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SteBO
01-16-2016, 11:05 AM
1/17 - 1/22 Schedule:
NOTE: ALL TIMES EASTERN


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Miami HEAT @ Oklahoma City Thunder
Sunday, Jan 17, 2016
Chesapeake Energy Arena, Oklahoma City, OK
7:00pmET
Season Series: 1-0
TV: Fox Sports Sun


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Miami HEAT vs. Milwaukee Bucks
Tuesday, Jan 19, 2016
American Airlines Arena, Miami, FL
7:30pmET
Season Series: 0-0
TV: Fox Sports Sun


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Miami HEAT @ Washington Wizards
Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016
Verizon Center, Washington, DC
7:00pmET
Season Series: 1-1
TV: Fox Sports Sun


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Miami HEAT @ Toronto Raptors
Friday, Jan 22, 2016
Air Canada Centre, Toronto, ON
8:00pmET
Season Series: 1-1
TV: Fox Sports Sun

archdevil84
01-16-2016, 12:08 PM
win in OKC would be big. bucks, wizards and raptors should all be wins but considering how inconsistent we play and how we have struggled against other eastern teams we might just go 0-4 this week

beasted86
01-16-2016, 01:12 PM
OKC game isn't national broadcast?

WaDe03
01-16-2016, 01:55 PM
1-3

SteBO
01-16-2016, 02:51 PM
OKC game isn't national broadcast?
Funny you asked this, because I triple checked that one because nba.com sometimes forgets to update the telecasts. I checked espn too. It isn't a national broadcast, not even NBAtv.

hotdalton18
01-17-2016, 02:42 PM
So Wade may play

Dragic is out

We have a lot of injuries

A win here would really show some depth and heart

hotdalton18
01-17-2016, 03:00 PM
Beasley averaging 32/13/4 in China

I know it's China but he'd be way better for us then Mcroberts

Mr. Baller
01-17-2016, 04:36 PM
Beasley averaging 32/13/4 in China

I know it's China but he'd be way better for us then Mcroberts

Beasley did that **** in China last year too. Dude isn't an NBA player

HandsOnTheWheel
01-17-2016, 07:25 PM
So dumb that they aren't nationally televising the game.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-17-2016, 08:50 PM
Gonna be a long game.

Slug3
01-17-2016, 09:40 PM
Damn, I want to like Green but he has way too many games where he's shooting horrible. And he suppose to be out best shooter.

Slug3
01-17-2016, 09:41 PM
Beasley averaging 32/13/4 in China

I know it's China but he'd be way better for us then Mcroberts

Really? We have given him like 15 chances and it hasn't worked out. Why give him another?

ATX
01-17-2016, 09:42 PM
So, coming out flat and getting crushed in the 3rd Q as per usual...

WaDe03
01-17-2016, 09:48 PM
The team of 2 halves. I can say this literally every game. Wade has 0 help out there he should've been more
Aggressive in the third but this ones already over. Bosh getting ate by Ibaka.

lavilevi23
01-17-2016, 09:56 PM
This team is hard to watch right now. Riley do something..!

WaDe03
01-17-2016, 10:13 PM
Good game Wade. Hopefully we'll get you some help at the deadline.

lavilevi23
01-17-2016, 10:16 PM
74 points lmao what a joke

beasted86
01-17-2016, 10:19 PM
Can't be mad at this loss or result. Dragić, Udrih, and then in the 2nd quarter Green gets injured. Their guard depth was depleted.

Johnson was asked to do too much and as a result had a bad game.

Without guards putting pressure on the defense from the perimeter, Bosh and Whiteside had limited opportunities and spacing.

If this was a scrub team like the 76ers or Lakers, I might be mad losing even with the injuries, but this is a borderline contending Thunder team.

beasted86
01-17-2016, 10:20 PM
Beasley averaging 32/13/4 in China

I know it's China but he'd be way better for us then Mcroberts
Anyone who isn't injured is better than McRoberts right now.

WaDe03
01-17-2016, 10:32 PM
Can't be mad at this loss or result. Dragić, Udrih, and then in the 2nd quarter Green gets injured. Their guard depth was depleted.

Johnson was asked to do too much and as a result had a bad game.

Without guards putting pressure on the defense from the perimeter, Bosh and Whiteside had limited opportunities and spacing.

If this was a scrub team like the 76ers or Lakers, I might be mad losing even with the injuries, but this is a borderline contending Thunder team.

Johnson had 16-6-4 on good shooting. 4 turnovers but I'd say he was our 2nd or 3rd best player tonight. Either him or Hassan.

beasted86
01-17-2016, 10:49 PM
Johnson had 16-6-4 on good shooting. 4 turnovers but I'd say he was our 2nd or 3rd best player tonight. Either him or Hassan.
Seemed like he turned the ball over every time he drove into traffic and he did absolutely nothing to stop Westbrook from making all the plays. The bigs had to keep stepping up to defend his drives and he kept putting the defense off-balance and that's why they got easy shots.

beasted86
01-17-2016, 10:51 PM
But you're right the shooting wasn't bad and maybe I'm putting to much pressure on him with what he had to do

WaDe03
01-18-2016, 01:53 AM
But you're right the shooting wasn't bad and maybe I'm putting to much pressure on him with what he had to do

Nah you're right he could've played better defense but not many can stop Westbrook. I put a lot of the blame of tonight on Bosh and Green who were chucking and not hitting a shot. This allowed OKC to just lock in on Wade defensively in the second half. I still think Wade should've been more aggressive to score in the second half like he was the first. I'm not buying the he's tired excuse people are saying this has been a problem all season whenever him and Bosh or both have big first halves we tend to go away from them in the second half or they try too hard to get others involved. Just play ball no need to switch up what's been working so good in the first half.

hotdalton18
01-18-2016, 12:06 PM
Beasley averaging 32/13/4 in China

I know it's China but he'd be way better for us then Mcroberts

Really? We have given him like 15 chances and it hasn't worked out. Why give him another?


You say it hasn't worked

But even last year (with no camp or anything with an NBA team)

He was better then McRoberts/Amar'e/Bird/Winslow/Beno...you can even argue better then Tyler Johnson has been this year

Our bench is trash

He scores points

Mcroberts is a zero , so he's at least better then that

WaDe03
01-18-2016, 01:08 PM
You say it hasn't worked

But even last year (with no camp or anything with an NBA team)

He was better then McRoberts/Amar'e/Bird/Winslow/Beno...you can even argue better then Tyler Johnson has been this year

Our bench is trash

He scores points

Mcroberts is a zero , so he's at least better then that

He for sure wasn't better than Johnson or Winslow. Beno is an argument and since birdman and Amare never play I'll give the edge to Beasley. I don't want him on the team again though he won't help at all.

beasted86
01-18-2016, 10:39 PM
Lol @ Beasley suggestions. Seriously, LMAO!

Anyway, stepping back to reality, the team needs shooters in the worst way, and need to change these guy's training schedules or diets or vitamin intake or whatever, because the team is destroyed by injuries and you have guys like McRoberts out with no timetable and continuously recurring injuries to Johnson's shoulders. Something is wrong there.

With Green out and Richardson in the main rotation I see a lot of losses coming. That guy should be in the D-league on permanent stay til next summer. He cannot be in the rotation on a supposed playoff team.

archdevil84
01-19-2016, 12:25 PM
mcroberts out for the year

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 12:53 PM
mcroberts out for the year

Is that a question or are you saying you saw he was out for the year?

archdevil84
01-19-2016, 03:51 PM
Is that a question or are you saying you saw he was out for the year?

i'm stating my mind and the obvious lol. How can he be injured this long without any proper updates? sounds to me like he's done for this season. but no, i havent read any updates regarding him. i was just frustrated by the miami heat twitter saying mcbob was out again tonight

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 04:40 PM
i'm stating my mind and the obvious lol. How can he be injured this long without any proper updates? sounds to me like he's done for this season. but no, i havent read any updates regarding him. i was just frustrated by the miami heat twitter saying mcbob was out again tonight

They're acting like he'll be back soon but he'll be garbage when he gets back.

SportsFanatic10
01-19-2016, 05:35 PM
Wade MRI negative on both shoulders, so that's good news. He says he will continue to play through it. We really need a win tonight before heading back out on the road for the next 5.

Slug3
01-19-2016, 06:23 PM
Wade MRI negative on both shoulders, so that's good news. He says he will continue to play through it. We really need a win tonight before heading back out on the road for the next 5.

So both his shoulders are messed up? I thought it was one, crazy. Is he playing tonight or out?

archdevil84
01-19-2016, 06:57 PM
bosh needs to carry tonight. everyone's banged up: wade, johnson, whiteside had some issues 2 weeks back, bosh is the only one who is stil healthy atm

beasted86
01-19-2016, 07:21 PM
What's injury status tonight on Gerald Green, Dragić, and Udrih?

All-In
01-19-2016, 08:05 PM
What's injury status tonight on Gerald Green, Dragić, and Udrih?

I saw on espn that Dragic and Udrih are out and Green is probable

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 08:15 PM
I've got a bad feeling about this game.

beasted86
01-19-2016, 08:46 PM
With both PGs out, we're losing this game also. Tyler Johnson is having a hard time with full court ball pressure.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 08:47 PM
It's ugly early.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 08:51 PM
You should probably try to score Wade.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 09:04 PM
Hassan!

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 09:05 PM
Down 1 after that terrible first quarter. I'll take it but we need to go into half time with a lead.

hotdalton18
01-19-2016, 09:23 PM
I love a motivated Hassan

Wade should get more aggressive

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 09:24 PM
Step the **** up Wade.

archdevil84
01-19-2016, 09:34 PM
seeing josh richardson play makes me miss james ennis....

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 09:35 PM
Add another L to the record against a below .500 team and 12th seed. We'll be below .500 soon enough.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 09:37 PM
seeing josh richardson play makes me miss james ennis....

Seeing this garbage *** team play makes me miss LeBron.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 09:40 PM
Hopefully that was our bad half.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 09:43 PM
Deng has been getting killed lately.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 09:43 PM
2 points from our starting backcourt

Slug3
01-19-2016, 09:59 PM
I feel like if the Whiteside is guarding a good post player he has a hard time slowing them down at all.

Slug3
01-19-2016, 10:01 PM
Seriously our game plans don't work. It's starting to look like time to move on from Spo.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:02 PM
They gave us chances to get back in it but we love to **** up. Wades being a ***** not going to the rim at all.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:04 PM
Seriously our game plans don't work. It's starting to look like time to move on from Spo.

It's been time.

Slug3
01-19-2016, 10:08 PM
It's been time.

I've never really gotten behind Spo as the coach and I know others have. I don't want to argue that, but other coaches seem to do more with less. At some point we all sit here and argue about this teams short comings and we have all these excuses except it bein the coach. I do fully believe without Lebron Spo would probably not be a head coach here or somewhere else in the NBA.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:10 PM
Wade is scared to death of the Bucks length.

Slug3
01-19-2016, 10:13 PM
Once this next road trip is over we will be out of the playoffs. Honestly of is team doesn't make it again this year then a lot of coaches need to go.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:17 PM
Good end to the quarter.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:21 PM
Keep chucking Winslow!

beasted86
01-19-2016, 10:24 PM
I hope Riley is getting a good look at all the bricks being tossed up

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:25 PM
Who tells Winslow to shoot these 3s?

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:25 PM
I hope Riley is getting a good look at all the bricks being tossed up

Give him some time he wants to wait until we're well out of the playoffs at the deadline.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 10:37 PM
Am I watching the Heat right now or their D-league affiliate?

ATX
01-19-2016, 10:41 PM
What the F has happened to this team? They are a complete dumpster fire right now...Just getting their butts handed to them and it's embarrassing.

Slug3
01-19-2016, 10:42 PM
Am I watching the Heat right now or their D-league affiliate?

Don't let go of the rope. Plus all the other crap those guys say after losses.

SportsFanatic10
01-19-2016, 10:45 PM
Why are guys like Bosh and Whiteside in the game right now when we're short handed and in the middle of the most grueling part of our schedule. They should be getting some rest right now with the game already decided. Spo should be getting guys like Stokes some run, I really don't like his coaching at all.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 10:45 PM
Don't let go of the rope. Plus all the other crap those guys say after losses.

What?

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:46 PM
Am I watching the Heat right now or their D-league affiliate?

Nah you're watching the Heat. The D-League team wins games.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:47 PM
Why are guys like Bosh and Whiteside in the game right now when we're short handed and in the middle of the most grueling part of our schedule. They should be getting some rest right now with the game already decided. Spo should be getting guys like Stokes some run, I really don't like his coaching at all.

We have one of the worst coaching staffs in the league.

beasted86
01-19-2016, 10:47 PM
Wade is too inconsistent to be our go to scorer anymore. They need to hand the keys over to Dragić and Bosh... after all, they are younger and the ones locked up for the long haul anyway.

Wade either learns to keep up with the adjusted pace or gets left behind.

And I'm sorry, but Winslow's minutes need to be cut to under 20 per game. More like 12-15 until his handles and shooting improve.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 10:48 PM
I'm just trying to decipher why Josh Richardson has been in for more than half the game.

beasted86
01-19-2016, 10:51 PM
I'm just trying to decipher why Josh Richardson has been in for more than half the game.

No Dragić, no Udrih, and Green dealing with knee issues.

Slug3
01-19-2016, 10:51 PM
What?

You don't remember Spo always saying "don't let go of the rope"?

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 10:53 PM
Our starters need to be playing 34+ minutes a game from now on. Good game Whiteside and Bosh.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 10:53 PM
No Dragić, no Udrih, and Green dealing with knee issues.

But Josh Richardson? We can sign someone off the street to perform better than him.

DQL
01-19-2016, 10:54 PM
This team is so garbage it hurts to watch. I wish Riley cut Stokes and Richardson's bum a$$ses to sign a veteran PG and a shooter, but our owner rather saves his couple millions :rolleyes:

beasted86
01-19-2016, 10:55 PM
With Green and now Johnson shooting this terrible, well Riley finally make a move?

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 10:56 PM
You don't remember Spo always saying "don't let go of the rope"?

Kind of hard to do when there's no rope to begin with.

beasted86
01-19-2016, 10:58 PM
This team is so garbage it hurts to watch. I wish Riley cut Stokes and Richardson's bum a$$ses to sign a veteran PG and a shooter, but our owner rather saves his couple millions :rolleyes:
This.

I'd rather Ennis than Richardson honestly.

Stokes and Richardson need to go out with Birdman. They all don't belong on a "playoff team."

Then get 2 shooters and a stretch 4.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 11:04 PM
Not gonna lie, I kind of miss those pre-Lebron teams where it was vintage Wade every night with Dorell Wright, Chalmers, QRich, Jermaine Oneal, etc. chipping in.

That's what this team reminds me of right now, just plain mediocre. At least those teams were consistent tho.

DQL
01-19-2016, 11:16 PM
Not gonna lie, I kind of miss those pre-Lebron teams where it was vintage Wade every night with Dorell Wright, Chalmers, QRich, Jermaine Oneal, etc. chipping in.

That's what this team reminds me of right now, just plain mediocre. At least those teams were consistent tho.

Agreed. That team had hearts, and the supporting cast complemented Wade well.

This current team is very flawed. We have a black-hole center, a soft PF who plays like a SG, an old SF who doesn't excel at anything, a diva SG who can't shoot and a PG who is a poor fit for the team's offense as well as his backcourt mate.

Slug3
01-19-2016, 11:20 PM
Not gonna lie, I kind of miss those pre-Lebron teams where it was vintage Wade every night with Dorell Wright, Chalmers, QRich, Jermaine Oneal, etc. chipping in.

That's what this team reminds me of right now, just plain mediocre. At least those teams were consistent tho.

Don't forget Chris Quinn. Use to love when that dude went off.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 11:31 PM
Hell we should've kept Henry Walker for ****s sake! Anyone that can shoot.

All-In
01-19-2016, 11:34 PM
Wade is too inconsistent to be our go to scorer anymore. They need to hand the keys over to Dragić and Bosh... after all, they are younger and the ones locked up for the long haul anyway.

Wade either learns to keep up with the adjusted pace or gets left behind.

And I'm sorry, but Winslow's minutes need to be cut to under 20 per game. More like 12-15 until his handles and shooting improve.

I think these past couple of games without Dragic has highlighted some points......The Dragic/Bosh combination is our monster 2-man unit.....Bosh is the best and most important player on this team, I think most of us here know that, but Dragic is without a doubt our second most important player on this team, hes been getting way too much crap for not putting up better numbers....but the stuff beyond the numbers and on the court, like ball-movement, communication, player movement, ball denial and solid defensive rotations make him more important than the ball-stopping Dwyane Wade

Wade's play has been pissing me off all year and Ive been wanting him to come off the bench all year....Even though hes playing through a shoulder injury, which he clearly should sit for a couple of games, his lack of player movement and focus on high single "pick-and-rolls" stops our motion and defenses bump down, "help the helper" forcing Wade to back out a lot and reestablish position killing our offense.....We cant shoot 3's, We can't create space, our players need to create space by moving without the ball and not standing around watching Wade

I agree with you, Wade needs to adjust for sure

Since December 1st, right around the time of McBob and TJ's injury and post-rio, Wade's net efficiency rating has been a -5...Bosh +2.8 and Dragic +1.4 for reference....Wade might be putting up OK numbers but the tape tells a different story, when everyone comes back healthy (Hopefully, of course) Wade should come off the bench and TJ should start, in my opinion, is that going to fix everything? No, we need personal upgrades for that, but it will help alleviate some of our deficiencies in the interim....theres nothing wrong for Wade to take on the Manu role

Will it happen? Probably not.....but I really think it should

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 11:58 PM
Agreed. That team had hearts, and the supporting cast complemented Wade well.

This current team is very flawed. We have a black-hole center, a soft PF who plays like a SG, an old SF who doesn't excel at anything, a diva SG who can't shoot and a PG who is a poor fit for the team's offense as well as his backcourt mate.
No doubt man.


Don't forget Chris Quinn. Use to love when that dude went off.
Lol Chris Quinn. Guy looked scary a f. How about big cat Jamaal Magloire? It was always fun watching him throw his massive frame around haha. We really didn't start using James Jones all that much until the big 3 came around I think.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 11:58 PM
With Green and now Johnson shooting this terrible, well Riley finally make a move?

God I hope so.

WaDe03
01-20-2016, 01:14 AM
Meanwhile Devin Booker scored 32 tonight.

Slug3
01-20-2016, 10:17 AM
I just think now that there is a scouting report on Whiteside, teams have figured him out. I mean they talk about driving it to him and pump faking him to get him in the air and passing it to his open man who makes it. Everyone knows, and once you get a scouting report you are either too god that it doesn't matter, or you start to go the way of Whiteside and become a problem.

SteBO
01-20-2016, 11:14 AM
Wade is too inconsistent to be our go to scorer anymore. They need to hand the keys over to Dragić and Bosh... after all, they are younger and the ones locked up for the long haul anyway.

Wade either learns to keep up with the adjusted pace or gets left behind.

And I'm sorry, but Winslow's minutes need to be cut to under 20 per game. More like 12-15 until his handles and shooting improve.
I've been playing this Dragic/Bosh tune until I just got tired of playing it altogether. There's a reason our offensive production in the 1st half of games up until Dragic went down with the calf strain was good. The moment Wade commits to playing off the ball and hands over the reigns to Dragic and Bosh is the moment we'll have our first breakthrough offensively.

beasted86
01-20-2016, 11:33 AM
But I will say that Dragić and Bosh running the show will still not solve the shooting problem.

Seriously, what is/was Riley thinking with this roster? Even if McRoberts was healthy and playing decent, shooting would still be a weak point of this team. It's glaring and obvious. I'm not sure what else extra needs to happen for them to realize the personnel is just not good enough to be consistent.

Slug3
01-20-2016, 01:23 PM
I've been playing this Dragic/Bosh tune until I just got tired of playing it altogether. There's a reason our offensive production in the 1st half of games up until Dragic went down with the calf strain was good. The moment Wade commits to playing off the ball and hands over the reigns to Dragic and Bosh is the moment we'll have our first breakthrough offensively.

Its so frustrating to hear Wade after every game say "we need to stop trying to play hero ball" when he is the biggest one doing it.

All-In
01-20-2016, 01:57 PM
Meanwhile Devin Booker scored 32 tonight.

Winslow has been a black hole for us on offense this year but I wouldn't say we should've picked Booker over Winslow until at least they turn 22 years old......For me at least, this summer isn't just the "summer of Durant" but the "anticipation of Winslow"......Whatever we do this off-season is of course very important but I think just as important is the progression Winslow makes.....Will he develop a better handle? 3pt shot? Mid range shot? Finish around the rim stronger? The "anticipation of Winslow" will make or break our team next year

archdevil84
01-20-2016, 07:52 PM
wade out tonight. normally that means we'll have a horrible offensive game but at this point i actually think we might benefit from wade not playing. he's been absolute thrash of late

beasted86
01-20-2016, 08:17 PM
This is surely going to be a loss.

Slug3
01-20-2016, 08:31 PM
I still think after this road trip we will be out of the playoffs. And honestly if we don't make it this year, Spo needs to go. And really if Riley cant get anyone in the offseason then maybe its time for him to step down. I get how big his legacy is and everything, but we literally have no future at this point. No draft picks as we just gave them away.

WaDe03
01-20-2016, 08:36 PM
I still think after this road trip we will be out of the playoffs. And honestly if we don't make it this year, Spo needs to go. And really if Riley cant get anyone in the offseason then maybe its time for him to step down. I get how big his legacy is and everything, but we literally have no future at this point. No draft picks as we just gave them away.

If we don't make the playoffs Wade is 100% gone. That's a fact. Unless of course LeBron or KD signed before he leaves. Unfortunately the team he would probably go to is the Cavs.

beasted86
01-20-2016, 08:51 PM
I still remember people were arguing that Johnson is ready for full time PG... SMH.

beasted86
01-20-2016, 08:56 PM
And now wtf is thIs with Whiteside?

Fire our entire training staff. This is two seasons straight of constant injuries.

Slug3
01-20-2016, 09:27 PM
Man as much as a lot of us (and the players) got on Chalmers. He was pretty consistent for us and would sometimes have a big game. Riley made a big mistake letting him go. Seems like TJ played better and harder when he was not sure if he had a spot. Now he does and all hell is gone with him.

But honestly now that we don't have players it shows that what Spo is doing is not working. I'm not even sure what he offensive gameplan ever is, but I feel a high school coach would have more plays then Spo does.

Slug3
01-20-2016, 09:42 PM
And now wtf is thIs with Whiteside?

Fire our entire training staff. This is two seasons straight of constant injuries.

So what happened to Whiteside?

lavilevi23
01-20-2016, 09:49 PM
Panic mode starts now

HandsOnTheWheel
01-20-2016, 10:19 PM
We're ****ed.

All-In
01-20-2016, 10:31 PM
And now wtf is thIs with Whiteside?

Fire our entire training staff. This is two seasons straight of constant injuries.

I agree, I dont get what our training staff is doing....This is such an important year for our franchise and injury's happen so you got to deal with them no matter what....but it just feels like there has been such a mismanagement of player's injurys, like with Wade, Whiteside and TJ.....and oh, dont let me started on McRoberts.....It exposes a depth problem too, which at one point this season wasn't a problem.....I hate playing the "just wait until we're healthy again" game....and even when we are healthy again there are so many flaws with our offense, it really becomes a burden.....but I do believe when we are at full health we are a playoff team and we should win a round or 2.........but the sad thing is now the chase is on for full health and the clock is ticking....maybe it will take a month and we can come out of this current mess a playoff competitive team again....or maybe health never comes and we miss the playoffs......and I hate it

WaDe03
01-20-2016, 11:01 PM
Winslow Deng Birdman McRoberts and Udrih/Stokes for Melo and Calderon. Idc about the summer we aren't getting anyone. Knicks think hard on it because of Winslow and the fact of getting those 2 contracts off the books.

hotdalton18
01-20-2016, 11:05 PM
Man as much as a lot of us (and the players) got on Chalmers. He was pretty consistent for us and would sometimes have a big game. Riley made a big mistake letting him go. Seems like TJ played better and harder when he was not sure if he had a spot. Now he does and all hell is gone with him.

But honestly now that we don't have players it shows that what Spo is doing is not working. I'm not even sure what he offensive gameplan ever is, but I feel a high school coach would have more plays then Spo does.


Chalmers is almost as inconsistent as green

Consistent and chalmers don't go together

Slug3
01-20-2016, 11:05 PM
Isn't this like the second year in a row where the mid way point half our team is injured? Maybe it might be time to get rid of the training/medical staff?

WaDe03
01-21-2016, 01:15 AM
Dragic and Udrih have mentioned playing on Friday. Hopefully they're back and Deng and Wade are good to go. I'd like to see more of that small ball lineup we used against the Warriors where we had our best offensive game of the season.

beasted86
01-21-2016, 08:35 AM
Winslow Deng Birdman McRoberts and Udrih/Stokes for Melo and Calderon. Idc about the summer we aren't getting anyone. Knicks think hard on it because of Winslow and the fact of getting those 2 contracts off the books.
Might as well include Whiteside because with Melo and Calderon it's impossible to resign him. So gift them Whiteside also and hope they throw in a 2020 first round pick.

WaDe03
01-21-2016, 12:54 PM
Might as well include Whiteside because with Melo and Calderon it's impossible to resign him. So gift them Whiteside also and hope they throw in a 2020 first round pick.

Might as well lol. The pieces don't fit at all over here. Calderon is a knockdown shooter and smart player and Melo is the extra scorer we need to help Wade Bosh and Dragif score when one of them is having an off night which is every night. I also think that could raise our offensive efficiency as a whole because of the attention you have to give to Wade Melo and Bosh.

Dragic/Calderon
Wade/Johnson
Melo or ???/Green
Melo or ???/Bosh
Bosh/amare

Fill the holes with current free agents or guys who get bought out. I know you're probably ****ing with me though lol.

WaDe03
01-21-2016, 01:02 PM
A writer for New York mentioned the Knicks should try to move Melo while his stock is high for Whiteside Deng Winslow a 2020 first round pick and 2022 first round pick. He included McRoberts to the sixers for Hollis Thompson in the trade as well.

Dragic/Udrih
Wade/Johnson
Thompson/Green or the other way around
Melo/Wright? Stokes? Player who gets bought out?
Bosh/Amare

The window is close to being closed for this team and a big move like this needs to be made. I have no doubt in my mind that if we miss the playoffs and don't get Durant or LeBron Wades probably gone to Cleveland smh. That'll make it impossible for anyone to compete in the east.

beasted86
01-21-2016, 04:46 PM
Yes, I was kidding. We should avoid any trades with Whiteside and/or Winslow unless it makes the team collectively younger.

Every trade idea I've come up with including Whiteside was making us younger. And even if I'm trading Deng who is surely gone after this year, I still want to get younger.

Maybe the reason we keep getting injuries is because our locker room is the geriatric club and the staff is being spread too thin worrying about dinosaurs like Andersen and Stoudemire and Wade who have constant everyday issues that need managing and therapy.

I don't want to trade for Howard or Anthony or anyone who is 30 plus and has their lot of back, knee, shoulder, etc injuries that need constant management.

beasted86
01-21-2016, 04:52 PM
Chalmers is almost as inconsistent as green

Consistent and chalmers don't go together

That's an exaggeration.

And furthermore, you guys complained so much about Chalmers making bonehead plays, but at least they were "plays" as in trying to get the offense or whole team going rather than only himself, being a black hole like Green who looks for his own shot 80% of the time.

If Chalmers were here I know he'd be finding Whiteside for at least one more lob per game. It's seriously like Dragić and Udrih don't know how. Maybe guys in Europe just can't get up like that and it's something engrained in their style of play. Whatever it is Spo needs to do something about it.

beasted86
01-21-2016, 06:39 PM
After Whiteside thrashed them... I wonder if Denver would entertain this trade idea:

Faried + Nurkic for Whiteside, Winslow, McRoberts and Andersen + 2nd round pick (from Chalmers trade)

Slug3
01-21-2016, 07:51 PM
After Whiteside thrashed them... I wonder if Denver would entertain this trade idea:

Faried + Nurkic for Whiteside, Winslow, McRoberts and Andersen + 2nd round pick (from Chalmers trade)

Man that would make our already crappy wing D even worse.

flashelement
01-21-2016, 10:31 PM
Congratulations to dwade for being named as a starter to the all-star game. Big ups to clueless Heat Nation. Im sure dwade is rubbing his hands together like a cartoon villian, thinking, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!" Now he can safely shut it down after the all-star break and demand another 20 million next season! Pat: "this is ludicrous, wade only played half a season..." Wade's attorney: "My client made the all-star team as a starter, and should be paid accordingly."

beasted86
01-21-2016, 10:39 PM
Man that would make our already crappy wing D even worse.

Winslow is not going to make or break our entire defense.

Faried and Nurkic come cheap and are locked into contracts. Opens things up for summer free agency and gives us a quicker team and a big who runs the floor hard and fits better with Dragić going forward. I also feel in 2 years Nurkic will be very good and his stock is at the low point coming off the bench in Denver and an injury that sidelined him... perfect time to grab him.

Dragić, Bosh, Faried and Nurkic combine for $54M next year, we'd be actual players in free agency without giving up any of the youth Whiteside and Winslow give us now.

WaDe03
01-21-2016, 11:34 PM
For those that haven't heard yet, Dragic Whiteside Birdman out. Wade Udrih Deng Green MCINJURED questionable.

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 12:07 AM
After Whiteside thrashed them... I wonder if Denver would entertain this trade idea:

Faried + Nurkic for Whiteside, Winslow, McRoberts and Andersen + 2nd round pick (from Chalmers trade)


That's a god awful trade for us

archdevil84
01-22-2016, 09:27 AM
hahaha mcroberst questionable for tomorrow. yeah right. my *** he's gonna be out for 10 more games atleast

Slug3
01-22-2016, 10:20 AM
hahaha mcroberst questionable for tomorrow. yeah right. my *** he's gonna be out for 10 more games atleast

Pretty much shows me that with all our injuries we are thinking of rushing him back so he can get injured again.

Slug3
01-22-2016, 10:21 AM
Winslow is not going to make or break our entire defense.

Faried and Nurkic come cheap and are locked into contracts. Opens things up for summer free agency and gives us a quicker team and a big who runs the floor hard and fits better with Dragić going forward. I also feel in 2 years Nurkic will be very good and his stock is at the low point coming off the bench in Denver and an injury that sidelined him... perfect time to grab him.

Dragić, Bosh, Faried and Nurkic combine for $54M next year, we'd be actual players in free agency without giving up any of the youth Whiteside and Winslow give us now.

As crappy as Winslows offense is, he has show he can be able to hang on D. and the fact we already are struggling at the wing position for D this would make us worse. We need to find a scrappy D guy and someone who can shoot the 3. Maybe get a time machine and go back 5 years and get Battier.

WaDe03
01-22-2016, 10:46 AM
Pretty much shows me that with all our injuries we are thinking of rushing him back so he can get injured again.

I wouldn't call this rushing him back. He's been out 20+ games for an injury he was already playing through lol.

WaDe03
01-22-2016, 01:15 PM
Everyone's out were ****ed.

Slug3
01-22-2016, 01:30 PM
Everyone's out were ****ed.

Lets be honest, with a full roster we probably still lose.

SportsFanatic10
01-22-2016, 05:37 PM
This is getting ridiculous just like last season. So for tonight we're left with a lineup of Johnson/Green/Winslow/Bosh/Amare, and only have Richardson to back up the 2 guard spots along with Haslem and Stokes. Not to mention Green is playing through knee tendinitis. Wow, Riley needs to do something soon! We could really use Chalmers more than ever right now, although if he were in a Heat uniform he'd likely be hurt as well at this rate...

Slug3
01-22-2016, 06:54 PM
This is getting ridiculous just like last season. So for tonight we're left with a lineup of Johnson/Green/Winslow/Bosh/Amare, and only have Richardson to back up the 2 guard spots along with Haslem and Stokes. Not to mention Green is playing through knee tendinitis. Wow, Riley needs to do something soon! We could really use Chalmers more than ever right now, although if he were in a Heat uniform he'd likely be hurt as well at this rate...

We could probably use Chalmers and even Cole.

But really, with tonight's lineup I can at least enjoy the game. I know we are going to lose so when we do its easy to accept, but if some weird magic happens and we are in the game it could be fun to watch. But I suspect it will be over at halftime.

WaDe03
01-22-2016, 08:00 PM
Wade may actually play now he's out there warming up. If he plays and we win I'll be happy but if not I'll be pissed he wasted a nights rest to get destroyed. Our guys want to play though which is nice to see other than McInjured.

SportsFanatic10
01-22-2016, 09:02 PM
Wade's in the starting lineup. It's good cuz we need him, but bad because he needs to get over these shoulder injuries with rest or else they'll just keep nagging him and we're very likely to lose this game anyways.

SportsFanatic10
01-22-2016, 09:29 PM
wow as if johnson!

Slug3
01-22-2016, 10:05 PM
I know we could never rely on our offense, but for years we could be able to just plug someone in and the D would work. What system is Spo running now?

lavilevi23
01-22-2016, 10:15 PM
Spo must go

Slug3
01-22-2016, 10:17 PM
Spo must go

Honestly it's probably time. Or at least get someone that understands the meaning of offense.

Slug3
01-22-2016, 10:28 PM
Remember when Tyler Johnson just didn't suck? God he's so bad now.

Slug3
01-22-2016, 10:42 PM
I actually Hope we don't make the playoffs now. I know a lot of you wont like hearing that, but I feel it's the o let way to get any change around this team.

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 10:53 PM
I actually Hope we don't make the playoffs now. I know a lot of you wont like hearing that, but I feel it's the o let way to get any change around this team.


If only we had picks lol

We're so screwed

Slug3
01-22-2016, 10:55 PM
If only we had picks lol

We're so screwed

Screw it. If we lose out on a good piece in FA next year then trade bosh and possibly dragic for picks. Maybe even Wade to a contender and let Winslow chuck up 30 shots a game and see if it helps. Lol

beasted86
01-22-2016, 10:57 PM
Speaking of Winslow defense earlier... He's getting cooked tonight by DeRozan.

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 11:02 PM
If only we had picks lol

We're so screwed

Screw it. If we lose out on a good piece in FA next year then trade bosh and possibly dragic for picks. Maybe even Wade to a contender and let Winslow chuck up 30 shots a game and see if it helps. Lol


Might as well doing that right now

We're not getting Durant

Beal or derozan still don't make us a championship contender

Slug3
01-22-2016, 11:05 PM
So maybe by the weekend we will be out of the playoffs. I think once we fall out we are not making it back in. I don't care how healthy we get. We seriously are just not a good team.

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 11:07 PM
Is our 2016 pick unprotected? Lol

Slug3
01-22-2016, 11:19 PM
Is our 2016 pick unprotected? Lol

I think it's too 10 again and the. The following year it's unprotected.

Slug3
01-22-2016, 11:28 PM
So our last 4 games we have not been able to even crack 90 points.

Dade County
01-23-2016, 02:33 AM
It'a about the time Pat.

archdevil84
01-23-2016, 07:21 AM
this team right now is straight up thrash. 4 straight games under 90 points? Fire fcking spo already or make a trade happen. hire a new medical coaching staff for all i care but something needs to be done and it needs to be done NOW

beasted86
01-23-2016, 08:05 AM
Nice to see Wade score 22, but the problem is he did it on 20 shots. He needs to get to the FT line more and also hit his free throws.

Green needs to be benched. This is seriously Henry Walker part 2 now, except he's even more trigger happy.

beasted86
01-23-2016, 08:11 AM
And for the first time ever I'm agreeing on the Spo call outs. He might need to go now.

He talked so much about speeding up the tempo and ball movement but its gone now. There is a good reason Dragić was signed to a 5 year contract this past summer and Wade was signed to a 1yr contract this past summer.

If Spo can't figure out how to implement a, system around Dragić and Bosh, with secondary plays to get Wade and Whiteside involved by now, he'll never figure it out. They need to make a change.

WaDe03
01-23-2016, 01:28 PM
Nice to see Wade score 22, but the problem is he did it on 20 shots. He needs to get to the FT line more and also hit his free throws.

Green needs to be benched. This is seriously Henry Walker part 2 now, except he's even more trigger happy.

I agree the free throws were frustrating but they were all over him and Bosh so the fact they still had pretty good games is good to see. Of course the raptors could do that because everyone was out but still. Can't wait to get most of our guys back Monday hopefully. If we can snatch this one from the Bulls who are also struggling I feel good about the nets game on Tuesday.