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mrblisterdundee
12-14-2015, 12:37 AM
Charles Barkley can be kind of a bonehead at times, but I have to give mad respect to him for taking a stand against Donald Trump's racist fear-mongering (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAOpuWXyDlA), live on TNT no less.
Ernie Johnson and asked him off the cuff during Thursday's "Inside the NBA" segment what he thought of the Trump phenomenon. Barkley was so eloquent and hit directly at the real issue: How sad it is that Americans are emboldening such a demagogue:


"To try to divide and conquer, which is what the Republicans always do, it's just sad. You've got these losers who love that because they are afraid to look in the mirror and say why their lives suck. So they have to blame other people. Your life sucks for a reason — because of you, not because of Hispanics. Do we have to do something about the extremists? Of course we do. but it's been sad to watch every time he insults people and his poll numbers go up."

It should be mentioned Barkley recently switched to the Republican party. But he backs John Kasich, about the most moderate major Republican presidential hopeful.
Barkley also trashed CNN, owned by Time Warner, which employs Barkley as a sportscaster on TNT, for it's pandering to Trump:


"They have been kissing butt, chasing ratings -- they've become like Fox News for the Republicans. They follow every single sound bite just to get ratings for these debates. It is sad and frustrating that our company has sold its soul for ratings."

You have to love the OG announcers willing to say things that make people uncomfortable.

lamzoka
12-14-2015, 01:02 AM
Let's talk about politics on the NBA forum.
**** Donald Trump and his supporters. I don't trust him with the nuclear code. He's a WW3 waiting to happen.

tsubibo
12-14-2015, 01:19 AM
Sir Charles is not known for holding in his criticisms. Lol.

Munkeysuit
12-14-2015, 01:33 AM
I got mad respect for Charles for frlfrl

5ass
12-14-2015, 01:35 AM
I'd rather see Sir Charles become king, than for Trump to be named president.

Gander13SM
12-14-2015, 02:56 AM
I'd rather see Sir Charles become king, than for Trump to be named president.

That would be turrible.

PurpleLynch
12-14-2015, 05:16 AM
**** Trump to death. It's the only responsible thing to do against the likes of him.

Cryskokid
12-14-2015, 05:24 AM
Charles Barkley can be kind of a bonehead at times, but I have to give mad respect to him for taking a stand against Donald Trump's racist fear-mongering (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAOpuWXyDlA), live on TNT no less.
Ernie Johnson and asked him off the cuff during Thursday's "Inside the NBA" segment what he thought of the Trump phenomenon. Barkley was so eloquent and hit directly at the real issue: How sad it is that Americans are emboldening such a demagogue:



It should be mentioned Barkley recently switched to the Republican party. But he backs John Kasich, about the most moderate major Republican presidential hopeful.
Barkley also trashed CNN, owned by Time Warner, which employs Barkley as a sportscaster on TNT, for it's pandering to Trump:



You have to love the OG announcers willing to say things that make people uncomfortable.

Barkley criticizes cnn for chasing rating but that's the very reason why he's employed by tnt. His opinion is worthless. And FYI ISIS has been forging passports for radical islamists and disguising them as Syrian refugees. Maybe trumps view can be seen as extreme but at least he's suggesting something. Unlike the current president who thinks 'common sense' gun control will effectively deter terrorism. Why are we talking politics in a basketball forum?

prodigy
12-14-2015, 05:40 AM
Let's talk about politics on the NBA forum.
**** Donald Trump and his supporters. I don't trust him with the nuclear code. He's a WW3 waiting to happen.

This is what it comes down to for me also. Do I think Trump could do good things? sure. He's a very smart business man. But his attitude and mouth WILL get use into a huge war and it won't even be the current one.

Cryskokid
12-14-2015, 05:54 AM
This is what it comes down to for me also. Do I think Trump could do good things? sure. He's a very smart business man. But his attitude and mouth WILL get use into a huge war and it won't even be the current one.

Doubt that happens. Remember congress must authorize war and those of you who think he's going to sit down for supper with his finger on some nuke button are really disconnected from reality. IMO two 'wars' could happen under his presidency: steps up the war against terrorism by sending troops to the Middle East; or he does what no one before him has the balls to do and cut off the people who unnecessarily feed off the government teet aka welfare causing those people to ***** and moan and march and protest. Love politics in sports forums.

PurpleLynch
12-14-2015, 06:35 AM
Doubt that happens. Remember congress must authorize war and those of you who think he's going to sit down for supper with his finger on some nuke button are really disconnected from reality. IMO two 'wars' could happen under his presidency: steps up the war against terrorism by sending troops to the Middle East; or he does what no one before him has the balls to do and cut off the people who unnecessarily feed off the government teet aka welfare causing those people to ***** and moan and march and protest. Love politics in sports forums.

You have little understanding about the welfare state. And I live in Europe,where welfare states are a reality across all the continent.

DarkKnight
12-14-2015, 09:23 AM
Barkley criticizes cnn for chasing rating but that's the very reason why he's employed by tnt. His opinion is worthless. And FYI ISIS has been forging passports for radical islamists and disguising them as Syrian refugees. Maybe trumps view can be seen as extreme but at least he's suggesting something. Unlike the current president who thinks 'common sense' gun control will effectively deter terrorism. Why are we talking politics in a basketball forum?

He still can't say the word terrorist, Obama is becoming in my mind one of the worst presidents of all time ... But again political discussion could go around in circles

Tony_Starks
12-14-2015, 10:36 AM
Props to Barkley for saying his piece. We all know Trump is a clown but the scary thing is there are a lot of people that feel the exact same way he does. They just don't have the clout to be able to say it publicly but when hiding behind the anonymity of a keyboard they express his same pathetic sentiments....

lamzoka
12-14-2015, 11:01 AM
Doubt that happens. Remember congress must authorize war and those of you who think he's going to sit down for supper with his finger on some nuke button are really disconnected from reality. IMO two 'wars' could happen under his presidency: steps up the war against terrorism by sending troops to the Middle East; or he does what no one before him has the balls to do and cut off the people who unnecessarily feed off the government teet aka welfare causing those people to ***** and moan and march and protest. Love politics in sports forums.

hehe... We have a Trump supporter here.

So ISIS have about 30000 followers and Trump decided to declare war on 1.6B Muslims and you think that's ok? Trump will get America even more hated by the rest of the world and our kids will have to live with it if they get that far.

Donald Trump don't give a **** about the American people. He only cares about himself. You can't trust him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HekJtr8hyX4

D-Leethal
12-14-2015, 11:03 AM
Trump makes crazy, over the top, improbable statements to get the juices flowing around certain topics that need to be talked about. So far, he has been right on the money with his stance on issues, even if his original comments were over the top. He has already said that his ban on Muslims wouldn't be a total and permanent ban even if that is what he originally tweeted and said at a rally.

What he should have said is that the immigration system is broken in more ways than one, Islamic terrorists are indeed exploiting its loopholes to cause harm to us in our homeland, call for a travel ban from terrorist hotbeds (NOT based on Religion but based on location, and with exceptions of course) until we fix the problems and are once again confident in the vetting process. I am sure most Republicans will offer up a similar stance as the voters continue to agree with Trump (same thing that happened after Trump got bashed for his initial immigration stance and before the whole party started to side with him on the issue).

It should be a privilege to migrate to the US, not a right, we need to increase scrutiny big time during that process. Obama's own advisors think the refugee program will lead to disaster but Obama puts his agenda before all reasonability.

D-Leethal
12-14-2015, 11:25 AM
hehe... We have a Trump supporter here.

So ISIS have about 30000 followers and Trump decided to declare war on 1.6B Muslims and you think that's ok? Trump will get America even more hated by the rest of the world and our kids will have to live with it if they get that far.

Donald Trump don't give a **** about the American people. He only cares about himself. You can't trust him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HekJtr8hyX4

Trump didn't declare war with 1.6B Muslims - the Liberal media said he did. He said the problem is coming from within the Muslim community and we need to get to the root of the problem. Until then, we should close the floodgates and make ourselves less vulnerable to another attack exploiting the immigration system. His brash remarks are not presidential, they are not always realistic when microanalyzed, but the crux of his arguments are not illogical.

And 30,000 followers? Are you freakin' kidding me? They have more FIGHTERS than that, let alone supporters or followers.


The Islamic State (Isis) has recruited an army hundreds of thousands strong, far larger than previous estimates by the CIA, according to a senior Kurdish leader. He said the ability of Isis to attack on many widely separated fronts in Iraq and Syria at the same time shows that the number of militant fighters is at least 200,000, seven or eight times bigger than foreign in intelligence estimates of up to 31,500 men.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-with-isis-islamic-militants-have-army-of-200000-claims-kurdish-leader-9863418.html


An analysis of four polls surveying Arab public opinion towards the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) reveals that the group has a bare minimum of 8.5 million strong supporters and that's a conservative estimate. If you include those who feel somewhat positively towards the Islamic State, the number rises to at least 42 million.

The estimate is based on a March 2015 poll by the Iraq-based Independent Institute for Administration and Civil Society Studies; a November 2014 poll by Zogby Research Services; another November 2014 poll by the Doha-based Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies and an October 2014 poll by the Fikra Forum commissioned by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

^^^And that is just in the Arab states.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/isis-has-least-42-million-supporters-arab-world

The liberal media will suggest the problem is contained, its not that widespread yada yada yada. It's all BS, Obama wants his legacy to be anti-war and he is just waiting to hand off the problem to the next president to deal with. There are polls out there that suggest anywhere between 5-20% of the Muslim community is sympathetic towards Extremists and their mission against the West.

ISIS is just one animal (albeit the largest) amongst dozens of factions within that religion whose mission is to terrorize the West. Trump's approach might be the antithesis of Obama's (don't ever utter the words "Muslim", close your eyes and hope the problem goes away), the solution he suggested doesn't make any sense (he's already backtracked) but he did what he needed to do to take the sugarcoating and political correctedness away from the problem and get us talking about it for real.

Hawkeye15
12-14-2015, 01:26 PM
Trump makes crazy, over the top, improbable statements to get the juices flowing around certain topics that need to be talked about. So far, he has been right on the money with his stance on issues, even if his original comments were over the top. He has already said that his ban on Muslims wouldn't be a total and permanent ban even if that is what he originally tweeted and said at a rally.

What he should have said is that the immigration system is broken in more ways than one, Islamic terrorists are indeed exploiting its loopholes to cause harm to us in our homeland, call for a travel ban from terrorist hotbeds (NOT based on Religion but based on location, and with exceptions of course) until we fix the problems and are once again confident in the vetting process. I am sure most Republicans will offer up a similar stance as the voters continue to agree with Trump (same thing that happened after Trump got bashed for his initial immigration stance and before the whole party started to side with him on the issue).

It should be a privilege to migrate to the US, not a right, we need to increase scrutiny big time during that process. Obama's own advisors think the refugee program will lead to disaster but Obama puts his agenda before all reasonability.

very true.

5ass
12-14-2015, 03:50 PM
Trump didn't declare war with 1.6B Muslims - the Liberal media said he did. He said the problem is coming from within the Muslim community and we need to get to the root of the problem. Until then, we should close the floodgates and make ourselves less vulnerable to another attack exploiting the immigration system. His brash remarks are not presidential, they are not always realistic when microanalyzed, but the crux of his arguments are not illogical.

And 30,000 followers? Are you freakin' kidding me? They have more FIGHTERS than that, let alone supporters or followers.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-with-isis-islamic-militants-have-army-of-200000-claims-kurdish-leader-9863418.html



^^^And that is just in the Arab states.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/isis-has-least-42-million-supporters-arab-world

The liberal media will suggest the problem is contained, its not that widespread yada yada yada. It's all BS, Obama wants his legacy to be anti-war and he is just waiting to hand off the problem to the next president to deal with. There are polls out there that suggest anywhere between 5-20% of the Muslim community is sympathetic towards Extremists and their mission against the West.

ISIS is just one animal (albeit the largest) amongst dozens of factions within that religion whose mission is to terrorize the West. Trump's approach might be the antithesis of Obama's (don't ever utter the words "Muslim", close your eyes and hope the problem goes away), the solution he suggested doesn't make any sense (he's already backtracked) but he did what he needed to do to take the sugarcoating and political correctedness away from the problem and get us talking about it for real.
First of all the claim of 200,000 fighters was coming from a Kurdish leader who is trying to sell it to the western media to increase military support for the Kurds. Second, what kind of poll estimates that between 5-20% of Muslims support extremists? There's a huge difference between 5%-20%. And anyway, they're misinterpreting and exaggerating data. What the polls asked is if they support the US-led coalition bombing campaign. Which, for some Arabs, is like trying to choose the lesser of two evils. Yes, some Arabs hate the US, its only natural after the US' intervention in Iraq and its constant support for Israel. Or maybe they're just opposed to the method of destroying ISIS. Bombing ISIS also means destroying what's left of Iraq and Syria's infrastructure. Maybe they feel bombing them is just not very effective, and they have to be engaged on the ground.

Did you know the largest religious community dying at the hands of ISIS are in fact Muslims? The truth is in order to solve this problem the US cannot isolate all Muslims. They have to support the more moderate ones. Let's not forget, moderate Muslims wouldn't even have this issue if it wasn't for US intervention in Iraq. Americans need to remember that it was their government that created al-Qaeda as well. Obama got it right, the solution is to support moderate Muslims. That's by far the best solution.

Saddletramp
12-14-2015, 05:20 PM
First of all the claim of 200,000 fighters was coming from a Kurdish leader who is trying to sell it to the western media to increase military support for the Kurds. Second, what kind of poll estimates that between 5-20% of Muslims support extremists? There's a huge difference between 5%-20%. And anyway, they're misinterpreting and exaggerating data. What the polls asked is if they support the US-led coalition bombing campaign. Which, for some Arabs, is like trying to choose the lesser of two evils. Yes, some Arabs hate the US, its only natural after the US' intervention in Iraq and its constant support for Israel. Or maybe they're just opposed to the method of destroying ISIS. Bombing ISIS also means destroying what's left of Iraq and Syria's infrastructure. Maybe they feel bombing them is just not very effective, and they have to be engaged on the ground.

Did you know the largest religious community dying at the hands of ISIS are in fact Muslims? The truth is in order to solve this problem the US cannot isolate all Muslims. They have to support the more moderate ones. Let's not forget, moderate Muslims wouldn't even have this issue if it wasn't for US intervention in Iraq. Americans need to remember that it was their government that created al-Qaeda as well. Obama got it right, the solution is to support moderate Muslims. That's by far the best solution.

If they were thinking about seeing your point, you lost them when you said Obama got something right. You gotta play the political game and not admitting that your point is also Obama's is Rule #1.


People do know Trump is the phoniest candidate of all time, right? I don't even think that he knows what he believes anymore because he's flipped-flopped more than the last whore in Topeka. Anyone who takes his word at face value is an absolute moron. Also,he can't lawfully do some of his main talking points but these right winged tea party mouth breathers take him at his word.


I heard he might run as an Independent and be this generation's Ross Perot. ****in' A, man. What'll be great is when he realizes that he can't win as the Ultra Far Right candidate and flips again to draw in the middle ground people when Hillary and Cruz stand too far apart in their views.

ATX
12-14-2015, 05:33 PM
F trump! This is about all the energy I can muster for a post involving the worlds biggest douche. He doesn't deserve my time, or anybodies for that matter...Except perhaps and regretfully for the Bible beating, hyper evangelical, closet racists, the world is flat, global warming is a myth, science is the devil, uncultured, uneducated, arm babies with guns, kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out types of people. Good for Chuck!

5ass
12-14-2015, 05:39 PM
If they were thinking about seeing your point, you lost them when you said Obama got something right. You gotta play the political game and not admitting that your point is also Obama's is Rule #1.


People do know Trump is the phoniest candidate of all time, right? I don't even think that he knows what he believes anymore because he's flipped-flopped more than the last whore in Topeka. Anyone who takes his word at face value is an absolute moron. Also,he can't lawfully do some of his main talking points but these right winged tea party mouth breathers take him at his word.


I heard he might run as an Independent and be this generation's Ross Perot. ****in' A, man. What'll be great is when he realizes that he can't win as the Ultra Far Right candidate and flips again to draw in the middle ground people when Hillary and Cruz stand too far apart in their views.

I don't care for Obama, but in this case I think he got it right. I've been saying that's what needs to be done even before Obama mentioned it, and so did a lot of people that have a good understanding of the middle east. At least I'm not criticizing the plan without offering another reasonable solution. If people are going to object to that, let's hear a better solution.

xbrackattackx
12-14-2015, 05:45 PM
The only Trump supporters are closet racist,bigots or ignorant sheep following friends. His views and stands are the worst. We took our land from the native Americans, now he wants to put a wall up and not accept people seeking freedom. He is using religion to play fear on Americans implanting that all "Muslims" are bad. He doesn't point out these are radicals. Just like radical Christians have killed innocent people over the years. It's all a trick and pony show. And the knuckledraggers are supporting a unified idiocy.

basch152
12-14-2015, 08:26 PM
Lol, someone said trump hit the nail on the head on every issue? Not even remotely close to true.

All trump has done is pander to racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic christian nutjobs.

Fyi, far right christians have had more terrorist attacks on the US than any other group.

effen5
12-14-2015, 08:34 PM
I would love to hear shaqs opinion on this since he is muslim

Hawkeye15
12-14-2015, 08:58 PM
The only Trump supporters are closet racist,bigots or ignorant sheep following friends. His views and stands are the worst. We took our land from the native Americans, now he wants to put a wall up and not accept people seeking freedom. He is using religion to play fear on Americans implanting that all "Muslims" are bad. He doesn't point out these are radicals. Just like radical Christians have killed innocent people over the years. It's all a trick and pony show. And the knuckledraggers are supporting a unified idiocy.

the only reason Trump is even relevant, is because there is a large (and growing) group of Americans sick of politicians, their pandering, the entire country turning into a bunch of *******, and the PC movement hitting light speed.

The dude is an idiot. But the country is trying to move so fast in one direction, there are a ton of people saying, "woah, slow down a bit".

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 09:09 PM
hehe... We have a Trump supporter here.

So ISIS have about 30000 followers and Trump decided to declare war on 1.6B Muslims and you think that's ok? Trump will get America even more hated by the rest of the world and our kids will have to live with it if they get that far.

Donald Trump don't give a **** about the American people. He only cares about himself. You can't trust him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HekJtr8hyX4

let me axe you a question.
if you had a bag of candy contain 500 pieces, and you know that only 5 of them are poisoned, would you still feed it to your family?

jerellh528
12-14-2015, 09:10 PM
the only reason Trump is even relevant, is because there is a large (and growing) group of Americans sick of politicians, their pandering, the entire country turning into a bunch of *******, and the PC movement hitting light speed.

The dude is an idiot. But the country is trying to move so fast in one direction, there are a ton of people saying, "woah, slow down a bit".

Yup. But even then, I doubt those people would even vote for him if he got the nomination. It would be kinda like, "heck yeah trumps going to kick out illegals and Muslims and protect our country's morals!" Then if they go down to the polls it would be like, "whoa, let's wait a min, do we really want this psycho as president? Nahhh".. The field of candidates this year on both sides has to be the worst ever assembled. The presidential race is being made a mockery, similar to CA governor back in 03. Trump is honestly a side show right now, nothing more. But it's bringing so much attention to the race that next year we might have some record turnouts. I just don't want people to vote in a wrong direction out of spite.

bucketss
12-14-2015, 09:12 PM
Barkley criticizes cnn for chasing rating but that's the very reason why he's employed by tnt. His opinion is worthless. And FYI ISIS has been forging passports for radical islamists and disguising them as Syrian refugees. Maybe trumps view can be seen as extreme but at least he's suggesting something. Unlike the current president who thinks 'common sense' gun control will effectively deter terrorism. Why are we talking politics in a basketball forum?

why hide them among refugees where the process would be long, and having to go through many background checks and such, when theres much easier ways to go about it like them coming here as international students.

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 09:13 PM
He still can't say the word terrorist, Obama is becoming in my mind one of the worst presidents of all time ... But again political discussion could go around in circles

this be the typical obama voter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 09:16 PM
Charles Barkley can be kind of a bonehead at times, but I have to give mad respect to him for taking a stand against Donald Trump's racist fear-mongering (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAOpuWXyDlA), live on TNT no less.
Ernie Johnson and asked him off the cuff during Thursday's "Inside the NBA" segment what he thought of the Trump phenomenon. Barkley was so eloquent and hit directly at the real issue: How sad it is that Americans are emboldening such a demagogue:



It should be mentioned Barkley recently switched to the Republican party. But he backs John Kasich, about the most moderate major Republican presidential hopeful.
Barkley also trashed CNN, owned by Time Warner, which employs Barkley as a sportscaster on TNT, for it's pandering to Trump:



You have to love the OG announcers willing to say things that make people uncomfortable.

so chuck says that when he lumps all hispanics/muslims together, it's insulting. in his next sentence, he lumps all republicans together. not the sharpest tool in the shed, is he...?

Saddletramp
12-14-2015, 09:20 PM
let me axe you a question.
if you had a bag of candy contain 500 pieces, and you know that only 5 of them are poisoned, would you still feed it to your family?


John Oliver already answered this scenario. Nice try.

http://youtu.be/vQS3LgOd6ug

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 09:21 PM
Barkley criticizes cnn for chasing rating but that's the very reason why he's employed by tnt. His opinion is worthless. And FYI ISIS has been forging passports for radical islamists and disguising them as Syrian refugees. Maybe trumps view can be seen as extreme but at least he's suggesting something. Unlike the current president who thinks 'common sense' gun control will effectively deter terrorism. Why are we talking politics in a basketball forum?

the difference however is that CNN is expected to report news in an unbiased fashion. chuck is around for... comic relief?

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 09:22 PM
John Oliver already answered this scenario. Nice try.

http://youtu.be/vQS3LgOd6ug

link?

Saddletramp
12-14-2015, 09:23 PM
link?

All you gotta do is tap it.

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 09:29 PM
All you gotta do is tap it.

this internet thing is complicated.

watched. he hasn't disproved anything. he just tries to trivialize the point by using (weak) humor. sure the math is not accurate but the point still stands.
the vetting process of these refugees is far from comprehensive and infallible. just look at paris for example.
furthermore, he points out "known terrorists". you think we know about all the terrorists on US soil?

the point remains. radical muslims are responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks. why expose ourselves to known risks?

TheIlladelph16
12-14-2015, 09:58 PM
the only reason Trump is even relevant, is because there is a large (and growing) group of Americans sick of politicians, their pandering, the entire country turning into a bunch of *******, and the PC movement hitting light speed.

The dude is an idiot. But the country is trying to move so fast in one direction, there are a ton of people saying, "woah, slow down a bit".

While I don't disagree with the explanation for their reasoning, that doesn't make it right or even ok to hinder progress. If the lowest common denominator isn't willing to evolve as a country, then I am a firm believer that they need to be dragged kicking and screaming in the right direction.

Regardless, Trump will never be given the nomination. In the event that he wins the popular vote, an event which is admittedly looking more and more likely, the Republican convention will never allow it. It's going to result in a split convention, giving us the whatever candidate falls most in between Trump and Jeb, which I assume will be Rubio at this point. Trump will likely run as an independent if that happens, all but guaranteeing a Democratic win in the General. He's the Republican Party's kryptonite in any scenario.

Saddletramp
12-14-2015, 10:05 PM
this internet thing is complicated.

Yet apparently the subject matter isn't.


watched. he hasn't disproved anything. he just tries to trivialize the point by using (weak) humor. sure the math is not accurate but the point still stands.
the vetting process of these refugees is far from comprehensive and infallible. just look at paris for example.
furthermore, he points out "known terrorists". you think we know about all the terrorists on US soil?

the point remains. radical muslims are responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks. why expose ourselves to known risks?

Then shut down Christian churches, too; they can breed hate and terrorism. Why stop at insanely low percentage generalizations for just one religion? If we have 500 Christians and five are gun nutty........


And hiding among refugees would be insanely stupid and a waste of time when it'd be far easier to just do what the 9/11 terrorists did and have student visas. The vetting process takes too long and is too comprehensive to integrate with.

lamzoka
12-14-2015, 10:07 PM
let me axe you a question.
if you had a bag of candy contain 500 pieces, and you know that only 5 of them are poisoned, would you still feed it to your family?

Let me "axe" you something. So based on your logic.
You think all cops are corrupt?
All white people are racist?
All black people are thugs and gangbangers?
All Muslims are terrorist?


So who are we suppose to ban for the sandy hook shooting? how about that church in Carolina? What about the movie theater shooting in aurora? How about the plan parenthood shooting?

The odds of us getting killed by one of these lunatics is a lot more greater than ISIS.

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 10:29 PM
Then shut down Christian churches, too; they can breed hate and terrorism. Why stop at insanely low percentage generalizations for just one religion? If we have 500 Christians and five are gun nutty........

And hiding among refugees would be insanely stupid and a waste of time when it'd be far easier to just do what the 9/11 terrorists did and have student visas. The vetting process takes too long and is too comprehensive to integrate with.

sure thing. when they all start to kill in the name of jesus and christianity, like how the radicals all scream allah akhbar and kill infidels in the name of islam.

you can name a bunch of domestic terrorists and claim they were christian because they checked the box on the form, but how many of them killed for that reason?
the majority of these shootings were because the killers were deranged and had mental issues. not because of religion.

same can't be said for the muslim terrorists. they all have ties to extremism, ISIS, al queda, etc.

next...?

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 10:38 PM
Let me "axe" you something. So based on your logic.
You think all cops are corrupt?
All white people are racist?
All black people are thugs and gangbangers?
All Muslims are terrorist?
The odds of us getting killed by one of these lunatics is a lot more greater than ISIS.

yo homes, is you making fun of the way I is speaking?

and funny you mention logic because your post has little of it. where did I say "all". in my analogy, I clearly state that FIVE out of 500 could be contaminated.

for the most part, we have a static number of corrupt cops, racist whites, black thugs and gangbangers. we'll deal with these on a case by case basis.
obummer wants to bring in 10000 syrian refugees of unknown status. that's an influx, a net gain, an increase. we can't even handle our current state of poverty, let alone risk. why further subject ourselves to this burden?


So who are we suppose to ban for the sandy hook shooting? how about that church in Carolina? What about the movie theater shooting in aurora? How about the plan parenthood shooting?

the shooter, the shooter, the shooter, and... surprise! the shooter. if you're trying to find commonality amongst them, they all had mental issues.

lamzoka
12-14-2015, 10:53 PM
yo homes, is you making fun of the way I is speaking?

and funny you mention logic because your post has little of it. where did I say "all". in my analogy, I clearly state that FIVE out of 500 could be contaminated.

for the most part, we have a static number of corrupt cops, racist whites, black thugs and gangbangers. we'll deal with these on a case by case basis.
obummer wants to bring in 10000 syrian refugees of unknown status. that's an influx, a net gain, an increase. we can't even handle our current state of poverty, let alone risk. why further subject ourselves to this burden?



the shooter, the shooter, the shooter, and... surprise! the shooter. if you're trying to find commonality amongst them, they all had mental issues.

So why are we banning "all Muslims" again?

The American logic:
If a white man commits a mass shooting, he have mental problems.

If a black man commits a mass shooting, he's a thug.

If a Muslim commits a mass shooting, he's a terrorist.

In reality they are all terrorists.

We need to be protected from all of them. Not just the Muslims.

Saddletramp
12-14-2015, 10:57 PM
Do you see how contradictory you're being? Blame the shooter unless he's a Muslim then blame the whole religion. Gotcha. Also, all you had to do was say Obummer. Start with that and you'll get ignored from the get go instead of wasting people's time.

Hawkeye15
12-14-2015, 10:58 PM
While I don't disagree with the explanation for their reasoning, that doesn't make it right or even ok to hinder progress. If the lowest common denominator isn't willing to evolve as a country, then I am a firm believer that they need to be dragged kicking and screaming in the right direction.

Regardless, Trump will never be given the nomination. In the event that he wins the popular vote, an event which is admittedly looking more and more likely, the Republican convention will never allow it. It's going to result in a split convention, giving us the whatever candidate falls most in between Trump and Jeb, which I assume will be Rubio at this point. Trump will likely run as an independent if that happens, all but guaranteeing a Democratic win in the General. He's the Republican Party's kryptonite in any scenario.

that is all it is man. There is a large group of Americans who are just fed up with politicians.

I could care less who runs. This country gets weaker by the day. I will probably end up in Australia, after I pass their 30 part immigration process....

Hawkeye15
12-14-2015, 11:00 PM
Yup. But even then, I doubt those people would even vote for him if he got the nomination. It would be kinda like, "heck yeah trumps going to kick out illegals and Muslims and protect our country's morals!" Then if they go down to the polls it would be like, "whoa, let's wait a min, do we really want this psycho as president? Nahhh".. The field of candidates this year on both sides has to be the worst ever assembled. The presidential race is being made a mockery, similar to CA governor back in 03. Trump is honestly a side show right now, nothing more. But it's bringing so much attention to the race that next year we might have some record turnouts. I just don't want people to vote in a wrong direction out of spite.

I don't want Hillary. She already was president while her husband was getting hummers.

I don't want any of them. None of them. We are ****ed dude, straight up.

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 11:12 PM
Do you see how contradictory you're being? Blame the shooter unless he's a Muslim then blame the whole religion. Gotcha. Also, all you had to do was say Obummer. Start with that and you'll get ignored from the get go instead of wasting people's time.

hard to ignore when they all have terrorist ties???
i didn't think it needed to be said, but I guess I expect too much from a sports forum.

Arch Stanton
12-14-2015, 11:25 PM
So does Trump plan on blocking Muslims before or after he deports all the Mexicans?

Like was previously stated, he's a bigot and he's clearly fear mongering, like a lot of the GOP. All those Governors that plan to block Syrians from entering the US, just gave ISIS the perfect recruiting tool. What we know about the Paris attacks: Not Syrian, and not refugees. What is the Republican Party focused on? Syrians, and refugees. While these same governors, and Republican policy makers continue to have their hands deep inside the NRA's constant money flow, and continue to vote AGAINST bills that would forbid folks on the no fly list from purchasing weapons in the US.
ISIS exists because our former President Bush decided on an unnecessary war in Iraq.
W/R to Kasich, he has been viewed as a moderate, but has some pretty radical views on abortion.

Saddletramp
12-14-2015, 11:32 PM
hard to ignore when they all have terrorist ties???
i didn't think it needed to be said, but I guess I expect too much from a sports forum.

You can make the same argument for what the right has been doing. Spewing irrational hate and being blinded by animosity towards a particular group of people. The GOP is breeding terrorists.

I would get into that we've been pushing our agenda on that area of the world (coincidentally as soon as the need for gas/oil became a thing) and propping up awful dictators and yanking out guys that didn't share our "vision" while also funding the enemies of our enemies who turned into our enemies that now had our help against us. We helped create this problem. So we are part of the problem. I'd also mention that our country was found on religious freedom because we were escaping religious tyranny and to bar or misplace a particular religion would be hypocritical and against everything this country originally stood for.


I would get into it, but I don't think it'd matter. GET GUNS! BAN THE MOOSLEMS!

DarkKnight
12-14-2015, 11:41 PM
this be the typical obama voter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

I like this guy

DarkKnight
12-14-2015, 11:46 PM
NRA and terrorist aren't in the same category ..

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 11:48 PM
why take the risk? even if it's low? terrorists are hell bent on committing as much damage and casualties as possible, so even if a few slip through the cracks, you're looking at another paris/boston type event. and for what purpose? we can barely afford to take care of our own and now we're importing 10k more that are going to need public assistance, and the possibility of some trojan horses.

our country is ceasing to be great because we are being divided internally. that's how most empires fall. we're witnessing this first hand and we have front row seats.

you may now resume your partisan rhetoric.


You can make the same argument for what the right has been doing. Spewing irrational hate and being blinded by animosity towards a particular group of people. The GOP is breeding terrorists.

I would get into that we've been pushing our agenda on that area of the world (coincidentally as soon as the need for gas/oil became a thing) and propping up awful dictators and yanking out guys that didn't share our "vision" while also funding the enemies of our enemies who turned into our enemies that now had our help against us. We helped create this problem. So we are part of the problem. I'd also mention that our country was found on religious freedom because we were escaping religious tyranny and to bar or misplace a particular religion would be hypocritical and against everything this country originally stood for.


I would get into it, but I don't think it'd matter. GET GUNS! BAN THE MOOSLEMS!

LakerShow
12-14-2015, 11:54 PM
i applaud Charles.

blahblahyoutoo
12-14-2015, 11:56 PM
back to the question i axed earlier. if you have a known percentage of tainted food/individuals/whatever, and you have OPTIONS (e.g. do no ingest, do not import, do not allow entrance to country), why would you not take that option?


So why are we banning "all Muslims" again?

The American logic:
If a white man commits a mass shooting, he have mental problems.
in most cases, shooter was a loner, kept to himself, was mentally unstable. this was proven time and time again. and yes, there are cases where the shooter killed because he was racist. no one has said otherwise.

If a black man commits a mass shooting, he's a thug.
only if a background investigation reveals he had gang ties, which is often the case in urban centers like NYC and chicago.


If a Muslim commits a mass shooting, he's a terrorist.
only if the investigation reveals radicalism took place, or if a terrorist organization claims responsibility. again, has happened many times over.

In reality they are all terrorists.

We need to be protected from all of them. Not just the Muslims.

you can keep stating all your assumptions about racism, but until you can prove otherwise, you're throwing around very weak arguments.

Hawkeye15
12-15-2015, 12:28 AM
So does Trump plan on blocking Muslims before or after he deports all the Mexicans?

Like was previously stated, he's a bigot and he's clearly fear mongering, like a lot of the GOP. All those Governors that plan to block Syrians from entering the US, just gave ISIS the perfect recruiting tool. What we know about the Paris attacks: Not Syrian, and not refugees. What is the Republican Party focused on? Syrians, and refugees. While these same governors, and Republican policy makers continue to have their hands deep inside the NRA's constant money flow, and continue to vote AGAINST bills that would forbid folks on the no fly list from purchasing weapons in the US.
ISIS exists because our former President Bush decided on an unnecessary war in Iraq.
W/R to Kasich, he has been viewed as a moderate, but has some pretty radical views on abortion.

dude, you obviously run to the polls to punch Dem.

ISIS exists because of Bush?

I am straight up middle, both parties are ridiculous, but you are pulling the blame game here

Arch Stanton
12-15-2015, 12:43 AM
dude, you obviously run to the polls to punch Dem.

ISIS exists because of Bush?

I am straight up middle, both parties are ridiculous, but you are pulling the blame game here

The Bush administration's mismanagement of Iraq encouraged thousands of skilled Iraqis to take their expertise to the anti-American insurgency that eventually became the Islamic State.

Arch Stanton
12-15-2015, 12:49 AM
NRA and terrorist aren't in the same category ..

You're right one IS sanctioned by our government, while the other WAS sanctioned by our government.

sep11ie
12-15-2015, 12:56 AM
Barkley is a moron.

5ass
12-15-2015, 01:01 AM
dude, you obviously run to the polls to punch Dem.

ISIS exists because of Bush?

I am straight up middle, both parties are ridiculous, but you are pulling the blame game here

ISIS would've never existed if Saddam stayed in power. That is a fact.

Saddletramp
12-15-2015, 02:06 AM
back to the question i axed earlier. if you have a known percentage of tainted food/individuals/whatever, and you have OPTIONS (e.g. do no ingest, do not import, do not allow entrance to country), why would you not take that option?

And if I found a bunch more tainted food in what I already had then I'd get rid of that and put in tougher laws to help that taint not affect my family. So would you yet you won't admit it, because it would hurt your stance.


you can keep stating all your assumptions about racism, but until you can prove otherwise, you're throwing around very weak arguments.

Pot and kettle, bro. Pot and kettle.

Saddletramp
12-15-2015, 02:10 AM
dude, you obviously run to the polls to punch Dem.

ISIS exists because of Bush?

I am straight up middle, both parties are ridiculous, but you are pulling the blame game here

That's not a blame game, that's a fact (non) game. You know why the Iranians hate us? Would you like a country that came in here, disposed of our leaders and put in place a government that ****ed us repeatedly over for our resources and would no doubt take off and let us rot as soon as those precious resources were depleted?

They don't teach this stuff in schools but we're that country.

flea
12-15-2015, 02:12 AM
ISIS would've never existed if Saddam stayed in power. That is a fact.

Pretty much nobody believes this. You could say ISIS wouldn't have a fertile recruiting/training/operational ground if Iraq wasn't a complete mess as a result of the Iraq Invasion, but then you'd also have to fault Obama or failing to recognize the threat, leaving Iraq to devolve into mayhem, and supporting rebels to overthrow Assad (arguably more crucial in ISIS's geopolitical gains). The latter was largely because this administration believed removing Assad was a good counterbalance to Iran/Russia, mainly because the Saudis and Israelis wanted it. Obama's foreign policy in the ME is virtually no different from Bush's, save for the giant bungle in leaving Iraq.

Radical Islam was a problem before the 2003 Iraq War and it was going to become a problem whether that war happened, but it's a fair criticism to say that exacerbated the problem.

basch152
12-15-2015, 04:47 AM
back to the question i axed earlier. if you have a known percentage of tainted food/individuals/whatever, and you have OPTIONS (e.g. do no ingest, do not import, do not allow entrance to country), why would you not take that option?



you can keep stating all your assumptions about racism, but until you can prove otherwise, you're throwing around very weak arguments.

There have been more christian terrorist attacks on US soil than from ISIS.

According to your logic we should deport all christians because, ya know, why take the chance?

Do you understand how the refugees would even work?

They would have to go through an IMMENSE screening process, and if they grt through that, they have no clue what country they would even be placed in.

Lets call this what it really is - the same thing it always is withthe right. Bigotry and hatred, but using the "they could be terrorists" excuse. No, you're just racist and hiding behind an excuse.

It's the same thing with gay marriage. The right claims they don't like it because the bible. But i don't see them boycotting red lobster or spewing hate at divorcees. It's because they're just bigots and homophobes hiding behind the bible as an excuse.

tdg823
12-15-2015, 07:52 AM
the only reason Trump is even relevant, is because there is a large (and growing) group of Americans sick of politicians, their pandering, the entire country turning into a bunch of *******, and the PC movement hitting light speed.

The dude is an idiot. But the country is trying to move so fast in one direction, there are a ton of people saying, "woah, slow down a bit".

And it's not the direction I assume you're implying. We've been moving very fast in a certain direction alright and yes it's caused many of our problems. But it's the voodoo economics/ hyper capitalist/anti socialist trend that's running rampant and has been since slightly before Reagan.


And someone else mentioned the word's "liberal media". Number one phrase to tell you someone is living in a very scary bubble and has a frightening worldview. In my humble opinion...

tdg823
12-15-2015, 07:56 AM
sure thing. when they all start to kill in the name of jesus and christianity, like how the radicals all scream allah akhbar and kill infidels in the name of islam.

you can name a bunch of domestic terrorists and claim they were christian because they checked the box on the form, but how many of them killed for that reason?
the majority of these shootings were because the killers were deranged and had mental issues. not because of religion.

same can't be said for the muslim terrorists. they all have ties to extremism, ISIS, al queda, etc.

next...?

Actually I believe many of them kill because of religion. Mentally troubled or not, why aren't they representative of their religious subset? Convenience? Are Muslims acting out at a higher %?

Captain Moroni
12-15-2015, 10:08 AM
As bizarre as Trump may sound, this stance will win him the election because no one else is brave enough to say it. By summer/fall 2016 the radical Muslim issue will be 10 times bigger than it is now.And every other politician will have backed away from Trump. the American people will get behind him in a big way.
you want sports on a sports forum? just wait until an American sports venue is hit by terrorists. It is just a matter of time.

D-BAGDAN
12-15-2015, 11:17 AM
As bizarre as Trump may sound, this stance will win him the election because no one else is brave enough to say it. By summer/fall 2016 the radical Muslim issue will be 10 times bigger than it is now.And every other politician will have backed away from Trump. the American people will get behind him in a big way.
you want sports on a sports forum? just wait until an American sports venue is hit by terrorists. It is just a matter of time.

It will be a sad, sad day if this indeed becomes true. He will do more harm than good. This guy is going to fly past Bush as "worst president ever" IF he wins. Republicans might have lost their minds. First Bush, then Bush again. A lil Obama break and now back to crazy racist Trump.

tredigs
12-15-2015, 11:28 AM
I actually refuse to live in a country where Donald Trump is President. I don't love Obama and I have very serious concerns of what has gone down during his Presidency, but I draw the line at Trump. An absolute joke. There is a vast difference between the cutthroat nature of running a business and what it takes to nurture the soul of a nation. I have dual/multi citizenship, and I will leave this nation immediately if the bulk of the nation feels he is the answer.

tredigs
12-15-2015, 11:48 AM
The fact that Hillary Clinton will likely be our next President should not excite us either. I'm not a conspiracy guy, but this country needs to wake up and stop consuming the BS that is thrown down their throat at all hours of the day. Another Clinton just further perpetuates the program.

I have extended education in Poly-Sci and the field disgusts me. The #1 concern in the United States as far as politics is concerned should be focused on ending the proliferation of political funding. Politicians are OWNED by lobbyist, and that in turns runs the trajectory of the legislature. I hope that at some time soon this is conceptualized and acted on by the populace as a whole.

Captain Moroni
12-15-2015, 12:02 PM
It will be a sad, sad day if this indeed becomes true. He will do more harm than good. This guy is going to fly past Bush as "worst president ever" IF he wins. Republicans might have lost their minds. First Bush, then Bush again. A lil Obama break and now back to crazy racist Trump.

You have to jump over Obama as worst president ever before you can fly over Bush. Lately every single president we have had represents 50% of America either way. Coulkd care less what party you sign up for, but we need a president who will try and represent ALL of us equally. It's just an impossible pipe dream at this juncture.
Bush might have been a bad president, but Obama is killing a nation. we need change. On BOTH sides.

mrblisterdundee
12-15-2015, 12:26 PM
Barkley criticizes cnn for chasing rating but that's the very reason why he's employed by tnt. His opinion is worthless. And FYI ISIS has been forging passports for radical islamists and disguising them as Syrian refugees. Maybe trumps view can be seen as extreme but at least he's suggesting something. Unlike the current president who thinks 'common sense' gun control will effectively deter terrorism. Why are we talking politics in a basketball forum?

Oh great; the conspiracy theorists are out.
Never mind that of the 750,000 or so refugees the U.S. has accepted since 9/11, only two Iraqis have been arrested on terrorism charges, and that was for trying to send weapons to the Middle East. Meanwhile, Americans are more likely to be killed by right-wing Caucasians, based on actual mass shooting statistics.
Trump represents how far gone this country is, and a basketball analyst pointed it out on live television. So it's related.

mrblisterdundee
12-15-2015, 12:30 PM
You have to jump over Obama as worst president ever before you can fly over Bush. Lately every single president we have had represents 50% of America either way. Coulkd care less what party you sign up for, but we need a president who will try and represent ALL of us equally. It's just an impossible pipe dream at this juncture.
Bush might have been a bad president, but Obama is killing a nation. we need change. On BOTH sides.

Are you kidding me? Bush starts two worthless wars, wastes tens of thousands of American lives in those wars and oversees changing financial laws that lead to the worst recession since the Great Depression, and you think Obama's the problem? Stop praying to your imaginary god, and live in reality.

ATX
12-15-2015, 12:49 PM
You have to jump over Obama as worst president ever before you can fly over Bush. Lately every single president we have had represents 50% of America either way. Coulkd care less what party you sign up for, but we need a president who will try and represent ALL of us equally. It's just an impossible pipe dream at this juncture.
Bush might have been a bad president, but Obama is killing a nation. we need change. On BOTH sides.

Please do elaborate.

How has Obama been killing this Nation?

Passed healthcare reform
Ended the Iraq war
Killed Bin Laden
Turned around the Auto Industry
Repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell
Reversed Bush torture policies
Launched and extended the "Cash for Clunkers" program
Took banks out of the student loan program
Passed credit card reform to protect Americans from unfair and deceptive credit card practices.
Expanded wilderness protections
Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act-Fair pay for equal work
Championed support for alternative and renewable energy
Strengthened the Endangered Species Act
Greatly Increased Support for Veterans
Hate Crimes Prevention Act that made it a federal crime to assault an individual because of his or her sexual orientation or gender identity
G-20 Summit that produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis
Championed the Global climate change pact
Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
Improved school nutrition
Increased fuel economy standards and decreased the pace of carbon emissions
Shrunk the deficit and saved the Nation from another depression
Regulated Wall Street without killing the stock market (Dodd–-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act in 2010)
Made significant advancements in Civil Rights
Allocated funding to states and the Department of Homeland Security to save thousands of police or firefighter jobs from being cut during the recession
Reduced unemployment dramatically
Fought for growing the middle class, and to shrink the gap
Won the Nobel Peace prize and then donated his $1.4 million to nonprofits
The Iran deal
Provided affordable, high-quality child care to working families
Substantially increased the number of drone strikes targeting suspected terrorists around the world
Arms control treaty with Russia, reducing the number of long-range weapons held by both countries
Secured loose nuclear materials in various countries
Etc...

I don't understand why people think he is this terrible president...Has his Presidency been perfect? Of course not, but the man has done a lot of good and has had to deal with a Republican Congress that has tried to stalemate him at every turn.

Stinkyoutsider
12-15-2015, 12:53 PM
Glad some people in the media are willing to speak their minds...

We shouldn't get too bent out of shape with politics and the way our country is being run. All we can do is vote for the candidate who presents themselves in a way to be in line with what we want. We all know some politicians change their minds once elected and don't deliver on their promises and we might just have to be happy with this because we're not driving the car. We just provide the fuel...

tredigs
12-15-2015, 01:28 PM
Please do elaborate.

How has Obama been killing this Nation?

Passed healthcare reform
Ended the Iraq war
Killed Bin Laden
Turned around the Auto Industry
Repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell
Reversed Bush torture policies
Launched and extended the "Cash for Clunkers" program
Took banks out of the student loan program
Passed credit card reform to protect Americans from unfair and deceptive credit card practices.
Expanded wilderness protections
Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act-Fair pay for equal work
Championed support for alternative and renewable energy
Strengthened the Endangered Species Act
Greatly Increased Support for Veterans
Hate Crimes Prevention Act that made it a federal crime to assault an individual because of his or her sexual orientation or gender identity
G-20 Summit that produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis
Championed the Global climate change pact
Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
Improved school nutrition
Increased fuel economy standards and decreased the pace of carbon emissions
Shrunk the deficit and saved the Nation from another depression
Regulated Wall Street without killing the stock market (Dodd–-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act in 2010)
Made significant advancements in Civil Rights
Allocated funding to states and the Department of Homeland Security to save thousands of police or firefighter jobs from being cut during the recession
Reduced unemployment dramatically
Fought for growing the middle class, and to shrink the gap
Won the Nobel Peace prize and then donated his $1.4 million to nonprofits
The Iran deal
Provided affordable, high-quality child care to working families
Substantially increased the number of drone strikes targeting suspected terrorists around the world
Arms control treaty with Russia, reducing the number of long-range weapons held by both countries
Secured loose nuclear materials in various countries
Etc...

I don't understand why people think he is this terrible president...Has his Presidency been perfect? Of course not, but the man has done a lot of good and has had to deal with a Republican Congress that has tried to stalemate him at every turn.

Are you sure you want to go down this rabbit hole? I have to ask, are you such a fierce defender of his that you are unwavering on many of your claims? Because, many are debatable. And beyond that, he has perpetuated a world of hurt in many other facets. A very, very disappointing President imo.

That said, the "ending the War In Iraq" comment probably said it all. Look up current day Iraq brother. How's that going?

PeanutPunch33
12-15-2015, 01:31 PM
I'm personally more scared of the redneck in his used pick up truck, as opposed to Muslim women/children walking out of a mosque. This is just me though..clearly

Tony_Starks
12-15-2015, 02:13 PM
Which comedian was it that said Muslims were the new black people? I think it was Dave Chappelle, yeeeaaaaaarrrrs ago.

Well...he was right! (as usual)

ATX
12-15-2015, 02:58 PM
Are you sure you want to go down this rabbit hole? I have to ask, are you such a fierce defender of his that you are unwavering on many of your claims? Because, many are debatable. And beyond that, he has perpetuated a world of hurt in many other facets. A very, very disappointing President imo.

That said, the "ending the War In Iraq" comment probably said it all. Look up current day Iraq brother. How's that going?

The Iraq War was one of the worst US disasters in our history. The American people wanted out of Iraq, and as promised Obama brought those troops home. Would having hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground in Iraq be better. Losing more American lives for a senseless war?

tredigs
12-15-2015, 03:02 PM
The Iraq War was one of the worst US disasters in our history. The American people wanted out of Iraq, and as promised Obama brought those troops home. Would having hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground in Iraq be better. Losing more American lives for a senseless war?
How much do you know about this war? Do you realize Iraq has never been worse than it is now (my best friends father lives in Baghdad, trust me, it is ****ing terrible)? Nothing we did was a win, and we certainly did not "end the Iraq War". Your comments are that of delusional political rhetoric. Wake up man.

ATX
12-15-2015, 03:05 PM
Anyways, no I do not want to go down that rabbit hole, because I do not want to argue with a bunch of "Blame it on the President" people. You are one of the best posters on this site and I enjoy your input. You are obviously very bright, and while our Political opinions may differ, we are ultimately on the same side and just want what's best.

HeartOfStarks
12-15-2015, 03:07 PM
^^^ and that's Obama's fault? What a joke. How much do you know about this war? Do you know who Paul Bremer is? The Coalition Provisional Authority, Order 1, Order 2? How that birthed ISIS? Not trying to condescend but if you don't know about what I just asked, do yourself a favor and look it up.

And also note that MANY republicans along with high end military personnel at the time were warning GWB and Co. not to do exactly what they did. Iraq 2 was a lie and there was no clean way out, sorry but those are facts.

2 words - Paul Bremer

ATX
12-15-2015, 03:08 PM
How much do you know about this war? Do you realize Iraq has never been worse than it is now (my best friends father lives in Baghdad, trust me, it is ****ing terrible)? Nothing we did was a win, and we certainly did not "end the Iraq War". Your comments are that of delusional political rhetoric. Wake up man.

I'm not going to personally attack you man. I respect you. I just disagree that the Iraq War is somehow Obama's fault. It's a disaster, and he got our troops out of there. If they were still there, then what? We can't have troops there forever. We never should have been there in the first place. Should have liberated Kuwait and left it at that.

ATX
12-15-2015, 03:10 PM
^^^ and that's Obama's fault? What a joke. How much do you know about this war? Do you know who Paul Bremer is? The Coalition Provisional Authority, Order 1, Order 2? How that birthed ISIS? Not trying to condescend but if you don't know about what I just asked, do yourself a favor and look it up.

And also note that MANY republicans along with high end military personnel at the time were warning GWB and Co. not to do exactly what they did. Iraq 2 was a lie and there was no clean way out, sorry but those are facts.

2 words - Paul Bremer

Are you talking to me?

tredigs
12-15-2015, 03:11 PM
Anyways, no I do not want to go down that rabbit hole, because I do not want to argue with a bunch of "Blame it on the President" people. You are one of the best posters on this site and I enjoy your input. You are obviously very bright, and while our Political opinions may differ, we are ultimately on the same side and just want what's best.

I understand where you are coming from, and I am not against our President on the whole. I think he has done some wonderful things, but he has also stood complacent and actively contributed on numerous other terrible, harmful realities. This is not the board for this and I am not going to continue, but I'll just say that I promote objectivity with the commander in chief.

HeartOfStarks
12-15-2015, 03:14 PM
No ATX I was not talking to you; as an aside, I certainly find flaws with our current president, but overall I think he's been a huge positive, and I predict history will smile upon him.

Obviously a BBall forum is not the ideal place to discuss this but I think Charles was pretty spot on.

ATX
12-15-2015, 03:26 PM
No ATX I was not talking to you; as an aside, I certainly find flaws with our current president, but overall I think he's been a huge positive, and I predict history will smile upon him.

Obviously a BBall forum is not the ideal place to discuss this but I think Charles was pretty spot on.

Haha, ya I figured you weren't but I must have snuck a post in before your ^^^. I agree, I think in time and when the dust settles he will be remembered favorably. Just please God no to Trump...

DarkKnight
12-15-2015, 03:34 PM
Who will be remembered as favorable????

HeartOfStarks
12-15-2015, 03:36 PM
Agreed and no worries man, and I wasn't trying to come at Tredigs personally either. You seem like a fair and reasonable poster and I'm sure you're knowledgeable about the situation. The Paul Bremer/CPA stuff is just a specific thing that's critically important that I'm sensing will be whitewashed out of mainstream history similar to much of the negative aspects of how Vietnam went down, and it's BS.

tredigs
12-15-2015, 03:49 PM
I know Bremer and the story. I have some backdoor questions with him as well, but his points are sound.

HeartOfStarks
12-15-2015, 03:56 PM
Paul Bremer's points are sound?

blahblahyoutoo
12-15-2015, 04:35 PM
It will be a sad, sad day if this indeed becomes true. He will do more harm than good. This guy is going to fly past Bush as "worst president ever" IF he wins. Republicans might have lost their minds. First Bush, then Bush again. A lil Obama break and now back to crazy racist Trump.

then he still has a way to go before hitting Obama-bad status.

blahblahyoutoo
12-15-2015, 04:35 PM
There have been more christian terrorist attacks on US soil than from ISIS.


define "christian terror attacks" that occurred in the US.

blahblahyoutoo
12-15-2015, 04:38 PM
Actually I believe many of them kill because of religion.

source?


Mentally troubled or not, why aren't they representative of their religious subset? Convenience? Are Muslims acting out at a higher %?

there's a stark difference between someone being affiliated with Islam, and a muslim that is part of a terrorist organization like ISIS, agreed?
no further questions your honor.

blahblahyoutoo
12-15-2015, 04:41 PM
I'm personally more scared of the redneck in his used pick up truck, as opposed to Muslim women/children walking out of a mosque. This is just me though..clearly

an extremely fair comparison here guys. we found a real man on these boards. he's not afraid of women and children but are afraid of men in pick ups.

HeartOfStarks
12-15-2015, 04:47 PM
^^^ I mean pretty much any attack on abortion doctors is Christian terrorism, but without harping on that it's at least safe to say there are far more domestic mass shootings by US citizens than by Islamic extremists in this country. Something Trump and all the GOP candidates fail to address other than their "prayers" which are just so helpful in stopping the problem.

Oh and everyone being armed so we can take out shooters John McClane style, totally realistic solution. Also Trump wants to get rid of the Energy Department, which tracks and aims to stop nuclear proliferation; not sure how that doesn't contradict with "keeping us safer"?

DarkKnight
12-15-2015, 04:59 PM
How about Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl ? Obama swapped them for 5 taliban members, good trade off

HeartOfStarks
12-15-2015, 05:05 PM
^^ I understand the controversy there but the thinking is the "no soldier left behind" mentality that is at least supposed to be military code for US troops. I mean there's reasoning behind it, I understand your criticism there though.

But oftentimes I think when you're in these political leadership positions, which none of us are, you have to make a decision between 2 bad choices. A damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. I think the public has a difficult time grasping that but if you were in their position, you'd have to do the same thing and a whole group of people would be calling you terrible for choices you made. That's just part of the job, it's not easy I'm sure and I honestly barely understand why anyone would want the position.

DarkKnight
12-15-2015, 05:21 PM
I wouldn't have swapped him for 5 terrorist, and to boot he was on board with himself.. No one else seemed to agree with his position

colinskik
12-15-2015, 05:25 PM
I wouldn't have swapped him for 5 terrorist, and to boot he was on board with himself.. No one else seemed to agree with his position

And we're all thanking our lucky stars you're not in the position to make these types of decisions.

DarkKnight
12-15-2015, 05:29 PM
How about I'm gonna draw a red line in the sand ? You remember that joke ?

DarkKnight
12-15-2015, 05:30 PM
And we're all thanking our lucky stars you're not in the position to make these types of decisions.

Lucky how ?? Explain ? He deserted his troops , that's a crime . I guess you know nothing about that

DarkKnight
12-15-2015, 05:32 PM
You swap 5 terrorist for a basically a criminal and yet it was the right move ... I've heard it all now

DarkKnight
12-15-2015, 05:33 PM
He'll be on trial see how much more comes out about the Sgt.

Saddletramp
12-15-2015, 06:10 PM
there's a stark difference between someone being affiliated with Islam, and a muslim that is part of a terrorist organization like ISIS, agreed?
no further questions your honor.

I've checked out of these political discussions but you're flip flopping on this that quick? There is a stark difference and to lump all of the Muslim population with the terrorists is wrong. So we agree!

5ass
12-15-2015, 06:29 PM
Pretty much nobody believes this. You could say ISIS wouldn't have a fertile recruiting/training/operational ground if Iraq wasn't a complete mess as a result of the Iraq Invasion, but then you'd also have to fault Obama or failing to recognize the threat, leaving Iraq to devolve into mayhem, and supporting rebels to overthrow Assad (arguably more crucial in ISIS's geopolitical gains). The latter was largely because this administration believed removing Assad was a good counterbalance to Iran/Russia, mainly because the Saudis and Israelis wanted it. Obama's foreign policy in the ME is virtually no different from Bush's, save for the giant bungle in leaving Iraq.

Radical Islam was a problem before the 2003 Iraq War and it was going to become a problem whether that war happened, but it's a fair criticism to say that exacerbated the problem.

I'm not talking about all radical Islam. You can blame the CIA for creating al-Qaida in Afghanistan. I said ISIS wouldn't have existed. Saddam was ruthless, he would've crushed them. Also wouldn't have let them rise in Syria. He would've had no problem intervening. Hell he would gotten rid of Al Assad as well. Saddam kept radicals and Iran in check.

Obama was left to clean up the mess that Bush caused. Yeah he shares some of the blame, but Bush messed up initially.

blahblahyoutoo
12-15-2015, 09:08 PM
because there are no such thing as pro life atheists, is i right?


^^^ I mean pretty much any attack on abortion doctors is Christian terrorism, but without harping on that it's at least safe to say there are far more domestic mass shootings by US citizens than by Islamic extremists in this country. Something Trump and all the GOP candidates fail to address other than their "prayers" which are just so helpful in stopping the problem.

Oh and everyone being armed so we can take out shooters John McClane style, totally realistic solution. Also Trump wants to get rid of the Energy Department, which tracks and aims to stop nuclear proliferation; not sure how that doesn't contradict with "keeping us safer"?

someone stop the presses! you mean there are more shootings committed by a population of 350+ million than by a much-lower-unknown-number? my mind is blown. blown i tell ya.

but in all seriousness, a large portion of domestic shootings are gang related. remove that demographic and the argument isn't very convincing anymore, on a per capita basis.
neither type of shooting/terrorism is better than the other. the difference is most gang violence occurs in the ghetto. terrorists like to strike at heavily populated, high profile, iconic parts of cities, which is where I'm much more likely to frequent.


it's at least safe to say there are far more domestic mass shootings by US citizens than by Islamic extremists in this country.

5ass
12-15-2015, 10:59 PM
because there are no such thing as pro life atheists, is i right?



someone stop the presses! you mean there are more shootings committed by a population of 350+ million than by a much-lower-unknown-number? my mind is blown. blown i tell ya.

but in all seriousness, a large portion of domestic shootings are gang related. remove that demographic and the argument isn't very convincing anymore, on a per capita basis.
neither type of shooting/terrorism is better than the other. the difference is most gang violence occurs in the ghetto. terrorists like to strike at heavily populated, high profile, iconic parts of cities, which is where I'm much more likely to frequent.
What exactly are you trying to say now?

bucketss
12-15-2015, 11:02 PM
trump is dumb, people don't have their religious affiliations written on their forehead. if a terrorist wants to enter the country knowing there's a ban on muslims he would simply say hes christian or atheist or some other religion. are security force gonna now give people religious tests??. he said what he said because he knew it was what the pseudo patriots wanted to hear.

jerellh528
12-15-2015, 11:06 PM
Trump is hanging himself so far in this debate. He's not even taking this crap seriously anymore

5ass
12-15-2015, 11:18 PM
Trump is looking like an immature idiot.

DarkKnight
12-15-2015, 11:31 PM
most people in this country are sick n tired of the past 7 years. This is why he's surging in most polls .

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 02:21 AM
Chuck is a gd buffoon. Makes sense though that PSD thinks he's even halfway coherent. Chuck and Stephen A are just around to reinforce stereotypes of Black people as loud and uncouth. They have no idea how much harm they are doing to perceptions of the african american community.

Trump isn't quite as big of a *******, primarily because he hasn't been hocking his schtick for as long as the two aforementioned.

As far as immigration, every country has the right and obligation to control it's borders. Ideally, you want the most intelligent, best behaved, most qualified people immigrating to the US.

It goes without saying that any potential immigrants MUST believe in the principles we abide: the constitution, ie freedom of speech, freedom of religion, individual equality, etc.

You don't want people who practice slavery, want to implement shariah law, believe in treating women as slaves to immigrate to your country if you abhor such practices. We haven't even mentioned the issue of terrorist revolution being organized by extremist factions in the middle east.

Immigration has largely destroyed the national culture of numerous european cities or threaten to do so shortly.

I guess we're so used to constant violence, homelessness, drug abuse, and racial warfare in most major US cities that we don't give two ----- about adding even more problems to the mix.

tredigs
12-16-2015, 02:28 AM
Chuck is a gd buffoon. Makes sense though that PSD thinks he's even halfway coherent. Chuck and Stephen A are just around to reinforce stereotypes of Black people as loud and uncouth. They have no idea how much harm they are doing to perceptions of the african american community.

Trump isn't quite as big of a *******, primarily because he hasn't been hocking his schtick for as long as the two aforementioned.

As far as immigration, every country has the right and obligation to control it's borders. Ideally, you want the most intelligent, best behaved, most qualified people immigrating to the US.

It goes without saying that any potential immigrants MUST believe in the principles we abide: the constitution, ie freedom of speech, freedom of religion, individual equality, etc.

You don't want people who practice slavery, want to implement shariah law, believe in treating women as slaves to immigrate to your country if you abhor such practices. We haven't even mentioned the issue of terrorist revolution being organized by extremist factions in the middle east.

Immigration has largely destroyed the national culture of numerous european cities or threaten to do so shortly.

I guess we're so used to constant violence, homelessness, drug abuse, and racial warfare in most major US cities that we don't give two ----- about adding even more problems to the mix.

What would you consider America's "national culture"? I would argue our culture is in fact the confluence of immigration.

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 02:41 AM
What would you consider America's "national culture"? I would argue our culture is in fact the confluence of immigration.

Americans are free to practice whatever cultural practices they desire, and hold whatever cultural beliefs they desire, as long as they are compatible with the basic principles of the constitution. There has to be this basic foundation which we all believe in or else the result is total anarchy.

Beyond this basic foundation, there is a lot of disagreement about what culture should prevail or be dominant. There's just too much involved to discuss in any reasonable way on a basketball forum, especially given the level of intelligence of most of the posters here on psd.

As far as chuck, however, the dude is simply a slimeball crook and con artist. He is very obviously a sociopath, about on par with Dr. Phil, only far more belligerent and with almost no sense of ethics or integrity, which at least "Dr. Phil" claims to aspire to.

It's really not surprising however that you all think chuck's "ideas" are worthy of discussion.

tredigs
12-16-2015, 02:46 AM
Americans are free to practice whatever cultural practices they desire, and hold whatever cultural beliefs they desire, as long as they are compatible with the basic principles of the constitution. There has to be this basic foundation which we all believe in or else the result is total anarchy.

Beyond this basic foundation, there is a lot of disagreement about what culture should prevail or be dominant. There's just too much involved to discuss in any reasonable way on a basketball forum, especially given the level of intelligence of most of the posters here on psd.

As far as chuck, however, the dude is simply a slimeball crook and con artist. He is very obviously a sociopath, about on par with Dr. Phil, only far more belligerent and with almost no sense of ethics or integrity, which at least "Dr. Phil" claims to aspire to.

It's really not surprising however that you all think chuck's "ideas" are worthy of discussion.

I love how quick you are to contort a question into a blanket statement and a blanket response. This thread has evolved from his original statement, I recommend you do the same.

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 02:52 AM
I'm not sure how much further we can explore the immigration question in this thread without adding a mountain of detail, but I'll add just a bit.

I don't think you understand the implications of your own rhetorical question and answer. Just because the current culture is a "confluence of immigration" doesn't mean that we can continue even some of the practices of the past.

Keep in mind that most of the immigration streams have been from european countries throughout the vast majority of US history. Only recently have non European immigrants entered the US in significant numbers. This immigration has been very selective for the most part, or at least the legal immigration has been.

Hispanics are a different case, entering the US via annexation, so that's another story altogether. Blacks another, via slavery.

The US is a cultural hodge podge and immigration has been a major component of bringing people to the US, but far from the only method.

There are plenty of other countries on the planet: and each country is free to set it's own policies. You imply that the US must continue to allow large numbers of immigrants to enter freely; that is simply an idiotic idea in relation to "syrian refugees" and muslims given the problems evident in european countries which have been generous enough to open their doors to these groups in significant numbers.

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 02:55 AM
I love how quick you are to contort a question into a blanket statement and a blanket response. This thread has evolved from his original statement, I recommend you do the same.

I think you need to look up the definition of "contort" and learn how to communicate more effectively in writing.

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 03:01 AM
What would you consider America's "national culture"? I would argue our culture is in fact the confluence of immigration.

You don't know what your argument is because you don't have one. Unless you consider contorted ideas and confluences of people to be "arguments."

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 03:27 AM
Which comedian was it that said Muslims were the new black people? I think it was Dave Chappelle, yeeeaaaaaarrrrs ago.

Well...he was right! (as usual)

Last I checked, black in the US were not advocating shariah law, practicing genital mutilation of women, or practicing slavery. This is not about racism, this is about maintaining some minimum standard of security for the citizens and residents of the US by preventing the most dangerous, hateful and incompatible elements from entry.

Then again, blacks in liberia did enslave their own people, which is quite ironic on many different levels.

tredigs
12-16-2015, 03:29 AM
I called a spade a spade and elaborated on the point a bit. I'm not going to re-type my comments if this forum is incapable of viewing them. I'll leave it at this. Your ignorance of your subject matter that you're espousing on embarrasses me GSW. Steering straight towards your company line of zero respect in the Warriors fanbase due to a lack of fundamental understanding of their team, that remains true in the political realm. Shocker.

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 03:33 AM
^^^ I mean pretty much any attack on abortion doctors is Christian terrorism, but without harping on that it's at least safe to say there are far more domestic mass shootings by US citizens than by Islamic extremists in this country. Something Trump and all the GOP candidates fail to address other than their "prayers" which are just so helpful in stopping the problem.

Oh and everyone being armed so we can take out shooters John McClane style, totally realistic solution. Also Trump wants to get rid of the Energy Department, which tracks and aims to stop nuclear proliferation; not sure how that doesn't contradict with "keeping us safer"?

There are far more shootings of blacks by blacks than any other type of homicide in the US. 324,000 blacks were killed by fellow blacks in the past 35 years.

Also, blacks are responsible for 85% of all violent crimes in the US annually which involve blacks and whites. There are 1 million of these violent crimes every year. Do the math. Christian "terrorist attacks" are an extremely rare occurrence in comparison.

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 03:35 AM
I called a spade a spade and elaborated on the point a bit. I'm not going to re-type my comments if this forum is incapable of viewing them. I'll leave it at this. Your ignorance of your subject matter that you're espousing on embarrasses me GSW. Steering straight towards your company line of zero respect in the Warriors fanbase due to a lack of fundamental understanding of their team, that remains true in the political realm. Shocker.

You refuse to delve into specifics because you don't have any facts or substance to bring to the table.

Please keep embarrassing yourself by posting your tantrums here brah, it's very entertaining. :-)

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 03:38 AM
I don't know what I'm talking about. I contort my arguments into a confluence of ignorance. My ignorance of my subject matter embarrasses me, GSW. My fundamental ignorance and inability to write in English is not a Shocker.

Well said, tredigs, well said. :-)

tredigs
12-16-2015, 03:39 AM
You refuse to delve into specifics because you don't have any facts or substance to bring to the table.

Please keep embarrassing yourself by posting your tantrums here brah, it's very entertaining. :-)

I have family in Iraq and have reported from various middle eastern Nations over the past decade. You are a callous simpleton on his soapbox. You do not know what you are speaking about son.

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 03:41 AM
I am a callous simpleton on his soapbox. I couldn't locate Iraq on a map even if my life depended on it. I do not know what you or I are speaking about son.

Please, regale us, son.

G_S_W
12-16-2015, 03:54 AM
How about the Muslim grown men? I find your omission sort of strange. Don't be a bigot, but also try not to be an ignorant fool. Muslim extremist (and, frankly, many casual Muslims) DO hate America and any and all Americans. Please do not delude yourself of that fact. You should not actively hate these people because of that, but you'd be a fool to ignore this.

Nice trolling and baiting as usual. No wonder you have 20K posts despite your illustrious career in journalism.

Also, way to ignore the fact that blacks are responsible for 85% of the 1 MILLION violent crimes each year in the US involving blacks and whites or the 324,000 black homicides committed by blacks in the past 35 years.

tdg823
12-16-2015, 04:38 AM
The fact that Hillary Clinton will likely be our next President should not excite us either. I'm not a conspiracy guy, but this country needs to wake up and stop consuming the BS that is thrown down their throat at all hours of the day. Another Clinton just further perpetuates the program.

I have extended education in Poly-Sci and the field disgusts me. The #1 concern in the United States as far as politics is concerned should be focused on ending the proliferation of political funding. Politicians are OWNED by lobbyist, and that in turns runs the trajectory of the legislature. I hope that at some time soon this is conceptualized and acted on by the populace as a whole.

Amen. Team Lessig.

FlashBolt
12-16-2015, 02:58 PM
Funny how everyone calls Trump a racist. Does he get way too aggressive? Yes, but his message is quite clear.

I've met Donald Trump because I have a friend who works at the Gucci store down by his HQ. The guy isn't nice but he's also very genuine. Tell me how many genuine politicians you see out there.

1) His Muslim comments have been disgraceful but why is no one mentioning that there is a legitimate issue concerning Muslims in America? Something has to be done because we can't shut down schools every time a damn threat is issued. We're living in fear and it's not because people from Norway are coming here to kill us. There could be a Muslim living in your neighborhood planning an attack. I know that sounds discriminatory but let's face it, that has become the issue we are dealing with.

2) I don't see anything wrong with building a wall to prevent illegals from coming into this country. Is that really an issue? Is building a wall that is going to cost us a few billion really an issue when you consider that money is leaving our country into the hands of drug dealers? We also have to pay for BENEFITS for illegals. We also have less to worry about once and for all with this illegal immigration issue. The cost-benefit will neutralize itself. But I ask again, which country in the world will allow illegals to come in, receive benefits, and not be prosecuted? Seriously, find me one advanced country allowing this outside of America.

3) Charles Barkley is black and I can see why he may feel offended. Hell, I would be too -- that's just how humans work. But policemen are people too and you can't stop people who are just psychopaths and looking to shoot others. For every corrupt police officer, I've seen hundreds who have risked their lives doing their job honorably. Again, let's not pretend that some of these "victims" who were killed were good people. Michael Brown was attacking a store clerk after the clerk confronted him about stolen goods. I'm not going to shed a tear over that, sorry.

blahblahyoutoo
12-16-2015, 03:34 PM
I've checked out of these political discussions but you're flip flopping on this that quick? There is a stark difference and to lump all of the Muslim population with the terrorists is wrong. So we agree!

show me on the doll where i flip flopped.

5ass
12-16-2015, 03:55 PM
GSW guy is too ignorant it hurts.

HeartOfStarks
12-16-2015, 04:02 PM
Funny how everyone calls Trump a racist. Does he get way too aggressive? Yes, but his message is quite clear.

I've met Donald Trump because I have a friend who works at the Gucci store down by his HQ. The guy isn't nice but he's also very genuine. Tell me how many genuine politicians you see out there.

1) His Muslim comments have been disgraceful but why is no one mentioning that there is a legitimate issue concerning Muslims in America? Something has to be done because we can't shut down schools every time a damn threat is issued. We're living in fear and it's not because people from Norway are coming here to kill us. There could be a Muslim living in your neighborhood planning an attack. I know that sounds discriminatory but let's face it, that has become the issue we are dealing with.

2) I don't see anything wrong with building a wall to prevent illegals from coming into this country. Is that really an issue? Is building a wall that is going to cost us a few billion really an issue when you consider that money is leaving our country into the hands of drug dealers? We also have to pay for BENEFITS for illegals. We also have less to worry about once and for all with this illegal immigration issue. The cost-benefit will neutralize itself. But I ask again, which country in the world will allow illegals to come in, receive benefits, and not be prosecuted? Seriously, find me one advanced country allowing this outside of America.

3) Charles Barkley is black and I can see why he may feel offended. Hell, I would be too -- that's just how humans work. But policemen are people too and you can't stop people who are just psychopaths and looking to shoot others. For every corrupt police officer, I've seen hundreds who have risked their lives doing their job honorably. Again, let's not pretend that some of these "victims" who were killed were good people. Michael Brown was attacking a store clerk after the clerk confronted him about stolen goods. I'm not going to shed a tear over that, sorry.

He's at the very least divisive and a race baiter. Not sure if you're on twitter but a couple weeks back he posted a completely inaccurate infographic stating that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims. I'd hope you'd be able to acknowledge that's at least extremely reckless (he has millions of followers reading this stuff) for someone who wants to run our country. You have to question his diplomacy skills when he does something like that.

And what was his reasoning behind posting that anyway? He knows who his supporters are - he's pandering to & riling up a racist sector of our society, someone yelled "light him on fire" about the black protester at his last rally. Again, I'd hope we can agree that someone who is knowingly organizing these types of people and rallying them behind him, while carelessly posting false and inflammatory information on a message board to a major following is at least somewhat dangerous and irresponsible.

This is one of many issues his detractors (including me obviously) have with him.

blahblahyoutoo
12-16-2015, 05:21 PM
as much as a race baiter as obama? the guy who has set race relations back by 50 years with his divisive comments in local politics? mr. "if I had a son".

if you had followed up on that story, the infographic was a retweet. you wouldn't think he does the leg work on his own right? he's spoonfed his statements from his campaign advisor.



He's at the very least divisive and a race baiter. Not sure if you're on twitter but a couple weeks back he posted a completely inaccurate infographic stating that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims. I'd hope you'd be able to acknowledge that's at least extremely reckless (he has millions of followers reading this stuff) for someone who wants to run our country. You have to question his diplomacy skills when he does something like that.

And what was his reasoning behind posting that anyway? He knows who his supporters are - he's pandering to & riling up a racist sector of our society, someone yelled "light him on fire" about the black protester at his last rally. Again, I'd hope we can agree that someone who is knowingly organizing these types of people and rallying them behind him, while carelessly posting false and inflammatory information on a message board to a major following is at least somewhat dangerous and irresponsible.

This is one of many issues his detractors (including me obviously) have with him.

Saddletramp
12-16-2015, 05:40 PM
show me on the doll where i flip flopped.





let me axe you a question.
if you had a bag of candy contain 500 pieces, and you know that only 5 of them are poisoned, would you still feed it to your family?

Then, when I said:
Do you see how contradictory you're being? Blame the shooter unless he's a Muslim then blame the whole religion. Gotcha.

You came back with:

hard to ignore when they all have terrorist ties???
......and........

why take the risk? even if it's low? terrorists are hell bent on committing as much damage and casualties as possible, so even if a few slip through the cracks, you're looking at another paris/boston type event. and for what purpose?

THEN COMES THE FLIP FLOP:


there's a stark difference between someone being affiliated with Islam, and a muslim that is part of a terrorist organization like ISIS, agreed?
no further questions your honor.

It's like you just contradicted half of your talking points in this whole thread. You want all Muslins out or not allowed in (highlighted by the first of my bolded) but now you say there's a "stark difference between someone being affiliated with Islam, and a Muslim that is part of a terrorist organization like ISIS".

Which is it?

HeartOfStarks
12-16-2015, 05:46 PM
As much as a race baiter as Obama? I can't tell if that's a serious question. It's not a comparison at all man. And I'll just stop here and say agree to disagree because we're obviously at opposite ends of the opinion spectrum and neither of us are going to change the other's mind, but I'd wager the majority of public opinion would agree that Trump is far more racially divisive than Obama, all the while being a person of the majority white race.

A big part of why people see Obama as racially divisive is because he is simply our first black president. That alone was inevitably going to set off a huge chunk of people who very simply are racist. You do agree that there are legitimately a large number of real racists out there who feel black people are inferior simply because they're black no? Look it up, it's a real thing believe it or not. And guess what, all those people hated Obama from day 1 and were going to hate him no matter what.

Is Obama flawed? Of course he is. I'm a supporter of his but I don't agree with many things he's done. But ultimately I'm the peanut gallery because I'm not in the man's shoes 24/7 and I don't know what goes on behind closed doors nor the nuances of the job itself. Do you?

At the end of the day Donald Trump was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. And most pundits, experts, and well informed, rational people see him as a divisive, verbally reckless person. That is my opinion and the opinion of many others.

You clearly have a different opinion and you're completely entitled to it. Let's see how the next few months play out and in less than a year from now we'll have a new president who half the people can endlessly hate on lol.

FlashBolt
12-16-2015, 06:54 PM
He's at the very least divisive and a race baiter. Not sure if you're on twitter but a couple weeks back he posted a completely inaccurate infographic stating that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims. I'd hope you'd be able to acknowledge that's at least extremely reckless (he has millions of followers reading this stuff) for someone who wants to run our country. You have to question his diplomacy skills when he does something like that.

And what was his reasoning behind posting that anyway? He knows who his supporters are - he's pandering to & riling up a racist sector of our society, someone yelled "light him on fire" about the black protester at his last rally. Again, I'd hope we can agree that someone who is knowingly organizing these types of people and rallying them behind him, while carelessly posting false and inflammatory information on a message board to a major following is at least somewhat dangerous and irresponsible.

This is one of many issues his detractors (including me obviously) have with him.

Which president isn't a race-baiter? At some point, you're going to have to realize even Obama is a race-baiter. Doesn't this guy support Al Sharpton? Al Sharpton is notoriously known for being a race-baiter. Yet, he's been best friends with Obama and participating at White House meetings. Like I said, Donald Trump says many disgraceful and harmful things but he's the ONLY one willing to bring up anything. These other politicians are more-so interested in catering to everyone and that is why more often than not, they fail to achieve those things.

HeartOfStarks
12-16-2015, 07:03 PM
^^ you mean I'm gonna have to realize Obama is flawed and I may not agree with everything he does?? Yeah I've stated that in pretty much every post in here.

I'm sorry but what you're attempting to do is called false equivalency. I'm done, we don't agree, I get it. You hate Obama, Trump is great, go team.

FlashBolt
12-16-2015, 07:07 PM
^^ you mean I'm gonna have to realize Obama is flawed and I may not agree with everything he does?? Yeah I've stated that in pretty much every post in here.

I'm sorry but what you're attempting to do is called false equivalency. I'm done, we don't agree, I get it. You hate Obama, Trump is great, go team.

What I'm getting from you is someone who doesn't understand politics and just calls me a Trump guy. Sorry, you have the wrong answer there. Every president is going to be a race-baiter. If you help the blacks, you don't help the whites. If you help the illegals, you don't protect the rights of those legals. And you should read what you typed before. You said "Trump is a race-baiter." My reply is basically saying every president was and is a race-baiter by default of their position. Don't try and confuse the wording here.

ATX
12-16-2015, 07:12 PM
^^ you mean I'm gonna have to realize Obama is flawed and I may not agree with everything he does?? Yeah I've stated that in pretty much every post in here.

I'm sorry but what you're attempting to do is called false equivalency. I'm done, we don't agree, I get it. You hate Obama, Trump is great, go team.

Don't waste your time with Flashbolt...But it looks like you already figured that out!

HeartOfStarks
12-16-2015, 07:17 PM
^^ haha yeah thx. I actually follow politics very closely, I speak with a lot of people on it from all sides of the spectrum. Ad hominem attacks like his are typical in this arena unfortunately.

And all presidents are race baiters? I don't really agree with that at all. Even GWB who I certainly dislike, I wouldn't call him a race baiter. Maybe he doesn't know what race baiting means? Now I'm throwin the ad hominem lol!

Seriously tho it's not that serious, this is just a forum, people have different opinions and that's fine. We'll see who actually wins the thing come next Nov.

FlashBolt
12-16-2015, 07:22 PM
Yeah, don't waste your time with me, please. GWB wasn't a race-baiter, he just decided to take a bath while Hurricane Katrina victims (primarily black) were lamenting about his slow response. You sure know what you're talking about.

HeartOfStarks
12-16-2015, 07:28 PM
Cool rudeness man, I'm sure you're great at a party. Yeah GWB **** the bed on Katrina, and I thought Kanye was on the money when he said GWB didn't care about black people. Not caring and being a spoonfed dick is still different from race baiting tho. Do you know what the word baiting means by any chance? Have a great night.

Saddletramp
12-16-2015, 08:08 PM
Saying that all presidents are racebaiters by default would be the stupidest thing I've ever heard on this forum but Flashbolt said some equally asinine things in the Rondo thread on this same day.

blahblahyoutoo
12-16-2015, 11:32 PM
Then, when I said:

You came back with:

......and........


THEN COMES THE FLIP FLOP:



It's like you just contradicted half of your talking points in this whole thread. You want all Muslins out or not allowed in (highlighted by the first of my bolded) but now you say there's a "stark difference between someone being affiliated with Islam, and a Muslim that is part of a terrorist organization like ISIS".

Which is it?

and how are those statement contradictory? talk to me like i'm REAALLY stoopid plz. k thx.

blahblahyoutoo
12-16-2015, 11:34 PM
can you tell me which statements of trump's are racist? be as specific as possible.


As much as a race baiter as Obama? I can't tell if that's a serious question. It's not a comparison at all man. And I'll just stop here and say agree to disagree because we're obviously at opposite ends of the opinion spectrum and neither of us are going to change the other's mind, but I'd wager the majority of public opinion would agree that Trump is far more racially divisive than Obama, all the while being a person of the majority white race.

A big part of why people see Obama as racially divisive is because he is simply our first black president. That alone was inevitably going to set off a huge chunk of people who very simply are racist. You do agree that there are legitimately a large number of real racists out there who feel black people are inferior simply because they're black no? Look it up, it's a real thing believe it or not. And guess what, all those people hated Obama from day 1 and were going to hate him no matter what.

Is Obama flawed? Of course he is. I'm a supporter of his but I don't agree with many things he's done. But ultimately I'm the peanut gallery because I'm not in the man's shoes 24/7 and I don't know what goes on behind closed doors nor the nuances of the job itself. Do you?

At the end of the day Donald Trump was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. And most pundits, experts, and well informed, rational people see him as a divisive, verbally reckless person. That is my opinion and the opinion of many others.

You clearly have a different opinion and you're completely entitled to it. Let's see how the next few months play out and in less than a year from now we'll have a new president who half the people can endlessly hate on lol.

Saddletramp
12-17-2015, 12:01 AM
and how are those statement contradictory? talk to me like i'm REAALLY stoopid plz. k thx.

I was talking to you like you are really stupid. I even bolded parts. I can't delve any deeper into your inane comprehension of words. This is a waste of my time. You are a waste of my time. Have fun being contradictorily racist. Ok. Thank you. Goodbye.

lamzoka
12-17-2015, 01:00 AM
I was talking to you like you are really stupid. I even bolded parts. I can't delve any deeper into your inane comprehension of words. This is a waste of my time. You are a waste of my time. Have fun being contradictorily racist. Ok. Thank you. Goodbye.

Bro just ignore that racist piece of ****.

Thumper 88
12-17-2015, 12:22 PM
Trump makes crazy, over the top, improbable statements to get the juices flowing around certain topics that need to be talked about. So far, he has been right on the money with his stance on issues, even if his original comments were over the top. He has already said that his ban on Muslims wouldn't be a total and permanent ban even if that is what he originally tweeted and said at a rally.

What he should have said is that the immigration system is broken in more ways than one, Islamic terrorists are indeed exploiting its loopholes to cause harm to us in our homeland, call for a travel ban from terrorist hotbeds (NOT based on Religion but based on location, and with exceptions of course) until we fix the problems and are once again confident in the vetting process. I am sure most Republicans will offer up a similar stance as the voters continue to agree with Trump (same thing that happened after Trump got bashed for his initial immigration stance and before the whole party started to side with him on the issue).

It should be a privilege to migrate to the US, not a right, we need to increase scrutiny big time during that process. Obama's own advisors think the refugee program will lead to disaster but Obama puts his agenda before all reasonability.

D-Leethal just rekt'd the nba forum

Should of added a mic drop.

D-BAGDAN
12-17-2015, 12:41 PM
Charles was baited into it(Everyone prolly knew how he felt off-air). He took the bait perfectly. They should just stick to NBA talk. Politics(unless nba politics) should be for the political channels

D-BAGDAN
12-17-2015, 12:43 PM
D-Leethal just rekt'd the nba forum

Should of added a mic drop.

wrecked in a good way? To each their own. Whether you like Trump or not, it has no place on NBA shows.

D-BAGDAN
12-17-2015, 12:46 PM
Yeah, don't waste your time with me, please. GWB wasn't a race-baiter, he just decided to take a bath while Hurricane Katrina victims (primarily black) were lamenting about his slow response. You sure know what you're talking about.

That makes him a race-baiter? I personally dont like GWB at all. The worst president in the history of presidents imo but how is your comment about Katrina equivalent to race baiting?

ThomasTomasz
12-17-2015, 01:14 PM
This has gone far beyond the scope of the NBA at this point, so we are closing the thread. If you guys would like to continue discussing Trump and Barkley, you will need to do so in the Politics forum. Below, I am directing you to the Donald Trump thread that is in that forum.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?895538-Donald-Trump