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AI
12-07-2015, 03:17 PM
@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Mariners making progress on trade for #RedSox’s Miley.

Thoughts?

j-bay
12-07-2015, 03:21 PM
Good God I hope we get someone more reliable then Kelly ando Buchholz.

The Allen
12-07-2015, 03:22 PM
Give me Carson Smith.

GrkGawdofWalkz
12-07-2015, 03:23 PM
Get them to overpay, is all I hope. DiPoto had familiarity with him from Arizona time frame, signed for 15.25M for the next two years. One can only hope!

Celtic AL
12-07-2015, 03:27 PM
0% Its Carson Smith. Chances are Its going to be Charlie Furbush who is a DD Product. Who imo is a good really Lefty for the Pen.

AI
12-07-2015, 03:27 PM
Carson Smith and Tony Zych are names to keep an eye on.

The Allen
12-07-2015, 03:28 PM
I would love Furbish, would love Smith more.

Bo Sox Fan
12-07-2015, 03:30 PM
If you get Carson Smith back, then the Sox will be a more complete team today then they were yesterday.

The 5th spot of the rotation is the easiest to replace in house with a plethora of viable options, so losing Miley is hardly a loss regardless of the innings he ate.

homie564
12-07-2015, 03:32 PM
Miley was consistent albeit unimpressive. But I still feel we can do better than a reliever for him... Idk..

GrkGawdofWalkz
12-07-2015, 03:33 PM
Trade Miley, and sign Fister. Upgrade!

GrkGawdofWalkz
12-07-2015, 03:34 PM
Miley was consistent. But I still feel we can do better than a reliever for him... Idk..

There "should" be more pieces than a reliever coming back.

BoSox47
12-07-2015, 03:34 PM
We better not be giving up Miley for one reliever.

homie564
12-07-2015, 03:34 PM
Trade Miley, and sign Fister. Upgrade!

Cliff Lee is really a name that I'm interested in. I think he'd be a good pick up

AI
12-07-2015, 03:36 PM
Miley was consistent albeit unimpressive. But I still feel we can do better than a reliever for him... Idk..

Yup. In this specific case, a starter like Miley is easily worth more than one of SEA's relievers.

Bo Sox Fan
12-07-2015, 03:37 PM
Didn't Cherington try to swap JBJ for Furbish last offseason?

homie564
12-07-2015, 03:39 PM
Miley was consistent albeit unimpressive. But I still feel we can do better than a reliever for him... Idk..

Yup. In this specific case, a starter like Miley is easily worth more than one of SEA's relievers.

I mean theoretically we traded 2 potential very good relievers/potential starters for him last year. Hes coming off his second best season of his career, so our return SHOULD be better than that? Right? Especially with the way the SP market has played out this year...

AI
12-07-2015, 03:45 PM
Didn't Cherington try to swap JBJ for Furbish last offseason?

There were rumors but I doubt they were true.

AI
12-07-2015, 03:48 PM
I mean theoretically we traded 2 potential very good relievers/potential starters for him last year. Hes coming off his second best season of his career, so our return SHOULD be better than that? Right? Especially with the way the SP market has played out this year...

Yeah return should be better and his contract only enhances his value when you consider just how inflated ($) the starting pitching market is.

ruckus16969
12-07-2015, 03:49 PM
Cliff Lee is really a name that I'm interested in. I think he'd be a good pick up

you want a 38 yr old who hasn't pitched for 2 years?? Unless it's a minor league deal I'd pass

Fla.SticKy
12-07-2015, 03:55 PM
you want a 38 yr old who hasn't pitched for 2 years?? Unless it's a minor league deal I'd pass
x2

GrkGawdofWalkz
12-07-2015, 03:58 PM
I would give Cliff Lee an invite to Spring Training on a minor league deal. Otherwise, sorry bud.

AI
12-07-2015, 03:58 PM
#Mariners have acquired Wade Miley from the #RedSox.

Trade is official.

Celtic AL
12-07-2015, 03:59 PM
@KenDavidoff
#Mariners have acquired Wade Miley from the #RedSox.

https://twitter.com/KenDavidoff/status/673954119783161857

Done deal and now we wait...

AI
12-07-2015, 04:01 PM
Who do you guys think we got? I'm going to go ahead and say one of Carson Smith/Tony Zych and a prospect.

Celtic AL
12-07-2015, 04:02 PM
@JonHeymanCBS
Miley and aro to mariners for carson smith and roenis Elias agreed to

673955346931712001

there it is

AI
12-07-2015, 04:04 PM
@JonHeymanCBS
Miley and aro to mariners for carson smith and roenis Elias agreed to

https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/673955346931712001

there it is

Wow I actually really like Elias.

ruckus16969
12-07-2015, 04:05 PM
This is an incredible deal

ruckus16969
12-07-2015, 04:07 PM
Who is Elias

homie564
12-07-2015, 04:07 PM
Elias? Nice! Carson is filthy. I liked wade but this is awesome

Celtic AL
12-07-2015, 04:08 PM
Im shocked they got Smith! Thought he was going to be their Closer but Damn! Im Happy!

j-bay
12-07-2015, 04:11 PM
Can we say Dombrowski is the most powerful man in baseball right now?

Sportfan
12-07-2015, 04:14 PM
Smith and Elias both have 5 years of control on them too which is great.

Does Elias work in the bullpen? Start in the minors?

Bo Sox Fan
12-07-2015, 04:17 PM
In 70 innings, Smith only allowed 49 hits and racked up 92 K's.

This deal is absolutely sweet, and he's under team control for 5 more seasons.

The bullpen went from zero to hero in a real hurry. One of the best in baseball now and you could argue we have 3 closers in Kimbrel, Uehara & Smith.

AI
12-07-2015, 04:18 PM
I absolutely love this deal. Both guys are under club control until 2021. Elias has options remaining. What will be interesting to see is if they plan to use him as SP depth or as a reliever? He absolutely dominated lefties last year: 12.08 K/9, 2.15 FIP and 2.80 xFIP. Smith is the price here, he's a legit bullpen piece. Suddenly our bullpen doesn't look that pathetic anymore with Kimbrel, Koji, Smith and Tazawa to close out games. Trader Dave gets an A+ from me on this one.

Soxfan85
12-07-2015, 04:21 PM
@ScottLauber
Smith averaged 11.8 strikeouts per nine innings last year. Not eligible for arbitration until after 2017 season.

Bo Sox Fan
12-07-2015, 04:25 PM
What is Seattle thinking, lol.

Soxfan85
12-07-2015, 04:26 PM
1. Price
2. E-Rod
3. Clay
4. Porcello
5. ????

RedSoxtober
12-07-2015, 04:26 PM
Holy crap. Initially I was surprised at the deal because I thought that they might milk the winter meetings a bit to push the values up.

They were rumored to shop from their SP excess to get back an RP. Really like Smith coming back in this deal. A little surprised about Elias unless he's got options.

BoSox47
12-07-2015, 04:28 PM
I like it, I wanted a little more than Carson Smith for Miley.

Elias should at least have a chance to battle with Kelly for the 5th starter position. Carson is closer type material, really like getting him for the pen.

Tazawa/Koji/Smith/Kimbrel

Smith and koji can clearly both take over spot closing situations to give Kimbrel rest if need be.

celticsman2009
12-07-2015, 04:30 PM
1. Price
2. E-Rod
3. Clay
4. Porcello
5. ????

I'm hoping it's

Price
E-Rod
Clay
Porcello
Owens/Johnson

I'd work on a trade with Miami for Fernandez now. I'd give up Devers, Swihart and Clay/Kelly +lower level specs.

AI
12-07-2015, 04:31 PM
Holy crap. Initially I was surprised at the deal because I thought that they might milk the winter meetings a bit to push the values up.

They were rumored to shop from their SP excess to get back an RP. Really like Smith coming back in this deal. A little surprised about Elias unless he's got options.

Elias does have options. Both are under club control until 2021.

Celtic AL
12-07-2015, 04:32 PM
This is what i was hoping for. You trade a guy like Miley for a young bullpen arm whos under team control for awhile. When Kimbrel's deal is up after 2018, Carson Smith can be step in as the closer. Love it.

BoSox47
12-07-2015, 04:32 PM
I absolutely love this deal. Both guys are under club control until 2021. Elias has options remaining. What will be interesting to see is if they plan to use him as SP depth or as a reliever? He absolutely dominated lefties last year: 12.08 K/9, 2.15 FIP and 2.80 xFIP. Smith is the price here, he's a legit bullpen piece. Suddenly our bullpen doesn't look that pathetic anymore with Kimbrel, Koji, Smith and Tazawa to close out games. Trader Dave gets an A+ from me on this one.

Agreed, like the trade as well. I bet Elias/Kelly/Owens battle it out for the 5th spot with Kelly/Elias more likely to get the starting nod. The other 2 will either head to the bullpen or possibly in Owens case back to AAA.

Bo Sox Fan
12-07-2015, 04:35 PM
We probably save about $5 million this season to if there's no money changing hands.

Oakmont_4
12-07-2015, 04:40 PM
Agreed, like the trade as well. I bet Elias/Kelly/Owens battle it out for the 5th spot with Kelly/Elias more likely to get the starting nod. The other 2 will either head to the bullpen or possibly in Owens case back to AAA.

I think Elias just might be our lefty specialist. He dominated lefties last season, not so great against righties. All his scouting reports say he's poised, mature beyond his years and doesn't feel pressure.

They also say he's going to be a great starting pitcher (this was before last years struggles) so we'll see. He's got a devastating curve. Mediocre 4 seem. Slider is nothing special. He's really a 2 pitch guy. He just seems like a BP arm to me right now.

Can't hurt to throw him out in Spring training as a starter and see how it goes. But if others pitch well and he's nothing special, I could see him taking on the lefty specialist role. We'll see.

BoSox47
12-07-2015, 04:40 PM
This is what i was hoping for. You trade a guy like Miley for a young bullpen arm whos under team control for awhile. When Kimbrel's deal is up after 2018, Carson Smith can be step in as the closer. Love it.

Dont sleep on Elias. If he isnt the 5th starter, his numbers against lefties are pretty good.

MasterWok
12-07-2015, 04:45 PM
I wanted to keep Miley hes got some intensity on the mound which I like.

Sox line of thinking in my opinion was that Miley had lowest ceiling of those available. Porcello no chsnce of a trade. Dont know much about the guys acquired but I do kow "years of control" is the most overrated asset in baseball to fans. Likely an afterthought when deals are made for big markets

homie564
12-07-2015, 04:46 PM
We traded a 5th starter for an Ace reliever and 5th starter

Oakmont_4
12-07-2015, 04:48 PM
I wanted to keep Miley hes got some intensity on the mound which I like.

Sox line of thinking in my opinion was that Miley had lowest ceiling of those available. Porcello no chsnce of a trade. Dont know much about the guys acquired but I do kow "years of control" is the most overrated asset in baseball to fans. Likely an afterthought when deals are made for big markets

I think the thought process was more along the lines of...
Miley is a 5th starter of which we have many option (he's not much greater than the others)
He makes $7.5 mil per year - the guys we took back make nothing close to that
We improved our pen greatly - without hurting the starting rotation.

This trade was a no brainer. Actually shocked the Mariners did it. But I think they saw SP drying up and they need a guy to eat innings in the middle of their rotation. So they sacrificed some of their BP to sore that up early on.

Honestly a good trade for both sides - I like it better for the Red Sox though.

j-bay
12-07-2015, 04:49 PM
I'm hoping it's

Price
E-Rod
Clay
Porcello
Owens/Johnson

I'd work on a trade with Miami for Fernandez now. I'd give up Devers, Swihart and Clay/Kelly +lower level specs.
Think again

@JonHeymanCBS
according to one rival gm, price on jose fernandez is so high he is "basically unavailable" #fish

RedSoxtober
12-07-2015, 04:50 PM
I'm hoping it's

Price
E-Rod
Clay
Porcello
Owens/Johnson
I'd suggest Price, Buchholz, E-Rod, Porcello, <fill in the blank>. Go with the L-R-L combinations.


I'd work on a trade with Miami for Fernandez now. I'd give up Devers, Swihart and Clay/Kelly +lower level specs.

Well, let's see. The Marlins asked the Dodgers for a package headlined by SS Corey Seager and LHP Julio Urias. Seager was the BA #1 prospect at midseason. He debuted with the Dodgers later in the year and hit .337/.425/.561 in 113PA. While that's a SSS, his MiLB career track record .307/.368/.523. He's 21. Julio Urias posted a 2.77ERA at AA this year before getting a couple of short appearances at AAA. He's 18. The Marlins would have six years of control over each (Seager's call up came late enough that it effectively does not count with regard to team control).

So, start your package with Anderson Espinoza and Yoan Moncada and go from there. Not happening.

Soxfan85
12-07-2015, 04:52 PM
Funny how Detroit fans were saying good luck with DD destroying farm etc. All I have to say is thanks this would not have happened last year.

AI
12-07-2015, 04:55 PM
Boston getting big-time rave reviews from rival executives on the Carson Smith acquisition.
- Buster Olney


With the Red Sox, Smith likely will be one option in the seventh and eighth innings and if necessary can handle the ninth in close situations. Smith was one of the best relievers in the American League this past season, and with the Sox’s recent acquisition of Craig Kimbrel, the back-end should be difficult to navigate for opposing teams if Boston hands them a lead.

With Miley due $6 million in 2016 and $8.75 million in 2017 (with a 2018 club option worth $12 million), the Mariners do get the southpaw for at least two years at a reasonable price. If this were Elias-for-Miley, it’s be easy to understand and easy to get behind, despite my personal belief that Elias has a lot more to give with the right focus and instruction and it could happen as early as 2016. Adding Smith-for-Aro is where this hurts most, especially considering the lack of bullpen arms in Seattle. The club added Joaquin Benoit, but without Smith even the eighth innings is a huge question mark now, rather than just the sixth and seventh.

As of this moment, there is no word of any cash being involved, though for me it wouldn’t make a significant difference unless it came from Boston and nearly-equaled Miley’s entire salary for ’16.

In conclusion, I don’t like this trade for Seattle and I absolutely love it for Boston. The Sox shed a little payroll, add a useful, multi-dimensional lefty with cheap controlled years left, and a devastating right-handed reliever who also will be dirt cheap for two more seasons.

- Jason Churchill

GrkGawdofWalkz
12-07-2015, 04:56 PM
I absolutely love this deal. Both guys are under club control until 2021. Elias has options remaining. What will be interesting to see is if they plan to use him as SP depth or as a reliever? He absolutely dominated lefties last year: 12.08 K/9, 2.15 FIP and 2.80 xFIP. Smith is the price here, he's a legit bullpen piece. Suddenly our bullpen doesn't look that pathetic anymore with Kimbrel, Koji, Smith and Tazawa to close out games. Trader Dave gets an A+ from me on this one.

I agree with you here. He got good value. Works on strengthening the seams.

RedSoxtober
12-07-2015, 05:00 PM
I wanted to keep Miley hes got some intensity on the mound which I like.
I liked 200IP/yr with a league avergish ERA. That's above-average if you have a rotation strong enough to make him the #5.


Sox line of thinking in my opinion was that Miley had lowest ceiling of those available.
I believe that this deal is much more about his value in the eyes of the acquiring teams. He was pretty valuable in their eyes because of the 200IP at $6M/yr (AAV). Don't forget that the acquiring GM in this case was Dipoto -- the guy who was the special assistant evaluating the talent of the entire system.


Porcello no chsnce of a trade. Dont know much about the guys acquired but I do kow "years of control" is the most overrated asset in baseball to fans. Likely an afterthought when deals are made for big markets
This is definitely off base. When choosing to execute the Kimbrel deal, for example, DD specifically cited years of control as the motivating force behind targeting him vis a vis Chapman and others. With the price of top-talent escalating quickly, having inexpensive talent with "years of control" is extremely valuable in every market. Feel free to disagree but having Xander and Mookie earn less than $1.25M combined is what makes it possible to sign Price.

ruckus16969
12-07-2015, 05:02 PM
Well our BP is definitely fixed now. I wonder if there are going to be more moves to come?? I'd be happy going into the season with what we have

Station 13
12-07-2015, 05:06 PM
Can the season start already? Damn, I'm pumped!

Norieaga
12-07-2015, 05:24 PM
Price (L)
Buccholz (R)
Porcello (R)
E-Rod (L)
Kelly (R)

I think this ends up being our rotation. Owens for the immediate call-up if anyone gets injured. Miley will be missed but I'm liking this deal the more I read about these two relievers. Smith especially.

ruckus16969
12-07-2015, 05:28 PM
I'd like to add Sipp as well. We already we have one of the best BPs in league. Sipp would put us right up there.

Ya I'm a greedy mofo so what

AI
12-07-2015, 05:33 PM
I'd like to add Sipp as well. We already we have one of the best BPs in league. Sipp would put us right up there.

Ya I'm a greedy mofo so what

Sipp would be a luxury. We have two in-house options in Layne and Elias who dominate lefties.

RedSoxtober
12-07-2015, 05:34 PM
I absolutely love this deal. Both guys are under club control until 2021. Elias has options remaining. What will be interesting to see is if they plan to use him as SP depth or as a reliever? He absolutely dominated lefties last year: 12.08 K/9, 2.15 FIP and 2.80 xFIP. Smith is the price here, he's a legit bullpen piece. Suddenly our bullpen doesn't look that pathetic anymore with Kimbrel, Koji, Smith and Tazawa to close out games. Trader Dave gets an A+ from me on this one.

I just ran through some history on him and found that he burned option years in both 2014 and 2015 so he doesn't have more than one left. He spent all of 2013 at AA and there was no Rule V motivation to add him then or earlier so he probably has that one left. Good news IMO.

-Lavigne43-
12-07-2015, 05:47 PM
That's a damn good trade. I just hope we don't end up missing Miley's dependability.

AI
12-07-2015, 05:52 PM
@Sean_McAdam: Spoke to N.L. scout whose team had targeted Smith. Thinks Sox made a great deal. "They're gonna make it a six inning game a lot of nights."

@based_ball: Carson Smith:
5 years of control, 33% strikeouts, .512 OPS against

Ken Giles:
5 years of control, 33% strikeouts, .526 OPS against

Overwhelming reaction to the trade so far has been that we got a really good deal. Let's see if it pans out that way, I'm one of the few people on here who actually really liked Miley.

-Lavigne43-
12-07-2015, 05:58 PM
Our bullpen is potentially tremendous, but I worry about the wall Tazawa hit in the 2nd half of the season, and Koji's age. Taz no longer has to warm up every single game.

Bo Sox Fan
12-07-2015, 06:03 PM
The bullpen = Drool

BoSox47
12-07-2015, 06:09 PM
Our bullpen is potentially tremendous, but I worry about the wall Tazawa hit in the 2nd half of the season, and Koji's age. Taz no longer has to warm up every single game.

Hopefully these pick ups will help Taz's arm be able to rest more during the season. He has an insane amount of IP at the ASG it seemed.

a4anthony
12-07-2015, 07:19 PM
I would just go with Kelly as the number 5. I like having that high ceiling number 5 that can pitch like a 2 on his good days. Luckily if it doesn't work with Kelly we have the guys stashed at AAA for insurance.

AI
12-07-2015, 07:44 PM
@PeteAbe: Scout 1 on Carson Smith: “I’m surprised [Seattle] gave him up.”

Scout 2: “His stuff plays against anybody. Doesn’t get hit hard."


@ScottLauber: Many of y'all have asked about Kelly's role. Dombrowski made it clear #RedSox view him as a starter.
...

homie564
12-07-2015, 09:30 PM
According to FG, Carson was actually tied for the 4th best reliever in baseball last year in terms of WAR.

Above him were:

Cody Allen (2.6 WAR)
Aroldis Chapman (2.5 WAR)
Dellin Betances (2.4 WAR)

He was tied with Zach Britton (2.1WAR)

He was rated above guys like Andrew Miller, Trevor Rosenthal, Ken Giles, and Wade Davis (2.0WAR).


His K/9 ranked 12th among eligible relievers (11.83) and his HR/9 was tied for 3rd (0.26)

take a look at his spray charts

http://www.fangraphs.com/spraycharts.aspx?playerid=13172&position=P&type=battedball&pid2=13172&ss1=2014&se1=2014&ss2=2014&se2=2014&cht1=battedball&cht2=battedball&vs1=ALL&vs2=ALL

Most of the contact goes to shallow center and ground balls. With the type of defense we have, he should be in fair shape.


That's pretty ****ing awesome.

xnick5757
12-07-2015, 11:34 PM
I'm hoping it's

Price
E-Rod
Clay
Porcello
Owens/Johnson

I'd work on a trade with Miami for Fernandez now. I'd give up Devers, Swihart and Clay/Kelly +lower level specs.

that's nowhere close to what miami wants unfortunately.

AI
12-08-2015, 12:00 AM
Looks like Jose is the new King Felix, remember a couple of years ago when people were throwing around trade proposals for him non-stop? Difference is, Miami will trade him eventually. As much as I'd love to have him, I'm not willing to meet Miami's asking price. Any trade for Jose starts with Moncada and Espinoza and they're apparently asking for a package of 5-6 players, that's absurd.

And to be perfectly honest, Espinoza is the real deal, this kid's upside is unreal. I don't want to sabotage our future for a pitcher who will likely cost us a fortune to extend (Boras client) and has a history of injuries, too much risk. Stick to the process and be opportunistic, I like whoever suggested we go after Alex Cobb. He'd be an excellent buy-low option.

-Lavigne43-
12-08-2015, 12:08 AM
Any deal for Fernandez starts with Bogaerts or Betts. It's not going to happen and it's a waste of time fantasizing about getting him.

Vincent33
12-08-2015, 03:34 AM
DD you magnificent bastard. SP gets through 6 and its done. Shouldn't be too hard to back fill the end of the starting rotation, could fill that in house or with another FA. DD is just a monster. Unreal.

Bo Sox Fan
12-08-2015, 05:44 AM
Highly unlikely based on the return, but I wonder if dealing Miley had any connection to his dugout altercation when Farrell had to follow him back into the clubhouse earlier in the season when the team was losing.

RedSoxtober
12-08-2015, 09:44 AM
Highly unlikely based on the return, but I wonder if dealing Miley had any connection to his dugout altercation when Farrell had to follow him back into the clubhouse earlier in the season when the team was losing.

No, it had to do with the value of 200IP for $6M/yr AAV. There were multiple teams after him including the now Dipoto-led Mariners. This was about making the team better now (Smith) AND in the future (Elias).

RedSoxtober
12-08-2015, 12:24 PM
Dombrowski’s description of what the team targeted and how it approached the deal.

“What we said to people, ideally what we’d like to have is a young bullpen arm that could pitch at the big league level for us right now to give us depth and a starting pitcher that gives us more protection, that’s either ready to pitch now or real close to pitching [in the big leagues],” said Dombrowski. “We really were able to acquire what we wanted to, but if somebody would have come back with an offer that would have helped us in other ways, we’re open minded. We didn’t know if we’d be able to get this or not. Seattle looked like -- there were other clubs that had interest, we talked to other people. But Seattle was the one club, it looked like it might fit for us in that regard because a lot of people didn’t have that type of depth.”

This sort of direct approach is a hallmark of Dombrowski’s cut-to-the-chase style that netted a deal on the first day of the winter meetings. The Red Sox are now viewed as a team that wastes little time arriving at an end-point.Alex Speier

RedSoxtober
12-08-2015, 12:30 PM
Dombrowski admitted that Miley was the most-asked for among the available starters. Dombrowski made it clear to everyone he was not willing to discuss Eduardo Rodriguez. He was open to everyone else.

Teams were interested in Buchholz and Kelly. In fact, the Royals and Rangers, to name two, inquired about those pitchers.

“They asked for other guys,” Dombrowski confirmed when asked about his other pitchers. “More guys approached us on [Miley]. We listened to everyone. We weren’t pushing him. A lot of clubs had interest in Miley, but we had interest in others as well.”

...

Dombrowski said Elias, 27, would be given a chance to pitch out of the bullpen in spring training, but will likely go to Pawtucket and be a starter.

Smith, 26, had 13 saves and a 1.01 WHIP. He’s got a big sidearm motion with a good 93-94-mile-per-hour fastball and killer slider and can create a lot of swing and misses. He makes for a good sixth- or seventh-inning piece who could emerge into a bigger role if the Red Sox can no longer count on Junichi Tazawa.

“We told teams we needed a young bullpen arm that can pitch at the major league level and we needed a controllable starter who could provide depth for us,” Dombrowski said. “[Mariners general manager Jerry Dipoto] knows Miley. He pitched well for us down the stretch. And he knew we were solid with lefthanders.”

Miley showed a lot of fire in his time in Boston, but his dugout explosion against John Farrell last summer had nothing to do with this move. Miley and Farrell buried the hatchet on that one pretty quickly.Boston Globe

RedSoxtober
12-08-2015, 12:51 PM
[Miley, to be sure, is better than Elias. Elias is functional starter depth, and maybe one day he’s in the bullpen. Elias is a small-time piece, in the way that Aro is a small-time piece. Smith is the get. Smith is the kind of guy Dave Dombrowski could’ve gone out to get, if he didn’t want to pay the premium price for someone more established. Smith is a guy some teams might’ve considered as a quieter alternative to Craig Kimbrel. Dombrowski just went ahead and got them both.

...

As I think about it, I still like this more for the Red Sox. I don’t love Miley’s command, so I don’t love his chances of taking a step forward. As a mid-rotation pitcher, he’s boring, and only modestly valuable. Smith has already resembled an elite reliever, and he’ll cost nothing for years. We don’t understand reliever projections and injuries nearly well enough to say that Smith has peaked. I like what Boston did. I just see why this is also what Seattle did. It’s not insane, and it’s not unjustifiable. It’s just questionable. Unusually so, these days.FanGraphs.com

AI
12-08-2015, 01:38 PM
@NYDNHarper: AL scout here at WM says Red Sox made a "smart trade"in getting Carson Smith for bullpen: "Smith, Uehara, and Kimbrel is a strong back end."
...

bagwell368
12-08-2015, 02:04 PM
I think Elias just might be our lefty specialist. He dominated lefties last season, not so great against righties. All his scouting reports say he's poised, mature beyond his years and doesn't feel pressure.

They also say he's going to be a great starting pitcher (this was before last years struggles) so we'll see. He's got a devastating curve. Mediocre 4 seem. Slider is nothing special. He's really a 2 pitch guy. He just seems like a BP arm to me right now.

Can't hurt to throw him out in Spring training as a starter and see how it goes. But if others pitch well and he's nothing special, I could see him taking on the lefty specialist role. We'll see.

Yup, Elias is going to be groomed in AAA this year at least. If he develops maybe SP in 2 years. He's a very nice "toss in".