for him but I would never trade Okafor for him or anyone on the Celtics no name roster. The Sixers finally got a future superstar so they just need to stop trading for more future picks and start building around him. All they need is for Embiid to come back next season and a legit PG and SG. If they can get Schroder and a draft a sharp shooter in the draft in the same mode like a Middleton or Klay....watch out!!

shep33
03-02-2016, 12:24 PM
a beast... no.

beasts are like mvp candidates, all nba team members, all stars,- i doubt russel even gets rookie of the year. the word is pronounced BUST not beast

For his age, he's a great talent. Lol, didn't know "beast" meant MVPs, sorry, I didn't see that definition in the dictionary.

Lol my point is, he's gonna be good. He is not a bust. If you put him on Philly, he'd be in a closer race with KAT for ROY. Not saying he'd win, but his stats would be a lot better.

Try playing with ball hogs like Kobe, Nick and Lou. Plus a coach who pulls you out for no reason and doesn't play you.

He's been really good since January.

Green_Monster
03-02-2016, 01:05 PM
I didn't hear it, I read it at a Celtic rumor blog like I read they were interested in Howard, Holford, Love, you named it because Danny boy is spinning his web that make you think everything is legit and you probably believed it. He also said NO ONE on his squad was untouchable also so Jae was included if he can get what he wanted. I'm glad the Sixers turn it down if true cause I prefer Okafor over anything they have.

You said you heard it, but okay. I do believe that Danny Ainge tried to acquire a star, because that's what happened. He obviously wasn't able to pull it off, but he knows that's what the Celtics need. What are you trying to say?

I don't think that Crowder was ever involved in those talks. Steve Bulpett was the one who originally put out the rumor. He mentions the Brooklyn '16 pick, but not Crowder. (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/02/danny_ainge_makes_team_better_with_waiting)


eDush is always thinking Crowder is available. It looks to me like he's not going anywhere.

Ah, okay, that makes sense now. With Crowder improving every game, and being on a steal of a contract, Ainge probably wasn't tossing his name around in many trade offers. In the right deal he could probably go, but he's a huge part of the Celtics identity and good play this year. I sure hope they hold onto him.

Gibby23
03-02-2016, 01:10 PM
a beast... no.

beasts are like mvp candidates, all nba team members, all stars,- i doubt russel even gets rookie of the year. the word is pronounced BUST not beast

Lol, that dictates how good a player will be. ban yourself.

eDush
03-02-2016, 02:26 PM
Dup delete

eDush
03-02-2016, 02:28 PM
Dup delete

eDush
03-02-2016, 02:29 PM
I didn't hear it, I read it at a Celtic rumor blog like I read they were interested in Howard, Holford, Love, you named it because Danny boy is spinning his web that make you think everything is legit and you probably believed it. He also said NO ONE on his squad was untouchable also so Jae was included if he can get what he wanted. I'm glad the Sixers turn it down if true cause I prefer Okafor over anything they have.
Ah, okay, that makes sense now. With Crowder improving every game, and being on a steal of a contract, Ainge probably wasn't tossing his name around in many trade offers. In the right deal he could probably go, but he's a huge part of the Celtics identity and good play this year. I sure hope they hold onto him.

If Ainge want to require a star that can make a difference in the playoffs now, Okafor wouldn't be that piece this season and the Sixers NEVER indicated he was available either which means Ainge approach the Sixers in trying to fleeced them like they have with the Nets, Mavs, etc.

If Boston needed to make a difference now during the deadline to make a dent in the playoffs push, he cold have gotten stars that were floated around for trade like Howard, Holford, Love, Monroe. Since nothing happened other then some ruse, it's possible Danny was never interested in getting an available big name to make that playoffs push but was trying to fleeced the Sixers on a young star of the future :(

Let me know if I am off in that assessment....

Scoots
03-02-2016, 02:39 PM
From what I heard the Okafor thing was just a smoke screen and the real target was Love.

mngopher35
03-02-2016, 02:51 PM
I agree on crowder being undervalued by the casual fan for sure. Everyone always talks about 3/d wings because every team needs them and he is excellent in that kinda role as a starter plus his contract is going to look great over the next couple years. The other night he had a big late 3 to help get the win so within his role he can still make plays too. I'm sure anyone who was talking to Boston asked for him to be included (not that Boston wouldn't offer in the right situation either but I'm sure other teams would ask).

Russell has looked better and shows flashes of what they were hoping he would become. Didn't watch last night but looks/sounds like he killed it. Saying a rookie is a beast has nothing to do with being an MVP player, it is more about their skill set as a rookie and showing (not necessarily maintaining) great play. Towns isn't an MVP player and has been called that all season even earlier when he hit a little slump (granted he has been unbelievable so slightly different but not top player yet).

eDush
03-02-2016, 03:03 PM
From what I heard the Okafor thing was just a smoke screen and the real target was Love.

Possibly but why would Ainge use a diversion to get Love? The Cavs certainly didn't help themselves by indicating they wanted a star in return since Boston don't have any....

I personally think the Cavs was floating Love's name as a fear tactic smoke screen to get him to play better otherwise they will trade him off for good next time. They know K Love is the key if he can be that consistent offensive domino like he was in Minny so we will see if it will light his fire in the playoffs or not :nod:

shep33
03-02-2016, 03:10 PM
Without a doubt Towns is the ROY and future superstar. Love him, I think Russell is the best guard in the draft, but Towns ***** on everyone

Green_Monster
03-02-2016, 03:11 PM
If Ainge want to require a star that can make a difference in the playoffs now, Okafor wouldn't be that piece this season and the Sixers NEVER indicated he was available either which means Ainge approach the Sixers in trying to fleeced them like they have with the Nets, Mavs, etc.

If Boston needed to make a difference now during the deadline to make a dent in the playoffs push, he cold have gotten stars that were floated around for trade like Howard, Holford, Love, Monroe. Since nothing happened other then some ruse, it's possible Danny was never interested in getting an available big name to make that playoffs push but was trying to fleeced the Sixers on a young star of the future :(

Let me know if I am off in that assessment....

I like Okafor but let's not pretend he's a lock in for being a future star or superstar. If Ainge was offering the projected 3rd/4th pick and more for him, I don't think he was trying to "fleece" anyone.

mngopher35
03-02-2016, 03:21 PM
Without a doubt Towns is the ROY and future superstar. Love him, I think Russell is the best guard in the draft, but Towns ***** on everyone

I mean he compares to Davis statistically as a rookie and Duncan isn't extremely far off (plus consider pop vs. Mitchell and their teams) with his modern skill set. Just because Porzingis/Okafor/Russell and others aren't quite that level right now means little about them. He just is in that very rare group while those guys are in the "many other years, in right situation, might win ROY" group.

The past month Russell is averaging 17/4 on 50% shooting and 51% from 3 (4.6 per game taken too) and that is just 30 mpg. I know you guys have coaching issues as well which could be holding him back.

CHANGO
03-02-2016, 03:30 PM
LMAO, this thread jumps from 2 pages to 5 pages and there I am thinking it would be people going crazy about Hawks vs Warriors, and the talk is about Russell. :laugh:

I'm surprised nobody here complained about the reffing in that game. Awful calls on the last minutes of the game, 4 undeserving free throws for Klay. The Hack-a-Bogut was stupid when the Warriors weren't in bonification tied at 94? Hawks defense was playing good and the W's O was struggling, coach Bud didn't trust his defense and paid the price.

Green with that big lucky shot LMAO. But his shooting looks horrible, same with Barnes, Klay was struggling too. Barbosa and Bogut were the killers.

CHANGO
03-02-2016, 03:32 PM
BTW Millsap and Horford's releases are a joke, they are so slow releasing that ball especially when they are on the 3pt line, Millsap did like 100 times the pump fake three and then tried to drive by Dray. The release is so slow it gives the defender time to contest the shot.

eDush
03-02-2016, 03:49 PM
I like Okafor but let's not pretend he's a lock in for being a future star or superstar. If Ainge was offering the projected 3rd/4th pick and more for him, I don't think he was trying to "fleece" anyone.

I didn't say he's a lock but I put it at 87% that he will be if he doesn't suffer any unforeseen injuries. Much better odds than Russell becoming a superstar that i estimate closer to 19% which is generous. His upside potential is higher than Okafor but it will be harder for him to reach and will most likely end up being a good all star but not a superstar even if he show flashes as one last night. If he turns out to be as good as Kyle Lowry, that's good too but he is no superstar while Okafor can be the next Duncan which i prefer :)

Gibby23
03-02-2016, 04:00 PM
I didn't say he's a lock but I put it at 87% that he will be if he doesn't suffer any unforeseen injuries. Much better odds than Russell becoming a superstar that i estimate closer to 19% which is generous. His upside potential is higher than Okafor but it will be harder for him to reach and will most likely end up being a good all star but not a superstar even if he show flashes as one last night. If he turns out to be as good as Kyle Lowry, that's good too but he is no superstar while Okafor can be the next Duncan which i prefer :)

Lol. You're funny. Okafor isn't a scrub but he is going to be more AL Jefferson than Duncan. He will not touch Superstar status. Russell has a way better chance at being a star than Okafor. You have a brook Lopez on your hands.

Green_Monster
03-02-2016, 04:14 PM
I didn't say he's a lock but I put it at 87% that he will be if he doesn't suffer any unforeseen injuries. Much better odds than Russell becoming a superstar that i estimate closer to 19% which is generous. His upside potential is higher than Okafor but it will be harder for him to reach and will most likely end up being a good all star but not a superstar even if he show flashes as one last night. If he turns out to be as good as Kyle Lowry, that's good too but he is no superstar while Okafor can be the next Duncan which i prefer :)

Okafor isn't going to be the next Duncan. His chance at such is probably below 1%. Like someone else said, Al Jefferson is a closer comparison.

Scoots
03-02-2016, 04:53 PM
Possibly but why would Ainge use a diversion to get Love? The Cavs certainly didn't help themselves by indicating they wanted a star in return since Boston don't have any....

I personally think the Cavs was floating Love's name as a fear tactic smoke screen to get him to play better otherwise they will trade him off for good next time. They know K Love is the key if he can be that consistent offensive domino like he was in Minny so we will see if it will light his fire in the playoffs or not :nod:

Ainge wasn't using a diversion to get Love ... he was close to getting Love and the Cavs pulled out last seconds. He didn't say who it was (he'd get in trouble). The Okafor name was leaked days later as a smoke screen to protect the Cavs and Ainge's relationship with the Cavs for possible later trades.

eDush
03-02-2016, 05:13 PM
Ainge wasn't using a diversion to get Love ... he was close to getting Love and the Cavs pulled out last seconds. He didn't say who it was (he'd get in trouble). The Okafor name was leaked days later as a smoke screen to protect the Cavs and Ainge's relationship with the Cavs for possible later trades.

Fair enough but if the offer involves Jae along with one of their many guards like Evan and then toss in David Lee to make the salary work plus their own lower 1st round pick or two, I would jump on that and run like the wind. No star star but I think it's more than fair since Boston wanted to dump Lee for the longest time :nod:

But I'm sure the Cavs wanted much much more :(

eDush
03-02-2016, 09:56 PM
Possibly but why would Ainge use a diversion to get Love? The Cavs certainly didn't help themselves by indicating they wanted a star in return since Boston don't have any....

I personally think the Cavs was floating Love's name as a fear tactic smoke screen to get him to play better otherwise they will trade him off for good next time. They know K Love is the key if he can be that consistent offensive domino like he was in Minny so we will see if it will light his fire in the playoffs or not :nod:

Ainge wasn't using a diversion to get Love ... he was close to getting Love and the Cavs pulled out last seconds. He didn't say who it was (he'd get in trouble). The Okafor name was leaked days later as a smoke screen to protect the Cavs and Ainge's relationship with the Cavs for possible later trades.

Still doubt what you said is actually true that the Cavs back out in the last seconds unless you can provide a link or a source because if it's done in secrecy then how you found out Scoots because if you know what went down, then the smoke screen with Okafor didn't work right? ...since you know about it too and spilling the beans on a forum. Now reports has indicate that the Celtics was trying to fleeced Butler from the Bulls with draft picks if they also take Lee to make the salary work. Next we will hear they tried to fleeced us for Draymond but we laugh at them by telling them this is not Billy King here :laugh2:

zn23
03-02-2016, 10:50 PM
Lowry is playing at a really high level right now.

This time last year he was slowing down considerably in February, now he's playing the best ball of his career. Losing those 15 lbs in the offseason is really paying off.

kobe4thewinbang
03-02-2016, 11:14 PM
Dunno where to post this, but one allegedly shady and indicted fracking billionaire owner of the OKC Thunder may have drove his car into a wall. One of the guys that bought the Sonics and moved them without league's approval and a $250,000 fine to boot. I wonder if the Thunder are on the up and up or if that might be one reason why Durant scurries in the off-season.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/03/02/thunder-part-owner-dies-in-crash.ap/

jerellh528
03-02-2016, 11:20 PM
Dlo 17 first half points on 50%. His confidence is growing

c.c.
03-02-2016, 11:30 PM
The Rockets play like they're tanking 😑

goingfor28
03-02-2016, 11:44 PM
Steven Adams may have the greatest hair/stache combo in the league.

jason
03-03-2016, 01:10 AM
Steven Adams may have the greatest hair/stache combo in the league.
Lol

JAZZNC
03-03-2016, 01:22 AM
Austin Rivers is not good at basketball.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 01:28 AM
Austin Rivers is not good at basketball.

Post. Of. The. Year. :)

zn23
03-03-2016, 01:44 AM
OKC is choking away the game again...

Vincent
03-03-2016, 01:47 AM
Can't believe OKC is going to lose this game

Scoots
03-03-2016, 01:58 AM
WOW. OKC is either going to rally or show up shook for Saturday's game. The Warriors rested 2 guys to get them ready for the game ... looks like OKC just rested in the 4th quarter tonight.

zn23
03-03-2016, 01:58 AM
lol what a choke job.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 02:04 AM
Portland-Boston ... the difference in the game was 23, Dame and CJ both were saddled by -22 +/- for the game.

Looks like Boston is a bad matchup for Portland :)

Chronz
03-03-2016, 03:52 AM
Steven Adams may have the greatest hair/stache combo in the league.

lol. My girl swears he looks mexican. kept comparing him to pancho villa.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 10:55 AM
So, did Russ jack up that outrageous 3 because he wanted to be like Steph?

Scoots
03-03-2016, 10:58 AM
Can someone explain this to me? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zP7haK0DOc

Vee-Rex
03-03-2016, 11:14 AM
Can someone explain this to me? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zP7haK0DOc

LOL that's pretty bad

valade16
03-03-2016, 11:21 AM
Portland-Boston ... the difference in the game was 23, Dame and CJ both were saddled by -22 +/- for the game.

Looks like Boston is a bad matchup for Portland :)

We have no one who can guard quicker guards. Anytime we play a quick/quality guard we get tore up. Well except for that one anomaly at GS.

ewing
03-03-2016, 12:56 PM
lol. My girl swears he looks mexican. kept comparing him to pancho villa.

girls who know historical references and incorporate them into jokes are "fools gold"

bucketss
03-03-2016, 01:34 PM
WOW. OKC is either going to rally or show up shook for Saturday's game. The Warriors rested 2 guys to get them ready for the game ... looks like OKC just rested in the 4th quarter tonight.

you mean today's game :) it will be real interesting tonight.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 01:44 PM
girls who know historical references and incorporate them into jokes are "fools gold"

In my experience the best girls have older brothers and are capable of laughing at body noises.

And always remember ... no matter how beautiful and wonderful she may be, someone somewhere is tired of her crap.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 01:47 PM
you mean today's game :) it will be real interesting tonight.

Yeah. Why I thought it was Saturday I have no idea.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 01:58 PM
Just read the stat that the Sixers lead the NBA in losing games after leading in the 4th quarter ... just ahead of OKC. Ouch.

goingfor28
03-03-2016, 02:05 PM
Can someone explain this to me? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zP7haK0DOc
Loooool at that being a foul on Holliday

Saddletramp
03-03-2016, 02:11 PM
Loooool at that being a foul on Holliday

Pretty sure when you're a guarding a guy by being in front of him and you bend over and stick your butt into him like that, it's not exactly legal. That just doesn't look like something the NBA wants to have its players eligible to do.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 02:28 PM
Pretty sure when you're a guarding a guy by being in front of him and you bend over and stick your butt into him like that, it's not exactly legal. That just doesn't look like something the NBA wants to have its players eligible to do.

Holiday didn't back up though ... Harden jumped on his back. No doubt Harden knows the rules, but if that is the within the spirit of the rule that is a REALLY dumb rule. See someone facing away, walk up and jump on them and get free throws.

2-ONE-5
03-03-2016, 02:30 PM
Just read the stat that the Sixers lead the NBA in losing games after leading in the 4th quarter ... just ahead of OKC. Ouch.

we had to be up there last year too, at least most games were close/winnable heading into the worth if we werent leading. The lack of experience shows with each loss for the most part.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 02:41 PM
we had to be up there last year too, at least most games were close/winnable heading into the worth if we werent leading. The lack of experience shows with each loss for the most part.

I figure the Sixers are on the list because of inexperience, soft guard play (more early in the year), and that they WANT to lose.

But OKC being second on the list? With all-nba talent on the team and toughened by playoff experience? That's just bad.

CHANGO
03-03-2016, 02:53 PM
Oh Thunder... The Thunder never cease to amaze me... That team...

2-ONE-5
03-03-2016, 02:54 PM
def inexcusable for OKC. I actually took them last night but was in bed shortly after the game started on the east coast. Didnt mind seeing that they lost until i saw what happened.

JAZZNC
03-03-2016, 02:55 PM
Post. Of. The. Year. :)

I was watching that game last night and those were literally the only words I could use to describe what I was seeing! I'm sitting there thinking "how is this guy even in the NBA" and then I remember his dad is the coach AND GM of the team.....

You know it's bad when a Jazz fan looks at a NBA PG that gets serious burn and says "that guy wouldn't help".

Scoots
03-03-2016, 03:36 PM
I was watching that game last night and those were literally the only words I could use to describe what I was seeing! I'm sitting there thinking "how is this guy even in the NBA" and then I remember his dad is the coach AND GM of the team.....

You know it's bad when a Jazz fan looks at a NBA PG that gets serious burn and says "that guy wouldn't help".

AND he gets play down the stretch in close games.

He makes the occasional play but the total package is bad. He's kind of like Crawford but instead of streaky good whole games he just has 2-3 plays in a row that are good followed by 6 that are not.

Saddletramp
03-03-2016, 04:18 PM
Holiday didn't back up though ... Harden jumped on his back. No doubt Harden knows the rules, but if that is the within the spirit of the rule that is a REALLY dumb rule. See someone facing away, walk up and jump on them and get free throws.

Yeah, he bent over. Harden didn't have to lean over him but you can't bend over like that. It didn't look to me like Harden put much pressure on him either. If "hey, a guy is touching me so I'm going to make it look like he's pushing hard enough to make me move" than that's a flop and no one should have a problem with the flop being called.

I know I sound like a homer, but c'mon. If they let that kind of stuff go, the whole league will be contorting their bodies on light contact like a bunch of ballerina dancers.



Eta: yeah, every time I watch it Holiday just slows down and sticks his butt out. What are you complaining about?

JAZZNC
03-03-2016, 04:59 PM
Yeah, he bent over. Harden didn't have to lean over him but you can't bend over like that. It didn't look to me like Harden put much pressure on him either. If "hey, a guy is touching me so I'm going to make it look like he's pushing hard enough to make me move" than that's a flop and no one should have a problem with the flop being called.

I know I sound like a homer, but c'mon. If they let that kind of stuff go, the whole league will be contorting their bodies on light contact like a bunch of ballerina dancers.



Eta: yeah, every time I watch it Holiday just slows down and sticks his butt out. What are you complaining about?
How can you look at what Harden did and think that is within the spirit of the game? Name me one legit player that would pull some ignorant crap like that? This is the kind of play that defines who Harden is as a player and completely explains why you aren't ever gonna win a damn thing with Harden as your main guy. And Houston homers wonder why people can't stand Harden's game.

Gander13SM
03-03-2016, 05:27 PM
So, are Curry and Iguodala playing? Last I heard they were still GTD.

What about Westbrook? Looked like he hurt his hand last night on one of his plays down the stretch.

Saddletramp
03-03-2016, 05:37 PM
How can you look at what Harden did and think that is within the spirit of the game? Name me one legit player that would pull some ignorant crap like that? This is the kind of play that defines who Harden is as a player and completely explains why you aren't ever gonna win a damn thing with Harden as your main guy. And Houston homers wonder why people can't stand Harden's game.

Holiday threw his *** out. The only things Harden could have done was hop on or grind his D into Holiday ***/lower back.

I get why people hate Harden but Jesus H. Think about it this way, if guys are allowed to just front a guy and then stick their butts out to get the guy they're defending off balance and push into him, would that be fun to watch? And honestly, Harden is the type of guy that will exploit you when you're doing something wrong (like a lot of great players). Have your hand out, he's going to shoot through you and get the call even if he wasn't planning on shooting right then. Looking to draw a charge? He euro steps. See him driving down the lane? He holds the ball out so you try to slap it and get his arm. Stick your butt out illegally? He'll hop on (instead of grind you like a stripper) to draw attention to what you're illegally doing.

JAZZNC
03-03-2016, 06:11 PM
Holiday threw his *** out. The only things Harden could have done was hop on or grind his D into Holiday ***/lower back.

I get why people hate Harden but Jesus H. Think about it this way, if guys are allowed to just front a guy and then stick their butts out to get the guy they're defending off balance and push into him, would that be fun to watch? And honestly, Harden is the type of guy that will exploit you when you're doing something wrong (like a lot of great players). Have your hand out, he's going to shoot through you and get the call even if he wasn't planning on shooting right then. Looking to draw a charge? He euro steps. See him driving down the lane? He holds the ball out so you try to slap it and get his arm. Stick your butt out illegally? He'll hop on (instead of grind you like a stripper) to draw attention to what you're illegally doing.

You act like his only option was to jump on his back? That is a completely ridiculous argument. There is a miriade of actual basketball plays he could have made there. But instead of thinking about actual basketball he thinks "I'll just jump on his back and hang on until I get a foul called". That's not basketball man. And like I said, that is the kind of crap that defines him as a player. And I'm still waiting for you to give me one example of a top quality player doing any kinda Busch league stuff like that. That's the kinda stupidness that guys like JR Smith and Lance Stephenson do. You can try to justify it all you want but that doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

Saddletramp
03-03-2016, 06:18 PM
You act like his only option was to jump on his back? That is a completely ridiculous argument. There is a miriade of actual basketball plays he could have made there. But instead of thinking about actual basketball he thinks "I'll just jump on his back and hang on until I get a foul called". That's not basketball man. And like I said, that is the kind of crap that defines him as a player. And I'm still waiting for you to give me one example of a top quality player doing any kinda Busch league stuff like that. That's the kinda stupidness that guys like JR Smith and Lance Stephenson do. You can try to justify it all you want but that doesn't make it any less ridiculous.


What Hoilday did wasn't basketball and he did it first but he's not Harden so he gets a pass. I get it.

As for an example of someone else doing something like this? Guys flop around all the time to draw fouls. Guys jump in the air all the time when their defender jumps to draw a foul. Give me a break.

If this were anyone but Harden, it'd be no big deal. Just more fuel on his hate fire.

Saddletramp
03-03-2016, 06:24 PM
Also, what else could he have done in that one second it took for that to happen? You're running, your defender is right in front of you and he stops and bends over. You either butt**** him (and probably knock him over because he'll probably flop down) or jump up so your d doesn't grind into his rear.

Vee-Rex
03-03-2016, 06:57 PM
Also, what else could he have done in that one second it took for that to happen? You're running, your defender is right in front of you and he stops and bends over. You either butt**** him (and probably knock him over because he'll probably flop down) or jump up so your d doesn't grind into his rear.

Harden's the guy on offense, he could've easily went around him or even stopped or just backed up, and went another direction.

I looked over it multiple times and it's not as bad as I originally, thought. I think it should've been a foul on both.

Saddletramp
03-03-2016, 08:11 PM
Harden's the guy on offense, he could've easily went around him or even stopped or just backed up, and went another direction.

I looked over it multiple times and it's not as bad as I originally, thought. I think it should've been a foul on both.

A) In the case of a "double foul", the first offense should be called. Holiday stuck his butt out for some reason impeding Harden's progress then Harden (in that one second) had no where to go but through or over. Since Harden wasn't out of control, he lifted up instead of humping Holiday.

B) There was no time to do something else. It was literally a second and I'm sure Harden wasn't watching to see if Holiday was going to just stop and bend over.

C) If this was the other way around and Holiday hopped on the back of Harden after Harden just stopped and bent over in front of him this would either be ignored or put on Harden's Defense YouTube channel under the heading of Harden's **** Me In My *** Defense.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 08:37 PM
I don't buy that Harden had no choice but to jump on him. He was under control and could have just stopped.

I've never seen this before in over 30 years of watching basketball ... I don't believe that that is in the spirit of the game.

As far as I'm concerned offensive players should not be able to go through defensive players. If a defender is stopped the offensive player should go around, and if he can't the foul should be on the player creating the contact. The same as it is the other way around. Some contact is fine, but not excessive. This doesn't apply to a player in the air obviously but Harden wasn't in the air.

As far as player sticking their butts out ... if you think that should be called a foul you have not watched much basketball at all. Scouts actually talk about the quality of players rumps because they are a useful tool.

tredigs
03-03-2016, 09:25 PM
Lol... he's going 0 MPH and jumps on his back in order to get the foul due to Jrue "impeding his path". Every other player in the league just does a slight swim move and runs around the player. Harden though, is both a bit lazy and a master of gaming the refs, so he just jumps on his back in order to get FT's. Smart play. Also, why everyone can't stand James Harden.

Saddletramp
03-03-2016, 09:29 PM
I don't buy that Harden had no choice but to jump on him. He was under control and could have just stopped.

In the one second it happened with momentum?


I've never seen this before in over 30 years of watching basketball ... I don't believe that that is in the spirit of the game.

Neither is stopping and sticking your butt out.


As far as I'm concerned offensive players should not be able to go through defensive players.

If he was turned around trying to take a charge, sure. With his back to Harden, stopped and bent over? Nope.


If a defender is stopped the offensive player should go around, and if he can't the foul should be on the player creating the contact.

So on Holiday for throwing out his butt. Gotcha/we agree.


The same as it is the other way around. Some contact is fine, but not excessive. This doesn't apply to a player in the air obviously but Harden wasn't in the air.

Butt out = excessive, no? That's not playing defense. That's just stopping and trying to use your leverage to get your man off his feet, which is exactly what happened.


As far as player sticking their butts out ... if you think that should be called a foul you have not watched much basketball at all. Scouts actually talk about the quality of players rumps because they are a useful tool.

Sure, to an extent. That was too much. If players start doing that every play it will just be a big hump video. And I'll stop watching as while I'm not against people humping whomever they want, I just don't particularly want to watch grown men humping each other.


Like I said, if this wasn't Harden, no one would give a darn.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 09:43 PM
If you get low your butt is going to go out some. That's what happens. Harden was totally in control and could have done something else, but he didn't. I've consistently defended Harden for his mastery of the rules/refs and that part of the game ... this was just an egregious step beyond what he usually does to me.

I don't know that anyone gives a darn anyhow, mostly I just found it funny.

naps
03-03-2016, 09:52 PM
Also, why everyone can't stand James Harden.

Harden's game irritates me on both ends. He's overrated. Honest opinion.

Saddletramp
03-03-2016, 10:03 PM
If you get low your butt is going to go out some. That's what happens.

And then there's a point where it's called as a foul.


Harden was totally in control and could have done something else, but he didn't.

Looking back at it, when Holiday droops over, his right buttock is at an angle preventing Harden from passing (albeit slightly) by contacting the area around the inside right thigh of Harden. Harden could have glanced off of it but in that half second after contact, he just took the ride. Plus, once you're on someone in a piggyback fashion and your momentum (however slight) is going the same way they are, it's hard to get off.


I've consistently defended Harden for his mastery of the rules/refs and that part of the game ... this was just an egregious step beyond what he usually does to me.

And he didn't even create the contact, impede anyone or commit a foul!


I don't know that anyone gives a darn anyhow, mostly I just found it funny.

Multiple people apparently did give a darn, that's why I defended Harden.



Anyways, whatever. Time to move on to tonight's games.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 10:49 PM
And then

...

Anyways, whatever. Time to move on to tonight's games.

Indeed.

Warriors going for 50 games over .500 in game 60.

kdspurman
03-03-2016, 11:22 PM
Kawhi and LMA man... starting to come together slowly. These guys have taken over a few games lately. Fun to watch

kdspurman
03-03-2016, 11:25 PM
13-0 on second nights of back to backs. These guys have been stellar, and beating teams comfortably

zn23
03-03-2016, 11:25 PM
Very impressive run at the end of the 4th by the Spurs. Down by 7 to win by 8 in like 4 minutes.

LionsFan..LOL
03-03-2016, 11:29 PM
Honestly there are the only 2 teams I have bothered to watch this season, besides the Pistons and that's GSW and San Antonio. GSW beating ATL a few nights ago without Curry, Igoudala and Klay struggling was impressive as is San Antonio's last few minutes here where they just turned on god mode and beat up the Pelicans. If we don't get a San Antonio-GSW series this postseason I'm going to feel ripped off.

Scoots
03-03-2016, 11:59 PM
Is it possible KD is dumb? He's incredibly skilled but he has bouts of BAD fundamentals and he makes bizarre decisions in close games. Is it coaching failing him or him failing coaching?

I've been a fan from a distance from his first days, but I've been looking closer and I wonder.

In his defense his teammates seem to often have the same shortcomings so it could be drafting or it could really be coaching.

Anyhow ... we now return you to your games ...

ewing
03-04-2016, 12:03 AM
Lol... he's going 0 MPH and jumps on his back in order to get the foul due to Jrue "impeding his path". Every other player in the league just does a slight swim move and runs around the player. Harden though, is both a bit lazy and a master of gaming the refs, so he just jumps on his back in order to get FT's. Smart play. Also, why everyone can't stand James Harden.

that's exactly what it is and its the same way people felt about Reggie Miller 20 years ago. I have no problem with people hating him for it, they should. Maybe if he is playoff killer for the next 20 years i'll start to respect him for it

ewing
03-04-2016, 12:06 AM
this Curry fella can really shoot

nastynice
03-04-2016, 12:20 AM
Mo buckets can really shoot! lol

aman_13
03-04-2016, 12:24 AM
OKC should try to attack on Curry every time. Make him defend.

Captain Moroni
03-04-2016, 12:34 AM
These two teams (GS, OKC) do not disappoint.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 12:37 AM
Steph shoots better further from the hoop. He needs to shoot more out there.

Corey
03-04-2016, 12:47 AM
Steph isnt fair.

Its absurd. If you guard him a step or two behind the line he'll take you off the dribble before you can react...If you give him space he's going to make you pay. You cant do anything about it.

ewing
03-04-2016, 12:50 AM
Steph shoots better further from the hoop. He needs to shoot more out there.

in 5 years everyone is going to be hitting pull up 40 footers :)

aman_13
03-04-2016, 12:52 AM
Steph isnt fair.

Its absurd. If you guard him a step or two behind the line he'll take you off the dribble before you can react...If you give him space he's going to make you pay. You cant do anything about it.

You can make him work on D. He doesn't have to exert much energy on that end. The Warriors do a good job hiding him.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 12:58 AM
You can make him work on D. He doesn't have to exert much energy on that end. The Warriors do a good job hiding him.

He does work on D ... he chases, he fights through screens. I think he's just got crazy stamina.

aman_13
03-04-2016, 01:07 AM
He does work on D ... he chases, he fights through screens. I think he's just got crazy stamina.

He definitely does minimum work on D.

Corey
03-04-2016, 01:09 AM
You can make him work on D. He doesn't have to exert much energy on that end. The Warriors do a good job hiding him.

If you have solid defense at the 3-4-5, point guard defense really doesnt matter much (except against steph)

aman_13
03-04-2016, 01:12 AM
If you have solid defense at the 3-4-5, point guard defense really doesnt matter much (except against steph)

Yeah because he is playing with good defenders, they can hide him.

ewing
03-04-2016, 01:23 AM
thank god. i'm sick of this guy hitting 30 foot buzzer beaters.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 01:28 AM
He definitely does minimum work on D.

He's started as primary on Westbrook. He's not their best defender, but he puts out the effort.

jason
03-04-2016, 01:30 AM
Yeah because he is playing with good defenders, they can hide him.
His definitely isn't really that bad.. I would say Westbrook does just as much if not less

aman_13
03-04-2016, 01:32 AM
He's started as primary on Westbrook. He's not their best defender, but he puts out the effort.

I'm not saying he doesn't play with effort on D, he just doesn't have to defend as much. They do a good job hiding him.

I would like to see more players post him up. Even Robertson who I've noticed Curry guarding a lot.

aman_13
03-04-2016, 01:34 AM
His definitely isn't really that bad.. I would say Westbrook does just as much if not less

Westbrook guards Curry. Curry doesn't.

jason
03-04-2016, 01:39 AM
Westbrook guards Curry. Curry doesn't.
I would say that's mostly due to Klay being a better defender

aman_13
03-04-2016, 01:44 AM
I would say that's mostly due to Klay being a better defender

That's exactly it. Curry has that convenience.

Westbrook a couple plays ago got Curry on the switch, rather than attacking him off a pick, he should of cleared out and post him up. That would of caused a double.

OKC becomes way too stagnate on offense down the stretch.

Vincent
03-04-2016, 01:47 AM
Why does Westbrook keep shooting threes when he's 1-8?

Vincent
03-04-2016, 01:50 AM
I would say though, Westbrook has played Curry pretty physically on defense

zn23
03-04-2016, 01:51 AM
Another 4th Quarter collapse by the Thunder.... they're rattled.

Dade County
03-04-2016, 01:52 AM
Either way, it was a good game.

I think OKC needs players that can out gun GS. Maybe if they had a unit like this they could put out on the court, they might be able to beat GS.

West
Harden
KD
J Green
Ibaka

Scoots
03-04-2016, 01:54 AM
KD is 1 assist and 1 TO from a quadruple double.

JAZZNC
03-04-2016, 01:55 AM
Either way, it was a good game.

I think OKC needs players that can out gun GS. Maybe if they had a unit like this they could put out on the court, they might be able to beat GS.

West
Harden
KD
J Green
Ibaka

I see what you did there, very clever....

Vincent
03-04-2016, 01:57 AM
Steph Curry is just a monster

Scoots
03-04-2016, 02:00 AM
Westbrook guards Curry. Curry doesn't.

That's wrong. Curry has been on Westbrook a lot. Teams that switch all the time can't really hide players as much as teams that don't. Why does OKC run a pick n roll with Westbrook and Ibaka and get Curry on Ibaka and not give the ball to Ibaka? I have no idea. But I'm not going to blame Curry for not being on Westbrook because of a PnR.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 02:02 AM
Wow ... Waiters with a -24 in 20 minutes.

JAZZNC
03-04-2016, 02:03 AM
KD is 1 assist and 1 TO from a quadruple double.
Ha! I have always thought those should count, you gotta try pretty hard to get 10 turnovers!

aman_13
03-04-2016, 02:03 AM
That's wrong. Curry has been on Westbrook a lot. Teams that switch all the time can't really hide players as much as teams that don't. Why does OKC run a pick n roll with Westbrook and Ibaka and get Curry on Ibaka and not give the ball to Ibaka? I have no idea. But I'm not going to blame Curry for not being on Westbrook because of a PnR.

He barely guarded him even without the switches. There is no way Curry is going to guard the other team's best guard.

TrueFan420
03-04-2016, 02:03 AM
I would say that's mostly due to Klay being a better defender

It's not just that but our defense (especially the Death Squad unit) is designed to switch and often.

TrueFan420
03-04-2016, 02:05 AM
Mo Buckets came up big with some timely 3's. He's gonna get himself a nice little pay day with his new extended 3 point range.

aman_13
03-04-2016, 02:08 AM
Mo Buckets came up big with some timely 3's. He's gonna get himself a nice little pay day with his new extended 3 point range.

He never misses lol.

TrueFan420
03-04-2016, 02:11 AM
He never misses lol.

Hahah. I'm just glad he's worked on extending his range. He'd shoot deep 2's all the time. Like he'd basically be standing on the 3 point line deep 2's. It adds a nice new wrinkle to our bench.

ewing
03-04-2016, 02:13 AM
well that wasn't worth staying up for

Scoots
03-04-2016, 02:17 AM
He barely guarded him even without the switches. There is no way Curry is going to guard the other team's best guard.

You are contradicting yourself now ... did he "barely" guard him or is there "no way" he'll guard him?

My only point was that Curry does work on D and he usually starts on the opponent PG, including Westbrook. The idea that Curry doesn't guard anyone and doesn't play D is patently false. The idea that "making Curry play D" will suddenly devastate is offense is not borne out by history.

Curry is not a great defender, he's average ... or maybe a little above average. When an opponent has a bad offensive player Curry can guard him, not to "hide" him so much as that his teammates are better defenders so the better scheme is to use the better defenders on the better offensive players ... but Curry ends up guarding the opponents best offensive players by scheme too. Curry has guarded Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka in this game.

aman_13
03-04-2016, 02:27 AM
You are contradicting yourself now ... did he "barely" guard him or is there "no way" he'll guard him?

My only point was that Curry does work on D and he usually starts on the opponent PG, including Westbrook. The idea that Curry doesn't guard anyone and doesn't play D is patently false. The idea that "making Curry play D" will suddenly devastate is offense is not borne out by history.

Curry is not a great defender, he's average ... or maybe a little above average. When an opponent has a bad offensive player Curry can guard him, not to "hide" him so much as that his teammates are better defenders so the better scheme is to use the better defenders on the better offensive players ... but Curry ends up guarding the opponents best offensive players by scheme too. Curry has guarded Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka in this game.

I mean barely as there will be a times where he will get caught on him but it's not by design. He does play with effort, there is no doubt that about but he's not an above average defender. That's just being biased if you're a Warriors fan. He's average or slightly below average.

aman_13
03-04-2016, 02:30 AM
Also its not a stretch to say that he won't be hitting those long range shots if he's working a little more on D.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 09:50 AM
Also its not a stretch to say that he won't be hitting those long range shots if he's working a little more on D.

Curry does guard Westbrook by design. Watch the game. They usually start matched up straight.

There are 60ish pgs in the nba. Curry is in the top 30 on d. Probably top 20. He lead the nba in steals last year. He's not below average.

Vee-Rex
03-04-2016, 11:43 AM
Hahah. I'm just glad he's worked on extending his range. He'd shoot deep 2's all the time. Like he'd basically be standing on the 3 point line deep 2's. It adds a nice new wrinkle to our bench.

Speights was always a dead eye. When he played for my Cavs I marveled at the long ranged 2's he would consistently knock down. He actually took over some games. I was sad when he left.

Vee-Rex
03-04-2016, 11:55 AM
I'd definitely call Curry a slightly above average defender, if not just above-average defender.

I suppose I don't understand why teams don't make him work harder, though. Looking at last night's game, defenders tried to play closer and he was able to get around them and create space for a 3-point shot (like how he did against Ibaka).

Dellavedova likes to be glued to him, giving him no room to make the dribble moves to create space. It does let Steph get around him and drive to the basket easier, but that's still an expenditure of energy. Curry will not have the energy all game to drive to the basket, ESPECIALLY if you're making him work on the opposite end.

The Cavs actually have a great group of players to accomplish this. Kiss Curry the entire time he's on offense so that he drives to the rim more, and attack with Irving (Curry never guards him though) if Curry is guarding, run JR around screens the whole time if Curry is guarding him, or attack with Bron if Curry is guarding him (and maybe pick up some fouls).

I have yet to see a team base both their ENTIRE offensive and defensive gameplan around expending Curry's energy and attacking him.

Call it Curry Rules... dude is too incredible not to try something drastic.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 12:07 PM
I'd definitely call Curry a slightly above average defender, if not just above-average defender.

I suppose I don't understand why teams don't make him work harder, though. Looking at last night's game, defenders tried to play closer and he was able to get around them and create space for a 3-point shot (like how he did against Ibaka).

Dellavedova likes to be glued to him, giving him no room to make the dribble moves to create space. It does let Steph get around him and drive to the basket easier, but that's still an expenditure of energy. Curry will not have the energy all game to drive to the basket, ESPECIALLY if you're making him work on the opposite end.

The Cavs actually have a great group of players to accomplish this. Kiss Curry the entire time he's on offense so that he drives to the rim more, and attack with Irving (Curry never guards him though) if Curry is guarding, run JR around screens the whole time if Curry is guarding him, or attack with Bron if Curry is guarding him (and maybe pick up some fouls).

I have yet to see a team base both their ENTIRE offensive and defensive gameplan around expending Curry's energy and attacking him.

Call it Curry Rules... dude is too incredible not to try something drastic.

I totally agree that teams should be attacking Curry on the defensive end and playing him close on the offensive end. But I have yet to see him fatigue in a game. It's not like he shoots worse in 4th quarters or overtime ... he actually shoots better late in games.

I think the best thing to do against the Warriors is on offense slow the pace WAY down, value the ball, and involve multiple players. On defense play Curry straight up and grab/chip/grind on his teammates. Curry will get his, but don't let Klay or Dray go off. But it's not easy to keep them all down with Iguodala, Speights, Barbosa all capable of offensive outbursts.

Vee-Rex
03-04-2016, 12:19 PM
I totally agree that teams should be attacking Curry on the defensive end and playing him close on the offensive end. But I have yet to see him fatigue in a game. It's not like he shoots worse in 4th quarters or overtime ... he actually shoots better late in games.

I think the best thing to do against the Warriors is on offense slow the pace WAY down, value the ball, and involve multiple players. On defense play Curry straight up and grab/chip/grind on his teammates. Curry will get his, but don't let Klay or Dray go off. But it's not easy to keep them all down with Iguodala, Speights, Barbosa all capable of offensive outbursts.

Me either lol. And that's the scary part about it. But I'd still put together a strategy to find out if he's actually human or not, heh.

OKC just doesn't have the right kind of players. San Antonio does, though.

aman_13
03-04-2016, 12:31 PM
Curry does guard Westbrook by design. Watch the game. They usually start matched up straight.

There are 60ish pgs in the nba. Curry is in the top 30 on d. Probably top 20. He lead the nba in steals last year. He's not below average.

No point going back and forth on this. I will watch this game again though.

Leading the league in the steals doesn't mean you are a good defender. The same way leading the league in blocks doesn't either.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 12:49 PM
Me either lol. And that's the scary part about it. But I'd still put together a strategy to find out if he's actually human or not, heh.

OKC just doesn't have the right kind of players. San Antonio does, though.

In the only sample game we've got with this Spurs squad the Spurs front line were dominated. I have to assume that the Spurs will make adjustments, but they won't show them during the season.

I don't think teams can beat the Warriors playing iso offense because they are too good at helping. You need to have a team offensive game. Look at the teams the Warriors lost to ... they lost because their help got them enough out of position that a team moving the ball and active and NOT playing iso and having shooting well could win ... and win big.

Against OKC and the Cavs it's almost like the Warriors can relax late in games knowing what's coming.

The Spurs 2 years ago would have given the Warriors fits ... now I don't know.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 01:37 PM
No point going back and forth on this. I will watch this game again though.

Leading the league in the steals doesn't mean you are a good defender. The same way leading the league in blocks doesn't either.

True, but you can't lead the league in steals/blocks and be a BAD defender. And steals are a hustle stat on defense so Curry isn't just taking a nap on D.

Curry can't be great, and probably not even good ... he's not big, strong, or quick enough to do it. But he's been heavily involved on D since Kerr came in.

I never said Curry was good, I just said he does play D and he's above average (which isn't saying much).

kdspurman
03-04-2016, 02:52 PM
True, but you can't lead the league in steals/blocks and be a BAD defender. And steals are a hustle stat on defense so Curry isn't just taking a nap on D.

Curry can't be great, and probably not even good ... he's not big, strong, or quick enough to do it. But he's been heavily involved on D since Kerr came in.

I never said Curry was good, I just said he does play D and he's above average (which isn't saying much).

Curry lead in total steals, but Mr James Harden was in 3rd, with 9 less than Curry. I'm not putting Curry in that same category as Harden defensively of course, he's nowhere near as bad haha. But it is possible to get a lot of steals and be a bad defender for sure

ChI_ShIzzLe
03-04-2016, 03:05 PM
I'm gonna say these guys finish 74-8. As unbelievable as it is, I still wouldn't place them ahead of the Bulls though as the greatest team. Record wise of course they would technically be the greatest, but I believe the competition and physicality back then was much harder than now, but they'd certainly be a close 2nd. Now if they roll through the West in the playoffs and win another title then I'd have to really re-consider my position.

Vee-Rex
03-04-2016, 03:11 PM
I'm gonna say these guys finish 74-8. As unbelievable as it is, I still wouldn't place them ahead of the Bulls though as the greatest team. Record wise of course they would technically be the greatest, but I believe the competition and physicality back then was much harder than now, but they'd certainly be a close 2nd. Now if they roll through the West in the playoffs and win another title then I'd have to really re-consider my position.

They'll definitely have to win the title to be considered the greatest.

Gander13SM
03-04-2016, 03:16 PM
You can't say Curry isn't guarding Westbrook when Westbrook wasn't guarding curry. They had KD on him A LOT.

Curry is a top 10 defender at his position. If you look solely at the metrics he's actually higher.

Why wouldn't you put your best perimeter defender on the opponents best perimeter scorer?

Nobody have MJ flack when PJ took him off worthy and put Pippen on him because MJ was being dominated.

You put your best defender on their best scorer. That's basic basketball.

tredigs
03-04-2016, 03:40 PM
You can't say Curry isn't guarding Westbrook when Westbrook wasn't guarding curry. They had KD on him A LOT.

Curry is a top 10 defender at his position. If you look solely at the metrics he's actually higher.

Why wouldn't you put your best perimeter defender on the opponents best perimeter scorer?

Nobody have MJ flack when PJ took him off worthy and put Pippen on him because MJ was being dominated.

You put your best defender on their best scorer. That's basic basketball.

I watched the defensive matchups very closely in the game because of how much is made about him not guarding other top points including Westbrook, etc. He guarded Westbrook on about ~70% of the possessions the two were on the court on the same time (Westbrook also primarily guarded him). Klay guarded him for a few minutes in the 2nd quarter when both were in, and again down the final 6 minute stretch (other than switches that Curry took over). But, Curry was on Westbrook the vast majority of the time. Essentially, the same gameplan they always use; Curry handles his mark, and then if it's a close game down the wire, Kerr will put the best wing defender on the most dangerous guard option and let Curry save his gas to do his magic show offensively. The only times this is deviated from is if for some reason Kerr just does not like what he's seeing from Curry (extremely rare), or if Curry gets caught in early foul trouble while Klay is not.

CHANGO
03-04-2016, 03:48 PM
Is it possible KD is dumb? He's incredibly skilled but he has bouts of BAD fundamentals and he makes bizarre decisions in close games. Is it coaching failing him or him failing coaching?

I've been a fan from a distance from his first days, but I've been looking closer and I wonder.

In his defense his teammates seem to often have the same shortcomings so it could be drafting or it could really be coaching.

Anyhow ... we now return you to your games ...

I don't know, I'm starting to think he's just not a great leader. Dumb decisions-fouls at the end of games, costing his team games and also letting Westy to run the show in a non efficient way.

I'm sure the shot Westbrook took against the Clippers looking for the foul (the 3 pointer) wouldn't happen if KD was Lebron, Kobe or another great leader who would question his teammates decision. Both committed stupid dumb turnovers, it's mind boggling.

PatsSoxKnicks
03-04-2016, 03:54 PM
True, but you can't lead the league in steals/blocks and be a BAD defender. And steals are a hustle stat on defense so Curry isn't just taking a nap on D.

Curry can't be great, and probably not even good ... he's not big, strong, or quick enough to do it. But he's been heavily involved on D since Kerr came in.

I never said Curry was good, I just said he does play D and he's above average (which isn't saying much).

Numerous articles actually showing the value of the steal:
http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/05/23/steals-and-the-two-way-play/
http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/07/08/gambling-for-steals-whats-the-expected-payoff/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/steals-are-predictive-but-are-they-that-important/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/when-a-point-is-not-worth-a-point/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/are-nba-steals-born-of-bad-defense/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/wait-the-76ers-get-a-ton-of-steals-and-they-stink/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-hidden-value-of-the-nba-steal/

And especially for point guards where defense is a) not AS important as it is for bigs and b) generally seems to correlate well with on/off #'s. After all, you're not generally expecting PGs to play awesome help defense or anything like that.

And in reference to Curry, first of all, the fact that he can function as part of an elite overall defense says that he's not as bad as those other guys are trying to indicate. In general, NBA coaches are smart at taking advantage of liabilities on defense (why does everyone think that Anthony Morrow has never played in his career? despite offering great shooting and spacing). So the fact that you can build an elite level defense with Curry on the floor is already an indication that he's not as bad as people want to say. Evaluating a player in the context of their team defense is generally better because defense, as much as people want to say otherwise, is not 1 vs 1, especially in today's NBA where teams will constantly switch and where teams will attack a weak defender in the P&R.

And for what it's worth, Curry's DRPM is pretty good this year. Definitely above average. Means his team has defended at a better rate with him on the court when adjusting for his teammates. (and indeed if you look at raw on/off #'s, the Warriors defend MUCH MUCH better, 10 points per 100 with Curry on the court: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/on-off/2016/, seems unlikely that he's got those massive splits and yet is a bad defender as other people are trying to indicate)

CHANGO
03-04-2016, 03:55 PM
BTW, it seems OKC have everything to win a series vs the Warriors, they always play them close until the last minutes when the offense just become stagnant. They have the size on the starting lineup and can defend well when they put effort. Even Singler was great last night (LOL) they just have to work on the last minutes of the game. I'm not putting a lot of credit on the Warriors because they always have the same problem, leading the game, losing the lead in the last minutes.

Clippers and Thunder are the ones that play the W's the best.

Jay 20
03-04-2016, 04:04 PM
BTW, it seems OKC have everything to win a series vs the Warriors, they always play them close until the last minutes when the offense just become stagnant. They have the size on the starting lineup and can defend well when they put effort. Even Singler was great last night (LOL) they just have to work on the last minutes of the game. I'm not putting a lot of credit on the Warriors because they always have the same problem, leading the game, losing the lead in the last minutes.

Clippers and Thunder are the ones that play the W's the best.

The Warriors have blown some leads yes but they over come adversity much better than the Thunder. The Thunder also collapsed against the Clippers so they aren't just doing it against the Warriors.

To your point they definitely have the most talented roster and they could pose a threat to the Warriors but I don't see them beating them in a 7 game series and here is the number one reason why.

They are not near the TEAM the Warriors, Spurs and Clippers are. At one time last night I saw 3 no pass possessions by Durant in a row. That just won't win a series in my opinion against any of the teams I mentioned.

So I do not question their physical gifts and basketball talents. 2 of the top 5 players in the league. But their mental errors and lack of team play just doesn't sit well with me. On paper they should be right up there with the Warriors and Spurs and have single digit losses at this point.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 04:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orHw67LNxXo

That Pippen D! With my mind now tuned to the modern NBA it looks like the sound of the game would be just whistle, whistle, whistle playing physical like that ... there would be so many more fouls called. I really don't think the old timers realize how rigid the contact rules are now.

Also watching that I imagined Pippen guarding Harden and wondered how long it would be before all of Harden's acting would get to Pippen to the point that he would take a swing at Harden :)

Scoots
03-04-2016, 04:44 PM
BTW, it seems OKC have everything to win a series vs the Warriors

Clippers and Thunder are the ones that play the W's the best.

Everything ... except wins. The Thunder are 1-6 in the last 7 against the Warriors and the 1 win the Warriors were without Bogut and Iguodala. (I know OKC had injuries too, but the record is the record)

OKC is a good team with great talent ... but people who say that OKC has shown enough to say they can challenge the Warriors? They are not looking at the results.

I will say that OKC is the only top team the Warriors have not blown out yet.

The Clippers have the same record as OKC against the Warriors over the last 2 seasons ... 1-6. And again Bogut missed that one Clipper win.

Last year teams and pundits were saying that "Everything changes in the playoffs" ... well, the Warriors still won so it didn't change much.

Scoots
03-04-2016, 04:56 PM
Numerous articles actually showing the value of the steal:

... <snip>



Thanks for the links, plenty of interesting reading. I think I saw a couple of those before.

The problem is that if I say Curry is a good defender I'm a homer. He definitely has limitations, but I think a lot of the perception of him as a defensive hider is from when Mark Jackson was blatantly having him run away from defending someone. That ended day 1 under Kerr, and it's going to take a little time for word to get out.

Also it's really hard to tell the difference between good D and average D at the point guard position. We know great defenders disrupt the people or the team they are playing and bad defenders allow them to do anything they want. Average defenders are there and they are trying but somehow the team doesn't see the win probability result of their defensive efforts ... they are just a guy. While good but not great defenders are there and they are trying and it looks similar but the little things happen to result in more wins ... deflections, slowing down a pass by having a hand up, cutting off the man, taking the correct step to defend someone so they have to go a little bit further to get around the defender ... it's all these little 6 inch things here and there that make the difference between an average defender and a good one.

Anyhow, thanks for the links.

Gander13SM
03-04-2016, 05:21 PM
Thanks for the links, plenty of interesting reading. I think I saw a couple of those before.

The problem is that if I say Curry is a good defender I'm a homer. He definitely has limitations, but I think a lot of the perception of him as a defensive hider is from when Mark Jackson was blatantly having him run away from defending someone. That ended day 1 under Kerr, and it's going to take a little time for word to get out.

Also it's really hard to tell the difference between good D and average D at the point guard position. We know great defenders disrupt the people or the team they are playing and bad defenders allow them to do anything they want. Average defenders are there and they are trying but somehow the team doesn't see the win probability result of their defensive efforts ... they are just a guy. While good but not great defenders are there and they are trying and it looks similar but the little things happen to result in more wins ... deflections, slowing down a pass by having a hand up, cutting off the man, taking the correct step to defend someone so they have to go a little bit further to get around the defender ... it's all these little 6 inch things here and there that make the difference between an average defender and a good one.

Anyhow, thanks for the links.

Ethan Strauss penned a great article about this last year;

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12648764/how-stephen-curry-developed-top-flight-defender


Curry doesn't look like a good defensive player, but then again, he never looked like a Division I college player, he never looked like an NBA draft pick, and he never looked like an NBA superstar. But he has accomplished all of those things. If reputations are often based on appearances, Curry aims to forge a reputation as someone who transcends that expectation. And his aim is excellent.



Side note; I actually think if you know a guard is good defensively, you can look at steals as a deciding factor when choosing between two. But to look at steals alone gives you nothing, Westbrook, Ellis, Harden, all of these guys have had good stats in regards to steals. ALL of them gamble and shoot the gap WAY too often and are lucky that they've had rim protectors behind them to clean up their mess.

I find it funny when people say Westbrook is a good defender. His reactions and general athleticism allow him to intercept passes and recover quickly. But in terms of I.Q he's not a good defender, not even close. His athletic ability allows him to masquerade as a good defender. And honestly is pisses me off :laugh:

Vee-Rex
03-04-2016, 05:49 PM
Ethan Strauss penned a great article about this last year;

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12648764/how-stephen-curry-developed-top-flight-defender





Side note; I actually think if you know a guard is good defensively, you can look at steals as a deciding factor when choosing between two. But to look at steals alone gives you nothing, Westbrook, Ellis, Harden, all of these guys have had good stats in regards to steals. ALL of them gamble and shoot the gap WAY too often and are lucky that they've had rim protectors behind them to clean up their mess.

I find it funny when people say Westbrook is a good defender. His reactions and general athleticism allow him to intercept passes and recover quickly. But in terms of I.Q he's not a good defender, not even close. His athletic ability allows him to masquerade as a good defender. And honestly is pisses me off :laugh:

Kyrie has had plenty of great moments against Westbrook. I've always thought Westie was a little overrated as a defender. His help defense isn't great, and he's not good man-on-man.

It's interesting that people tend to think the more athletic guys are the best defensively. Sometimes they can be, but sometimes they aren't. Curry's a good example of that. I wouldn't label Curry as a great or elite defender but I'd say he's above-average. He's not terrific one-on-one, but he absolutely excels at team defense because of the way he positions his body. He's also deceptively quick, has good hands with stripping the ball, and does well at baiting.

CHANGO
03-04-2016, 06:22 PM
The Warriors have blown some leads yes but they over come adversity much better than the Thunder. The Thunder also collapsed against the Clippers so they aren't just doing it against the Warriors.

To your point they definitely have the most talented roster and they could pose a threat to the Warriors but I don't see them beating them in a 7 game series and here is the number one reason why.

They are not near the TEAM the Warriors, Spurs and Clippers are. At one time last night I saw 3 no pass possessions by Durant in a row. That just won't win a series in my opinion against any of the teams I mentioned.

So I do not question their physical gifts and basketball talents. 2 of the top 5 players in the league. But their mental errors and lack of team play just doesn't sit well with me. On paper they should be right up there with the Warriors and Spurs and have single digit losses at this point.

That's what I'm saying, the Thunder have the talent and all of that but it seems they haven't changed mentally from the 2011 NBA Finals, everyone was saying they were inexperienced and blah, blah, but they are doing and blowing leads the way the Sixers do it, that's expected from a young team, not a veteran team like the Thunder.

CHANGO
03-04-2016, 06:24 PM
Everything ... except wins. The Thunder are 1-6 in the last 7 against the Warriors and the 1 win the Warriors were without Bogut and Iguodala. (I know OKC had injuries too, but the record is the record)

OKC is a good team with great talent ... but people who say that OKC has shown enough to say they can challenge the Warriors? They are not looking at the results.

I will say that OKC is the only top team the Warriors have not blown out yet.

The Clippers have the same record as OKC against the Warriors over the last 2 seasons ... 1-6. And again Bogut missed that one Clipper win.

Last year teams and pundits were saying that "Everything changes in the playoffs" ... well, the Warriors still won so it didn't change much.


Keyword, "seems". Never said they would win, everything can happen on the Playoffs and if you don't think the Thunder play great against the Warriors, then that's your thing.

Gander13SM
03-04-2016, 07:11 PM
Kyrie has had plenty of great moments against Westbrook. I've always thought Westie was a little overrated as a defender. His help defense isn't great, and he's not good man-on-man.

It's interesting that people tend to think the more athletic guys are the best defensively. Sometimes they can be, but sometimes they aren't. Curry's a good example of that. I wouldn't label Curry as a great or elite defender but I'd say he's above-average. He's not terrific one-on-one, but he absolutely excels at team defense because of the way he positions his body. He's also deceptively quick, has good hands with stripping the ball, and does well at baiting.

I agree with most of that.

Curry was a very poor defender, up until the last year or so. And it's hard to shake that label. It's actually not dissimilar to Kyrie who was a very weak defender but at the tail end of last season he made some serious strides, a lot of it seemed just to be effort. Not many people gave him the credit he was due, again he wasn't "high caliber" but for a stretch there he did seem improved, above average. He just hasn't been healthy enough to sustain it imo.

Again, it's a hard label to shake off.

And I do think a lot of athletic guys are noted as "great" defenders when really they're pretty average and their athleticism just allows them to masquerade as "great".

numba1CHANGsta
03-04-2016, 10:22 PM
Remember when people thought the world was gonna end when the Cavs lost 3 of 4? LOL LeBron is going back to MIA, Irving doesn't want to be a Cav, Love feels like an outcast, Lue is a worse coach than Blatt, blah blah blah blah

zn23
03-04-2016, 10:50 PM
What a horrific shot by Anthony...

The Knicks totally blew that game.

Vee-Rex
03-04-2016, 11:05 PM
Remember when people thought the world was gonna end when the Cavs lost 3 of 4? LOL LeBron is going back to MIA, Irving doesn't want to be a Cav, Love feels like an outcast, Lue is a worse coach than Blatt, blah blah blah blah

Yuuuup. Cavs catch heat on everything, even meaningless tweets.

Even OKC isn't catching that kind of heat right now.

We're still a top 3-4 team in the league. Just gotta get better as a unit - the other top teams have been playing together for far longer.

LanceUpperCut
03-04-2016, 11:17 PM
Lillard is such a beast. That guy is the closes version to Curry in the league.

CHANGO
03-04-2016, 11:51 PM
Yuuuup. Lebron catch heat on everything, even meaningless tweets.

Even OKC isn't catching that kind of heat right now.

We're still a top 3-4 team in the league. Just gotta get better as a unit - the other top teams have been playing together for far longer.

Changed it for you. It gets annoying, trust me.

bucketss
03-05-2016, 12:14 AM
who is #3 on the lakers he seems so out of place lol and bass just left him hanging.

Scoots
03-05-2016, 12:20 AM
Lowry Derozan combine for 40 FTs. Not hack-a but i wouldn't want to watch that game.

LanceUpperCut
03-05-2016, 12:31 AM
Lowry Derozan combine for 40 FTs. Not hack-a but i wouldn't want to watch that game.

DD was 24-25 missing his last shot to break the NBA record for most consecutive FT's in a game.

The game was full of fouls on both sides but it was a pretty damn good game

Aust
03-05-2016, 12:43 AM
who is #3 on the lakers he seems so out of place lol and bass just left him hanging.

2nd round rookie Anthony Brown.

bluejazbling
03-05-2016, 06:44 AM
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MILLERHIGHLIFE
03-05-2016, 10:34 AM
Middleton's 3% jumped up 1.5% after last nights performance versus Wolves. Giannis 1 rebound shy of another triple double as point forward. Also played some center versus KAT.

Scoots
03-05-2016, 12:08 PM
San Antonio needs to sign Jermaine O'Neal too.

kdspurman
03-05-2016, 11:11 PM
Manu picking up where he left off prior to the surgery. Looks great.. that time off could be a blessing.. Obviously I'm sure he would've preferred a different method but hey lol

Edit:

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ewing
03-06-2016, 11:23 AM
Thanks for the links, plenty of interesting reading. I think I saw a couple of those before.

The problem is that if I say Curry is a good defender I'm a homer. He definitely has limitations, but I think a lot of the perception of him as a defensive hider is from when Mark Jackson was blatantly having him run away from defending someone. That ended day 1 under Kerr, and it's going to take a little time for word to get out.

Also it's really hard to tell the difference between good D and average D at the point guard position. We know great defenders disrupt the people or the team they are playing and bad defenders allow them to do anything they want. Average defenders are there and they are trying but somehow the team doesn't see the win probability result of their defensive efforts ... they are just a guy. While good but not great defenders are there and they are trying and it looks similar but the little things happen to result in more wins ... deflections, slowing down a pass by having a hand up, cutting off the man, taking the correct step to defend someone so they have to go a little bit further to get around the defender ... it's all these little 6 inch things here and there that make the difference between an average defender and a good one.

Anyhow, thanks for the links.

The Warriors want you to play with pace. this certainly makes the PGs job a lot easier on D. Curry doesn't do a bad job. He is aided by the Warriors style and ability to switch on everything. I do think calling him a good defender is stretch

eDush
03-06-2016, 05:17 PM
That turn around swoosh from Kobe over Speights on the paint was sweeeeeeet. Even Kobe haters gotta appreciate that he still got it :clap:

CardinalRed24
03-06-2016, 05:21 PM
Wow beautiful pass from DLoad to Huertas to Bass. Good stuff

eDush
03-06-2016, 05:24 PM
Kobe scored over Barnes easily like he wasn't there...how can that happen :speechless:

CardinalRed24
03-06-2016, 05:24 PM
Nice move Mamba ...if only this team was good and had the luxory of playing you under 25 mins per game . similar to how the Spurs use Duncan. You'd be extremely productive playing less mins with a stronger supporting cast ..and something to actually work for

CardinalRed24
03-06-2016, 05:26 PM
Lakers actually have a lead over GS...in the 2nd quarter? Damn lol

eDush
03-06-2016, 05:28 PM
Lakers actually have a lead over GS...in the 2nd quarter? Damn lol

Warriors gonna wait until the final 8 minutes in the 4th to win it. They just letting the Lakers fans enjoy their play for now. Trust me, i seen this script before Red :nod:

blahblahyoutoo
03-06-2016, 05:33 PM
Wow Kobe is just horrible

eDush
03-06-2016, 05:37 PM
Wow Kobe is just horrible

Obviously you're not watching this game and is just a hater like what else is new :sigh:

shep33
03-06-2016, 05:38 PM
Russell beastin

DanG
03-06-2016, 05:42 PM
This is great! We have a whole 15 minutes to enjoy this lead because I fear a 40-0 run coming.

shep33
03-06-2016, 05:44 PM
Yeah, 52-19 run coming up

blahblahyoutoo
03-06-2016, 05:46 PM
Wow is Jalen rose on Crack?

eDush
03-06-2016, 05:49 PM
Wow Kobe is just horrible

Kobe is +15 while Steph is -6 in on court differential at the half. That mean Kobe is the reason why the Lakers is up now hater!

eDush
03-06-2016, 05:54 PM
This is great! We have a whole 15 minutes to enjoy this lead because I fear a 40-0 run coming.

So you saw the script too :cheer:

bgdreton
03-06-2016, 06:34 PM
Lol damn so many open shots just not falling. Played lazy and left no room for error

shep33
03-06-2016, 06:41 PM
I hate the Warriors for losing. We need to be terrible.

bgdreton
03-06-2016, 06:42 PM
Lol at our 3pt shooting percentage..... good game Lakers you got us. You all played well we came out and played like you guys were a high school team.

shep33
03-06-2016, 06:45 PM
I like Huertas a lot though. He would be really good on a better team.

sf-fanatic
03-06-2016, 06:47 PM
How did the refs miss the double dribble ? Lol

Wade n Fade
03-06-2016, 06:50 PM
GSW is not breaking the Bulls record. It is one thing to have a letdown game, but to be blown out by the Lakers? Damn. They lost to the Bucks, Pistons, and now the Lakers in a few minutes. Those teams are vastly inferior to the NBA champs.

bucketss
03-06-2016, 07:03 PM
4-30 :speechless:

Lakers + Giants
03-06-2016, 07:09 PM
:dance:

zn23
03-06-2016, 07:13 PM
lol Huertas almost had a double double.

shep33
03-06-2016, 07:17 PM
Russell, Clarkson, Randle and Nance are a nice young core. Man if we get Simmons or Ingram, I will be happy

Clint Olbrock
03-06-2016, 07:18 PM
Always fun watching the Warriors get embarrassed on national television by one of the worst teams in the league.

CHANGO
03-06-2016, 07:18 PM
LMAO if the Warriors had a game like that against Spurs, Cavs, Thunder or Clippers they would lose by 50+ points. UGLY game they just died by the three.

I like Huertas too, I know very well his international and FIBA play and in a better team he would be playing better. Pure point guard.

Aust
03-06-2016, 07:26 PM
:D Yes yesyes!! hahaha our superbowl :dance:

I hope the Warriors break the Bulls record so we can be a part of that history.

goingfor28
03-06-2016, 07:54 PM
How the hell did LAL beat GSW lol

likemystylez
03-06-2016, 08:05 PM
How the hell did LAL beat GSW lol

was watching it and I couldnt make sense of the disaster I was watching. It reminded me of the feeling I had waking up at 6 30 am on 9-11 and watching on the news the twin towers falling. Its one of those those things you really wish was just a bad dream.....but all you can do is try to move on and not try and make sense of it. Itll drive you insane.

COOLbeans
03-06-2016, 08:16 PM
was watching it and I couldnt make sense of the disaster I was watching. It reminded me of the feeling I had waking up at 6 30 am on 9-11 and watching on the news the twin towers falling. Its one of those those things you really wish was just a bad dream.....but all you can do is try to move on and not try and make sense of it. Itll drive you insane.

They just shot the ball bad. You and I are about the same age. And I remember watching the News at 6:30 too but I wouldn't compare the two lol but I get your meaning. Utter shock and confusion.

likemystylez
03-06-2016, 08:29 PM
They just shot the ball bad. You and I are about the same age. And I remember watching the News at 6:30 too but I wouldn't compare the two lol but I get your meaning. Utter shock and confusion.

I didnt mean to imply they were equally bad, but make no mistake- this was nothing short of a disaster for golden state at this stage in their quest for 73 wins

jerellh528
03-06-2016, 09:14 PM
Just got back and watched the lakers game. Sucks for the tank, but great to see young D'Angelo outplay Curry on national tv en route to a victory. Nice confidence booster for the youngins.

More-Than-Most
03-06-2016, 09:22 PM
WTH is this... Sixers should have beaten the warriors and now the lakers blow them out? I think the warriors went in no taking the sixers seriously at all and got trapped but the lakers game was something else... Maybe a blue print on how to gaurd Curry? They played him flawlessly

More-Than-Most
03-06-2016, 09:23 PM
Just got back and watched the lakers game. Sucks for the tank, but great to see young D'Angelo outplay Curry on national tv en route to a victory. Nice confidence booster for the youngins.

not just russ... Clarkson player better than them both.

bucketss
03-06-2016, 09:23 PM
harden is such a boring player.

aman_13
03-06-2016, 10:21 PM
was watching it and I couldnt make sense of the disaster I was watching. It reminded me of the feeling I had waking up at 6 30 am on 9-11 and watching on the news the twin towers falling. Its one of those those things you really wish was just a bad dream.....but all you can do is try to move on and not try and make sense of it. Itll drive you insane.

You take basketball way too seriously.