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beasted86
12-06-2015, 06:48 PM
12/06 - 12/12 Schedule:
NOTE: ALL TIMES EASTERN


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Miami HEAT vs. Washington Wizards
Monday, Dec 07, 2015
AmericanAirlines Arena, Miami, FL
7:30pmET
Season Series: 0-0
TV: Fox Sports Sun


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Miami HEAT @ Charlotte Hornets
Wednesday, Dec 09, 2015
Time Warner Cable Arena, Charlotte, NC
7:00pmET
Season Series: 1-0
TV: Fox Sports Sun


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Miami HEAT @ Indiana Pacers
Friday, Dec 11, 2015
Bankers Life Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
7:00pmET
Season Series: 0-1
TV: Fox Sports Sun, ESPN

SteBO
12-06-2015, 08:00 PM
I want us to win all these games, but I especially want the game @Indiana. And about the Wiz game, their bigs have been injury hit, so Hassan should really get a lot of touches.

Mr. Baller
12-06-2015, 10:20 PM
I want us to win all these games, but I especially want the game @Indiana. And about the Wiz game, their bigs have been injury hit, so Hassan should really get a lot of touches.

Gonna be a game where Hassan might not even play that much. They have been going super small with Dudley and Porter playing some 5. No idea who he can guard in that scenario.

beasted86
12-07-2015, 01:03 AM
Gonna be a game where Hassan might not even play that much. They have been going super small with Dudley and Porter playing some 5. No idea who he can guard in that scenario.

Would not be opposed to simply running a zone to keep Whiteside on the floor and daring them to shoot from the outside.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 09:45 AM
Gonna be a game where Hassan might not even play that much. They have been going super small with Dudley and Porter playing some 5. No idea who he can guard in that scenario.

Would not be opposed to simply running a zone to keep Whiteside on the floor and daring them to shoot from the outside.


Exactly

Remember Whiteside's comments after the finals ? "I wish they would try that with me"

justinnum1
12-07-2015, 10:02 AM
hard to play when an opposing team is using a 3pt shooter at the 5. thats fine, we have a lot of good guys on this team.

Dade County
12-07-2015, 12:54 PM
It would be nice if Miami can go on a 5game winning streak. But that might give them a nice 2-4 game lead over the top 5 teams in the East.

So probably want happen, but i will be hoping for that.

beasted86
12-07-2015, 03:07 PM
hard to play when an opposing team is using a 3pt shooter at the 5. thats fine, we have a lot of good guys on this team.

But the Wizards don't really have 3pt shooters, which is why I suggested that. They have Beal, Dudley and Neal. The rest you shouldn't be overly concerned with and you'd actually rather them settling for 3s and long jumpers.

I wouldn't take Whiteside out necessarily. I'd run a 4-1 zone with him and 4 smaller players.

All-In
12-07-2015, 08:33 PM
I hate how many home games we've played so far, how many teams we've faced on a second night of a back to back (Like tonight vs Washington) and how many players sat out against us.....I do like how we're playing especially on defense but Im not ready to declare us the 2nd best team in the East just yet........from Jan 8th to Feb 5th we play 14 out of 16 games on the road......so until after that stretch of road games theres really nothing to be proud of.....I hope after the Detroit and Boston losses we dont take teams lightly anymore....Lets keep on rolling and get this W!

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 08:46 PM
Bosh stop shooting you're 0-4.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 08:47 PM
Bosh super ***...Whiteside or Johnson would already be takin out of the game

Dade County
12-07-2015, 08:47 PM
Why isn't Bosh just trying to go ham in the post.. It took him 3 misses to try his ugly hook shot.

Hardaway Here
12-07-2015, 08:47 PM
Okay you guys tried to get Bosh going. It's not working let him get a go again after halftime. He doing more harm than good right now

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 08:47 PM
Whiteside bank jumper he's been working on!

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 08:48 PM
Why isn't Bosh just trying to go ham in the post.. It took him 3 misses to try his ugly hook shot.

Bosh stopped playing in the post when he came here

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 08:56 PM
Wow Spo getting smart

Takes Dragic out with bosh so we can take advantage of Dragic without Wade on the floor

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 08:57 PM
Geez wall going crazy

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 08:58 PM
Smh typical Miami.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 09:02 PM
No effort.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 09:06 PM
Wow.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 09:07 PM
This team is either really good or ****ing trash. Tonight they're trash so far.

SportsFanatic10
12-07-2015, 09:09 PM
I hate when they start poorly like this. Wiz on back to back and playing with more energy.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 09:12 PM
Our defense has been terrible tonight.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 09:14 PM
So we should let them shoot like some suggested? Lol

Hardaway Here
12-07-2015, 09:28 PM
Just cant get any stops smh

SportsFanatic10
12-07-2015, 09:28 PM
Wade doing work

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 09:40 PM
Thanks the lord for Whiteside and Wade

And thank the lord Goran has leaned how to get Whiteside the ball

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 09:41 PM
We need to play the second half how we did to finish the first half. We're the 4th best 3rd quarter team in the league so let's get a lead going into the 4th.

Hardaway Here
12-07-2015, 09:44 PM
When Wade is in we go. I can easily say he has been our most consistent player this season

archdevil84
12-07-2015, 09:45 PM
When Wade is in we go. I can easily say he has been our most consistent player this season

lol, already forgot about his 4 game slump huh?

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 09:54 PM
When Wade is in we go. I can easily say he has been our most consistent player this season

Def not most consistent lol

He's been so up and down its crazy

Hopefully he keeps this form tho

And I will say without him the offense would be beyond stale

SteBO
12-07-2015, 09:54 PM
These guys have to understand that they're probably not potent enough offensively to take possessions off on D. They'd better fix that, or this is an L.

Hardaway Here
12-07-2015, 09:56 PM
lol, already forgot about his 4 game slump huh?

No not at all. Who has been more consistent and reliable over the course of the season so far? Everyones had slumps I'm talking about overall consistentcy

archdevil84
12-07-2015, 09:59 PM
holy **** how do you not call offensive interfering

archdevil84
12-07-2015, 10:00 PM
No not at all. Who has been more consistent and reliable over the course of the season so far? Everyones had slumps I'm talking about overall consistentcy

i was just kidding, nobody has been more consistent then wade, but that doesnt mean that wade has been consistent because he has been far from it

archdevil84
12-07-2015, 10:04 PM
god there aint many sounds more satisfying then that "dwyaaaaaaaanee wadeeeeeeee" call

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:05 PM
Wade is on fire dude

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:08 PM
Green is top 5 "on fire" scorer

archdevil84
12-07-2015, 10:09 PM
green, dragic and wade have switched places with winslow, chalmers and bosh from the first 2 weeks

archdevil84
12-07-2015, 10:10 PM
if theres 1 player i also hate who is a random nobody its gary fcking neal. this guy ALWAYS kills us

SteBO
12-07-2015, 10:12 PM
^Good heavens, this dude's been riding us since late 2000s.....Gary Neal just loves playing against us.

Hardaway Here
12-07-2015, 10:20 PM
Whiteside and Wade leave game. We lose lead smh...

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:20 PM
Terrible close to the quarter. Why the **** does Winslow shoot 3s?

SteBO
12-07-2015, 10:21 PM
These Wizards sure know how to play up to the competition.....they looked so terrible against the Lakers and every other avg team and they proceed to hammer the Cavs and they're playing us well. Our defense just hasn't been there tonight.....and the moment Whiteside went out Wall and Beal just attacked the paint to end the quarter

SportsFanatic10
12-07-2015, 10:21 PM
Wade and Dragic combined for 37 points on 16/24 shooting and 15 assists going into the 4th. They've really started to play better while on the court together the last 3 games.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:22 PM
Not ready to watch the first 6 minutes of the 4th quarter since it takes them forever to put Wade back in. Down 3 and could be a lot more by then.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:27 PM
Come on Bosh.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:29 PM
I wish we could do defense to offense every okay with Winslow lol. Winslow play defense then as soon as we get the ball run the the bench while Wade or somebody runs onto the floor for the offense.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:31 PM
Why does he not put Wade in after that time out? He's too stubborn with these rotations every play matters.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:33 PM
That was for sure clear path lol.

Hardaway Here
12-07-2015, 10:34 PM
Why is Whiteside not back in

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:36 PM
Time to bring back the starters.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:38 PM
Free throws smh.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:39 PM
About to drop a game to the terrible sub .500 wizards who are missing 2 of their best players.

SteBO
12-07-2015, 10:40 PM
The Wizards have gotten nothing but jump shots, and course they're all going in against us.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:41 PM
Still no Whiteside wtf. Terrible coaching.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:42 PM
Whiteside being out this long is a joke

Hardaway Here
12-07-2015, 10:42 PM
Easy paint points when ur rim protector is on the damn bench

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:43 PM
The Wizards have gotten nothing but jump shots, and course they're all going in against us.

But people were saying we should let them shoot.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:43 PM
Switch bosh out for Whiteside

Play zone

dudeonthemoon
12-07-2015, 10:44 PM
WTF not watching the game but can someone tell me why were down by 7 but whiteside only has 23 minutes Wade at 26 injuries?

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:45 PM
Switch bosh out for Whiteside

Play zone

Nah take Winslow out he's trash tonight.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:46 PM
Whiteside's not gonna resign here

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:47 PM
We obviously need rim protection. Wtf are you doing Spo?

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:48 PM
Good job Dragic

Mr. Baller
12-07-2015, 10:48 PM
Gonna be a game where Hassan might not even play that much. They have been going super small with Dudley and Porter playing some 5. No idea who he can guard in that scenario.

This was the most obvious thing in the world

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:49 PM
I remember when someone in here told me beal sucks

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:50 PM
****

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:50 PM
These ****ing refs have been terrible.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:51 PM
Terrible coaching. Wade and dragic have their best games of the season by far wasted.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:52 PM
Gonna be a game where Hassan might not even play that much. They have been going super small with Dudley and Porter playing some 5. No idea who he can guard in that scenario.

This was the most obvious thing in the world


Because bosh covering beal is working out so much better


Whiteside is 7-7 and protecting the run awesome

And he barley gets any minutes lately with sporon

He's not gonna resign here for less money , less years , less touches , less minutes and no 4th quarters lol

Even when he's playing awesome

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:52 PM
****ing refs ****ed us right there too. Missed clear path call earlier smh

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:53 PM
Refs just ****ed us as bad as Spo lmao

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:53 PM
Another Winslow 3

Hardaway Here
12-07-2015, 10:54 PM
At least 3 calls the refs blew this ****ing game. Offensive interference, clear path, and a clear as ****ing day travel

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 10:54 PM
Layup after layup after layup. Spo is terrible off what anyone on here tries to tell me.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:55 PM
We already have Spo coach

No way we can overcome ref's ****ing us

Hardaway Here
12-07-2015, 10:55 PM
And Spo is just dumb as **** for not playing Whiteside

Slug3
12-07-2015, 10:57 PM
Here's a few things I can't get my head around. Why do we play Whiteside 23 minutes? Yes they play small, but why not actually run plays for him on the other end? Also why does Spo force Winslow in to end games when we need points and not defense? He is probably our worse offensive player.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 10:59 PM
Yep

There will people who will say "they were playing small"


But fact is they killed us INSIDE while our best inside defender sat on the bench the entire 4th

Spo is a complete idiot


Yeah we're gonna win some games

We have 5 former all stars


We went 2-4 in the finals with the best player in the world along with 2 other top 10 players

Spo is a joke , always has been

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 11:00 PM
This game has me fired up more than any. 1st place in the East and will probably get smacked at Charlotte and be out of the playoffs that fast. Terrible coaching. Winslow has been god awful yet he's still in the ****ing game shooting nothing but 3s. He's one of the worst shooter I've ever seen. Wasted Wade and Dragics best games. Wade needs to go off on Spo for being a dumbass. Lost to a team without 2 of its best players on the second night of a back to back.

We have the hardest part of the schedule coming up. It's over for us.

Slug3
12-07-2015, 11:01 PM
Yep

There will people who will say "they were playing small"


But fact is they killed us INSIDE while our best inside defender sat on the bench the entire 4th

Spo is a complete idiot


Yeah we're gonna win some games

We have 5 former all stars


We went 2-4 in the finals with the best player in the world along with 2 other top 10 players

Spo is a joke , always has been

If Spo didn't get gift wrapped that Heat team he would probably no longer be a head coach anywhere.

SteBO
12-07-2015, 11:01 PM
What you guys have to understand is that small ball is our best bet offensively.....Hassan doesn't fit that mold, but offense wasn't our problem tonight, defense was. Spo should've had Hassan in there....Wall and Beal got inside way too easily and they got clean passes off to shooters. Refs ****ed us over, but the lack of defense was the biggest problem.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 11:02 PM
Here's a few things I can't get my head around. Why do we play Whiteside 23 minutes? Yes they play small, but why not actually run plays for him on the other end? Also why does Spo force Winslow in to end games when we need points and not defense? He is probably our worse offensive player.


Exactly

I don't ask for Whiteside to create

All I ask is our most efficient scorer get a section of the play book designed for him

And when he's scoring he's way more pumped on D

But yah Spo earned his nickname tonight by not playing him in the 4th while we got killed in the paint

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 11:03 PM
This team is not legit. Until they get better coaching and come out and take care of terrible teams like the Wizards and Timberwolves we aren't going to be anything special.

Enjoy the 2 days we were the 1st seed because it only goes down from here.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 11:04 PM
What you guys have to understand is that small ball is our best bet offensively.....Hassan doesn't fit that mold, but offense wasn't our problem tonight, defense was. Spo should've had Hassan in there....Wall and Beal got inside way too easily and they got clean passes off to shooters. Refs ****ed us over, but the lack of defense was the biggest problem.

Then McRoberts should've been in for Winslow who should never shoot another 3 in his life.

SteBO
12-07-2015, 11:04 PM
This game has me fired up more than any. 1st place in the East and will probably get smacked at Charlotte and be out of the playoffs that fast. Terrible coaching. Winslow has been god awful yet he's still in the ****ing game shooting nothing but 3s. He's one of the worst shooter I've ever seen. Wasted Wade and Dragics best games. Wade needs to go off on Spo for being a dumbass. Lost to a team without 2 of its best players on the second night of a back to back.

We have the hardest part of the schedule coming up. It's over for us.
Our team is more than good enough to get through the schedule. Larger sample says we're an elite defensive team.....just wasn't our night on that end. You can't let one insignificant loss in December make you fly off the handle.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 11:05 PM
What you guys have to understand is that small ball is our best bet offensively.....Hassan doesn't fit that mold, but offense wasn't our problem tonight, defense was. Spo should've had Hassan in there....Wall and Beal got inside way too easily and they got clean passes off to shooters. Refs ****ed us over, but the lack of defense was the biggest problem.



Your right , our defense was the problem and Whiteside would of fixed that


But i disagree on the offense part

I don't see how the guy that shot 100% could hurt the offense

And how was beal or porter gonna cover Whiteside ? THEY COULDN'T

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 11:05 PM
Nice to see Wade had 26-7-9 on 12/15 shooting. Oh wait it doesn't ****ing matter because we lost to the 12th seed in the East.

Slug3
12-07-2015, 11:08 PM
What you guys have to understand is that small ball is our best bet offensively.....Hassan doesn't fit that mold, but offense wasn't our problem tonight, defense was. Spo should've had Hassan in there....Wall and Beal got inside way too easily and they got clean passes off to shooters. Refs ****ed us over, but the lack of defense was the biggest problem.

I don't care if it's Phil Jackson. Any coach should get ripped apart for leaving one of their best players on the bench the whole 4th. Oh thy go small? Just play zone and let Whiteside kill them on the other end. He was already 7/7 without us running many things for him. Why would a guy who has been dominate all year want to stay with a coach/team that doesn't believe in him to even play him the 4th?

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 11:08 PM
Yep

There will people who will say "they were playing small"


But fact is they killed us INSIDE while our best inside defender sat on the bench the entire 4th

Spo is a complete idiot


Yeah we're gonna win some games

We have 5 former all stars


We went 2-4 in the finals with the best player in the world along with 2 other top 10 players

Spo is a joke , always has been

If Spo didn't get gift wrapped that Heat team he would probably no longer be a head coach anywhere.


He'd be a film boy again

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 11:09 PM
Our team is more than good enough to get through the schedule. Larger sample says we're an elite defensive team.....just wasn't our night on that end. You can't let one insignificant loss in December make you fly off the handle.

No game is insignificant we missed the playoffs by like a game or 2 last year. We need to win the games we should like this one and fight hard and pull out some games like the thunder game.

hotdalton18
12-07-2015, 11:10 PM
What you guys have to understand is that small ball is our best bet offensively.....Hassan doesn't fit that mold, but offense wasn't our problem tonight, defense was. Spo should've had Hassan in there....Wall and Beal got inside way too easily and they got clean passes off to shooters. Refs ****ed us over, but the lack of defense was the biggest problem.

I don't care if it's Phil Jackson. Any coach should get ripped apart for leaving one of their best players on the bench the whole 4th. Oh thy go small? Just play zone and let Whiteside kill them on the other end. He was already 7/7 without us running many things for him. Why would a guy who has been dominate all year want to stay with a coach/team that doesn't believe in him to even play him the 4th?

Exactly

Whiteside will not be staying here

Oh hey Hassan

You mind taking less money , less years , less minutes , less shots then somewhere else oh and no 4th quarters lmao

Slug3
12-07-2015, 11:17 PM
Exactly

Whiteside will not be staying here

Oh hey Hassan

You mind taking less money , less years , less minutes , less shots then somewhere else oh and no 4th quarters lmao

We have played like 19 games so far this season and in 10 of them he has played less than 30 minutes. Granted 1 or 2 might have been blowouts. But still there should be zero reason why outside of injuries he shouldn't be at the 32-35 minutes a game. Or I guess foul trouble as well.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 11:19 PM
Shot 59% from the field and lost. The last time the Heat have done that? Never.

Dade County
12-07-2015, 11:23 PM
This has gone passed a cruel joke.

SteBO
12-07-2015, 11:33 PM
@Slug3 & @Hotdalton, let me rephrase. I was just explaining Spo's logic, and he's got a point. But let me be clear, Spo was WRONG to not play Whiteside. We tried to out small ball them, and failed. Hassan was 7/7, getting everything he wanted, and the moment he left the game in the third quarter, WSH reeled off 7 straight points and we were fighting up hill ever since. Spo's gotta realize that there are games where you have to force teams to match up with YOU, not the other way around. Wall and Beal were way too comfy attacking our paint for layups and drives and kick-outs to the GOAT Gary Neal.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 11:36 PM
They were driving in doing weak finger rolls. Whiteside would've sent that **** to half court while Wade and Dragic ran the floor for a layup. Great job Spo, great job.

Where's the Spo supporters?

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 11:39 PM
Dudleys plan for Whiteside in the 4th was to front him in the post lmao. Spo really is an idiot that would've been lob city to Whiteside from Wade or Dragic. That's a terrible game plan.

HandsOnTheWheel
12-07-2015, 11:40 PM
On to Charlotte.

Wade-a-minute
12-07-2015, 11:44 PM
Guys, Washington is not a scrub team... By the end of the year they will most likely be a top 5 East team. So, they are good even though they were missing guys. They were also making all their shots early on. Spo should have played Whiteside, but we'll be ok if that doesn't become a habit.

It's encouraging to see Dragic finally playing up to his contract at least. That's been the most encouraging thing the last 3 games.

Slug3
12-07-2015, 11:44 PM
@Slug3 & @Hotdalton, let me rephrase. I was just explaining Spo's logic, and he's got a point. But let me be clear, Spo was WRONG to not play Whiteside. We tried to out small ball them, and failed. Hassan was 7/7, getting everything he wanted, and the moment he left the game in the third quarter, WSH reeled off 7 straight points and we were fighting up hill ever since. Spo's gotta realize that there are games where you have to force teams to match up with YOU, not the other way around. Wall and Beal were way too comfy attacking our paint for layups and drives and kick-outs to the GOAT Gary Neal.

I feel Spo has used small ball so much that when things get tough he just panics a little and resorts back to it without trying to do as you said and make them match up to you. I mean I'm not comparing him to Shaq. But you wouldn't take a big like him out to force small ball.

SteBO
12-07-2015, 11:48 PM
Whiteside left without speaking to the media. Will speak tomorrow apparently.

WaDe03
12-07-2015, 11:56 PM
I'd leave mad too.

Mr. Baller
12-08-2015, 12:02 AM
They were driving in doing weak finger rolls. Whiteside would've sent that **** to half court while Wade and Dragic ran the floor for a layup. Great job Spo, great job.

Where's the Spo supporters?

right here.

I agree but it was obvious this was gonna happen. They weren't gonna have him guard Dudley. Having us force feed Whiteside on offense wouldn't have made them go bigger. It still would've been a layup line, even with Hassan in the game. That being said, its clear, the lineup wasn't working and he should've made a change down the stretch.

Slug3
12-08-2015, 12:12 AM
right here.

I agree but it was obvious this was gonna happen. They weren't gonna have him guard Dudley. Having us force feed Whiteside on offense wouldn't have made them go bigger. It still would've been a layup line, even with Hassan in the game. That being said, its clear, the lineup wasn't working and he should've made a change down the stretch.

I mean why not try a zone to hide Whiteside down low and from having to guard the 3?

WaDe03
12-08-2015, 12:14 AM
right here.

I agree but it was obvious this was gonna happen. They weren't gonna have him guard Dudley. Having us force feed Whiteside on offense wouldn't have made them go bigger. It still would've been a layup line, even with Hassan in the game. That being said, its clear, the lineup wasn't working and he should've made a change down the stretch.

Dudley wasn't on fire or anything from what I saw but I could be wrong. At least Whiteside could've had a hand up. There's nothing Dudley could've done from stopping Whiteside on the other end. I'm not talking about clearing it out for him I'm saying by Wade and Dragics dribble penetration and dump offs or lobs. He planned on fronting Whiteside which would've been a terrible decision. I'm very positive we would've won this game with Whiteside protecting the rim in the 4th. Oh well just another bad loss to add on to the year when we need to be looking to get separation for the 1st seed while Kyrie is out and the Cavs are struggling. This will be the common trend when it comes to Whiteside this year though unfortunately. I highly doubt he comes back if that's the case. They plan on letting him walk and bringing in Durant or LeBron or something but I doubt it happens.

hotdalton18
12-08-2015, 12:29 AM
@Slug3 & @Hotdalton, let me rephrase. I was just explaining Spo's logic, and he's got a point. But let me be clear, Spo was WRONG to not play Whiteside. We tried to out small ball them, and failed. Hassan was 7/7, getting everything he wanted, and the moment he left the game in the third quarter, WSH reeled off 7 straight points and we were fighting up hill ever since. Spo's gotta realize that there are games where you have to force teams to match up with YOU, not the other way around. Wall and Beal were way too comfy attacking our paint for layups and drives and kick-outs to the GOAT Gary Neal.

Oh yeah for sure

I get trying small ball

But it's failed a few times

I think not just this game but others to

If we play zone We can still stop teams at least okish

But on the other end...nobody 6'7 and under is even gonna have a chance to guard Whiteside

beasted86
12-08-2015, 12:41 AM
Was unable to watch the game tonight.

Box score shows bench guys all in negative plus minus. Johnson seemed ghost.

Also seemed like they allowed themselves to be forced to play small which is never a good thing. Should have zoned and let Whiteside dismantle them on offense and the boards.

Dade County
12-08-2015, 01:06 AM
Exactly

Whiteside will not be staying here

Oh hey Hassan

You mind taking less money , less years , less minutes , less shots then somewhere else oh and no 4th quarters lmao

We have played like 19 games so far this season and in 10 of them he has played less than 30 minutes. Granted 1 or 2 might have been blowouts. But still there should be zero reason why outside of injuries he shouldn't be at the 32-35 minutes a game. Or I guess foul trouble as well.

Whiteside doesn't understand the inner workings behind the scenes yet.

If Pat can package him & Winslow for a star player he might pull the trigger...

I only say this because Whiteside isn't going to no how to handle this all season long. Whiteside knows that if he would have gotten a chance to pal in the 4th, Miami could have won.

Pat one day will have to talk with him in private (maybe Wade can be there too); and let him know how the league works (thats only if they plan on keeping Whiteside) .

WaDe03
12-08-2015, 01:44 AM
Whiteside doesn't understand the inner workings behind the scenes yet.

If Pat can package him & Winslow for a star player he might pull the trigger...

I only say this because Whiteside isn't going to no how to handle this all season long. Whiteside knows that if he would have gotten a chance to pal in the 4th, Miami could have won.

Pat one day will have to talk with him in private (maybe Wade can be there too); and let him know how the league works (thats only if they plan on keeping Whiteside) .

Is anything in the NBA not rigged?

AllBall
12-08-2015, 02:18 AM
I don't always critize Spo, but when I do, he coached like a moron. Stay thirsty my friends.

Benching Whiteside was a bad move. We have to play to our strength and talents. We do not have a lineup built for speed and 3 point shooting. That's not our style. I can't believe Spo fell for the trap. Props to the Randy Wittman, I guess after all the previous meetings since pre-season he figured out how to fool Spoelstra.

You have to ride and die with your best lineup. If we would have lost with Whiteside out there, fine, but I sure as hell know we would have kept them under 100 pts.

I don't care about the refs at the end, we shouldn't have been in that position to begin with.


I hate how many home games we've played so far, how many teams we've faced on a second night of a back to back (Like tonight vs Washington) and how many players sat out against us.....I do like how we're playing especially on defense but Im not ready to declare us the 2nd best team in the East just yet........from Jan 8th to Feb 5th we play 14 out of 16 games on the road......so until after that stretch of road games theres really nothing to be proud of.....I hope after the Detroit and Boston losses we dont take teams lightly anymore....

I agree with this.


Whiteside's not gonna resign here

If he doesn't this is the game we can point to. He didn't talk to the media after the game, I'm sure he is livid.


This was the most obvious thing in the world

Despite that, the few teams in the leauge with true centers don't pull them (Demarcus, Dwight, Gasol) and Whiteside is quicker than them. You force the opposing team to match up, even if you have a bad stretch you have to hold to your gameplan.


Here's a few things I can't get my head around. Why do we play Whiteside 23 minutes? Yes they play small, but why not actually run plays for him on the other end? Also why does Spo force Winslow in to end games when we need points and not defense? He is probably our worse offensive player.

I agree. I love Winslow, but he is a HORRIBLE shooter. He didn't make a single practice shot when I was at the game last week.


Guys, Washington is not a scrub team... By the end of the year they will most likely be a top 5 East team. So, they are good even though they were missing guys. They were also making all their shots early on. Spo should have played Whiteside, but we'll be ok if that doesn't become a habit.

It's encouraging to see Dragic finally playing up to his contract at least. That's been the most encouraging thing the last 3 games.

Sure, at the end of the season, but they were off to a bad start and I don't think they've turned the corner. We needed to win this game. Our schedule gets tougher and then we have a BRUTAL January schedule up to the All-Star break.


This will be the common trend when it comes to Whiteside this year though unfortunately. I highly doubt he comes back if that's the case. They plan on letting him walk and bringing in Durant or LeBron or something but I doubt it happens.

Getting Lebron? WTF. Not a snowball's chance in hell. BTW, I'm convinced Lebron hates Miami's fans. He's only buddy buddy with players.


Whiteside doesn't understand the inner workings behind the scenes yet.

If Pat can package him & Winslow for a star player he might pull the trigger...

I only say this because Whiteside isn't going to no how to handle this all season long. Whiteside knows that if he would have gotten a chance to pal in the 4th, Miami could have won.

Pat one day will have to talk with him in private (maybe Wade can be there too); and let him know how the league works (thats only if they plan on keeping Whiteside) .

HEAT HAVE NO LEVERAGE TO DO THAT!!! Whiteside has all the negotiating leverage. We can't trade him. He can walk. We get nothing. He gets paid. End of story.

Slug3
12-08-2015, 02:24 AM
I don't always critize Spo, but when I do, he coached like a moron. Stay thirsty my friends.

Benching Whiteside was a bad move. We have to play to our strength and talents. We do not have a lineup built for speed and 3 point shooting. That's not our style. I can't believe Spo fell for the trap. Props to the Randy Wittman, I guess after all the previous meetings since pre-season he figured out how to fool Spoelstra.

You have to ride and die with your best lineup. If we would have lost with Whiteside out there, fine, but I sure as hell know we would have kept them under 100 pts.

I don't care about the refs at the end, we shouldn't have been in that position to begin with.



I agree with this.



If he doesn't this is the game we can point to. He didn't talk to the media after the game, I'm sure he is livid.



Despite that, the few teams in the leauge with true centers don't pull them (Demarcus, Dwight, Gasol) and Whiteside is quicker than them. You force the opposing team to match up, even if you have a bad stretch you have to hold to your gameplan.



I agree. I love Winslow, but he is a HORRIBLE shooter. He didn't make a single practice shot when I was at the game last week.



Sure, at the end of the season, but they were off to a bad start and I don't think they've turned the corner. We needed to win this game. Our schedule gets tougher and then we have a BRUTAL January schedule up to the All-Star break.



Getting Lebron? WTF. Not a snowball's chance in hell. BTW, I'm convinced Lebron hates Miami's fans. He's only buddy buddy with players.



HEAT HAVE NO LEVERAGE TO DO THAT!!! Whiteside has all the negotiating leverage. We can't trade him. He can walk. We get nothing. He gets paid. End of story.

Well we can trade Whiteside. But for like a 1 million dollar play and no super star. Even combing him
And Winslow we won't even get a MLE player. So not even worth it.

Mr. Baller
12-08-2015, 11:46 AM
Last time Spo actually really cost us a game (not every time we lose like you all try to believe) was against Cleveland the first time. He made the adjustment after that by staggering the rotation.

Lets see how he adjusts the rotation when teams go super small again. Charlotte is without Al Jefferson, so they will go small, lets see how Spo reacts

Hardaway Here
12-08-2015, 02:18 PM
Last time Spo actually really cost us a game (not every time we lose like you all try to believe) was against Cleveland the first time. He made the adjustment after that by staggering the rotation.

Lets see how he adjusts the rotation when teams go super small again. Charlotte is without Al Jefferson, so they will go small, lets see how Spo reacts

Only loss I blamed on Spo this season was this one. Its like he just completely ignored what went on in the 3rd quarter with Wade and Whiteside on the floor together. You know when we took the lead and held it before they were sent to the bench

justinnum1
12-08-2015, 02:39 PM
it was the right call. you want whiteside covering dudley at the 3pt line? only an idiot would do that.

You want whiteside playing over bosh? that's even dumber

AllBall
12-08-2015, 02:53 PM
F you Spo! I'm still pissed! :mad:

Slug3
12-08-2015, 03:36 PM
it was the right call. you want whiteside covering dudley at the 3pt line? only an idiot would do that.

You want whiteside playing over bosh? that's even dumber

Or just play a 3-2 or a 1-2-2 zone defense to cover the shooters since they had no big men at all. I don't see why this is not getting brought up at all and its like since its the NBA it stupid to play zone. Its not.

WaDe03
12-08-2015, 04:46 PM
it was the right call. you want whiteside covering dudley at the 3pt line? only an idiot would do that.

You want whiteside playing over bosh? that's even dumber

It was a terrible decision any way you look at it. Can Dudley guard a Wade or Dragic lob to Whiteside? Absolutely not. I'll take a Whiteside dunk over a Dudley contested by Whiteside 3 any day. Whiteside was 7-7 from the field with 3 blocks and we got up by 8 in the 3rd with him in but our bench was ****** and gave up the lead. Spo is a dumbass.

justinnum1
12-08-2015, 05:05 PM
It was a terrible decision any way you look at it. Can Dudley guard a Wade or Dragic lob to Whiteside? Absolutely not. I'll take a Whiteside dunk over a Dudley contested by Whiteside 3 any day. Whiteside was 7-7 from the field with 3 blocks and we got up by 8 in the 3rd with him in but our bench was ****** and gave up the lead. Spo is a dumbass.

Says the guy sitting behind his computer on a bb forum...even the analysts agreed you play bosh at the 5 there.

SteBO
12-08-2015, 05:11 PM
Says the guy sitting behind his computer on a bb forum...even the analysts agreed you play bosh at the 5 there.
Listening to Ethan Sckolnick right now.....apparently Randy Whittman knew Spo likes going small anyway, and he was practically daring (I'm implying here) Spo to put Hassan back in the game. But that's the problem. Teams right now are dictating what Spo does, and that's never a good thing. Guess I should be putting more onus on Bosh anyway, considering Dudley was in at the 5 and Bosh did nothing to make WSH pay for that. He loved shooting the j's.....

WaDe03
12-08-2015, 06:26 PM
Says the guy sitting behind his computer on a bb forum...even the analysts agreed you play bosh at the 5 there.

On my phone actually but that was a good one. I'm not saying play Whiteside over Bosh im saying play both of them obviously. That lineup got us an 8 point lead it's just common sense. Like I said it was a terrible decision anyway you look at it. We had the 2nd most efficient night of the season for any team in the league last night and lost because we kept giving up layups. That wouldn't have happened with Whiteside in there.

WaDe03
12-08-2015, 06:27 PM
Spo got out coached and basically punked by Wittman last night by playing the way Wittman wanted him to. I don't even think Wittman is that good of a coach. Embarrassing.

justinnum1
12-08-2015, 06:57 PM
Listening to Ethan Sckolnick right now.....apparently Randy Whittman knew Spo likes going small anyway, and he was practically daring (I'm implying here) Spo to put Hassan back in the game. But that's the problem. Teams right now are dictating what Spo does, and that's never a good thing. Guess I should be putting more onus on Bosh anyway, considering Dudley was in at the 5 and Bosh did nothing to make WSH pay for that. He loved shooting the j's.....

spo messed up on the gameplan. but this was a winnable game, tie game then 2 miami turnovers and a bad call later we lose.

Mr. Baller
12-08-2015, 09:22 PM
Listening to Ethan Sckolnick right now.....apparently Randy Whittman knew Spo likes going small anyway, and he was practically daring (I'm implying here) Spo to put Hassan back in the game. But that's the problem. Teams right now are dictating what Spo does, and that's never a good thing. Guess I should be putting more onus on Bosh anyway, considering Dudley was in at the 5 and Bosh did nothing to make WSH pay for that. He loved shooting the j's.....

Well yeah he dared Spo to put Hassan in because he WANTED Hassan in there.

SteBO
12-08-2015, 11:15 PM
Well yeah he dared Spo to put Hassan in because he WANTED Hassan in there.
Okay, and? That's my whole point. Believe me, I understand Spo's logic, but at some point you have force the opposition into changes to adjust to YOU. Personally, I'll take my chances with Dudley shooting 3's if it means I'm getting easy scores inside trip after trip, and making the drive & kick game more difficult for the opposition. That's just me though. Anyway, as justin said, we had our chances, and our starting backcourt had 2 costly turnovers. The end. On to Charlotte, NC.....

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 12:29 AM
it was the right call. you want whiteside covering dudley at the 3pt line? only an idiot would do that.

You want whiteside playing over bosh? that's even dumber


Otto porter was in the game

We can play zone and still play decent defense

No matter what they did , NOBODY on the floor would of been able to cover Whiteside

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 12:30 AM
Listening to Ethan Sckolnick right now.....apparently Randy Whittman knew Spo likes going small anyway, and he was practically daring (I'm implying here) Spo to put Hassan back in the game. But that's the problem. Teams right now are dictating what Spo does, and that's never a good thing. Guess I should be putting more onus on Bosh anyway, considering Dudley was in at the 5 and Bosh did nothing to make WSH pay for that. He loved shooting the j's.....

Well yeah he dared Spo to put Hassan in because he WANTED Hassan in there.


Right

Cause he wanted Dudley covering Whiteside under the basket lol

Mr. Baller
12-09-2015, 09:14 AM
Right

Cause he wanted Dudley covering Whiteside under the basket lol

He specifically said he wanted Hassan in the game, knowing that he wouldn't guard the 3 point line and the Wizards could them kill the Heat in transition

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 10:12 AM
Right

Cause he wanted Dudley covering Whiteside under the basket lol

He specifically said he wanted Hassan in the game, knowing that he wouldn't guard the 3 point line and the Wizards could them kill the Heat in transition


Hassan is fast in transition

And again tell me who would cover Whiteside

Slug3
12-09-2015, 10:58 AM
He specifically said he wanted Hassan in the game, knowing that he wouldn't guard the 3 point line and the Wizards could them kill the Heat in transition

If you make your shots then there is no chance for them to even be in transition.

But I mean if we are just going to keep one of our best players on the bench, then why even look to keep him next year then? I mean we clearly don't value him.

Mr. Baller
12-09-2015, 01:16 PM
Hassan is fast in transition

And again tell me who would cover Whiteside

No he isn't.

And they would just double team him since he doesn't know how to pass, and if we run post plays for him he is the 2nd worst in the league in post up plays. Yes, I know that he scores off the penetration from Dragic and Wade, but based on what you are saying it sounds like you wanted them to give him the ball in the post and go to work.

AllBall
12-09-2015, 02:16 PM
All reports showing that Heat team with Hassan did heavy practices past 2 days with a focus on defending against guard lineups and guarding perimeter.

This pleases me.

archdevil84
12-09-2015, 07:42 PM
lets see if we can drag out a win here. wade usually plays like garbage vs the hornets i feel so hopefully he's on tonight. Also, good to see deng back and playing

archdevil84
12-09-2015, 08:16 PM
bad start already. wade not on the mark

SportsFanatic10
12-09-2015, 08:18 PM
The Heat always seem to get off to brutal starts every game. It gets frustrating to watch :bang:

HandsOnTheWheel
12-09-2015, 08:25 PM
Defense looking pedestrian early on..

Slug3
12-09-2015, 08:26 PM
Why are we always getting off to bad starts? I mean its just about literally every single game. Are we not prepared enough or something? What is the coaching staff doing? Or are we really just old and slow that we get off to slow starts? I mean it really seems like its 75% of the time.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:30 PM
Can we stop throwing it to Whiteside in the post every time. He looks terrible down there.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:33 PM
Nice down 10 early. Starting to look like the Detroit game. If this is how were going to play every road game we might as well just tank.

Slug3
12-09-2015, 08:33 PM
Losing the assist/TO/Steal/FG% battle and seem to not be stopping the 3. I just don't see this team staying a top seed in this packed east. We are not good at anything at the moment. And it could be time to actually reduce or limit Winslows minutes if he keeps playing this great on offense.

Slug3
12-09-2015, 08:35 PM
Can we stop throwing it to Whiteside in the post every time. He looks terrible down there.

Its like they don't know how to run plays for a big man on the post and just toss him the ball and say "good luck". A good amount of this coaching staff was on this team when Shaq was here, how do they not know how to work with a big man?

Slug3
12-09-2015, 08:40 PM
Also I have been on the Whiteside needs to play bandwagon, but the dude needs to understand he can pass out of the post. He doesn't need to be a ball hog and force up bad shots. If he cant developer that then I don't think he should be getting the ball on the post.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:41 PM
Its like they don't know how to run plays for a big man on the post and just toss him the ball and say "good luck". A good amount of this coaching staff was on this team when Shaq was here, how do they not know how to work with a big man?

A lot of it is also on Whiteside though. He's gotten good position but the other team knows he's always going to shoot so they could send all 5 guys at him if they wanted to. He's gotten the recognition he's had lately by blocking shots rebounding and catching lobs and dump off passes for dunks. He needs to stick to just those things that's when he's at his best.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:43 PM
Damn Winslow can't play D anymore?

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:44 PM
God damn how do you leave shooters open every play.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:45 PM
Well it's over that didn't take long at all. This team definitely isn't legit and our upcoming schedule is going to **** on us. 6th seed at the very best it's looking like.

SteBO
12-09-2015, 08:47 PM
Our defense looks a step slow....and the Hornets are now 7-11 on 3s. It's becoming a pattern that'll prevent us from doing anything of relevance.

archdevil84
12-09-2015, 08:47 PM
down 15...

Slug3
12-09-2015, 08:48 PM
We are honestly a fringe playoff team and have gotten lucky to begin the year with a lot of home games and playing teams without their players. Unless we get another mega star I don't see anything changing in our future. Whiteside doesn't propel this team into greatness. Maybe if Wade was 5 years younger. Bosh is at best a 2nd or 3rd option, and we have no offense scheme we can run. When teams break down our defense its pretty much over. I still feel if we never got Lebron Spo would not be our coach anymore.

archdevil84
12-09-2015, 08:48 PM
18

HandsOnTheWheel
12-09-2015, 08:48 PM
Nothing has changed coming out of the timeout.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:48 PM
Keep shooting Marvin we're going to let you shoot as many open 3s as you want.

Slug3
12-09-2015, 08:54 PM
Nothing has changed coming out of the timeout.

I am not sure what you want Spo to change? He doesn't know how to draw up anything offensively.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:54 PM
Teams come out ready to play against us while we come up lazy every game. That's just the way it is. Spo doesn't get his players ready for games. We are going to probably lose by 30 tonight and Friday in Indiana.

Slug3
12-09-2015, 08:56 PM
Teams come out ready to play against us while we come up lazy every game. That's just the way it is. Spo doesn't get his players ready for games. We are going to probably lose by 30 tonight and Friday in Indiana.

We will of course have a few people who doesn't blame Spo and will instead blame players (who hold some blame) as they don't think Spo can do wrong.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:57 PM
They are playing with so much more effort than us right now lol. This team is a joke.

SteBO
12-09-2015, 08:58 PM
Got better things to do than to not only watch this trash and subsequently talk a lot of you off the ledge. All this talk about "fringe playoff team" that I'm reading in here is alarming......an 82 game regular season will have some ups and downs. A lot of teams are going through it, including OKC, CLE. The only team that hasn't yet is GS. Relax....it's December.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 08:59 PM
Take these dumbass black tie jerseys off too these things were a curse last year we won like 1 game in them.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:01 PM
Dragic getting killed by a quicker PG? Who would've thought?

HandsOnTheWheel
12-09-2015, 09:04 PM
Got better things to do than to not only watch this trash and subsequently talk a lot of you off the ledge. All this talk about "fringe playoff team" that I'm reading in here is alarming......an 82 game regular season will have some ups and downs. A lot of teams are going through it, including OKC, CLE. The only team that hasn't yet is GS. Relax....it's December.

Summed up perfectly. Got to have at least an ounce of confidence in your team as a fan.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:05 PM
If only we came prepared every game like we did OKC. I figured this team would be fired up after giving away a game to the Wizards last game but I guess I was wrong.

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 09:10 PM
Wade
Dragic
Bosh

All getting big pay days


All with a ****ing TERRIBLE 1st halfs

Dragic has a couple good games now right back to dog **** Dragic

Bosh is just annoying....turning into Mario....good game....bad game...good game...bad game

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:13 PM
From 1st place to 5th place in 2 games. Let the free fall continue!

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:16 PM
3s for everybody! Except us obviously.

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 09:17 PM
We can come back but we gotta have a lot more energy

This **** is so annoying to watch

Starting to feel like the 76ers with all these halfs we get blown out in

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:18 PM
I told you Marvin! Keep shooting.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:24 PM
Smfh green.

HandsOnTheWheel
12-09-2015, 09:25 PM
Green has got to be the most frustrating player on this team.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:25 PM
Terrible call.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:27 PM
Batum already about to have a triple double.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:28 PM
I'm so confused as to why Bosh makes over 20 million a year.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:29 PM
Whiteside travels so damn much. Why do we keep feeding him in the post?

beasted86
12-09-2015, 09:31 PM
Entire team has been hot garbage tonight

beasted86
12-09-2015, 09:32 PM
I knew this "top ranked defense" would eventually fall back down to Earth

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:32 PM
We need a coach that demands more from his players. Especially to start games. It's been a common trend for years that we pick and choose which games we want to come out and play focused this year and which games we don't really give a **** about. At least when we did it in the big 3 era we could always finish with the 1st seed. Now when we do it we don't make the playoffs like last year and as for this year who knows what will happen.

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 09:37 PM
Spo needs help being a motivator

He can't do anything about all the players being dog **** tonight but he could get in there *** and tell them how there playing

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 09:39 PM
Everybody welcome on to the floor

Yourrrrrrrrrrrr MIAMI 76ers!!!!

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:41 PM
This team acts like they're entitled to something lol. They're trash. A team with this much talent will be a wasted season because our players and coaches don't have the right mind set. Come out ready to play every game like its OKC or the Cavs and things will go good. Come out and not have any effort and play like we're too good to be playing some of these teams and look at this game and the Detroit game.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:43 PM
Friday is going to be ugly. Why do I watch this ****?

archdevil84
12-09-2015, 09:44 PM
lol were almost down by 30

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:46 PM
I never want to see Winslow shoot another 3 in my life.

beasted86
12-09-2015, 09:46 PM
Seriously though.. What's with this line-up? It's like Spo trying to throw crap at the wall and see if it sticks.

beasted86
12-09-2015, 09:48 PM
I never want to see Winslow shoot another 3 in my life.
Richardson is way worse. His shot is totally garbage. Should be ashamed to be called an NBA player with that motion.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:48 PM
Winslow D has been pretty good but he's such a liability on offense that it cancels it out in my opinion. Teams literally don't have to guard him at all especially when he's on the perimeter. Also when he drives he's not that good of a finisher.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:49 PM
Richardson is way worse. His shot is totally garbage. Should be ashamed to be called an NBA player with that motion.

His form definitely is bad but idk if I've ever seen a player be as bad of a shooter as Winslow is. He doesn't care though because he keeps chucking lol.

Wade-a-minute
12-09-2015, 09:50 PM
This team will be rough to watch during that January road game stretch...

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:51 PM
They're clowning us now by putting Batum in so he could get that triple double then taking him out as soon as he got it. Teams don't even have to worry about beating us they just have to worry about getting their stats up. If they play hard and aggressive they'll beat us.

beasted86
12-09-2015, 09:51 PM
Winslow D has been pretty good but he's such a liability on offense that it cancels it out in my opinion. Teams literally don't have to guard him at all especially when he's on the perimeter. Also when he drives he's not that good of a finisher.

I hate to give so much credit to a player shooting under 40% even now... But the unit just worked way better with Chalmers. With Chalmers and Johnson in there they could both shoot it and it offset Winslow better.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:51 PM
This team will be rough to watch during that January road game stretch...

We will be out of the playoffs by then I'm calling it now.

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 09:56 PM
Seriously though.. What's with this line-up? It's like Spo trying to throw crap at the wall and see if it sticks.

He figured we already lost lol

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 09:58 PM
If we finish top 10 worst teams do we even get our pick? Lmao

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 09:59 PM
I hate to give so much credit to a player shooting under 40% even now... But the unit just worked way better with Chalmers. With Chalmers and Johnson in there they could both shoot it and it offset Winslow better.

He's been killing in Memphis too. That trade definitely made us worse. It's time to look for a trade to make us better in my opinion.

Slug3
12-09-2015, 10:08 PM
Got better things to do than to not only watch this trash and subsequently talk a lot of you off the ledge. All this talk about "fringe playoff team" that I'm reading in here is alarming......an 82 game regular season will have some ups and downs. A lot of teams are going through it, including OKC, CLE. The only team that hasn't yet is GS. Relax....it's December.

I get what you are saying. But we have had like 12/13 home games compared to 5 or so road games. Have played a lot of teams without one of their best players. There is a lot to worry about. Especially when we have the time where we have 12 of 13 games on the road.

SteBO
12-09-2015, 10:13 PM
He's been killing in Memphis too. That trade definitely made us worse. It's time to look for a trade to make us better in my opinion.
I have no doubts in my mind that a trade will happen by the deadline.

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 10:21 PM
I have no doubts in my mind that a trade will happen by the deadline.

It definitely should. Started a new roster speculation thread but rumors are the Pelicans wouldn't mind parting ways with Ryan Anderson. He would add much needed 3 point shooting and a lineup with both him and Bosh in the game would open the floor so much for penetrators.

As frustrating as these losses are you are right in your previous post that the season is long and there will be ups and downs. At the end of the day if we win Friday (which is possible but probably won't happen) we will be the 2nd seed and be like 1 or 2 games out of the 1st seed.

AllBall
12-09-2015, 10:44 PM
I get what you are saying. But we have had like 12/13 home games compared to 5 or so road games. Have played a lot of teams without one of their best players. There is a lot to worry about. Especially when we have the time where we have 12 of 13 games on the road.

I've been thinking the same thing. We've had an easy schedule, played teams without star players and been at home. The East is tougher. The cohesion of our lineup is questionable. We can't match up with a either a 3pt, or small, or fast opponent.

Out of our vets, I think Wade is playing to the level expected, everyone else is not. At least with Wade you go in with the mindset that ok, he's older, any game he plays and gives you a good game is fine, he'll have bad nights, he'll have some DNPs, we'll rest him for the playoffs. Now the rest of the vets, WTF is the excuse? Bosh, not putting the team on his back like his contract would indicate. Dragic playing like a VET minimum player. Josh McRoberts playing like Ronald McDonald. Green can't hit the long side of a barn.

We need a change. Dragic off the bench....Amare/Birdman/UD as the backup big. Something.

Dade County
12-09-2015, 11:07 PM
I have no doubts in my mind that a trade will happen by the deadline.


Before the Christmas day game, it will happen.

hotdalton18
12-09-2015, 11:08 PM
I get what you are saying. But we have had like 12/13 home games compared to 5 or so road games. Have played a lot of teams without one of their best players. There is a lot to worry about. Especially when we have the time where we have 12 of 13 games on the road.

I've been thinking the same thing. We've had an easy schedule, played teams without star players and been at home. The East is tougher. The cohesion of our lineup is questionable. We can't match up with a either a 3pt, or small, or fast opponent.

Out of our vets, I think Wade is playing to the level expected, everyone else is not. At least with Wade you go in with the mindset that ok, he's older, any game he plays and gives you a good game is fine, he'll have bad nights, he'll have some DNPs, we'll rest him for the playoffs. Now the rest of the vets, WTF is the excuse? Bosh, not putting the team on his back like his contract would indicate. Dragic playing like a VET minimum player. Josh McRoberts playing like Ronald McDonald. Green can't hit the long side of a barn.

We need a change. Dragic off the bench....Amare/Birdman/UD as the backup big. Something.



Just because we expect Wade to be terrible sometimes doesn't give him a better excuse then Bosh and Dragic

All of our vets need to step up

No excuses for anybody

This team looks pathetic

WaDe03
12-09-2015, 11:31 PM
Wade and Bosh were pretty straight forward and pissed post game. Wade said the offense needs to start with Wade and Bosh getting in their spots and then everything else will happen which I agree with. I feel like w me played a different style tonight than we have been recently. We were trying to force to Whiteside too much which was a terrible mistake.

hotdalton18
12-10-2015, 12:03 AM
Wade and Bosh were pretty straight forward and pissed post game. Wade said the offense needs to start with Wade and Bosh getting in their spots and then everything else will happen which I agree with. I feel like w me played a different style tonight than we have been recently. We were trying to force to Whiteside too much which was a terrible mistake.


Lol forcing to Whiteside was the issue ?

One issue sure , he traveled way to much tonight

Wade , Dragic and bosh were bums tonight

That was the issue

AllBall
12-10-2015, 12:14 AM
Just because we expect Wade to be terrible sometimes doesn't give him a better excuse then Bosh and Dragic

Yes it does. Bosh and Dragic are the ones who are supposed to be doing the heavy lifting. That's why they are making the most money. Wade has the mileage with the wear and tear, thus the lower contract and lowered expectation.

WaDe03
12-10-2015, 12:25 AM
Lol forcing to Whiteside was the issue ?

One issue sure , he traveled way to much tonight

Wade , Dragic and bosh were bums tonight

That was the issue

Wade wasn't near as bad as you think. Unfortunately no one on our team did anything so there wasn't any reason for them to play in the 4th. Whiteside played good in areas he usually plays good. Games like tonight show why he needs to stick to his usual things and not demand the ball in the post because as someone stated he's the second worst post player in the league and is turnover prone down there.

All-In
12-10-2015, 12:35 AM
Who really thinks we can contend this year? I know I dont.....All I wanted to see this year was improvement because the 2016 free agency is where we should improve our personal back to championship level

Like, last year we stuck with too many "Big 3" era concepts and our personal at the time didn't match that system.....So far this year, through personal and scheme changes, we've developed a concept to reflect our personal better, especially on defense, where we are more conservative, try to defend 3's and middle better, so there has been noticeable improvements.........we need a lot more work to do (especially on offense) if we want to contend again though.....and all I really wanted as a Heat fan was to be good enough this year, maybe make the ECF, and then make runs at top name free agents this summer

So losing 2 games in a row before x-mas is no big deal....Beat the Pacers this Friday then its on to the next game....but if we do start to tailspin and hover around .500 for extended period of time thats the time to panic, but not now....And Im the biggest proponent of trading Whiteside, so everyone needs to relax and watch the Pacers game

hotdalton18
12-10-2015, 12:38 AM
Lol forcing to Whiteside was the issue ?

One issue sure , he traveled way to much tonight

Wade , Dragic and bosh were bums tonight

That was the issue

Wade wasn't near as bad as you think. Unfortunately no one on our team did anything so there wasn't any reason for them to play in the 4th. Whiteside played good in areas he usually plays good. Games like tonight show why he needs to stick to his usual things and not demand the ball in the post because as someone stated he's the second worst post player in the league and is turnover prone down there.

Yes he did

His stat sheet as far as FG% wasn't bad

But for anybody who watched the game he was bad

Not Dragic bad

But bad

archdevil84
12-10-2015, 07:47 AM
damn what a horrible loss. i was already feeling it was gonna be this kind of a game, especially when kemba walker hit that opening fadeaway stepback three

archdevil84
12-10-2015, 08:29 AM
thats 2 bad losses in a row. the wizards game wade played extremely well but we stil lost because we coudnt defend anything. Then i expect them to come out with energy but instead we look as flat as weve ever been vs the hornets. worst loss of the season imo

Slug3
12-10-2015, 11:20 AM
Who really thinks we can contend this year? I know I dont.....All I wanted to see this year was improvement because the 2016 free agency is where we should improve our personal back to championship level

Like, last year we stuck with too many "Big 3" era concepts and our personal at the time didn't match that system.....So far this year, through personal and scheme changes, we've developed a concept to reflect our personal better, especially on defense, where we are more conservative, try to defend 3's and middle better, so there has been noticeable improvements.........we need a lot more work to do (especially on offense) if we want to contend again though.....and all I really wanted as a Heat fan was to be good enough this year, maybe make the ECF, and then make runs at top name free agents this summer

So losing 2 games in a row before x-mas is no big deal....Beat the Pacers this Friday then its on to the next game....but if we do start to tailspin and hover around .500 for extended period of time thats the time to panic, but not now....And Im the biggest proponent of trading Whiteside, so everyone needs to relax and watch the Pacers game

I think we will be fighting for a playoff spot in the loaded east. I mean we couldn't even make it last year in a horrible east. We got lucky with our schedule to start the year. in 2 weeks we will be below .500.

Mr. Baller
12-10-2015, 11:43 AM
Yes it does. Bosh and Dragic are the ones who are supposed to be doing the heavy lifting. That's why they are making the most money. Wade has the mileage with the wear and tear, thus the lower contract and lowered expectation.

Wade's AAV is more then Dragics...

WaDe03
12-10-2015, 03:26 PM
There are 40 players in the league with at least 80 post touches. Whiteside has the worst TO% and second worst pass %. He definitely needs to keep working hard on his post game.

hotdalton18
12-10-2015, 04:35 PM
Who really thinks we can contend this year? I know I dont.....All I wanted to see this year was improvement because the 2016 free agency is where we should improve our personal back to championship level

Like, last year we stuck with too many "Big 3" era concepts and our personal at the time didn't match that system.....So far this year, through personal and scheme changes, we've developed a concept to reflect our personal better, especially on defense, where we are more conservative, try to defend 3's and middle better, so there has been noticeable improvements.........we need a lot more work to do (especially on offense) if we want to contend again though.....and all I really wanted as a Heat fan was to be good enough this year, maybe make the ECF, and then make runs at top name free agents this summer

So losing 2 games in a row before x-mas is no big deal....Beat the Pacers this Friday then its on to the next game....but if we do start to tailspin and hover around .500 for extended period of time thats the time to panic, but not now....And Im the biggest proponent of trading Whiteside, so everyone needs to relax and watch the Pacers game

I think we will be fighting for a playoff spot in the loaded east. I mean we couldn't even make it last year in a horrible east. We got lucky with our schedule to start the year. in 2 weeks we will be below .500.

East is not loaded lol

Just cause everyone has average/bad records

East is terrible

Slug3
12-10-2015, 05:08 PM
There are 40 players in the league with at least 80 post touches. Whiteside has the worst TO% and second worst pass %. He definitely needs to keep working hard on his post game.

He's no an offensive threat, or at least not yet. I always valued him on the defensive side. But until he learns some better footwork and the fact he is allowed to pass the ball once he gets it then he shouldn't get it too much on the post. Pink in rolls is all I am ok with him getting at the moment.

WaDe03
12-10-2015, 05:12 PM
Whiteside has a sprained ankle and missed practice McRoberts missed practice for rest.

Slug3
12-10-2015, 05:12 PM
East is not loaded lol

Just cause everyone has average/bad records

East is terrible

positions 1-10 are all above .500. compared to what the east use to look like, that's pretty good. Maybe not Western conference loaded like before, but going to be harder to get into than the east we couldn't get into last year when a team that made the 8th seed was 6 games under .500. Its a big deal.

WaDe03
12-10-2015, 05:13 PM
East is not loaded lol

Just cause everyone has average/bad records

East is terrible

The East is not terrible lol. The league is changing. We almost have double the amount of teams over .500 than the west.

SteBO
12-10-2015, 07:10 PM
The East has a lot of good teams....the West has more GREAT teams.

WaDe03
12-10-2015, 07:15 PM
Apparently we had a really good practice today. Wade was tweeting talking about it and saying it's still a work in progress but practices like the one they had today are needed for them to get where they want to be. Then Whiteside was tweeting after about how he loves heatnation and all that and how he's trying to be the best he can be for us.

I'm expecting big games from Wade and Bosh tomorrow. I know Wade still has a sour taste in his mouth about how terrible he played last game in Indiana.

AllBall
12-10-2015, 09:47 PM
If you see my postings on the NBA board you already know I think the pendelum has swung heavily to the East. The West has regressed. There are only 2.5 teams out West who are legit.

hotdalton18
12-11-2015, 12:27 AM
East is not loaded lol

Just cause everyone has average/bad records

East is terrible

The East is not terrible lol. The league is changing. We almost have double the amount of teams over .500 than the west.

Yeah

All the teams are RIGHT OVER .500

That's not good just because so far there not quite as bad as last year

hotdalton18
12-11-2015, 12:27 AM
If you see my postings on the NBA board you already know I think the pendelum has swung heavily to the East. The West has regressed. There are only 2.5 teams out West who are legit.

The east has 0 legit teams

Even the cavs are a joke compared to top west teams

AllBall
12-11-2015, 12:41 AM
The east has 0 legit teams

Even the cavs are a joke compared to top west teams

I don't think we'll be seeing 50 win teams #1-8 in the West like in years past, that is my point. The East has improved.

WaDe03
12-11-2015, 12:50 AM
The East has definitely improved lol. I don't even see how that's debatable. We kick the Wests *** every night.

As for tomorrow if Whiteside doesn't play the starting lineup will probably be

Dragic
Wade
Green
Deng
Bosh

That'll help us matchup with them from the start defensively.

SteBO
12-11-2015, 07:52 AM
I have a feeling we'll see a very good offensive performance tonight....and it's about time we get back to being the stifling defensive team I know we are.

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 10:30 AM
i want either wade or bosh to absolutely go off tonight and set the tone for the rest of the team. if we want to be off any relevance this year we have to win gritty road games like tonight in indiana. i feel like this is gonna be a key game in the year after those 2 very bad losses

Slug3
12-11-2015, 10:47 AM
I have a feeling we'll see a very good offensive performance tonight....and it's about time we get back to being the stifling defensive team I know we are.

I don't even know what to expect anymore, but I took my collar off my cat the last few days and Miami has lost. So maybe that's the only problem. Guess we will find out, lol.

justinnum1
12-11-2015, 03:06 PM
we usually beat the teams no one thinks we can and lose to the teams we should beat.

PG is going to go off, woinslow hit the rookie wall about a week ago, hopefully he can snap out of it, his defense has fallen off some. bosh needs to wake up and play like the max player he is being paid to be. dragic needs to get our bigs the ball, guy is struggling hard with how slow wade and bosh want to play.

TIme to get a big road win here, defense has to be on point. PLAY TJ MORE

WaDe03
12-11-2015, 04:50 PM
We're wearing our black tie jerseys again tonight. Go ahead and add another L. Those jerseys are bad luck.

WaDe03
12-11-2015, 04:52 PM
we usually beat the teams no one thinks we can and lose to the teams we should beat.

PG is going to go off, woinslow hit the rookie wall about a week ago, hopefully he can snap out of it, his defense has fallen off some. bosh needs to wake up and play like the max player he is being paid to be. dragic needs to get our bigs the ball, guy is struggling hard with how slow wade and bosh want to play.

TIme to get a big road win here, defense has to be on point. PLAY TJ MORE

Idk Wade has actually been running a lot more recently and has had his best games when doing so. Celtics, Thunder, and Wizards he was getting up and down the floor and attacking on the fast break. I've also noticed him getting mad at players when they aren't hitting him with an outlet pass to get out and run. I think he's starting to buy into it more and knows that we'll score more if we have more possessions. Our defense has to get back on track though. We've defended the 3 terrible these last 2 games.

Slug3
12-11-2015, 04:54 PM
we usually beat the teams no one thinks we can and lose to the teams we should beat.

PG is going to go off, woinslow hit the rookie wall about a week ago, hopefully he can snap out of it, his defense has fallen off some. bosh needs to wake up and play like the max player he is being paid to be. dragic needs to get our bigs the ball, guy is struggling hard with how slow wade and bosh want to play.

TIme to get a big road win here, defense has to be on point. PLAY TJ MORE

I don't even think Bosh is going to consistently play like a max player.

justinnum1
12-11-2015, 04:56 PM
I don't even think Bosh is going to consistently play like a max player.

i just dont expect him to play like an MLE guy. Got sonned by dudley last game smh

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 08:12 PM
whiteside is fcking terrible in the post. anyone who still thinks the offense should run through him is crazy

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 08:19 PM
wade must be one of the worst on ball defenders of the league right now. almost harden like

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 08:24 PM
holy **** wade actually tried to take a charge? when is the last time you saw that?

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 08:33 PM
lol that was obvious offensive interfering

SportsFanatic10
12-11-2015, 08:36 PM
Wow the Heat actually have a lead after the 1st quarter. I'm more used to them being down by like 8 by now. Glad to at least see a solid start to a game for a change.

hotdalton18
12-11-2015, 08:37 PM
whiteside is fcking terrible in the post. anyone who still thinks the offense should run through him is crazy

You constantly just hate on Whiteside in here

After good or bad games lol

Stop trolling

N nobody thinks it should run through him , he should have a play book to get set shots for him tho

He's efficient

SportsFanatic10
12-11-2015, 08:37 PM
George 1/5 for 2pts, Deng been doing work defensively to start.

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 08:41 PM
You constantly just hate on Whiteside in here

After good or bad games lol

Stop trolling

N nobody thinks it should run through him , he should have a play book to get set shots for him tho

He's efficient

i'm not a whiteside hater, i was just stating a fact. whiteside is effecient as fck because he gets like 90% of his buckets from wade or on offensive rebounds. not to mention his free throw shooting is stil horrible. But when he gets the ball in the post he just turns it over so often

Mr. Baller
12-11-2015, 08:52 PM
You constantly just hate on Whiteside in here

After good or bad games lol

Stop trolling

N nobody thinks it should run through him , he should have a play book to get set shots for him tho

He's efficient

He's efficient at dunking, one of the worst in the league at postups. So no he shouldn't get plays run for him unless it ends in a lob

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 08:58 PM
omg is that a foul on whiteside? please refs

Mr. Baller
12-11-2015, 09:00 PM
Bosh has been fantastic

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 09:01 PM
He's efficient at dunking, one of the worst in the league at postups. So no he shouldn't get plays run for him unless it ends in a lob

this exactly. whiteside is the perfect cleanup lob guy but thats about it on offense. even his face up jumpers just look so ugly even tho he has made the last 4 or so he took

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 09:02 PM
so many turnovers

archdevil84
12-11-2015, 09:05 PM
please, this is such a dumb foul. i just dont understand why they call that

SportsFanatic10
12-11-2015, 09:11 PM
Pacers 16/16 on free throws, Heat 2/4. Hopefully that starts to even out a bit at least in the 2nd half.

Slug3
12-11-2015, 09:12 PM
Just tuned in and what's up with the FTs for them? We just fouling like crap or they getting some love?

SteBO
12-11-2015, 09:21 PM
Just tuned in and what's up with the FTs for them? We just fouling like crap or they getting some love?
Both. But it's utter rubbish that they can take 6 more three's than us and shoot 12 more FTs. If that's not blatant favoritism, I dunno what is....

Slug3
12-11-2015, 09:30 PM
Maybe we did it in the first half, but why not post Wade up with Ellis on him?

Slug3
12-11-2015, 09:34 PM
I wonder if we ever actually ever practice FTs. Lol

Slug3
12-11-2015, 09:36 PM
I love it when Wade throws up an ugly looking shot to then add insult to it by not getting back on D.