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RedSoxtober
01-06-2016, 10:09 AM
The "Offseason Wish List" thread became the de facto hot stove thread and it's gotten too long to be of any use. Restarting the discussion here as we count down the final seven weeks to position players returning to Florida...

RedSoxtober
01-06-2016, 10:11 AM
Farrell said that Young, “signed here under the notion that he’s going to get every at-bat against left-handed pitching.” He added that he’ll also get spot starts against righties to stay fresh, because the team wants to take advantage of his extreme pull stroke in Fenway Park.

“He’s well aware of the role when he comes in,” Farrell said. “We also know the way his swing is built, he fits Fenway Park very good with that pull approach. We’re all competitors. I never want to just limit the total number of at-bats a guy can accumulate.”

The natural followup is if Young plays against every lefty, who will sit — Jackie Bradley Jr. or Rusney Castillo (it typically won’t be Mookie Betts)? It sounds like Bradley, who hit over .300 against left-handed pitching last year, will be the odd man out on most days, but not all of them.

“To sit here in early January and say that every left-hander, Jackie’s not going to play, I wouldn’t go that far, because there might be some things that crop up, a day for Rusney, a day for Mookie might be advantageous, so we’ll take the best matchups and keep everybody involved,” Farrell said.

...

As for Ramirez, Farrell acknowledged that he won’t be a “seven-day-a-week” player at first base, with Travis Shaw getting some starts while Ramirez transitions to a new position.

...

Farrell added that Sandoval has been two-a-day workouts for about a month, with baseball activities in the morning and strength and conditioning in the afternoon. Farrell spoke to Sandoval on Tuesday and says they’ve remained in contact about every 10 days during the winter. He senses a driven player.

“It was a humbling experience from him last year, and he’s bound and determined to make good on that,” Farrell said.Farrell on weei.com

Station 13
01-06-2016, 10:54 AM
Alex Gordon set to re-sign with the Royals.

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RedSoxtober
01-06-2016, 12:57 PM
I'm kinda glad TBH. I've always been a fan of guys who play out their careers with one team. I guess that's what I get for being old.

AI
01-06-2016, 03:10 PM
4/$72M is a very good deal for for the Royals.

Station 13
01-07-2016, 12:54 AM
There didn't seem to be much of a market for him. But good for KC getting him back.

bagwell368
01-07-2016, 10:15 AM
I wanted him bad about 4 years ago. He's going to fade in those last two years, but who doesn't it seems like. One of those good solid players you like to have.

Station 13
01-07-2016, 11:42 AM
Lee Bruce ‏@lbbruce33
If Hanley's first base defense is anything like his left field defense, what will the Sox do with him?

Mastrodonato : Release him. What other options would they have?

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2015/12/red_sox_mailbag_will_christian_vazquez_or_blake_sw ihart

RedSoxtober
01-08-2016, 10:24 AM
Right-hander Ryan Cook has agreed to a one-year contract with the Seattle Mariners, who added another arm to their overhauled bullpen.

Cook's deal, which is not guaranteed, calls for a $1.1 million salary while in the majors and $300,000 while in the minors. He can earn another $300,000 in performance bonuses for games pitched in the majors: $50,000 each for 40 and 50, and $100,000 apiece for 60 and 70.

Cook was an All-Star in 2012 with Oakland when he went 6-2 with a 2.09 ERA in 71 appearances. It was the start of a strong three-year stretch for Cook when he was an integral part of Oakland's bullpen.

But the 29-year-old fell off in 2015 splitting his time with Oakland and Boston. He made nine relief appearances between the two clubs and had an 18.69 ERA and spent most of the season at Triple-A.

Seattle general manager Jerry Dipoto says the addition of Cook enhances the Mariners' bullpen depth.Boston Herald

Dipoto must have liked something that he saw.

GrkGawdofWalkz
01-08-2016, 10:51 AM
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2015/12/red_sox_mailbag_will_christian_vazquez_or_blake_sw ihart

That makes sense, he has negative value at this point outside of modest power. He's basically a bigger name version of Pedro Alvarez. He has a better hit tool potentially, but at the same time he's a DH.

ruckus16969
01-08-2016, 01:03 PM
I wonder if the Nats would be interested in a JBJ/Gio Gonzalez swap. Or even better Castillo/Gonzalez

Norieaga
01-08-2016, 02:38 PM
I'd love that trade if it meant signing Upton on a one-year deal with higher AAV (he's reportedly interested in this).

EDIT: Castillo for Gonzalez, that is.

AI
01-09-2016, 12:09 AM
Nats traded Storen for Revere, so, they don't need an OF anymore. :(

Fla.SticKy
01-09-2016, 11:55 AM
Do you guys think D.D is done with making major moves? In my opinion I still think he has something up his sleeve, he's been pretty much for the most part a go big or go home type of guy (I know Price was huge), but I just feel there's more to come. I really hope if he goes for a bat it's Upton, and if it's another arm we swing a deal with Cleveland. Or do you guys think he's pretty much done for the most part?

RedSoxtober
01-11-2016, 10:36 AM
Done. Just as strong as his "go big or go home" approach are two other traits. First, he's a straight shooter. When he said that he was done with "major moves" after the Winter Meetings we should assume that's true. Second, his MO for the offseason has been to strike his deals early which he did with Kimbrel and Price. I would assume that he is done.

Done, at least, with things that he intends to initiate. This might seem a lame cop-out but DD is also a listener. He'll entertain calls and consider whether or not he can make the team better through them. I doubt much happens.

If I'm right then Upton isn't coming. Neither is Davis (thank goodness). DD is done with the deals he initiates as these would require.

ruckus16969
01-11-2016, 11:02 AM
I think he is done. But I expect him to do something big at the trade dead line.

I mean I'd love to add more quality players to this team. And I think Davis or Upton would be perfect fits this team. Equally I think that moving Pablo would be huge. Addition by subtraction.

I like our rotation. Everyone should have better years than last (well I hope anyways) with this BP they only have to keep us in it for 5 innings really. And our depth is pretty good for when guys get hurt. I can see EROD being that #2 that everyone wants us to add.

Station 13
01-11-2016, 12:32 PM
Bard sign minor league contract with Pirates. I hope he can get back on track. Hard to believe it will 7 year ago he made his MLB debut as of this upcoming season.

ruckus16969
01-11-2016, 01:43 PM
I would have loved to see him blossom into a star.

ruckus16969
01-12-2016, 04:41 PM
I know this is highly unlikely but with Parra headed to Coos field I would absolutely love to send Owens to CO as part of a deal for Dickerson. Dude would be amazing here.

Of course JBJ or Rusney would have to be traded. But that wouldn't be such a bad thing.

RedSoxtober
01-14-2016, 10:26 AM
This afternoon the Red Sox added eight more names to their list of 14 total non-roster invitees for spring training next month.

The eight added today are infielders Josh Rutledge and Sam Travis, outfielders Brennan Boesch and Allen Craig, catcher Sandy Leon and pitchers Roman Mendez, Kyle Martin and Danny Rosenbaum.

Travis, 22, is one of the club's fast-rising prospects, hit .344 with 10 doubles in 23 Arizona Fall League games last year.

The eight players join infielder Chris Dominguez, outfielder Ryan LaMarre, catcher Ali Solis and right-handed pitchers William Cuevas, Sean O'Sullivan and Anthony Varvaro, all previously invited by the ballclub.Boston Herald


Is Allen Craig the position-player equivalent of Daniel Bard?

Station 13
01-14-2016, 10:31 AM
That's a good comparison. Both completely lost it.

j-bay
01-14-2016, 05:52 PM
Meant to post this but forgot.
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Buchholz looks like added a little weight. Looks great.

RedSoxtober
01-15-2016, 02:55 PM
Roch Kubatko of MASN reports the Orioles have made an offer to free agent outfielder Yoenis Cespedes.

It's not the first we've heard of the O's being interested in the slugger, but it is the first we've heard of an offer being extended. The Braves and Mets, among others, are also believed to be interested in the 30-year-old. He could have a new home soon with his market starting to percolate.

...

A source tells ESPN's Jerry Crasnick that the Orioles have grown "increasingly frustrated" with Chris Davis' contract demands and "might be close to walking away."

It's certainly not the first time the O's have reportedly been perturbed with negotiations with Davis -- at one point, they were believed to have pulled their seven-year, $154 million offer to Davis off the table. That doesn't seem to have happened, but it sounds as though it could be close to happening. It's no coincidence that the Orioles are reportedly courting free agent Yoenis Cespedes now as well.roto

Only indirectly related to the Sox but, personally, I'm enjoying watching Boras steer clients into oblivion. The more Chris Davises and Stephen Drews that emerge from his portfolio overplaying their FA hands the better.

MG956
01-15-2016, 04:29 PM
Buchholz looks like added a little weight. Looks great.

I remember a few years back I noticed him come into camp flabby & fat, and that got laughed off because how could Buch be fat. Well it had to do with his commitment, which was slim to none.

He looks to be in good shape & in it to win it. I think he is going to put up one of his best seasons this year.

RedSoxtober
01-15-2016, 05:10 PM
Hm, I thought that discussion was about this.

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//BDD_JB_gut_2.14.08_ap.jpg

Which, honestly, I think has a bit to do with camera angels but meh

BoSox47
01-16-2016, 12:56 PM
Doug fister is looking for a two year 22 million dollar deal. Id give it to him if i were the sox.

RedSoxtober
01-18-2016, 10:53 AM
Robbie Ross requested $1.325 million and was offered $1.075 million by the Red Sox when arbitration figures were exchanged Friday.

It's a small discrepancy and one that should be able to be bridged by the two sides. Ross posed a 3.86 ERA and 53/20 K/BB ratio over 60 2/3 innings in 2015 his first year with Boston.
roto

RedSoxtober
01-19-2016, 10:21 AM
The Tigers no longer have a weakness in left field.

Instead, they have a three-time All-Star, a 28-year-old in the midst of his prime and another big bat in the middle of the lineup.

According to a person with knowledge of the situation, the Tigers signed right-handed-hitting left fielder Justin Upton to a six-year, $132.75-million contract, pending a physical. The deal includes an opt-out clause after the second year. He’ll have an average annual salary of $22.125 million.Boston Herald

RedSoxtober
01-21-2016, 05:43 PM
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RedSoxtober
01-21-2016, 05:45 PM
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ruckus16969
01-22-2016, 12:50 AM
More I think about the more I like this team. I really think this team is well built. A lil worried about Pablo at 3B but I think Hanley will handle 1B fine.

RedSoxtober
01-22-2016, 10:13 AM
Those in the front office originally figured any other roster moves were unlikely once Price joined the Sox and filled their biggest void, but when Christmas and New Year’s passed and Chris Davis, Justin Upton and Alex Gordon and other elite free agents were still available, the brass went down the list to determine if another big ticket signing made sense.

Davis and Upton signed lucrative six-year contracts with the Baltimore Orioles and Detroit Tigers, respectively, while Gordon re-signed in Kansas City on a four-year pact.

Though interested, the Red Sox never felt there was a deal that made sense for them. They also would’ve had to execute a trade to free up a roster spot.

The idea of trading Hanley Ramirez and signing Davis to play first base wasn’t out of the realm of possibility, a source told the Herald, but the Red Sox believe Ramirez can be just as productive as Davis on the offensive side. While Ramirez has missed 91 games the last two seasons while hitting just .271 with a .771 OPS, he did average 134 games per season while hitting .304 with an .887 OPS over the previous seven seasons.

The Sox certainly respect Davis’ ability as a hitter, but they had concerns over his strikeouts (he’s averaged 187 strikeouts over the last four years) and his inconsistency after he hit just .196 with 26 homers in 2014.

Ramirez’ defense remains a question mark, but the Sox continue to look back on his ability to play shortstop for playoff teams in 2013 and 2014 and rationalize that first base shouldn’t be a problem. While the 29-year-old Davis was signed for six years, the 32-year-old Ramirez has less risk with three years remaining on his contract.

Sox manager John Farrell said yesterday Ramirez has lost weight and is down to 234 pounds with less than a month remaining before he reports to spring training.

Hazen said Ramirez’ shoulder injury that caused him to play in just 105 games last year is now a non-issue and Ramirez will be ready for what is sure to be a grueling spring training with infield instructor Brian Butterfield.Boston Herald

RedSoxtober
01-22-2016, 10:18 AM
More I think about the more I like this team. I really think this team is well built. A lil worried about Pablo at 3B but I think Hanley will handle 1B fine.

Unsurprisingly, Farrell agrees...


“When you look over the last two years, we’ve been strong in one area and not been able to balance it out on the other side of the ball,” Farrell said. “And when you look at a team that’s coming off a 2015 team that was fifth in major league baseball in runs scored, that’s a team that should, I think, even improve on that without additions — and that means that Hanley and Pablo are big contributors in that way. When you combine the arms that Dave’s (Dombrowski, president) been able to bring in, now it’s a team that projects to be very strong in both offense and as well on the mound.”Boston Herald

RedSoxtober
01-22-2016, 12:54 PM
It has been written that Dave Dombrowski’s one winter failure has been that he hasn’t dumped Hanley Ramirez, who has become the Affluenza Kid in Boston. But when John Farrell visited Hanley and witnessed his training and on-field workouts this week, he found that Ramirez has lost at least 15 pounds from his 2015 WWE shape and that he has been sincere in his regiment.

Dombrowski, GM Mike Hazen and Farrell have made it clear to Ramirez that he has to be in shortstop shape. Dombrowski and Hazen believe he can play 100-something games at first; hands were never a problem (he hasn’t made as many as 17 errors since his third big league season), and they don’t want him wandering into the hole and creating one 4-1 play after another, something Carl Yastrzemski could never stop doing after being so aggressive so long in left field. Ramirez can DH when David Ortiz needs a rest.gammonsdaily.com

RedSoxtober
01-25-2016, 10:26 AM
Christian Vazquez was slinging the ball so hard from 150 feet on Tuesday, Brian Johnson believes if there was a radar gun Vazquez might have been clocked at a higher velocity than Johnson, a left-handed pitcher who fires it up in the low-90s.

“He's awesome,” Johnson said.

Vazquez, who underwent Tommy John surgery last spring, was originally nervous he might not make a full recovery in time to compete for a spot on the Sox’ roster in spring training, but those doubts have passed.

“I’m throwing to bases this week,” he said Saturday, speaking at the Red Sox’ Winter Weekend at Foxwoods Casino. “I’m going to be ready 100 percent the day of camp [on Feb. 19].”

...

“The first time I threw a baseball after surgery I didn’t feel pain, nothing,” he said. “I feel great. Thank God. I’m working hard.”

The time off presented Vazquez with an opportunity to focus on other parts of his game. He spent all offseason working on his swing, losing weight and building shoulder strength to the point where he feels like he’s in “the best shape of my life.”

Vazquez will soon throw from a crouched position, perhaps the final test. Then the Red Sox will be forced to make a difficult decision.Boston Herald

Is this the first, official "Best Shape of My Life (TM)" declaration of the year?

Station 13
01-25-2016, 10:34 AM
Panda already gotten that declaration out the way. Sorry Vazquez.

RedSoxtober
01-25-2016, 02:11 PM
^ I think that we (AI and I?) joked about that with him but I'm not sure he actually said it.

bagwell368
01-25-2016, 02:53 PM
What' so difficult about Vazquez being ready as a tough decision?

If he's ready to go, he's the choice for 3/5 starter and the kid can have 2/5 along with extra PA's at DH, 1B, PH. If we somehow get a 3rd catcher that's a back-up elsewhere you can even pull Vazquez in a key offensive spot.

Why deal one and exhaust the other by playing him 130 games/yr? Keep both, by the middle of '17 we should know what we have and if a move is needed. Unless of course they don't believe in the kid and can get a nice return.

Bo Sox Fan
01-25-2016, 05:43 PM
^ Ryan Hanigan is the forgotten man in all this. Might as well have him take most of the reps on the bench (lol) while the kids get regular playing time, one at the majors and one in AAA.

I assume that's what everyone is thinking.

RedSoxtober
01-25-2016, 06:11 PM
Presumably the "tough" side of the equation is the same debate that we've had here: top-5 defense vs top-5 offense at the catcher's spot. It may not be a question in your mind but it might be in others. DD is already on record saying Swihart is the #1 catcher but I'm sure that he can find a way to backpedal any changes onto Farrell's shoulders. And, of course, it's a good way to generate buzz around the Sox on the day after the Pats were eliminated from their back-to-back quest.

As BSF mentions, Hannigan does provide another wrinkle to the question. Not so much a difficulty per se but a question of how to maximize his return (clearly the odd man out long term). That's a very short-term problem though.

RedSoxtober
01-26-2016, 11:51 AM
Heh, looks like we're not the only ones who track/mock this...


We got the first “I’m in the best shape of my life” reference over the weekend, coming from Vazquez. But we can absolutely confirm that this isn’t the usual February hyperbole. Vazquez is undeniably is in better shape than ever, which was confirmed with the presentation of a body 25 pounds lighter than the one we last saw.Boston Herald

AI
01-26-2016, 03:30 PM
Panda supposedly dropped 20-25 lbs, which is cool and all, if he didn't need to drop double that amount.

bagwell368
01-26-2016, 11:36 PM
Hmmmm... I don't like skinny catchers, except for Fisk and he was a giant height wise.

The problems playing an offensive catcher 120 games a year:

1. sooner or later his O will decline due to the injuries (nagging and serious) plus hard work the position requires in almost every case.

2. A catcher that is below average defensively is earning more negative WAR for his team than that stat shows. The dearth of catcher stats have led to a situation where defensive portion of a catchers earned WAR is under represented (it gets more obvious at both at the negative and positive extremes).

Want proof? SS Dwar ratings are far more variable from high to low than catchers, however, a person like Bill James will tell you that catchers are somewhat more valuable than SS's defensively. This is true even if you adjust for innings played.

To put into human terms: I'll take the all around catcher over either of the other types - Bench and Carter always come first to my mind. Failing that, I'll take the defensive player as the guy catching more games and the offensive guy getting PA's there and elsewhere. We are talking potentially 2 guys in the top 10 MLB wide, why must we just decide on one? Let injuries make the final call.

RedSoxtober
01-27-2016, 04:30 PM
Another way of looking at that pairing of skills: In 2015, Betts struck out in just 12.5 percent of plate appearances, the 27th lowest rate among all qualifying hitters in baseball. Of the players with the 30 lowest strikeout rates last year, Betts: 1) Was the youngest; 2) had the highest rate of plate appearances that ended in an extra-base hit (10.4 percent); and 3) featured the third highest average exit velocity (on average, the ball came off Betts’ bat at 91.8 mph, behind only Albert Pujols (10.9 percent strikeout rate, 92.2 mph average exit velocity) and Prince Fielder (12.7 percent strikeout rate, 92.2 mph average exit velocity).
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RedSoxtober
01-27-2016, 04:42 PM
To put into human terms: I'll take the all around catcher over either of the other types - Bench and Carter always come first to my mind. Failing that, I'll take the defensive player as the guy catching more games and the offensive guy getting PA's there and elsewhere. We are talking potentially 2 guys in the top 10 MLB wide, why must we just decide on one? Let injuries make the final call.

I think that the issue is that they have THREE starting catchers (Hanigan, Swihart, Vazquez) rather than two. It's a short-term "tough" decision. As for the rest, I personally lean on the side of picking the defensive guy over the offensive guy... unless you're dealing with a guy like Mauer. With the two that we're looking at, there are enough questions on the weaknesses on the other side (Vazquez's offense and Swihart's defense) that picking now would be foolish.

Station 13
01-27-2016, 06:46 PM
Betts is pretty special. He had 8 weeks of extremely bad luck, during that stretch on exit velocity of 100MPH+, he only got a .333 BA in those instances, the league BA on 100MPH exit was .650

This upcoming season is big for him.

bagwell368
01-29-2016, 03:10 PM
I think that the issue is that they have THREE starting catchers (Hanigan, Swihart, Vazquez) rather than two. It's a short-term "tough" decision. As for the rest, I personally lean on the side of picking the defensive guy over the offensive guy... unless you're dealing with a guy like Mauer. With the two that we're looking at, there are enough questions on the weaknesses on the other side (Vazquez's offense and Swihart's defense) that picking now would be foolish.

I don't see a problem. There is a shot that Vazquez won't be ready out of the gate, fine Hanigan sticks for a bit. If both kids ready deal Hanigan, lots of teams need catchers of his relative quality, an injury or two would make him fairly desirable for a short term solution elsewhere.

celticsman2009
01-30-2016, 01:02 PM
MLB Pipeline released their top 100 prospects.

Red Sox

#7- Yoan Moncada (#1 2B)
#17- Rafael Devers (#2 3B)
#25- Andrew Benintendi(#5 OF)
#39- Anderson Espinoza (#10 RHP)

Not in Top 100

Sam Travis(#10 1B)


Margot was #45 and Guerra was 58

celticsman2009
02-03-2016, 10:43 AM
I just want the season to start!!

RedSoxtober
02-04-2016, 10:34 AM
The throwing program wasn’t the only change. After meeting with Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski before heading to Texas for the offseason, Buchholz received some guidelines in terms the organization’s expectations/suggestions.

“I sat down and talked to Dave before the season was over. It’s pretty much black and white what he was talking about,” Buchholz said. “When I sat down and talked to Dave it was more so of knowing what I had to do going into the offseason, taking the right amount of time off, being pretty strict on the workouts five days a week, and that’s what I did. I feel like I got stronger in a couple of different ways that I wasn’t the last couple of years. It was a good offseason for me. The one thing that was different this year is that I focused more on legs this year than I have the last four or five years. I feel like everything comes from the ground up. If my legs are in shape I don’t have to worry about my legs giving out in the first couple of bullpen. I just have to worry about arm strength, and that’s a good thing.”
Aside from the assurance that Buchholz is going to throw 200 innings this year (cough, cough), what I really like here is the recurring theme of DD setting clear offseason expectations for the players.

bagwell368
02-05-2016, 07:28 AM
Yeah DD is a pro and he's confident leader. Good stuff.

But Buchholz's comments got to me. Any pitcher that gets past teenager years knows that the legs are the base of everything - stamina, longevity, consistent mechanics. He's what - 31? and he's just getting it now?

I was all over him back in the day for being a rail, that he wouldn't hold up. You want your pitchers if possible to be built like Clemens, Lackey, Lester, and Schilling. Buchholz was never going to be that, but since he got here he could have added 20 lbs of muscle, maybe with DD around the whole time he would have.

To quote Crash Davis "You got a gift. When you were a baby, the Gods reached down and turned your right arm into a thunderbolt. You got a Hall-of-Fame arm, but you're pissing it away."

I'm afraid in the case of Clay, we are close to the past tense on that line.

j-bay
02-12-2016, 07:58 PM
Holy **** look at Panda

https://mobile.twitter.com/KFP48/status/698234486442565632

papipapsmanny
02-13-2016, 02:43 PM
Hope Buchholz can put it all together even just one year. I have always thought he had better pure stuff then Lester, but Lester mastered the art of command and being durable. Not so say Lester's stuff isn't very good, but to me Buchholz's was a little better.

Buchholz's command seemed pretty good last year, but again his health came into play. If he can pitch 200 innings and do what he was doing last year, calling him a 5 WAR pitcher wouldn't be far fetched... big if though.

Price-Buchholz-E-Rod-Porcello can be a very good 1-4.

Then you have Kelly, Owens, Wright, Johnson battling for the 5. Feel much better about the rotation this year.


How do you set the lineup?

Betts
Bogaerts
Pedroia
Ortiz
Ramirez
Sandoval
JBJ
Swihart
Castillo

Going to be interesting to see how the lineup plays out

Bo Sox Fan
02-13-2016, 03:35 PM
Lol. Buchholz has had what, 8 kicks at the can to have a full healthy season? Maybe the 9th year is a charm. (Face palm)

I'm ecstatic to see this rotation in 2017 if all we do next winter is sign Strasburg.

RedSoxtober
02-13-2016, 04:53 PM
Clay... ugh. I actually liked the idea offered at one of the media outlets (forget which) -- skip a start per month and hope to avoid the annual DL trip. If you can get 28 starts at a 3.00ERA and still have something for the playoffs that'd be much better than 2.50ERA for 20 starts and then sitting out "until the games mean something."

papipapsmanny
02-13-2016, 06:15 PM
Lol. Buchholz has had what, 8 kicks at the can to have a full healthy season? Maybe the 9th year is a charm. (Face palm)

I'm ecstatic to see this rotation in 2017 if all we do next winter is sign Strasburg.

So what is your solution? Release him?

RedSoxtober
02-15-2016, 10:28 AM
So what is your solution? Release him?

Over the offseason he would have been a good trade candidate since he has reasonable options for this season and next. More than a few around here were suggesting picking up his option and then trading him. Obviously too late for that now. Like the others before him, DD was hooked on the idea of 200IP of his talent. Sadly, he may only get those 200IP over two seasons.

RedSoxtober
02-15-2016, 09:07 PM
Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe reports that the Red Sox have interest in Franklin Morales.

It would be on a minor league contract. Morales held a 3.90 ERA over two-and-a-half seasons for the Red Sox from 2011-13 and put up a 3.18 mark over 67 appearances last season for the Royals. The southpaw has limited left-handed batters to a .210/.288/.326 line in his career.roto

RedSoxtober
02-17-2016, 01:27 PM
The team agreed to terms with 33 year old relief pitcher Carlos Marmol on a minor-league deal with an invitation to major league camp.

The hard-throwing righty (who possesses a plus slider) pitched for Cleveland’s Triple-A team in Columbus in 2015, totaling 28 relief appearances while posting a 2.03 ERA. He also spent this offseason pitching for Licey of the Dominican Winter League, where Marmol allowed three runs on two hits over seven innings walking 12 and striking out four.

Marmol has routinely struggled with his command during his nine-year major league career, averaging 6.2 free passes per nine innings. He has, conversely, also shown a propensity to strike batters out, as is evident in his 11.6 K’s per nine innings rate.

Marmol spent four seasons as the closer for the Cubs, making the All-Star team in 2008. He led the majors with 70 games finished in ’10, notching a career high 38 saves.weei.com

I guess the Sox got tired of Theo and Co signing former Red Sox players (Matt Murton, really?!) and decided to try it the other way around for a change.

papipapsmanny
02-20-2016, 04:22 PM
Wonder if we have approached the Mets at all about a Devers and Brian Johnson for Matz type of deal

We match up well with them in terms of specs. Even a Shaw and Devers deal for Matz would make sense

Way too late to do now but I wonder if there were any discussions

bagwell368
02-21-2016, 09:32 AM
Over the offseason he would have been a good trade candidate since he has reasonable options for this season and next. More than a few around here were suggesting picking up his option and then trading him. Obviously too late for that now. Like the others before him, DD was hooked on the idea of 200IP of his talent. Sadly, he may only get those 200IP over two seasons.

Ach... don't be so negative. I have him for 119 IP this year and 131 next year, that a whole 250 over 2, these days, what else do you want?

RedSoxtober
02-22-2016, 10:07 AM
Ach... don't be so negative. I have him for 119 IP this year and 131 next year, that a whole 250 over 2, these days, what else do you want?

We're on the same page, I just think that I worded it in a way that wasn't obvious. I mean that the only way he reaches 200 innings is cumulative over the next two seasons. If he eclipses 250 or 300 then all the better but he will never hit it in one season.

Alex Speier has been hammering the "rise of the BP" in his recent writing. One of the last things he penned suggested that 180IP is the new 200IP. Unfortunately I think that he's pressing too much from coincidence. The basic points of reference were (a) roughly the same number of pitchers through 180+IP the last season or two as through 200+IP around 2000 and (b) the KCR BP. However, the Royals success did not retroactively influence all the other teams. I think that Theo was correct in observing that each WS winner becomes the new "way to win" for each season.

-Lavigne43-
02-23-2016, 12:02 AM
One of the kids doing a solid job filling in for Buchholz (and earning a starting job for next year) will be a key part of having a successful season. What's frightening is if Kelly gets crushed and we end up having 3/5 of the rotation being young, volatile kids. That's why I really would have liked them to acquire another good SP. Our rotation has 3 unknowns and 1 guy we know will miss half the season.

I've seen the argument that 120 innings of good Clay and ~80 innings of his replacement is more valuable than a Miley. The problem with this is that the bulk of Clay's innings occur during the first couple months of the season. He is gone when the rest of the staff is worn down and the young SP may be running into a wall from fatigue and possible innings limits. It ignores the potential problem of having other SP's go down or underperform and being forced to use multiple replacement pitchers. It takes an optimistic view of the replacement SP and underestimates the effect on wearing down the bullpen. You need a number 2 that you can rely on and Clay never will be that guy. Our best teams minimized Clays importance to the teams success and I worry that this team is relying too heavily on him performing.

MG956
02-23-2016, 01:14 PM
I think you guys might be surprised with Clay this year. He's come into camp in the best shape I've ever seen him. He almost looks like a real pitcher instead of some junkie.

JMF
02-23-2016, 10:17 PM
That's a wonderful thought, and the idea of Buchholz not Buchholz'ing his way through this season would be fantastic and I would love nothing more. But he is is/was fragile and just doesn't seem to be willing or able to perform he is absolutely 100%, which he never is.

RedSoxtober
02-26-2016, 03:41 PM
The Chicago Cubs have signed veteran outfielder Shane Victorino to a minor league contract.

The Cubs announced the deal Friday. The 35-year-old Victorino will compete for one of Chicago's final roster spots.

Victorino will join an outfield that already includes Jason Heyward, Dexter Fowler, Kyle Schwarber and Jorge Soler. The Cubs reached the NL Championship Series last year.

Victorino helped Philadelphia win the 2008 World Series and starred when Boston won the 2013 championship. Injuries have limited his time in recent seasons and he hit only .230 in 71 games for Boston and the Los Angeles Angels last season.Boston Herald/AP

Hahaha, I know that I'm beating a dead horse but it just kills me how many former-Sox Epstein signs, even in "the twilight of [their] career."

bagwell368
02-26-2016, 09:28 PM
Boston Herald/AP

Hahaha, I know that I'm beating a dead horse but it just kills me how many former-Sox Epstein signs, even in "the twilight of [their] career."

Sure it's like BB adding some guy with nothing left who has a good/great work ethic or some other things to pass on. Nobody that saw him in his prime, or his first year here can discount that he's got something to give, even if only diving for balls, showing young guys how it's done or getting his 11 PA's before he's hurt or cut.

RedSoxtober
02-29-2016, 11:30 AM
Sure it's like BB adding some guy with nothing left who has a good/great work ethic or some other things to pass on. Nobody that saw him in his prime, or his first year here can discount that he's got something to give, even if only diving for balls, showing young guys how it's done or getting his 11 PA's before he's hurt or cut.

Perhaps, but I'm looking at the volume of guys who have gone from BOS to CHC since Theo went over there. I've noted this for quite a while and think that it has (had?) a lot to do with his reliance upon Carmine's ability to "discover" talent or upside. The names on the list are, like SV at this point, generally not more than depth and organizational filler:

Ryan Rowland-Smith (via minors)
Anthony Rizzo (admittedly, a no-brainer)
Michael Bowden
Justin Germano
Miguel Socolovich
Sandy Rosario
Darnell McDonald
Brent Lillibridge
Ryan Sweeney
Daniel Bard
George Kottaras
Tommy Hottovoy
Ryan Kalish
Lars Anderson
Manny Ramirez
Felix Doubront
Jonathan Herrera
David Ross
Ryan Lavarnway
Jon Lester
Ryan Dent
Hunter Cervenka
Drake Britton
Anthony Varvaro (returned due to injury)
Quintin Berry
Ryan Cook
John Lackey
Kristopher Negron
Tim Federowicz
Shane Victorino

I've probably missed a few since some of the minor league names are no longer fresh in my mind (and it's a mind-numbing exercise to scroll through the transactions). Whether it's Carmine's kids or Theo's kids, the list suggests something more than happenstance.

RedSoxtober
02-29-2016, 04:30 PM
The Red Sox made David Murphy the first draft pick of the Theo Epstein Era in 2003. Now he’s coming back where it all started.

ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick reported on Monday that the Red Sox have agreed to a minor league deal with the left-handed hitting outfielder.

Murphy, 34, has carved out a 10-year career for himself since debuting with the Red Sox in 2006. The No. 17 overall pick in the 2003 draft out of Baylor, Murphy was shipped to the Rangers in the ill-fated 2007 deal for closer Eric Gagne.

While Gagne was a disaster with the Red Sox, Murphy became a key contributor to a trio of playoff teams with the Rangers. He hit .277 with a .777 OPS over seven years with the Rangers from 2007-13 before bouncing to Cleveland in 2014 and Anaheim last year.

Lifetime, Murphy is a .274 hitter with 104 home runs. The bulk of his production has come against right-handers, against whom he owns a .795 OPS.weei.com

Bo Sox Fan
02-29-2016, 06:37 PM
What's up with Edro's arm right now? Knowing Buchholz will eventually miss time we cannot afford to lose him to for any length of time.

**** my life if Steven Wright is forced to be our 5th starter. Price, Porcello, Kelly, Owens? Phhhhhh, gross. I knew we should have acquired 2 legitimate starting pitchers this winter instead of 1.

RedSoxtober
03-02-2016, 03:30 PM
Nothing is wrong with E-Rod's arm. He caught a spike on Sat and, in layman's terms, dislocated his knee cap. That bought him 3 days of rest and then getting back up on the mound. As early as it happened in ST it seems unlikely to have any effect by Opening Day.

papipapsmanny
03-05-2016, 03:29 PM
I think we will still be on the same strategy that BC was last year... except we are in much better shape to do it this season.

If we have an injury or the rotation is producing mediocre results and were around .500 around June... we will probably make a trade for a good pitcher.

I believe BC had this in mind last season, but didn't foresee the rotation being that bad, and the team being way behind in the standings in June.

This season we are coming in with an ace and a more developed E-Rod, and the prospects in play all have higher values than last year.

If things star heading down hill and we ant a good established starter.... We have Devers, Johnson, Owens as a starting point.

Also our bullpen is going o mitigate a lot of potential problems that we ran into last year.

RedSoxtober
03-07-2016, 10:32 AM
I could not disagree more about your sense of BC's 2015 strategy. The FO admitted that they did not think their staff was all that great but felt that the additions of HanRam and Panda were enough to get the offense to carry the team to an 87-ish win season. They also calculated that the AL East was bunched enough that 87 wins could carry the division (and were essentially correct in that). I believe that the season was a true "bridge" year for a few reasons: the top of the farm was producing players that could make an impact and the then upcoming FA class boasted an extremely strong SP group that could make a dramatic impact that cost only dollars (vs dollars+players). If they'd been in the thick of the race then they might have made a stronger move to replace Clay, I guess, but I believe the operating strategy was focused on the recently completed offseason.

This season is very different. They've won an offseason SP prize and successfully transformed the BP weakness into a strength. The OF defense, another embarrassment in 2015, could now be the best in the AL. With Ortiz in his swansong and the major moves behind them, they will be far more aggressive during the season... if they need to be. Injury or weak performance from either Porcello or Kelly could very well be plugged from within since Owens and/or Johnson may be ready to perform at a typical #5 level. An injury to Buchholz or prolonged absence by Rodriguez would be dealt with very differently. I strongly doubt that you see Devers moved -- much too long-term an asset to lose for a short-term issue -- but Johnson/Owens could be available for the right return.