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Captain Moroni
07-22-2015, 07:17 PM
Great fit. Finally a coach who will use Fredette the right way. He is going to get WIDE open looks for the first time in his career. Can't wait to see him in a structured team concept like he had in college. That bench is going to be sick.

Tony_Starks
07-22-2015, 07:26 PM
The new Superteam!

slaker619
07-22-2015, 07:28 PM
Good move

IndyRealist
07-22-2015, 07:37 PM
Great fit. Finally a coach who will use Fredette the right way. He is going to get WIDE open looks for the first time in his career. Can't wait to see him in a structured team concept like he had in college. That bench is going to be sick.

He's never been a disciplined shooter though, which is probably his biggest problem (other than not being an NBA level athlete). Do you think he'll play well in such a structured offense?

ewing
07-22-2015, 07:47 PM
He's never been a disciplined shooter though, which is probably his biggest problem (other than not being an NBA level athlete). Do you think he'll play well in such a structured offense?

what the hell does that mean?

IndyRealist
07-22-2015, 08:06 PM
what the hell does that mean?

It means he takes really bad shots at an alarming frequency. What did you think it meant?

ewing
07-22-2015, 08:11 PM
It means he takes really bad shots at an alarming frequency. What did you think it meant?


IDK. Dude can shoot the **** out the ball but the rest of his game held him back on the NBA level. Jimmer looks for any J he can get b/c he its the only way he can make his mark. Get to Jimmer's level shooting or fail trying and say he is "undisciplined" about shooting.

flea
07-22-2015, 08:19 PM
Hmmm I guess this means the Pels think they can/will resign Cole. After that freejimmer guy I couldn't help but take him for a joke as an NBA player. The only time I watched him in college, when he torched my team in 2OT :(. But he was surprisingly effective in his limited role, other than being a liability defensively. Ran the P&R fairly well for a SG stuck in a PG's body.

Still wouldn't want him getting more than token minutes but I thought he was a good backup for a team like ours who really has 2 PGs in the primary rotation (Evans and Holiday). But with Holiday's health issues I don't mind the team paying to keep Cole, he's a much better option for bigger minutes - especially if Evans becomes the starter at the 1 once Holiday (inevitably) gets hurt.

kdspurman
07-22-2015, 08:27 PM
seems like it's a non guaranteed training camp invite. good shooter already, if he makes the team, I could see them getting him a lot of open shots from the corner. with belinelli gone, they're looking for another guy who can spot up and knock down those 3's.

NYKnickFanatic
07-22-2015, 08:32 PM
Love this signing. Pop will utilize him perfectly. Nice replacement for Marco.

beasted86
07-22-2015, 08:37 PM
Might not even make the team. He can't defend the PG position or run an offense at the NBA level.

There's only so much their system can do to hide him considering Parker or Manu will have to be on the floor when he is in the game.

If they dare put him at the 1 with Green and Leonard in the game, if I'm the opponent coach I immediately full court press.

Corey
07-22-2015, 09:15 PM
Yikes. If anyone is going to make him an effective player, its the Spurs.

kdspurman
07-22-2015, 09:24 PM
Might not even make the team. He can't defend the PG position or run an offense at the NBA level.

There's only so much their system can do to hide him considering Parker or Manu will have to be on the floor when he is in the game.

If they dare put him at the 1 with Green and Leonard in the game, if I'm the opponent coach I immediately full court press.

if he made the team, there's like 0.00001% chance he's in there as the sole PG if it's not garbage time. And if he somehow happens to be, Kawhi would be the guy to run the offense. Diaw as well, who can play like a PF or like a PG depending on the lineup.

I imagine Ray Mccallum would play more meaningful minutes if need be, and if Jimmer is in there, he'd play the 2G more or likely. he's only 6'2, but again it's most likely garbage time minutes if he even makes the squad. They were able to hide (more or less) Belinelli on defense and got him plenty of open shots, so at least there is some familiarity doing that lol

He'll have some competition to take that final roster spot though.

beasted86
07-22-2015, 09:31 PM
if he made the team, there's like 0.00001% chance he's in there as the sole PG if it's not garbage time. And if he somehow happens to be, Kawhi would be the guy to run the offense. Diaw as well, who can play like a PF or like a PG depending on the lineup.

I imagine Ray Mccallum would play more meaningful minutes if need be, and if Jimmer is in there, he'd play the 2G more or likely. he's only 6'2, but again it's most likely garbage time minutes if he even makes the squad. They were able to hide (more or less) Belinelli on defense and got him plenty of open shots, so at least there is some familiarity doing that lol

He'll have some competition to take that final roster spot though.

Was just trying to relay the message that he's a very limited player. Some seem to be hinting towards him fulfilling his initial hype coming out of college with the Spurs now.

Was basically saying that's not happening, ever. Spurs or no Spurs. If he makes the roster he'll be a situational player, likely not a rotational player.

BKdoubleStacker
07-22-2015, 09:38 PM
He is dookie. He just doesn't have the talent to play in the NBA.

Jarvo
07-22-2015, 09:48 PM
He better knock them open 3's

kdspurman
07-22-2015, 09:56 PM
Was just trying to relay the message that he's a very limited player. Some seem to be hinting towards him fulfilling his initial hype coming out of college with the Spurs now.

Was basically saying that's not happening, ever. Spurs or no Spurs. If he makes the roster he'll be a situational player, likely not a rotational player.

Yea, though I think he can improve under the right coaching staff. He's limited now, but he does have a solid work ethic and relatively young still.

All the problems you listed were accurate, I just was pointing out there's no way he'd have that kind of responsibility so early. If a player like Jimmer has the right attitude and work ethic, I see no reason why in a couple years (again if he even makes the team) he can't have a story similar to someone like Green who stayed persistent and became a very important piece.

PowerHouse
07-22-2015, 10:04 PM
They got Jimmer now? Well thas a wrap, lets just hand the trophy over to the Spurs right now. Better luck to the rest of us in '16-17 I guess.

R. Johnson#3
07-22-2015, 10:12 PM
Great signing.

IndyRealist
07-22-2015, 10:42 PM
IDK. Dude can shoot the **** out the ball but the rest of his game held him back on the NBA level. Jimmer looks for any J he can get b/c he its the only way he can make his mark. Get to Jimmer's level shooting or fail trying and say he is "undisciplined" about shooting.

Fredette would be just fine if he only took reasonable shots. Hell, he'd be fine if he only took 3's. The problem is over half of his shots come from inside the arc, where he's f'ing horrible. That's what you get with a guy that shoots long 2's and is too slow to get to the rim. Stand behind the 3pt line, come off screens and shoot the ball. He tried so hard to prove he's a multifaceted PG when he's really a specialist SG. It's got nothing to do with "trying to make his mark." He makes bad decisions and thinks he's better than he is.

I don't even know what "get to Jimmer's level shooting" means. I'm not the one pretending to be an NBA player. Plenty of players are better shooters than him and don't have to jack up stupid shots.

IBleedPurple
07-22-2015, 10:58 PM
#freejimmer

Captain Moroni
07-22-2015, 11:58 PM
I think people will be very surprised at how well he will play in Pop's system. This is a great signing. No one is asking him to run the team, or play major minutes.

JEDean89
07-23-2015, 04:24 PM
if he doesn't get minutes then whats the point? its hard to see his shooting making up for all his other defincies. if he was 6' 6", maybe, but its so hard to get wide open 3's in the NBA, and he can't drive or dribble that well, teams will put huge pressure on him and he basically becomes useless.

Tony_Starks
07-23-2015, 04:27 PM
Jimmer is like JJ Reddick except he's not as good a shooter and all the stuff Reddick is weak at Jimmer's worse....

Bostonjorge
07-23-2015, 04:34 PM
They got Jimmer now? Well thas a wrap, lets just hand the trophy over to the Spurs right now. Better luck to the rest of us in '16-17 I guess.

If Blake plays the way he did against them in the first rd then clips will beat them again.

Bostonjorge
07-23-2015, 04:41 PM
Spurs system made Gary Neal and Patty Mills very effective. I think Jimmer can be that kind of player for them.

Captain Moroni
07-23-2015, 05:34 PM
if he doesn't get minutes then whats the point? its hard to see his shooting making up for all his other defincies. if he was 6' 6", maybe, but its so hard to get wide open 3's in the NBA, and he can't drive or dribble that well, teams will put huge pressure on him and he basically becomes useless.

I said major minutes. Obviously he has to get some minutes to be effective.
Also, Jimmer doesn't need wide open threes, he creates his own opportunities by his lightning quick release from anywhere. I'm saying now he will have wide open looks for the first time in his career.

latinofire21
07-23-2015, 05:39 PM
I have got to respectfully disagree with beasted. Jimmer has not been in a position to succeed since leaving college. The kings are a mess and when he was signed there they didn't play his style of ball. New Orleans was too young and too uptempo for him as well. Spurs are the perfect scenario for him. Surrounded by veterans, superstars, hall of famers he will be able to do what he does best, shoot. For those of you saying he's not nba level talent your out of your mind. I played high school ball with Danny green he had all the athletisicism in the world. In 9th grade he was dunking over 6"7 seniors in actual games. He was said to not have the talent to make it in the nba until he went to the spurs. He worked on his shot and made himself a name as a 3 and d specialist. If anyone thought Danny was leaving spurs you were kidding yourselves. The system makes him a household name. The same system that's going to put jimmer's career back and track. He can be just as good as patty mills was for them. Looking forward to jimmer proving the haters wrong. On a side note the spurs are becoming the Yankees of the nba. There management is number 1 by a landslide. Their scouts and coaches are at another level than the rest of the league. A couple years from now Becky will be getting head coaching offers. To think jimmer can't succeed in that atmosphere your just kidding yourself.

CousinsEvansDUO
07-23-2015, 07:17 PM
The only thing Jimmers ever needed is MINUTES! He not once got consistent minutes in his career, and sure he was terrible defensively his first year in the league, but after that his "defense" is based on REPUTATION. I can name a million players Jimmer is better at defensively, including plenty of All Stars like @JamesHarden.

Please.


Pah lease.

Anybody who thinks Jimmers defense is terrible is a misguded fool and obviously hasn't seen him play. He is as strong as any gaurd in the league, is lightning quick and stays in front of his man.
He will be the starting 2 gaurd by the end of the season mark my words.

His per 36 stats will translate.

19/4/4 on 47% FG, 48% 3PT, 91% FT Can be the leading scorer in the league if he got even attempts.
Spurs just extended the dynasty with Jimmer and Aldridge, ofcourse the system and Pop will only make him a million times more effective than what he already is, further soldiyfing him as an All star and first team all nba next season.

kingsdelez24
07-24-2015, 01:21 AM
The only thing Jimmers ever needed is MINUTES! He not once got consistent minutes in his career, and sure he was terrible defensively his first year in the league, but after that his "defense" is based on REPUTATION. I can name a million players Jimmer is better at defensively, including plenty of All Stars like @JamesHarden.

Please.


Pah lease.

Anybody who thinks Jimmers defense is terrible is a misguded fool and obviously hasn't seen him play. He is as strong as any gaurd in the league, is lightning quick and stays in front of his man.
He will be the starting 2 gaurd by the end of the season mark my words.

His per 36 stats will translate.

19/4/4 on 47% FG, 48% 3PT, 91% FT Can be the leading scorer in the league if he got even attempts.
Spurs just extended the dynasty with Jimmer and Aldridge, ofcourse the system and Pop will only make him a million times more effective than what he already is, further soldiyfing him as an All star and first team all nba next season.

If a player plays all but 7 minutes a game, the per 36 stats never translate...

slashsnake
07-24-2015, 07:28 AM
The only thing Jimmers ever needed is MINUTES! He not once got consistent minutes in his career, and sure he was terrible defensively his first year in the league, but after that his "defense" is based on REPUTATION. I can name a million players Jimmer is better at defensively, including plenty of All Stars like @JamesHarden.

Please.


Pah lease.

Anybody who thinks Jimmers defense is terrible is a misguded fool and obviously hasn't seen him play. He is as strong as any gaurd in the league, is lightning quick and stays in front of his man.
He will be the starting 2 gaurd by the end of the season mark my words.




I have watched a lot of him, struggles to stay in front of people BAD. There's a reason he has the worst defensive box plus minus and only Tim Hardaway has a worse defensive rating than him since he joined the NBA. I'm not huge on advanced stats, but when they all say you are the worst in the league it's hard to say he's not horrendous.


It shows on tape as well as in his numbers. One of the last games he got substantial minutes that I saw was against the Spurs and HOLY MOTHER. Ginobili looked 15 years younger lined up against Jimmer. I remember his combine where he was way back there with the big men in all the agility drills and said this could be a problem.

I loved watching him in college, but too small for SG, and definitely not a PG. There's a reason he is the least productive lottery pick of that draft, has had his minutes decline every year in the NBA (and every year he says he needs to play D to get more minutes... and his coach says nope you get less), and is on his fourth team already with an un-guaranteed contract.

I think this is a perfect fit for him. They don't use their PG as a traditional distributor as much but more of a team thing, which helps, they can have others help bring up the ball... great coaching... he can rely on others to score.. but he's fringe NBA talent outside of shooting the ball, and may not make the roster... in which case, it's can a bad team use him, or should he start trying other things?

When your coach says "Being able to guard the ball for at least one or two dribbles is a tough thing for guys like Jimmer,"... I struggle to call him much besides bad on defense.


And no offense but when you say he will have a better per36 than Kyrie Irving... I tend to disagree.


Lets add to this...

Only two players in NBA history have had a worse DBPM than Fredette that played at least 3000 minutes..

Only 7 in league history have had a worse defensive rating than Fredette that played at least 3000 minutes..

ghettosean
07-24-2015, 09:52 AM
Might not even make the team. He can't defend the PG position or run an offense at the NBA level.

There's only so much their system can do to hide him considering Parker or Manu will have to be on the floor when he is in the game.

If they dare put him at the 1 with Green and Leonard in the game, if I'm the opponent coach I immediately full court press.

Bonner is an amazing spot up shooter and terrible defender but he's also an NBA champion under Pop. I think he can do well with Jimmer since he's already been in this type of position with a player before.

kdspurman
07-24-2015, 10:45 AM
Bonner is an amazing spot up shooter and terrible defender but he's also an NBA champion under Pop. I think he can do well with Jimmer since he's already been in this type of position with a player before.

bonner is no longer the terrible defender he once was. he's very much improved on that end in the last few years, especially in the post. he's really shown more effort on that end

Scoots
07-24-2015, 11:02 AM
He's JUST a shooter. I don't see him getting much PT unless he can suddenly develop the lateral movement to defend ANY position at an average level.

Tony_Starks
07-24-2015, 11:17 AM
If I saw Jimmer in a rec league I MIGHT pick him up....depending on how my Uncles arthritis is feeling.

Sactown
07-24-2015, 11:42 AM
Jimmer is a lights out shooter with actually good vision, unfortunately his ball handling skills are garbage so teams press and trap him, he doesn't have any lateral speed and isn't able to blow by anyone. Hes a spot up shooter who can pass the ball.

Defensively he's a mess, he can't guard PGs because he doesn't have enough quickness to stay in front , and he doesn't have the size of strength to play against the shooting guards this league has to offer .

If any team can turn Jimmer into a productive role player it's the spurs, but honestly this is Greg Pops and R.Cs version of a heat check

Scoots
07-24-2015, 12:06 PM
Jimmer is a lights out shooter with actually good vision, unfortunately his ball handling skills are garbage so teams press and trap him, he doesn't have any lateral speed and isn't able to blow by anyone. Hes a spot up shooter who can pass the ball.

Defensively he's a mess, he can't guard PGs because he doesn't have enough quickness to stay in front , and he doesn't have the size of strength to play against the shooting guards this league has to offer .

If any team can turn Jimmer into a productive role player it's the spurs, but honestly this is Greg Pops and R.Cs version of a heat check

Bingo. JJ Redick struggled early in his career until he figured out what he couldn't do and optimized what he could so there is still hope for Jimmer ... a glimmer of hope.

GrkGawdofWalkz
07-25-2015, 01:52 PM
It's a no risk signing, which reminds me of Belinelli. He has some ability to shoot and with this teams style, three point shooting is a must. He has to beat out Reggie Williams as the team has 15 guaranteed spots. I'd rather give him a shot than see Williams as the 15th man again. This kid went 5 spots above Kawhi. Laughable!

JLynn943
07-25-2015, 02:39 PM
Jimmer is a lights out shooter with actually good vision, unfortunately his ball handling skills are garbage so teams press and trap him, he doesn't have any lateral speed and isn't able to blow by anyone. Hes a spot up shooter who can pass the ball.

Defensively he's a mess, he can't guard PGs because he doesn't have enough quickness to stay in front , and he doesn't have the size of strength to play against the shooting guards this league has to offer .

If any team can turn Jimmer into a productive role player it's the spurs, but honestly this is Greg Pops and R.Cs version of a heat check

Yeah, his ball handling is atrocious. It's on par with his defense. I hope Pop can help turn him into a passable player in those areas because his shooting is outstanding.

Sactown
07-25-2015, 02:39 PM
It's a no risk signing, which reminds me of Belinelli. He has some ability to shoot and with this teams style, three point shooting is a must. He has to beat out Reggie Williams as the team has 15 guaranteed spots. I'd rather give him a shot than see Williams as the 15th man again. This kid went 5 spots above Kawhi. Laughable!

A lot of players went above Kawhi, and when he was drafted, Kawhi was immediately traded ... It will be difficult for Jimmer to earn a roster spot let alone any PT. With SA having 15 guaranteed contracts I think he'll be a FA before the season begins

Sactown
07-25-2015, 02:41 PM
Yeah, his ball handling is atrocious. It's on par with his defense. I hope Pop can help turn him into a passable player in those areas because his shooting is outstanding.

Without ball handling his size becomes a bigger issue, he really doesn't have a true position on the court, to slow and no handles to play the PG, undersized to play the SG position for more than a few minutes.

With SA roster I don't think he makes the team

IndyRealist
07-25-2015, 10:54 PM
It's a no risk signing, which reminds me of Belinelli. He has some ability to shoot and with this teams style, three point shooting is a must. He has to beat out Reggie Williams as the team has 15 guaranteed spots. I'd rather give him a shot than see Williams as the 15th man again. This kid went 5 spots above Kawhi. Laughable!
This is why draft projections, "potential", and scouting need to be taken with a grain of salt. One of the top 5 picks will likely be out of the league by year 8, yet people loudly proclaim every year that this guy or that is a "stud", an "all-star", or even "future hall of famer" without ever playing an NBA game. Hell, people are STILL defending Jimmer. He's a specialist, and that's the only way he's going to stay in the league.

ManRam
07-25-2015, 11:05 PM
Jimmer is like JJ Reddick except he's not as good a shooter and all the stuff Reddick is weak at Jimmer's worse....

I get that they're both white and can shoot, but that's where the comparisons end. JJ can defend, pass, handle the ball and has a basketball IQ. Jimmer has none of those traits.

ewing
07-25-2015, 11:27 PM
I get that they're both white and can shoot, but that's where the comparisons end. JJ can defend, pass, handle the ball and has a basketball IQ. Jimmer has none of those traits.

us whities are all the same

MrfadeawayJB
07-27-2015, 07:33 PM
I'd love to see Jimmer find success in the league. He was super exciting to watch in college, but really just hasnt translated like some thought he would. Spurs are a perfect system for him. Just wished when he finds success it would be with a different team. The spurs are too good as it is!

Scoots
07-28-2015, 02:11 AM
I get that they're both white and can shoot, but that's where the comparisons end. JJ can defend, pass, handle the ball and has a basketball IQ. Jimmer has none of those traits.

Anthony Morrow then? Not a lot of comparables. And it took JJ a few years to figure out how to play in the NBA ... it wasn't until his 4th team and 9th season that he started more than 34 games in a season. JJ is a pretty good player now, but it took a while is the point. Jimmer is 5 years in and until now hasn't really been on a team that can make use of his shooting ... so we'll see.

IndyRealist
07-28-2015, 09:19 AM
Anthony Morrow then? Not a lot of comparables. And it took JJ a few years to figure out how to play in the NBA ... it wasn't until his 4th team and 9th season that he started more than 34 games in a season. JJ is a pretty good player now, but it took a while is the point. Jimmer is 5 years in and until now hasn't really been on a team that can make use of his shooting ... so we'll see.

Thing is, there are plenty of 6'2" guys that can shoot. They just don't make the league, let alone get drafted in the lottery. The D league is littered with them.

Scoots
07-29-2015, 03:30 PM
Thing is, there are plenty of 6'2" guys that can shoot. They just don't make the league, let alone get drafted in the lottery. The D league is littered with them.

I'm not so sure ... not elite shooters. The Warriors just signed Ian Clark and he's one of those ... but his shooting isn't really elite.

IndyRealist
07-29-2015, 04:18 PM
I'm not so sure ... not elite shooters. The Warriors just signed Ian Clark and he's one of those ... but his shooting isn't really elite.

They are, just not given the same opportunities as Jimmer. After watching a guy play for years, draft position shouldn't matter anymore because you have detailed scouting against NBA talent. But undrafted Joe Blow from Albuquerque Community College could be lighting it up in the D-League and no one really cares, while Jimmer struggles against NBA talent on a nightly basis and it's, "but he's got potential if he was just in the right system."

Again, I'm not saying Jimmer shouldn't be in the NBA, I'm pointing out the absurdity of how we can't let go of our previous beliefs in the face of evidence to the contrary. Jimmer Fredette is, at best, a specialist SG who can't defend his position. He should be out there on a George Karl team as a backup.

Sactown
07-29-2015, 06:09 PM
They are, just not given the same opportunities as Jimmer. After watching a guy play for years, draft position shouldn't matter anymore because you have detailed scouting against NBA talent. But undrafted Joe Blow from Albuquerque Community College could be lighting it up in the D-League and no one really cares, while Jimmer struggles against NBA talent on a nightly basis and it's, "but he's got potential if he was just in the right system."

Again, I'm not saying Jimmer shouldn't be in the NBA, I'm pointing out the absurdity of how we can't let go of our previous beliefs in the face of evidence to the contrary. Jimmer Fredette is, at best, a specialist SG who can't defend his position. He should be out there on a George Karl team as a backup.

The difference is there was a reason Jimmer was drafted and Joe Blow wasn't , Jimmer has an incredible jump shot, and GMs and coaches continually believe they can teach him to defend or teach him to dribble the ball at a high level ,

Joe Blow doesn't have that one thing teams say, Oh woah if only I could get him to do this.... Jimmer does


Obviously it doesn't matter because Jimmer hasn't shown he can do the things necessary to get court time and neither has Joe Blow

IndyRealist
07-29-2015, 07:20 PM
The difference is there was a reason Jimmer was drafted and Joe Blow wasn't , Jimmer has an incredible jump shot, and GMs and coaches continually believe they can teach him to defend or teach him to dribble the ball at a high level ,

Joe Blow doesn't have that one thing teams say, Oh woah if only I could get him to do this.... Jimmer does


Obviously it doesn't matter because Jimmer hasn't shown he can do the things necessary to get court time and neither has Joe Blow

Yes, and you've kind of proved my point. Jimmer and Joe Blow are both still being evaluated on what they did prior to the pros, when we can obviously see that they're basically the same player against pro talent. "Potential" goes out the window after your rookie deal, yet people STILL hold on to previously held beliefs in spite of the evidence to the contrary. He has a great jump shot? He shoots 38% from 3 in the pros. Good, not great. John Jenkins shoots 41% and can't get playing time. Jonas Jerebko and his 40% 3pt shooting is bouncing around the league. Jannero Pargo's still in the league? Yup, and shooting 41% from 3. Alonzo Gee shoots 41.7% AND is tall and fast enough to defend his position. Why go out and get Jimmer again? Because of where he was drafted. Lottery picks have "potential" and D-leaguers don't, even though his actual production says he'd be lucky to be in the D-league.

slashsnake
07-30-2015, 04:08 AM
Again, I'm not saying Jimmer shouldn't be in the NBA, I'm pointing out the absurdity of how we can't let go of our previous beliefs in the face of evidence to the contrary. Jimmer Fredette is, at best, a specialist SG who can't defend his position. He should be out there on a George Karl team as a backup.

Karl? He always went with athletic moving 2 guards I thought. Diawara, Afflalo, Dahntay Jones, JR Smith, Julyan Stone, Igoudala, Iverson, Chucky Atkins, Buckner, Demarre Johnson. Seemed he always wanted either athletic guys with some ball skills, or guys that weren't good but could D a bit.

IndyRealist
07-30-2015, 08:07 AM
Karl? He always went with athletic moving 2 guards I thought. Diawara, Afflalo, Dahntay Jones, JR Smith, Julyan Stone, Igoudala, Iverson, Chucky Atkins, Buckner, Demarre Johnson. Seemed he always wanted either athletic guys with some ball skills, or guys that weren't good but could D a bit.
I didn't actually say Karl would want him, i said that' the kind of system he needs to be in.

slashsnake
07-30-2015, 08:29 AM
I didn't actually say Karl would want him, i said that' the kind of system he needs to be in.

Ahhh ok...

I think the Spurs might be a better one... One where the ball handling is more spread out, so he could play some point and not have to run with the ball on offense, one where the D is more of a team concept, one where he doesn't have any pressure to be an impact player.

I just always saw Karl as wanting speed and fastbreaking and D from his backup guards, or liked the two ball handlers out there, or things like that. Guys like Kleiza, Voshon Lenard, or Fournier who were pure shooters never seemed to be his fit to me, and guys like Anthony Carter who couldn't hit the broadside of a barn are the ones he keeps holding on to. Always seemed he wanted playmakers more than pure shooters in his system.

Scoots
07-30-2015, 02:27 PM
They are

That's the thing ... who are they? I knew the Warriors were looking for a back court shooter so I looked at the D-league and the summer league teams, and other than Seth Curry (who I can understand not wanting to be with the Warriors), there really were not any elite 3pt shooters.

Andre Dawkins is okay but hasn't managed to stick with 2 NBA teams so far so I don't really know what they are seeing that they don't like, certainly not much D or the game awareness you'd want even in "just a shooter"

Reggie Williams is too old (and is a former Warrior) and has proven in 6 years in the NBA for 4 teams that his game isn't really translating.

Ian Clark (another former Warrior) is who they signed.

Really good shooters are RARE, so if it's a skill you know a player has you keep trying to get them functional in other areas.

Anthony Morrow (yet another Warriors "find") was able to do just enough to have an 8 year NBA career so far, but still all he really does well is shoot.

If great shooters were so easy to find then these limited players wouldn't keep getting chances after chances after chances.

HeatFan
08-02-2015, 11:15 PM
He's never been a disciplined shooter though, which is probably his biggest problem (other than not being an NBA level athlete). Do you think he'll play well in such a structured offense?

Matt Bonner doesn't seem like the most disciplined player and has worked under Pops.

kdspurman
08-03-2015, 08:12 AM
Matt Bonner doesn't seem like the most disciplined player and has worked under Pops.

How is Bonner not disciplined?? He's one of the most disciplined guys on that roster. He comes in and does what he's supposed to do.

Munkeysuit
08-03-2015, 08:29 AM
Awesome fit, wish him the best of luck!

Scoots
08-03-2015, 11:52 AM
How is Bonner not disciplined?? He's one of the most disciplined guys on that roster. He comes in and does what he's supposed to do.

Bonner is a total Spur. Knows exactly what he does well and what he doesn't, he plays team ball and works his butt off. He's not a great player, but he's a great teammate.

kdspurman
08-03-2015, 11:54 AM
Bonner is a total Spur. Knows exactly what he does well and what he doesn't, he plays team ball and works his butt off. He's not a great player, but he's a great teammate.

Ha, exactly. Which is why the whole "he's not the most disciplined player" comment threw me off.

IndyRealist
08-03-2015, 04:02 PM
Matt Bonner doesn't seem like the most disciplined player and has worked under Pops.

Matt Bonner never freelances, he only takes high percentage shots within the offense. I'm not sure we're using the same definition of disciplined.

Captain Moroni
08-03-2015, 04:36 PM
Put the player in the system. Jimmer will excel at what Pops needs from him. Very high BB IQ. The Kings didn't have a system, he never had enough time in a Chicago, he will be a great role player

Sactown
08-03-2015, 04:56 PM
Put the player in the system. Jimmer will excel at what Pops needs from him. Very high BB IQ. The Kings didn't have a system, he never had enough time in a Chicago, he will be a great role player
That's not necessarily true, in his last year in Sacramento, he was lead the league in 3Pt % for the first 41 games (while he was here) at 49.3%. His PER was at 16.3 and his TS% was .584 , the problem is, he still couldn't guard anyone , he turns the ball over at roughly the same rate as assisting it, and he isn't big enough to play the 2Gaurd.

At some point you can't keep blaming the system.. the kings final year with him had a system with Mike Malone, and he just isn't good enough (even with that previously mentioned efficiency shooting the ball) to warrant playing time.