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kdspurman
02-18-2016, 01:22 PM
Per Woj

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/700369396770979841?lang=en

Scoots
02-18-2016, 01:24 PM
Saw that ... but for what?

Scoots
02-18-2016, 01:26 PM
Motie has a terrible health history but has shown flashes. Thornton is a scorer who never can seem to find a home (I feel kind of bad for him).

cmellofan15
02-18-2016, 01:26 PM
2016 protected first and Joel anthony

ManningToTyree
02-18-2016, 01:26 PM
Joel Anthony and protected first rounder I think I saw

Scoots
02-18-2016, 01:37 PM
I wonder what we can tell about the future moves for the Rockets based on them making this move? Certainly a look to the future rather than this year.

kingsdelez24
02-18-2016, 01:41 PM
Detroit is just loading up talent. They're gonna be scary deep in the playoffs if Montejuinas gets healthy

R. Johnson#3
02-18-2016, 01:43 PM
Marcus Thorton aka Lou Will v2.0. For every game he keeps you in, he shoots you out of 5.

Vinylman
02-18-2016, 01:49 PM
hmmm...

joel Anthony the new back up if D12 is traded?

Wade n Fade
02-18-2016, 01:51 PM
Joel Anthony, the starting C for your Houston Rockets! If Dwight or Capela aren't playing at all. That would be hilarious.

greg_ory_2005
02-18-2016, 02:05 PM
I'm surprised Joel was still in the league

Htownballa1622
02-18-2016, 02:15 PM
Looks like we wanted a pick for DMO since he will get paid in offseason...

Morey loves him some flexibility. smh.

SAD cuz i love dmo. But i understand it longterm.

Scoots
02-18-2016, 02:21 PM
hmmm...

joel Anthony the new back up if D12 is traded?

That was my first thought. More likely he was the cost of getting that 1st back.

Scoots
02-18-2016, 02:23 PM
Looks like we wanted a pick for DMO since he will get paid in offseason...

Morey loves him some flexibility. smh.

SAD cuz i love dmo. But i understand it longterm.

Why does it seem the Rockets never can get along with their big men?

mark1125
02-18-2016, 02:33 PM
Seems like a reasonable deal for both parties. If (and it's a big if) DM can stay healthy, I like it for the Pistons. With what they have done, they should be a playoff team. I think the pick is protected if it is top 8 which I highly doubt it would be.

Gotta give it to SVG. he is tired of watching the Pistons be mediocre and wants to win now while acquiring younger talent. DM and Harris just gave them nice compliments to Drummond. Kind of shocked they haven't addressed a backup PG yet. With Jennings gone, do you really want Blake logging significant minutes?

FOXHOUND
02-18-2016, 02:52 PM
I think Stan finally lost a trade. I can't believe he gave up a 1st for those two.

Htownballa1622
02-18-2016, 03:02 PM
Why does it seem the Rockets never can get along with their big men?

no idea. Style?

IndyRealist
02-18-2016, 03:03 PM
I think Stan finally lost a trade. I can't believe he gave up a 1st for those two.

Depends on the pick protections really. Two useful players and they think they're gonna be in the playoffs.

FOXHOUND
02-18-2016, 03:09 PM
Depends on the pick protections really. Two useful players and they think they're gonna be in the playoffs.

I think the protection is only top-8. If it was one of those "1st round picks" where it had those protections that practically make it a 2nd in a few years, I would get it. I don't find either of those two useful. Motiejunas hasn't played in a month with those continuing back issues and has only played 14 games to poor success. Thornton is an inefficient scorer who sucks at everything else.

I loved the Harris trade, I don't get this one.

rhino17
02-18-2016, 03:22 PM
I HATE this

Dmo was my favorite player, when healthy he was the only legit #2 option on the Rockets. His back must be in really ****** shape for more to give up on him

I am incredibly surprised

Scoots
02-18-2016, 03:28 PM
I HATE this

Dmo was my favorite player, when healthy he was the only legit #2 option on the Rockets. His back must be in really ****** shape for more to give up on him

I am incredibly surprised

I was wondering when we'd see you in this thread ... DMO just couldn't seem to get on the floor ... I expected a lot out of him too.

Is T Jones going to be next?

SensandRaps
02-18-2016, 03:31 PM
pistons are really deep at SF and SG now, makes sense for them to make this move since Morris/KCP were averaging 36-37 minutes a game and they wouldnt be able to stay fresh for the playoffs. depending on pick protection its a great move

Saddletramp
02-18-2016, 03:31 PM
This is half gamble, half dump for a first. Thornton wasn't coming back and is real hot/cold. Anthony is a team option next year so he'll be gone. So they cancel each other out. And DMo and T Jones are both going to be RFA this upcoming offseason and there's no way both stay (maybe neither).

The trade is basically a gamble that DMo's back will be healthy and that he won't receive a crazy offer this offseason. SVG is hoping what I was, that the back will be fine long term but scare teams off this offseason to not net DMo some crazy offer. Morey will take a top 8 protected first (which might be late teens by the end of the year).

5ass
02-18-2016, 03:34 PM
Good trade. SVG gets two much needed shooters.

KnicksorBust
02-18-2016, 03:35 PM
Genuinely confused. I thought the Rockets were high on DMO. Seems like the perfect type of PF for the modern game.

Chronz
02-18-2016, 03:44 PM
Man they really beefed up their bench woes, why cant the Clips do that after years of trying?

Chronz
02-18-2016, 03:52 PM
Genuinely confused. I thought the Rockets were high on DMO. Seems like the perfect type of PF for the modern game.

Good shooter but his range is still developing and I dont know how versatile he is defensively, I think part of the reason the Rox survived without Dwight last year was because he was able to play C and be the sole post option. When Dwight got back, the team was best with T-Jones/Smoove at the 4 alongside Dwight.

If hes healthy, I think hes the perfect backup to Drummond, far more skilled in the post. He might be able to play alongside him but its an imperfect pairing.

sep11ie
02-18-2016, 03:53 PM
I was probably the only Rocket fan that cringed when DMo was on the floor. Easily the most over rated on the team during his stretch. Can't rebound, can't dunk, misses tons of rebounds, can't play any D, plays half his time on the court on his back... His only positive if a few good hooks and he gets hot from 3 now and then.

ewing
02-18-2016, 03:53 PM
I think Stan finally lost a trade. I can't believe he gave up a 1st for those two.

I'm not so sure. Thronton is probably a rental but if Donte can get healthy they can probably being him back on the cheap after an injury hit year. I like Donte and the pick will probably be a mid round selection at best. Not a slam dunk but one that can play out in Det's favor IMO

Saddletramp
02-18-2016, 04:18 PM
Man they really beefed up their bench woes, why cant the Clips do that after years of trying?

One team has SVG, the other has Doc. 💯

5ass
02-18-2016, 06:10 PM
I think he should've taken Watson+Nicholson. Would've been cheaper. Nicholson is a lot like monty. Watson just needs to get to get healthy.

5ass
02-18-2016, 06:12 PM
Actually is a monty proven shooter than nicholson, so not sure.

MonroeFAN
02-18-2016, 06:14 PM
I think Stan finally lost a trade. I can't believe he gave up a 1st for those two.

Wat?

They're gonna get it this draft, and this draft is god awful. We add veterans and a chance at a damn fine stretch 4 who has great post moves and is young.

CHANGO
02-18-2016, 07:59 PM
Thornton may find some minutes with SVG and the Pistons.

I know that Joel Anthony is now on the Sixers, but, all I gotta say is... WARDEN! WARDEN! WARDEN! :clap:

FOXHOUND
02-18-2016, 08:02 PM
Wat?

They're gonna get it this draft, and this draft is god awful. We add veterans and a chance at a damn fine stretch 4 who has great post moves and is young.

I guess I was never that high on Motiejunas as other people. All 14 of his games this year came in December, back problems are no joke. He's also an upcoming RFA, which means you have to resign him because you're not trading a 1st for nothing.

Personally, I would take that 1st over him and get someone on a rookie contract. I don't think it's that hard to replace someone of his caliber via the draft. He himself was a 20th pick, not exactly a world beating talent.

IndyRealist
02-18-2016, 09:24 PM
I guess I was never that high on Motiejunas as other people. All 14 of his games this year came in December, back problems are no joke. He's also an upcoming RFA, which means you have to resign him because you're not trading a 1st for nothing.

Personally, I would take that 1st over him and get someone on a rookie contract. I don't think it's that hard to replace someone of his caliber via the draft. He himself was a 20th pick, not exactly a world beating talent.
I wouldn't correlate someone's draft position to talent level when you have years of actual experience against NBA competition to look at. Unless you're looking at signing Darko Milicic to put you over the top.

MonroeFAN
02-18-2016, 11:43 PM
I guess I was never that high on Motiejunas as other people. All 14 of his games this year came in December, back problems are no joke. He's also an upcoming RFA, which means you have to resign him because you're not trading a 1st for nothing.

Personally, I would take that 1st over him and get someone on a rookie contract. I don't think it's that hard to replace someone of his caliber via the draft. He himself was a 20th pick, not exactly a world beating talent.

His draft position really shouldn't come into play I feel like. His post moves are no joke. I understand it's risky with his back, but for this draft a pick in the 18-22 area is unlikely to net you a rotation player. I feel like that's the general consensus.

I don't mind the value for Houston, but it seems kind of random. He can't be that badly injured or we wouldn't have made the move.

PatsSoxKnicks
02-20-2016, 05:33 AM
Genuinely confused. I thought the Rockets were high on DMO. Seems like the perfect type of PF for the modern game.


Good shooter but his range is still developing and I dont know how versatile he is defensively, I think part of the reason the Rox survived without Dwight last year was because he was able to play C and be the sole post option. When Dwight got back, the team was best with T-Jones/Smoove at the 4 alongside Dwight.

If hes healthy, I think hes the perfect backup to Drummond, far more skilled in the post. He might be able to play alongside him but its an imperfect pairing.

A few things- one DMo's back injury is a legitimate real concern. Who knows if he's ever the same. Saw something like 75% of players with his injury have never returned to form or something like that. And the Rockets obviously know his health issues. And of course, he hasn't played in like a year too. So that's a legit concern.

The other thing is I'm not sure the Rockets are convinced he's a good 3-pt shooter (I'm 100% positive on this, know people there). He had one good season yes but if you guys have looked at the research, it takes about 750 attempts for 3-pt shooting to stabilize. He's had 1 season so is it a fluke? Or not? Obviously scouts etc. would be able to tell but this is where you'd need to be in practice and even then, I've heard you can't gauge because guys always shoot better in practice.

And so if he was over his head as a shooter and actually is at best an average or below avg shooter, is he really that valuable? The Rox were looking to pay him about 12 mill before the year started but given all the health concerns, is that worth it? Also, given that their team has imploded, is it worth it? They'll covet flexibility (and draft picks) more now that they're not really in contention. Paying DMo 12 million takes away some of that flexibility for a guy with some serious ? marks.

Also, getting a 1st round pick this year is huge given that if I'm not mistaken, the picks will follow the old salary scale before the cap jumps up. So you essentially get very cheap players under team control for awhile relative to the massive cap increase. And given the Rockets gave up their pick for Lawson, they probably really wanted to get one back especially given their very disappointing season (that Lawson trade looks horrid now).

PatsSoxKnicks
02-20-2016, 05:43 AM
I don't mind the value for Houston, but it seems kind of random. He can't be that badly injured or we wouldn't have made the move.

How would the Pistons know how badly injured he is? They didn't have him. The Rockets did so wouldn't you think the Rockets would know how badly injured he was?

Also, not saying the Rockets would do this but anyone remember that Sixers-Pelicans trade a bunch of years back with Jrue Holiday? Where the Sixers got a 1st and basically lied about how badly injured Jrue was and the Pelicans have been dealing with an injured Jrue basically ever since that deal was made. That deal looks pretty terrible from the Pelicans stand point right now considering the Sixers got Noel, Saric and a bunch of picks for a player who has barely played for the Pelicans and been injured every year.

Anyways, can't sit there and assume that the Pistons know everything about DMo's injury history, certainly not more than the Rockets, who maybe didn't share everything.

Sadds The Gr8
02-20-2016, 06:03 AM
surprised they didn't protect the pick more with DMO injuries and contract expiration. Rox win this easily

JWO35
02-20-2016, 10:40 AM
How would the Pistons know how badly injured he is? They didn't have him. The Rockets did so wouldn't you think the Rockets would know how badly injured he was?

Also, not saying the Rockets would do this but anyone remember that Sixers-Pelicans trade a bunch of years back with Jrue Holiday? Where the Sixers got a 1st and basically lied about how badly injured Jrue was and the Pelicans have been dealing with an injured Jrue basically ever since that deal was made. That deal looks pretty terrible from the Pelicans stand point right now considering the Sixers got Noel, Saric and a bunch of picks for a player who has barely played for the Pelicans and been injured every year.

Anyways, can't sit there and assume that the Pistons know everything about DMo's injury history, certainly not more than the Rockets, who maybe didn't share everything.

Every player has to pass a physical for the trade to become official...if DMO's back was that serious he would've failed the physical. The Pistons already sent him to a back specialist to get as much info as possible on him. From what I have gathered he's still healing but if needed he could play now(played 20+ mins in a D-League game 2 weeks ago), but I doubt the Pistons rush him since this trade has more to do with the future than the now.

mngopher35
02-20-2016, 03:35 PM
I've like svgs moves a lot outside of this one but am skeptical here. I get it's a weak draft and Dmo can hopefully contribute sooner but it just seems risky to me (don't fully trust Dmos game or health).

Time will tell but this is my least favorite of the moves they have made.

Htownballa1622
02-20-2016, 05:01 PM
If dmo ends up being healthy and re-signs then it's a win win.

Rox couldn't offer him much since we're a middle of the pack team right now. So he would have left for nada. Now, if dmo leaves then rox win this trade but I think stan will match anything since donatas is a restricted free agent.

To be determined who wins this trade.

rhino17
02-20-2016, 07:53 PM
If dmo ends up being healthy and re-signs then it's a win win.

Rox couldn't offer him much since we're a middle of the pack team right now. So he would have left for nada. Now, if dmo leaves then rox win this trade but I think stan will match anything since donatas is a restricted free agent.

To be determined who wins this trade.
If Dmo gets healthy, then its a clear win for the Pistons. If he gets back to his old self, the way he carried the team with Harden last season, there is no way a pick in the late teens is gonna return the same value for that.

But I have a feeling that Dmo's injury is pretty severe. He fit the rockets perfectly, giving up a player they were extremely high on indicates to me that they don't think he will ever return to form.

Htownballa1622
02-20-2016, 09:12 PM
If Dmo gets healthy, then its a clear win for the Pistons. If he gets back to his old self, the way he carried the team with Harden last season, there is no way a pick in the late teens is gonna return the same value for that.

But I have a feeling that Dmo's injury is pretty severe. He fit the rockets perfectly, giving up a player they were extremely high on indicates to me that they don't think he will ever return to form.

Idk. I think you've got to give to receive and as much as we love him, he's not the difference between us winning a chip or not.

We need more talent so we need the money to chase star players.

I think this is a financial situation. We love dmo but he's about to be paid and we wouldn't be able to chase bigger names if he signed for about 16 mil.

1st round picks will also be very valuable when cap rises cuz it's cheap labor on rookie deals.

North Yorker
02-21-2016, 06:01 PM
Trade may be voided

JWO35
02-22-2016, 10:43 AM
Trade may be voided

Terms of the trade can also be altered (ex. bumping up the protection of the pick or replacing it altogether)

Scoots
02-22-2016, 12:46 PM
The Rockets have had DMO a while and had made the decision to not re-sign him so the trade is a win if they get ANYTHING back.

Htownballa1622
02-22-2016, 03:24 PM
Trade voided. I hate you Stan.

Htownballa1622
02-22-2016, 03:26 PM
Watch Stan still offer a huge deal to him this offseason and keeps the pick.

Eff you Stan.

JWO35
02-22-2016, 03:28 PM
Trade voided. I hate you Stan.

At least you guys still have a shot at the playoffs...with no off the bench scorer for us(what Thornton would've brought) looks like we might be on the outside looking in. Trading Jennings & Ily for Harris was a great deal, but we needed someone to replace Jennings and with the deadline gone looks like we are stuck with Steve Blake as our backup PG & a 2nd round rookie as our backup SG :sad2:

Htownballa1622
02-22-2016, 03:38 PM
At least you guys still have a shot at the playoffs...with no off the bench scorer for us(what Thornton would've brought) looks like we might be on the outside looking in. Trading Jennings & Ily for Harris was a great deal, but we needed someone to replace Jennings and with the deadline gone looks like we are stuck with Steve Blake as our backup PG & a 2nd round rookie as our backup SG :sad2:

Yeah, Sucks because I didn't care if we made playoffs. Arguably be better if we missed it and kept our 1st(goes to Denver if we make playoffs)

I feel this was because they Stan's team got cold feet on long term effect of DMo's back. Plus yall lost the last 2 and are falling out of playoffs and realize that you might not make it and the pick would be more valuable.

I think it's bs because I could see Stan still try to make a run at Dmo in the offseason. Just a ***** situation for all involved.

Now Thornton's bad attitude is coming back. UGHHH

Blink
02-22-2016, 03:46 PM
Still keeping DMO on 2k and the pick!

When she says she's into bad boys...

JWO35
02-22-2016, 03:48 PM
Yeah, Sucks because I didn't care if we made playoffs. Arguably be better if we missed it and kept our 1st(goes to Denver if we make playoffs)

I feel this was because they Stan's team got cold feet on long term effect of DMo's back. Plus yall lost the last 2 and are falling out of playoffs and realize that you might not make it and the pick would be more valuable.

I think it's bs because I could see Stan still try to make a run at Dmo in the offseason. Just a ***** situation for all involved.

Now Thornton's bad attitude is coming back. UGHHH

Our bench is poop. I know the Tobias Harris trade was first, but I wonder if SVG had to do it all over again would he. He knew trading Jennings leaves a void at guard and Tobias can play either forward position. So trading for DMO and Thornton kinda could be seen as filling the void Jennings & Ilyasova left with Harris as an upgrade over Marcus Morris.

I doubt we go after Montiejunas(or DMO wanting to come here) after the Pistons basically told the entire NBA his back is a huge red flag...

Scoots
02-22-2016, 04:00 PM
So ... who is the next Ish Smith out there ... soon to be a Piston :)

sixer04fan
02-22-2016, 04:29 PM
So, the guy the Sixers waived to facilitate this deal has already been signed by Denver. And we can't get him back now. That's kind of messed up lol

JWO35
02-22-2016, 04:33 PM
So, the guy the Sixers waived to facilitate this deal has already been signed by Denver. And we can't get him back now. That's kind of messed up lol

lol I read about that...at least Detroit & Rockets get their players/picks back, you guys released a guy and get nothing in return. Maybe the 76ers can file a motion against the Rockets or something for trying to trade a lemon :laugh2:

sep11ie
02-22-2016, 05:00 PM
Terms of the trade can also be altered (ex. bumping up the protection of the pick or replacing it altogether)

No, no terms can be altered after the deadline. They either would have accept all original terms of the deal or the entore trade is voided, which is what happened.

That sucks for us. That 1st would have been nice. It's not like it was a big secret that DMo was damaged goods.

phantasyyy
02-22-2016, 05:16 PM
Yeah, Sucks because I didn't care if we made playoffs. Arguably be better if we missed it and kept our 1st(goes to Denver if we make playoffs)

I feel this was because they Stan's team got cold feet on long term effect of DMo's back. Plus yall lost the last 2 and are falling out of playoffs and realize that you might not make it and the pick would be more valuable.

I think it's bs because I could see Stan still try to make a run at Dmo in the offseason. Just a ***** situation for all involved.

Now Thornton's bad attitude is coming back. UGHHH

Can't really blame the Pistons lol dude didnt pass his physical/was too damaged to trade. I mean Stan pulled the trigger because there was obviously some interest in attaining Dmo. The trade itself was pretty crazy since every1 knew that the Rox weren't planning to retain him after his contract anyways. Giving up a first for someone you would be able to get the in offseason isnt really smart to begin with.

Blink
02-22-2016, 05:28 PM
Can't really blame the Pistons lol dude didnt pass his physical/was too damaged to trade. I mean Stan pulled the trigger because there was obviously some interest in attaining Dmo. The trade itself was pretty crazy since every1 knew that the Rox weren't planning to retain him after his contract anyways. Giving up a first for someone you would be able to get the in offseason isnt really smart to begin with.

Being able to match any offer is why we made the deal. Other than our bench being a complete joke.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
02-22-2016, 06:46 PM
Yeah it's null void now.



https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/701846733593116674

5ass
02-22-2016, 08:17 PM
Ouch. I thought this trade was important for them. Now they're left without much shooting. Who is going to space the floor for them? Besides Meeks (when healthy) and Tolliver they have no consistent shooters. They also could've used Thornton as a back up PG. I think this will cost them the play offs. I think without this move, the pistons took a step back this year when they traded for Harris. Will be fine long term though.

5ass
02-22-2016, 08:23 PM
Our bench is poop. I know the Tobias Harris trade was first, but I wonder if SVG had to do it all over again would he. He knew trading Jennings leaves a void at guard and Tobias can play either forward position. So trading for DMO and Thornton kinda could be seen as filling the void Jennings & Ilyasova left with Harris as an upgrade over Marcus Morris.

I doubt we go after Montiejunas(or DMO wanting to come here) after the Pistons basically told the entire NBA his back is a huge red flag...

I feel like stan will go after Andrew Nicholson. Pretty sure he coached him as a rookie, and he's a lot like donatas.

rocket
02-23-2016, 01:57 AM
Can't really blame the Pistons lol dude didnt pass his physical/was too damaged to trade. I mean Stan pulled the trigger because there was obviously some interest in attaining Dmo. The trade itself was pretty crazy since every1 knew that the Rox weren't planning to retain him after his contract anyways. Giving up a first for someone you would be able to get the in offseason isnt really smart to begin with.

Stan wants to win now and for the future. The draft class is one of the weakest in recent memory for this year. It was a good move. Ehh now we can get him in free agency after he's cleared

Htownballa1622
02-23-2016, 10:05 AM
Stan wants to win now and for the future. The draft class is one of the weakest in recent memory for this year. It was a good move. Ehh now we can get him in free agency after he's cleared

He's a restricted free agent so if Morey wants to keep him, that'll be up to him.
I just hope if Stan goes after him in free agency, Morey keeps him away and makes Stan pay the farm for him next year in trade.

I feel like Stan realized he lost the trade and then balked by using the physical as an excuse.

Scoots
02-23-2016, 11:14 AM
He's a restricted free agent so if Morey wants to keep him, that'll be up to him.
I just hope if Stan goes after him in free agency, Morey keeps him away and makes Stan pay the farm for him next year in trade.

I feel like Stan realized he lost the trade and then balked by using the physical as an excuse.

I think the failed physical cuts DMO's money in half so Stan can now sign him for less if he wants him. While now DMO knows Morey doesn't value him and DMO knows the level of dysfunction in the Rockets organization.

Htownballa1622
02-23-2016, 11:33 AM
I think the failed physical cuts DMO's money in half so Stan can now sign him for less if he wants him. While now DMO knows Morey doesn't value him and DMO knows the level of dysfunction in the Rockets organization.

You think DMo is going to want to sign with a guy that publicly cut his value on the open market down in half?

Not to mention, if he DID sign an offer sheet with the Pistons, Houston can match and retain him.

I'd say the chances are slim he signs with Detroit ever.

Scoots
02-23-2016, 11:39 AM
You think DMo is going to want to sign with a guy that publicly cut his value on the open market down in half?

Not to mention, if he DID sign an offer sheet with the Pistons, Houston can match and retain him.

I'd say the chances are slim he signs with Detroit ever.

His back cut his value. But sure, he may not want to go to Detroit. But none of that means SVG voided the trade for any underhanded reason.

Morey hates poison pills that take away flexibility so it's not likely he matches a market offer to DMO.

rhino17
02-23-2016, 03:12 PM
Everyone knows what happened last time the rockets and pistons made a trade and the trade was voided due to a failed physical. Let's just hope history repeats itself....