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SteBO
11-29-2015, 10:11 AM
11/29 - 12/05:
NOTE: ALL TIMES EASTERN


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Boston Celtics @ Miami HEAT
Monday, Nov 30, 2015
AmericanAirlines Arena, MIA, FL
7:30pmET
Season Series: 0-0
TV: Fox Sports Sun


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Oklahoma City Thunder @ Miami HEAT
Thursday, Dec 3, 2015
American Airlines Arena, MIA, FL
7:00pmET
Season Series: 0-0
TV: Fox Sports Sun


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Cleveland Cavaliers @ Miami HEAT
Saturday, Dec 5, 2015
American Airlines Arena, MIA, FL
8:00pmET
Season Series: 0-1
TV: Fox Sports Sun, NBA Tv

Dade County
11-29-2015, 10:42 AM
This would be a good time for pat Riley to pull off a trade.


The free agent we have are eye on is coming into town on thursday and Pat can send a clear message that we are setting up are team for you… The media will spin that however they want, but Riley wouldn’t have to say a word… LoL


Also it would be good media hype for the game against the Cavs too.


And when I say trade, I mean a trade where the entire NBA fan base is mad at the HEAT for some reason (so yeah, cheat trade lol)


…… ……. …….

But yeah, this Boston game can be a close one, I have noticed that the league is kind of keeping the Eastern conference teams in check, and they are creating this middle tier, where most fan bases think their teams are better then they truly are (Pacers, Pistons, Atl…etc).

I believe the Cavs should be undefeated, Miami should have only lost 1 game (to the Cav’s), and the Bulls should have 2 fewer loses.

WaDe03
11-29-2015, 01:49 PM
This would be a good time for pat Riley to pull off a trade.


The free agent we have are eye on is coming into town on thursday and Pat can send a clear message that we are setting up are team for you… The media will spin that however they want, but Riley wouldn’t have to say a word… LoL


Also it would be good media hype for the game against the Cavs too.


And when I say trade, I mean a trade where the entire NBA fan base is mad at the HEAT for some reason (so yeah, cheat trade lol)


…… ……. …….

But yeah, this Boston game can be a close one, I have noticed that the league is kind of keeping the Eastern conference teams in check, and they are creating this middle tier, where most fan bases think their teams are better then they truly are (Pacers, Pistons, Atl…etc).

I believe the Cavs should be undefeated, Miami should have only lost 1 game (to the Cav’s), and the Bulls should have 2 fewer loses.

Smh man you've gotta stop with this stuff. I feel like I lose brain cells every time I read one of your posts like this lol.

As for the game thread I hope we can go at least 2-1. I would also love the first 4 game winning streak since LeBron left. We need to come out focused against the Celtics and beat them then play our best basketball against the Thunder and Cavs to win. The Cavs will be on the second night of a back to back against New Orleans when they play is so we need to take advantage of that. I also feel like the Cavs are falling off a little here lately. Would be big to beat the Thunder both times we play them this year just to look good for Durant.

WaDe03
11-29-2015, 02:03 PM
Deng is probably out against the Celtics Spo said. The media guys say he looks fine but they think it's to make sure he's ready for Durant and LeBron back to back so I can't blame them. I just hope we're not taking the Celtics lightly and lose another game we should win, especially on our home court.

I hope Green can pick up where he left off and Wade and Bosh can find their rhythm before going into the Thunder and Cavs games. We have a tough 8 game stretch coming up so we need everyone at their best.

Mr. Baller
11-29-2015, 04:22 PM
This would be a good time for pat Riley to pull off a trade.


The free agent we have are eye on is coming into town on thursday and Pat can send a clear message that we are setting up are team for you… The media will spin that however they want, but Riley wouldn’t have to say a word… LoL


Also it would be good media hype for the game against the Cavs too.


And when I say trade, I mean a trade where the entire NBA fan base is mad at the HEAT for some reason (so yeah, cheat trade lol)


…… ……. …….

But yeah, this Boston game can be a close one, I have noticed that the league is kind of keeping the Eastern conference teams in check, and they are creating this middle tier, where most fan bases think their teams are better then they truly are (Pacers, Pistons, Atl…etc).

I believe the Cavs should be undefeated, Miami should have only lost 1 game (to the Cav’s), and the Bulls should have 2 fewer loses.

The Pacers are good

Dade County
11-29-2015, 09:31 PM
How did I know Det, Bos & the Raps was going to loss tonight. LoL


I just hope Miami can beat a team like the C’s…smh



The Pacers are good

Yes they are, but not at Miami trues level.

hotdalton18
11-30-2015, 12:25 AM
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C's are like 1 win behind us

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 12:33 PM
Deng out, Amare out, and Bosh is sick and a game time decision. We need Bosh to play I bet he will.

justinnum1
11-30-2015, 04:59 PM
don't suck

SteBO
11-30-2015, 06:01 PM
They need to disinfect that locker room.....our guys have been getting sick far too often already. This game won't be a cake walk. The Celtics are a very well coached group.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 08:51 PM
Shoot that **** McRoberts!

SteBO
11-30-2015, 09:00 PM
Boston gambles a ton....can't hold on to the ball too long. Move it!

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 09:02 PM
Lol this team sucks when Wades not on the court. 19-4 run for Boston.

SteBO
11-30-2015, 09:05 PM
Not a good night for your defense to suck Heat...

SteBO
11-30-2015, 09:06 PM
I swear if I see McRoberts pump fake and pass up another open shot, I want him traded....

Slug3
11-30-2015, 09:06 PM
Spo/Riley need to bring in a offensive coach and Spo needs to give those duties up or something. We are a great and strong minded defensive team. But Spo has never and will never be anything on the offensive side of the ball.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 09:15 PM
See what happens when you shoot McRoberts?

Wade-a-minute
11-30-2015, 09:20 PM
TJ > Dragic... I've seen enough. Lol.

All-In
11-30-2015, 09:20 PM
Our defense is our best offense.....hopefully we can keep up this defensive intensity

Slug3
11-30-2015, 09:22 PM
TJ > Dragic... I've seen enough. Lol.

I really think we are going to trade dragic. Not going to say this year but maybe if a big free agent wants to come we might. I think we panicked when we signed him. We would be better without him and his 80+ million contract.

Hardaway Here
11-30-2015, 09:27 PM
McRoberts gets the most open 3 pt opportunity and passes on all of em

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 09:27 PM
Wtf Wade come on tired of waiting for you to start making some ****ing shots.

Hardaway Here
11-30-2015, 09:29 PM
McBob is scared to shoot open shots and fouls on the other end smh

Hardaway Here
11-30-2015, 09:37 PM
can't make a layup lmao. They need to take much better care of the ball next half

Hardaway Here
11-30-2015, 09:39 PM
So no moving screen on Sullinger wow

Slug3
11-30-2015, 09:40 PM
57 points in a half. That's disgusting.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 09:43 PM
I can't wait for Wade to pull his head out of his ***. Same goes for Whiteside.

SteBO
11-30-2015, 09:47 PM
Hassan utterly useless that half....we're way too care free with the ball....and McRoberts' lack of willingness to shoot the damn ball is making him a liability on offense. Our defense needs to get it in gear and and we gotta stop turning it over.

naps
11-30-2015, 09:55 PM
Wade looks so indifferent that he can't wait to retire. No passion for being on the court at all.
And MacBob is useless since he is scared to shoot. No spacing at all. No one guards him and yet he passes. sucks.

Hardaway Here
11-30-2015, 09:58 PM
Okay the team just looks lazy and uninterested in this game

naps
11-30-2015, 09:59 PM
**** you Wade. My favorite player of all time but he needs to retire already since he doesn't give a **** anymore about this game.

naps
11-30-2015, 10:01 PM
Okay the team just looks lazy and uninterested in this game

Only reason why I think this team will not win 50+ games. This team should comfortably eclipse that mark but won't do it because Wade's laziness is contagious.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:02 PM
looks like this is another of one those ugly ugly bad home losses. hate those games

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:04 PM
celtics can miss a shot vs us

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:05 PM
holy **** these celtics commentators are fcking HORRIBLE!

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:08 PM
just as i start watching the game, wade is starting to dunk all over the place

Hardaway Here
11-30-2015, 10:08 PM
Only reason why I think this team will not win 50+ games. This team should comfortably eclipse that mark but won't do it because Wade's laziness is contagious.

Wade only one who seems to want it right now

SportsFanatic10
11-30-2015, 10:11 PM
**** you Wade. My favorite player of all time but he needs to retire already since he doesn't give a **** anymore about this game.

What? Wade is giving this team life right now, he's been great this quarter, looks like he wants this win bad right now.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:11 PM
Can someone help Wade out there? Spo don't put him on the ****ing bench either.

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:15 PM
I'm actually really getting tired of mcbob and wouldn't mind seeing Amare and UD getting minutes over him. It doesn't matter how open he is cause all he wants to do is pass.

Mr. Baller
11-30-2015, 10:15 PM
Can someone help Wade out there? Spo don't put him on the ****ing bench either.

Yeah lets not have our best player fresh for the 4th quarter. Genius strategy

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:19 PM
I feel like we can replace McBob with a basket and get the same effectiveness out there.

Wade-a-minute
11-30-2015, 10:21 PM
I feel like we can replace McBob with a basket and get the same effectiveness out there.
I know it's ridiculous, because he's actually a pretty decent shooter when he actually shoots.

SportsFanatic10
11-30-2015, 10:22 PM
I'm actually really getting tired of mcbob and wouldn't mind seeing Amare and UD getting minutes over him. It doesn't matter how open he is cause all he wants to do is pass.

Ya his lack of aggression on offense drives me crazy, he always passes up his shot. I hoped he'd be big for us off the bench this year, but he's been disappointing to say the least.

Hardaway Here
11-30-2015, 10:23 PM
so sick of McBob this game

Wade-a-minute
11-30-2015, 10:24 PM
Now that's my BOSHASARUS!

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:24 PM
I know it's ridiculous, because he's actually a pretty decent shooter when he actually shoots.

I agree that I think he's a good shooter. He just won't shoot unless it seems like he shot clock is about to expire.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:24 PM
wade and bosh have taken over this game

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:25 PM
put winslow on fcking bradley already. stop letting green defend him

SportsFanatic10
11-30-2015, 10:27 PM
McRoberts did just have a nice block at least...

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:29 PM
Yeah lets not have our best player fresh for the 4th quarter. Genius strategy

Great post bro. You always have such a great input.

SteBO
11-30-2015, 10:29 PM
BOS is just making their jumpers....as always it's against us.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:30 PM
Why is Wade not in?

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:30 PM
Bosh is just pretty much forcing everything.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:31 PM
just like that bosh is forcing it

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:31 PM
We're about to lose to a team of nothing but role players.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:32 PM
Their big men are killing Whiteside.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:32 PM
those fcking celtics man, cant mis any shot against us

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:32 PM
I would not be surprised if we come out of this TO and we turn the ball over.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:33 PM
3 game losing streak begins tonight.

Wade-a-minute
11-30-2015, 10:34 PM
I'm scared with this team because the schedule gets tougher and we play WAY more road games soon.

SportsFanatic10
11-30-2015, 10:36 PM
We're about to lose to a team of nothing but role players.

Not if Wade has anything to say about it! He's beasting right now!

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:38 PM
boy did we ever get a lucky moment with the celtics not scoring on a 5v3 and then wade making that alley

Wade-a-minute
11-30-2015, 10:38 PM
Best of Wade and worst of Wade all in the same night! Exciting to say the least.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:40 PM
I've noticed only Wade and Bosh tonight, a little Johnson in the first half other than that everyone's sucked.

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:41 PM
Green back to his ole self I see. Lol

Hardaway Here
11-30-2015, 10:42 PM
See **** Green nvr makes a 3 when we need it

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:42 PM
Then we get a nice rushed Wade 3. Awesome.

Hardaway Here
11-30-2015, 10:42 PM
We would have the lead if these idiots would stop shooting 3's

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:43 PM
timeout after timeout after timeout, they should realy reduce the amount of timeouts allowed in a game. it kills any momentum

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:43 PM
We got lucky with the heaven home and favorable schedule to start the season. Cause once we go on that long road trip we will be right back down to being average of we are lucky.

HandsOnTheWheel
11-30-2015, 10:43 PM
Green blows. Good to know Deng's absence won't be long.

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:44 PM
timeout after timeout after timeout, they should realy reduce the amount of timeouts allowed in a game. it kills any momentum

It's just that other coaches know how to use them while Spo doesn't.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:46 PM
holy fcking **** ANOTHER fcking timeout

SportsFanatic10
11-30-2015, 10:46 PM
What a bad foul to miss there...damn

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:47 PM
lol how the fck is that a foul on the Celtics?

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:48 PM
what is wade doing man

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:48 PM
TJ should be playing way before green and dragic and 100% every single time on the offensive end over Winslow.

Wade-a-minute
11-30-2015, 10:48 PM
Like I said... Best and worst of Wade. We will see this way more often unfortunately.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:49 PM
pffff. this is disgracefull

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:49 PM
lol how the fck is that a foul on the Celtics?

I only assume cause they should have called that foul for Wade. But that was not on Celtics. Lol

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:49 PM
God damn ****ing terrible. No one did **** tonight except Wade and Bosh. Lost to a ****ing team of role players and why the **** did Wade not come in in the 4th until the 6 or 7 minute mark? Spos rotations are terrible sometimes.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:51 PM
you just cant lose games like this. god

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:51 PM
Huge missed call by the refs on Wades layup too. Crowder can get a call but Wade can't? They don't give Wade **** anymore. We're about to free fall down the East standings if Dragic Green and Whiteside play the next 2 games like they did tonight.

HandsOnTheWheel
11-30-2015, 10:52 PM
This team simply has a blatant lack of cohesion. Still lots of time left, but they need to have it fully figured out come playoff time.

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:52 PM
Greens at like 38 minutes compared to TJs 20 but TJ out performed him in every aspect. Spo needs to stop giving minutes to guys cause they are veterans or names in the NBA and start going with a hot hand. Or even someone who is actually better than green.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:52 PM
God damn ****ing terrible. No one did **** tonight except Wade and Bosh. Lost to a ****ing team of role players and why the **** did Wade not come in in the 4th until the 6 or 7 minute mark? Spos rotations are terrible sometimes.

gotta disagree on this one. wade was taking over in the third and made some sick moves. he did look a little gassed at the 3rd minute mark so i think he got a slightly longer rest in the 4th. also starting the 4th bosh was taking over so there was no need yet

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:53 PM
And why wasn't Winslow guarding Bradley? So many terrible decisions tonight lol.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:53 PM
i never liked gerald green anyway

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:56 PM
you know, judging form what i've seen this game (which is the second half) we lost this game thanks to green. he's horrible on defense and on offense. the only time he is usefull is when he is hot from 3point which is about 1 every 20 games

Slug3
11-30-2015, 10:56 PM
i never liked gerald green anyway

I wouldn't be so upset if he took tough contested shots and they didn't go in. But this dude gets so many open looks. Like wide open and he can't even come close. He's only good when we are up 20 and he doesn't fee pressure. He doesn't deserve to play down the stretch in close games.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 10:56 PM
Wade is head and shoulders our best player and Dragic is a terrible fit. Dragic can't be traded soon enough honestly. He doesn't fit here at all and those of you who still support him and claim it's too early to tell yall are just fooling yourselves.

SteBO
11-30-2015, 10:57 PM
Beat ourselves again with turnovers and iso-ball. Granted Wade and Bosh did some positive carrying with it in different spots in the 3rd and 4th quarters, but it played right into Bostons hands. Against their defense, you have to move the ball....we didn't do that and combined with BOS hitting their shots and us giving away opportunities for points...well..you have what you have. No big loss though. On to the next one.

archdevil84
11-30-2015, 10:58 PM
what i didnt like is how spo didnt play whiteside at all in the 4th. you gotta give hima chance even in games where he isnt playing fantastic on both ends.

SteBO
11-30-2015, 11:03 PM
what i didnt like is how spo didnt play whiteside at all in the 4th. you gotta give hima chance even in games where he isnt playing fantastic on both ends.
In Spo's defense, the Celtics handled Hassan well. They had Sullinger and Amir Johnson draw him out and it stretched our defense thin. Granted. Hassan was better in the 3rd quarter, but I can understand Spo's reasons. Wade & Bosh just forgot that there are other players on the floor with them....

Slug3
11-30-2015, 11:04 PM
Beat ourselves again with turnovers and iso-ball. Granted Wade and Bosh did some positive carrying with it in different spots in the 3rd and 4th quarters, but it played right into Bostons hands. Against their defense, you have to move the ball....we didn't do that and combined with BOS hitting their shots and us giving away opportunities for points...well..you have what you have. No big loss though. On to the next one.

I mean we always say Iso balls kills us. But I mean that's our offense. Spo is not some great offensive coach who can draw up or create great plays. His has been going on since the beginning of the Lebron days. Our best offense was when we just ran the hell out of it and Wade can't do that anymore. So we need something else because Spo relies on Wade or bosh iso on one side or Wade with Whiteside and the PnR. Other than that we don't have anything except the occasional Green wide open 3 for a miss.

Mr. Baller
11-30-2015, 11:04 PM
what i didnt like is how spo didnt play whiteside at all in the 4th. you gotta give hima chance even in games where he isnt playing fantastic on both ends.

Its a bad matchup for him. He doesn't like to contest 3 point shooters and Bostons bigs all shoot

Slug3
11-30-2015, 11:05 PM
what i didnt like is how spo didnt play whiteside at all in the 4th. you gotta give hima chance even in games where he isnt playing fantastic on both ends.

Dude Whiteside was getting killed out there defensively. He couldn't guard anyone and you pretty much had to take him out.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 11:06 PM
Wades getting real frustrated with this team though. I would say specifically Dragic. You can tell by his reaction to plays on the court and the way he's been getting on to everyone.

Slug3
11-30-2015, 11:08 PM
Wades getting real frustrated with this team though. I would say specifically Dragic. You can tell by his reaction to plays on the court and the way he's been getting on to everyone.

We probably should have traded dragic and kept Mario. Dragic honestly just takes up a roster spot and salary for us. I don't think there is going to be a game where he wins it for us.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 11:10 PM
How many 3s did Amir Johnson have tonight like 3? That's crazy. This game shows why Whiteside has to come out mentally ready every game. If he's his usual self we win tonight but he had his head in the gutter. McRoberts had his moments tonight but was still way too passive. He has to fix that and if not he needs to be gone with Dragic.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 11:16 PM
We probably should have traded dragic and kept Mario. Dragic honestly just takes up a roster spot and salary for us. I don't think there is going to be a game where he wins it for us.

Imagine being able to get someone actually worth that money to add to this team. We would be so much better. We need to look for a trade. I was defending Dragic early but there's no way this is going to work out. Johnson should've been out there in the 4th instead so we actually had a shooting threat. We could get someone for Dragic that would fit our team much better. I've said this before and I'll say it again this team would be much better with Wade at PG he basically already plays it and bringing in a 3 and D wing to put at the 2 in the starting lineup. Hell Avery Bradley fits that perfectly. Avery could guard he opposing PG (every time I bring this up someone says we don't need Wade guarding PGs and just ignore the fact that I said to have someone else guard them). Bradley could easily do what he did tonight in our system because he was scoring of simple plays running off screens off the ball or just spotting up. It doesn't have to specifically be Bradley but someone of that mold is who we need.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 11:28 PM
Thunder with a loss tonight. What's the chances they lose 2 in a row? Very low I would say.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 11:41 PM
Remember when Wade used to get calls?

Dade County
11-30-2015, 11:45 PM
So i am guessing, Miami beats both OKC & the Caves now.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 11:46 PM
So i am guessing, Miami beats both OKC & the Caves now.

Why?

Slug3
11-30-2015, 11:46 PM
Remember when Wade used to get calls?

Well Wade doesn't drive it as much and settles for jumpers. But I agree that the call they missed down the stretch tonight was horrible.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 11:48 PM
Well Wade doesn't drive it as much and settles for jumpers. But I agree that the call they missed down the stretch tonight was horrible.

Yea that was a huge missed call. The only positive from tonight is how he's looking physically. If we can move Dragic for someone that's a better fit we'd be good to go.

justinnum1
11-30-2015, 11:53 PM
wade going hero mode rarely ever works out for us

green sucks. this scrub should be cut. playing him 36min? are you ****ing high spo? playing bob 25min? are you ****ing high spo? ONLY PLAYING TJ 20MIN?????? **** YOU TONIGHT SPO.

WaDe03
11-30-2015, 11:58 PM
Trade Dragic!

lavilevi23
11-30-2015, 11:58 PM
Id be shocked if they traded Dragic but it would probably be a good move. We dont run enough for him to take advantage of his strength and his court vision is average. His D is below average and so is his outside shot. We need othet things from a PG in this style of offense and along Wade.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 12:02 AM
Id be shocked if they traded Dragic but it would probably be a good move. We dont run enough for him to take advantage of his strength and his court vision is average. His D is below average and so is his outside shot. We need othet things from a PG in this style of offense and along Wade.

I would be too but it needs to happen. Add a 3 and D player to that starting lineup to replace Dragic and this team would be so much better.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 12:30 AM
Bosh played 39 minutes Wade played 31. Wade needs to play more minutes he looks in much better shape this year than we've seen him in a long time.

SteBO
12-01-2015, 12:42 AM
I'm not giving up on Dragic yet, but I'll admit that I'm getting a little concerned about him. He played well next to Wade last season when we picked him up, and Whiteside was a factor around the time that trade happened as well. It's kinda puzzling what's going on with him.....

hotdalton18
12-01-2015, 12:55 AM
Didn't watch

What happened?

Saw Wade was awesome but we lose to the C's? Lol

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 01:02 AM
Didn't watch

What happened?

Saw Wade was awesome but we lose to the C's? Lol

Literally everyone but Wade and Bosh sucked. Johnson was good in the first half though and Whiteside had a moment or 2 but for the most part wasn't there mentally. Looks like our first 3 game losing streak of the season.

AllBall
12-01-2015, 01:39 AM
wade going hero mode rarely ever works out for us

green sucks. this scrub should be cut. playing him 36min? are you ****ing high spo? playing bob 25min? are you ****ing high spo? ONLY PLAYING TJ 20MIN?????? **** YOU TONIGHT SPO.

Green played because Deng is hurt. Spo's other choic would have been J. Rich.

McBob played because Whiteside got into early foul trouble.

TJ should start over Dragic. Dragic would work fine it the second unit where he can be the man and run the offense there.

hotdalton18
12-01-2015, 02:35 AM
Yeah the only thing to do now is start Johnson

Let Dragic and bosh run that 2nd team

Wade-a-minute
12-01-2015, 12:49 PM
wade going hero mode rarely ever works out for us

green sucks. this scrub should be cut. playing him 36min? are you ****ing high spo? playing bob 25min? are you ****ing high spo? ONLY PLAYING TJ 20MIN?????? **** YOU TONIGHT SPO.
lol! Sounds like a song. But you make legit points. TJ should be getting way more minutes. And I'm done with McBob. Dude is trash.

beasted86
12-01-2015, 01:29 PM
I wonder if people are watching the same game I am almost 80% of the time reading comments on this forum.

Start Johnson? I mean I like this kid, don't get me wrong, but he isn't a PG. Wade can't be relied on so heavily. When I'm watching Johnson on the pick and roll he looks indecisive, he's never made a pass out of the pick and roll that made me go "wow!". All problems we currently have with Dragic not being aggressive enough and not being able to pull up and hit mid range shots continues with him. Johnson is a traditional SG. He's great making cuts or getting a solid screen and making a line drive, great off catch and shoot, great in transition filling the lanes or spreading the floor for a kick out. He's the consummate role player, nor a starter to me yet.

He doesn't have enough handles and vision for full time PG. I don't see him weaving in and out of players off the pick and roll like Wade does using the screen setter more effectively (something Dragic hasn't figured out yet). I've probably never seen Johnson split a trap with great handling skills in my entire time watching him.

Getting a 3 and D player for Dragic and playing Wade at PG is also a terrible idea. Wade is almost 34. It's not "if" he gets injured, it's "when"... We won't have enough play making.

What the team needs is a better fit. Someone who can thrive either in half court or transition. Someone who can shoot effectively pulling up off the dribble in that midrange area. Defensively its clear that we can mask their deficiencies using other players so it isn't super important, but just someone who isn't completely lazy on that end. Someone who is more of the score first variety than necessarily a passive pass and shoot player.

Honestly, looking back at the 3 way trade, the HEAT would be infinitely better if they landed either Knight or Thomas out of that deal. They both play the exact way in talking about.

beasted86
12-01-2015, 01:42 PM
It also doesn't make sense when people complain about lack of ball movement and iso ball, and then want McRoberts traded. I think he's been a decent fit. Sure, he should be more aggressive, but if Spo is still trying to implement this movement system, then he needs McRoberts out there.

He needs Winslow to progress with his ball handling skills but also cut down on turnovers and stop plowing into defensive players like most rookies do.

As much complaining and talk of needing shooting out there people were doing before the season, I for one will be be glad when Deng is back out there. He helps stabilize the defense and puts Green back on the bench where he belongs in a more limited role.

beasted86
12-01-2015, 01:48 PM
Sorry... One final tidbit onto a third rant....

We needed more Whiteside last night?!
Really? Really, man?

What game are you watching? Is my TV broken? Let me know. It's an older Vizio, maybe I need to upgrade it.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 02:15 PM
Sorry... One final tidbit onto a third rant....

We needed more Whiteside last night?!
Really? Really, man?

What game are you watching? Is my TV broken? Let me know. It's an older Vizio, maybe I need to upgrade it.

Not sure who you're talking to but we did need Whiteside to mentally be in the game. He was making dumb fouls and it gave us no rim protection at all. You can't tell me he had his head in the game last night.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 02:45 PM
No update yet on Deng they didn't take the court at practice today. Spo said he thought about playing Johnson late in the game last night which I think he should have and he thought about playing Udonis in spots. Spo also said he trust McRoberts passing but says he will be a lot better if he looks to score more which is what we've all been saying. Hopefully we've made a few changes to our game plan going into the Thunder game.

Wade-a-minute
12-01-2015, 05:20 PM
It also doesn't make sense when people complain about lack of ball movement and iso ball, and then want McRoberts traded. I think he's been a decent fit. Sure, he should be more aggressive, but if Spo is still trying to implement this movement system, then he needs McRoberts out there.

He needs Winslow to progress with his ball handling skills but also cut down on turnovers and stop plowing into defensive players like most rookies do.

As much complaining and talk of needing shooting out there people were doing before the season, I for one will be be glad when Deng is back out there. He helps stabilize the defense and puts Green back on the bench where he belongs in a more limited role.
I get what you're saying, but McRoberts CAN be a decent fit. However, he's been trash so far. Great passing ability which helps create spacing, but if he refuses to shoot as a result of that spacing, then he's a wasted player on the floor.

If he doesn't get more aggressive real quick, his butt needs to get traded!

beasted86
12-01-2015, 05:25 PM
Not sure who you're talking to but we did need Whiteside to mentally be in the game. He was making dumb fouls and it gave us no rim protection at all. You can't tell me he had his head in the game last night.

Somebody was saying Whiteside didn't play enough minutes last night even though he was clearly playing bad.

beasted86
12-01-2015, 05:31 PM
I get what you're saying, but McRoberts CAN be a decent fit. However, he's been trash so far. Great passing ability which helps create spacing, but if he refuses to shoot as a result of that spacing, then he's a wasted player on the floor.

If he doesn't get more aggressive real quick, his butt needs to get traded!
My point is McRoberts has the tools and versatility to thrive in a half court movement based offense. He is on a small contract. Considering the minimum is going to be $3M soon, it's probably best to see him play more than 30 games in a HEAT uniform before suggesting a trade.

Dragic on the other hand should have less excuses why his timing, consistency, aggressiveness and chemistry is so poor.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 05:51 PM
McRoberts is going to start being more aggressive on offense apparently after seeing what Spo had to say. I honestly think he could average around 10 PPG but he has to be aggressive. Also when he's aggressive it will open things up and then he'll be able to find people on cuts and all that.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 05:52 PM
Our bench just has to be better all around and score more. We can't rely on Tyler Green and Winslow to do all the scoring for the second unit. McRoberts has to get involved too.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 06:09 PM
After rewatching the game Wade actually got a lot of his points running the floor in transition and attacking whoever was in front of him. He was also looking to push it as much as possible. Maybe we should try a faster pace here and there.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 06:34 PM
Touches per game:

Dragic-74
Bosh-61
Wade-53
Whiteside-41

SteBO
12-01-2015, 09:00 PM
My point is McRoberts has the tools and versatility to thrive in a half court movement based offense. He is on a small contract. Considering the minimum is going to be $3M soon, it's probably best to see him play more than 30 games in a HEAT uniform before suggesting a trade.

Dragic on the other hand should have less excuses why his timing, consistency, aggressiveness and chemistry is so poor.
I'll admit I was one of the guys who used the terms "McRoberts" and "trade" in the same sentence, but that was mostly out of frustration. I obviously don't want McRoberts traded, but he needs to shoot the damn ball. He overpasses a ton and passes up WIDE...OPEN....shots. We need shooting, and he's a good shooter. Can't put it any simpler than that really. As for Dragic, he has already said publicly that it's tough for him to get to his game with Whiteside in the paint. Combine that with a lack of shooting and you have what you have. That however, doesn't excuse his inability to make a layup, and that's after finishing last season as the best finisher in the paint percentage wise.

AllBall
12-01-2015, 09:07 PM
I wonder if people are watching the same game I am almost 80% of the time reading comments on this forum.

Start Johnson? I mean I like this kid, don't get me wrong, but he isn't a PG.

I'd rather roll the dice with TJ, he has the passion and drive to rise to the responsibility and at least if he has bad games and makes those mistakes you described, he can chalk it up to inexperience. What damn excuse does Dragic have? NONE! I am **********g done with Dragic as a starter! I said I was giving him until end of November, guess what? We're in December. Get him out of the starting lineup! I don't care who they start!

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 09:16 PM
Oladipo has been coming of the bench for Orlando and is playing great in that role. I don't see why Dragic couldn't. Honestly if we're going strictly off just this year Johnson is a better player than Dragic. I think that had a lot to do with how they fit in with the team. Tyler is our best shooter or second best and that would really help in the first unit. He's also a better defender than Dragic and his style of play could get guys like Wade and Bosh going when they see Tyler busting his *** and making highlight plays. We come out to pretty slow starts and maybe Tyler could help that.

Dragic with the second unit would have the ball in his hands at all times and could run the pick and pop with Bosh. That lineup is also younger and faster so they could all run together. I just think it would fit him so much better. Not to mention the chemistry he already has with green and how good green plays alongside Dragic.

Spo says he wants McRoberts more aggressive so that's what I hope we start seeing. Guys don't even really have to guard him right now because they know he's passing. Adding that scoring threat to our bench could do wonders for us.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 09:30 PM
Nice to see the Cavs losing again after we lose. We can never gain any ground on them but we've consistently stayed a game or 2 behind.

beasted86
12-01-2015, 09:54 PM
My biggest issue with Dragic has been his lack of aggressiveness. He's not getting to the FT line at all.

As was posted above on touches, he's getting handling time, but he's usually playing hot potato like he's afraid to attack that trap or put pressure on the big to foul him or block his shot. He's also been flat out putrid shooting off the dribble.

I'm honestly not sure if he's hit a mid-range pull up shot all season long in however many attempts. Maybe Riley should have gone for Mo Williams instead like I was praying he would have gone for to get from that losing Wolves team. He's started this year great and probably could have been had for Cole and a couple 2nd round picks.

WaDe03
12-01-2015, 10:00 PM
My biggest issue with Dragic has been his lack of aggressiveness. He's not getting to the FT line at all.

As was posted above on touches, he's getting handling time, but he's usually playing hot potato like he's afraid to attack that trap or put pressure on the big to foul him or block his shot. He's also been flat out putrid shooting off the dribble.

I'm honestly not sure if he's hit a mid-range pull up shot all season long in however many attempts. Maybe Riley should have gone for Mo Williams instead like I was praying he would have gone for to get from that losing Wolves team. He's started this year great and probably could have been had for Cole and a couple 2nd round picks.

Mo would've been nice and would've given us even more cap for this summer. I was with you on that one but we didn't even try to get him.

As for Dragic like you said idk what the deal is with him. He's very fast and quick so regardless of our style he should still be beating people off the dribble and attacking and at least getting to the line. It's all mental I think. He's just weak minded unfortunately.

Dade County
12-01-2015, 11:31 PM
Nice to see the Cavs losing again after we lose. We can never gain any ground on them but we've consistently stayed a game or 2 behind.

You've noticed that too... It's like clock work.

I wonder how long it will go on for.

HandsOnTheWheel
12-02-2015, 12:19 AM
The Heat rank last in the league in FGA, and towards the bottom in assists and PPG. Can't win if you don't take many shots let alone score a lot of points. Also, it's a matter of getting the offense to mesh and preaching unselfishness to get it figured out on that end. I can think of 5 guys on this team who have been way too selfish so far..

justinnum1
12-02-2015, 06:11 PM
The Heat rank last in the league in FGA, and towards the bottom in assists and PPG. Can't win if you don't take many shots let alone score a lot of points. Also, it's a matter of getting the offense to mesh and preaching unselfishness to get it figured out on that end. I can think of 5 guys on this team who have been way too selfish so far..

wade and bosh prefer a slow pace, hence the low FGA. But hey, here is a great idea. Lets give up 2first round picks and 100mil to a 28year old PG that does not fit miami's core players. Yep, that's a good idea.

SportsFanatic10
12-02-2015, 09:27 PM
wade and bosh prefer a slow pace, hence the low FGA. But hey, here is a great idea. Lets give up 2first round picks and 100mil to a 28year old PG that does not fit miami's core players. Yep, that's a good idea.

Lets not pretend like almost every single one of us wasn't thrilled with the trade at the time.

HandsOnTheWheel
12-02-2015, 11:23 PM
wade and bosh prefer a slow pace, hence the low FGA. But hey, here is a great idea. Lets give up 2first round picks and 100mil to a 28year old PG that does not fit miami's core players. Yep, that's a good idea.

Makes our chances of signing KD that much easier.

Slug3
12-03-2015, 04:38 PM
The Heat rank last in the league in FGA, and towards the bottom in assists and PPG. Can't win if you don't take many shots let alone score a lot of points. Also, it's a matter of getting the offense to mesh and preaching unselfishness to get it figured out on that end. I can think of 5 guys on this team who have been way too selfish so far..

I think I because we play so slow on offense. The run and gun days are over thanks to slow man Wade. so we get less opportunities to put up more shots a game.

Slug3
12-03-2015, 04:39 PM
Honestly I don't know how to predict this team. I think they will play bad and I see amazing defense with Green hitting his shots. I think we should steamroll a team and they lose and look bad. I wouldn't be surprised if we end our next 5 games on a losing streak and be 10-11. and wouldn't be surprised if we are 15-6, lol.

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 07:20 PM
trading rio was just such a big mistake. i'm realy think they miss him

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 08:21 PM
who wouldve thought that watching a heat game while listening to some good techno could be so relaxing lol

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 08:22 PM
i hate the thuder. i hate serge ibaka and i hate that ugly douchebag steven adams

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 08:25 PM
lol. gerald green thought it was a good idea to lob the ball up to wade in traffic with ibaka right next to him

Slug3
12-03-2015, 08:39 PM
I'm am starting to actually just flat out hate McBob.

Slug3
12-03-2015, 08:46 PM
At what point does Spo/Riley start to hold this team accountable for their missed FTs?

beasted86
12-03-2015, 08:57 PM
Omg! Dragic hit a mid range pull up and a 3 in the same game!!

Give him the key to the city!

beasted86
12-03-2015, 08:58 PM
I honestly almost felt like making a new thread about that

beasted86
12-03-2015, 08:59 PM
And McRoberts is taking open jumpers! Two keys to the city on order!

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 09:15 PM
wade is playing horrible defense tonight

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 09:18 PM
clean block from whiteside

Mr. Baller
12-03-2015, 09:19 PM
At what point does Spo/Riley start to hold this team accountable for their missed FTs?

Is there ever something Spo can do right?

HandsOnTheWheel
12-03-2015, 09:32 PM
Omg! Dragic hit a mid range pull up and a 3 in the same game!!

Give him the key to the city!


And McRoberts is taking open jumpers! Two keys to the city on order!
Lmao. Doesn't take much to appease a few folks.

Hardaway Here
12-03-2015, 09:44 PM
offense clicking and im loving it

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 09:52 PM
why the fck does green stil get play time?

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:03 PM
this is gonne be a nail biter its looking like

Hardaway Here
12-03-2015, 10:11 PM
missed fts gonna hurt so bad again if we lose a close one

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:16 PM
dion waiters has to be the most selfish player in the NBA

SteBO
12-03-2015, 10:20 PM
dion waiters has to be the most selfish player in the NBA
But as always tonight's the night it works for him...same **** different day.

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:22 PM
But as always tonight's the night it works for him...same **** different day.

ikr, it always seems like a garbage player from the opposing team goes off against us. Waiters ALWAYS plays good vs us

Mr. Baller
12-03-2015, 10:24 PM
Why is Green still in the game

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:24 PM
i dont like pulling whiteside from the game right now. how are we gonna stop westbrook and durant driving to the rim now?

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:26 PM
damn wade is so athletic lately. insane

Mr. Baller
12-03-2015, 10:27 PM
i dont like pulling whiteside from the game right now. how are we gonna stop westbrook and durant driving to the rim now?

They keep pulling up without him hedging/contesting. They need to go Bosh here. But Johnson should be in for Green

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:28 PM
They keep pulling up without him hedging/contesting. They need to go Bosh here. But Johnson should be in for Green

absolutely agree with that. green has no rights to play above TJ at this point

Mr. Baller
12-03-2015, 10:29 PM
I guess Spo sees something in Green's defense on Westbrook that I'm missing.

Mr. Baller
12-03-2015, 10:31 PM
**** what a shot

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:33 PM
haha get rekt waiters

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:34 PM
damn what an acrobatic series of moves from wade

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:36 PM
**** i'm nervous now

Mr. Baller
12-03-2015, 10:37 PM
Spo didnt want that time out. Wanted them to push

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:37 PM
pfew, its either a win of overtime. thats fine by me

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:39 PM
okay wade, please dont give away a three now. please

Mr. Baller
12-03-2015, 10:41 PM
Great game and great win

archdevil84
12-03-2015, 10:41 PM
YES, big win! wade carried us again!

Hardaway Here
12-03-2015, 10:42 PM
Great win

Mr. Baller
12-03-2015, 10:44 PM
Would like to thank Billy Donovan for doing a terrible job down the stretch

SteBO
12-03-2015, 11:03 PM
Lack of 3pt shooting and missed FT's will always irk the **** out of me, but when we needed to close the deal, we did. And for all the peeps who've been killing Dragic, at least be man enough to give the kudos he deserves when he plays well. He balled tonight offensively, and ran the offense well. Wade proving he's still a top player in this league, no complaints about his play tonight. Hassan was a force defensively......but OKC's small ball lineup with KD and Russ on the floor pretty much forced Spo's hand there, so please spare me the Spo complaints regarding Hassan's late game minutes. As Mr. Baller pointed out, I thought Spo left Green out there too long. I trust TJ's defense on Russ, especially if we're gonna have Winslow on KD, which did occur.

HandsOnTheWheel
12-03-2015, 11:06 PM
Vintage Wade ftw.

I'm glad Goran finally got it going, should shut some fans up temporarily.

Mr. Baller
12-03-2015, 11:17 PM
Vintage Wade ftw.

I'm glad Goran finally got it going, should shut some fans up temporarily.

Until Saturday evening at least.

As well as the McBob haters

Hardaway Here
12-03-2015, 11:23 PM
not a McBob hater just annoyed with how scared he is to shoot it

HandsOnTheWheel
12-04-2015, 12:24 AM
Until Saturday evening at least.

As well as the McBob haters

I don't know how, as a fan, you can hate on the guy. Mcroberts has better handles than some guards in the league and makes on point passes close to every time. I honestly don't mind him passing up shots for others, don't see the big deal there. Some people don't understand that just because he's not scoring he is still excelling in other facets of his game. He adds a whole new dimension when he is able to consistently knock down that midrange jumper like he did tonight. Compared to what some players got last offseason, his contract can be seen as an absolute bargain while some fans are thinking that his contract is weighing us down.

AllBall
12-04-2015, 12:58 AM
I was at the game, got there right before the half thanks to the rain. It was fun at the end, I was shouting MVP loud as I could when Wade was at the line for those two free throws that iced the game.

Can someone explain why Spo pulled out TJ and Hassan at the end? It seems like every time McBob was on the floor instead of Whiteside we were getting carved up on the inside. It was such a confusing substitution for me while there.

McBob was garbage. Everyone around me was screaming to shoot!!!! Wide open and he passes it up. I was surprised by Dragic, he decided to bring it for TNT I guess. This team really does seem to get up for the high profile games, that can't be coincidence. I expect a good outing with the Cavs. Also, we have not lost more 2 in a row this season, which is good.

Another thing I noticed, Bosh's stroke is rhythm is on point. During the breaks while he was shooting practice shots, he did not miss. Winslow missed everything, lol. I could also see Wade really enjoys playing with TJ, it makes it easier for him as he sort of cleans up some of his mistakes. I feel the team really respects and trusts the future in the hands of Whiteside, Winslow and TJ.

WaDe03
12-04-2015, 02:34 AM
Great game and great win! This is what I've been waiting to see from this Heat team all year. If we can play like we did tonight but with better free throw shooting and 3 point shooting we'll definitely be contenders.

I'll admit Dragic and McRoberts have been driving me crazy but both were great tonight. This is how I envisioned those 2 playing for the most part and they make us so much better when they play like this. They both need to stay aggressive they're so much better when they play like that. Wade is the GOAT can't believe some people think he should come off the bench.

justinnum1
12-04-2015, 10:21 AM
good game last night.

i love how one good game can make fans forget how terrible a player is the previous 5 games lol

Mr. Baller
12-04-2015, 10:31 AM
I was at the game, got there right before the half thanks to the rain. It was fun at the end, I was shouting MVP loud as I could when Wade was at the line for those two free throws that iced the game.

Can someone explain why Spo pulled out TJ and Hassan at the end? It seems like every time McBob was on the floor instead of Whiteside we were getting carved up on the inside. It was such a confusing substitution for me while there.

McBob was garbage. Everyone around me was screaming to shoot!!!! Wide open and he passes it up. I was surprised by Dragic, he decided to bring it for TNT I guess. This team really does seem to get up for the high profile games, that can't be coincidence. I expect a good outing with the Cavs. Also, we have not lost more 2 in a row this season, which is good.

Another thing I noticed, Bosh's stroke is rhythm is on point. During the breaks while he was shooting practice shots, he did not miss. Winslow missed everything, lol. I could also see Wade really enjoys playing with TJ, it makes it easier for him as he sort of cleans up some of his mistakes. I feel the team really respects and trusts the future in the hands of Whiteside, Winslow and TJ.

I can't explain TJ but OKC only had 1 big on the floor, and I rather have Bosh out there down the stretch then Hassan with Ibaka out there.

justinnum1
12-04-2015, 10:45 AM
whiteside was a -15 last night in a 2pt game. Thats terrible lol. if we plan to play small at the end of games, im not sure hassan will be here next season.

hotdalton18
12-04-2015, 11:22 AM
Vintage Wade ftw.

I'm glad Goran finally got it going, should shut some fans up temporarily.

No , one game isn't gonna shut fans up

He has been trash and fans are allowed to say that

hotdalton18
12-04-2015, 11:24 AM
whiteside was a -15 last night in a 2pt game. Thats terrible lol. if we plan to play small at the end of games, im not sure hassan will be here next season.

+ and - have been proven garbage half the time

Hassan clearly was having a good game aside from the goal tending that was going in anyway

hotdalton18
12-04-2015, 11:27 AM
Wade had a great last 2 games , hope he stays like this

Whiteside was Whiteside

Bosh was solid

Dragic had a good game , better keep it up cause he's been trash

TJ and mcbob were big off the bench

I want him attempting like that every night

justinnum1
12-04-2015, 12:20 PM
+ and - have been proven garbage half the time

Hassan clearly was having a good game aside from the goal tending that was going in anyway

there is a major problem developing with whiteside, and that is you cant play him at the end of games if the opposing team goes small or they have a big that can shoot. i love whiteside, but there is a reason the stats show we are a better team with him off the court right now.

Mr. Baller
12-04-2015, 03:00 PM
One underrated thing about Dragic this year: His defense has improved a ton. Not great but its above average to good this year. Hopefully his offense will continue to get back to where it is expected to be

Slug3
12-04-2015, 03:10 PM
We need to figure out what to do with Whiteside on the pick plays. He never shows ever and its going to start costing us eventually. I don't know if he's just bad at it, or if he wants to fish for blocked shots so he plays back in hopes he can recover in time. But he's going to have to start stepping up on those and not worry about his blocks so much and trust the guys behind him.

HandsOnTheWheel
12-04-2015, 05:27 PM
No , one game isn't gonna shut fans up

He has been trash and fans are allowed to say that

The point is, is that people are thinking that we are going to trade him. It's not happening.

SteBO
12-04-2015, 07:23 PM
The best way to beat the Cavs tomorrow night imo, is to make LeBron be a scorer. He does a great job of baiting opposing defenses into double teams that allow Love, Mo Williams, and JR Smith to great looks from 3, and once they're in rhythm, CLE is too difficult to deal with. Long story short, let LeBron get his.....don't let Love, JR, and others get going. Don't take LeBron's bait.

hotdalton18
12-04-2015, 08:01 PM
One underrated thing about Dragic this year: His defense has improved a ton. Not great but its above average to good this year. Hopefully his offense will continue to get back to where it is expected to be


Above average to good? I see your looking at those silly numbers lol

I know you watch

So I know you see him getting beat by any PG who's even ok scoring

hotdalton18
12-04-2015, 08:04 PM
+ and - have been proven garbage half the time

Hassan clearly was having a good game aside from the goal tending that was going in anyway

there is a major problem developing with whiteside, and that is you cant play him at the end of games if the opposing team goes small or they have a big that can shoot. i love whiteside, but there is a reason the stats show we are a better team with him off the court right now.

Those same stats say Dragic is better on defense then Deng and Whiteside...so...

He could of played last nights 4th but Spo chose bosh instead

When the team only one 1 big out there spo's gonna have to choose

And that's fine cause winslows and Deng can play the 4 in small ball

All-In
12-04-2015, 10:46 PM
The best Center on this Miami Heat team isn't Hassan Whiteside, its Chris Bosh.....but we're giving off the illusion as if Whiteside was our best Center; he gets rebounds, block shots, dunks the ball a lot, great size and length, very agile but all of that is just an illusion of what a good Center is because the NBA today doesn't process like that....I want a Center who can shoot, dribble, pass off the PnR, guard the perimeter and play good PnR defense....Chris Bosh is our best Center, he was when we won 2 titles and he still is today.....Trading Whiteside would be in our best interest, of course who we get back for him matters too (Porzingis!), but whoever it is will fit into our hybrid-small-ball closing lineup unlike Whiteside does.....but will the trade ever happen.....no.....So we're stuck with him, and he better appreciate the time we give him in-game because come end of the game situations....he better get the **** off the court

naps
12-05-2015, 12:21 AM
One underrated thing about Dragic this year: His defense has improved a ton. Not great but its above average to good this year. Hopefully his offense will continue to get back to where it is expected to be

What? I have watched most of the games this year so far. I really do have the patience in him about his offense to come around at some point but his defense is something that has abbsolutely been trash. He never was anything close being good at this end of the floor but he probably at his worst right now at defense. Every time I see him defend his counterpart, he gets blown by easily, and he doesn't play lick of help defense as well. I don't know man, may be we are seeing two different players.

AllBall
12-05-2015, 02:10 AM
Some of the advanced defensive stats show Dragic as the best defender, but the defensive rating show Whiteside and Bosh as the leaders.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612748&sort=PCT_PLUSMINUS&dir=-1&CF=G*GE*10

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2016.html#per_poss::29

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 03:01 AM
The best Center on this Miami Heat team isn't Hassan Whiteside, its Chris Bosh.....but we're giving off the illusion as if Whiteside was our best Center; he gets rebounds, block shots, dunks the ball a lot, great size and length, very agile but all of that is just an illusion of what a good Center is because the NBA today doesn't process like that....I want a Center who can shoot, dribble, pass off the PnR, guard the perimeter and play good PnR defense....Chris Bosh is our best Center, he was when we won 2 titles and he still is today.....Trading Whiteside would be in our best interest, of course who we get back for him matters too (Porzingis!), but whoever it is will fit into our hybrid-small-ball closing lineup unlike Whiteside does.....but will the trade ever happen.....no.....So we're stuck with him, and he better appreciate the time we give him in-game because come end of the game situations....he better get the **** off the court


Lmao your right

It's sucks to have a center that's number 1 in blocked shots

Top 5 in rebounds

And has multiple momentum changing dunks a game

Your on ****ing drugs and should stop watching basketball

We're STUCK with him?

He should be grateful for getting minutes here

Wtf are you even talking about dude

Easily one of the dumbest comments iv ever seen in this forum

naps
12-05-2015, 10:09 AM
Some of the advanced defensive stats show Dragic as the best defender, but the defensive rating show Whiteside and Bosh as the leaders.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612748&sort=PCT_PLUSMINUS&dir=-1&CF=G*GE*10

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2016.html#per_poss::29

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html

Shows how useless and pointless statistics are when it comes to judging defense. Dragic is pure trash as a defender. When I watch him try to play defense, it makes me puke.

All-In
12-05-2015, 10:47 AM
Lmao your right

It's sucks to have a center that's number 1 in blocked shots

Top 5 in rebounds

And has multiple momentum changing dunks a game

Your on ****ing drugs and should stop watching basketball

We're STUCK with him?

He should be grateful for getting minutes here

Wtf are you even talking about dude

Easily one of the dumbest comments iv ever seen in this forum

I figured you say something like this....a bunch of empty comments; calling me names.....absolutely nothing you said disputes my post, a matter of fact all you did was reaffirm my point, what constitutes a great Center isn't just rebounds, blocks and dunks, thats the illusion I was alluding to.................Just trust me Hotdalton....everyone is going to have a breaking point with Whiteside......eventually you'll get there

Dade County
12-05-2015, 11:05 AM
The best Center on this Miami Heat team isn't Hassan Whiteside, its Chris Bosh.....but we're giving off the illusion as if Whiteside was our best Center; he gets rebounds, block shots, dunks the ball a lot, great size and length, very agile but all of that is just an illusion of what a good Center is because the NBA today doesn't process like that....I want a Center who can shoot, dribble, pass off the PnR, guard the perimeter and play good PnR defense....Chris Bosh is our best Center, he was when we won 2 titles and he still is today.....Trading Whiteside would be in our best interest, of course who we get back for him matters too (Porzingis!), but whoever it is will fit into our hybrid-small-ball closing lineup unlike Whiteside does.....but will the trade ever happen.....no.....So we're stuck with him, and he better appreciate the time we give him in-game because come end of the game situations....he better get the **** off the court

If you had the choice, AD & Bosh or AD & Whiteside on the HEAT which would you rather have?

justinnum1
12-05-2015, 02:16 PM
The best Center on this Miami Heat team isn't Hassan Whiteside, its Chris Bosh.....but we're giving off the illusion as if Whiteside was our best Center; he gets rebounds, block shots, dunks the ball a lot, great size and length, very agile but all of that is just an illusion of what a good Center is because the NBA today doesn't process like that....I want a Center who can shoot, dribble, pass off the PnR, guard the perimeter and play good PnR defense....Chris Bosh is our best Center, he was when we won 2 titles and he still is today.....Trading Whiteside would be in our best interest, of course who we get back for him matters too (Porzingis!), but whoever it is will fit into our hybrid-small-ball closing lineup unlike Whiteside does.....but will the trade ever happen.....no.....So we're stuck with him, and he better appreciate the time we give him in-game because come end of the game situations....he better get the **** off the court

it's true. there is a reason bosh plays center to end the game. part of it is our shooting sucks with bosh and whiteside in. other part is whiteside can not guard stretch 5's. and his shot blocking can also hurt us, when he doesnt get the block he is out of position all the time.

WaDe03
12-05-2015, 02:48 PM
Deng is out again tonight. I expect Wade to go off tonight and we need Green to knockdown his 3s. Also Bosh and Whiteside need to do a better job keeping their bigs off the offensive boards than they did last time. I fully expect a win tonight. If the Pacers and Bulls lose tonight we will be in first place as long as we win.

HandsOnTheWheel
12-05-2015, 02:50 PM
I'd love to see Winslow start over Green tonight guarding Lebron.

Wade-a-minute
12-05-2015, 07:44 PM
No LeBron tonight, Lol. You would think he wouldn't rest for this particular game. Smh.

HandsOnTheWheel
12-05-2015, 08:00 PM
Lol what a pusssy

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 09:02 PM
Puss* move by bron

With no bron or Kyrie we should win by 20+

SteBO
12-05-2015, 09:07 PM
Puss* move by bron

With no bron or Kyrie we should win by 20+
C'mon you've been watching this team for a # of years now I assume. You know damn well we like to let our guard down big time and make things difficult for ourselves.

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 09:08 PM
Puss* move by bron

With no bron or Kyrie we should win by 20+
C'mon you've been watching this team for a # of years now I assume. You know damn well we like to let our guard down big time and make things difficult for ourselves.

After I said we should win by 20+ I was gonna put so we'll lose...but I didn't wanna jinx it lol

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 09:17 PM
Lmao your right

It's sucks to have a center that's number 1 in blocked shots

Top 5 in rebounds

And has multiple momentum changing dunks a game

Your on ****ing drugs and should stop watching basketball

We're STUCK with him?

He should be grateful for getting minutes here

Wtf are you even talking about dude

Easily one of the dumbest comments iv ever seen in this forum

I figured you say something like this....a bunch of empty comments; calling me names.....absolutely nothing you said disputes my post, a matter of fact all you did was reaffirm my point, what constitutes a great Center isn't just rebounds, blocks and dunks, thats the illusion I was alluding to.................Just trust me Hotdalton....everyone is going to have a breaking point with Whiteside......eventually you'll get there

Sorry , when I saw that I lost it

Your still very wrong tho

Blocks and rebounds aren't an Illusion tho ,that's just dumb dude

And Whiteside is averaging good scoring numbers

To say we're STUCK with him is crazy

He's a top 5 center in this league...just cause the league is going towards small ball doesn't mean Whiteside is pointless

We had lebron , Wade and bosh (3 top 10 players) and only went 2-4 in the finals...why is that? Cause bosh got abused every game playing center and our PG spot was pathetic

Bosh plays half the games good , half the games bad

It'll be night to night on who Spo chooses who plays to end games , who's playing best that night

Even not playing last game he still had 30 mins

He affects the most shots in the league , he gets the most blocks in the league and he's the reason we don't get completely raped on the boards every night

If you could trade him for the Knicks rookie obviously you would

A 7'3 19 year old future star , or Whiteside who will be hard to sign this offseason

But since you can't get that much then it's not worth trading

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 09:18 PM
Bosh leaves love open , hits the shot

Bosh gets blown by , by love...Whiteside steps up and moz gets open dunk

Plz bosh don't get killed by love for the 2nd time this year

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 09:21 PM
Good to see Dragic playing well early

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 09:28 PM
Dragic on fire

archdevil84
12-05-2015, 09:29 PM
dragic playing great so far. up by 14 already

Hardaway Here
12-05-2015, 09:29 PM
Okay Dragic I see you

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 09:30 PM
3 straight 3's

Dragic

Johnson

Green

Wade-a-minute
12-05-2015, 09:31 PM
We are seeing what this team can be when Dragic plays like Dragic. He's the X-factor.

Hardaway Here
12-05-2015, 09:31 PM
Looks so pretty when 3s fall. Must be how Warrior fans feel

SteBO
12-05-2015, 09:39 PM
Didn't like the defense to end that quarter, but good quarter nonetheless....just keep the ball moving offensively. Hopefully Justice never lets Jefferson get by him again.

Wade-a-minute
12-05-2015, 09:41 PM
If Dragic & McBob both keep playing like this consistently, we can compete for #1 seed in the East.

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 09:45 PM
Didn't like the defense to end that quarter, but good quarter nonetheless....just keep the ball moving offensively. Hopefully Justice never lets Jefferson get by him again.

Same

SteBO
12-05-2015, 09:54 PM
Dragic looks confident in what he's doing now...not hesitating at all. This is the guy we signed to $90 million.....still think we're a slow on defense right now.

Hardaway Here
12-05-2015, 09:54 PM
Dragic jus needs to come like this every game and I'll have nothing to say. Good and aggressive even if his shot isn't falling aggression pays

SteBO
12-05-2015, 10:01 PM
Love how we can't put our hands in the ballhandler, but the Cavs defenders can....

Hardaway Here
12-05-2015, 10:07 PM
Loving Greens defense

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 10:09 PM
2nd half line up needs to mostly be

Johnson
Richardson
Winslow
Mcroberts
Whiteside

Get those guys some decent minutes and see if they can keep a lead

Hardaway Here
12-05-2015, 10:09 PM
Tisdale gave Winslow a look like "boy you know better than that"

archdevil84
12-05-2015, 10:11 PM
if only wade wouldve dunked that. But atleast he did try it so its once again showing he's feeling athletic as hell

naps
12-05-2015, 10:15 PM
Man, this is the Dragic Pat envisioned when he got him from Phoenix. If he plays like this and be engaged most of the games, we become such an elite team. I wish LeBron was playing tonight. If we could beat the Cavs with LeBron, it would be two very quality wins in a row.

archdevil84
12-05-2015, 10:31 PM
i'm loving this. make those cavs pay for not playing lebron

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 10:47 PM
I wish Jonhson would be aggressive like this more often

If he would attempt the shots , he could def average 20 ppg on a different team

SteBO
12-05-2015, 10:50 PM
Man I hate those plays where you get the block and it leads to a 3pt play because the big out of position checking the shooter....irks me every time. Loving the d though, keep it up!

Hardaway Here
12-05-2015, 10:51 PM
I wish Jonhson would be aggressive like this more often

If he would attempt the shots , he could def average 20 ppg on a different team

Idk he is usually pretty aggressive when he can be. Just have to remember once Deng is back his shots are going to Green and Bosh when they play that one lineup

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 10:55 PM
I wish Jonhson would be aggressive like this more often

If he would attempt the shots , he could def average 20 ppg on a different team

Idk he is usually pretty aggressive when he can be. Just have to remember once Deng is back his shots are going to Green and Bosh when they play that one lineup


Just sucks cause green is so up and down


I think Johnson would be so much more consistent is he got that amount of shots all the time

HandsOnTheWheel
12-05-2015, 10:57 PM
Wow JR.

archdevil84
12-05-2015, 10:58 PM
missing a lot of free throws again

SteBO
12-05-2015, 11:00 PM
FTs...smh

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 11:07 PM
Big dunk by bosh!

Mr. Baller
12-05-2015, 11:07 PM
Ok CB

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 11:08 PM
Dragic has 1 bucket this 2nd half

Hopefully he plays like the 1st half the rest of the year

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 11:15 PM
First few minutes of the game it looked like love was about to kill bosh again

But it went completely the other way

Dade County
12-05-2015, 11:23 PM
Fans were saying... Lebron resting lol

hotdalton18
12-05-2015, 11:25 PM
They were saying "LeBron is tired" **** was awesome lol