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Redsox07Champs
08-10-2015, 10:50 AM
This is what I hope to be the 2016 Opening Day lineup.

1.) Betts CF
2.) Pedroia 2B
3.) Bogearts SS
4.) Ortiz DH
5.) C. Davis 1B (Would basically be Napoli 2.0)
6.) Castillo LF
7.) Holt 3B
8.) Swihart or Vazquez C
9.) Bradley Jr. RF

Please get rid of Sandoval and Hanley; they are awful fits. Send Pablo/good prospects to SD for Sheilds(and possibly Kimbrel?) and Hanley to an AL team that needs a bat/DH (Cleveland, Minnesota, Baltimore if Davis leaves?). Also, sign a top free agent SP (Price, Greinke is he opts out, Zimmerman, Cueto) I think Miley and/or Porcello need to go. Miley would be easier to trade because of his cheap contract and I can see him being traded to an NL team. A rotation of this would definitely bring balance...

1.) Price/Greinke/Zimmerman/Cueto
2.) Buchholz
3.) Sheilds
4.) E. Rod
5.) Porcello

celticsman2009
08-10-2015, 12:20 PM
C. Swihart/Vasquez
1B. ???
2B. Betts
SS. Bogaerts
3B. Holt
LF. Castillo
CF. Bradley
RF. Heyward (I suppose)
DH. Ortiz (bleh)

Try to trade Panda, Hanley and Pedroia for a pitcher.


P. E-Rod
P. Miley
P. Porcellblow
P. Owens/Johnson
P. Trade or FA signing

Completely gut the BP. all new pitchers.

papipapsmanny
08-10-2015, 12:45 PM
Betts CF
Pedroia 2B
Heyward RF
Ramirez 1B
Ortiz DH
Bogaerts SS
Castillo LF
Sandoval 3B
Swihart C

Gray
Carrasco
Buchholz
Porcello
Miley

Super ambitious on the Rotation: I'd be willing to lose E-Rod, Margot, Owens, Johnson, Travis, JBJ, Marrero, Kopech, and Shaw to get those two guys in the rotation. That pool of players I'd be open to for those guys

RedSoxtober
08-10-2015, 01:05 PM
FWIW, in 60 games (253PA) since May 27 Ortiz has hit .269/.364/.557 with 17HR and 47RBI. That's not to bleh for the DH slot.

celticsman2009
08-10-2015, 01:12 PM
FWIW, in 60 games (253PA) since May 27 Ortiz has hit .269/.364/.557 with 17HR and 47RBI. That's not to bleh for the DH slot.

I understand that. The bleh was because despite his production, he's getting annoying to deal with, and he's focused on getting 500 HR. If the production is there and he doesn't suck for the first few months then fine.

papipapsmanny
08-10-2015, 06:18 PM
FWIW, in 60 games (253PA) since May 27 Ortiz has hit .269/.364/.557 with 17HR and 47RBI. That's not to bleh for the DH slot.

Yeah. He has a .439 wOBA since the break, still mashes RHPs, and still walks a lot. At some damn point he won't be productive, but it seems he is going out like Frank Thomas. Not insane decline... just kind of fading/Turning down.

If he figured out lefties again for one more season he would be quite alright

Bo Sox Fan
08-10-2015, 07:37 PM
Let's get back to being a powerhouse and focus on pitching, defence, and players who can handle a big market.

1. R Mookie Betts RF
2. R Dustin Pedroia 2B
3. L David Ortiz DH
4. R Hanley Ramirez LF
5. R Xander Bogaerts SS
6. S Pablo Sandoval 1B
7. R Jung Ho Kang 3B
8. S Blake Swihart C
9. L Jackie Bradley Jr. CF

OF Rusney Castillo (platoons with Bradley Jr.)
C Ryan Hanigan
UT Sean Rodriguez
- TBD by injuries


RHP Johnny Cueto (6 years, $162 mil w/a 7th year $25 mil team option. $3 mil buyout)
RHP Sonny Gray
RHP Clay Buchholz
LHP Eduardo Rodriguez
RHP Rick Porcello

RHP Koji Uehara
LHP Sean Doolittle
RHP Junichi Tazawa
LHP Tommy Lane
RHP Ryan Cook
RHP Joe Kelly
RHP Steven Wright


How we got there:

To Boston
SP Sonny Gray
RP Sean Doolittle

To Oakland
3B Rafael Devers
OF Manuel Margot
SP Henry Owens
SP Brian Johnson
RP Pat Light
1B Sam Travis

--------------------

To Boston
3B Jung Ho Kang
UT Sean Rodriguez

To Pittsburgh
SP Wade Miley (Replaces Burnett)
UT Brock Holt
SS Javier Guerra
3B Travis Shaw

- What I want and what will actually happen are 2 different stories.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
08-10-2015, 10:21 PM
You're not gonna be able to move Pablo at all this off-season. Maybe Hanley, but the Sox might have to eat some of the money depending on the deal. As of now, I'd move Pablo to first, have Hanley play third and trade Holt.

Oakmont_4
08-11-2015, 06:48 AM
Let's get back to being a powerhouse and focus on pitching, defence, and players who can handle a big market.

1. R Mookie Betts RF
2. R Dustin Pedroia 2B
3. L David Ortiz DH
4. R Hanley Ramirez LF
5. R Xander Bogaerts SS
6. S Pablo Sandoval 1B
7. R Jung Ho Kang 3B
8. S Blake Swihart C
9. L Jackie Bradley Jr. CF

OF Rusney Castillo (platoons with Bradley Jr.)
C Ryan Hanigan
UT Sean Rodriguez
- TBD by injuries


RHP Johnny Cueto (6 years, $162 mil w/a 7th year $25 mil team option. $3 mil buyout)
RHP Sonny Gray
RHP Clay Buchholz
LHP Eduardo Rodriguez
RHP Rick Porcello

RHP Koji Uehara
LHP Sean Doolittle
RHP Junichi Tazawa
LHP Tommy Lane
RHP Ryan Cook
RHP Joe Kelly
RHP Steven Wright


How we got there:

To Boston
SP Sonny Gray
RP Sean Doolittle

To Oakland
3B Rafael Devers
OF Manuel Margot
SP Henry Owens
SP Brian Johnson
RP Pat Light
1B Sam Travis

--------------------

To Boston
3B Jung Ho Kang
UT Sean Rodriguez

To Pittsburgh
SP Wade Miley (Replaces Burnett)
UT Brock Holt
SS Javier Guerra
3B Travis Shaw

- What I want and what will actually happen are 2 different stories.

This is right on the money, except I'd keep Holt and PIT keeps Rodriguez.

randyisgoinsolo
08-11-2015, 10:07 AM
So I have this crazy idea, don't get mad or try to chop my head off because this is only an idea and not sure if it will work in money terms. Lets say the Red Sox do hire Dombroski and he comes up with a trade with the tigers, he trade Hanley, Fatblo and a couple prospects to the Tigers for Miggy, V-Martinez and some cash to the Red Sox. Do you think the Tigers pull the trigger on that trade?
you will have.


CF Betts
2B Pedroia
3B Miggy
DH Ortiz
1B V-Martinez
LF Hayward if he's ok playing left field
SS Bogaerts
RF Castillo
C Swihart/Vazquez

1. Cueto/Price/Zimmermann it would be cool if the Sox can pony up the cash get one of these guys in free agency
2. Gray/Ross/Carrasco a good trade for one of these guys could sure be great
3. E-Rod
4. Miley
5. Porcello

Steven Wright
Kelly
Cook
Layne
Tazawa
Koji
Kimbrel if the trade is good with the Padres

RedSoxtober
08-11-2015, 11:24 AM
So I have this crazy idea, don't get mad or try to chop my head off because this is only an idea and not sure if it will work in money terms. Lets say the Red Sox do hire Dombroski and he comes up with a trade with the tigers, he trade Hanley, Fatblo and a couple prospects to the Tigers for Miggy, V-Martinez and some cash to the Red Sox. Do you think the Tigers pull the trigger on that trade?
you will have.

No. Cabrera is still raking when he's on the field (185 OPS+) and V-Mart has only been down for one season. They'd have to believe that V-Mart is completely washed up, which seems unlikely given the deal they just signed him to. I don't see the motivation for DET unless "a couple of prospects" happen to be guys like Margot and Devers.

Generally speaking it seems that lots of folks are falling into the idea of swapping big contracts as if all big contracts are necessarily bad.

Dombroski also seems extremely unlikely to come to BOS. Not picking on you here but just trying to comment on all the talk about it generally. Dombroski has operated with relative autonomy for more than a decade so coming into a structure where he'd need Henry/Kennedy to sign off on his work seems unlikely; adding BC into the mix beneath him is even more awkward. The 1976 expansion kids (SEA, TOR) are all the buzz right now. IMO SEA has a slight advantage because of the exchange rate issue that has always hampered TOR.

Norieaga
08-11-2015, 01:35 PM
We're not getting Cabrera, he's still great when he's on the field. And he definitely wouldn't play 3B for us, too late for that. My team would look the same, I'd just sign Cueto or Price to roughly a $180-210M deal. I would try to trade Sandoval for Shields.

ruckus16969
08-11-2015, 05:59 PM
I go after Votto and Chapman. Then go get Shields. Then sign one of Price Cueto or Zimmerman and try to get a couple really good BP arms

papipapsmanny
08-11-2015, 06:03 PM
I don't like that Doolittle, Gray deal at all.

Screw Doolittle

I'd try and do JBJ, Owens, Travis, and Margot for Gray, throw in someone like Shaw if we have to. It would hurt, but I could live with that, especially for Gray. And I can't see the A's having a problem with that either.

3,4, and 10 prospects, and Two looking at least replacement level players.


I'd also try and trade Johnson, E-Rod, and Marrero for Carrasco (Who is a boss, with an extremely friendly contract)

Yes the Losses are a lot, but Devers, Moncada, Swihart, Bogaerts, Vazquez, Betts, Espinoza, Guerra, Espinoza, Chavis, Benintendi, and Kopech are all really talented and young pieces to build around. Not to mention another high Draft pick.

Gray
Carrasco
Buchholz
Porcello
Miley
(Wright 6th, longman) is a very good rotation

ruckus16969
08-11-2015, 07:39 PM
****double post**** so I'll write another one.

We keep Betts Rusney and JBJ in out field.

Try to dump HanRam. If not able pay Ortiz to walk and and DH him. HanRam + to the Padres for Kimbrel?? Maybe Shields

Pablo XB Pedi in the if and go after Votto. Unless Shaw rakes all year. If we can get Votto and Chapman together great.

Sign a big one of Cueto or Price

JBJ
Betts
Pedey
HanRam/Ortiz
Rusney
XB
Votto/Shaw
Pablo hitting 8th yikes
Swihart

Price/Cueto
Shields
Miley
ERod
Porcello

(Buch would be send to cinci with Jonson) (Owens to San Diego)

Holt
Vasquez
Shaw
Marrero

Chapman
Kimbrel
Koji
Tazwa
Kelly

Great team that will be great for years.

ruckus16969
08-11-2015, 08:16 PM
Unless we want to try a young rotation of.....

ERod
Buch
Owens
Johnson
Porcello
Wright for when Buchholtz gets hurt.

Kelly to the pen or traded
Miley traded as part of a package for Votto and Chapman

Then we still trade for more BP arms

Bo Sox Fan
08-11-2015, 09:03 PM
The Red Sox could be really selfish with there prospects this winter and just go sign 2 stud free agent starters while moving a vet or two like Miley and Buchholz for an average return with the sole intention of freeing up more cap space, even if the ball club is slightly over the luxury tax after two new acquisitions. How about this?

Cueto
Samardzija
Rodriguez
Porcello
Owens/Johnson

ruckus16969
08-12-2015, 12:55 AM
I don't want to hold on to all our prospects. End up with 10 Lars Andersons. The front office needs to be smart in there evaluations and trade off who they don't believe will have good carrers here.

With the pieces we have we could build a great team quickly

Redsox07Champs
08-12-2015, 08:46 AM
I think the biggest thing that everyone is in agreement with is that Boston needs to go sign an ace. I'm starting to wonder if they didn't give Lester the big money because they knew these guys were going to be free agents. If that's not the case, I hope the FO learned their lesson and get one or two guys, because they need it. BC has shown that he can spend money, even though it's been for shorter years. I honestly think he's going to pony up for Price or a Zimmerman. Idk about Cueto because he's 30 and I feel like he's an injury waiting to happen. Should be an interesting off season.

RedSoxtober
08-12-2015, 10:54 AM
^ Unfortunately I think that the FO (particuarly LL) tried to get greedy with Lester. They knew full well that he would turn down their initial offer but they intentionally lowballed it as a negotiating tactic hoping to play on his love for the Red Sox and keep the price closer to $20M/yr. What they did wrong was go both low ($17.5M/yr) and short (4yrs). While they attempted to play that as acting on principles, it produced an offer so low that there was no way to counter without looking like a greedy a-hole for asking for something approaching market value.

I don't expect the Sox to spend like drunken sailors (again) this offseason but at least without LL forcing some questionable offers we might get more traction on the market.

celticsman2009
08-12-2015, 12:25 PM
I want no one back from this current BP next year. Koji sure. Taz has been incredibly bad over the past 2-3 weeks. He has seen his fastball velocity drop over the past few years and is always overworked. Time to part ways.

RedSoxtober
08-12-2015, 02:02 PM
Do you think that there might be a direct correlation between Tazawa's overuse and his diminishing results? That's something that quite possibly gets fixed with a more reliable MR/SU crew.

BGeer091
08-16-2015, 02:03 PM
I'd like to see us rebuild the bullpen too. I'm on the same thought process of dealing off some prospects. The only ones I'd keep are Devers, Moncada and Espinoza. Id move anyone else under the prospect label.

It'll be interesting to see what T.B and K.C do with McGee and Davis. If I read it correctly both have expensive options. While they are both worth it i feel like they could be available.

ruckus16969
08-17-2015, 07:45 PM
I'd hold on to Marreo and Shaw as well maybe Johnson

Bo Sox Fan
08-17-2015, 08:57 PM
There was a time just a few years ago when Anthony Rizzo, Ryan Lavarnway, Casey Kelly, Reymond Fuentes and Matt Barnes were the next "sure" thing in the Red Sox farm system.

To date, only Rizzo lived up to his potential in that entire list and Barnes is the only one left in the organization. He also just happens to be getting his *** handed to him tonight... again.

Not a single prospect in this minor league system should be untouchable with the exception of Moncada and Espinoza.

RedSoxtober
08-17-2015, 10:41 PM
There was a time just a few years ago when Anthony Rizzo, Ryan Lavarnway, Casey Kelly, Reymond Fuentes and Matt Barnes were the next "sure" thing in the Red Sox farm system.

To pick on a minor point, Barnes was never in the system with anyone on this list except for Lavarnway (he was drafted after the others were traded to SDP for A-Gon). And Fuentes? When was he ever considered a top prospect? SoxProspects.com is usually VERY bullish on draftees and even they didn't put him in the top 10 (debuted at #15).

I'm not sure if you deliberately picked lightly from the list of prospects but you definitely seem to have missed more than a few promising guys who came through the system. Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley, Iglesias, Johnson, Kalish, Marrero, Middlebrooks, Owens, Ranaudo, Swihart, and Vazquez are all home grown guys who were contemporaries of Barnes and have spent steady time in the Sox top 10 and gotten at least a nice cup of coffee in MLB. Of those, Betts, Bogaerts, JBJ (finally), Iglesias, Swihart, and Vazquez seem to suggest that they could be at least MLB regulars. Ranaudo might be no more than a #5 or a MR at his peak and we haven't seen enough of Johnson or Owens to know one way or the other.

The big weakness for the Sox, perhaps obviously, is their inability to develop pitching. They've been overly committed to keeping top pitching draft picks in the SP category. I think Barnes is an example of a guy who could already be a very promising RP if they'd chosen to develop him that way. Light is an example of a change in thought on their part (finally). I'd be much more willing to deal one of the SP prospects now than in the past.

None of that contradicts your point that there should be very few untouchables. My list is longer than yours but not by a lot. I'm personally re-thinking how valuable prospects are from a solely developmental standpoint (vs. value in trade) after reading Speier's article on how top farm system status parlayed into long term success.

Norieaga
08-18-2015, 10:13 AM
I don't understand why Anthony Rizzo is in that list, he's one of the best hitters in the NL these days. I agree with the overall premise, however: prospects come and go. Andy Marte is another good example. I remember when Boras was quoted as saying Marte would become a $100M+ player.

My absolute untouchables are Betts, Bogaerts, and Swihart. I would use E-Rod to trade for a player of Sonny Gray's caliber.

RedSoxtober
08-18-2015, 12:27 PM
It's probably anathema to point out that, since his historic 3-game start E-Rod is 4-5, 6.40ERA, .284/.345/.470 slash against and has given up 9HR in 57.2IP. In that span he has had almost as many terrible starts (5ER+) as quality starts and his ERA has been on a pretty steady rise from start to start. His problem is not simply tipping pitches as once suggested. I'm not suggesting that the Sox should run from him but we should have a sober, objective look at him... and quite possibly wonder if his value will be higher than it is right now.

celticsman2009
08-18-2015, 01:05 PM
I hope Kopech is the real deal and that his drug violation wont hurt him.

Bo Sox Fan
08-18-2015, 01:16 PM
I just hope we acquire a legitimate ace and a complimentary co ace for a #2 and I don't care who our #3, 4 & 5 starters are since we have a dozen of those types already in the organization to fill out the rotation.

Dunnie47
08-18-2015, 04:16 PM
I think i would start by trying to trade Pablo. I know that people are having a hard time, but i think that if you can get him back to the west coast, (Giants dont need him) but say to the Angels (Freese contract over at end of season) or the Padres (who were looking to get him in the first place. Boston is just one of those places that not all players can play here. I was against the signing in the beginning i was more for Hanley but i can say now that was a horrible pick up as well. THough i think that we might be able to get Hanley to man first (i will not say play or defend 1st) because lets be honest Hanley wont work anywhere and that is why we will have a hard time trading him. We would need to eat all of his contract and it would need to be to a team that has a strong clubhouse and wont have him trash it with his attitude. (only teams i can think of that can do that are the Angels, but with Pujols they will need DH open, and maybe Toroto but again with their players they will need space.) I cant see a team like the Astos, Twins, Indians or Royals take him on. They have too young of a team and bringing in a player like Hanley could turn that team horribly. The Red Soxs are a prime example. I wish this is some where i coudl look this up. But i feel that the Sox record has to be better without Hanley in the line up then when it is.

But back to the 2016 team
C. Swihart/ Vasquez
1 Hanley/ shaw
2nd Peddy/ Holt
SS Bogarts
3rd Beltre i think that we could get him from Texas has they have Gallo a cheaper option in the minors, (trade Miley +prospects) We would only have Beltre for 1 year. So in the Pablo deal get Cowart maybe> or use Beltre as a bridge to hopefully Devers. MLB site has him ready in 2017 (going off of their site prediction)
LF Castillo/ JBJ
CF Betts/ JBJ
RF Parra/ JBJ
4th OF JBJ (has parra as insurance to JBJ in case he can not keep up with his pace. But i think we should build on cheaper defensive OF that way we can spend more on pitching.)
DH ORtiz although i wish he would hit is 500th homer this year. and go away either retire (that would be ideal) or trade him. I am sick of his i am bigger than the team. He is another player that is not good to have around younger players i feel.

Bench
JBJ
Vasquez swihart
Holt
4th OF
Checinni

SP
Price/Zimmerman
Carrasco/ Ross
Porcello
E Rod
Heaney (in the PAblo Deal) I know that he has not been great so far. BUt he is a young live arm that our farm system hopefully will not destroy.

Bullpen
Wright
Taz ( i believe that he has been over worked and if we can make a deal for a real closer than we can lighten his work load)
Koji (no longer a closer)
Layne
Kelly Long Relief
Another lefty specialist. (I am not good with relievers )
Kimbrel/Chapman

but then for players that would need to be traded to get teh likes of Heaney, Ross/Carrasco, Kimbrel/chapman. Beltre

Pablo
Barnes
Owens/Johnson
Workman( I know he is is recovering from TJ but add him as PTBNL)
Craig
Marrero
Trey Ball
then a bunch of lower level prospects to end it.
Shaw


Looking at something like this. I think that the Defense will be better. (outside of first) hopefully the rest can make up for him. HAs a great outfield will certainly help stop extra basehits.

This is football season so i am thinking out loud right now. Nothing too crazy. But i hope that the front office learned that you need to get an ACE + another. 5 number 4s is not going to get you very far.

ruckus16969
08-18-2015, 07:55 PM
I think i would start by trying to trade Pablo. I know that people are having a hard time, but i think that if you can get him back to the west coast, (Giants dont need him) but say to the Angels (Freese contract over at end of season) or the Padres (who were looking to get him in the first place. Boston is just one of those places that not all players can play here. I was against the signing in the beginning i was more for Hanley but i can say now that was a horrible pick up as well. THough i think that we might be able to get Hanley to man first (i will not say play or defend 1st) because lets be honest Hanley wont work anywhere and that is why we will have a hard time trading him. We would need to eat all of his contract and it would need to be to a team that has a strong clubhouse and wont have him trash it with his attitude. (only teams i can think of that can do that are the Angels, but with Pujols they will need DH open, and maybe Toroto but again with their players they will need space.) I cant see a team like the Astos, Twins, Indians or Royals take him on. They have too young of a team and bringing in a player like Hanley could turn that team horribly. The Red Soxs are a prime example. I wish this is some where i coudl look this up. But i feel that the Sox record has to be better without Hanley in the line up then when it is.

But back to the 2016 team
C. Swihart/ Vasquez
1 Hanley/ shaw
2nd Peddy/ Holt
SS Bogarts
3rd Beltre i think that we could get him from Texas has they have Gallo a cheaper option in the minors, (trade Miley +prospects) We would only have Beltre for 1 year. So in the Pablo deal get Cowart maybe> or use Beltre as a bridge to hopefully Devers. MLB site has him ready in 2017 (going off of their site prediction)
LF Castillo/ JBJ
CF Betts/ JBJ
RF Parra/ JBJ
4th OF JBJ (has parra as insurance to JBJ in case he can not keep up with his pace. But i think we should build on cheaper defensive OF that way we can spend more on pitching.)
DH ORtiz although i wish he would hit is 500th homer this year. and go away either retire (that would be ideal) or trade him. I am sick of his i am bigger than the team. He is another player that is not good to have around younger players i feel.

Bench
JBJ
Vasquez swihart
Holt
4th OF
Checinni

SP
Price/Zimmerman
Carrasco/ Ross
Porcello
E Rod
Heaney (in the PAblo Deal) I know that he has not been great so far. BUt he is a young live arm that our farm system hopefully will not destroy.

Bullpen
Wright
Taz ( i believe that he has been over worked and if we can make a deal for a real closer than we can lighten his work load)
Koji (no longer a closer)
Layne
Kelly Long Relief
Another lefty specialist. (I am not good with relievers )
Kimbrel/Chapman

but then for players that would need to be traded to get teh likes of Heaney, Ross/Carrasco, Kimbrel/chapman. Beltre

Pablo
Barnes
Owens/Johnson
Workman( I know he is is recovering from TJ but add him as PTBNL)
Craig
Marrero
Trey Ball
then a bunch of lower level prospects to end it.
Shaw


Looking at something like this. I think that the Defense will be better. (outside of first) hopefully the rest can make up for him. HAs a great outfield will certainly help stop extra basehits.

This is football season so i am thinking out loud right now. Nothing too crazy. But i hope that the front office learned that you need to get an ACE + another. 5 number 4s is not going to get you very far.

There is no way in hell that the Angels give us Heaney for Pablo Sandaval. Not happening we would have to throw in Owens or Johnson type prospect. Heaney has been very good and is cheap and controllable for 4 or 5 more years.

As for Beltre hell no. I'd rather through Holt or Shaw over there. Beltre has gotta be almost 40. I'd take him ONLY if we could give them like our 25 to 30 prospect or if they took a pretty bad contract from us.

Bo Sox Fan
08-18-2015, 11:41 PM
The 2016 Red Sox...

With Dombrowski now being handed a blank cheque to be in the fold, it pretty much assures that John Henry is fed up of losing and that one of Price, Cueto or Zimmerman is guaranteed to be a Red Sock along with a blockbuster trade to bring in another co-ace through trade.

Go get em Dave.

Dunnie47
08-19-2015, 12:37 AM
But i digress because now that Dave D is here, anything is available now. Lets not forget The Miggy Deal from the Marlins to the tigers Price deal with the Tigers Schezer deal with the Dback

Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis to Detroit.

The Tigers send outfielder Cameron Maybin, pitcher Andrew Miller, catcher Mike Rabelo and minor league pitchers Eulogio De La Cruz, Dallas Trahern and Burke Badenhop to the Marlins.

The Detroit Tigers added David PRice

The Rays received left-hander Drew Smyly and minor league infielder Willy Adames from the Tigers. Tampa Bay also got infielder Nick Franklin from Seattle, with Detroit outfielder Austin Jackson going to the Mariners.

I think that was a complete fleecing that Dave did to the Marlins. Will he be able to do it again who knows the Soxs do have a farm system to shake up the entire league. THey are saying that Frank WRen is the front runner to be the GM. He was the GM for the braves from 2007-2012 or close to.

I dont know what i think about Wren but i like the Dave D Move!

theGhost-isGone
08-19-2015, 07:24 AM
Angels receive:
Sandoval
Buchholz
Pedroia
Porcello
Craig
Marrero
Kopech
Ball
Grover Cleveland(s)

Sox receive
Mike Trout
Albert Pujols
CJ Wilson
David Freese

Papi retires, Betts to 2B and Hanley to DH, sign both Price and Cueto ala Pablo/HanRam last year (no way that blows up in our face at all, right?)

lineup:
2B Betts
CF Trout
DH Ramirez
SS Bogaerts
1B Pujols
C Swihart
RF/LF Castillo
LF/RF Bradley Jr.
3B Freese/Holt

bench:
C Vazquez
Util Holt
Util Rutledge
3B Cecchini
1B Shaw


Rotation:
Price
Cueto
E-Rod
Owens
Johnson/Miley


BP:
Uehara
CJ Wilson
Kelly
Layne
Barnes
Hembree
Escobar
Wright


cuz why not? Dombrowski make it happen :nod:

BostonSports96
08-20-2015, 12:31 AM
I don't understand why Anthony Rizzo is in that list, he's one of the best hitters in the NL these days. I agree with the overall premise, however: prospects come and go. Andy Marte is another good example. I remember when Boras was quoted as saying Marte would become a $100M+ player.

My absolute untouchables are Betts, Bogaerts, and Swihart. I would use E-Rod to trade for a player of Sonny Gray's caliber.

SONNY GRAY. SONNY GRAY. SONNY GRAY.

Hey, I mean DD pulled off Cabrera from the Marlins right? Anything is possible!

Anyone here read OverTheMonster's article about trading for Gray? Mentioned that even if Margot and/or Devers go for Gray, we still have Moncada, Espinoza, Benintendi, possibly Kopech and Guerra...plus all the young MLB talent already on the roster.

I would do Devers, Margot, Owens/E-Rod and a 4th spec for Gray.

Adding Gray and Ross/Carrasco/any of the FA pitchers completely changes our rotation.

BGeer091
08-20-2015, 10:45 AM
I think the Nationals move on from Harper this year. My reasons being is they know he won't resign with them. There's already tension between him and the organization as it is. While he's having a break out season his value might not ever be higher. So sorta like Miguel Cabrera for Florida.

I'd trade them Rusney( replaces Harper) 1 of ERod, Owens, Johnson + Margot + Guerra + 2 lower specs.

RedSoxtober
08-20-2015, 11:31 AM
SONNY GRAY. SONNY GRAY. SONNY GRAY.

Hey, I mean DD pulled off Cabrera from the Marlins right? Anything is possible!

Yay, Sonny Gray is the new Giancarlo Stanton. I know that I'm going to grow tired of these "He traded for Cabrera" references very quickly. It completely ignores the fact that Cabrera was in his final year of arbitration at the time of the deal and the uncompetitive Marlins were looking to move salaries they knew that they could not afford (easily 8 figures for Cabrera plus the salary dump of Dontrelle Willis). DD 'won' that trade hands down but the comparison to Sonny Gray, Carrasco, et al completely lacks a similar context for the trade.

RedSoxtober
08-20-2015, 11:37 AM
I think the Nationals move on from Harper this year. My reasons being is they know he won't resign with them. There's already tension between him and the organization as it is. While he's having a break out season his value might not ever be higher. So sorta like Miguel Cabrera for Florida.

I'd trade them Rusney( replaces Harper) 1 of ERod, Owens, Johnson + Margot + Guerra + 2 lower specs.

They don't have to worry about re-signing Harper for three more seasons (2018-19 FA) and his salary for 2016 is locked in at $5M from his rookie contract. The chances that the Nationals move on from him in a year where they're also at high risk for losing Zimmerman and Fister seems pretty low. It seems like more wishful speculation based on the false comparison to Cabrera I just mentioned; the scenarios are NOT similar.

Also, six players for Harper with at least 3-4 of them considered BA top 50 prospects for a guy who appears to have a self-centered worldview and Boras as his agent? No thank you.

Norieaga
08-20-2015, 02:02 PM
There's no reason for Washington to trade Harper, they're getting a top 5 player on a team-friendly contract 'til 2018. They didn't just commit $210M to Scherzer to blow it up, which is what trading Harper would do. They're going to re-tool in the off-season and make another run next year, which is the logical thing for them to do.

BGeer091
08-20-2015, 02:38 PM
There's no reason for Washington to trade Harper, they're getting a top 5 player on a team-friendly contract 'til 2018. They didn't just commit $210M to Scherzer to blow it up, which is what trading Harper would do. They're going to re-tool in the off-season and make another run next year, which is the logical thing for them to do.

That's true I was under the impression he was a f.a after 2016. If it is 2018 you're right absolutely no reason to trade him at all

ruckus16969
08-20-2015, 04:39 PM
I
Angels receive:
Sandoval
Buchholz
Pedroia
Porcello
Craig
Marrero
Kopech
Ball
Grover Cleveland(s)

Sox receive
Mike Trout
Albert Pujols
CJ Wilson
David Freese

Papi retires, Betts to 2B and Hanley to DH, sign both Price and Cueto ala Pablo/HanRam last year (no way that blows up in our face at all, right?)

lineup:
2B Betts
CF Trout
DH Ramirez
SS Bogaerts
1B Pujols
C Swihart
RF/LF Castillo
LF/RF Bradley Jr.
3B Freese/Holt

bench:
C Vazquez
Util Holt
Util Rutledge
3B Cecchini
1B Shaw


Rotation:
Price
Cueto
E-Rod
Owens
Johnson/Miley


BP:
Uehara
CJ Wilson
Kelly
Layne
Barnes
Hembree
Escobar
Wright


cuz why not? Dombrowski make it happen :nod:

Do you want an Ativan??

theGhost-isGone
08-20-2015, 08:45 PM
Do you want an Ativan??

I've never had one, will it give me back my brain? :laugh2:

ruckus16969
08-21-2015, 12:33 AM
I've never had one, will it give me back my brain? :laugh2:

It'll calm your thoughts for sure lol

RedSoxtober
08-21-2015, 03:55 PM
That's true I was under the impression he was a f.a after 2016. If it is 2018 you're right absolutely no reason to trade him at all

He did sign a contract that expires after next season but he'll still be under arbitration control for two years after that because of his service time.

Norieaga
08-21-2015, 06:13 PM
I'm sure that trade proposal was made as a joke, but there is literally nothing the Angels would trade Mike Trout for.

celticsman2009
08-21-2015, 06:33 PM
This is probably a more realistic lineup for next year. I'd move Hanley, maybe get BP pieces or prospects. I'd also try to move Castillo. Looking at what Benintendi is doing in the minors is insane. Plus, his Walk to strikeout ratios is crazy. I wanna see him at least at Portland next year to start.

RF Betts
2B Pedroia
SS Bogaerts
DH Ortiz
3B Sandoval
1B (Shaw?? Trade?)
LF Benintendi
C Swihart
CF Bradley

P Price
P Rodriguez
P Bucholz
P Porcello
P Miley/Johnson/Owens

BP Koji
BP Taz
BP
BP
BP Fill in the rest
BP
BP

win red sox
08-21-2015, 10:38 PM
A Dave Dombrowski perfect off-season

1) Art Moreno wants to make a playoff push and needs a left handed bat, same claims Pablo off of waivers.

2) Seattle is intriqued by adding another RH bat and works out at trade for Hanley+cash

3) Dave calls Jeffery Loria and advises him that his team needs to go through a rebuild, Dave then Calls Mr Stanton and gets him to waive his no trade clause.

Boston receives

OF Stanton
RH Capps

Miami receives

3b Devers
cf Benintendi
Sp Kopech
1B S Travis
2b Rijo

4) Dave then call Mike Rizzo, advises him that his clubs needs a drastic change and he's the man that can help him do that.

Boston receives

of B Harper
sp Strasburg

Washington receives

ss Bogearts
cf Betts
UT Holt
sp Buchholz
rp Tazawa

5) Dave then call Mark Shapiro and convinces him that Travis Shaw is the real deal. Shapiro bites

Boston receives

sp Carlos Carrasco

Cleveland receives

cf Margot
1b Shaw
sp Ball
3b Cecchini

6) Dave's final call is too Kevin Towers's, same advises him that Wade Miley is a perfect fit for petco and the talent of Rusney Castillo has been barely scratched. Kevin goes for it.

Boston receives

sp Ross
of Upton

San Diego receives

sp Miley
sp Johnson
of Castillo

Dave makes a free agent splash and signs

1b C Davis 5/90
3b Uribe 1/8
rp Parnell
rp Soria

Dave tries to trade Moncada, Guerra, and Espinoza for Chapman, but Mr Henry stops the madness.


cf JBJ
2b Pedroia
rf Harper
lf Stanton
dh Ortiz
3b Uribe
1b Davis
C Swihart
ss Marrero

1) Carrasco
2) Ross
3) Strasburg
4) E-rod
5) Porcello

cp Koji
rp Soria
rp Light
rp Parnell
rp Capps
rp Ross Jr
rp Kelly

MDBostonFan
08-22-2015, 12:03 AM
This not a prediction just a thought.
What if we didn't make any trades?
What if all of our prospects actually lived up to a scouts "potential prediction"?
I've gone through some of these prospects/comparisons and this is what might happen in a perfect world.

This could be the Red Sox in about 2018:
Player/Prospect (player comparison)

Batting order:
1. CF Betts (McCutchen)
2. SS Boegarts (Tulowitzki)
3. 3B Moncada (Cano)
4. DH Ramirez (Same)
5. C Swihart (Posey)
6. RF Castillo (Mini-Puig)
7. 1B Devers (Cano)
8. 2B Pedroia (Same)
9. LF Margot (S Marte)

Bench
SS Morrerro (Cozart)
C Vasquez (Y. Molina)

Rotation
1. Rodriguez LHP (J. Santana) Projected #1
2. Espinoza RHP (P. Martinez) Projected #1
3. Kopech RHP (S. Strasburg) Projected #2
4. Owens LHP (C Hamels) Projected #3
5. Johnson RHP (M Buerle) Projected #4-5
6. Porcello RHP (Same)

Before someone completely goes off on this - I'm not saying this will happen just if all the stars aligned and beer at Fenway was $1.50 for 16 ounces!

celticsman2009
08-22-2015, 10:59 AM
This not a prediction just a thought.
What if we didn't make any trades?
What if all of our prospects actually lived up to a scouts "potential prediction"?
I've gone through some of these prospects/comparisons and this is what might happen in a perfect world.

This could be the Red Sox in about 2018:
Player/Prospect (player comparison)

Batting order:
1. CF Betts (McCutchen)
2. SS Boegarts (Tulowitzki)
3. 3B Moncada (Cano)
4. DH Ramirez (Same)
5. C Swihart (Posey)
6. RF Castillo (Mini-Puig)
7. 1B Devers (Cano)
8. 2B Pedroia (Same)
9. LF Margot (S Marte)

Bench
SS Morrerro (Cozart)
C Vasquez (Y. Molina)

Rotation
1. Rodriguez LHP (J. Santana) Projected #1
2. Espinoza RHP (P. Martinez) Projected #1
3. Kopech RHP (S. Strasburg) Projected #2
4. Owens LHP (C Hamels) Projected #3
5. Johnson RHP (M Buerle) Projected #4-5
6. Porcello RHP (Same)

Before someone completely goes off on this - I'm not saying this will happen just if all the stars aligned and beer at Fenway was $1.50 for 16 ounces!

I'd Put Benintendi in instead of Margot

Bo Sox Fan
08-22-2015, 11:58 AM
Travis Shaw is my first baseman next year with Hanley at third.

Excited to see what Shaw and JBJ can do on an everyday basis when given a full time roll. Also like that they are both left handed in a right handed heavy lineup.

RedSoxtober
08-22-2015, 01:12 PM
In discussing how developing homegrown players remains the ideal, Dombrowski talked about dealing from surplus or redundancy. Where does that exist in the Boston system? You can look at center field, where there are three young potential center fielders on the major-league roster, Manuel Margot at Double-A and Andrew Benintendi in Single-A. You can look at shortstop, where Boston has Xander Bogaerts, Pawtucket Deven Marrero and Greenville Javier Guerra. You can look at catcher, where the Sox have both Blake Swihart and Christian Vazquez.Providence Journal

papipapsmanny
08-22-2015, 01:55 PM
Im up for deal Johnson, Margot, Shaw, JBJ, Marrero, Guerra, Travis, Kopech, and 1 of E-Rod/Owens

That should be able to get us two cost controlled good young SPs. Which I already wished for Gray, and Carrasco in that Scenario.

Trade Miley for a decent spec or 2, pick up Clay's option, move Kelly to the ****ing pen, have Wright as a 6th starter

Gray
Carrasco
Buchholz
Owens/E-Rod
Porcello

unrealistic... perhaps but that's what I want

BGeer091
08-22-2015, 04:35 PM
Personally I'd move Pedroia. I know he's our captain etc but he can't stay healthy. I honestly believe we could get something decent in return. This move Betts back to 2B. Bradley stays in center. It opens up a Ramirez, Bradley, Castillo OF.

I just don't believe Hanley or Panda are moved. I know this is our 2016 Redsox but I wanna stay realistic.

Idk if this deal is realistic but I'd trade Castillo and Tazawa for Zach Wheeler.

j-bay
08-22-2015, 05:56 PM
Alright i'm going to take a shot at this.

C-Swihart
1B-Shaw
2B-Pedroia
3B-Sandoval
SS-XB
LF-Betts
CF-JBJR
RF-Castillo
DH-Ortiz

Nor a lot of change. As much as I would like to see him gone, I can't see Panda going anywhere. Meanwhile I could see someone taking a chance on Hanley. It seems like Dave likes the MB-JB-RC trio. Shaw gets a shot to continue playing 1B.

Starters
Cueto/Price
Gray
E-Rod
Miley
Porcello

Price just came into the equation with Dombrowski coming in. But I still see Cueto as the more likely option. This week Cueto expressed interest in coming here, saying he would want to come here because we are "winners". Price could come if Dombrowski wants him, but it seems he would be harder to aquire. Meanwhile i'm guessing with Gray. If he is available, then we do got the prospects to aquire him. I can see a package around Owens, Margot, and Marrero.

ruckus16969
08-23-2015, 03:57 PM
A Dave Dombrowski perfect off-season

1) Art Moreno wants to make a playoff push and needs a left handed bat, same claims Pablo off of waivers.

2) Seattle is intriqued by adding another RH bat and works out at trade for Hanley+cash

3) Dave calls Jeffery Loria and advises him that his team needs to go through a rebuild, Dave then Calls Mr Stanton and gets him to waive his no trade clause.

Boston receives

OF Stanton
RH Capps

Miami receives

3b Devers
cf Benintendi
Sp Kopech
1B S Travis
2b Rijo

4) Dave then call Mike Rizzo, advises him that his clubs needs a drastic change and he's the man that can help him do that.

Boston receives

of B Harper
sp Strasburg

Washington receives

ss Bogearts
cf Betts
UT Holt
sp Buchholz
rp Tazawa

5) Dave then call Mark Shapiro and convinces him that Travis Shaw is the real deal. Shapiro bites

Boston receives

sp Carlos Carrasco

Cleveland receives

cf Margot
1b Shaw
sp Ball
3b Cecchini

6) Dave's final call is too Kevin Towers's, same advises him that Wade Miley is a perfect fit for petco and the talent of Rusney Castillo has been barely scratched. Kevin goes for it.

Boston receives

sp Ross
of Upton

San Diego receives

sp Miley
sp Johnson
of Castillo

Dave makes a free agent splash and signs

1b C Davis 5/90
3b Uribe 1/8
rp Parnell
rp Soria

Dave tries to trade Moncada, Guerra, and Espinoza for Chapman, but Mr Henry stops the madness.


cf JBJ
2b Pedroia
rf Harper
lf Stanton
dh Ortiz
3b Uribe
1b Davis
C Swihart
ss Marrero

1) Carrasco
2) Ross
3) Strasburg
4) E-rod
5) Porcello

cp Koji
rp Soria
rp Light
rp Parnell
rp Capps
rp Ross Jr
rp Kelly



Not sure if one of the Mods should call Dr. Drew or Dr. Phill to have you examined lol😉🔫

And or have you admitted to a drug and alcohol treatment facility.

Just playing bud.

Would be one hell an offseason if Even 2 of those moves where made

win red sox
08-23-2015, 05:31 PM
Not sure if one of the Mods should call Dr. Drew or Dr. Phill to have you examined lol😉🔫

And or have you admitted to a drug and alcohol treatment facility.

Just playing bud.

Would be one hell an offseason if Even 2 of those moves where made

just trying to have a little fun. I won't start putting together my off-season plan until after 9/1. hope no one took it serious.

-Lavigne43-
08-24-2015, 02:07 AM
Despite all of our issues, we have scored the 4th most runs in baseball. The smartest offseason plan might be to take advantage of our inexpensive young players and don't acquire any significantly costly position players. Focus all resources on pitching. Outfield of Mookie-JBjr-Castillo. Find a way to get rid of Hanley. There's no real answer out there for 1b, unless that Korean guy is legit. I don't trust Shaw will continue doing what he's doing, I'd check to see what his trade value is. If you can move Sandoval there without any ego issues that probably is the move while playing Holt at 3b.

Almost all resources this offseason should be spent on pitching. Improve the rotation and pen, we have the worst pitching staff in the league. I'm never a fan of acquiring big name relievers because the burnout rate is too high, it's often a terrible investment. Go with quantity and guys with promising peripherals.

The only pitchers I am fully confident will be in the rotation next year are EdRo and Porcello. Porcello is untradable and you have to hope he bounces back big time. Buchholz's option will be picked up, but I despise having a guy in the rotation that you can only reliably predict that he will miss significant time because of injury every season. Every year you have no idea if he will pitch well, or be a trainwreck. Yet his trade value is probably underwhelming, and he will likely be back in the rotation next season.

With two spots left I would heavily shop Miley. It's useful having a decent pitcher that can go 200 innings every year, but our rotation needs open spots to improve. With Miley gone we have the space to acquire two good starting pitchers. Maybe one in a trade and one free agent signing. Owens/Johnson get starts when Buchholz gets injured. Maybe you go deeper than this and trade Clay, acquiring 3 new starting pitchers.

So ultimately something like this for the offense. It lacks big power, and has the risk of being weak. It's the gamble you have to take though.

C- Swihart/Vazquez
1b- Sandoval
2b- Pedroia
SS- Xander
3B- Holt
LF- Betts
CF- JBjr
RF- Castillo
DH- Ortiz

You take the gamble that our youthful position players perform well so that we can focus the offseason on reconstructing the pitching staff.

1. Acquisition
2. Buchholz
3. Acquisition
4. Porcello
5. EdRo

And a multitude of bullpen acquisitions.

Bo Sox Fan
08-25-2015, 09:10 PM
Hanley Ramirez To Play First Base For Red Sox In 2016

August 25th, 2015 at 6:28pm CST • By Steve Adams

Hanley Ramirez‘s days as a left fielder — or even an infielder who plays on the left side of the diamond — look to be coming to a close, as he told the Boston media today that he will transition to first base for the 2016 season (via the Boston Herald’s Michael Silverman, on Twitter). Ramirez, in fact, said he may play there a bit before the end of the current season. He worked out at the position today and said he’s looking forward to the transition.

While position changes aren’t exactly the normal sort of thing we cover at MLBTR, Ramirez’s new defensive home will have a significant impact on the Red Sox’ roster construction. For one thing, it allows the team to move forward with a future outfield alignment of Jackie Bradley, Mookie Betts and Rusney Castillo. It also lessens the likelihood of the Sox searching for a first baseman this winter, which many had previously believed to be one of the team’s greatest needs behind improving the pitching staff (both in the rotation and in the bullpen).

The move does seem to further diminish the chances that the Red Sox will receive some positive value out of Allen Craig, whom the team acquired in the July 2014 trade that sent John Lackey to the Cardinals. Craig was outrighted off the 40-man roster earlier this season and went unclaimed due to his recent struggles and relatively sizable contract. Since heading to Pawtucket, he’s shown strong on-base skills but little in the way of power, slashing .272/.369/.341 with three homers. Boston still owes him $21MM through the end of the 2017 season.

Also impacted by the switch will be rookie first baseman Travis Shaw, who is currently hitting .329/.376/.600 with six homers in 93 plate appearances. Those numbers don’t line up with the 25-year-old’s minor league track record, but his excellent numbers to date did seem to have him in line to be a candidate for regular duty at first base next season in the absence of a move to solidify first base. Shaw played quite a bit of third base in the minors this season, so he could still be a 25-man roster candidate next Spring in a bench capacity at the very least.

Boston will hope that moving Ramirez from the outfield to first base restores some of the lost production in his bat. The 31-year-old is hitting just .254/.296/.435 on the season, and that overall line conceals how great his struggles have been for much of the year. Ramirez got off to a blistering start, batting .293/.341/.659 with 10 homers in the month of April. Since that time, he’s batted a paltry .244/.284/.376 with nine homers in 82 games. Additionally, he’s been arguably baseball’s worst defender. No qualified fielder at any position has posted a mark worse than Ramirez’s -19 Defensive Runs Saved, and his -16.7 Ultimate Zone Rating is also the worst in baseball (narrowly edging out teammate Pablo Sandoval‘s -16.1).

One can still imagine, of course, scenarios in which new Boston president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski attempts to unload the remaining $68.25MM on Ramirez’s four-year, $88MM contract this winter. Although in order to do so, he’d almost certainly have to take on another undesirable contract, as there figure to be few takers for a player that’s been below replacement level in 2015 and is owed $22.75MM annually through the 2018 season.

ruckus16969
08-27-2015, 02:37 PM
How would you guys like 2016 BP to look??

Bo Sox Fan
08-27-2015, 02:49 PM
Kimbrel
Uehara
Escobar (L)
Kelly
Layne (L)
Wright
Workman

Tazawa has been slipping more and more the past 2 years, he can go while his "name" still sounds reliable on the trade market.

I really hope the pen looks exactly like this next season. A lot of different arms in there.

Redsox07Champs
08-29-2015, 09:10 AM
I'm starting to wonder, even though Hanley said he will move to 1B, if he will even be around next year. Him moving to 1B and showing the willingness to learn during the season will only improve his stock to be traded. I understand the reasons for keeping him because he has 3 years left and his bat is dangerous, but I see many reasons to trade him. I think Dombrowski is thinking that they can prepare him for 1B just in case he stays, but they will try their best to trade him.

RedSoxtober
08-29-2015, 07:24 PM
Yes, that's exactly right. They need the latest Hanley experiment to at least provide the appearance of success to gain some leverage this offseason.

Corey
08-30-2015, 01:53 AM
If we can pawn him off, great. I wouldn't mind running Shaw out there with the way he's played.

If our worst case scenario was Hanley at first, I wouldn't hate it, assuming he's average at the position (tough assumption).

If he shows he can play the position it'll be easier to move him at the next deadline if the bat comes around.

elements1985
08-30-2015, 03:43 PM
I agree with Dombrowski's analysis: too much redundancy with this team's positional players. Shaw/Bradley/Betts/Swihart/Vasquez/Pedroia/Boegarts (not all the same, obviously but within the same genus for power).

IF (and this is a major if for the scouts to determine) Bradley is this caliber they need to decide between him and Betts in CF, trade the other. Under ideal circumstances you keep Bradley in CF, move Betts to 2B and trade Pedroia. But never gonna happen.... Maybe they sell high on JBJ.

And this thought of acquiring two 30 million pitchers is fantasy happen. With Porcello that's 3 players comprising almost half the payroll.

ruckus16969
08-31-2015, 04:26 AM
I agree with Dombrowski's analysis: too much redundancy with this team's positional players. Shaw/Bradley/Betts/Swihart/Vasquez/Pedroia/Boegarts (not all the same, obviously but within the same genus for power).

IF (and this is a major if for the scouts to determine) Bradley is this caliber they need to decide between him and Betts in CF, trade the other. Under ideal circumstances you keep Bradley in CF, move Betts to 2B and trade Pedroia. But never gonna happen.... Maybe they sell high on JBJ.

And this thought of acquiring two 30 million pitchers is fantasy happen. With Porcello that's 3 players comprising almost half the payroll.

I wouldn't trade either of them. Keep all 3 and have the best defensive OF in the game for the next 6 years. That's if Bradley can maintain this if not then trade him for use him as a 4th OF'r. But we would have to get some serious power from other positions. Most likely 1B, DH, and possibly 3B if we can flip Panda. If JBJ don't keep it up I'd love to Upton to play LF.

I'd like to HanRam to be at least avg at 1B. Trade Panda. Play Shaw at 3B. Then next year when Ortiz retires HanRam goes to DH Shaw to 1B and hope for a good prospect to be ready by then or we can find a FA or trade for a 3B.

Our Offense is going to be fine though. I say we worry about our rotation and BP.


We need to rebuild the BP and get an Ace and hopefully a co-ace