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lol, please
12-25-2015, 09:04 PM
Discuss.

Poll added: Pacers, Bulls, Heat, Cavaliers, Raptors, or Hawks?

Gander13SM
12-25-2015, 09:12 PM
I voted the Heat.

But they won't. I just want to fuel the hype train.

DanG
12-25-2015, 09:14 PM
Cavs for sure, but not sure about their opponent. I'm going with Cavs over Bulls in 7.

GiantsSwaGG
12-25-2015, 09:16 PM
Heat

WaDe03
12-25-2015, 09:36 PM
The Heat. We're the best defensive team in the east and once Riley works his magic and gets us a shooter or 2 it will improve our offense and open the driving lanes more for Wade who is already playing awesome and Dragic who is starting to pick it up.

5ass
12-25-2015, 09:57 PM
Cavs. Heat are pretty good but not on the level of SAS, Cavs, or GSW.

Vee-Rex
12-25-2015, 10:10 PM
Cavs lose to a hot record-breaking team on their home floor by single digits and now this thread is made? Lol, please!

Longhornfan1234
12-25-2015, 10:10 PM
Heat aren't going anywhere if they don't fix their 3pt shooting.

WaDe03
12-25-2015, 10:19 PM
Heat aren't going anywhere if they don't fix their 3pt shooting.

You're probably right. 3 point shooting will be what will put us over the hump in the East I think. I also think Riley will get it done.

bucketss
12-25-2015, 10:27 PM
bulls only team with a shot.

2-ONE-5
12-25-2015, 10:43 PM
i feel confident that only heat fans will pick them here. The trade deadline in the east is going to be interesting for the teams chasing the Cavs. The cavs will likely win the East but i think the bulls get it together and make a move at the deadline that helps.

Wade n Fade
12-25-2015, 10:53 PM
Cavs will definitely get calls to help along the way. Unless Miami pulls off a massive roster overhaul this season, it's just a showcase season for 2016 FAs if anything. I chose Miami to win since I am a fan of theirs, but have to be realistic.

JasonJohnHorn
12-25-2015, 11:07 PM
Barring injury or a blockbuster trade, I'd say that Cavs are HEAVY HEAVY favorites in the East.

Blink
12-26-2015, 01:09 AM
Yeah Cavs and it's realay not close.

Excited to watch some of the match ups in the East. Heat/Bulls, Cavs/Anyone

Yanks All Day
12-26-2015, 11:59 AM
If anything, yesterday's game in Golden State only made me more confident that Cleveland is the class of the East. They played Golden State pretty tough, and I don't think they can say anyone had a good game. I mean, as a team they shot 31.6% from the field and 16.7% from 3 and lost by 6 in Oracle Arena, and a lot of those were wide open misses by really good players. Given, the Warriors didn't have a great game either, but those shooting percentages are grounds for a blowout. If you can play Golden State close in Oracle with your bench shooting 7 for 24, you're in pretty good shape.

I don't think anyone in the East takes Cleveland past a Game 6. They're just better than the rest of their conference, and Kyrie Irving is still only being brought along slowly. When he gets going, they're going to roll the East.

Tg11
12-26-2015, 11:59 AM
Cavs like it's no contest

ManningToTyree
12-26-2015, 04:42 PM
Cavs. The Warriors will have a much more difficult path to the finals out west.

KnicksorBust
12-26-2015, 06:16 PM
I would love to make some daring (stupid) prediction like the Magic but realistically it is:

Cavs









Heat
Bulls






Everyone else.

LanceUpperCut
12-26-2015, 10:53 PM
Heat are overrated in here.

5ass
12-26-2015, 11:14 PM
I would love to make some daring (stupid) prediction like the Magic but realistically it is:

Cavs









Heat
Bulls






Everyone else.
That's too much space between the heat/bulls and everyone else.

Bostonjorge
12-26-2015, 11:33 PM
Anyone remember that basketball team in Miami?

FriedTofuz
12-27-2015, 04:42 AM
The Bulls are Washed out, I would put Orlando and Boston above them at this point.

FriedTofuz
12-27-2015, 04:43 AM
The Heat. We're the best defensive team in the east and once Riley works his magic and gets us a shooter or 2 it will improve our offense and open the driving lanes more for Wade who is already playing awesome and Dragic who is starting to pick it up.

With the slowest pace in the NBA. The stats dont tell the story alone. Pace has a lot to do with why the heat are a good defensive team.

prodigy
12-27-2015, 05:44 AM
Cavs will definitely get calls to help along the way. Unless Miami pulls off a massive roster overhaul this season, it's just a showcase season for 2016 FAs if anything. I chose Miami to win since I am a fan of theirs, but have to be realistic.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/free-throws/sort/freeThrowsAttempted/qualified/false

What an ignorant comment to make. Cavs will get the calls? Heat have three players in the top 50 in FT attempts with Bosh, Wade and Whiteside. Also chalmers but he was traded so 3. Cavs have 1. Lebron whos 11th with 7 a game. So ya the refs just love the Cavs. lol

prodigy
12-27-2015, 05:49 AM
If anything, yesterday's game in Golden State only made me more confident that Cleveland is the class of the East. They played Golden State pretty tough, and I don't think they can say anyone had a good game. I mean, as a team they shot 31.6% from the field and 16.7% from 3 and lost by 6 in Oracle Arena, and a lot of those were wide open misses by really good players. Given, the Warriors didn't have a great game either, but those shooting percentages are grounds for a blowout. If you can play Golden State close in Oracle with your bench shooting 7 for 24, you're in pretty good shape.

I don't think anyone in the East takes Cleveland past a Game 6. They're just better than the rest of their conference, and Kyrie Irving is still only being brought along slowly. When he gets going, they're going to roll the East.

This.

I think the east is much improved I love it! The knicks are so much fun to watch again, heat etc... But Unless Lebron retires mid season we gotta be honest. They are elite.

Worn down Cavs just got beat bad by Portland. I'm waiting for the ''Cavs lose in 4 first round'' posts.

KnicksorBust
12-27-2015, 11:46 AM
I would love to make some daring (stupid) prediction like the Magic but realistically it is:

Cavs









Heat
Bulls






Everyone else.
That's too much space between the heat/bulls and everyone else.

I will bite. What teams are worth putting in between Bulls and everyone else?

Pacers don't have the talent. Hawks dont have the wings. Magic are overperforming. Raptors? Wiz are never healthy.

WaDe03
12-27-2015, 01:18 PM
Heat are overrated in here.

Elaborate.

lol, please
01-03-2016, 04:45 PM
Elaborate.

x2. I'd love to hear this as well.

Chronz
01-03-2016, 05:55 PM
x2. I'd love to hear this as well.

I mean, I guess you could argue they have championship mettle, but I view that alot differently when a core loses the MVP of the league. What we do KNOW, is that 7 teams sport the superior SRS and nobody is really separating themselves from the pack while Cleveland is in recovery mode. Their starting lineup isn't blowing anyone out the water either, its merely good. The best hope they have is that Dragic rediscovers his off the ball game and that Whiteside learns how to pass quickly.

WaDe03
01-03-2016, 06:26 PM
I mean, I guess you could argue they have championship mettle, but I view that alot differently when a core loses the MVP of the league. What we do KNOW, is that 7 teams sport the superior SRS and nobody is really separating themselves from the pack while Cleveland is in recovery mode. Their starting lineup isn't blowing anyone out the water either, its merely good. The best hope they have is that Dragic rediscovers his off the ball game and that Whiteside learns how to pass quickly.

The starters were a negative starting out the season but they're a +14 now after digging themselves out of a hole. Seems they've learned how to play together which is give the ball to Wade and Bosh and good things will happen for all of them from there. I expect them to keep getting better as the season goes on as long as we have some sort of continuity. Now that Johnson is back and Winslow is coming back our bench should be a lot better than it has been. No one knows the deal with McRoberts right now though he's missed like the last 12 games for a knee bruise which seems too long.

Chronz
01-03-2016, 06:47 PM
The starters were a negative starting out the season but they're a +14 now after digging themselves out of a hole. Seems they've learned how to play together which is give the ball to Wade and Bosh and good things will happen for all of them from there. I expect them to keep getting better as the season goes on as long as we have some sort of continuity. Now that Johnson is back and Winslow is coming back our bench should be a lot better than it has been. No one knows the deal with McRoberts right now though he's missed like the last 12 games for a knee bruise which seems too long.
Thats all well and good but at this point, its really more of a hunch than anything worthwhile. The problem is you can say this for alot of teams that are learning new systems/acclimating to new teammates. It doesn't matter until the results are displayed and sustained. At this point, a smart gambling man wouldn't favor the Heat much, we'll revisit this later but I disagree with your stance, I feel the team has improved more as Wade has gotten less touches. I dont know why Dragic has suffered so much alongside Wade when hes played alongside ball dominant guards before and even Bron didn't suffer this much. Dragic was suppose to provide everything needed for Wade to revert to form (which is what alot of Heat fans insisted would happen), instead both have regressed. Bosh and Whiteside should be the focus but Wade has to discover some semblance of efficiency.

SteBO
01-03-2016, 10:50 PM
Thats all well and good but at this point, its really more of a hunch than anything worthwhile. The problem is you can say this for alot of teams that are learning new systems/acclimating to new teammates. It doesn't matter until the results are displayed and sustained. At this point, a smart gambling man wouldn't favor the Heat much, we'll revisit this later but I disagree with your stance, I feel the team has improved more as Wade has gotten less touches. I dont know why Dragic has suffered so much alongside Wade when hes played alongside ball dominant guards before and even Bron didn't suffer this much. Dragic was suppose to provide everything needed for Wade to revert to form (which is what alot of Heat fans insisted would happen), instead both have regressed. Bosh and Whiteside should be the focus but Wade has to discover some semblance of efficiency.
'Bron didn't suffer much because Wade took a step back, and it isn't like 'Bron was the PG. He played off the ball quite a bit. Dragic & Wade looked pretty good together last year, but with Bosh coming back and Whiteside falling from the sky it took Goran a while. He's seemed to have found his niche now, and as a result he & Wade have clicked. I agree that what WaDe03 said can be applied to a lot of teams, but I honestly think of all the teams in the east outside of CLE (btw I'm not as big on the Cavs' supporting cast as everyone else), Miami may have the most talent. On top of that, they're currently a top 10 defense that can get better. I've said it from the beginning, Miami really should consider trading for a consistent outside threat from 3, preferably a stretch 4 coming off the bench.

KnickNyKnick
01-04-2016, 01:08 AM
Knicks will. after the trade deadline i will be evident! yeh right... Cavs taking the whole thing this year IMO

FlashBolt
01-04-2016, 12:49 PM
Miami's defense is getting way overrated here. They are far from the best defensive team and they have issues scoring. If D-Wade or Bosh isn't getting points up there, they have to rely on Dragic/Whiteside/Green. All guys who are rather inconsistent offensively. I do think they can get better but we'll see.. it's taking them some time and much longer than it should for that matter. IMO, Cavs are going to take this just because they have LeBron and a much better roster than Miami does overall.

Hawkeye15
01-04-2016, 02:11 PM
The Cavs. LeBron at this stage of his career coasts all regular season long. No team in the east is talented enough to beat a team with him on it, with the help he has (barring injury).

SteBO
01-04-2016, 02:30 PM
Miami's defense is getting way overrated here. They are far from the best defensive team and they have issues scoring. If D-Wade or Bosh isn't getting points up there, they have to rely on Dragic/Whiteside/Green. All guys who are rather inconsistent offensively. I do think they can get better but we'll see.. it's taking them some time and much longer than it should for that matter. IMO, Cavs are going to take this just because they have LeBron and a much better roster than Miami does overall.
As someone who follows the Heat religiously, I think you're wrong. I don't think anyone said Miami's the best defensive team, but they're a top 10 defense for sure. Miami's still got some ways to go, but they're getting to the point where you can rely on their defense and offensively they're getting better despite the pieces not being "ideal" fits. As of now, 7 game series, I'm going Cavs in 6 simply because LBJ is that good, but if he isn't superhuman again they're gonna be in a little trouble in the latter stages of the playoffs. If anything gets overrated around here, it's LeBron's supporting cast for health and reliability reasons. I'm probably in the minority there though.

SteBO
01-04-2016, 02:36 PM
For the record, Miami's offense gonna be up & down so long as Wade is the main focal point. I think the less load gets placed on him, the better it is for the offense.

WaDe03
01-04-2016, 05:10 PM
For the record, Miami's offense gonna be up & down so long as Wade is the main focal point. I think the less load gets placed on him, the better it is for the offense.

That's what they've been doing recently with the offense. Things is Wade can still average the same amount of points or even a little more this way because he's going to be taking higher percentage shots and get more open looks this way. I still go to him in the 4th hands down.

FlashBolt
01-04-2016, 05:49 PM
As someone who follows the Heat religiously, I think you're wrong. I don't think anyone said Miami's the best defensive team, but they're a top 10 defense for sure. Miami's still got some ways to go, but they're getting to the point where you can rely on their defense and offensively they're getting better despite the pieces not being "ideal" fits. As of now, 7 game series, I'm going Cavs in 6 simply because LBJ is that good, but if he isn't superhuman again they're gonna be in a little trouble in the latter stages of the playoffs. If anything gets overrated around here, it's LeBron's supporting cast for health and reliability reasons. I'm probably in the minority there though.

Page 2, Wade03 mentioned that they are the best defensive team in the East. This thread is about the EAST, so yes, he did proclaim them as such. Top ten defense, meh, I either see it some nights or don't. They play in a ridiculously slow pace and at that point, it's tough to tell whether their defense is as good as the numbers we see. Again, I completely agree that they have a long way to go but I'm also tired of people making excuses here. They either are going to be a very good team soon or not. Their offense is really iffy and I don't think anyone can deny that here. If Wade is having a tough night, it's difficult seeing where their offense will come from.

SteBO
01-04-2016, 06:08 PM
Page 2, Wade03 mentioned that they are the best defensive team in the East. This thread is about the EAST, so yes, he did proclaim them as such. Top ten defense, meh, I either see it some nights or don't. They play in a ridiculously slow pace and at that point, it's tough to tell whether their defense is as good as the numbers we see. Again, I completely agree that they have a long way to go but I'm also tired of people making excuses here. They either are going to be a very good team soon or not. Their offense is really iffy and I don't think anyone can deny that here. If Wade is having a tough night, it's difficult seeing where their offense will come from.
Alright, well Miami isn't the best defense in the league, but it has top 5 potential is what I'm trying to get at. We'll see after the All-Star break where they're at, but I should point out that Wade has had games where he isn't himself, but Miami pulled those games out because of defense and big games from Bosh, Dragic, Hassan, and others on occasion through ball movement. Miami's problem this year offensively at times is as you correctly pointed out here, that when Wade is having an off night, their offense comes to a screeching halt. Why? Because either a) Bosh isn't engaged, b) Dragic is a no show, or c) too much one on one play. Now that I think about it, the Cavs run into that same problem at times too. Difference is, they have LeBron and the Heat don't anymore. Therefore, Miami has to always have the ball the moving and keep Wade off the ball and allow him to pick his spots. Miami really should run its offense more through Dragic and Bosh, with Wade off the ball slashing inside or coming off back screens for his mid-range game. I've seen more of this recently, so it's a matter of consistency.

Cavs are and should be the favorites in the East, but I think you're greatly overestimating Cleveland's roster overall if you think they're gonna have it easy. I think LBJ's gotta be close to superhuman for them to get out of the east, let alone take down GS or SA.

WaDe03
01-04-2016, 07:07 PM
Page 2, Wade03 mentioned that they are the best defensive team in the East. This thread is about the EAST, so yes, he did proclaim them as such. Top ten defense, meh, I either see it some nights or don't. They play in a ridiculously slow pace and at that point, it's tough to tell whether their defense is as good as the numbers we see. Again, I completely agree that they have a long way to go but I'm also tired of people making excuses here. They either are going to be a very good team soon or not. Their offense is really iffy and I don't think anyone can deny that here. If Wade is having a tough night, it's difficult seeing where their offense will come from.

I definitely think they're the best defensive team although the defense fell of for a few games with key bench players out its got back to the way it was to start the season. I think the whole pace thing is overrated especially whenever you look at DRTG because it goes by 100 possessions regardless of the pace. We're a very good defensive team with potential to get better. I'm not as worried about Wade having an off night now as I was to start the season because Bosh, Dragic, Green, and Johnson have stepped up a ton and Whiteside and Deng are consistently scoring 10-15 a night with an off game here or there. The offense may get better when McRoberts gets back and we have our full bench back together but who the hell knows when that will be or even what is wrong with him but as I've said I like what I'm seeing from Johnson and Bosh. Our 3 point shooting has also gotten better as of late which is our biggest need for this team but I still believe another shooter wouldn't hurt. I agree with you though, no more excuses from this point on. Guys have came out and said they're comfortable and love the way we're playing now so as long as we stick to the game plan everyone should be happy and effective in their own way.