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valade16
12-22-2015, 12:15 PM
Reading comments in another thread got me thinking, which Portland team do people think was better? The early 90's finals team or the 00 WCFs team?

89-92 Portland:

89-90: 59-23 | 6.48 SRS (3rd) | 110.5 Ortg (9th) | 104.4 Drtg (4th) | L Finals vs. Pistons 1-4
90-91: 63-19 | 8.47 SRS (2nd) | 112.8 Ortg (2nd) | 104.3 Drtg (3rd) | L WCF vs. Lakers 2-4
90-92: 57-25 | 6.94 SRS (2nd) | 111.4 Ortg (7th) | 104.2 Drtg (3rd) | L Finals vs. Bulls 2-4

PG: Terry Porter 17.6 PPG | 7.6 APG | 1.8 SPG | 39.7 3PT% |19.9 PER | .206 WS/48 | .600 TS%
SG: Clyde Drexler 23.3 PPG | 6.7 RPG | 6.2 APG | 1.8 SPG | 22.6 PER | .213 WS/48 | .558 TS%
SF: Jerome Kersey 14.5 PPG | 7.8 RPG | 1.4 SPG | .8 BPG | 15.4 PER | .138 WS/48 | .517 TS%
PF: Buck Williams 12.2 PPG | 9.3 RPG | .5 BPG | 58.1 FG% | 14.6 PER | .160 WS/48 | .626 TS%
C: Kevin Duckworth 14.2 PPG | 6.3 RPG | 29.4 MPG | 12.2 PER | .082 WS/48 | .515 TS%
6th: Clifford Robinson 11.1 PPG | 4.4 RPG | .9 SPG | 1.0 BPG | 22.9 MPG | 12.8 PER | .485 TS%

All-NBA: Clyde Drexler (x3)
All-Def.: Buck Williams (x3)
All-Stars: Clyde Drexler (x3) | Terry Porter (x2) | Kevin Duckworth (x2)

The 80's Blazers were a perennial 1st Rd exit until a combination of 2 key moves propelled them to the upper echelon of the Western Conference. The first was the trade for Nets All-Star Buck Williams and the second was drafting Clifford Robinson in the 2nd round.


98-00 Portland:

98-99: 35-15 | 5.67 SRS (2nd) | 104.8 Ortg (8th) | 97.7 Drtg (6th) | L WCF vs. Spurs 0-4
99-00: 59-23 | 6.36 SRS (2nd) | 107.9 Ortg (3rd) | 100.8 Drtg (5th) | L WCF vs. Lakers 3-4

PG: Damon Stoudamire 12.5 PPG | 5.6 APG | 1.0 SPG | 15.2 PER | .115 WS/48 | .489 TS%
SG: Steve Smith 14.9 PPG | 3.8 RPG | 39.8 3PT% | 17.3 PER | .186 WS/48 | .584 TS%
SF: Scottie Pippen 12.5 PPG | 6.3 RPG | 5.0 APG | 1.4 SPG | 16.4 PER | .137 WS/48 | .533 TS%
PF: Rasheed Wallace 15.0 PPG | 6.2 RPG | 1 SPG | 1.2 BPG | 17.6 PER | .160 WS/48 | .559 TS%
C: Arvydas Sabonis 11.9 PPG | 7.8 RPG | 26.2 MPG | 20.4 PER | .205 WS/48 | .558 TS%
6th: Brian Grant 9.1 PPG | 7.3 RPG | 25.6 MPG | 15.6 PER | .159 WS/48 | .557 TS%

All-NBA: None
All-Def.: Scottie Pippen (x2)
All-Star: Rasheed Wallace (x1)

Where as the early 90's Blazers team was primarily home drafted talent the 00 Blazers were a collection of players from other teams. Damon via trade from Toronto, Steve Smith via trade with Atlanta, Pippen via trade with Houston, and 'Sheed via trade with Washington. They also added Brian Grant as a FA and Sabonis finally made his long awaited debut in the NBA in 96.


Which team do you think was better and why?

ewing
12-22-2015, 12:25 PM
good thread i will reserve judgement until i see what others say. My gut think the 98-00 team but they were really star ladden from 89-92. I will say that the 98-00 was crazy deep. In additional to the guys you mentioned they had Greg Anthony during the tiny window before he got hurt where he was an elite defender and could hit a jump shot, the great detlef Schrempf, Bonzi Wells, hell Isiah JR Rider even makes an appearance on those teams. Both these teams were incredible talented

valade16
12-22-2015, 12:33 PM
good thread i will reverse judgement until i see what others say. My gut think the 98-00 team but they were really star ladden from 89-92. I will say that the 98-00 was crazy deep. In additional to the guys you mentioned they had Greg Anthony during the tiny window before he got hurt where he was most an elite defender and could hit a jump shot, the great detlef Schrempf, Bonzi Wells, hell Isiah JR Rider even makes an appearance on those teams. Both these teams were incredible talented

Yeah they also had a young Jermaine O'Neal on the bench who was traded for Dale Davis. Conversely, the 90's teams had Danny Ainge and a young Drazen Petrovic on their bench. Both were extremely deep and balanced.

ewing
12-22-2015, 01:30 PM
Yeah they also had a young Jermaine O'Neal on the bench who was traded for Dale Davis. Conversely, the 90's teams had Danny Ainge and a young Drazen Petrovic on their bench. Both were extremely deep and balanced.

yeah JO never really got off the bench in Portland. I always wondered what they thought of him

ewing
12-22-2015, 01:33 PM
Man that 98-00 team could floor some scary defensive lineups.

Anthony
Steve Smith
Pip
Sheed
Grant or Sabonis

- that is brutal

JasonJohnHorn
12-22-2015, 06:24 PM
I voted 80's/90's, but the were both great teams.

They were both deep too, but the Drexler team had guys like Drazen Petrovic and Cliff Robinson as 12th men (granted, they were rookies). And they pulled off 63 wins in 91. That is an extremely impressive season.

KnicksorBust
12-22-2015, 09:31 PM
Lillard
Wes
Batum
Aldridge
Rolo
...

Not serious just can't believe that entire team peaked in 1 year and was dismantled.

valade16
12-23-2015, 12:59 AM
Lillard
Wes
Batum
Aldridge
Rolo
...

Not serious just can't believe that entire team peaked in 1 year and was dismantled.

We are exceedingly good at having only brief periods of 'greatness'.

Our 70's title team last a year and a half, our Drexler team was elite for 3 seasons, our 00 squad was elite for 2, B-Roy's team was good for 2 years and LMA's team was 2 seasons.

There's almost this feeling of inevitability amongst Blazers fans whenever we start to do good, like we know it's about to all go up in flames.

Watching the Blazers blow game 7 of the 2000 WCFs was the first sporting event I've ever cried at.

ewing
12-23-2015, 06:40 AM
We are exceedingly good at having only brief periods of 'greatness'.

Our 70's title team last a year and a half, our Drexler team was elite for 3 seasons, our 00 squad was elite for 2, B-Roy's team was good for 2 years and LMA's team was 2 seasons.

There's almost this feeling of inevitability amongst Blazers fans whenever we start to do good, like we know it's about to all go up in flames.

Watching the Blazers blow game 7 of the 2000 WCFs was the first sporting event I've ever cried at.


IDK what to say about you making a habit of it but that particular game warranted it.

KnicksorBust
12-23-2015, 08:46 AM
My real answer is the 89-92 team. If memory serves those players were in the primes at the time and Drexler has become one of the most underrated players in NBA History. There are probably people on PSD that would vote Klay Thompson over him at this point.

If all players were in the prime... prime Pippen... :drool: ... prime Sabonis... :drool: No contest.

valade16
12-23-2015, 10:36 AM
IDK what to say about you making a habit of it but that particular game warranted it.

:laugh2: Well the only other time was the Oregon-Auburn National Championship game, although that was partly because of the game and partly because of the thousands of dollars I had paid for the tickets to watch my team lose...