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dalton749
08-10-2015, 05:30 PM
Which player(s) do you think are most likely to take the next step to star players this year?

My choice is Demar Derozan
after a 13/14 allstar year averaging 23/4/4 and a winning record he looked poised to keep improving, but last year suffered a significant leg injury, missed 17 games and had to come back slowly.
Towards the end of the year he became the player we saw 2 years ago, finishing the season with a really good march, then the april player of the month award averaging 24/5/4 on 49% shooting and a much improved 3 ball

Next year there are many reasons to expect improvement:
-huggggggeee contract year
- chance to be a starter and face of the all star game in toronto
-addition of a legit sf beside him in carroll, and a starting stretch 4 in patterson which makes for more efficient scoring chances than with the paint clogging amir johnson/ valanciunas combo
-no more lou will/vasquez needing shots

I think he could reach 25/5/5 with solid efficiency on a 50 win team

Potential other guys
The east is currently no where close to the west in terms of top end talent, but has a lot of young guys who could potentially/need to make the jump this year, some of them include: Bradley Beal, Giannis Antetokounmpo(a few bucks), Hassan Whiteside, Kemba Walker, Reggie Jackson, Andre Drummond, Victor Oladipo, Jonas Valanciunas etc.

What do you guys think? Who is your pick?

MonroeFAN
08-10-2015, 06:06 PM
I'll go the homer route with Jackson & Drummond.

They will both benefit from replacing Monroe with Illy and Morris who can both stretch the floor. I would imagine both will post some pretty nasty rebounding numbers, most importantly our offense will have the spacing it needs to become an effective SVG led unit (As evidenced by our +/- later on in the season when Monroe wasn't playing and the seeing eye test).

Jackson in particular I'm expecting pretty big things out of, he had some pretty gaudy games last year (31, 9 & 6 on 70% shooting, 26/10/11 23 / 20, etc...). I've made my stance on him pretty well known around here, so none of this should come as a surprise.

TheNumber37
08-10-2015, 06:15 PM
No, to derozan because he'll never have the consistent outside shooting ability to put up more than 22pg. Caroll will help some because now he has to defend less, He has the tools, sure, but I don't see it.

I think again, we should watch out for John Wall who wants to prove he's worth more than Reggie Jackson.

I think Wiggins could take a huge step forward unexpectedly.

Damion Lillard should average 27 a game playing without Batum and Aldridge.

beasted86
08-10-2015, 06:37 PM
1. Harrison Barnes
-15/6 40% 3pt, gets maxed out in the summer

2. Victor Oladipo
-20/5/5 with solid defense

3. Jusuf Nurkic
12/12 fantasy sleeper

ROY 2 MVP Braun
08-10-2015, 06:52 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Middleton, Giannas, or Monroe make the all star team this year. If Parker was healthy and going to be ready for opening night he'd be on that list as well.
I'm also interested to see if/how much MCW has improved. A offseason being coached up by Kidd as well as working with a shooting coach the bucks hired for him and Giannas should pay off. I don't think he jumps to an all star caliber player this year unless he averaged close to a triple double, but if he makes big improvement this off season and next he could maybe reach that level in 2 years.

Outside of the Bucks players I'm going to keep an eye on to see if they can reach all star levels or improve are Drummond, Jackson, Mirotic, Mcbuckets, Smart, Sullinger, Noel, Detoxing, Lowry, Carrol, JV, Tetelovic, Oladipo, Harris, Vuc, Whiteside, Kemba, Batum, Schroeder, Teague, and there's more I'm forgetting that's just off the top of my head for the east

Shammyguy3
08-10-2015, 07:00 PM
i think DeRozan is a terrible choice for a breakout player. He's not a 2 way player, and I cannot count on a 38 shot sample size from deep as something that will magically continue as he has never come close to being a guy you want to close out on when at the arc. He's a career 27.0% shooter from deep, and only 38.2% shooter from mid-range. His best 3 point percentage was 30.5% on 2.7 attempts a game. And his best mid-range percentage was 41.4% taking over 36 percent of his shots from that area that year.

That 3 point rate is really bad, and his mid-range shot while good is not elite and should not be something that points to him ever expanding his range.




Now, this is a tough thread because I won't pick 2nd or 3rd year players. Especially guys that went in the lottery, as they are expected to have significant jumps in production early on. So, leaving those players out I have to go with Derrick Favors and Jonas Valanciunas.

Favors I can see putting up 19/9/2 over starting minutes while posting above average efficiency rates.
Valanciunas I can see putting up 17/10 on near elite efficiency.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
08-10-2015, 07:01 PM
Meant Derozan but my phone switched it to detoxing. I'll make a list for the western conference tonight after I think about it more.

Chronz
08-10-2015, 08:03 PM
Gobert is the obvious favorite for MIP next year I would think. Call me crazy but I think this is the year Blake Griffin finally attains that Charles Barkley/Karl Malone status. Hes still in his athletic prime but hes worked on his weaknesses every year with incremental progress. I dont know if he'll ever be as good defensively as those 2 but this could be the year everything comes together.

Hawkeye15
08-10-2015, 08:06 PM
I am giving one last ditch effort to stick up for Rubio. If he stays healthy, I think he can take a big step forward with the athletes he has around him, and Saunders was always good with PG's

dalton749
08-10-2015, 08:32 PM
i think DeRozan is a terrible choice for a breakout player. He's not a 2 way player, and I cannot count on a 38 shot sample size from deep as something that will magically continue as he has never come close to being a guy you want to close out on when at the arc. He's a career 27.0% shooter from deep, and only 38.2% shooter from mid-range. His best 3 point percentage was 30.5% on 2.7 attempts a game. And his best mid-range percentage was 41.4% taking over 36 percent of his shots from that area that year.

That 3 point rate is really bad, and his mid-range shot while good is not elite and should not be something that points to him ever expanding his range.




Now, this is a tough thread because I won't pick 2nd or 3rd year players. Especially guys that went in the lottery, as they are expected to have significant jumps in production early on. So, leaving those players out I have to go with Derrick Favors and Jonas Valanciunas.

Favors I can see putting up 19/9/2 over starting minutes while posting above average efficiency rates.
Valanciunas I can see putting up 17/10 on near elite efficiency.

I like the Val favors picks, but as far as derozan goes, he's been more efficient when playing with a stretch big (bargnani, bosh) and Patterson when on the floor together. The extra spacing combined with the change of system next year I expect him to get more shots at the rim, and less forced attempts from midrange. His corner 3 has been solid for 2 years now
On defence he is average because he usually saves his energy for offense, but torontos defence as a whole went from 9th to 26th when he was injured

PowerHouse
08-10-2015, 08:49 PM
Im definitely interested in seeing how Jordan Clarkson improves next year since he'll be getting big minutes from the get-go and playing with an improved roster around him. The scoring average and efficiency should increase especially playing with a guy like Russell and his court-vision.

5ass
08-10-2015, 08:59 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Middleton, Giannas, or Monroe make the all star team this year. If Parker was healthy and going to be ready for opening night he'd be on that list as well.
I'm also interested to see if/how much MCW has improved. A offseason being coached up by Kidd as well as working with a shooting coach the bucks hired for him and Giannas should pay off. I don't think he jumps to an all star caliber player this year unless he averaged close to a triple double, but if he makes big improvement this off season and next he could maybe reach that level in 2 years.

Outside of the Bucks players I'm going to keep an eye on to see if they can reach all star levels or improve are Drummond, Jackson, Mirotic, Mcbuckets, Smart, Sullinger, Noel, Detoxing, Lowry, Carrol, JV, Tetelovic, Oladipo, Harris, Vuc, Whiteside, Kemba, Batum, Schroeder, Teague, and there's more I'm forgetting that's just off the top of my head for the east

Good list. I'd take out Kemba, Batum, Teague, Sullinger, Carroll, Lowry and Vucevic though. I don't see any f them making significant improvements. Compared to the west, I think the east has better young talent. In the west I like Burks, Kawhi and Terrence Jones. Maybe even Gallinari can finally stay healthy and put up 20ppg.

For the Magic I'd also add Payton and Fournier. Payton is an older sophomore and he was ablr to improve significantly throughout the season last year. I see him being a very solid PG next year. Fournier would be an easy choice for me if we didn't just draft Mario. If he gets close to 30mpg he'll average 15-3-3 and be one of the best bench players in the league.

EDUTEXANS
08-10-2015, 09:17 PM
I'm high on CJ McCollum. He's poised for a big role now with Matthews and Batum (and evrybody else really) gone.

As a biased pick, I expect a lot of great things from Motiejunas in Houston, but as a 4th or 5th option on offense, on a loaded team, people might not really notice it. But he's made huge strides. His post game is amazing.

bucketss
08-10-2015, 09:23 PM
Corey Jo

ChongInc.
08-10-2015, 10:37 PM
I like that. Cory jo.

With Scola being the only other guy who can score inside, and Biyombo on to help take some of the defensive load off.. Val is going to put up 17+ points and we'll need at least 10rbs/game from him.

curtcocaine
08-10-2015, 11:05 PM
Harrison Barnes and Jordan Clarkson

SportsFanatic10
08-10-2015, 11:09 PM
I know as a Heat fan I'm probably a bit biased, but with that disclaimer out of the way I think Hassan Whiteside is going to beast out this year. I believe he'll show that his production in limited time last year was no fluke, and now starting for a full season will make the allstar team. Oh and he's making under 1m and will be a free agent after the season. Talk about motivation...

All-In
08-11-2015, 12:18 AM
Players I like are:

Evan Fournier, I think he just needs to stay healthy and play consistent minutes

Dwight Powell, he fits Dallas' offensive system very well and I think with with a weak frontcourt he may be relied upon more

Damien Inglis, the Buck that no one talks about haha....he was injured all of last year so I expect him to play better 2nd half of the season depending on whether he gets minutes, I hope he does

TJ Warren, I just think he has a knack for scoring, he was pretty inconsistent last year but he definitely showed what he was capable of

Branden Dawson, will be Clippers "glue guy"

Elijah Millsap, Now with no Dante Exum, he might get more minutes, hes nothing special on offense but was a great team defender last year

None of these guys are super-stats guys but their contributions will be felt on-court in some break-out fashion

bucketss
08-11-2015, 12:24 AM
jordan clarkson
corey joseph
otto porter
biyombo
reggie jackson

2-ONE-5
08-11-2015, 08:42 AM
Beal is the answer here.

beasted86
08-12-2015, 04:01 PM
I'm high on CJ McCollum. He's poised for a big role now with Matthews and Batum (and evrybody else really) gone.

As a biased pick, I expect a lot of great things from Motiejunas in Houston, but as a 4th or 5th option on offense, on a loaded team, people might not really notice it. But he's made huge strides. His post game is amazing.
McCollum is a great pick.

They will be empty stats, but I'm sure his scoring will go through the roof now.

Shammyguy3
08-12-2015, 08:55 PM
Beal is the answer here.

the only issue with him is health, he should be a far more efficient player than he has been

da ThRONe
08-13-2015, 03:54 AM
Has to be Andre Drummond. With Monroe gone and more shooters he's in line for a Dwight Howard with the Magic type season. He's like Shaq and Dwight had a baby. He should be a 24 and 12 type player next year.

slashsnake
08-13-2015, 04:57 AM
Jonas Valuciunas (just needs the minutes to be a double double machine)

Dennis Schroder (Atlanta won't be hitting the same pace as last year and may look to shake up the roster, or trade a PG for help elsewhere... Thought Schroder looked good in the few games he started)

Derrick Favors (thought he played better when Kanter left, who else? and has physical skill)



Just guys I kinda liked last year that I think

2-ONE-5
08-13-2015, 08:38 AM
Every year JV is picked and every year it doesnt happen.

ewing
08-13-2015, 10:09 AM
Beal is the answer here.

that happened two years ago

Gander13SM
08-13-2015, 10:10 AM
Middleton was so underrated last year. He was easily a top 10 defensive player in the league. This year he might get some of the credit he deserves because I expect the Bucks to make some noise out East. I don't envision them having much success in the post season but with the east being what it is I definitely think they'll have a good regular season. There's a few guys on their roster who could have a breakout season. It's such a young squad, athletically gifted, strong characters who seem to be willing to put forth the effort required to keep getting better and they're well coached. I like them a lot.

I'm also going to throw Motiejunas and Clarkson if they get good minutes. Wiggins is a safe bet and I really like Meyers Leonard. Rooting for Cody Zeller but not expecting much.

Gander13SM
08-13-2015, 10:19 AM
Oh. And Gordon Hayward!

ManRam
08-13-2015, 12:21 PM
DeMar DeRozan has been a breakout candidate for like 5 years now it feels like. At this point he is what he is.

I think MKG finally gets the recognition he deserves as potentially the best perimeter defender in the league. Gobert is an obvious choice now that Kanter is gone for the full season.

Shabazz. Cody Zeller. Otto Porter. Nurkic. Hopefully Beal.


Hopefully someone on the Magic. Dipo, Elf and AG all have tons of room to grow.

deaner
08-13-2015, 12:38 PM
I'm going with Lowry. These Instagram pics of his body transformation have me believing he is serious this season.

2-ONE-5
08-13-2015, 01:23 PM
that happened two years ago

no it didnt. Scoring 17PPG on 41% shooting in your 2nd year is breaking out into a potential star

2-ONE-5
08-13-2015, 01:25 PM
I'm going with Lowry. These Instagram pics of his body transformation have me believing he is serious this season.

He is well past being broken out and we have seen his best, which is all-star level production. He just needs to stay healthy to maintain it

ewing
08-13-2015, 01:29 PM
no it didnt. Scoring 17PPG on 41% shooting in your 2nd year is breaking out into a potential star


he scored 17 a game and was clearly his team's best player in the post season. how but better do you expect him to be this year? Do you think Beal is going to drop 25 and 55% b/c unless he does he is a following a normal progression and not "breaking out"

2-ONE-5
08-13-2015, 01:53 PM
make a bigger impact through the course of the season, not shoot 40%, add to his game and become a better overall play maker and ball handler, get to the line more, ya know actual star qualities. most importantly stay healthy to have a chance to show all that

Scoots
08-13-2015, 03:02 PM
make a bigger impact through the course of the season, not shoot 40%, add to his game and become a better overall play maker and ball handler, get to the line more, ya know actual star qualities. most importantly stay healthy to have a chance to show all that

I would expect all of that from Steph Curry too, but doing so would certainly not be him "breaking out".

2-ONE-5
08-13-2015, 04:13 PM
Bcuz he is already a super star, Beal isnt even an All Star and is more one dimensional right now

THE MTL
08-14-2015, 08:27 AM
Why are guys like Derozan, Lowry, Griffin on the list. I consider these guys to have broken out already. All-stars and team leaders who have already averaged 20+ppg (17 in lowry case).

Chronz
08-14-2015, 01:47 PM
Why are guys like Derozan, Lowry, Griffin on the list. I consider these guys to have broken out already. All-stars and team leaders who have already averaged 20+ppg (17 in lowry case).

Nba history that's why

JasonJohnHorn
08-14-2015, 03:44 PM
My top pick is Reggie Jackson. I'm not a big fan of the signing (way too much money), but looking at his Detroit-only stats last year, they were pretty impressive, especially in terms of making plays.

SVG doesn't have a lot of options, unless their pick turns out to be an All-Star in the making, so I'm guessing he's going to lean heavy on Jackson and the number will shoot up for him.


Beal would be my second pick. With Paul Pierce gone, that will be a little bit of a bigger load for him to carry, and he'll get the ball more at the end of the game than he was, not to mention he has progressed each year and the Wizards have been improving as a team as well, so I think they'll be making a jump together this year.


Hard to say other than that. Guys from the rookie class two or three years ago will likely see dramatic improvement, but it's hard to say who is in a position to improve the most.


For those suggesting Drummond will jump out... I think his game will improve, but at the end of the day, he's a beef DaJ. His rebounding will be near the top of the league, if not the top, but I don't expect his scoring to be much better given that he isn't a scorer.

And for the Harrison Barnes.... he doesn't have room to do too much more than what he is already doing. He was already getting a lot of minutes, and with Curry and Klay both playing like franchise players, and guys like Iggy and Green on the roster (especially the way Green is improving himself), there won't be enough balls on the court for Barnes to see a significant increase statistically, even if he improves dramatically as a player. It will be an instance where he gets 13 points on 9 shots instead of 10 points on 8. Or his percentages will all go up, but his shots don't, so he only sees a minimal statistical improvement. Sadly, the voters don't always vote for MIP, but rather biggest scoring increase, which means guys on stacked teams who see significant improvement won't get recognized unless the dethrone the team's franchise player, which I doubt will happen with Curry and Klay on the team.

So... Reggie Jackson.... he'll be asked to carry a heavy load and have the best chance of raising his career averages across the board, which is what voters look for.

Scoots
08-14-2015, 04:09 PM
Reggie Jackson is a good pick.

I wonder what the coaching changes will do for other under-performing players (for some the change happened during last season):
Lance Stephenson
Enes Kanter
MCW

I'm sure there are others.