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JasonJohnHorn
11-08-2015, 09:05 AM
It seems that in the age of the internet, people have more immediate expectations. Back in the day, though, teams tended to take the long view. The Pistons, for instance, let Chuck Daly coach for 7 years before he finally won, and kept a team in tact that didn't get the job done for several years. Daly even saw a regression in his season season, and failed to improve in his third. With that kind of record, he would have been fired before he got out of the first round today.


Likewise, Jordan and the Bulls had three straight heartbreaking years where they lost to the same team, over, and over. This led people to question whether Jordan had what it took to win. But he didn't force a trade, and the front office didn't blow the team up.


Today, though, it seems like front offices frequently fire coaches, sometimes before they even get a chance to coach 82 games for a team (see Mike Brown in LAL and Maurice Cheeks in Detroit), while other GM's blow up a team before it has a chance to develop, or at the very least let gifted players walk away (see Harden to the Rockets).


The Mavs kept Dirk around for a long time before getting their title, but they also let key players go (Nash and Finely), and had a revolving door of coaches, which may have contributed to the amount of time it took to win.


Which teams do you think blew up their team too early, or gave up on a coach to soon that could have ended up doing something special with their roster? The Pacers with Lance/George/Hibbert? Maybe go back to Run TMC? Are there any groups of players you think could have won it if they had been kept together?

nycericanguy
11-08-2015, 10:15 AM
I've always wondered, if you kept a mediocre/decent team together for 5-6 years, would they become a title contender because of chemistry?

I mean the EURO clubs don't have nearly as much talent as the NBA dream teams, but they give them a run because they have been together for a long time and have great chemistry.

anyway I think the Pelicans jumped the gun trading for Jrue, they would have been much better off waiting and keeping their picks.

slashsnake
11-08-2015, 10:29 AM
I've always wondered, if you kept a mediocre/decent team together for 5-6 years, would they become a title contender because of chemistry?

I mean the EURO clubs don't have nearly as much talent as the NBA dream teams, but they give them a run because they have been together for a long time and have great chemistry.

anyway I think the Pelicans jumped the gun trading for Jrue, they would have been much better off waiting and keeping their picks.

A couple things though.. The euro rules and way the game is called is much closer to international play than the NBA game, so it's more the NBA players adjusting to them

And a mediocre team staying together for a while, isn't going to be a great team that's stayed together for a while. Getting through a San Antonio, LAC, Golden State, or even now as Cleveland and Atlanta get more and more comfortable with each other.

And I guess as far as Jrue... I wonder if they weren't showing that they wanted to make big moves like that, would it affect Anthony Davis decision to re-sign?

Scoots
11-08-2015, 12:14 PM
I think every team's front office has screwed up at one point or another. The Lakers clung so tight to their last winning teams that they strangled themselves. But they thought they could stay on top forever. The Knicks did similar things trying for the quick fix.

The Warriors with Run TMC (only together 2 years IIRC), then trading Chris Webber after 1 year only to fire the coach the next year, and it took 16 years to get rid of that horrible owner, the new owner in his first months stood center court and said "We'll challenge for a title in 5 years" and they did it ... on their 3rd coach and 2nd GM under that ownership. That example makes it even harder for all of the other GMs and coaches in the league because the owners often don't think like basketball guys, they think like business guys and you just throw resources and talent at the problem until it's fixed.

JasonJohnHorn
11-08-2015, 05:14 PM
I think every team's front office has screwed up at one point or another. The Lakers clung so tight to their last winning teams that they strangled themselves. But they thought they could stay on top forever. The Knicks did similar things trying for the quick fix.

The Warriors with Run TMC (only together 2 years IIRC), then trading Chris Webber after 1 year only to fire the coach the next year, and it took 16 years to get rid of that horrible owner, the new owner in his first months stood center court and said "We'll challenge for a title in 5 years" and they did it ... on their 3rd coach and 2nd GM under that ownership. That example makes it even harder for all of the other GMs and coaches in the league because the owners often don't think like basketball guys, they think like business guys and you just throw resources and talent at the problem until it's fixed.

I think Run TMC is the best example. I mean, if they were going to trade Mitch Richmond, they could have at least gotten Dikembe instead of a SF when they already had one of the best SFs in the game. But yeah... if they'd held together.... would have been great.

I don't fault them for C-Webb, because it seemed like he forced his way out, but Don Nelson had this thing for getting 'younger' when he already had young teams. He pulled the same $#!T in Dallas.

I think Denver had something special with McDysse and Mutumbo.... if they'd kept those guys together. Would have been interesting.

AirPippen33
11-08-2015, 07:21 PM
The Sonics from like 90-97 kept making bad trades but Kemp was so good he covered most all of it up.
losing McDaniel, McKey, Gill, Benjamin, Barros and many other players were not good moves.

The Mavs losing
Laettner
H. Davis
Finley
Nash
etc

AirPippen33
11-08-2015, 07:24 PM
Definitely should've kept

Webber
Mullin
Sprewell
Richmond
Hardaway
on the same team

Just add a good athletic shot blocking center and you have a Championship.

Scoots
11-08-2015, 08:12 PM
I don't fault them for C-Webb, because it seemed like he forced his way out

Webber forced his way out because he told the owner it was him or the coach and the owner chose the coach ... who he fired the next year.

But none of that is really the worst move the Warriors made. They traded a young Kevin McHale and Chief for Joe Barry Carroll to the Celtics ... talk about screwing yourself over!

Bruno
11-08-2015, 10:26 PM
Not exactly what you're looking for OP, but I want to mention what Robert Sarver did in 2004.

He traded the Phoenix suns first overall pick (Luol Deng) for lower level assets and cash considerations. He also traded Rondo for basically nothing and cash.

Those suns would have gotten over the hill with Deng. he didn't get impatient, it was cupidity.

JasonJohnHorn
11-08-2015, 11:29 PM
Not exactly what you're looking for OP, but I want to mention what Robert Sarver did in 2004.

He traded the Phoenix suns first overall pick (Luol Deng) for lower level assets and cash considerations. He also traded Rondo for basically nothing and cash.

Those suns would have gotten over the hill with Deng. he didn't get impatient, it was cupidity.

Deng would have been great. I'm not sure Rondo would have developed in that situation though. He had a great defensive coach in Boston, and a great development coach, and players who made up for his short comings. I don't know if he would have had that with Phoenix.


On the other side of that is Boston and JJ and PP. Those to together could have been something special. Not sure Walker would have blended well with them, but they could have ended up using him and a couple other pieces and the pick as trade bait for KG. Though the Allen/KG/Pierce trio is legendary.

That Suns team though... every year it seemed like they were doing salary dumps. Letting Joe Johnson go. QR. Then the gave two firsts with Kurt Thomas to Seattle to get them to take his contract. Then got rid of Raja Bell... can you imagine if they kept Deng and has JJ with Nash in the back court, and Amare and Marion in the front, with QR, Barbosa, and Kurt Thomas coming off the bench?