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spreadeagle
02-18-2016, 04:19 PM
Jeff Green is going to the Clippers for Lance Stephenson. (via @ZachLowe_NBA) http://www.clipsnation.com/2016/2/18/11054248/clippers-trade-lance-stephenson-to-memphis-for-jeff-green

shep33
02-18-2016, 04:20 PM
I love that for the Clips

Great trade for them

Saddletramp
02-18-2016, 04:21 PM
That link also says Hinrich to the Hawks for a second. Is this a real source?

shep33
02-18-2016, 04:22 PM
Clips gave up a first too

lamzoka
02-18-2016, 04:22 PM
Wtf was Memphis thinking. Uncle Jeff for Lance str8 up? Wooow

shep33
02-18-2016, 04:22 PM
Zach Lowe reported it first. it's legit

Crackadalic
02-18-2016, 04:25 PM
Memphis is blowing it up this summer

Tony_Starks
02-18-2016, 04:26 PM
Lance wasn't even here long enough to hit up Roscoes!

Wade n Fade
02-18-2016, 04:27 PM
Lance buyout possible. I would love for Toronto or Miami to pick him up. If not Joe Johnson.

YAALREADYKNO
02-18-2016, 04:30 PM
Clips with another move that looks good on paper

Chronz
02-18-2016, 04:32 PM
Via ESPN/Lowe

The 2013-14 league-leader in triple-doubles is headed to his third team in two seasons, as the Clippers agreed to a deal to send him to Memphis in exchange for Jeff Green, according to ESPN's Zach Lowe and The Orange County Register. The Grizzlies also get a first-round pick in the trade.
Protected 19 pick this time.

Thoughts on Greens fit and recent play? Can Lance dance in Memphis?

RLundi
02-18-2016, 04:35 PM
Via ESPN/Lowe

Protected 19 pick this time.

Thoughts on Greens fit and recent play? Can Lance dance in Memphis?

Lol.

ManningToTyree
02-18-2016, 04:36 PM
Better fit then lance

R. Johnson#3
02-18-2016, 04:44 PM
Like the trade for both teams. They could both benefit from a change of scenery.

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2016, 04:46 PM
It's a pretty good trade for the Clips because they got rid of Stephenson. Green is still INCONSISTENT, you don't know what Green you're going to get but he might excel since he'll be the 4th option on the Clips

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2016, 04:47 PM
Ps I hope they don't intend to play Green at the 4, it won't work!

shep33
02-18-2016, 04:52 PM
Doc is getting rid of their assets. I like the gamble though I guess. Clips need to win now with CP3

Forever35
02-18-2016, 04:57 PM
I wish Doc the best, but Green is gonna frustrate the hell out of Clip fans...

IndyRealist
02-18-2016, 04:57 PM
Clips with another move that looks good on paper

Depends on what paper you're looking at. Not everyone has a high opinion of Jeff Green.

FOXHOUND
02-18-2016, 05:01 PM
This trade probably won't be great for the Clippers, losing a 1st for Jeff Green. However, as a consistent playoff team and one that should be in the 2nd round, shouldn't be too painful of a pick. They need to try and contend, otherwise they can make up any picks lost when they trade Paul and all when they blow it up.

Chronz
02-18-2016, 05:03 PM
Ps I hope they don't intend to play Green at the 4, it won't work!
I think thats a big part of them acquiring him.


I wish Doc the best, but Green is gonna frustrate the hell out of Clip fans...
Yeah, heard that about Wesley Johnson, Clips need talent so bad that they'll take that inconsistency over consistently crapping the bad.

Really curious to see how this changes the gameplan with regards to who starts in the interim and who starts once Blake gets back.

shep33
02-18-2016, 05:03 PM
I will say this about Lance. He has been very efficient offensively this year. 49% from the field and 40% from 3.

Limited mins though with the Clips. Green has dropped off from 3 point land dramatically

BKLYNpigeon
02-18-2016, 05:09 PM
why didnt the just get Markieff?

BKLYNpigeon
02-18-2016, 05:10 PM
Doc is getting rid of their assets. I like the gamble though I guess. Clips need to win now with CP3

yea.. if that was the case Blake would have been traded.

phantasyyy
02-18-2016, 05:13 PM
If Stephenson gets bought out i wonder what the chances of a reuniuon with the Pacers would be..

seems like the only place that was able to correctly use his abilities. Not to mention the Pacers could use his playmaking and defensive abilities.

shep33
02-18-2016, 05:17 PM
yea.. if that was the case Blake would have been traded.

I mean realistic assets. Blake is the best PF in the game. He shouldn't be dealt. Doc hasn't been good at making deals in my opinion since he's gotten there.

Scoots
02-18-2016, 05:19 PM
Lance buyout possible. I would love for Toronto or Miami to pick him up. If not Joe Johnson.

I wouldn't mind the Warriors picking him up.

Scoots
02-18-2016, 05:21 PM
I mean realistic assets. Blake is the best PF in the game. He shouldn't be dealt. Doc hasn't been good at making deals in my opinion since he's gotten there.

There has been speculation that the move to get rid of Blake is coming from Balmer ... if so it doesn't matter how good a player he is.

BKLYNpigeon
02-18-2016, 05:21 PM
I wouldn't mind the Warriors picking him up.

Hell no to Lance on the dubs.

IndyRealist
02-18-2016, 05:25 PM
If Stephenson gets bought out i wonder what the chances of a reuniuon with the Pacers would be..

seems like the only place that was able to correctly use his abilities. Not to mention the Pacers could use his playmaking and defensive abilities.

Pacers would have to cut someone with a guaranteed contract, probably Shayne Whittington who can't seem to get PT. I guess it depends on how much longer Rodney Stuckey will be out.

Now, Lance thinks he is the man, so I dunno if they want to bring that kind of crazy back. The Pacers don't have the locker room personalities to keep him in line anymore.

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2016, 05:31 PM
I will say this about Lance. He has been very efficient offensively this year. 49% from the field and 40% from 3.

Limited mins though with the Clips. Green has dropped off from 3 point land dramatically

They should of stay put, Green probably makes them (SLIGHTLY) better that's it but he's horrible at the 4. Doc and LeBron are horrible GM's

lakerfan85
02-18-2016, 05:31 PM
Stephenson, Barnes, Allen, Randolph, and Birdman all on the same team.. Lol!!

Tony_Starks
02-18-2016, 05:32 PM
Why do people make such a huge deal about future picks? At the position they would be drafting I doubt they would be getting impact players anyway and you can always buy a pick come draft day if need be.

Better to roll the dice for a player that could very well improve the team now.

Green makes a lot of sense IF he pans out.

shep33
02-18-2016, 05:39 PM
Why do people make such a huge deal about future picks? At the position they would be drafting I doubt they would be getting impact players anyway and you can always buy a pick come draft day if need be.

Better to roll the dice for a player that could very well improve the team now.

Green makes a lot of sense IF he pans out.

Because first rounders are valuable assets. You can use them to get rid of a bad contract, or to package with a player to sweeten the pot. Or draft a decent role player... Clint Capela, Rodney Hood, Mason Plumlee, Rudy Gobert are just a few in the past couple of years that were taken 20 or above

Clips have no assets to give up now in any deal to improve their team. People might say Redick, but **** he's so important to that squad right now, he's the only floor spacer on that squad outside of CP3.

IndyRealist
02-18-2016, 05:49 PM
Why do people make such a huge deal about future picks? At the position they would be drafting I doubt they would be getting impact players anyway and you can always buy a pick come draft day if need be.

Better to roll the dice for a player that could very well improve the team now.

Green makes a lot of sense IF he pans out.
Copied from another thread

Disagree completely. The best source of cheap labour a contending team is looking at would be the draft, since most of their money is already locked up in players to get to that point.

Yes, a lot of late 1st guys are out of the league within their rookie contract, the only reason many of the early 1st guys stay in the league is because they are lottery picks. Fact is, still in today's NBA, team decision makers are bad talent evaluators. Many guys slip to late 1st/early 2nd who, in hindsight, should have gone top 5. There are redraft threads every year for a reason.

valade16
02-18-2016, 05:55 PM
Why do people make such a huge deal about future picks? At the position they would be drafting I doubt they would be getting impact players anyway and you can always buy a pick come draft day if need be.

Better to roll the dice for a player that could very well improve the team now.

Green makes a lot of sense IF he pans out.

That was the Nets thinking too...

Scoots
02-18-2016, 06:23 PM
Hell no to Lance on the dubs.
Why not? For vet minimum I'd take a flyer on yet another player who has a skill set the warriors value. Maybe iguodala could get through to him.

CHANGO
02-18-2016, 07:56 PM
Clearly Memphis is saying "ok let's blow this up" they don't see a way they can win something on the West.

bstnfn34
02-18-2016, 08:11 PM
Great trade for clips depending on what Jeff green they are getting. Far to inconsistent, wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being an even trade or Memphis gets the best of the deal hard to tell right now. Good trade on paper though they got the better player

BKLYNpigeon
02-18-2016, 08:52 PM
Why not? For vet minimum I'd take a flyer on yet another player who has a skill set the warriors value. Maybe iguodala could get through to him.


Hes not a player you bring into a Championship team mid season. you don't mess with this chemistry.

its a move you might make at training camp, on a non guaranteed contract. at that point the Warriors roster might be gutted if they bring in Durant.

BKLYNpigeon
02-18-2016, 08:56 PM
Jeff Green played for Doc in Boston.

Its a bad trade because Jeff Green is a FA next year and the Clippers are probably not going to retain him.

Saddletramp
02-18-2016, 09:26 PM
Clearly Memphis is saying "ok let's blow this up" they don't see a way they can win something on the West.

If that were the case, they would have traded Conley.

CHANGO
02-18-2016, 10:13 PM
If that were the case, they would have traded Conley.

That's the intriguing part, maybe Conley wants to be there in Memphis, but reports were that the Grizz shut down offers for Conley from other teams. Clearly they didn't make those moves to win, they lost Lee and Jeff Green for Hairston, Lance, Birdman and second round picks.

Scoots
02-18-2016, 10:48 PM
Hes not a player you bring into a Championship team mid season. you don't mess with this chemistry.

its a move you might make at training camp, on a non guaranteed contract. at that point the Warriors roster might be gutted if they bring in Durant.

Meh. He'd have to be cheap and all-in and he can ride the end of the bench the rest of this year and they can evaluate him for the future. If he works out great otherwise he's gone. Essentially no risk with some small chance of some reward.

Scoots
02-18-2016, 10:49 PM
If that were the case, they would have traded Conley.

You can rebuild a team without getting rid of everybody.

Chronz
02-18-2016, 11:22 PM
Jeff Green played for Doc in Boston.

Its a bad trade because Jeff Green is a FA next year and the Clippers are probably not going to retain him.
They got him to keep him tho

Saddletramp
02-18-2016, 11:31 PM
You can rebuild a team without getting rid of everybody.

I know, but Conley is an unrestricted FA this year. If they were blowing it up, why would they resign him? And would he want to stay in a rebuild?

ZBo looks to be done, Tony Allen can be exploited, not sure who they have that's up and coming or their depth but if it's just Gasol, Conley might not want to stay. Get what you can get when and if you can get it if you're going to commit to a rebuild.

mrblisterdundee
02-19-2016, 04:24 AM
Via ESPN/Lowe

Protected 19 pick this time.

Thoughts on Greens fit and recent play? Can Lance dance in Memphis?

Obviously he showed something in 2013-14, and he's still only 25. He can distribute, knock down threes more than a third of the time and play decent defense. He has the kind of versatility the NBA values more and more. Hopefully he gets back on his feet and loses some of the attitude.

KnicksorBust
02-19-2016, 08:45 AM
That was the Nets thinking too...

Can't compare Clippers situation to the Nets. The Nets were all in and knew they had a very small window. Clippers are virtually guaranteed to be good to great for the next few seasons.


I know, but Conley is an unrestricted FA this year. If they were blowing it up, why would they resign him? And would he want to stay in a rebuild?

ZBo looks to be done, Tony Allen can be exploited, not sure who they have that's up and coming or their depth but if it's just Gasol, Conley might not want to stay. Get what you can get when and if you can get it if you're going to commit to a rebuild.

What about Lillard in Portland? They dumped 4 starters but kept their best young player. Conley is right in the middle of his prime. They are still 31-22 right now. I find it hard to believe you could bottom out that team and still get the right value in trades.

DboneG
02-19-2016, 12:12 PM
Stephenson, Barnes, Allen, Randolph, and Birdman all on the same team.. Lol!!



You know....it just might work. All these guys have that "I don't give no fu**" attitude. Zack can't carry like he use to, he's up there in age, Marc is out, so, they need a guy to come in and carry the load. Lance Stephenson always wanted to show he can carry a team and be the man. Things went wrong in Indiana. Lance and Doc didn't see eye to eye. Because, Lance is a alpha-type.(He think in his mind he's as good as MJ, Kobe, or LeBron. Larry Bird taught him that). I think he's gotta make it work this time. After this stop, nobody is going to touch him. I think it works! They make the playoffs! And even make some noise in the playoffs! You never know.


Best wishes Lance Stephenson!

phantasyyy
02-19-2016, 01:23 PM
Wow i didnt know that Green is a UFA next year, theres a BIG chance that he just traded away a first rounder for half a season rental of Green... Its not like there will be a huge incentive for him to resign with them at seasons end with their potential 1/2nd round exit and him being what the.. 4/5th option the Clippers team

Its crazy how much of the future Doc has mortgaged for this stretch run

Chronz
02-19-2016, 01:31 PM
Wow i didnt know that Green is a UFA next year, theres a BIG chance that he just traded away a first rounder for half a season rental of Green... Its not like there will be a huge incentive for him to resign with them at seasons end with their potential 1/2nd round exit and him being what the.. 4/5th option the Clippers team

Its crazy how much of the future Doc has mortgaged for this stretch run

Not buying your odds or your logic. You speak as if he wants more responsibility , even if he did, none of the teams that are more talented than the Clips could possibly start him. Its far more likely he resigns with the big market that can pay him the most and provides him the most support he's ever had

MrfadeawayJB
02-22-2016, 01:13 PM
Good trade for the grizz IMO. Lance played well and looked impressive in his debut. Green was not going to be resigned and neither was Lee, so the grizz acquiring 4 second rd picks and a future 1st for players who were leaving as the season ends is huge IMO. Now, of course they are sacrificing a real chance at going deep on the postseason this year but that ended when Gasol got hurt.

And let's be real here, if the dubs and spurs stay healthy, no other team will make it to the finals. Grizz chances remain the same, might have even gotten slightly better adding some craziness to the mix.

Chronz
02-22-2016, 01:53 PM
I miss lance already

IndyRealist
02-22-2016, 01:58 PM
I miss lance already

Get in line :p

Scoots
02-22-2016, 02:08 PM
Not buying your odds or your logic. You speak as if he wants more responsibility , even if he did, none of the teams that are more talented than the Clips could possibly start him. Its far more likely he resigns with the big market that can pay him the most and provides him the most support he's ever had

Harrison Barnes may price himself out of the Warriors, Durant is probably going to stay in OKC ... so Green may end up as the Warriors starting 3 :)

It's possible.

Tony_Starks
02-22-2016, 02:19 PM
Wow i didnt know that Green is a UFA next year, theres a BIG chance that he just traded away a first rounder for half a season rental of Green... Its not like there will be a huge incentive for him to resign with them at seasons end with their potential 1/2nd round exit and him being what the.. 4/5th option the Clippers team

Its crazy how much of the future Doc has mortgaged for this stretch run


If Green was such a hot commodity he wouldn't be getting traded....again..... in the first place.

I'd say chances are pretty high he stays with a coach he loves playing for and a city he probably vacations in the summer anyway...

Chronz
02-22-2016, 02:20 PM
Harrison Barnes may price himself out of the Warriors, Durant is probably going to stay in OKC ... so Green may end up as the Warriors starting 3 :)

It's possible.

Definitely possible, just like Durant ending up in LAC. It just depends on how much these teams are willing to pay. Do the Dubs even have the cap space? Is this guy even a 3? I really dont know what to make of him, all I know is that his stats suck, his team influence via +/- suggests that hes never, not once, improved a team. These are the type of players I never want on my team but I have no choice but to hope he turns it around with this cast.

I honestly dont know what to make of him. Even when he had the best stretch in Boston, his only use was as a corner 3 specialist, which the Clips need but hes shot awful this year from that zone.

IndyRealist
02-22-2016, 02:28 PM
Jeff Green has always been ever so slightly below average at everything. He looks the part but has tweeners disease. I think his career would have been much better exclusively at the 3 in a Harrison Barnes/MKG type role.

Scoots
02-22-2016, 02:29 PM
Definitely possible, just like Durant ending up in LAC. It just depends on how much these teams are willing to pay. Do the Dubs even have the cap space? Is this guy even a 3? I really dont know what to make of him, all I know is that his stats suck, his team influence via +/- suggests that hes never, not once, improved a team. These are the type of players I never want on my team but I have no choice but to hope he turns it around with this cast.

I honestly dont know what to make of him. Even when he had the best stretch in Boston, his only use was as a corner 3 specialist, which the Clips need but hes shot awful this year from that zone.

Barnes is better and a lot younger than Green ... but there are some similarities in that both disappear for long stretches in games and both seem to be too willing to settle for a catch and shoot 3 despite their other abilities. Green's just good enough to keep getting contracts, but this next one is going to be smaller than he wants and will probably be his last.

Chronz
02-22-2016, 03:00 PM
Jeff Green has always been ever so slightly below average at everything. He looks the part but has tweeners disease. I think his career would have been much better exclusively at the 3 in a Harrison Barnes/MKG type role.

I thought so too but in his first game against the Dubs, the team wasted alot of possessions just feeding him iso's and watching him go to work. Iggy shut that **** down real quick, stripped him twice and stopped him another. Its just clearly not a part of his game so I dont know why they stand around and watch him. I get that he doesn't really know the plays yet but I never saw them do this with Wes Johnson, maybe Wes know his limitations and doesn't call for the ball but Im starting to think hes the better starter. Hes not efficient either but he doesn't waste possessions and he stretches the floor better than any 3 we've had since Caron Butler.

IndyRealist
02-22-2016, 03:27 PM
I thought so too but in his first game against the Dubs, the team wasted alot of possessions just feeding him iso's and watching him go to work. Iggy shut that **** down real quick, stripped him twice and stopped him another. Its just clearly not a part of his game so I dont know why they stand around and watch him. I get that he doesn't really know the plays yet but I never saw them do this with Wes Johnson, maybe Wes know his limitations and doesn't call for the ball but Im starting to think hes the better starter. Hes not efficient either but he doesn't waste possessions and he stretches the floor better than any 3 we've had since Caron Butler.

People have a blindspot for players that shoot an average percentage, or slightly below. It's hard to tell without the box score, so it ends up looking like they do a good job. Then they throw a few 2-10 games out there but it's ok because "I know it's just an an off game, he's a good scorer. I've seen it." It's Jamal Crawford all over again.

I say the exact same thing about Paul George. Yes, he's an above average 3pt shooter, but he wastes a lot of possessions taking long contested 2s and turning the ball over. So overall he's essentially an average scorer who is allowed to take a crap ton of shots, which boosts his points per game.

Scoots
02-22-2016, 03:49 PM
Jamal Crawford ... 4 bad games, 1 okay game, 5 bad games, 1 great game, rinse and repeat. The GMs and opposing coaches and national media talking heads only remember the 1 great game in 11.

JJ Reddick is kind of the opposite ... he's been getting better and better and playing more and more consistently ... but he's largely ignored because he doesn't have those WOW games.