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WaDe03
12-09-2015, 10:09 PM
Pelicans are reportedly open to parting ways with Ryan Anderson. I think we should definitely look into that for added 3 point shooting. He's a very good stretch 4.

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 11:09 PM
Pelicans are reportedly open to parting ways with Ryan Anderson. I think we should definitely look into that for added 3 point shooting. He's a very good stretch 4.

McBob would have to go in that

I'm fine with that

Don't know if the Pelicans are

Dade County
12-09-2015, 11:16 PM
Pelicans are reportedly open to parting ways with Ryan Anderson. I think we should definitely look into that for added 3 point shooting. He's a very good stretch 4.

Theres a reason why Miami is scheduled to play against the Pelicans on christmas day, just sit back and wait for it,


The greatest heist in NBA history.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 11:28 PM
McBob would have to go in that

I'm fine with that

Don't know if the Pelicans are

His contract is 8.5 million so I would have to be McRoberts and someone else. I would rather not send Deng if possible. McRoberts would bring a different style of play for them off the bench and also clear us up some cap space. Idk how we could make a trade centered around those 2 work.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 11:33 PM
Theres a reason why Miami is scheduled to play against the Pelicans on christmas day, just sit back and wait for it,


The greatest heist in NBA history.

What do you think the trade will be lol?

AllBall
12-09-2015, 11:58 PM
Since this is where we come to speculate over this season and next season's roster....

Where we stand
The Heat are $5.6 million above the tax. The Heat can move Birdman, McRoberts or a combination of Udrih and Stokes before season's end to avoid the repeater tax.

Current Needs
-Lacking in Assists
-Lacking in 3pt Shooting
-Backup Bigs

Salaries


Player name 2015/16 2016/17 2017/18 2018/19 2019/20
Chris Bosh $22,192,730 $23,741,060 $25,289,390 $26,837,720
Dwyane Wade $20,000,000
Goran Dragic $14,783,000 $15,891,725 $17,000,450 $18,109,175 $19,217,900
Luol Deng $10,151,612
Josh McRoberts $5,543,725 $5,782,450 $6,021,175
Chris Andersen $5,000,000
Udonis Haslem $2,854,940
Justise Winslow $2,481,720 $2,593,440 $2,705,040 $3,448,926 $4,697,437
Beno Udrih $2,170,465
Amare Stoudemire $1,499,187
Gerald Green $1,362,897
Hassan Whiteside $981,348
Tyler Johnson $845,059
Jarnell Stokes $845,059 $980,431
Josh Richardson $525,093 $874,636 $1,014,746
Totals $91,236,835 $48,008,675 $48,311,015 $44,946,895 $19,217,900


The Summer of 2016
Riley still seems to think he can attract Durant, I commend the man for thinking big. But if he even wants a seat at the table, this surely can't be the lineup we finish the season with. There must be some trade happening before to make us more competitive now and more attractive. Otherwise if we're a team that isn't attractive, why would anyone come...or stay for that matter?

Wade, Deng and Whiteside control their own fate for next season.

Dragic, Bosh, McRoberts have contracts which wont be easily moved

Winslow and Tyler will be sticking around

Everyone else is not under contract and or of a negligible amount that is easily movable

Questions for next future
How do the Heat plan to utilize Wade moving forward in his later years. A Kobe type full load? A Dirk medium load? A Duncan light load?

Do you build around a center like Hassan with the game going small? If Whiteside walks do we go full smallball with Bosh at the 5?

WaDe03
12-10-2015, 12:34 AM
Since this is where we come to speculate over this season and next season's roster....

Where we stand
The Heat are $5.6 million above the tax. The Heat can move Birdman, McRoberts or a combination of Udrih and Stokes before season's end to avoid the repeater tax.

Current Needs
-Lacking in Assists
-Lacking in 3pt Shooting
-Backup Bigs

Salaries


Player name 2015/16 2016/17 2017/18 2018/19 2019/20
Chris Bosh $22,192,730 $23,741,060 $25,289,390 $26,837,720
Dwyane Wade $20,000,000
Goran Dragic $14,783,000 $15,891,725 $17,000,450 $18,109,175 $19,217,900
Luol Deng $10,151,612
Josh McRoberts $5,543,725 $5,782,450 $6,021,175
Chris Andersen $5,000,000
Udonis Haslem $2,854,940
Justise Winslow $2,481,720 $2,593,440 $2,705,040 $3,448,926 $4,697,437
Beno Udrih $2,170,465
Amare Stoudemire $1,499,187
Gerald Green $1,362,897
Hassan Whiteside $981,348
Tyler Johnson $845,059
Jarnell Stokes $845,059 $980,431
Josh Richardson $525,093 $874,636 $1,014,746
Totals $91,236,835 $48,008,675 $48,311,015 $44,946,895 $19,217,900


The Summer of 2016
Riley still seems to think he can attract Durant, I commend the man for thinking big. But if he even wants a seat at the table, this surely can't be the lineup we finish the season with. There must be some trade happening before to make us more competitive now and more attractive. Otherwise if we're a team that isn't attractive, why would anyone come...or stay for that matter?

Wade, Deng and Whiteside control their own fate for next season.

Dragic, Bosh, McRoberts have contracts which wont be easily moved

Winslow and Tyler will be sticking around

Everyone else is not under contract and or of a negligible amount that is easily movable

Questions for next future
How do the Heat plan to utilize Wade moving forward in his later years. A Kobe type full load? A Dirk medium load? A Duncan light load?

Do you build around a center like Hassan with the game going small? If Whiteside walks do we go full smallball with Bosh at the 5?

If Whiteside walks I think Bosh will definitely go back to being the 5. Wade is still elite and better than Kobe was at his age so I'm not sure what the approach will be but I think it'll be a lot like it is now which I think is good for him health wise. I think we're going to be making some moves this year.

hotdalton18
12-10-2015, 12:40 AM
McBob would have to go in that

I'm fine with that

Don't know if the Pelicans are

His contract is 8.5 million so I would have to be McRoberts and someone else. I would rather not send Deng if possible. McRoberts would bring a different style of play for them off the bench and also clear us up some cap space. Idk how we could make a trade centered around those 2 work.

Yeah a different style for them , called dog **** lol

McBob is a bum most the time

I'd hope McBob and Birdman(expiring contract)

WaDe03
12-10-2015, 03:28 PM
If Whiteside walks who do we go after? Horford?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-10-2015, 04:02 PM
Pelicans are reportedly open to parting ways with Ryan Anderson. I think we should definitely look into that for added 3 point shooting. He's a very good stretch 4.

Yeah once that rumor leaked I'm sure more teams will trump a Deng or McRoberts offer. Also one rumor is Anderson for Markieff. Also Pelicans interested in Solomon Hill.

AllBall
12-10-2015, 06:19 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 30m30 minutes ago

ESPN sources say Milwaukee Bucks have made big man Miles Plumlee available for potential deals as NBA trade season inches ever closer

Trade activity is starting to pick up.

WaDe03
12-10-2015, 07:33 PM
Here's my take on the Hassan Whiteside decision we will be facing this offseason. Whiteside is a Deandre Jordan type center. Nothing more, nothing less. That's the style he is and there's nothing wrong with that. People on here get mad when he's not getting the ball in the post but they need to face the reality that he isn't a good post player. In fact he's one of the worst. If he would focus all of his effort on doing the dirty work like Dennis Rodman used to do there's no doubt in my mind he could be an absolute monster and put up monster numbers every night. If he would do this and average 15-15-5 which is definitely possible for him if he focuses all of his energy on those things then I have no problem with him getting the max. I would also like to see 5 out of those 15 rebounds be offensive rebounds which is a good way for him to get his points. Let's say on 3 of those rebounds he score and gets hit with a dump off or oop from Wade or Dragic 4 times a game, that's 14 points right there. All he has to do now is make a free throw to get that 15 I would like to see. I also need to see his help defense get better as well as his one on one defense. I also wouldn't be surprised if he shot 70% from the field playing this style. As of right now he averages 12-10-4 and is easily the best shot blocker in the league but I think we can all agree that he needs to be more consistent in attacking the boards.

There's a good chance he takes the max but maybe he'll stay for a few million less and Wade will as well to try and bring Durant or some other players in but who knows. Part of me feels like Riley's plan for 2016 doesn't involve Whiteside and part of me feels like he would be dumb to just let him walk away. I definitely think he needs to watch a ton of Rodman film and try to match his intensity every night.

hotdalton18
12-11-2015, 12:29 AM
Here's my take on the Hassan Whiteside decision we will be facing this offseason. Whiteside is a Deandre Jordan type center. Nothing more, nothing less. That's the style he is and there's nothing wrong with that. People on here get mad when he's not getting the ball in the post but they need to face the reality that he isn't a good post player. In fact he's one of the worst. If he would focus all of his effort on doing the dirty work like Dennis Rodman used to do there's no doubt in my mind he could be an absolute monster and put up monster numbers every night. If he would do this and average 15-15-5 which is definitely possible for him if he focuses all of his energy on those things then I have no problem with him getting the max. I would also like to see 5 out of those 15 rebounds be offensive rebounds which is a good way for him to get his points. Let's say on 3 of those rebounds he score and gets hit with a dump off or oop from Wade or Dragic 4 times a game, that's 14 points right there. All he has to do now is make a free throw to get that 15 I would like to see. I also need to see his help defense get better as well as his one on one defense. I also wouldn't be surprised if he shot 70% from the field playing this style. As of right now he averages 12-10-4 and is easily the best shot blocker in the league but I think we can all agree that he needs to be more consistent in attacking the boards.

There's a good chance he takes the max but maybe he'll stay for a few million less and Wade will as well to try and bring Durant or some other players in but who knows. Part of me feels like Riley's plan for 2016 doesn't involve Whiteside and part of me feels like he would be dumb to just let him walk away. I definitely think he needs to watch a ton of Rodman film and try to match his intensity every night.

He is a Jordan type

Just better

WaDe03
12-11-2015, 12:46 AM
He is a Jordan type

Just better

That's what I said lol

hotdalton18
12-11-2015, 01:02 PM
He is a Jordan type

Just better

That's what I said lol


Didn't read all of it lol

justinnum1
12-11-2015, 03:03 PM
horford is nice if whiteside is not her next year but horford for 120mil doesnt sound that nice.

AllBall
12-13-2015, 02:51 AM
Dorell Wright is averaging 18.7 points in China and had a game with 46 points and 10 rebounds.

hotdalton18
12-13-2015, 03:55 AM
Dorell Wright is averaging 18.7 points in China and had a game with 46 points and 10 rebounds.

He's averaging 18 points a game in the same league Beasley averaged over 30 ppg?

No thanks

justinnum1
12-13-2015, 10:38 AM
Dorell Wright is averaging 18.7 points in China and had a game with 46 points and 10 rebounds.

and he's playing in china...

HandsOnTheWheel
12-13-2015, 11:35 AM
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WaDe03
12-13-2015, 01:06 PM
He may be playing in China but he's a 3 point specialist. Something this team needs bad.

WaDe03
12-13-2015, 01:45 PM
About to come at yall with some pure speculation. A guy in another forum says a doctor at the hospital he works for in Miami is very close with the Arisons and they have been in multiple talks for Melo. He said the Knicks wanted Whiteside and we weren't willing to send him off in the trade. He said they believe in time they will get the trade done without including Whiteside from what he's heard from the Arisons. He also said the doctor has been spot on on everything he has every told him regarding roster moves except for Bynum coming to Miami.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-13-2015, 01:58 PM
Trade activity is starting to pick up.

http://fansided.com/2015/12/10/5-teams-trade-miles-plumlee/

No actual fact just a beat writer suggesting 5 teams that could trade for Plumlee. One of which they added could be the Heat.

lavilevi23
12-13-2015, 01:59 PM
What trade for Melo is realistic without including Whiteside or Winslow?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-13-2015, 02:09 PM
What trade for Melo is realistic without including Whiteside or Winslow?

Maybe Dragic and pieces and force fed Calderon in return as well? Still would think it be Whiteside besides he doesn't have full Bird rights so Heat have to sign him first and cant go over the cap to sign him either. If not Whiteside most likely Winslow thrown in with Dragic and maybe Bird man and McRoberts for Melo and Calderon. Melo trade stock is at a all time low. But Dragic been off this season as well.

Melo, Calderon for Dragic, Winslow, Bird Man, McRoberts works after December 15. Not saying both sides agree to it but does work under CBA rules. But it being 2 players for 4 maybe Knicks toss in two end of the bench players? Unless Knicks don't want Bird man and McRoberts and want Deng that would still work as well.

lavilevi23
12-13-2015, 02:56 PM
I think any trade for Melo has to include Deng and one of Birdman or McRoberts

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-13-2015, 06:21 PM
I think any trade for Melo has to include Deng and one of Birdman or McRoberts

More then that. Most likely Dragic and Winslow.

lavilevi23
12-13-2015, 06:49 PM
Im not ready to trade Dragic. Certainly not for Melo. It would be a bad trade. Not to mention we'll have no PG on the team.

hotdalton18
12-13-2015, 08:28 PM
Are you guys serious with thinking these trades would work? Lol Deng?

It would take Deng AND Winslow or Whiteside

lavilevi23
12-13-2015, 08:50 PM
Deng could work because he's expiring

AllBall
12-13-2015, 10:01 PM
He's averaging 18 points a game in the same league Beasley averaged over 30 ppg?

No thanks


and he's playing in china...

If you know of a better 3 pt specialist we can add on the cheap, please enlighten me. This is a REALISTIC scenario as Wright has close ties with the Heat, Wade included.


He may be playing in China but he's a 3 point specialist. Something this team needs bad.

This.


About to come at yall with some pure speculation. A guy in another forum says a doctor at the hospital he works for in Miami is very close with the Arisons and they have been in multiple talks for Melo. He said the Knicks wanted Whiteside and we weren't willing to send him off in the trade. He said they believe in time they will get the trade done without including Whiteside from what he's heard from the Arisons. He also said the doctor has been spot on on everything he has every told him regarding roster moves except for Bynum coming to Miami.

Trade doesn't make any sense:

1. Melo has a no trade clause
2. The NYK seem to be pretty happy with their current situation
3. The salaries don't match up
4. We have no leverage with Whiteside, he can walk from NY as well. There is no sign and trade scenario.
5. It's not addressing our 3 point needs or assist needs


http://fansided.com/2015/12/10/5-teams-trade-miles-plumlee/

No actual fact just a beat writer suggesting 5 teams that could trade for Plumlee. One of which they added could be the Heat.

I'm supposed to trust some unknown guy named Patrick Morgan (from fansided out of all places) over the likes of Marc Stein? lol just lol It's funny he's mentioning the Heat, as that is news to me and not the reason I posted, but it was to point out that trade season was coming.

WaDe03
12-13-2015, 11:51 PM
If you know of a better 3 pt specialist we can add on the cheap, please enlighten me. This is a REALISTIC scenario as Wright has close ties with the Heat, Wade included.



This.



Trade doesn't make any sense:

1. Melo has a no trade clause
2. The NYK seem to be pretty happy with their current situation
3. The salaries don't match up
4. We have no leverage with Whiteside, he can walk from NY as well. There is no sign and trade scenario.
5. It's not addressing our 3 point needs or assist needs



I'm supposed to trust some unknown guy named Patrick Morgan (from fansided out of all places) over the likes of Marc Stein? lol just lol It's funny he's mentioning the Heat, as that is news to me and not the reason I posted, but it was to point out that trade season was coming.

I agree with you on Wright. As for what you said about the Melo rumor:

1. You don't think he would want to play with 2 of his best friends in Miami?
2. I disagree they're in a pretty bad spot right now
3. There was no trade mentioned just said that they wanted Whiteside included not Melo for Whiteside straight up
4. If they wanted him in the deal I guess Phil is willing to gamble on it
5. It definitely adds some 3 point shooting but obviously wouldn't be all we need. We would still need another shooter like Wright or something. Our offense sucks and he would be a big help in that department I think. He's another player who like Wade and Bosh can get hot and change the game. Also that big 3 would make it easier for each other because they all have to be double teamed to be stopped and you won't be able to do that against them. His play style also fits in with the rest of the teams half court style. I imagine if the trade did happen they would try to send us Calderon which I would be fine with because that our extra needed 3 point shooting right there. He can be effective in a catch and shoot role and doesn't have to have the ball in his hands unlike Dragic. A Calderon type player with better D would've been the perfect fit for the starting PG spot in the big 3 era.

Dade County
12-14-2015, 12:27 AM
Whiteside & Kp would be a ****ing problem for years to come.


Whiteside will not be traded to Ny. I can only see Whiteside going in a deal for AD or KD.

AllBall
12-14-2015, 12:18 PM
Whiteside & Kp would be a ****ing problem for years to come.


Whiteside will not be traded to Ny. I can only see Whiteside going in a deal for AD or KD.

I am going ot keep repeating this until it sinks in. We can't trade Whiteside because we have no real leverage to do so. His contract is miniscule, we have no bird rights, he can walk.

WaDe03
12-14-2015, 03:11 PM
I am going ot keep repeating this until it sinks in. We can't trade Whiteside because we have no real leverage to do so. His contract is miniscule, we have no bird rights, he can walk.

So he can't be traded during the season because of this?

AllBall
12-14-2015, 04:34 PM
So he can't be traded during the season because of this?

His contract is $981,348. He can be traded for a player of the same contract amount give or take a few thousand, but you will not be getting another player of equal or greater value at that price.

WaDe03
12-14-2015, 04:49 PM
His contract is $981,348. He can be traded for a player of the same contract amount give or take a few thousand, but you will not be getting another player of equal or greater value at that price.

Can he not be included in a trad with more players or something that would make the contracts work? Nobody is talking about Melo for Whiteside straight up.

WaDe03
12-14-2015, 04:49 PM
His contract is $981,348. He can be traded for a player of the same contract amount give or take a few thousand, but you will not be getting another player of equal or greater value at that price.

Can he not be included in a trade with more players or something that would make the contracts work? Nobody is talking about Melo for Whiteside straight up.

AllBall
12-14-2015, 05:00 PM
Can he not be included in a trade with more players or something that would make the contracts work? Nobody is talking about Melo for Whiteside straight up.

Yes, but you'll still be trading at a negative value. In addition, the other team would also not have a guarantee because he can still walk in the summer.

nycericanguy
12-15-2015, 12:22 PM
Melo & JC for Dragic, Winslow & McRob would make some sense for both teams. Maybe throw in Udrih to make salaries work. JC is still one of the best shooters in the league and probably fits MIA's current team more than Dragic who is basically being wasted.

But Dragic & Deng is not enough for Melo. Melo is rounding back into form after his injury and he's much better and much more valuable than Dragic. Deng is pretty much a negative value at this point, or at best neutral. He would only be there as salary filler.

Don't see Whiteside being traded, like others have said there is a bird rights issue with him so it's a huge gamble.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-15-2015, 01:09 PM
Heat, Bulls, Rockets would all be good landing spots for Melo.

hotdalton18
12-15-2015, 01:39 PM
Jarnell Stokes in 7 games in dleague

28 MPG , 18 PPG , 65% , 9 RPG , 1 BPG and 1 SPG

let's put McBob in a package and see what we can get

Stokes can't be worse then McBob

Mr. Baller
12-15-2015, 03:11 PM
Jarnell Stokes in 7 games in dleague

28 MPG , 18 PPG , 65% , 9 RPG , 1 BPG and 1 SPG

let's put McBob in a package and see what we can get

Stokes can't be worse then McBob

Yes, yes he can

Mr. Baller
12-15-2015, 03:31 PM
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/12/15/sheridan-dwight-howard-unhappy-in-houston-headed-to-miami/

SteBO
12-15-2015, 03:44 PM
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/12/15/sheridan-dwight-howard-unhappy-in-houston-headed-to-miami/
Something to consider I guess....it sure beats losing Hassan for nothing.

Mr. Baller
12-15-2015, 03:50 PM
Something to consider I guess....it sure beats losing Hassan for nothing.

Absolutely. Obviously i would prefer Boogie, but I will gladly take Dwight as well. We are losing Hassan next year so might as well package him for a star

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-15-2015, 03:55 PM
Something to consider I guess....it sure beats losing Hassan for nothing.

Dwight Howard $22,359,364 $23,282,457

Final year is a player option. So you would have to be winning to keep Howard happy other wise he declines player option and walks. Also Whiteside at this point has more value then Howard.

Hassan Whiteside $981,348

Would need more salary dumped into the deal. Deng $10M get it closer and maybe dump in McRoberts and Bird man? Looks like it end up like 4 for 1 trade. Unless Rockets throw in bunch of end of bench pieces barely used.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/houston-rockets-team-salary/

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/miami-heat-team-salary/

hotdalton18
12-15-2015, 03:56 PM
Jarnell Stokes in 7 games in dleague

28 MPG , 18 PPG , 65% , 9 RPG , 1 BPG and 1 SPG

let's put McBob in a package and see what we can get

Stokes can't be worse then McBob

Yes, yes he can


Better defense , better rebounding

and doesn't matter about scoring cause McBob doesn't shoot anyway

hotdalton18
12-15-2015, 03:59 PM
Wait so we're trying to move

Whiteside , Winslow and cap filler for Cousins ?

That would be crazy

Sucks because Winslow is gonna be amazing


But Cousins is the best center in the league

hotdalton18
12-15-2015, 03:59 PM
If we do Howard , Winslow better not be in the trade

Mr. Baller
12-15-2015, 04:01 PM
Dwight Howard $22,359,364 $23,282,457

Final year is a player option. So you would have to be winning to keep Howard happy other wise he declines player option and walks. Also Whiteside at this point has more value then Howard.

Hassan Whiteside $981,348

Would need more salary dumped into the deal. Deng $10M get it closer and maybe dump in McRoberts and Bird man? Looks like it end up like 4 for 1 trade. Unless Rockets throw in bunch of end of bench pieces barely used.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/houston-rockets-team-salary/

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/miami-heat-team-salary/

Yes but at least with Dwight we will have bird rights if he declines PO. Hassan is gone at end of year

nycericanguy
12-15-2015, 04:08 PM
Something to consider I guess....it sure beats losing Hassan for nothing.

I thought you guys still had the cap space to resign him?

DMC is NOT the best C in the league, maybe he needs a change of scenery, but the dude is a 7 foot JR smith that has never shot even 50% or led his team to even 30 wins. Seems like a MIN stat padding Love, except DMC comes with a bad attitude to boot.

nycericanguy
12-15-2015, 04:08 PM
and whiteside... is he really that great? Seems like kind of a knucklehead who doesn't really have BBall skills, can just dunk and block shots. Everything i've read says MIA has been better with Whiteside OFF the court for 2 years now.

hotdalton18
12-15-2015, 04:10 PM
and whiteside... is he really that great? Seems like kind of a knucklehead who doesn't really have BBall skills, can just dunk and block shots. Everything i've read says MIA has been better with Whiteside OFF the court for 2 years now.


Well everything youv read is wrong then

hotdalton18
12-15-2015, 04:11 PM
Without Whiteside were a lottery team

hotdalton18
12-15-2015, 04:16 PM
Deng , Chris Anderson , Beno to NY for Melo...we get melo , they get cap

Whiteside , Dragic and Winslow for Demarcus Cousins and Seth Curry

Other teams may get involved to make cap work

Look for cheap depth like Dorrell Wright lol


Johnson/Curry/Richardson
Wade/green
Melo/Wright
Bosh/Beasley/Stokes
Cousins/Amar'e/Chris Walker

Lol idk just bored

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-15-2015, 04:18 PM
I thought you guys still had the cap space to resign him?

DMC is NOT the best C in the league, maybe he needs a change of scenery, but the dude is a 7 foot JR smith that has never shot even 50% or led his team to even 30 wins. Seems like a MIN stat padding Love, except DMC comes with a bad attitude to boot.

Whiteside doesn't have full bird rights. Also Heat cant go over the cap to sign him. So any deal would be him first. Also he's not RFA so nothing really forcing him to stay. Not sure Heat can even offer him a extra year or not.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-15-2015, 04:23 PM
If we do Howard , Winslow better not be in the trade

Howard has regressed. He isn't Super man any more. So Whiteside and a combination poo poo platter of Deng,McRoberts,Birdman should suffice. Unless Rockets sweeten the deal adding more with Howard then maybe Winslow would get added. But Rockets are in such turmoil right now they're in a tail spin. Still hard to believe they would consider trading crappy Howard though. You would think they rather swindle Melo trade to Rockets for a bunch of pieces.

SteBO
12-15-2015, 04:24 PM
and whiteside... is he really that great? Seems like kind of a knucklehead who doesn't really have BBall skills, can just dunk and block shots. Everything i've read says MIA has been better with Whiteside OFF the court for 2 years now.
Dude let me tell you, even the Heat's higher ups were worried about him entering this season, so what does that tell you? Also, Miami doesn't typically dole out max deals to Hassan's personality type, and considering that he doesn't even play in 4th quarters, yeah I gotta question whether he's even a max player regardless of what the market says. If you're a sure thing, Miami will do what they have to do to get you on their side. I love Whiteside personally, but to say he's great is a major stretch. He's still very raw.

nycericanguy
12-15-2015, 04:30 PM
Dude let me tell you, even the Heat's higher ups were worried about him entering this season, so what does that tell you? Also, Miami doesn't typically dole out max deals to Hassan's personality type, and considering that he doesn't even play in 4th quarters, yeah I gotta question whether he's even a max player regardless of what the market says. If you're a sure thing, Miami will do what they have to do to get you on their side. I love Whiteside personally, but to say he's great is a major stretch. He's still very raw.

Yea I mean in the times I've seen him I didn't come away all that impressed, but so many people here calling him a top 2 or 3 center and an all star starter...etc...

I just see a guy that blocks shots and dunks... thought maybe I was missing something but alot of articles pointing to MIA being better without him on the court... IDK if that's a small sample size or not but it goes back even to last year.

and he does seem to have a Cousins type attitude as well.

Physically he's a beast, but I wouldn't want to be the team that gives him $20m per year, something screams Larry Sanders to me about this guy.

WaDe03
12-15-2015, 04:32 PM
This is wild. Have seen rumors for Melo cousins and Dwight today. This would be huge. Cousins contract would be great and correct me if I'm wrong but give us some space this summer to sign other players.

Udrih Stokes and Mcroberts for cousins Melo and Dwight. Get it done pat.

Mr. Baller
12-15-2015, 04:32 PM
Well everything youv read is wrong then

Not really.

WaDe03
12-15-2015, 05:04 PM
I hope we make this move/moves sooner rather than later so we can build chemistry. If this is possible then **** the Durant plan let's take the sure thing.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-15-2015, 05:13 PM
Deng , Chris Anderson , Beno to NY for Melo...we get melo , they get cap

Whiteside , Dragic and Winslow for Demarcus Cousins and Seth Curry

Other teams may get involved to make cap work

Look for cheap depth like Dorrell Wright lol


Johnson/Curry/Richardson
Wade/green
Melo/Wright
Bosh/Beasley/Stokes
Cousins/Amar'e/Chris Walker

Lol idk just bored

No way you get Melo for that poo poo platter. I think to land Melo you have to part with Dragic or Winslow at the minimum with your poo poo platter as the salary fillers. Udrih? As in the Beno Bucks had years ago? He was already washed up then. Bird mans best days were in Denver. Yeah he showed flashes off and on with Heat. McRoberts is a throw in. Barely worth a high protected second round pick. Then you over pay for Cousins. That guy is so over rated yet has done anything in the league yet.

WaDe03
12-15-2015, 05:17 PM
No way you get Melo for that poo poo platter. I think to land Melo you have to part with Dragic or Winslow at the minimum with your poo poo platter as the salary fillers. Udrih? As in the Beno Bucks had years ago? He was already washed up then. Bird mans best days were in Denver. Yeah he showed flashes off and on with Heat. McRoberts is a throw in. Barely worth a high protected second round pick. Then you over pay for Cousins. That guy is so over rated yet has done anything in the league yet.

Beno and a second rounder for Middleton?

Cousins has also never played in a championship organization or a top 20 player all time.

WaDe03
12-15-2015, 05:18 PM
I guess we now know why McRoberts has been missing time for an "injury" he got a month ago against the Lakers.

WaDe03
12-15-2015, 05:32 PM
Does anyone know any exact details? I'm working out so I haven't read anything just have seen tweets. Are we looking to get both Melo and Cousins or Dwight (hopefully Cousins)? If so 5 guys who will for sure be traded will be Dragic Whiteside Winslow McRoberts and Birdman. Deng probably too but I would love to keep him as a backup 3/4. My dream lineup revolving around these rumors which probably won't happen:

Johnson/Udrih
Wade/Green
Melo/Deng/Green
Bosh/Deng
Cousins/Haslem

The rest of the East is scared reading these rumors about us.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-15-2015, 05:59 PM
Beno and a second rounder for Middleton?

Cousins has also never played in a championship organization or a top 20 player all time.

Middleton started out the season a bit cold. But no thanks. Second rounders are easy to be had. Bucks already have two this up coming draft. Also Middleton can play SG/SF and 3 and D. That's rare. Udrih garbage. Maybe Winslow for Middleton, now that be worth picking up the phone.

nycericanguy
12-15-2015, 06:08 PM
Does anyone know any exact details? I'm working out so I haven't read anything just have seen tweets. Are we looking to get both Melo and Cousins or Dwight (hopefully Cousins)? If so 5 guys who will for sure be traded will be Dragic Whiteside Winslow McRoberts and Birdman. Deng probably too but I would love to keep him as a backup 3/4. My dream lineup revolving around these rumors which probably won't happen:

Johnson/Udrih
Wade/Green
Melo/Deng/Green
Bosh/Deng
Cousins/Haslem

The rest of the East is scared reading these rumors about us.

Dont think you can get both.

Knicks would want more than just Dragic for Melo. They'd want Winslow too.

And SAC would want more than Whiteside, they'd also probably want Winslow.

Maybe HOU would be ok with Whiteside for Howard straight up though. with someone like Deng as salary filler?

Darc Mind
12-15-2015, 06:15 PM
Does anyone know any exact details? I'm working out so I haven't read anything just have seen tweets. Are we looking to get both Melo and Cousins or Dwight (hopefully Cousins)? If so 5 guys who will for sure be traded will be Dragic Whiteside Winslow McRoberts and Birdman. Deng probably too but I would love to keep him as a backup 3/4. My dream lineup revolving around these rumors which probably won't happen:

Johnson/Udrih
Wade/Green
Melo/Deng/Green
Bosh/Deng
Cousins/Haslem

The rest of the East is scared reading these rumors about us.

The lack of defense of that team would scare me.

hotdalton18
12-15-2015, 06:20 PM
Deng , Chris Anderson , Beno to NY for Melo...we get melo , they get cap

Whiteside , Dragic and Winslow for Demarcus Cousins and Seth Curry

Other teams may get involved to make cap work

Look for cheap depth like Dorrell Wright lol


Johnson/Curry/Richardson
Wade/green
Melo/Wright
Bosh/Beasley/Stokes
Cousins/Amar'e/Chris Walker

Lol idk just bored

No way you get Melo for that poo poo platter. I think to land Melo you have to part with Dragic or Winslow at the minimum with your poo poo platter as the salary fillers. Udrih? As in the Beno Bucks had years ago? He was already washed up then. Bird mans best days were in Denver. Yeah he showed flashes off and on with Heat. McRoberts is a throw in. Barely worth a high protected second round pick. Then you over pay for Cousins. That guy is so over rated yet has done anything in the league yet.


Melo is an aging scorer who Has turned into poop in NY

There stuck with the contract...you don't think they'd want the cap space for next year?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-15-2015, 06:23 PM
Dont think you can get both.

Knicks would want more than just Dragic for Melo. They'd want Winslow too.

And SAC would want more than Whiteside, they'd also probably want Winslow.

Maybe HOU would be ok with Whiteside for Howard straight up though. with someone like Deng as salary filler?
Rockets be the easiest to deal with long as Morey isn't delusional. Howard is on the decline and isn't happy. So most likely Whiteside $900K and Deng $10M and two more dead weight contracts of Bird man and McRoberts should be good enough to meet the salary of $22M of Howard.

nycericanguy
12-15-2015, 06:27 PM
Melo is an aging scorer who Has turned into poop in NY

There stuck with the contract...you don't think they'd want the cap space for next year?

so the knicks are going to take on MIA's garbage contracts AND give them Melo?...lol

knicks already have cap next year... they dont need to give away their best player for free.

WaDe03
12-15-2015, 06:31 PM
Dont think you can get both.

Knicks would want more than just Dragic for Melo. They'd want Winslow too.

And SAC would want more than Whiteside, they'd also probably want Winslow.

Maybe HOU would be ok with Whiteside for Howard straight up though. with someone like Deng as salary filler?

Yea I doubt it as well. I think Winslow and Dragic will be sent to yall with filler for Melo or Winslow and Whiteside with filler to the Kings for Cousins. I'd rather not waste our time on Dwight. He's one of the few players I hate. He doesn't take it seriously in my opinion and is a ***** lol.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-15-2015, 06:35 PM
so the knicks are going to take on MIA's garbage contracts AND give them Melo?...lol

knicks already have cap next year... they dont need to give away their best player for free.

Nycericanguy at least you're a sensible Knicks fan. Got told off on the Knicks board a minute ago discussing Melo trades. Most the Knicks fans think it's the same Melo from 6 + years ago when he was good in Denver. Bad enough I read a trade idea of Parker, first round pick and Ennis and Mayo for Melo. I almost puked a little in my mouth reading that one.

Wade n Fade
12-15-2015, 06:38 PM
I would not trade Winslow in any situation. I would only move Whiteside if it net me Boogie or Drummond. Forget Melo, he's a glorified chucker that can only rebound and is a dark hole who sucks the ball to score his points because he chucks the ball up. I don't want a glorified superstar like him. Rather have a team guy. Why would I want to hurt a chance at Durant too?

lavilevi23
12-15-2015, 06:47 PM
Im confused. Cant we keep Hassan after this year? Not even with a paycut from Wade?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-15-2015, 07:01 PM
Yeah Whiteside can stay if he wants to. Thing is Whiteside is UFA. So he's free to go anywhere. Not stuck with any RFA rules. Also doesn't have full Bird rights so Heat cant go over the cap to sign him. So Wade and other free agents have to be signed after Whiteside. So Heat would want Whiteside to decide to stay and hurry up and ink the deal or move him this deadline to skip out on the riff raff. Think a article suggested most Whiteside could get is $90M.

beasted86
12-15-2015, 08:31 PM
The HEAT cannot trade for Anthony using Luol Deng and fillers and keep Whiteside in the summer (no cap space).

Kings would not trade Cousins for Whiteside when: A)Whiteside would earn $5M more per year than Cousins makes in free agency
B) Whiteside basically dissed them last year and is an UFA
C) He is a way better player than Whiteside.

HEAT cannot get Dwight Howard who makes $23M without trading half their roster or one of Wade or Bosh.

Aside from all these things, keep in mind Arison is in cost cutting mode. If he and Riley thought we were one big trade away from being a contender they wouldn't have made all the trades they've made this summer and fall.

flashelement
12-15-2015, 08:49 PM
Cousins is the Heat automatic ticket to the ECF's. No brainer. Give them Whiteside , Winslow, Deng, McRoberts, etc. Dwight would be an upgrade over Hassan but.... I'd only do it if we knew for certain we'd lose him. By the way, as far as Winslow goes... he hasn't shown anything, nada, that he is going to be an offense force in this league. No set-shot, inability to shoot off the dribble, drives awkwardly to the basket. I predicted before the season he would ride the bench, surprised he's played this much. But I think Spo is gonna start cutting his minutes. Great defense is only great when you can outscore, or at least match the point total of the guy your guarding. 4 points or 0 points in 28 minutes, won't get it done in the NBA.

hotdalton18
12-15-2015, 08:50 PM
Yes we can resign Whiteside to a max

Then we sign Wade for loyalty

Then we have 0 money left to spend and are stuck with the same team we have now

beasted86
12-15-2015, 09:06 PM
Im confused. Cant we keep Hassan after this year? Not even with a paycut from Wade?
Salary cap = $90M
Bosh + Dragić + Winslow + McRoberts = $48M

Whiteside's max is $22M. So if he signs for that much not much is left for Wade and the rest of the team.

AllBall
12-16-2015, 12:34 AM
The rest of the East is scared reading these rumors about us.

inb4 Riley gets all 3...discounted! like a bossss, league shook!

WaDe03
12-16-2015, 01:26 AM
inb4 Riley gets all 3...discounted! like a bossss, league shook!

Hahaha man I'll tell you I wouldn't be surprised. Everyone comes on here with deals they think will work then Riley pulls something completely different out of his *** to get the deal done lol. Take the Dragic deal for example.

Wade n Fade
12-16-2015, 01:36 AM
Well, don't forget Denver, Chicago, and the Lakers as potential trade partners. Denver has a plethora of bigs that are nice to develop and maybe hope to become big time NBA players. Chicago might want to move on from Noah, so Whiteside looks nice to them, perhaps. LA could use a big time player w/ potential to continue the Laker big man tradition, so Randle and Clarkson could be pieces coming, but I am hesitant to trade w/ LAL. Atlanta could be a partner if they want to part ways with Al Horford too. Time will tell, but it's probably Boogie Cousins because it's Riley and that's what he does.

Slug3
12-16-2015, 11:11 AM
Salary cap = $90M
Bosh + Dragić + Winslow + McRoberts = $48M

Whiteside's max is $22M. So if he signs for that much not much is left for Wade and the rest of the team.

If us or any team offers Whiteside 22 million then they are going to be an average team for years. Dude is really not worth 10 million a year and grated he could probably push it up to 13-15 million range. But geez, 22 million for a guy who has limited offensive game and is really a help defender/post defender who cannot guard anyone outside the paint. I would hate this team if we gave him anywhere near 20 million.

ATX
12-16-2015, 12:43 PM
Realistically, how do we think Wade's next contract will look like?

All-In
12-16-2015, 01:14 PM
I know Portland would never do this trade but:

CJ McColloum for Whiteside, Green and JRich

Portland would have the cap space to sign Whiteside at whatever he wants and potentially have a great tandem to replace Aldridge with Lillard/Whiteside...and Whiteside would be playing 4th qtrs with them

And for us, we would start Dragic, McColloum, Wade, Deng, Bosh or if we wanted to go big put McBob at the 4 but Bosh at the 5 and going small is our best option imo.....McCollum's contract would give us major cap flexibility since hes a RFA in 2017 and making $2.5 million until then

Then if we sign either Barnes or KD this off-season....Dragic, McColloum, Wade, KD/Barnes, Bosh...yea, thats deadly

I just dont understand these Whiteside trade rumors for Boogie or Dwight......Our biggest area of need is perimeter shooting, so a player like McCollum should be who we're after

AllBall
12-16-2015, 01:23 PM
I think it's unlikely Sacramento wants Whiteside back after already having him.

I think it's also unlikely Dwight will go to a team Shaq went to (again) as he is trying to distance himself from Shaq.

I think Melo is more likely because of ties with Wade and Bosh.

Still I'm intrigued with the idea of how a small ball style team with Bosh at the 5 would fair, maybe Wade comes off the bench?

I wonder when Wade will entertain a model like the Spurs have for their aging stars.

SportsFanatic10
12-16-2015, 02:16 PM
Holy ****! I just saw the video of Gerald Greens brother dunking on his own net. That is hilarious, for those that didn't see it check it out...

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/gerald-green-brother-garlon-putback-dunk-wrong-basket-german-basketball-league-121415

SportsFanatic10
12-16-2015, 02:18 PM
As for all the rumors, I have a hard time seeing any of these trades actually happening, so I can't really bring myself to think about them too much. All I can say is hell no to Howard.

SportsFanatic10
12-16-2015, 02:19 PM
Realistically, how do we think Wade's next contract will look like?

I'm gonna say 2 or 3 years starting at 12-15m. something like that.

Slug3
12-16-2015, 02:27 PM
Realistically, how do we think Wade's next contract will look like?

Ill assume a 3 year 45-50 million maybe.

WaDe03
12-16-2015, 02:55 PM
4yr 55 million

J_M_B
12-16-2015, 06:38 PM
No idea, but it probably depends if Riley can lure a big outside free agent. I could also see him giving up salary for extra years

WaDe03
12-16-2015, 09:41 PM
No idea, but it probably depends if Riley can lure a big outside free agent. I could also see him giving up salary for extra years

Agreed. He's playing good and I expect him to continue to get better as the year goes on and physically he looks great so far. Better than he's looked physically in awhile. If we can put together a team like we're trying to I don't see why he wouldn't play a little longer. Getting Cousins Durant or Melo could help that cause depending on what we give up.

WaDe03
12-16-2015, 11:08 PM
Melo with 37 the other night, 20/15/9 tonight. Looks like he's getting his groove back. If we an make a trade for him I would definitely do it.

hotdalton18
12-17-2015, 12:35 AM
Melo with 37 the other night, 20/15/9 tonight. Looks like he's getting his groove back. If we an make a trade for him I would definitely do it.

Me to

Our defense would be bad but we'd out score a lot of teams...

N that's what Whiteside is for , to clean up crap defense

naps
12-17-2015, 06:14 PM
I dont like any of these to be honest. Dwight is done at this point of his career. I dont like Cousins. He is very talented but very immature and supremely inefficient for a bigman. Melo's giagantic contract is not worth it. But Heat are really in a difficult situation with Hassan. Miami will be the same team as it is if we wanna keep him. And this team is not winning it all. So I guess something needs to be done.

Wade n Fade
12-18-2015, 11:16 AM
Well, Riley says the rumors are all bs. It would be smart to move Whiteside in the right deal only. If you get me a deal where I have to only move Whiteside + Deng + McBob where I get back a young big with control, prospects, and picks I'll take it. Kinda like Toronto sending J-Val, Ross, Nogeuira, and a late 1st.

beasted86
12-18-2015, 12:59 PM
If us or any team offers Whiteside 22 million then they are going to be an average team for years. Dude is really not worth 10 million a year and grated he could probably push it up to 13-15 million range. But geez, 22 million for a guy who has limited offensive game and is really a help defender/post defender who cannot guard anyone outside the paint. I would hate this team if we gave him anywhere near 20 million.
Realistically we will be forced to have to pay him a significant amount, and surely not as low as $10M.

Robin Lopez - 4y/54 = $13.5M per
Omer Asik - 5y/60 = $12M per
Tyson Chandler 4y/52 = $13M per
Tristan Thompson 5y/82 = $16.4M per
DeAndre Jordan 4y/87 = $21.7M per

It can be argued Whiteside is a better player than most of these guys. More importantly he is more important to the HEAT than the others are to their respective teams with the exception of Jordan.

Attempting to be realistic from both sides of the picture, a contract identical to Thompson makes sense for the HEAT. Whiteside will want more, but I'm not certain he'll get it.

Getting him at $16M would leave roughly $30M for Wade and another player. Possibly more if McRoberts is traded. We could possibly get Batum and Wade signed for that, which I'd be fine with. Sign a shooter with the room exception, and then go over the cap to keep Johnson with early Bird rights.

beasted86
12-18-2015, 01:35 PM
I dont like any of these to be honest. Dwight is done at this point of his career. I dont like Cousins. He is very talented but very immature and supremely inefficient for a bigman. Melo's giagantic contract is not worth it. But Heat are really in a difficult situation with Hassan. Miami will be the same team as it is if we wanna keep him. And this team is not winning it all. So I guess something needs to be done.

If the Kings are really stupid enough to trade Cousins, I'm taking him with no hesitation whatsoever. Cousins is no more of a hothead/attitude issue than Whiteside already is, so we're at a wash there while Cousins is a way better scorer, passer and shooter.

If we're giving up Whiteside, Deng, and Birdman, for Cousins, I'm doing that with my eyes closed easily. If they are pursuing Winslow, then I'm pressing back for McLemore and starting him at the wing as our 3PT threat.

Cousins will only make $15.7 next year which means we then have the money to go after a quality wing.

WaDe03
12-18-2015, 02:07 PM
If the Kings are really stupid enough to trade Cousins, I'm taking him with no hesitation whatsoever. Cousins is no more of a hothead/attitude issue than Whiteside already is, so we're at a wash there while Cousins is a way better scorer, passer and shooter.

If we're giving up Whiteside, Deng, and Birdman, for Cousins, I'm doing that with my eyes closed easily. If they are pursuing Winslow, then I'm pressing back for McLemore and starting him at the wing as our 3PT threat.

Cousins will only make $15.7 next year which means we then have the money to go after a quality wing.

I'd rather get Bellinelli from them if possible. That type of 3 point shooter is exactly what we need. Idk what his contract is though.

AllBall
12-18-2015, 04:42 PM
I have the feeling the HEAT are going to move McRoberts soon. They've been sitting him out, but I don't think he's injured to the point of not being able to play.

naps
12-19-2015, 04:04 AM
Someone tell me how Cousins has never eclipsed 50% from the field. This year it's gotten way worse. He is at 42% I think. I mean I understand he is very skilled and all but this is worriesome for a big to shoot this low. And not to mention our style will have to be totally changed with him. He is not someone who will just wait for put backs, and lobs/dunks as he should not with his skillset. He will certaily want to be a leading option on offense. How does that affect our offense where Wade, Bosh will have to sacrifice their opportunities. I mean I take him in a heartbeat with the situation we are in with Hassan's bird rights but just food for thought I guess. Hassan just fits better with this team, period. If it was around $15mill, I wouldn't want another center for this team over Hassan.

beasted86
12-19-2015, 08:38 PM
I'd rather get Bellinelli from them if possible. That type of 3 point shooter is exactly what we need. Idk what his contract is though.

No way I'm taking a 29 year old on a down year and 2 more seasons left on his contract.

beasted86
12-19-2015, 08:43 PM
Someone tell me how Cousins has never eclipsed 50% from the field. This year it's gotten way worse. He is at 42% I think. I mean I understand he is very skilled and all but this is worriesome for a big to shoot this low. And not to mention our style will have to be totally changed with him. He is not someone who will just wait for put backs, and lobs/dunks as he should not with his skillset. He will certaily want to be a leading option on offense. How does that affect our offense where Wade, Bosh will have to sacrifice their opportunities. I mean I take him in a heartbeat with the situation we are in with Hassan's bird rights but just food for thought I guess. Hassan just fits better with this team, period. If it was around $15mill, I wouldn't want another center for this team over Hassan.
Not sure about the efficiency but he's not played with a consistent coach under a system to help him be more effective. I think he's had a new coach every single season in the league so far.

Not trying to make excuses, but nonetheless there's much to be optimistic about. Aldridge was low on efficiency until he found the right group around him also.

If he was here you have to make him the new number one option and Wade takes a back seat.

naps
12-20-2015, 02:15 AM
Put a gun to my head, I say Riley has a set number in his head about Hassan. League is going small and Hassan might not attract a 20+mill contract. Even if it is he might just work it out with Pat with a contract worth much less. I mean we gave him all he has now while everyone else gave up on him for 4 years. I think Pat wants a Durant/Melo while keeping Whiteside here at the same time. I would actually speculate Melo could be pretty easily had around the february deadline in exchange for a package revolving around Winslow (Deng, Bird, etc). I am not sure I want that though. He is clearly on a downward spiral with a huge contract. Also, I am confused about giving Winslow up who I think will become the best perimeter defender in the league in a few years and will eventually figure out his offense. I think Pat still does it at the deadline if he knows for sure he has no shot at KD.

Man, with KD this team will become such an unstoppable force. I am secretely hoping for a OKC collapse at the first round even though I love my guy Billy Donovan.

On a sidenote, I miss LeBron. He is more cold blooded when it comes to his selfishness about business than closing a game but he always was my second fav player in the league behind Wade long before he became a Heat and can't lie he still is. I think he had the greatest stretch as a two way player in league history as a Heat. I clearly miss those days sometimes even though I am moving on with this team.

beasted86
12-21-2015, 01:15 PM
2016/17 Salary cap = $90M

Bosh = $23.7
Dragić = $15.9
McRoberts = $5.8
Winslow = $2.6

Melo = $24.6

Total = $72.6 = $16M left to split between Wade and Whiteside

Total w/o Winslow or McRoberts = $64.2 = $24M to split between Wade and Whiteside.

Can somebody please help me understand why trading for Anthony's huge contract makes sense for the HEAT and how they can resign the other guys?

I hear this idea talked about literally every few days on this forum and I don't get it. Is that fantasy of Whiteside and/or Wade signing a 1yr "loyalty" contract still part of this trade idea? Because otherwise it makes little sense to me to go for a half year run at a title.

AllBall
12-21-2015, 02:24 PM
What I'm saying is that I don't want Melo, but I can see it as a scenario that is more likely than Cousins or Howard.

I think McRoberts is a gonner. We know Riley cares for winning right now and rarely shows patience with rookies, so Winslow may be gone too. If its up to me I'd keep Winslow because he can be a Kawhi Leonard type, but it's Riley we're talking about. Whiteside would be gone and Wade would get a $16M loyalty contract based on what transpired last off season.

MiamiLoyal926
12-21-2015, 02:25 PM
2016/17 Salary cap = $90M

Bosh = $23.7
Dragić = $15.9
McRoberts = $5.8
Winslow = $2.6

Melo = $24.6

Total = $72.6 = $16M left to split between Wade and Whiteside

Total w/o Winslow or McRoberts = $64.2 = $24M to split between Wade and Whiteside.

Can somebody please help me understand why trading for Anthony's huge contract makes sense for the HEAT and how they can resign the other guys?

I hear this idea talked about literally every few days on this forum and I don't get it. Is that fantasy of Whiteside and/or Wade signing a 1yr "loyalty" contract still part of this trade idea? Because otherwise it makes little sense to me to go for a half year run at a title.

That "fantasy" makes sense though. That is, if we can get Durant or a back up plan like Melo on board. We will get Whiteside's Bird rights if he takes a 1 year opt out type deal and then we can offer him his hearts desires the following season to go along with a darn good team. That goes for both Wade and Whiteside. Doubt we keep Mcbob though. Those 6 million are needed to offer atleast half decent deals.

beasted86
12-21-2015, 03:20 PM
That "fantasy" makes sense though. That is, if we can get Durant or a back up plan like Melo on board. We will get Whiteside's Bird rights if he takes a 1 year opt out type deal and then we can offer him his hearts desires the following season to go along with a darn good team. That goes for both Wade and Whiteside. Doubt we keep Mcbob though. Those 6 million are needed to offer atleast half decent deals.

Well it sure is a fantasy to me.

Because for me, the last thing a guy wants to hear is another star is more important than him. If we are talking about a scrub like Chalmers, he's ok letting everyone else sign before him, but not a "big fish" being told "we have bigger fish to fry".


"Dwyane/Hassan, we want you on this team, but right now we want Kevin Durant/Hassan Whiteside/Dwyane Wade more, you will have to wait until next year"

That's the message you're sending.

I mean, seriously, how many times have we seen guys come out after signing with a new team in sports and say 'The other team went after me hard, made me feel wanted'? Money talks and B.S. is left in rebuild mode.

I would not play the hand you're suggesting Riley to play.

MiamiLoyal926
12-21-2015, 08:17 PM
Well it sure is a fantasy to me.

Because for me, the last thing a guy wants to hear is another star is more important than him. If we are talking about a scrub like Chalmers, he's ok letting everyone else sign before him, but not a "big fish" being told "we have bigger fish to fry".


"Dwyane/Hassan, we want you on this team, but right now we want Kevin Durant/Hassan Whiteside/Dwyane Wade more, you will have to wait until next year"

That's the message you're sending.

I mean, seriously, how many times have we seen guys come out after signing with a new team in sports and say 'The other team went after me hard, made me feel wanted'? Money talks and B.S. is left in rebuild mode.

I would not play the hand you're suggesting Riley to play.

So by your definition, the only way to go after a player "hard" is with money?

It is all in the way you lay out the message. You can still give the sense of making someone a top priority while still getting them to understand that this current move is to set all of the franchise, including said players, for a chance at nba relevance the next 5 years. Even then, you are still offering them top dollar, just with a season delay. It's not the bigger fish sell, it's a team setup for dominance that you sell with max money still being offered.

beasted86
12-21-2015, 09:03 PM
So by your definition, the only way to go after a player "hard" is with money?

It is all in the way you lay out the message. You can still give the sense of making someone a top priority while still getting them to understand that this current move is to set all of the franchise, including said players, for a chance at nba relevance the next 5 years. Even then, you are still offering them top dollar, just with a season delay. It's not the bigger fish sell, it's a team setup for dominance that you sell with max money still being offered.
Yes, the only way you go after a player hard is with money. The reason the big 3 worked is because everyone worked together and all decided they were willing to sacrifice.

It wasn't, 'Hey, Bosh, Dragić, and Durant you can have your full market value... But Wade, sorry, you gotta wait. You're not as important as Durant who we have to pay right now.'

No matter which way you try and rearrange it, it's still a bigger fish sell. Yes, you are telling them you are trying to set the team up for dominance, but simultaneously you are inherently saying the team wasn't good enough with just you and we needed to get a better guy.

Anyway, just the way I see it. If you guys still feel that's a realistic approach, so be it. I just think that if anything, it would be best suited as a backup plan like in the case of Durant, not in the case of Carmelo where you are already committed and instead HAVE to employ that strategy, with no other alternatives. It's not as if Bosh or Anthony can restructure.

MiamiLoyal926
12-21-2015, 11:00 PM
Yes, the only way you go after a player hard is with money. The reason the big 3 worked is because everyone worked together and all decided they were willing to sacrifice.

It wasn't, 'Hey, Bosh, Dragić, and Durant you can have your full market value... But Wade, sorry, you gotta wait. You're not as important as Durant who we have to pay right now.'

No matter which way you try and rearrange it, it's still a bigger fish sell. Yes, you are telling them you are trying to set the team up for dominance, but simultaneously you are inherently saying the team wasn't good enough with just you and we needed to get a better guy.

Anyway, just the way I see it. If you guys still feel that's a realistic approach, so be it. I just think that if anything, it would be best suited as a backup plan like in the case of Durant, not in the case of Carmelo where you are already committed and instead HAVE to employ that strategy, with no other alternatives. It's not as if Bosh or Anthony can restructure.

The pitch should definitely be made through Wade and Whiteside first. Reach out to them and tell them the ball is on their court. We will pay you now should you want that, or we can chase after Durant should they agree and then structure their contracts with long term assurances but options for opt out in a year to reup. Obviously all this with a little more Riley flare and theatrics. Show them you are willing to commit now to them, but also lay out your big picture plan should they choose to want a taste of that as well. They are our priorities bottom line.

If they give Riley the green light, he goes fishing, and if he comes back empty handed, they still get their big paydays. After all, there are 10 days anyways to burn from July 1st. Might as well go fishing with both Wade and Whiteside on board and a suitcase filled with money for all 3 of them or just our 2, depending on the result. In any event, Wade and Whiteside have something to look forward to.

Wade n Fade
12-25-2015, 10:58 PM
We can all speculate now, but I think we are in the most capable hands. With Riley's last hoorah, expect it to be a huge bang. This is a showcase season like 2010. Wade single handedly beat Boston in a game on his own back in 2010. Add that to 2006, and the Big Three formed. Now, with the mix of young talent and good vets on this team, there is much more ammo to pull off another historic run.

nycericanguy
12-29-2015, 12:48 PM
We can all speculate now, but I think we are in the most capable hands. With Riley's last hoorah, expect it to be a huge bang. This is a showcase season like 2010. Wade single handedly beat Boston in a game on his own back in 2010. Add that to 2006, and the Big Three formed. Now, with the mix of young talent and good vets on this team, there is much more ammo to pull off another historic run.

Do you really think Riley has that kind of pull in the league? It seems the BIG 3 thing was more about 3 friends getting together to play in South Beach than it was Riley scheming or convincing these guys to sign. I meant wasn't he trying to give huge contracts out to Marion or Lamar or something the year before? That should tell you he didn't plan to sign the BIG 3, it just happened.

I think he gets way too much credit for that, I think those 3 would have signed without Riley. I'm not sure we'll ever see 3 stars in their prime team up like that again. I certainly wouldn't sit around expecting it as a fan.

Slug3
12-29-2015, 02:29 PM
We can all speculate now, but I think we are in the most capable hands. With Riley's last hoorah, expect it to be a huge bang. This is a showcase season like 2010. Wade single handedly beat Boston in a game on his own back in 2010. Add that to 2006, and the Big Three formed. Now, with the mix of young talent and good vets on this team, there is much more ammo to pull off another historic run.

you make it seem like Riley has some magic he uses or something. Look I am sorry everyone but Riley is also past his prime. We have been giving away players and draft picks for nothing in return because we don't want to pay money. Its not going to happen now. Best case is we have this same team next year but with Whiteside making more money. Worse case is he walks and we have money to get nobody. We are not getting a big free agent. Maybe Melo comes here but I am not sure if his wife would want to leave NY. But Miami is Miami.

WaDe03
12-29-2015, 02:43 PM
We need a shooter or 2. End of story. We're getting open looks we just don't have the shooters to consistently knock them down. Having shooters will take this team to a completely different level.

AllBall
12-29-2015, 02:50 PM
Do you really think Riley has that kind of pull in the league? It seems the BIG 3 thing was more about 3 friends getting together to play in South Beach than it was Riley scheming or convincing these guys to sign. I meant wasn't he trying to give huge contracts out to Marion or Lamar or something the year before? That should tell you he didn't plan to sign the BIG 3, it just happened.

I think he gets way too much credit for that, I think those 3 would have signed without Riley. I'm not sure we'll ever see 3 stars in their prime team up like that again. I certainly wouldn't sit around expecting it as a fan.

lol, just lol @ just happened

Riley and Elisburg strategically planned it so that there was no one on the books in the summer of 2010. I remember Cook and Beasley got moved and the only one left practicing in an empty arena was Mario Chalmers. I suppose Shaq just happened too, lmfao :laugh::laugh::laugh:

nycericanguy
12-29-2015, 02:56 PM
lol, just lol @ just happened

Riley and Elisburg strategically planned it so that there was no one on the books in the summer of 2010. I remember Cook and Beasley got moved and the only one left practicing in an empty arena was Mario Chalmers. I suppose Shaq just happened too, lmfao :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Miami traded for Shaq... I don't see how that's even relevant.

Typing "LOL" over and over with emoji's doesn't make your argument any stronger.

The fact is Riley offered Marion a big 4 year contract, so no he didn't plan to not have anyone on the books in 2010. He had to GIVE AWAY Beasely at the last minute when Lebron decided to come. And Beasely had a lot of value at that time. Yet you think it was his plan to give him away? Of course not...

Let's be real, Lebron wanted to play with his buddies in South beach... Riley isn't some GOD that made it happen. If you want to think he is well more power to you.

MiamiLoyal926
12-29-2015, 03:24 PM
Miami traded for Shaq... I don't see how that's even relevant.

Typing "LOL" over and over with emoji's doesn't make your argument any stronger.

The fact is Riley offered Marion a big 4 year contract, so no he didn't plan to not have anyone on the books in 2010. He had to GIVE AWAY Beasely at the last minute when Lebron decided to come. And Beasely had a lot of value at that time. Yet you think it was his plan to give him away? Of course not...

Let's be real, Lebron wanted to play with his buddies in South beach... Riley isn't some GOD that made it happen. If you want to think he is well more power to you.

Your facts are fairly way off. Marion was traded away mid season and Lamar was on the west coast doing his thing at the time. No connections to the heat at the time. The only player Riley was after at the time before 2010 free agency was Amare. Heat and phoenix talked trade, but ultimately we passed and waited for free agency to make a splash instead. Riley had assets in place like beasley in case he couldn't pull the heist, but also had contingency plans for them if he was able to do it. Riley and Elisburg had to mastermind the plan for it even to be a possibility for the big 3. It was made possible by Riley. At least get your facts straight.

AllBall
12-29-2015, 03:35 PM
Miami traded for Shaq... I don't see how that's even relevant.

Typing "LOL" over and over with emoji's doesn't make your argument any stronger.

The fact is Riley offered Marion a big 4 year contract, so no he didn't plan to not have anyone on the books in 2010. He had to GIVE AWAY Beasely at the last minute when Lebron decided to come. And Beasely had a lot of value at that time. Yet you think it was his plan to give him away? Of course not...

Let's be real, Lebron wanted to play with his buddies in South beach... Riley isn't some GOD that made it happen. If you want to think he is well more power to you.

You can play your revisionist history if you want, we all know what happened.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/art_garcia/06/29/heat.options/

nycericanguy
12-29-2015, 03:52 PM
Your facts are fairly way off. Marion was traded away mid season and Lamar was on the west coast doing his thing at the time. No connections to the heat at the time. The only player Riley was after at the time before 2010 free agency was Amare. Heat and phoenix talked trade, but ultimately we passed and waited for free agency to make a splash instead. Riley had assets in place like beasley in case he couldn't pull the heist, but also had contingency plans for them if he was able to do it. Riley and Elisburg had to mastermind the plan for it even to be a possibility for the big 3. It was made possible by Riley. At least get your facts straight.

wasn't he traded because he rejected a non max offer? Didn't Riley offer him a pretty big 4 year deal right before?

Just saying, do you really think it was Riley? Or that Lebron just wanted to play buddy ball? I mean Riley couldn't get Lebron to stay could he?... this was all Lebron the whole time... i dont buy that Riley was a mastermind that made it happen. It was more of a perfect storm...

WaDe03
12-29-2015, 05:37 PM
I don't give Riley all the credit for LeBron and Bosh but he did have to work the roster the right way to be able to sign them. He gets all the credit for moves like Shaq and Dragic who's finally starting to play like we expected.

lavilevi23
12-29-2015, 06:54 PM
Riley is still the best GM in the NBA and thats all that matters.

SteBO
12-29-2015, 07:09 PM
I don't give Riley all the credit for LeBron and Bosh but he did have to work the roster the right way to be able to sign them. He gets all the credit for moves like Shaq and Dragic who's finally starting to play like we expected.
It's this simple.

hotdalton18
12-29-2015, 07:46 PM
I don't give Riley all the credit for LeBron and Bosh but he did have to work the roster the right way to be able to sign them. He gets all the credit for moves like Shaq and Dragic who's finally starting to play like we expected.


I was with ya till you said Dragic is finally starting to play like we expected

Last 4 games he's played in

8/8
7/6
22/4
9/5

Idk if that's what you expect out of a MAX player

But that's not what I expect

He's a complete joke

WaDe03
12-29-2015, 09:04 PM
I was with ya till you said Dragic is finally starting to play like we expected

Last 4 games he's played in

8/8
7/6
22/4
9/5

Idk if that's what you expect out of a MAX player

But that's not what I expect

He's a complete joke

He's playing through injury to both hands/wrists. You can't tell me he didn't look like he was finally getting it together before that.

lavilevi23
12-30-2015, 12:08 AM
Time for a trade

MiamiLoyal926
12-30-2015, 09:10 AM
wasn't he traded because he rejected a non max offer? Didn't Riley offer him a pretty big 4 year deal right before?

Just saying, do you really think it was Riley? Or that Lebron just wanted to play buddy ball? I mean Riley couldn't get Lebron to stay could he?... this was all Lebron the whole time... i dont buy that Riley was a mastermind that made it happen. It was more of a perfect storm...

Do you play chess? It is a game of moves to set up for the ultimate move. No matter if Lebron wanted or not in July 2010, or even before, Riley had to move all his pieces strategically to set himself up. And all these moves were made with the risk of the unknown result. He took chances and it paid off. He was the one who moved those pieces... the "mastermind" behind the plan. The big 3 were simply pieces in his game. Granted, one turned on him 4 years later, but still pieces in HIS chess game. Btw, beasley is the pawn in this metaphor.

And for Marion, again, get your facts straight... we never offered him a max or near max. We did offer him a 4 year contract, but he wanted the max. Result: traded him away. Again, Riley playing his pieces that eventually set him up for the biggest moves of our franchise. That was not Lebron's doing. Lebron was just a willing piece in Riley's game. What played to our favor was the big 3 friend connection. Riley was the shark that took advantage of that. A "perfect storm"?Maybe... but Riley was at the helm of that ship and steered it straight to the promise land.

MiamiLoyal926
12-30-2015, 09:31 AM
Time for a trade

What do you have in mind? What are you looking for?

Slug3
12-30-2015, 11:01 AM
He's playing through injury to both hands/wrists. You can't tell me he didn't look like he was finally getting it together before that.

I just think there is always an excuse for Dragic. He will play bad and the excuse will be to give him time to get adjusted. Then he has like one or 2 good games and the "hes finally feeling comfortable" stuff comes out. Then ge goes bad again and the same excuse of "give him more time". Now we are using hes injured as an excuse. I mean I even think I saw someone say its because his family wasn't here and he would play better once they came to the states. I mean there is always an excuse for him.

AllBall
12-30-2015, 12:10 PM
Time for a trade

If we continue like this and nothing happens by the trade deadline I'm done with this team until the playoff (if we even make it). Hell, we lost 2 games and went from #2 to #8 seed. We have a BRUTAL road schedule coming up, its make or break.

Riley please get us Dorell Wright! :hope:

nycericanguy
12-30-2015, 01:55 PM
Do you play chess? It is a game of moves to set up for the ultimate move. No matter if Lebron wanted or not in July 2010, or even before, Riley had to move all his pieces strategically to set himself up. And all these moves were made with the risk of the unknown result. He took chances and it paid off. He was the one who moved those pieces... the "mastermind" behind the plan. The big 3 were simply pieces in his game. Granted, one turned on him 4 years later, but still pieces in HIS chess game. Btw, beasley is the pawn in this metaphor.

And for Marion, again, get your facts straight... we never offered him a max or near max. We did offer him a 4 year contract, but he wanted the max. Result: traded him away. Again, Riley playing his pieces that eventually set him up for the biggest moves of our franchise. That was not Lebron's doing. Lebron was just a willing piece in Riley's game. What played to our favor was the big 3 friend connection. Riley was the shark that took advantage of that. A "perfect storm"?Maybe... but Riley was at the helm of that ship and steered it straight to the promise land.

umm I said they offered him a NON max... and he wanted max so he declined. but it was still a big contract that would have prevented them from signing the big 3. So Riley lucked out that Marion declined it.

Of course Riley should get credit for having the flexibility, but alot of teams cleared cap for 2010... it was a big free agent class.

I pretty much agree with you, it was a perfect storm and 3 friends connection. And Riley made it happen and he deserves some credit.

But where I think people get carried away is acting like he was a mastermind and expecting him to pull something like that off again.

beasted86
12-30-2015, 05:16 PM
The HEAT never offered Marion any contract. No contract rumors came out whatsoever. You need to get on Google or something. Your facts are way off.

Marion was traded a season and a half before summer 2010. They had no intention of keeping him unless he was a great fit and came at the right money.

You see, the problem is you seemingly expected Riley to be a terrible GM like half of the league that has no backup plans at all when things don't go their way. Just because he wants to sign someone in 2010 doesn't mean he puts all his eggs in that basket and stops being a GM in the meantime while still collecting the checks. Riley is still going to probe and consider adding guys like Lamar, Fisher, or trading for Stoudemire while still keeping an eye out on 2010 -- he's allowed to do that, you know.

Riley deserves all of the credit for giving the HEAT the flexibility to sign 3 max players... PERIOD! Doesn't matter if you think LeBron or Wade or whoever actually convinced whoever in the end. No matter what Riley gets the credit for having the space available. Can't believe anyone with a brain would try and dispute that.

MiamiLoyal926
12-30-2015, 07:52 PM
umm I said they offered him a NON max... and he wanted max so he declined. but it was still a big contract that would have prevented them from signing the big 3. So Riley lucked out that Marion declined it.

Of course Riley should get credit for having the flexibility, but alot of teams cleared cap for 2010... it was a big free agent class.

I pretty much agree with you, it was a perfect storm and 3 friends connection. And Riley made it happen and he deserves some credit.

But where I think people get carried away is acting like he was a mastermind and expecting him to pull something like that off again.

He deserves most of the credit... not "some".

In addition, his resume speaks for itself. If that isn't enough, player feedback speaks greatly of Riley's presence in meetings and negotiations. Take, for example, the reports about how Aldridge was inspired by Riley's pitch this past summer.

If that still wasn't enough, we have rebounded quite well as a team since Lebron's deprature. That speaks well of Riley's ability to steer this ship.

All in all, Riley is the captain of this ship and he has steered this ship very well in his years here. I will continue to trust him. Just like the Marion situation (which you continue to be misinformed about), we will be dealt many cards... some we will burn, some we will keep, but Riley plays his cards well (as history has shown). Maybe this time we will not like the result, but I will live with whatever the results are knowing Riley was the one handling it.

lavilevi23
01-02-2016, 01:21 PM
We need to trade McRoberts for a consistent outside shooter.

SteBO
01-02-2016, 07:40 PM
I think nycericanguy is referencing something Marion's agent, Dan Fegan, put out there. I can tell you for a fact that Miami never offered Marion anything. Marion was never gonna be here long term unless it came at Miami's price range. Obviously, that wasn't gonna happen knowing Fegan's dealings, so he was traded.

Dade County
01-03-2016, 02:47 AM
We need to trade McRoberts for a consistent outside shooter.

Deng needs to be in that trade.


I've been saying Miami needs a pure shooter before the season even started.


Deng, birdman, (rio gone already lol),...etc

SportsFanatic10
01-05-2016, 01:01 AM
We all want a real 3pt threat added to this roster. The team needs it, but it can't just be someone like a James Jones who doesn't bring anything else to the table. Who is out there that we could realistically get or trade for that would actually crack the rotation with their all around game? I hope Pat can work some magic here. As talented as this team is, they really need better and more consistent outside shooting to be capable of contending seriously.

MiamiLoyal926
01-05-2016, 07:13 AM
We all want a real 3pt threat added to this roster. The team needs it, but it can't just be someone like a James Jones who doesn't bring anything else to the table. Who is out there that we could realistically get or trade for that would actually crack the rotation with their all around game? I hope Pat can work some magic here. As talented as this team is, they really need better and more consistent outside shooting to be capable of contending seriously.

Realistically speaking, Dorell Wright. Decent 3 and D. If we want anything better, we likely need to move an integral piece of the rotation.

MiamiLoyal926
01-05-2016, 07:21 AM
And it is sad to say this, but Marcus Thornton is putting up similar numbers as Deng in far lass minutes and with a far smaller salary. And we know he plays on a team with a couple of ball hungry stars.

Would you say Deng is an expendable piece of the rotation at this point in the season, or getting rid of him would do more damage than not?

Mr. Baller
01-05-2016, 11:17 AM
Realistically speaking, Dorell Wright. Decent 3 and D. If we want anything better, we likely need to move an integral piece of the rotation.

There's a reason Dorrell isn't in the league anymore

MiamiLoyal926
01-05-2016, 03:56 PM
There's a reason Dorrell isn't in the league anymore

If not him, then what is your idea?!

AllBall
01-05-2016, 05:40 PM
There's a reason Dorrell isn't in the league anymore

Yeah, because the Heat thought Green and McRoberts would be enough. They were wrong, bring on Wright.

WaDe03
01-05-2016, 06:07 PM
Yeah, because the Heat thought Green and McRoberts would be enough. They were wrong, bring on Wright.

I agree with this. Wright could give us minutes here and there at the 3 and 4. This whole McRoberts things is pissing me off. If he ever does come back it's going to take him forever to get his rhythm back as usual. I say we look at some 2 for 1 trade possibilities revolving around McRoberts Birdman and Stokes and see what we could possibly get then sign Wright with the free spot if we don't fill that need with a trade. At least Wrights in China building some confidence. Not sure if he's a 3 and D player still as some have stated but I'm sure he can be a solid 3 point threat still.

SportsFanatic10
01-05-2016, 06:16 PM
Yeah, because the Heat thought Green and McRoberts would be enough. They were wrong, bring on Wright.

Not sure I agree that the Heat thinking Green and McRoberts would be enough is the only reason Wrights not in the league anymore. 29 other teams apparently passed on him as well...I wouldn't be against Pat signing him after the Chinese league is done in March or whatever to see what he has left though.

SportsFanatic10
01-05-2016, 06:18 PM
And it is sad to say this, but Marcus Thornton is putting up similar numbers as Deng in far lass minutes and with a far smaller salary. And we know he plays on a team with a couple of ball hungry stars.

Would you say Deng is an expendable piece of the rotation at this point in the season, or getting rid of him would do more damage than not?

I think we need Deng, but it obviously depends on what we could get back from him. I definitely agree about Thornton though, I was disappointed when Pat chose not to try and sign him in the offseason.

WaDe03
01-05-2016, 06:54 PM
Couple scenarios I have in my head other than the Wright one given. Feel free to bash me if they are stupid.

The first is should we take a gamble and sign a guy like Nate Robinson? I feel like with this team and organization he could actually be pretty good. He's aggressive and scrappy and can get hot on offense. He's sort of like Barea who I think we should've went after. He's playing great for Dallas right now.

The lineup I have in mind for this scenario is:

Dragic/Robinson
Wade/Johnson
Deng/Green
Bosh/Winslow
Whiteside/Bosh/Amare

The next and probably better scenario is to trade Deng and McRoberts to Houston for Ariza and Thornton. I love Deng and he's way underrated on here. I think he's better than Ariza because I think he has a toughness factor about him that Ariza doesn't have. I also think Ariza is just in a bad situation in Houston, it's one big cluster **** over there. If we could somehow get Washington Ariza it would make us a lot better. He's a better 3 point shooter than Deng which is definitely needed and was a great defender on Washington (I'm not sure about on Houston). Getting Thornton would add even more 3 point shooting and as we saw against us a guy that can get very, very hot from 3. With this trade I think our offense gets a lot better due to better shooting and spacing. We would now have 5 guys with the potential to shoot over 40% from 3 with Johnson, Bosh, Green, Ariza and Thornton. I also don't think our defense would take a hit if Ariza plays like he did for Washington. I like Dengs defense on LeBron though and idk how Ariza would do. We would have the defensive GOAT in Winslow off the bench if things get rough though. The lineup I see in this scenario is:

Dragic/Johnson
Wade/Thornton
Ariza/ Green
Bosh/Winslow
Whiteside/Bosh/Amare

We go 4 out 1 in on offense when Winslow comes in and then when Bosh subs back in he takes Whiteside and we have both a 4 out 1 in offense or a 5 out offense we can switch back and forth between. Getting shooters like Thornton and Ariza to add to the team would open up the driving lanes for Wade Dragic and Bosh and I think would help in pick n rolls between Wade/Dragic and Whiteside/Bosh. It would also give room for Winslow and Wade to cut and slash all they want to and finally get Winslow out of the corner chucking 3s which is basically a turnover.

Mr. Baller
01-06-2016, 11:25 AM
If not him, then what is your idea?!

Wait till guys get bought out

All-In
01-06-2016, 02:20 PM
Im interested to see what Minny does with Kevin Martin....it seems as if they've moved on from him and are wanting to develop their younger players.......so if they cant find a trade partner will they buy him out? Im sure a lot of teams would want Martin too.....but just imaging our improved spacing would do wonders for our offense

MiamiLoyal926
01-06-2016, 02:54 PM
Wait till guys get bought out

True... thankfully Wright is committed in China until march. We can monitor both the buyouts and fall back to him if all else fails.

WaDe03
01-06-2016, 03:02 PM
Im interested to see what Minny does with Kevin Martin....it seems as if they've moved on from him and are wanting to develop their younger players.......so if they cant find a trade partner will they buy him out? Im sure a lot of teams would want Martin too.....but just imaging our improved spacing would do wonders for our offense

That would be a nice pickup if they do buy him out.

Dragic/Johnson
Wade/Green
Deng/Martin
Bosh/Winslow
Whiteside/Bosh

SteBO
01-06-2016, 03:06 PM
Kevin Martin's defense is gawd awful when I've watched him, but he can spot up shoot and that's exactly what we need. We'll have to see what the other buyout options are though.

WaDe03
01-07-2016, 05:22 PM
Do yall think Riley is going to work some magic before the trade deadline or are we sticking with what we have and waiting until the summer?

Wade n Fade
01-10-2016, 02:16 AM
Either we have to trade Deng, mix up the bench, or trade Whiteside for a big with promise. I think a trade for J-Val might be something worth bringing up to Toronto.

WaDe03
01-10-2016, 03:00 PM
Joe Johnson will probably be bought out. In my opinion please do not sign him. Maybe Brook Lopez is in the trading block I would be fine with trying to get him. Ariza is also on the trading block.

3 guys I'm pretty positive won't be here after the deadline are Deng (unfortunately), McRoberts, and Birdman. A 4th player I think that could be moved is Whiteside if we're trying to make a blockbuster deal. I expect us to be looking for shooters off of buyouts and trade deadline moves. Get some shooters around Dragic Wade and Bosh and watch them go to work. They also say 3 point shooting is contagious so if we have a guy or 2 consistently knocking them down maybe Johnson Bosh Green and Dragic will also start being a little more consistent with their 3s.

AllBall
01-10-2016, 03:19 PM
Either we have to trade Deng, mix up the bench, or trade Whiteside for a big with promise. I think a trade for J-Val might be something worth bringing up to Toronto.

If we trade Whiteside it wont be for another starting center. Bosh will be playing the 5. We've won championships with Bosh at the 5. The league is playing smaller at the 5, opting for "bigs" instead of a true centers, and winning championships doing so. I think the last true center that won a championship was Tyson Chandler.

WaDe03
01-10-2016, 06:24 PM
If we trade Whiteside it wont be for another starting center. Bosh will be playing the 5. We've won championships with Bosh at the 5. The league is playing smaller at the 5, opting for "bigs" instead of a true centers, and winning championships doing so. I think the last true center that won a championship was Tyson Chandler.

I agree with this although if we did trade for a starting center I think it would be someone like Cousins who can spread the floor. I just have a feeling those Melo, Cousins, and Howard rumors were BS like they said but we'll see come trade deadline.

Don't forget Riley I think last year said the team he wants to have in 2016 is Wade Durant LeBron Bosh and Dwight lol.

AllBall
01-11-2016, 02:55 AM
I agree with this although if we did trade for a starting center I think it would be someone like Cousins who can spread the floor. I just have a feeling those Melo, Cousins, and Howard rumors were BS like they said but we'll see come trade deadline.

Don't forget Riley I think last year said the team he wants to have in 2016 is Wade Durant LeBron Bosh and Dwight lol.

I don't recall Riley ever saying that.

Slug3
01-11-2016, 10:54 AM
I agree with this although if we did trade for a starting center I think it would be someone like Cousins who can spread the floor. I just have a feeling those Melo, Cousins, and Howard rumors were BS like they said but we'll see come trade deadline.

Don't forget Riley I think last year said the team he wants to have in 2016 is Wade Durant LeBron Bosh and Dwight lol.

I am pretty sure Riley never said that at all.

WaDe03
01-11-2016, 11:58 AM
You sure? I thought I saw multiple people tweet that the summer after last.

Slug3
01-11-2016, 01:31 PM
You sure? I thought I saw multiple people tweet that the summer after last.

Maybe speculation, but with them all under contract he cant really even come out and say he wants them.

WaDe03
01-11-2016, 02:26 PM
Maybe speculation, but with them all under contract he cant really even come out and say he wants them.

Yea you're probably right. Some BS account probably tweeted it and people ran with it and started reporting it as well. That's my bad then. Basically impossible anyways.

Wade n Fade
01-11-2016, 05:55 PM
A Deng for K-Mart deal makes sense for us if we want to sacrifice a SF for a SG to add more offense. But I am intrigued with adding Joe Johnson via buyout before committing to that. I wonder if the Clips would trade Crawford/PP + asset for Deng? I would definitely take PP + another young guy or pick coming along for Deng.

WaDe03
01-12-2016, 03:01 AM
Well I'm going with us playing small ball to be honest. Let's make the right moves and get it done. We have elite defense and I think if we go small could have elite offense with shooters around Wade bosh and Dragic. Whiteside is good and I love watching him play but if he stays this summer we're going to have the same team we have now.

Slug3
01-12-2016, 01:20 PM
It seems most of us like Whiteside, but we all kind of know the NBA is moving to small ball and he is really just handicapping us. It probably would be better if he was making like 10 million or so this year as we could get someone good for him, but with his low salary we probably would have to package a player we don't really want to get rid of. but really its time to trade Whiteside.

hotdalton18
01-13-2016, 01:15 AM
It seems most of us like Whiteside, but we all kind of know the NBA is moving to small ball and he is really just handicapping us. It probably would be better if he was making like 10 million or so this year as we could get someone good for him, but with his low salary we probably would have to package a player we don't really want to get rid of. but really its time to trade Whiteside.

No lol

Just like its hard to guard small ball

It's hard for them to guard him

If we get rid of him it's cause we can't resign him

I was excited to see him vs golden state and it made me mad that he missed the game

king james
01-13-2016, 05:34 AM
I know some says it won't happen, but I believe that somehow, someway we will at least try and get Carmelo. Don't be surprised if we have to say goodbye to Winslow to get it done. We can't forget that Riley would rather go with a vet. rather than a rook. He also didn't put this years team together just to be competitive. He will try and win it all if he can get the right deals in place.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-13-2016, 09:39 AM
Im interested to see what Minny does with Kevin Martin....it seems as if they've moved on from him and are wanting to develop their younger players.......so if they cant find a trade partner will they buy him out? Im sure a lot of teams would want Martin too.....but just imaging our improved spacing would do wonders for our offense

A few teams lining up for trade talks with Martin. Grizzlies but they worry Martin picks up his player option. Grizzlies need the cap space for Conley next summer. Also my Bucks called up Wolves exploring Martin trade.

Slug3
01-13-2016, 11:03 AM
No lol

Just like its hard to guard small ball

It's hard for them to guard him

If we get rid of him it's cause we can't resign him

I was excited to see him vs golden state and it made me mad that he missed the game

Come on, I know damn well you have watched a good amount of the games this year. You see what happens when teams go small and we stay big? The double Whiteside and he refuses to kick it out and just forces it or turns it over. Then when he does kick it to the open shooter we don't make it. He really hasn't dominated anything except a few games here and there.

hotdalton18
01-13-2016, 11:30 AM
No lol

Just like its hard to guard small ball

It's hard for them to guard him

If we get rid of him it's cause we can't resign him

I was excited to see him vs golden state and it made me mad that he missed the game

Come on, I know damn well you have watched a good amount of the games this year. You see what happens when teams go small and we stay big? The double Whiteside and he refuses to kick it out and just forces it or turns it over. Then when he does kick it to the open shooter we don't make it. He really hasn't dominated anything except a few games here and there.

It's not his fault he suck at shooting

That's the GM's job to fix

And as a coach Spo has to work with...if they double you kick it out

It's easy to solve

Slug3
01-13-2016, 12:37 PM
It's not his fault he suck at shooting

That's the GM's job to fix

And as a coach Spo has to work with...if they double you kick it out

It's easy to solve

Easy to solve? See someone like Shaq and other bigs know if you are doubled you kick it out. I am sure Spo and others have told him to do this and he doesn't. there is a reason he has like 15 assists for his whole career. He is a selfish offensive player and he believes he is better than a double or ever triple team. So he would rather shoot it and miss then pass it to an open person. I feel like you have Whiteside rated way to high here man.

WaDe03
01-13-2016, 02:45 PM
When's the trade deadline?

WaDe03
01-13-2016, 02:48 PM
I know some says it won't happen, but I believe that somehow, someway we will at least try and get Carmelo. Don't be surprised if we have to say goodbye to Winslow to get it done. We can't forget that Riley would rather go with a vet. rather than a rook. He also didn't put this years team together just to be competitive. He will try and win it all if he can get the right deals in place.

I have no doubt in my mind they'll look at options for Melo. Him Wade and bosh have good chemistry and played good together for team USA. I think it could work but it just depends on who we get. Do we move 3 or 4 guys for Melo and then fill those spots with buyout options? Martin Joe Johnson (I hope not) Wright. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I think the Knicks would like to get his contract off the books and build around Kristaps and see what happens.

Slug3
01-13-2016, 04:40 PM
When's the trade deadline?

I think right after the all star break.

WaDe03
01-13-2016, 04:55 PM
I think right after the all star break.

Thanks! I'm ready for he rumors to start picking up and curious to see what Riley has up his sleeve.

Wade n Fade
01-13-2016, 06:43 PM
Dragic talk is starting now.

WaDe03
01-13-2016, 07:00 PM
Dragic talk is starting now.

What are they saying?

WaDe03
01-13-2016, 07:01 PM
Pau Taj and Noah are all on the block. Any of them worth going after. Pau is intriguing but we have a chance to get him this summer. He may be able to help this year though.

Wade n Fade
01-13-2016, 07:03 PM
As for fits, Indy, Mil, Detroit, Minny for Dragic. Rubio and pieces for Dragic works for both teams perhaps. Really don't want to deal him but let's entertain that discussion.

Mr. Baller
01-13-2016, 07:09 PM
As for fits, Indy, Mil, Detroit, Minny for Dragic. Rubio and pieces for Dragic works for both teams perhaps. Really don't want to deal him but let's entertain that discussion.

Why do we want another guard who can't shoot?!??!

Mr. Baller
01-13-2016, 07:10 PM
Pau Taj and Noah are all on the block. Any of them worth going after. Pau is intriguing but we have a chance to get him this summer. He may be able to help this year though.

Don't really need a big right now. We have too many as it is.

WaDe03
01-13-2016, 07:20 PM
Don't really need a big right now. We have too many as it is.

That's what I was thinking but if we were to get Pau someway to replace McRoberts role it would be awesome. Probably have to give up too much for him though so I'd just hold out until the summer on him and see what else is available.

WaDe03
01-13-2016, 07:22 PM
As for fits, Indy, Mil, Detroit, Minny for Dragic. Rubio and pieces for Dragic works for both teams perhaps. Really don't want to deal him but let's entertain that discussion.

Rubio hell no lol, Jennings ehhhhhh probably not, Hill or Reggie Jackson possibly, MCW no but if they're looking to get rid of Middleton I'd probably do that in a heartbeat.

WaDe03
01-13-2016, 07:23 PM
I just want a consistent sharpshooter, JJ Redick, Korver type player on this team!

Wade n Fade
01-13-2016, 08:05 PM
What are they saying?

Skolnick entertained ideas that Dragic might be that guy who can be moved because of the lack of production from the starting 5. Dragic isn't a fit on the team according to tons of guys. I think Windhorst ran his mouth about trading Dragic too. They say that his contract is nice for the new cap space increase w/ TV money, so look to entertaining a few offers.

Wade n Fade
01-13-2016, 08:07 PM
Rubio hell no lol, Jennings ehhhhhh probably not, Hill or Reggie Jackson possibly, MCW no but if they're looking to get rid of Middleton I'd probably do that in a heartbeat.

Rubio + Shabazz + Martin for Dragic and McBob would make sense for the Heat if you think about it if the finances make sense. It isn't a good deal, but it protects 2016 for sure. I think Rubio is hot trash at shooting. Reggie Jackson is the guy I thought of. As for Hill, not him. I would say that we would trade for some of their other players perhaps. Forget Middelton. He's good for Mil. I was thinking MCW.

Wade n Fade
01-13-2016, 08:08 PM
Why do we want another guard who can't shoot?!??!

Clearing Dragic's contract, getting assets back, and focusing on 2016.

Slug3
01-13-2016, 08:47 PM
We should just try and trade Dragic for Chalmers, lol.

beasted86
01-16-2016, 08:44 AM
Clearing Dragic's contract, getting assets back, and focusing on 2016.

Wth? Rubio is making the max, which for him is like $2M less than Dragić next season. How in the world does he really help 2016 cap?

He's garbage and an even worse fit next to Wade. And don't say he's younger because he stopped getting better and is far more injury prone.

Wade n Fade
01-17-2016, 11:24 AM
Wth? Rubio is making the max, which for him is like $2M less than Dragić next season. How in the world does he really help 2016 cap?

He's garbage and an even worse fit next to Wade. And don't say he's younger because he stopped getting better and is far more injury prone.

If he's a one year deal, then why not wait to clear his $ in the offseason? If not, I would try a Dragic for Rondo deal and see if the Kings are stupid enough to bite.

beasted86
01-17-2016, 02:06 PM
If he's a one year deal, then why not wait to clear his $ in the offseason? If not, I would try a Dragic for Rondo deal and see if the Kings are stupid enough to bite.

Why do you keep suggesting worse shooters than Dragić when shooting is our main problem on offense? Just curious.

Rubio is in the first year of a 4 year max contract, Rondo is a horrible fit, older, and is on a 1yr contract with no Bird Rights, meaning even if he was traded here and had a breakout to his old play like with the Celtics, he's just like Whiteside where you must use cap space to resign him to a contract. And on the other side off it, I'm not looking to salary dump Dragić for an expiring deal to clear more cap space. That's counterproductive to building a better team to me, and a waste of 2 draft picks.

hotdalton18
01-17-2016, 02:46 PM
Dragic needs to be moved for a piece that actually helps

MiamiLoyal926
01-17-2016, 04:35 PM
Dragic needs to be moved for a piece that actually helps

And what would help?

Mr. Baller
01-17-2016, 04:35 PM
I wonder how long it will take for people to realize Dragic isn't the problem

Wade n Fade
01-17-2016, 09:13 PM
Why do you keep suggesting worse shooters than Dragić when shooting is our main problem on offense? Just curious.

Rubio is in the first year of a 4 year max contract, Rondo is a horrible fit, older, and is on a 1yr contract with no Bird Rights, meaning even if he was traded here and had a breakout to his old play like with the Celtics, he's just like Whiteside where you must use cap space to resign him to a contract. And on the other side off it, I'm not looking to salary dump Dragić for an expiring deal to clear more cap space. That's counterproductive to building a better team to me, and a waste of 2 draft picks.

It's not a waste if you can trade for one of the best pure PGs in the league. Rondo avgs a double double, can get triple doubles from time to time, and can set our guys up better. I would trade for Rondo or Lowry if all it meant was giving up Dragic. You don't realize that this lineup isn't going to work anymore. The starting 5 has been questioned by the local media for the past few months. Why does Skolnick always say that Spo needs to make changes with Wade and Dragic are playing in the backcourt? It's either keeping Whiteside or Dragic. My point has always been to keep Whiteside unless you can get Cousins or Drummond.

Mr. Baller
01-17-2016, 09:26 PM
It's not a waste if you can trade for one of the best pure PGs in the league. Rondo avgs a double double, can get triple doubles from time to time, and can set our guys up better. I would trade for Rondo or Lowry if all it meant was giving up Dragic. You don't realize that this lineup isn't going to work anymore. The starting 5 has been questioned by the local media for the past few months. Why does Skolnick always say that Spo needs to make changes with Wade and Dragic are playing in the backcourt? It's either keeping Whiteside or Dragic. My point has always been to keep Whiteside unless you can get Cousins or Drummond.

Skolnick is not saying to trade Dragic. He is saying to stagger Dragic and Wade's minutes so Dragic can play more with the faster 2nd unit.

And you trading for Rondo just made all of our problems 100X worse

Wade n Fade
01-17-2016, 09:37 PM
Skolnick is not saying to trade Dragic. He is saying to stagger Dragic and Wade's minutes so Dragic can play more with the faster 2nd unit.

And you trading for Rondo just made all of our problems 100X worse

I just suggested Rondo assuming that Sac would make a bad trade like that. Realistically I don't see them doing it. I also thought Rubio had a one year deal because Minny giving him more than that makes no sense because he isn't a PG worth committing tons of $ to. He reaks of David Kahn's desparation. Not at all. I hate Rondo as much as the next guy, but you're not looking at it. I never said Skolnick said to trade Dragic. He entertained the idea on his local show a few days ago. I remember the staggering, but if you asked Windermann or Skolnick, they would say to get rid of Dragic before Whiteside.

lavilevi23
01-17-2016, 10:10 PM
We need shooters ti open up the floor for all of our slashers and Whiteside. At this poing the only consistent one is Bosh. Thats not enough. We need a killer outside shooter on this team. This team doesnt score enough...

WaDe03
01-17-2016, 10:18 PM
Need to get Wade some help after this OKC massacre. Go after Melo!

MiamiLoyal926
01-18-2016, 07:30 AM
We need shooting for sure. We cannot expect to win games if we are trading baskets when their baskets are 3s much more often than ours. That means, our fg % needs to be extremely good from within the arc or our turnovers much lower than theirs and/or our defensive stops higher than theirs.

Point is, OKC got hot from 3 in the third and we had no way to answer. Even had we traded baskets, it would have been 3's vs 2's.

Also, while we need an upgrade in shooting asap, we should not add by subtraction. By that, I mean, we cannot afford to add a need by creating another need as a result. Deng and Winslow are the problem at this point. We need a player at the 3 who can knock down shots consistently from anywhere. But if it takes any of the other 4 starters in a trade to fill that void, then we are just creating a void somewhere else. Riley has a tough decision to make and if he pulls the trigger on a trade, we will likely create a void. We are likely losing something to add good shooting. A starter, a defensive wing, depth, something. Someone is going to be traded that we will not be happy with and will result in a hole elsewhere in our lineup or needs column.

Ideal scenario is trade deng and fillers like beno, Richardson, etc. We keep one defensive wing and do not lose any other starters or depth. Reality won't be as favorable I am sure though.

Slug3
01-18-2016, 11:34 AM
I wonder how long it will take for people to realize Dragic isn't the problem

I don't think Dragic is that much of a problem. I just think he is really our only tradable asset besides maybe Deng.

beasted86
01-18-2016, 10:21 PM
We need shooting for sure. We cannot expect to win games if we are trading baskets when their baskets are 3s much more often than ours. That means, our fg % needs to be extremely good from within the arc or our turnovers much lower than theirs and/or our defensive stops higher than theirs.

Point is, OKC got hot from 3 in the third and we had no way to answer. Even had we traded baskets, it would have been 3's vs 2's.

Also, while we need an upgrade in shooting asap, we should not add by subtraction. By that, I mean, we cannot afford to add a need by creating another need as a result. Deng and Winslow are the problem at this point. We need a player at the 3 who can knock down shots consistently from anywhere. But if it takes any of the other 4 starters in a trade to fill that void, then we are just creating a void somewhere else. Riley has a tough decision to make and if he pulls the trigger on a trade, we will likely create a void. We are likely losing something to add good shooting. A starter, a defensive wing, depth, something. Someone is going to be traded that we will not be happy with and will result in a hole elsewhere in our lineup or needs column.

Ideal scenario is trade deng and fillers like beno, Richardson, etc. We keep one defensive wing and do not lose any other starters or depth. Reality won't be as favorable I am sure though.

Agree with everything you said.

But I'm clearly in the minority here in belief that a positive trade won't happen. Arison/Riley proved to be "sellers" in the trade market looking to shed salary based on the Chalmers trade.

I think it's downright impossible to give up what you suggested, AND shed salary at the same time... thus, I see no trade happening.

If they really thought they could improve the team with 1 solid trade and make a real run at the conference title this season, they wouldn't have traded Chalmers so early and avoided pursuing a key guy with the tax payer MLE the past summer.

beasted86
01-18-2016, 10:30 PM
It's not a waste if you can trade for one of the best pure PGs in the league. Rondo avgs a double double, can get triple doubles from time to time, and can set our guys up better. I would trade for Rondo or Lowry if all it meant was giving up Dragic. You don't realize that this lineup isn't going to work anymore. The starting 5 has been questioned by the local media for the past few months. Why does Skolnick always say that Spo needs to make changes with Wade and Dragic are playing in the backcourt? It's either keeping Whiteside or Dragic. My point has always been to keep Whiteside unless you can get Cousins or Drummond.

Lowry is a whole different discussion, and I'd love to have him...

But if we are instead continuing the discussion on PGs who shoot the ball worse than Dragić, need the ball more than Dragić, and both have torn their ACL and had other injuries in the past 3 years, then no... Those guards make the team's spacing much worse and don't help in any feasible way especially taking into account our deliberate approach to keep the pace slow.

On second thought, I'd love to see the trade for Rondo just so I can see him and Whiteside drag the HEAT to the worst free throw shooting team in the league by a landslide and teams pull double hack-a in the 4th quarter.

Darc Mind
01-18-2016, 11:14 PM
Anybody else think Dengs gotta go? Don't think he produces enough to warrant a place here.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 01:09 AM
I think Deng is for sure gone. If you remember the rumors before the season started they were saying if we're not at least the 2nd or 3rd seed by the all star break Deng would be traded for better help.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-19-2016, 10:19 AM
Who said that? ^

Deng's our best defender and is acting as a mentor to Winslow. It's kind of like an Aaron Rodgers to Brett Favre type of scenario. I think we should keep him, his value isn't that high anyways.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 11:26 AM
Who said that? ^

Deng's our best defender and is acting as a mentor to Winslow. It's kind of like an Aaron Rodgers to Brett Favre type of scenario. I think we should keep him, his value isn't that high anyways.

I think Skolnick and a couple others mentioned it. I've also seen where Wade has been more of a mentor to Winslow than Deng. Deng is good but he's not consistent and his defense hasn't been all that good this year from what I've seen. His contract also makes him one of our biggest trade pieces if we go for a blockbuster deal which I think we will try to do.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 11:27 AM
Riley was rumored to be looking at Melo Cousins and Howard about a month ago. I didn't want Dwight but he's been playing great lately. 36-26 last night.

Darc Mind
01-19-2016, 02:56 PM
Riley was rumored to be looking at Melo Cousins and Howard about a month ago. I didn't want Dwight but he's been playing great lately. 36-26 last night.

I dont know if Dwight would help this team contract wise. Unfortunately this team gave Bosh a max when hes 32 so he wont be moved until the contract is over and Wade will want his normal amount even though hes getting older. Deng isnt performing because the team dosent play to his strengths. Winslow will take awhile to get a decent shot. Dragic has been rough so far, dont know if he will be worth his contract in the long run. Whiteside as much as i like him, wont be here next year. Kind of odd how Riley put this team in this situation but ill still have faith he pulls something off.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 03:31 PM
I dont know if Dwight would help this team contract wise. Unfortunately this team gave Bosh a max when hes 32 so he wont be moved until the contract is over and Wade will want his normal amount even though hes getting older. Deng isnt performing because the team dosent play to his strengths. Winslow will take awhile to get a decent shot. Dragic has been rough so far, dont know if he will be worth his contract in the long run. Whiteside as much as i like him, wont be here next year. Kind of odd how Riley put this team in this situation but ill still have faith he pulls something off.

You're right I forgot about Dwights contract. That sucks. It would be nice to have a center who can score on his own if we insist on starting 2 bigs.

Slug3
01-19-2016, 03:38 PM
Man remember when Deng was out for like a week and a half or 2 weeks and our wing D was garbage? I mean I do, but it seems like some of you sure don't as you want to trade him.

WaDe03
01-19-2016, 04:37 PM
Man remember when Deng was out for like a week and a half or 2 weeks and our wing D was garbage? I mean I do, but it seems like some of you sure don't as you want to trade him.

I was with you on that but if we want to pull off a big trade he would have to be included because of his contract.

Darc Mind
01-19-2016, 06:08 PM
Man remember when Deng was out for like a week and a half or 2 weeks and our wing D was garbage? I mean I do, but it seems like some of you sure don't as you want to trade him.

Not taking anything away from his defense. Its good. But the Heat need someone that can score at will. Deng is a good player but this team is not a good fit for him with the scoring situation.

beasted86
01-19-2016, 06:13 PM
Deng is solid still, but being underused. He's basically being asked to spot up for 3s which isn't really his strength although he's still shooting an average percentage at 34%.

I'd love to get better through a trade, but I'm not expecting Arison to add salary.

But imagine if we had a more athletic and better shooting wing like Bazemore on this team.... It would make is a lot better.

Slug3
01-19-2016, 06:20 PM
To be honest I don't expect us to be player at the trade deadline and honestly look to just try and dump Birdman to get under the Taxes. I hate how Arison can be cheap sometimes, but easy for me to say when its not my money at all.

SteBO
01-20-2016, 11:30 AM
If I remember correctly, Deng put up 27 points against us when we had our 27-game winning streak snapped. The Bulls ran a scheme offensively that allowed him to play to his strengths....mid-range and slashing. He's a pretty good spot-up shooter in spots, but not consistently. He has the skill set to be an asset offensively. We just don't utitilize his skills in that way.

He's due to make $10 million this year since he exercised his option, and then become a UFA. I just don't think Miami's gonna bring him back. Winslow's the future at the 3 for us, and he's gotta develop his handles and his 3pt shot and I believe he will.

hotdalton18
01-20-2016, 11:00 PM
Gave Old Bosh a max

Gave old sucky Dragic who doesn't fit the teams style a max

Got rid of Beasley to sign a worse version of him at guard

McRoberts is a injured bum who only tries to pass 100 times in one possession

Richardson had fallen from looking good before the season

Winslow looks like he has potential at times and then looks like a complete bum at times

Whiteside although I really enjoy him as a player needs to work on some stuff...he's clearly getting better on jumpers and free throws and paint defense rather then blocks...but his all about my stats stuff is kinda of annoying and he still needs to work on passing when he gets doubled in the paint

Wade at this point will always have these nagging injuries...he was injured often as a young guy...nothing's gonna change now that he's old

Deng is slightly above average on D at this point and so up and down on offense it's insane




All we'v done these last 2 off seasons is made sure we're gonna be average as hell for a long time and made it hard as hell to rebuild


Best thing for this team would be to trade bosh , , Dragic , Deng and for cap filler and unprotected picks


Start

Richardson/Johnson/Winslow/Stokes/Whiteside

Rest Wade so he can be ready and can sign to a championship contender next year or trade him to a team of his choice(he deserves that) this year for any assets towards the future



Resign Whiteside

Hope Winslow turns into something

Build to the future

A lot of you are going to disagree with this but it's all true

We're not competing for a chip this year , we trying to scrape into 8th place again lmao

And some of you will say "we're not healthy"

Even healthy this team is average as ****

It's time to get real

Time to rebuild

Durants not coming here to save us , so we can stop that to

WaDe03
01-21-2016, 12:07 AM
We've been a lot worse since we traded Chalmers. He's killing for the Grizzlies.

hotdalton18
01-21-2016, 01:32 AM
We've been a lot worse since we traded Chalmers. He's killing for the Grizzlies.

He has something to prove now

He was garbage here as his stats show

Now he's motivated

He was in the team last year that got pick #10

Chalmers isn't make or break

This team as a whole is ***

WaDe03
01-21-2016, 12:46 PM
Chalmers led the entire league in offensive and defensive rating. I know you remember how good that second unit played together to start the season. They would blow teams out to the point that it was pointless to put the starters back in.

All-In
01-22-2016, 12:03 AM
He has something to prove now

He was garbage here as his stats show

Now he's motivated

He was in the team last year that got pick #10

Chalmers isn't make or break

This team as a whole is ***

Because stats dictate how good a player really is....I think its pretty obvious, if Rio were still here, he'd be part of our 5-man unit to close out games over guys like Winslow, Deng, TJ or Green.....That was a bad trade

I also think we should've used our taxpayer exception last summer, if not on JJ Barea than maybe on Omri Casspi or Gary Neal....Say we go after Casspi hard, like we should've done, our closing 5 when healthy could've been Dragic, Rio, Wade, Casspi, Bosh with Deng, Winslow, McRoberts, Whiteside and TJ still on the bench..that's just me though

Of course, its not my money, but the fact remains, Rio should still be here because he's a ball-mover, ball-handler, big shot taker, good defender and a really good teammate....He doesn't make or break our team but depth was our calling card when we were good earlier this season....Why **** with that?

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 12:06 AM
He has something to prove now

He was garbage here as his stats show

Now he's motivated

He was in the team last year that got pick #10

Chalmers isn't make or break

This team as a whole is ***

Because stats dictate how good a player really is....I think its pretty obvious, if Rio were still here, he'd be part of our 5-man unit to close out games over guys like Winslow, Deng, TJ or Green.....That was a bad trade

I also think we should've used our taxpayer exception last summer, if not on JJ Barea than maybe on Omri Casspi or Gary Neal....Say we go after Casspi hard, like we should've done, our closing 5 when healthy could've been Dragic, Rio, Wade, Casspi, Bosh with Deng, Winslow, McRoberts, Whiteside and TJ still on the bench..that's just me though

Of course, its not my money, but the fact remains, Rio should still be here because he's a ball-mover, ball-handler, big shot taker, good defender and good teammate


Point is he wouldn't make us a good team

We'd still be an old average , injured *** team

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 12:08 AM
Hope Winslow picks it up

Getting tired of watching Booker kill it while Winslow does nothing ever

All-In
01-22-2016, 12:21 AM
Point is he wouldn't make us a good team

We'd still be an old average , injured *** team

Thats not the point at all though.....Of course he doesn't make or break our team but he was apart of the reason as to why we were so good at the beginning of the year.......If he were still here maybe we wouldn't be as oft-injured as we are because of the additional minutes he logged compared to his replacement, Udrih....Thats the point....Why mess with something that was doing so good so early....Its like the game Jenga, take out the wrong piece and the whole thing might fall over....Why risk it?.......Saying we'd be crappy and injured anyways is just defeatist and you're not looking at scenario as a whole

ATX
01-22-2016, 12:28 AM
I'm not a psychic and besides what's done is done...But I bet anything that Winslow becomes the better player in the long run compared to Booker. We have Gerald Green, and he is doing just as good if not better than Booker. Hopefully the team can get healthy sooner rather than later...

MiamiLoyal926
01-22-2016, 07:09 AM
I am with you guys on supporting Rio... he was one of those important cogs that kept our engines running hard with the second unit. He sparked them up and came with a contagious intensity. He could also spread the floor with timely shooting. Love the jenga analogy btw.

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 01:28 PM
I'm not a psychic and besides what's done is done...But I bet anything that Winslow becomes the better player in the long run compared to Booker. We have Gerald Green, and he is doing just as good if not better than Booker. Hopefully the team can get healthy sooner rather than later...

We'll see on Winslow and Booker although Booker clearly looks better right now

But are you high as ****?

Green is doing as well as Booker or better? A guy in his prime is doing what the youngest player in the draft is doing ? Lmao

Green -11PPG ,26.5 MPG, 0.6 SPG , 0.9 APG 40% FG , 34% from 3

One of the most inconsistent players iv ever seen play basketball

Booker -9 PPG, 20MPG, 1.2 APG , 0.5 SPG , 48% Fg, 43% from 3...


All green is better at is shooting and missing a lot more shots

He's being outplayed by a kid , he's terrible

Like I said we got rid of Beasley for a worse version of him at guard

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 01:29 PM
Point is he wouldn't make us a good team

We'd still be an old average , injured *** team

Thats not the point at all though.....Of course he doesn't make or break our team but he was apart of the reason as to why we were so good at the beginning of the year.......If he were still here maybe we wouldn't be as oft-injured as we are because of the additional minutes he logged compared to his replacement, Udrih....Thats the point....Why mess with something that was doing so good so early....Its like the game Jenga, take out the wrong piece and the whole thing might fall over....Why risk it?.......Saying we'd be crappy and injured anyways is just defeatist and you're not looking at scenario as a whole


We were pretty decent to start last year to

And then ended up being a lottery team

That's what old average teams do

WaDe03
01-22-2016, 02:16 PM
Beasley isn't better than Green. There's a reason Beasley isn't in the league.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-22-2016, 02:22 PM
When's the trade deadline?

February 18. Not sure on the exact time In the past was like 2pm or 3pm eastern time. Long time ago use to be midnight.

Slug3
01-22-2016, 02:48 PM
Gave Old Bosh a max

Gave old sucky Dragic who doesn't fit the teams style a max

Got rid of Beasley to sign a worse version of him at guard

McRoberts is a injured bum who only tries to pass 100 times in one possession

Richardson had fallen from looking good before the season

Winslow looks like he has potential at times and then looks like a complete bum at times

Whiteside although I really enjoy him as a player needs to work on some stuff...he's clearly getting better on jumpers and free throws and paint defense rather then blocks...but his all about my stats stuff is kinda of annoying and he still needs to work on passing when he gets doubled in the paint

Wade at this point will always have these nagging injuries...he was injured often as a young guy...nothing's gonna change now that he's old

Deng is slightly above average on D at this point and so up and down on offense it's insane




All we'v done these last 2 off seasons is made sure we're gonna be average as hell for a long time and made it hard as hell to rebuild


Best thing for this team would be to trade bosh , , Dragic , Deng and for cap filler and unprotected picks


Start

Richardson/Johnson/Winslow/Stokes/Whiteside

Rest Wade so he can be ready and can sign to a championship contender next year or trade him to a team of his choice(he deserves that) this year for any assets towards the future



Resign Whiteside

Hope Winslow turns into something

Build to the future

A lot of you are going to disagree with this but it's all true

We're not competing for a chip this year , we trying to scrape into 8th place again lmao

And some of you will say "we're not healthy"

Even healthy this team is average as ****

It's time to get real

Time to rebuild

Durants not coming here to save us , so we can stop that to

Of course you want to resign Whiteside, the dude is going to be a black hole no matter what team he is on. In a year or 2 he will go out like Roy Hibbert is.

WaDe03
01-22-2016, 02:48 PM
February 18. Not sure on the exact time In the past was like 2pm or 3pm eastern time. Long time ago use to be midnight.

Yea you're right. Doesn't matter anymore anyways all of our trade pieces are injured for who knows how long or the severity of the injuries to Deng and Whiteside. Only asset we have left that we would even consider moving in Winslow and we have no healthy filler such as Deng McInjured and Birdman if we wanted to pull off something big.

WaDe03
01-22-2016, 02:50 PM
Of course you want to resign Whiteside, the dude is going to be a black hole no matter what team he is on. In a year or 2 he will go out like Roy Hibbert is.

Was about to say the same thing about him wanting to keep Whiteside but didn't bother lol. Having guys like Whiteside and Beasley says a lot about the type of person you are haha.

Wade n Fade
01-22-2016, 03:08 PM
Josh McRoberts makes me question his toughness. The guy never gives it ago.

MiamiLoyal926
01-22-2016, 03:23 PM
Was about to say the same thing about him wanting to keep Whiteside but didn't bother lol. Having guys like Whiteside and Beasley says a lot about the type of person you are haha.

His doomsday rant wasn't telling enough!?!?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-22-2016, 03:33 PM
Rubio + Shabazz + Martin for Dragic and McBob would make sense for the Heat if you think about it if the finances make sense. It isn't a good deal, but it protects 2016 for sure. I think Rubio is hot trash at shooting. Reggie Jackson is the guy I thought of. As for Hill, not him. I would say that we would trade for some of their other players perhaps. Forget Middelton. He's good for Mil. I was thinking MCW.

Dragic contract is terrible. Buck have interests in Lawson and Martin though. But Rockets Beverley is injured so they stopped shopping Lawson cause Bucks put in a offer and was denied cause Beverley is out with injury. Also Bucks Vasquez close to coming back so he probably was part of the deal but injured so they didn't want him if Beverley is out as well. No way Bucks trade Middleton. He's dirt cheap on new deal. Looks like a steal compared to the rumor of Lakers offering DeRozan $25M per this summer. Also Middleton been awesome lately. He usually starts season off slow and is deadly second half of season.

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 10:56 PM
Beasley isn't better than Green. There's a reason Beasley isn't in the league.

As green goes 10 for 100

Yeah ok

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 10:58 PM
Gave Old Bosh a max

Gave old sucky Dragic who doesn't fit the teams style a max

Got rid of Beasley to sign a worse version of him at guard

McRoberts is a injured bum who only tries to pass 100 times in one possession

Richardson had fallen from looking good before the season

Winslow looks like he has potential at times and then looks like a complete bum at times

Whiteside although I really enjoy him as a player needs to work on some stuff...he's clearly getting better on jumpers and free throws and paint defense rather then blocks...but his all about my stats stuff is kinda of annoying and he still needs to work on passing when he gets doubled in the paint

Wade at this point will always have these nagging injuries...he was injured often as a young guy...nothing's gonna change now that he's old

Deng is slightly above average on D at this point and so up and down on offense it's insane




All we'v done these last 2 off seasons is made sure we're gonna be average as hell for a long time and made it hard as hell to rebuild


Best thing for this team would be to trade bosh , , Dragic , Deng and for cap filler and unprotected picks


Start

Richardson/Johnson/Winslow/Stokes/Whiteside

Rest Wade so he can be ready and can sign to a championship contender next year or trade him to a team of his choice(he deserves that) this year for any assets towards the future



Resign Whiteside

Hope Winslow turns into something

Build to the future

A lot of you are going to disagree with this but it's all true

We're not competing for a chip this year , we trying to scrape into 8th place again lmao

And some of you will say "we're not healthy"

Even healthy this team is average as ****

It's time to get real

Time to rebuild

Durants not coming here to save us , so we can stop that to

Of course you want to resign Whiteside, the dude is going to be a black hole no matter what team he is on. In a year or 2 he will go out like Roy Hibbert is.

Him and Winslow are the only young guys on our team and we have no picks

And he does have talent

That's why

hotdalton18
01-22-2016, 10:59 PM
Was about to say the same thing about him wanting to keep Whiteside but didn't bother lol. Having guys like Whiteside and Beasley says a lot about the type of person you are haha.

His doomsday rant wasn't telling enough!?!?

And it's all facts

Just cause we're fans don't mean we have to be fake and pretend we're good and have been making good moves

The positive thinking is over

Spo is trash and this old team is trash

Mr. Baller
01-22-2016, 11:14 PM
And it's all facts

Just cause we're fans don't mean we have to be fake and pretend we're good and have been making good moves

The positive thinking is over

Spo is trash and this old team is trash

First off none of them are facts. They are all opinions.

For those who want Dorrell Wright - shooting 31% from 3 in China

Wade n Fade
01-22-2016, 11:19 PM
How about we try trading for Anthony Morrow? Flip Stokes because we should have a trade exception to cover the rest of the $. If not, just trade Bird and McBob for Ryan Anderson and trash. Ask UD to move into an assistant coaching spot. He doesn't belong on the roster.

Wade n Fade
01-22-2016, 11:20 PM
Can you Beasley lovers stop tweeting Ira and Ethan? Thanks. We tried him three times already.

WaDe03
01-23-2016, 12:49 AM
Rudy Gay Ryan Anderson are 2 guys I wouldn't mind. Anderson would be perfect.

WaDe03
01-23-2016, 02:23 AM
Hot dalton you were right we should've drafted Myles turner. Also joe young looks like he could be the steal of the draft the dude as of right now is better than Winslow.

Wade n Fade
01-23-2016, 11:23 AM
Hot dalton you were right we should've drafted Myles turner. Also joe young looks like he could be the steal of the draft the dude as of right now is better than Winslow.

Quit making jokes. Turner has one game vs the Warriors and you jump to a conclusion. Wait till Winslow gets his offensive game going in a couple of years. He is the real deal.

WaDe03
01-23-2016, 01:22 PM
We need shooters bad. You can tell the frustration in Wade by his actions when he kicks it out to our guys spotting up and they miss every shot. They're also getting frustrated with Green a lot lately too.

WaDe03
01-23-2016, 01:24 PM
Quit making jokes. Turner has one game vs the Warriors and you jump to a conclusion. Wait till Winslow gets his offensive game going in a couple of years. He is the real deal.

He's getting minutes now and has been playing good lately. He can actually score around the rim and would've made Whiteside moveable for someone with a lot of potential and a way cheaper contract. I'm worried about right now while Wade Bosh and Dragic are still playing good and we have a chance to actually compete.