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GiantsSwaGG
07-06-2015, 07:10 PM
If you're in too summer league games, you can post in here, discuss your top rookie performances and other players that are trying to make the team.

bucketss
07-06-2015, 07:14 PM
frank kaminsky looks pretty good.

Scoots
07-06-2015, 07:44 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing:
Kuzmic (hope he gets some real NBA minutes this year)
McAdoo (hope he gets some real NBA minutes this year)
Looney (The Warriors first first round pick in 2 years, could get NBA PT if he shows well)
Frazier (could be the bench shooter the Warriors need)
Craft (DLeague DPOY, want to see his development from last year)

Luke Walton is going to coach and is on the short list to replace Gentry as the OC.

Warriors won the D-league championship, the NBA championship, but hasn't won LVSL in a year ... I want the trifecta.

Warriors summer league has produced some good players: Lin, Reggie Williams, Justin Holiday, Anthony Morrow, Ian Clark.

And of course it's always fun to get an early look at the other rookies.

SenileStern
07-06-2015, 08:00 PM
Looking forward to Upshaw vs Towns/Okafor this week and of course the other young Lakers.

LAKERS4LIFE!!
07-06-2015, 08:07 PM
Stanley Johnson and Justise Winslow look nice! Turner for the pacers has been playing great as well!

TheNumber37
07-06-2015, 08:31 PM
Super Mario is legit

MonroeFAN
07-06-2015, 08:43 PM
Stanley Johnson looks like an absolute beast. I'm gonna temper my expectations as a fan, but it's really encouraging. He has an old school game that us Detroit fans love usually.

5ass
07-06-2015, 08:49 PM
Super Mario is legit

Yup. A poster in his second game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNv7BvUlTuY, and a game winner in his 1st game. He really has all around skills and major potential.

Air Gordon is also looking legit. He looks like a man among boys in the summer league, yet he's only 19 lol. He's been working hard on his offense and its paying off. I'm so impressed by this kid's work ethic and proffessionalism.

hugepatsfan
07-06-2015, 08:53 PM
For BOS I'm really looking forward to see Marcus Smart's development as a ballhandler/driver. Also, I'm expecting big things out of James Young. He looks like a strong break-out candidate. He's spoken at length about he had coasted on natural ability up until last year where he was humbled by the NBA competition. He's been the most active player at BOS's facilities this offseason and has put on 20 lbs. of muscle.

PraiseJesus
07-06-2015, 09:00 PM
Jokeafor cost 76ers their first SL game

Im sure thats foreshadowing more to come

Legitimate
07-06-2015, 09:24 PM
I wanna see the the raptors young guns put in work, damn we got a good farm going on but too good of players on our team so they don't get much playing time..

Teeboy1487
07-06-2015, 09:25 PM
Yup. A poster in his second game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNv7BvUlTuY, and a game winner in his 1st game. He really has all around skills and major potential.

Air Gordon is also looking legit. He looks like a man among boys in the summer league, yet he's only 19 lol. He's been working hard on his offense and its paying off. I'm so impressed by this kid's work ethic and proffessionalism. That Super Mario dunk was sick. I hope Skiles still does not still hate rookies and give this kid PT right off the bat. He is exciting to watch.

Rivera
07-06-2015, 09:28 PM
Super Mario :drool: i can't wait to watch my first magic game in Orlando ever this year.

5ass
07-06-2015, 09:38 PM
That Super Mario dunk was sick. I hope Skiles still does not still hate rookies and give this kid PT right off the bat. He is exciting to watch.

Skiles hasn't been that bad with rookies. You know he had Marion, Jennings and Ben Gordon playing 25+ mpg in their rookie years. Mario gives good effort on defense and can probably shoot better than anyone on our team. I think he'll get his minutes.

SeoulBeatz
07-06-2015, 09:51 PM
Jokeafor cost 76ers their first SL game

Im sure thats foreshadowing more to come

lol the hate is real. he played pretty well today.

20 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, 1 steal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7xAPK_9K28

FOXHOUND
07-06-2015, 10:02 PM
lol the hate is real. he played pretty well today.

20 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, 1 steal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7xAPK_9K28

Man, his scoring ability at his age is really amazing. That slimming down looks like it did him some good, although it looks like he could hit that weight room harder. Also, he's clearly putting work into that mid range jumper already. Good to see.

I'm excited to watch my Knicks on Saturday, got a whole lot of young blood going. Porzingis, Grant, Galloway, Early, Thanasis, Louis Labeyrie is supposed to be there, Maurice Ndour and TRAVIS WEAR YO! Haha, exciting to actually have a nice crop of young players to view at summer league for a change.

5ass
07-06-2015, 10:08 PM
Man, his scoring ability at his age is really amazing. That slimming down looks like it did him some good, although it looks like he could hit that weight room harder. Also, he's clearly putting work into that mid range jumper already. Good to see.

I'm excited to watch my Knicks on Saturday, got a whole lot of young blood going. Porzingis, Grant, Galloway, Early, Thanasis, Louis Labeyrie is supposed to be there, Maurice Ndour and TRAVIS WEAR YO! Haha, exciting to actually have a nice crop of young players to view at summer league for a change.

Isn't porzingis injured? I'll be watching if he's playing.

GiantsSwaGG
07-06-2015, 10:21 PM
Dante Exum balling right now

SeoulBeatz
07-06-2015, 10:25 PM
Man, his scoring ability at his age is really amazing. That slimming down looks like it did him some good, although it looks like he could hit that weight room harder. Also, he's clearly putting work into that mid range jumper already. Good to see.

I'm excited to watch my Knicks on Saturday, got a whole lot of young blood going. Porzingis, Grant, Galloway, Early, Thanasis, Louis Labeyrie is supposed to be there, Maurice Ndour and TRAVIS WEAR YO! Haha, exciting to actually have a nice crop of young players to view at summer league for a change.

yeah he looked really sound in the post. he showed his flaws as well though, 0-4 from ft line, and 4 to's. he's obviously got a long way to go in those departments but he really commands the attention of opposing teams because he's such a handful in the post.

can't wait to see him and noel take the floor together.

5ass
07-06-2015, 11:13 PM
Exum looked good today, I hope his injury isn't too serious. He's still far from a finished product, but you can see why he was drafted so high.

hotdalton18
07-06-2015, 11:22 PM
Love what I'm seeing from Winslow....he's showing ability to get lots of free throws..

Good scoring total without his shot dropping , so imagine when it does start dropping...

And he's playing good defense

hotdalton18
07-06-2015, 11:23 PM
Also willie Reed looks like he might be the back up center on the heat this year

More-Than-Most
07-06-2015, 11:24 PM
lol the hate is real. he played pretty well today.

20 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, 1 steal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7xAPK_9K28

He is a russ guy and hates oka because of how much every other laker fan wanted him lol

Hawkeye15
07-06-2015, 11:26 PM
Remember when Randy Foye looked like a baller in summer league!!!!

guys, enjoy the summer league. But seriously, it means nothing when it comes to later......

FOXHOUND
07-06-2015, 11:30 PM
Isn't porzingis injured? I'll be watching if he's playing.

His brother said that he may not play on the radio a week back or so, but he's already back at practice and is now slated to play.

FOXHOUND
07-06-2015, 11:31 PM
Remember when Randy Foye looked like a baller in summer league!!!!

guys, enjoy the summer league. But seriously, it means nothing when it comes to later......

Nate Robinson Summer League MVP!

FOXHOUND
07-06-2015, 11:33 PM
yeah he looked really sound in the post. he showed his flaws as well though, 0-4 from ft line, and 4 to's. he's obviously got a long way to go in those departments but he really commands the attention of opposing teams because he's such a handful in the post.

can't wait to see him and noel take the floor together.

Oh yeah, he's still got some standard 19-year old flaws. Looking good, though. A lot of 76ers will have open 3's courtesy of Okafor this season.

5ass
07-06-2015, 11:34 PM
Remember when Randy Foye looked like a baller in summer league!!!!

guys, enjoy the summer league. But seriously, it means nothing when it comes to later......

I wouldn't say it means nothing. Especially for people who didn't watch these rookies in college. You can use it to get a better understanding of their games.

FOXHOUND
07-06-2015, 11:45 PM
I wouldn't say it means nothing. Especially for people who didn't watch these rookies in college. You can use it to get a better understanding of their games.

I agree, and I would also add that it gives some sort of sense of how ready they are for the NBA game. Or, at least a better one than college. 24-second shot clock, NBA rules and, technically, these are like All-Star teams compared to college teams - not named Kentucky.

You've got a mix of the best college players, the best young foreign players and young players who already have NBA experience. Sure, a guy like Okafor having 20-9 in his first game doesn't mean he's going to consistently do that this season, but it does show that he's more ready than everyone else who played in that game to contribute. And then you have guys like Aaron Gordon, who is dominating right now and is looking like he's grown a lot since last season.

Hawkeye15
07-06-2015, 11:51 PM
I wouldn't say it means nothing. Especially for people who didn't watch these rookies in college. You can use it to get a better understanding of their games.

meh not really. Unless you are talking about a foreign player, and ever then, its summer league man.

Like I said, enjoy. But read literally nothing into it. It's not the NBA.

Bruno
07-07-2015, 12:16 AM
Remember when Randy Foye looked like a baller in summer league!!!!

guys, enjoy the summer league. But seriously, it means nothing when it comes to later......

i think its hit or miss. dating back to 2009 Blake Griffin, John Wall, and Damian Lillard have been summer league MVPs. But so have Josh Shelby and Glen Rice Jr. also depends on the team. I think for the Wolves and Lakers, its great. most of our rosters will be competing in these games.

GiantsSwaGG
07-07-2015, 12:16 AM
Remember when Randy Foye looked like a baller in summer league!!!!

guys, enjoy the summer league. But seriously, it means nothing when it comes to later......

I mean Randy Foye is a good player thou

5ass
07-07-2015, 12:31 AM
meh not really. Unless you are talking about a foreign player, and ever then, its summer league man.

Like I said, enjoy. But read literally nothing into it. It's not the NBA.

I disagree. I've only watched 1.5 college games all year, and probably did the same last year. I learn much more about players in summer league than highlights/compilations and sometimes even scouting reports. Example, last year I watched Exum and Gordon and I immediately knew both weren't going to be in the ROY race. I realized Exum wasn't really good at anything yet and Gordon would average like 7ppg. If Summer league meant nothing, all those scouts, GMs and coaches wouldn't be there lol.

GREATNESS ONE
07-07-2015, 12:40 AM
He is a russ guy and hates oka because of how much every other laker fan wanted him lol

Thy were the two best players in this years draft. At least in my opinion but yes, a good handful of us wanted the low post big man.


What happened, happened and as for hard, we will support our players and franchise. I think it is funny though how much you hated/disliked Okafor but you'll be buying and wearing his jersey soon :D

MonroeFAN
07-07-2015, 07:22 AM
Winslow is basically surviving off of contact in the summer league. Awesome start to an NBA career. And zomg that dunk by super Mario almost made me forget about the terrible game he had outside of it.


Scary when your players look like crap in the summer league. But I agree, not much to look into if they're playing well.

DODGERS&LAKERS
07-07-2015, 03:11 PM
I wonder how much of the Wolves young guys are going to play. They are must watch tv for me.

2-ONE-5
07-07-2015, 04:44 PM
Remember when Randy Foye looked like a baller in summer league!!!!

guys, enjoy the summer league. But seriously, it means nothing when it comes to later......

i was going to say the same exact thing. playing well in SL is obviously good to see but it means dick ultimately. its basically a pick up a game for most of these teams

KMP211
07-07-2015, 05:58 PM
McMorrow for the Clippers is gigantic.

Scoots
07-07-2015, 11:43 PM
SL absolutely has meaning ... it's not like it translates direct to the NBA, but it REALLY has value. For instance, the youngsters start learning the big teams offense and defensive schemes. The coaches get to find out who is quick to learn and who isn't. Who can play the game and who can PLAY the game. Even with all the miscues and typical bad shooting you can still see indications of the talent the players have.

MonroeFAN
07-08-2015, 06:45 AM
Glad Minne & Phili fans agree on that. You guys have a lotto pick every year, and they usually suck after playing well in the summer league.

Perhaps there is some truth to it.

2-ONE-5
07-08-2015, 08:34 AM
Glad Minne & Phili fans agree on that. You guys have a lotto pick every year, and they usually suck after playing well in the summer league.

Perhaps there is some truth to it.

lol dude our first year of tanking we WON the Orlando SL

Clippersfan86
07-08-2015, 09:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdhNkAD-pU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtfuEjxoQIs

Our second rounder Branden Dawson looks awesome so far. He is like a SG/SF version of Eric Bledsoe. Raw with no shot. But amazing defender, deflects so many passes, great rebounder and shotblocker for his height, great finisher with contact, knack for And-1's, knack for tip dunks and fastbreaks. FINALLY Doc got a pick right it seems. Now he has to actually play him and not fu**ing give him DNP's all year like he does with most young guys. He can be a defensive specialist.

2-ONE-5
07-08-2015, 09:59 AM
Dawsons problem is his IQ. Dude has plenty of talent but made so many questionable decisions throughout his career at MSU

Clippersfan86
07-08-2015, 10:01 AM
Dawsons problem is his IQ. Dude has plenty of talent but made so many questionable decisions throughout his career at MSU

Think CP3/Pierce/Doc can help him improve there? Or do you think he won't improve much? He looks like a guy who will play hard and work in the summer.

2-ONE-5
07-08-2015, 10:11 AM
He is def a hard worker and seemed like a good leader too. A team of vets where he wont be asked to do nearly as much will benefit him. He tried to play above his skill level sometimes and would have you scratching your head at times.

Clippersfan86
07-08-2015, 10:19 AM
He is def a hard worker and seemed like a good leader too. A team of vets where he wont be asked to do nearly as much will benefit him. He tried to play above his skill level sometimes and would have you scratching your head at times.

Cool, thanks man! Would love more info when you have time. What I gathered of his time at MSU as you said is that he was expected to be more of the man, when that's not his ideal role. I think like you implied, we could be an ideal fit for him. I just pray Doc doesn't keep him benched all year long, especially when we need defensive stops. What do you think his best case scenario is? Draft comparison.

SF/PF version of Eric Bledsoe?

2-ONE-5
07-08-2015, 10:25 AM
Cool, thanks man! Would love more info when you have time. What I gathered of his time at MSU as you said is that he was expected to be more of the man, when that's not his ideal role. I think like you implied, we could be an ideal fit for him. I just pray Doc doesn't keep him benched all year long, especially when we need defensive stops. What do you think his best case scenario is? Draft comparison.

SF/PF version of Eric Bledsoe?

not a bad comparison but he doesnt have as much offense in his game. im thinking maybe like a Thad Young type with better defense. I have the Big 10 network so got to see plenty of MSU games, Dawson is easy to root for.

Clippersfan86
07-08-2015, 10:33 AM
not a bad comparison but he doesnt have as much offense in his game. im thinking maybe like a Thad Young type with better defense. I have the Big 10 network so got to see plenty of MSU games, Dawson is easy to root for.

Hmm. He seems to be able to guard 1-4 like his buddy Draymond. That's huge. Doc better not screw this up

MonroeFAN
07-08-2015, 11:32 AM
lol dude our first year of tanking we WON the Orlando SL

Yeah you're right I was being a deek.

bucketss
07-10-2015, 08:28 PM
towns vs russel up next.

jerellh528
07-10-2015, 08:33 PM
Here we go

jerellh528
07-10-2015, 08:38 PM
Russell looks good so far :)

tredigs
07-10-2015, 08:56 PM
Rough first Q at the NBA level for Towns. Airballs his first touch of the ball (a 3) and gets posterized by Black on the other end.

Russell looks good, but he's gotta step up his handle and learn some deception moves, he's not fast enough to get by NBA defenses with the moves he has. He's going to have highlight reels of passing vids though.

DillyDill
07-10-2015, 09:42 PM
KAT passing vision is insane for a Big

RaiderKid318
07-10-2015, 09:43 PM
Seth Curry looked pretty good for the pels today, not sure it means much. Would love to be able to trade Gordon, and pray to the basketball gods curry can play offensively like his brother but at SG.

Teeboy1487
07-10-2015, 09:53 PM
Towns is an awesome, awesome passer. Love that about him at Kentucky. Clearly it's translating.

tredigs
07-10-2015, 10:06 PM
Towns doesn't look like he'll be able to stay on the court more than 25 minutes per game based on his college game and this Major issues with fouls from overreaching defensively. Agree on the passing tho.

Best player on the court is Clarkson. Kid might be the Lakers best player this year.

Teeboy1487
07-10-2015, 10:09 PM
Refs sucks. Calling everything.

LakerShow
07-10-2015, 11:12 PM
Towns doesn't look like he'll be able to stay on the court more than 25 minutes per game based on his college game and this Major issues with fouls from overreaching defensively. Agree on the passing tho.

Best player on the court is Clarkson. Kid might be the Lakers best player this year.

JC is a beast, he just needs to up his 3pt %

bucketss
07-11-2015, 12:10 AM
russels handle isn't tight enough but great passing,

Scoots
07-11-2015, 12:17 AM
Strange watching a player who got PT in the finals in SL games.

bucketss
07-11-2015, 12:59 AM
Strange watching a player who got PT in the finals in SL games.

who?

dalton749
07-11-2015, 01:34 AM
starting to see why caboclo was taken 20th last year, his potential is easily worth that gamble
already good 3 point shot and freak size/wingspan for the 3

Scoots
07-11-2015, 12:07 PM
who?

Joe Harris and James McAdoo ... 4 total minutes in the finals :)

FOXHOUND
07-11-2015, 04:36 PM
Porzingis time!

Gander13SM
07-11-2015, 05:02 PM
Hmm... Porzingis looks good. He's pretty good at anticipating player movement off the pick and he's doing a good job anchoring the defensive sets.

I'm more intrigued by the international players this year than any American. Can't wait to see how they perform in the NBA.

FOXHOUND
07-11-2015, 05:23 PM
Hmm... Porzingis looks good. He's pretty good at anticipating player movement off the pick and he's doing a good job anchoring the defensive sets.

I'm more intrigued by the international players this year than any American. Can't wait to see how they perform in the NBA.

Yeah, love the way he's communicating and battling out there. Definitely needs to keep eating and add some weight ASAP haha.

5ass
07-11-2015, 08:38 PM
I can't wait to see Porzingis when he puts it all together. He can be scary in 5 years.

Clippersfan86
07-11-2015, 10:36 PM
How are people impressed with Okafor? Dude looks soft as hell and inconsistent. He was supposed to be the most NBA ready player and SL or not, he's been incredibly unimpressive to me. Porzingis looked as good as I expected though. He's like AD in the sense where... as he packs on pounds and gets used to NBA physicality he's just going to get scarier and scarier.

Scoots
07-11-2015, 10:54 PM
Okafor has looked lost and a step slow ... but he doesn't really have much of a team around him either. That said he's not playing THAT bad ... 19 points 11 boards 5 TOs today.

Teeboy1487
07-11-2015, 11:23 PM
Okafor displayed some nice moves but he disappeared in the second half. I thought Towns gave the Lakers more trouble even though Okafor had better numbers. Okafor was solid though.

Chrisclover
07-12-2015, 12:50 AM
Super Mario is legit
Who is he

Scoots
07-12-2015, 01:40 AM
Who is he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNv7BvUlTuY

lakerboy
07-12-2015, 06:23 AM
How are people impressed with Okafor? Dude looks soft as hell and inconsistent. He was supposed to be the most NBA ready player and SL or not, he's been incredibly unimpressive to me. Porzingis looked as good as I expected though. He's like AD in the sense where... as he packs on pounds and gets used to NBA physicality he's just going to get scarier and scarier.

Okafor's post moves are impressive though. He's soft, and still inconsistent, but watch his post moves and you'll see a future star.

warfelg
07-12-2015, 08:52 AM
How are people impressed with Okafor? Dude looks soft as hell and inconsistent. He was supposed to be the most NBA ready player and SL or not, he's been incredibly unimpressive to me. Porzingis looked as good as I expected though. He's like AD in the sense where... as he packs on pounds and gets used to NBA physicality he's just going to get scarier and scarier.

Well a few things to that:
1) it's rare for bigs to dominate and impress like that in SL
2) ZBo, Both Gasols, TD, Boogie Cousins are all guys who are "unimpressive" in terms of highlights that were around Jah's SL stats.
3) we have a bad fit for players around him.

Phenom1
07-12-2015, 09:11 AM
How are people impressed with Okafor? Dude looks soft as hell and inconsistent. He was supposed to be the most NBA ready player and SL or not, he's been incredibly unimpressive to me. Porzingis looked as good as I expected though. He's like AD in the sense where... as he packs on pounds and gets used to NBA physicality he's just going to get scarier and scarier.


Really? i thought out of the top 3, okafor has been the most impressive. Towns and russel looked nervous at times and made rookie mistakes.

I just hope lakers dont regret picking Russel over him :/

warfelg
07-12-2015, 09:20 AM
Really? i thought out of the top 3, okafor has been the most impressive. Towns and russel looked nervous at times and made rookie mistakes.

I just hope lakers dont regret picking Russel over him :/

I got a gut feeling that Okafor will have a year to year career like Duncan. He won't give you and "blow you away" moments or games, but at the end of the season you will look at his stats and just think "oh ****".

I think if he averaged 20/10/3, he would have a high points of like 25/28, a low points of 15ish, high end rebs of 15, low end 7, and consistently have 3/4 assists. The only way he "blows you away" is if the 28/15/4 all happen in the same game.

BTW did anyone see his shoulder shake layup where he palmed the ball, made it look tiny" and just let go of the ball and it went in? That's where he's impressive. When he has Noel next to him picking up the defensive slack and Cov and Staus helping spread the floor he should look better.

Clippersfan86
07-12-2015, 09:45 AM
Well a few things to that:
1) it's rare for bigs to dominate and impress like that in SL
2) ZBo, Both Gasols, TD, Boogie Cousins are all guys who are "unimpressive" in terms of highlights that were around Jah's SL stats.
3) we have a bad fit for players around him.

Maybe. I guess he put up 19/11 yesterday and I didn't see but I saw the first couple games and didn't he go like 3-11 one of them? He just looked meh to me. I guess like you said though a lot of guys that looked just okay in SL went on to be great players. Also guys who look great end up not even making a roster etc.

warfelg
07-12-2015, 09:50 AM
Maybe. I guess he put up 19/11 yesterday and I didn't see but I saw the first couple games and didn't he go like 3-11 one of them? He just looked meh to me. I guess like you said though a lot of guys that looked just okay in SL went on to be great players. Also guys who look great end up not even making a roster etc.

IIRC he was 3-11 from the FT line. He's been shooting the ball fine from the field (~50%). What's funny is in Utah they asked him to play a little further from the rim, more of a high post PF type spot. In Vegas he's playing more traditional C low post. He's looked good at both spots.

He's had a surprisingly nice touch from the elbow with his jumper.

Our big problem is guys that are there with him like McRae, Grant, Sampson, McConnell, Jackson, Aldimer, and all the others are not really jump shooters. So when Jah gets the ball, the double comes fast. With no one to shoot the 3 reliably, Jah has had a hard time getting space. But to get 19/11 without that, it should be scary to think what could happen if he has guys to space the floor.

jimm120
07-12-2015, 09:52 AM
He went 3-11 in the first half of the first game. In the second half, he went 7-11, for an overall 10-22

jimm120
07-12-2015, 09:57 AM
Okafor will be a beast. The guy seems as if he'll definitely be at least 18ppg to go with 7 reb, 3ast, 1stl, and 1.5blk.

And that's just the first season.


And in philly, he'll get to shoot away as much as he wants, since they always trade away their good players.

warfelg
07-12-2015, 10:21 AM
Okafor will be a beast. The guy seems as if he'll definitely be at least 18ppg to go with 7 reb, 3ast, 1stl, and 1.5blk.

And that's just the first season.


And in philly, he'll get to shoot away as much as he wants, since they always trade away their good players.

This narrative needs to die. Who exactly is "good" that we traded away? Jrue, The average $10+mil PG with injury problems, she we turned into 3 first round picks? ET, the bust of a #2 pick? MCW, the poor shooting, TO prone PG, who won the ROY on volume stats and a historically poor class? Lavoy Allen? We got a 1st round pick for Thad Young, the overpaid tweeter of a PF. Spencer Hawes? Arnett Moultrie?

Honestly where are these good players we traded away?

Our starting lineup pre-Hinkie was:
Jrue
James Anderson
Evan Turner
Thad Young
Spencer Hawes
With an injured JRich and an injured Andrew Bynum. That lineup was good for the #10 pick, close to cap hell, and too good for a high pick.

Now we have 3 of what most consider the best player in their draft, 4 first round picks (potentially) in 2016 which includes the higher of the Sac/Philly picks, potentially $50 mil in cap space in 2016, 5 first round picks from 2013-15, and a state of the art practice facility opening in less than a year.

Tired of the comments on Philly without people actually taking second to research what has happened here.

Clippersfan86
07-12-2015, 10:28 AM
He went 3-11 in the first half of the first game. In the second half, he went 7-11, for an overall 10-22

Ahhh. Maybe that's what I got mixed in my sh**y memory. I admit I have a really bad memory. Lucky me I only really remember horrible experiences :/. Anyway.. I think Okafor could put up 16/7/2 or something his rookie year, but don't expect a ton of upside from what I've seen in scouting reports and the limited viewing time I have.

jimm120
07-12-2015, 10:32 AM
This narrative needs to die. Who exactly is "good" that we traded away? Jrue, The average $10+mil PG with injury problems, she we turned into 3 first round picks? ET, the bust of a #2 pick? MCW, the poor shooting, TO prone PG, who won the ROY on volume stats and a historically poor class? Lavoy Allen? We got a 1st round pick for Thad Young, the overpaid tweeter of a PF. Spencer Hawes? Arnett Moultrie?

Honestly where are these good players we traded away?

Our starting lineup pre-Hinkie was:
Jrue
James Anderson
Evan Turner
Thad Young
Spencer Hawes
With an injured JRich and an injured Andrew Bynum. That lineup was good for the #10 pick, close to cap hell, and too good for a high pick.

Now we have 3 of what most consider the best player in their draft, 4 first round picks (potentially) in 2016 which includes the higher of the Sac/Philly picks, potentially $50 mil in cap space in 2016, 5 first round picks from 2013-15, and a state of the art practice facility opening in less than a year.

Tired of the comments on Philly without people actually taking second to research what has happened here.

It is simple, The organization decided to just go out and try and find the next Durant/Westbrook, etc. A super star.

They trade everyone that isn't a superstar after 3 or 4 seasons so they don't have to pay them.

Jrue Holiday managed to be an all-star and they still shipped him off because they didn't see superstar in him...and they were correct. But you gotta keep a really good talent. Other teams would. They didn't because it didn't fit their philosophy of "Superstar".

MCW was the same thing. Good player but flawed. He's good, but not the superstar they crave. SO they trade him away.

If Okafor doesn't pan out, you can expect Noel to also go too after his 3rd or 4th year. Noel is great, but not a super star.

They're philosophy is that they'll continue to bet on the future picks and trade away current good players until they get that star.

If Okafor pans out, you can bet your *** they're gonna re-sign a great Noel, even if he's not a superstar. Cause at that moment, they'll feel as if they've finally gotten that elite piece they were craving.

I know you're a philly fan and defending it all, but don't take the "trading away all the good players" thing as if I'm saying what Philly is doing is wrong (though....). And you shouldn't go and justify that the players were bad, cause they weren't bad. Philly is simply looking for a star, not a good player. And until they find one or Hinkie is ousted, they'll continue to do so.

warfelg
07-12-2015, 10:32 AM
Ahhh. Maybe that's what I got mixed in my sh**y memory. I admit I have a really bad memory. Lucky me I only really remember horrible experiences :/. Anyway.. I think Okafor could put up 16/7/2 or something his rookie year, but don't expect a ton of upside from what I've seen in scouting reports and the limited viewing time I have.

I'm interested in know why you think this.

Fun note:
Day one of mini camp, Brett Brown got to the facility to go to his office at 6:30 am. Jahlil had already been there for an hour working on the court. Practice ended at 2:30ish pm. Jah is staying with Embiid right now. Embiid told Brown that Jah didn't get back to his condo until 6:00 pm.

warfelg
07-12-2015, 10:43 AM
It is simple, The organization decided to just go out and try and find the next Durant/Westbrook, etc. A super star.

They trade everyone that isn't a superstar after 3 or 4 seasons so they don't have to pay them.

Jrue Holiday managed to be an all-star and they still shipped him off because they didn't see superstar in him...and they were correct. But you gotta keep a really good talent. Other teams would. They didn't because it didn't fit their philosophy of "Superstar".

MCW was the same thing. Good player but flawed. He's good, but not the superstar they crave. SO they trade him away.

If Okafor doesn't pan out, you can expect Noel to also go too after his 3rd or 4th year. Noel is great, but not a super star.

They're philosophy is that they'll continue to bet on the future picks and trade away current good players until they get that star.

If Okafor pans out, you can bet your *** they're gonna re-sign a great Noel, even if he's not a superstar. Cause at that moment, they'll feel as if they've finally gotten that elite piece they were craving.

I know you're a philly fan and defending it all, but don't take the "trading away all the good players" thing as if I'm saying what Philly is doing is wrong (though....). And you shouldn't go and justify that the players were bad, cause they weren't bad. Philly is simply looking for a star, not a good player. And until they find one or Hinkie is ousted, they'll continue to do so.

You do know Jrue was only an allstar because of injuries right? He was the 3rd alternate. I would 100/100 times trade a fluke all star for 2 lotto picks because one of them (Noel) is already better IMO.

MCW is nothing special at all. They were offered a top-5 in 2015, top-3 in 2016, and unprotected in 2017 pick of a bad LAL team. So we have the chance to turn a #10 pick who was a ROY that many think didn't deserve it, into a very good high pick.

Jrue and Thad to me are the definition of purgatory players. Good enough to be bottom of lotto/8th seed team, bad enough to never actually compete for anything. Sorry if we weren't interested in keeping players who get you nothing.

I also doubt we would trade Noel if Okafor isn't great as a rookie. Noel has DPOY potential. Not unless some team offers us such a great deal what we can't say no.

I mean just look at the deals Hinkie has made. If they got out that we passed on them, people would mock us.

STRIKERC
07-12-2015, 10:44 AM
It is simple, The organization decided to just go out and try and find the next Durant/Westbrook, etc. A super star.

They trade everyone that isn't a superstar after 3 or 4 seasons so they don't have to pay them.

Jrue Holiday managed to be an all-star and they still shipped him off because they didn't see superstar in him...and they were correct. But you gotta keep a really good talent. Other teams would. They didn't because it didn't fit their philosophy of "Superstar".

MCW was the same thing. Good player but flawed. He's good, but not the superstar they crave. SO they trade him away.

If Okafor doesn't pan out, you can expect Noel to also go too after his 3rd or 4th year. Noel is great, but not a super star.

They're philosophy is that they'll continue to bet on the future picks and trade away current good players until they get that star.

If Okafor pans out, you can bet your *** they're gonna re-sign a great Noel, even if he's not a superstar. Cause at that moment, they'll feel as if they've finally gotten that elite piece they were craving.

I know you're a philly fan and defending it all, but don't take the "trading away all the good players" thing as if I'm saying what Philly is doing is wrong (though....). And you shouldn't go and justify that the players were bad, cause they weren't bad. Philly is simply looking for a star, not a good player. And until they find one or Hinkie is ousted, they'll continue to do so.

Nonsense.
You want Hinkie to hold onto to guys he doesn't see as part of the future because it makes you feel better?
Go kick rocks.

jimm120
07-12-2015, 12:14 PM
You do know Jrue was only an allstar because of injuries right? He was the 3rd alternate. I would 100/100 times trade a fluke all star for 2 lotto picks because one of them (Noel) is already better IMO.

MCW is nothing special at all. They were offered a top-5 in 2015, top-3 in 2016, and unprotected in 2017 pick of a bad LAL team. So we have the chance to turn a #10 pick who was a ROY that many think didn't deserve it, into a very good high pick.

Jrue and Thad to me are the definition of purgatory players. Good enough to be bottom of lotto/8th seed team, bad enough to never actually compete for anything. Sorry if we weren't interested in keeping players who get you nothing.

I also doubt we would trade Noel if Okafor isn't great as a rookie. Noel has DPOY potential. Not unless some team offers us such a great deal what we can't say no.

I mean just look at the deals Hinkie has made. If they got out that we passed on them, people would mock us.


Again, stop trying to bring your former players now.

The strategy is kind of odd because it is happening so many years (usually it is only 1 or 2 years), but I consider it a legit strategy is they truly crave that Superstar.

Most teams would lock up their good talent, even if it isn't a star.

Philly isn't doing that. They are turning their good talent into 1st round picks in hopes of landing a star. The problem is that it is lasting longer than normal.

warfelg
07-12-2015, 12:17 PM
And once again:
Locking up our good taken just got us the dreaded 10-7 spot. Other than you being a Knicks fan what advantage is there to being locked into those seed areas?

We've been in a place since AIs late years where we locked up "good talent" and got no where.

So I'll wait for the real "good talent" we "gave away" and the things Hinkie did that make him a "bad GM".

MELO 15
07-12-2015, 12:31 PM
Not being a Homer, but I wouldn't be surprised if KP (Porzingis) were to win Rookie of the year, and ends up being an all🌟 b4 the three drafted b4 him. He just looks like his game looks more promising.

D. Russell looks like he will get destroyed by the likes of guys like Westbrook, cp3 , curry 🍛, Conley. Towns looks like he won't be playing more than 15 minutes a game because he'll be in foul trouble most of the game, Okafor is the one I am going to put a question ❓ buy, he might end up being a beast. But for now, I like what I'm seeing from KP, Stanley Johnson, and Super Mario.

sportsfanatic99
07-12-2015, 12:54 PM
Not being a Homer, but I wouldn't be surprised if KP (Porzingis) were to win Rookie of the year, and ends up being an all🌟 b4 the three drafted b4 him. He just looks like his game looks more promising.

D. Russell looks like he will get destroyed by the likes of guys like Westbrook, cp3 , curry 🍛, Conley. Towns looks like he won't be playing more than 15 minutes a game because he'll be in foul trouble most of the game, Okafor is the one I am going to put a question ❓ buy, he might end up being a beast. But for now, I like what I'm seeing from KP, Stanley Johnson, and Super Mario.

dark horse: Ben Portis - he clearly outplayed Towns yesterday and he can shoot the 3.

favorite - Okafor - he's got all the moves a big man can ever need from what I've seen. mobile - can score in multiple ways AND he's gonna get the all the PT and touches he can get. Embiid going down just solidifed his ROY status - he's probably gonna avg 20 points.

Porzingis is gonna get pushed around by the real NBA players- dude's rail thin and probably tire out by mid season - only saving grace is that he can shoot. he might avg 12-15 points a game.

2-ONE-5
07-12-2015, 01:03 PM
And once again:
Locking up our good taken just got us the dreaded 10-7 spot. Other than you being a Knicks fan what advantage is there to being locked into those seed areas?

We've been in a place since AIs late years where we locked up "good talent" and got no where.

So I'll wait for the real "good talent" we "gave away" and the things Hinkie did that make him a "bad GM".

Hawes and Turner were so good though!

funny this thread is for SL ball and people still cant get away form talking about the Sixers "tanking"

Scoots
07-12-2015, 01:04 PM
This narrative needs to die. Who exactly is "good" that we traded away? Jrue, The average $10+mil PG with injury problems, she we turned into 3 first round picks? ET, the bust of a #2 pick? MCW, the poor shooting, TO prone PG, who won the ROY on volume stats and a historically poor class? Lavoy Allen? We got a 1st round pick for Thad Young, the overpaid tweeter of a PF. Spencer Hawes? Arnett Moultrie?

Honestly where are these good players we traded away?

Our starting lineup pre-Hinkie was:
Jrue
James Anderson
Evan Turner
Thad Young
Spencer Hawes
With an injured JRich and an injured Andrew Bynum. That lineup was good for the #10 pick, close to cap hell, and too good for a high pick.

Now we have 3 of what most consider the best player in their draft, 4 first round picks (potentially) in 2016 which includes the higher of the Sac/Philly picks, potentially $50 mil in cap space in 2016, 5 first round picks from 2013-15, and a state of the art practice facility opening in less than a year.

Tired of the comments on Philly without people actually taking second to research what has happened here.

Recognize a troll post and respond accordingly ... with silence. We don't need to discuss the 76ers team-building plan in every thread right?

warfelg
07-12-2015, 01:08 PM
Recognize a troll post and respond accordingly ... with silence. We don't need to discuss the 76ers team-building plan in every thread right?

Yea I'm dropping it. I can get the ones that say they don't understand or something like that. But the people that act like we traded studs for peanuts need to be hit with a 2x4 upside the head.

Anyways on the SL action:
I predict some nobody will make a name for themselves, the guys likely to be good will look average, and a few bust players will look competent.

For the people saying good things about Porzingas and bad things about Okafor. Porzingas is putting up numbers like Evan Turner and Okafor is putting up numbers like Cousins.

Scoots
07-12-2015, 01:09 PM
dark horse: Ben Portis - he clearly outplayed Towns yesterday and he can shoot the 3.

favorite - Okafor - he's got all the moves a big man can ever need from what I've seen. mobile - can score in multiple ways AND he's gonna get the all the PT and touches he can get. Embiid going down just solidifed his ROY status - he's probably gonna avg 20 points.

Porzingis is gonna get pushed around by the real NBA players- dude's rail thin and probably tire out by mid season - only saving grace is that he can shoot. he might avg 12-15 points a game.

Bobby Portis ... He's one of my favorites. Smart guy, works HARD, but his ceiling is WAY below Towns'

MELO 15
07-12-2015, 01:15 PM
dark horse: Ben Portis - he clearly outplayed Towns yesterday and he can shoot the 3.

favorite - Okafor - he's got all the moves a big man can ever need from what I've seen. mobile - can score in multiple ways AND he's gonna get the all the PT and touches he can get. Embiid going down just solidifed his ROY status - he's probably gonna avg 20 points.

Porzingis is gonna get pushed around by the real NBA players- dude's rail thin and probably tire out by mid season - only saving grace is that he can shoot. he might avg 12-15 points a game.

What people don't understand is that he is going to play away from the paint offensively to space the floor for Melo who is going to be operating inside the paint, so while he does need to bring his weight up, it will not his Achilles, on 18 minutes last night 🌃, he scored 12 points on 3/5 shooting, 6/7 from the line, 2 blocks, & ⚂ rebs. That tells me that he doesn't force shots, very efficient, and a good defender. This kid is special.

Scoots
07-12-2015, 01:39 PM
I predict some nobody will make a name for themselves, the guys likely to be good will look average, and a few bust players will look competent.

For the people saying good things about Porzingas and bad things about Okafor. Porzingas is putting up numbers like Evan Turner and Okafor is putting up numbers like Cousins.

Summer League always favors shooters ... so some shooter will likely win MVP.

warfelg
07-12-2015, 02:13 PM
And I'm sorry but Porzingis IMO has little shot at ROY. He's at best the 3rd option for the Knicks. Meanwhile a guy like Okafor will be the primary offensive player for the 6ers. Hard to compete with that.

GiantsSwaGG
07-12-2015, 02:18 PM
And I'm sorry but Porzingis IMO has little shot at ROY. He's at best the 3rd option for the Knicks. Meanwhile a guy like Okafor will be the primary offensive player for the 6ers. Hard to compete with that.

Zinger will struggle at times but will show some flashes, with that said Okafor should win because he's the 1st, 2nd and 3rd option.

1. Okafor
2. Towns
3. Russell

tredigs
07-12-2015, 02:26 PM
Okafor will for sure win it imo. He'll be the highest scoring player of the bunch, and by and large that's who wins it. I actually think Russell will struggle to adapt to the NBA game with his lack of explosion and lack of handles. He'll get 0 space and won't have much of an answer for that. We'll get some highlight reel passes though.

east fb knicks
07-12-2015, 02:32 PM
Stanley johnson will win Roy imo

5ass
07-12-2015, 02:54 PM
Kaminski is my pick for ROY, but I think Okafor has just as good of a shot.

warfelg
07-12-2015, 03:10 PM
Kaminski is my pick for ROY, but I think Okafor has just as good of a shot.

He's gonna be either the 3rd or 4th option on that team.

5ass
07-12-2015, 03:31 PM
He's gonna be either the 3rd or 4th option on that team.

Man I forgot about Big Al. I think Zeller is ready for a break out year too.

cheetos185
07-12-2015, 06:28 PM
Okafor is the most ready with star potential.

dalton749
07-12-2015, 08:25 PM
the raptors young talent has been really good so far starting from the defensive end
delon wright looks very poised as a playmaker, plays great defense, and has nice moves around the basket, should be a good bench player out the gate
norman powell looks like he could be an avery bradley type player, undersized 2 but a good defender and plays very physical
bruno caboclo is already a good 3 point shooter, if he figures out the mental game theres no ceiling on his game
bebe nogueria fits the new age center style, size good mobility, good defense and rebounding

getting their own dleague team next year is huge for a gm like Ujiri whos a great scout

MrfadeawayJB
07-13-2015, 08:29 PM
Larry Drew III might make a team, he has great vision.

DillyDill
07-13-2015, 09:16 PM
Love summer ball get 2 view new talent

DODGERS&LAKERS
07-13-2015, 09:48 PM
Out of all the rookies i have seen, Okafor has been the most impressive.

5ass
07-13-2015, 11:02 PM
Russell has 8 turnovers and 1 assist. Wow.

I was much more impressed with Mudiay. I didn't watch much of this guy before the draft, but I see why people think he can be a superstar. If he gets a jump shot, he can be an elite PG and the best player from this draft. Really happy for Nuggets fans.

Porzingis continues to impress me. Never doubted him. I'm happy with Mario, but I wanted Porzingis. He could've been a PERFECT fit on the Magic. Do you guys still want Tobias? Lol

GiantsSwaGG
07-13-2015, 11:09 PM
It's scary how good Prozingis can be in 2 years once he adds strength/experience

GiantsSwaGG
07-13-2015, 11:10 PM
Russell has 8 turnovers and 1 assist. Wow.

I was much more impressed with Mudiay. I didn't watch much of this guy before the draft, but I see why people think he can be a superstar. If he gets a jump shot, he can be an elite PG and the best player from this draft. Really happy for Nuggets fans.

Porzingis continues to impress me. Never doubted him. I'm happy with Mario, but I wanted Porzingis. He could've been a PERFECT fit on the Magic. Do you guys still want Tobias? Lol

I like Harris but he has a ways to go, Yall can keep "Melo Lite" for now lol

ManRam
07-13-2015, 11:11 PM
maybe the lakers aren't making the playoffs this year after all!


i caught just bits and pieces of that game and whatever i did catch was some of the worst basketball i've seen :laugh: yikes. i like randle and russell a lot, but this hopefully will serve as a good reminder to those ever-optimistic lakers fans about how rough rookies can be (randle for all intents and purposes is a rookie).

5ass
07-13-2015, 11:26 PM
I like Harris but he has a ways to go, Yall can keep "Melo Lite" for now lol

But somehow I still prefer the lite version over the full version lol. At only 22, I hope he molds his game into a more well rounded player.

DillyDill
07-14-2015, 01:20 AM
KP will be monster in 3 years when he gains, can't believe he's 7'3 that's ridiculous

PurpleLynch
07-14-2015, 05:56 AM
Zinger was a great,great draft pick:shame on the Knicks fans who booed this move,because with a little more of weight and two years of Nba experience,this guy could be the ultimate stretch forward.
He's extremely tall,fluid,has a great shot and a very good bball IQ. His body won't allow him to defend against the biggest PFs in the Nba,but with more work on his body he should become also a decent defender.
Okafor is the only one I can safely say is Nba ready,this guy is hella fun to watch in the post(crazy potential) and he's a smart guy.Plus,I think he will be very versatile as a big in the future.
Russell is completely lost:I watched all three Lakers games and while he showed something,he's still too much raw and slow for the Nba. Just hope he will adjust in two years,because he's gonna face a lot of good point guards,all more athletic than him. He also needs to have better handles,Nba won't fall for his college dribbling moves. Half of the problem is also Mark Madsen,he's incompetent and one of the worse coach I've ever seen.
Towns should be ok,he's foul prone and also he's not shooting well,but his potential is also huge.

Jetsguy
07-14-2015, 08:33 AM
I am shocked by how terrible Russell has looked. It is only SL and very early but for better or worse he will be forever judged against Okafor who looks like a monster and could be the one that got away from the Lakers.

As a NYK fan I have been please with KP, really think he can be an All Star player with proper development. I also think on what is bound to be a bad team he could have more of an immediate impact than previously thought. Grant has looked like he has good potential as well. With no 1st next year as of now, having these guys both pan out is critical for the Knicks to become relevant again.

warfelg
07-14-2015, 09:28 AM
I would temper expectations on Porzingis a little right now.

He's the center of the offense in a summer league that benefits players like him.

But come the season he's at best a limited minutes, 3rd fiddle player on a team with a shooter. So while he might end up efficient as a shooter, I see him struggling at times with a guy like AD, Noel, or Thad that can athletically go anywhere on the court with him. I can also see him struggling defensively if he has to cover stronger guys like ZBo, LMA, Armir Johnson.

cheetos185
07-14-2015, 09:46 AM
Porzy is doing so much in less minutes. He has completely changed my mind since draft night.

Teeboy1487
07-14-2015, 10:12 AM
I am shocked by how terrible Russell has looked. It is only SL and very early but for better or worse he will be forever judged against Okafor who looks like a monster and could be the one that got away from the Lakers.

As a NYK fan I have been please with KP, really think he can be an All Star player with proper development. I also think on what is bound to be a bad team he could have more of an immediate impact than previously thought. Grant has looked like he has good potential as well. With no 1st next year as of now, having these guys both pan out is critical for the Knicks to become relevant again.
I'm telling you, Porzingis will be the next great international player. He has the skill set to be a star right now. He just needs to get stronger. He will be amazing in the triangle. I also think he will be better at Center than PF. Right now, he just does not have the strength. Once he gets stronger, watch out.

nycericanguy
07-14-2015, 10:25 AM
I would temper expectations on Porzingis a little right now.

He's the center of the offense in a summer league that benefits players like him.

But come the season he's at best a limited minutes, 3rd fiddle player on a team with a shooter. So while he might end up efficient as a shooter, I see him struggling at times with a guy like AD, Noel, or Thad that can athletically go anywhere on the court with him. I can also see him struggling defensively if he has to cover stronger guys like ZBo, LMA, Armir Johnson.

lol what? that's literally the exact opposite of whats been happening...lol. Have you actually seen the games? 1st the KNicks aren't playing him that much, only 18mpg... 2nd, summer league is MUCH more geared toward guards, Zinger barely gets the ball, and when he does he hasn't forced it. he's only taken 10 shots in summer league so far but he's scoring 10.5ppg in just 18mpg and shooting over 50%.

He's shown poise though, the other top picks are taking a ton of shots but KP is really playing within the flow of the offense. I mean Towns & Mudiay each took 15 shots just last game, KP has 10 shots in two games total.

Most knick fans are complaining that he isn't getting enough touches or minutes because all the guards are chucking.

KP will benefit from a more structured regular season offense, and from Melo drawing double teams.

He's also playing C right now which is not ideal for him because he's spending most of his time down low... I dont think he's taken a 3pt'er yet...

Jetsguy
07-14-2015, 10:55 AM
I would temper expectations on Porzingis a little right now.

He's the center of the offense in a summer league that benefits players like him.

But come the season he's at best a limited minutes, 3rd fiddle player on a team with a shooter. So while he might end up efficient as a shooter, I see him struggling at times with a guy like AD, Noel, or Thad that can athletically go anywhere on the court with him. I can also see him struggling defensively if he has to cover stronger guys like ZBo, LMA, Armir Johnson.

For the first time in a LONG time I actually think expectations, at least among Knicks fans, are perfectly reasonable. Nobody thinks he is going to be an All Star this year or the next Dirk or whoever the heck analysts want to compare him to. I think the fact that it is so widely understood that until he bulks up and gets more experience (just 19 years old) we will not really know who he is. I think both Knick fans and detractors from other teams have to be at least a little surprised by his VERY EARLY success, how he is doing it (efficiently, within the offense - if that exists in SL, playing sound D etc.)

Scoots
07-14-2015, 11:51 AM
Porzingas needs the playing time to continue all year. Not HEAVY minutes, but 30mpg. The problem is they can't do that if their plan is to win as many games as possible. It will be interesting to see how Melo reacts to it.

GiantsSwaGG
07-14-2015, 01:11 PM
But somehow I still prefer the lite version over the full version lol. At only 22, I hope he molds his game into a more well rounded player.

Oh trust me I would prefer Harris over Melo but having them on the same team doesn't make sense. I don't agree with the flack Yall thrown at Harris, I think he's be an all star soon!

LAKERS4LIFE!!
07-14-2015, 02:16 PM
The Lakers summer league team has played some of the worst basketball I've ever seen in my life sadly lol

FriedTofuz
07-14-2015, 04:22 PM
Knick fans are hyping up porzingis too much, calm down feelas, I know you're hungry for some change but yall are already sounding like knick fans hwo thought they could make the ECF a year ago. Settle down. Porzingis will be solid in 3 years, not 2, big men take time, stop this.

KnicksYanks
07-14-2015, 04:47 PM
Knick fans are hyping up porzingis too much, calm down feelas, I know you're hungry for some change but yall are already sounding like knick fans hwo thought they could make the ECF a year ago. Settle down. Porzingis will be solid in 3 years, not 2, big men take time, stop this.

I think we all know he's a solid 3 years away from truly being great but to say he can't contribute from day 1 isn't right. A 7'3" power forward who can shoot the three and has great IQ is alone to contribute from day 1 especially in the triangle .

Slimsim
07-14-2015, 05:37 PM
Lakers might regret not taking okafor I was wrong though okafor was a busy he is really nba ready and has a it factor to him

cheetos185
07-14-2015, 09:34 PM
Lakers might regret not taking okafor I was wrong though okafor was a busy he is really nba ready and has a it factor to him
Yea Okafor is the most sure star out of all top 10 picks.

ManRam
07-14-2015, 09:36 PM
funny how all the people who just assumed porzingis would bust merely because he was european are changing their tune so quickly. it's almost like actually watching a guy play is the best way to judge a player, not just silly stereotypes!


I think we all know he's a solid 3 years away from truly being great but to say he can't contribute from day 1 isn't right. A 7'3" power forward who can shoot the three and has great IQ is alone to contribute from day 1 especially in the triangle .

"three years away from being great"...like most 19 year-old draft picks. i've never understood why him being a couple, three, or whatever amount of years away from being a really good player ever was a knock. rookies aren't ever "great" from day one. there are rookies that are pretty good, like lebron, kd, brow, etc....but most everyone else takes time. as you'd always expect.

it's like knick fans thought justise winslow would come in and be a great player on day one. nah. he too will take some time.

nycericanguy
07-14-2015, 09:39 PM
Okafor impressed me on one hand with his scoring down low and even his handle...

on the other hand, he was getting his shot blocked repeatedly, doesn't get off the floor much and couldn't hit a FT, and looked very fatigued. even asked to come out of hte game late in the 4th, conditioning is def an issue for him right now.

KP looks like he can be a legit two way player, but Okafor seems like a more sure thing right now.

KP isn't getting nearly as many minutes or touches or shots as the other top picks though, don't know if that's by design or what... but I would like to see him get more than 4-5 shots a game.

KnicksYanks
07-14-2015, 09:41 PM
funny how all the people who just assumed porzingis would bust merely because he was european are changing their tune so quickly. it's almost like actually watching a guy play is the best way to judge a player, not just silly stereotypes!



"three years away from being great"...like most 19 year-old draft picks. i've never understood why him being a couple, three, or whatever amount of years away from being a really good player ever was a knock. rookies aren't ever "great" from day one. there are rookies that are pretty good, like lebron, kd, brow, etc....but most everyone else takes time. as you'd always expect.

it's like knick fans thought justise winslow would come in and be a great player on day one. nah. he too will take some time.

Cause knicks fans are impatient. And I meant it in the sense that he can contribute from day one meaning he can do things to help the team immediately. I know he's far from stardom and that will take time and I'm fine with waiting

ManRam
07-14-2015, 09:54 PM
Cause knicks fans are impatient. And I meant it in the sense that he can contribute from day one meaning he can do things to help the team immediately. I know he's far from stardom and that will take time and I'm fine with waiting

that's fine. but again, even a guy like winslow, he might contribute a few things from day one but there's gonna still be a TON of headaches and growing pains in plenty of other areas too. besides the top 1 or 2 guys, you usually have to wait a while for even anything more than replacement level. at 4, there probably wasn't a guy who in 2015-16 is making a tangible difference. that's why it was always silly to care this much. especially since contention isn't happening in 2015-16. it truly is just a lack of patience. i kinda get it with melo and a potentially-closing window, but still. trade the pick if you want immediate help, because you aren't getting it from a rookie.

flea
07-14-2015, 09:59 PM
Okafor impressed me on one hand with his scoring down low and even his handle...

on the other hand, he was getting his shot blocked repeatedly, doesn't get off the floor much and couldn't hit a FT, and looked very fatigued. even asked to come out of hte game late in the 4th, conditioning is def an issue for him right now.

KP looks like he can be a legit two way player, but Okafor seems like a more sure thing right now.

KP isn't getting nearly as many minutes or touches or shots as the other top picks though, don't know if that's by design or what... but I would like to see him get more than 4-5 shots a game.

Sounded like he's a pick and pop player mostly from scouting reports. Today was the first I've seen him other than highlight junk. Liked how he competed defensively, but you can tell he's pretty raw. Wasn't asked to do much offensively, and seemed hesitant at times on that end. Would have liked to seem some of that shooting on the move we hear about, but he was turning down stand-still jumpers.

Okafor was good again. Got a little tired but he'll be fine, I don't think conditioning is going to be an issue in his career unless he gets lazy. He was a horse last year, and some of those blocks didn't look like elevation so much to me as knowing when to make a move and when not to. He's not a power guy offensively anyway, I think that can get cleaned up. It was clear teams fear and gameplan for him on the P&R and the block, I imagine the will in the NBA very soon as well.

The rest: that other forward for the Knicks played well, but I think he's just a career d-leaguer. Grant showed good awareness, but that's expected for his age. Still, he played well against a good defender (who did have a great offensive game, though I missed of Wilbekin's hot shooting). Hope Wilbekin finds a place on a roster, he deserves it. He'd be a great PG next to James Harden or Monta Ellis if he can be a solid shooter from deep vs. NBA defenses. He's already a better defender than most NBA PGs.

HowBoutDemBulls
07-14-2015, 11:39 PM
Who yall got for your top 5 rookies so far?
1. Stanley Johnson
2. Towns
3. Kaminsky
4. Mudiay
5. Zinger

bootsy
07-15-2015, 12:25 AM
Who yall got for your top 5 rookies so far?
1. Stanley Johnson
2. Towns
3. Kaminsky
4. Mudiay
5. Zinger

Where's Okafor? Try again.

I Luv Pu$$y
07-15-2015, 01:09 AM
?

melo
07-15-2015, 01:14 AM
Who yall got for your top 5 rookies so far?
1. Stanley Johnson
2. Towns
3. Kaminsky
4. Mudiay
5. Zingerlol at zinger being below towns, kaminsky and mudiay

HowBoutDemBulls
07-15-2015, 01:37 AM
Where's Okafor? Try again.

Okafor would be 6th. He's got free reign to take as many shots as possible while the other guys are doing more with less. I feel like if Zinger took that many shots he would have just as good of a stat line if not better. plus his D has been much better than Jahlil. I would not argue with anyone that would put Okafor 2nd or 3rd tho. I've just been slightly more impressed with the 5 guys I put before him. But maybe I'm kinda biased against the Dukies haha

DODGERS&LAKERS
07-15-2015, 02:01 AM
All these guys are struggling. Porzy is not but he doesnt play enough, nor does he get enough shots. 5 shots a game is not enough. neither is 20 minutes. Okafor is scoring as many points as his number of shots per game which is not good. Towns is shooting 33% and getting 11/7 with 7 fouls in 19 minuites. Russell had one good game and two horrible ones. He turns the ball over way too much. Mudiay is shooting 34% from the field. Rookies suck. Especially 19 year old rookies.

Kenny
07-15-2015, 08:42 AM
All these guys are struggling. Porzy is not but he doesnt play enough, nor does he get enough shots. 5 shots a game is not enough. neither is 20 minutes. Okafor is scoring as many points as his number of shots per game which is not good. Towns is shooting 33% and getting 11/7 with 7 fouls in 19 minuites. Russell had one good game and two horrible ones. He turns the ball over way too much. Mudiay is shooting 34% from the field. Rookies suck. Especially 19 year old rookies.

Pretty much exactly what you said. Thats why people saying it was dumb to take Porzingis because he is two years away is silly. All of these guys are 2-3 years away from becoming closer to what they can be in their peak.

I would worry about Okafor a little bit though. The amount of times he has been stuffed at the rim is alarming. He is going to be facing legit 7 footers every night in the NBA.

warfelg
07-15-2015, 08:52 AM
All the people worried about Okafor or "not impressed":
1) 6ers SL team has almost no shooting. Teams are collapsing on Okafor
2) He's played 8 games in 11 days with about 35 mpg. That's exhausting.
3) SL is usually a struggle for big men.
4) Some of those stuffs have been fouls too. So don't get too overhyped on that.
5) he's been relatively foul free. Meanwhile guys like Porz and Towns are averaging 6/7 fouls a game.

nycericanguy
07-15-2015, 09:03 AM
^ KP is averaging 4.6 fouls per game...

Okafor has been impressive in some aspects and obviously not in others. But he is being featured way more than any of the other top picks for sure. No need to make excuses for his shot getting blocked though. Way too early for that kinda stuff. Okafor is getting tons of FT's. and he got more shot attempts last game than KP has all summer league...lol. So even though SL is usually catered more to guards and big men have trouble getting involved, that certainly hasnt been the case with Oak. PHI is making a conscious effort to get him the ball almost every time down court.

FraziersKnicks
07-15-2015, 09:43 AM
I've been impressed with Zinger. He's scored 30 points on 15 shots in 3 games with 6 blocks. Averaging 10 points and 2 blocks a game on 60% shooting in 20 minutes is impressive to me.

He looks a little lost on offense and is playing out of position (doubt he plays any center in his rookie year), but he's picked his spots and looked very good in my opinion.

warfelg
07-15-2015, 09:50 AM
^ KP is averaging 4.6 fouls per game...

Okafor has been impressive in some aspects and obviously not in others. But he is being featured way more than any of the other top picks for sure. No need to make excuses for his shot getting blocked though. Way too early for that kinda stuff. Okafor is getting tons of FT's. and he got more shot attempts last game than KP has all summer league...lol. So even though SL is usually catered more to guards and big men have trouble getting involved, that certainly hasnt been the case with Oak. PHI is making a conscious effort to get him the ball almost every time down court.

So 4.6 fouls a game in 20min per game?

That ain't good. At all.

Okafor averaged 18/9 in 32 min per game. If he's getting reg season touches, fouls, and minutes he could realistically put up 20/10.

celticsman2009
07-15-2015, 09:52 AM
RJ Hunter after an abysmal first 2 games is finally playing well. Celtics second rounder Jordan Mickey is playing very well. Strong work ethic and hustle.

Kyle Anderson is also playing well too. Wish the Celtics drafted him last year.

BlueMotorCycle
07-15-2015, 10:35 AM
KP is efficient and has been the most impressive by far.. If he play on any other team yall would hop on nuts.

Good luck find any one these Phaggs on psd nba forum to agree .. Knicks haters

nycericanguy
07-15-2015, 10:42 AM
So 4.6 fouls a game in 20min per game?

That ain't good. At all.

Okafor averaged 18/9 in 32 min per game. If he's getting reg season touches, fouls, and minutes he could realistically put up 20/10.

The last thing I'm worried about is KP's fouls.

#1 he's playing C in SL, obviously he was at a huge disadvantage physically against Oak and had to foul him, but overall holding him to 44% shooting is a win. and #2 players foul more in SL becasue they know they have more fouls to give. everyone fouls a ton in SL, I'm not sure why you're hung up on that stat.

He won't be playing C during the regular season.

Yea I think Okafor could be 20/10. def needs to get in better shape though, he looks like he's pushing 280 and he's only 19. I always said he was my fav player in the draft but there are concerns about his weight and motivation.

omdigga
07-15-2015, 11:10 AM
The last thing I'm worried about is KP's fouls.

#1 he's playing C in SL, obviously he was at a huge disadvantage physically against Oak and had to foul him, but overall holding him to 44% shooting is a win. and #2 players foul more in SL becasue they know they have more fouls to give. everyone fouls a ton in SL, I'm not sure why you're hung up on that stat.

He won't be playing C during the regular season.

Yea I think Okafor could be 20/10. def needs to get in better shape though, he looks like he's pushing 280 and he's only 19. I always said he was my fav player in the draft but there are concerns about his weight and motivation.

Okafor looked awesome in the post.. hes going to demand double teams the first day he steps on the court. A little conditioning and more comfort with that midrange bank, makes him unstoppable on offense. With Noel playing next to him to help his D.. its going to be fun to watch those two grow together.

2-ONE-5
07-15-2015, 11:11 AM
there are no concerns about his motivation just watch him play and listen to him speak. Like War said thats a lot of mins in a short period of time for a guy that big and who hasnt played a real game in a while. SL is the first step to him getting in better shape, after camp and pre-season he will be where he needs to be. Just hope he can spend plenty of time on those FT's too.

BChydro86
07-15-2015, 11:16 AM
Porz is proving that he can play in the league, he can hit a shot and keep pace... But honestly, that's all he has shown. If I was a betting man, I'd put his potential in the bargnani range, can't picture him being much better than that. He's never gonna be an average rebounder, and he doesn't box out for his teammates to get boards like okafor does.

Blocking an okafor shot isn't any indicator of being a good or even above average NBA defender, okafor has been getting his shots blocked a ton since Utah, and it's mostly because of poor game conditioning and lots of games after a long layoff.

Can't wait to see okafor in NBA game shape, next to Noel should be something special.

omdigga
07-15-2015, 11:23 AM
Porz is proving that he can play in the league, he can hit a shot and keep pace... But honestly, that's all he has shown. If I was a betting man, I'd put his potential in the bargnani range, can't picture him being much better than that. He's never gonna be an average rebounder, and he doesn't box out for his teammates to get boards like okafor does.

Blocking an okafor shot isn't any indicator of being a good or even above average NBA defender, okafor has been getting his shots blocked a ton since Utah, and it's mostly because of poor game conditioning and lots of games after a long layoff.

Can't wait to see okafor in NBA game shape, next to Noel should be something special.

Dont you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby, Dont you put that evil on me!

On a serious note, KP has impacted games more with his defense than offense. He is a great help defender, stays vertical, and does box out. He obviously needs to put on some weight, but his basketball instincts are really good.

deaner
07-15-2015, 12:13 PM
Zinger is obviously talented, but I am seriously questioning his health and fragility to play with the big boys for 82.

Norman Powell should be mentioned in this thread. He's an out of nowhere player comparable to Whiteside.

aman_13
07-15-2015, 12:31 PM
Zinger is very talented. Hopefully Knicks fans remain patient with him because it will take some time for him to develop.

Norman Powell through three games:
19.3 points, 4.7 rebounds, 1.7 steals, and 1.3 blocks, 59.5 fg%

Scoots
07-15-2015, 01:30 PM
Powell is a lot older than the guys he's playing with. This is what happens when you stay in school.

He's doing now what he did at UCLA, he's not timid, he's going hard at it.

That doesn't mean he's a steal yet, but it could be ... we will see in a couple years.

east fb knicks
07-15-2015, 08:30 PM
I was pissed on draft night we didn't take mudiay :hide: now I feel like a dumass cuz zinger looks like the real deal

5ass
07-15-2015, 09:22 PM
Porz is proving that he can play in the league, he can hit a shot and keep pace... But honestly, that's all he has shown. If I was a betting man, I'd put his potential in the bargnani range, can't picture him being much better than that. He's never gonna be an average rebounder, and he doesn't box out for his teammates to get boards like okafor does.

Blocking an okafor shot isn't any indicator of being a good or even above average NBA defender, okafor has been getting his shots blocked a ton since Utah, and it's mostly because of poor game conditioning and lots of games after a long layoff.

Can't wait to see okafor in NBA game shape, next to Noel should be something special.

I disagree he has way better tools than bargnani. I'd put his potential much higher than that. He can be a better shooter, easily a better defender (individual and help), and a better finisher at the rim. Guy has all the tools to become a great two way player. He has more potential than okafor IMO.

bucketss
07-15-2015, 09:29 PM
bargnani is more talented and skilled than zingis will ever be, zinigis will probably become the better player only because he seems to like basketball, bargnani gave up on basketball his 3rd season.

bucketss
07-15-2015, 09:31 PM
bargnani needs papovich to make him cry a few times.

Phenom1
07-15-2015, 10:33 PM
I was pissed on draft night we didn't take mudiay :hide: now I feel like a dumass cuz zinger looks like the real deal

haha yea unless mudiay gets a jumpshot, i just see him as another Evans when he was in sac town. Zinger looks good though

2-ONE-5
07-15-2015, 10:42 PM
I disagree he has way better tools than bargnani. I'd put his potential much higher than that. He can be a better shooter, easily a better defender (individual and help), and a better finisher at the rim. Guy has all the tools to become a great two way player. He has more potential than okafor IMO.

stop it

5ass
07-15-2015, 10:56 PM
stop it

It's true :shrug:. Doesn't mean I think he'll be a better player, but the potential is there to be the best player in the draft.

MonroeFAN
07-16-2015, 06:32 AM
How is that a "stop it" type of comment?

Zinger has some elite potential, and I couldn't tell you which one I would take. Not trying to be a hater, but I assumed this was the general consensus. A player with that size and range on both sides of the court has unlimited potential.

2-ONE-5
07-16-2015, 08:33 AM
its more that so much is being judged in meaningless SL games in this thread.

nycericanguy
07-16-2015, 09:08 AM
Porz is proving that he can play in the league, he can hit a shot and keep pace... But honestly, that's all he has shown. If I was a betting man, I'd put his potential in the bargnani range, can't picture him being much better than that. He's never gonna be an average rebounder, and he doesn't box out for his teammates to get boards like okafor does.

Blocking an okafor shot isn't any indicator of being a good or even above average NBA defender, okafor has been getting his shots blocked a ton since Utah, and it's mostly because of poor game conditioning and lots of games after a long layoff.

Can't wait to see okafor in NBA game shape, next to Noel should be something special.

so his ceiling is a bust? a net negative player? He doesnt have a chance to even be good?...lol

D-Leethal
07-16-2015, 09:53 AM
Porz is proving that he can play in the league, he can hit a shot and keep pace... But honestly, that's all he has shown. If I was a betting man, I'd put his potential in the bargnani range, can't picture him being much better than that. He's never gonna be an average rebounder, and he doesn't box out for his teammates to get boards like okafor does.

Blocking an okafor shot isn't any indicator of being a good or even above average NBA defender, okafor has been getting his shots blocked a ton since Utah, and it's mostly because of poor game conditioning and lots of games after a long layoff.

Can't wait to see okafor in NBA game shape, next to Noel should be something special.

Zinger's defense has been the best aspect of his game in SL, along with his poise on offense and ability to put up double digit points on limited shot attempts. Very smart 2 way player, has a chance to be an ELITE defender and no I'm not just talking about shot blocking. He is very quick laterally, rarely misses his rotations, ices the pick and roll extremely well and has a great motor when it comes to rim protection. His rebounding needs work but he battles with the big boys and this is playing out of position at C where he is clearly not physically ready to be playing.


bargnani is more talented and skilled than zingis will ever be, zinigis will probably become the better player only because he seems to like basketball, bargnani gave up on basketball his 3rd season.

Care to elaborate or nah? Didn't think so...

He has way more range than Bargs, more patience and poise on offense, infinitely more BBIQ, and 100x the team defender Bargs ever was. Zinger has a competitive gene and takes pride in his game, that alone separates him from Bargs.

FraziersKnicks
07-16-2015, 11:19 AM
its more that so much is being judged in meaningless SL games in this thread.

But this was everyone's thinking BEFORE SL. Okafor is the more sure bet but Zinger has a much higher ceiling.

2-ONE-5
07-16-2015, 11:29 AM
But this was everyone's thinking BEFORE SL. Okafor is the more sure bet but Zinger has a much higher ceiling.

no it wasnt. the majority had Porz as closer to an overrated euro

nycericanguy
07-16-2015, 11:49 AM
no it wasnt. the majority had Porz as closer to an overrated euro

majority of who? PSD maybe... certainly not scouts.

sixers247
07-16-2015, 12:27 PM
Even as a sixers fan i can say Porz has way more potential than Okafor. Doesn't mean he will be better but if everything goes right he will be unreal. Ok is the sure thing and will be better the first couple years but Porz could pass him after that.

TheNumber37
07-16-2015, 12:33 PM
bargnani is more talented and skilled than zingis will ever be, zinigis will probably become the better player only because he seems to like basketball, bargnani gave up on basketball his 3rd season.

Porzingis is a better screener , runner, shooter, defender, Passer and has a higher IQ and athletic ability.. How is Bargnani more talented, exactly?

nycericanguy
07-16-2015, 12:38 PM
bargnani is more talented and skilled than zingis will ever be, zinigis will probably become the better player only because he seems to like basketball, bargnani gave up on basketball his 3rd season.

i disagree but who cares really? People act like Bargs doesnt have talent... Bargs is more talented than most players in the NBA, few 7 footers can do what Bargs can do. Bargs's problem was never talent, it was IQ, heart, fit and love for the game.

I mean Eddy Curry had all the talent in the world but look how he turned out.

Bargs has more talent than Marc Gasol but Marc is a top 20 player in the league.

I've been incredibly impressed with the way KP carries himself, his poise and awareness on both ends of the court, and the way he fits in. A 7'3 Bargs with his head on straight and good defense would have been a top 5 player in the league.

aman_13
07-16-2015, 12:43 PM
Bargs definitely had talent. He just didn't have the drive and work ethic to get better. It's extremely disappointing because he could of been a great player.

5ass
07-16-2015, 01:07 PM
no it wasnt. the majority had Porz as closer to an overrated euro

Maybe only the ones that never saw him play. As a magic fan I watched some games and read some scouting reports and I knew of his potential all along. He actually looks as good as advertised out there in summer league, and I believe will continue to do so.

Anyway who cares what the majority think. They're usually wrong.

D-Leethal
07-16-2015, 01:08 PM
Bargs certainly had talent but I can't say he had more raw talent than Zinger. He is Roy Hibbert size with a lights out 3 ball, off the dribble skills, and a 38 inch vertical. On D he looks like a 7'3 Andrei Kirilenko. Zinger has more raw (emphasis on raw) talent than any prospect I can think of since AD and to be honest it's close there too.

RLundi
07-16-2015, 01:30 PM
no it wasnt. the majority had Porz as closer to an overrated euro

Who did? The consensus from people that actually watch basketball was that he was flying to the top of mock drafts because scouts were DROOLING over his potential. Hell, the freaking Sixers were in the mix for him.

He has the chance to be the best player from this draft. How often do you see a player with his size, shooting, defensive awareness, poise and young age? His potential is off the charts. Will he reach it? Remains to be seen. But if he does, watch the hell out. Okafor is good, but we know what he'll become, more or less. He isn't going to shock us and start shooting threes or dominate defensively anytime soon. Chances are, he'll be the better, more consistent player. But Porzingis has all the tools and upside to be leaps and bounds ahead of Okafor.

Hawkeye15
07-16-2015, 01:35 PM
SL absolutely has meaning ... it's not like it translates direct to the NBA, but it REALLY has value. For instance, the youngsters start learning the big teams offense and defensive schemes. The coaches get to find out who is quick to learn and who isn't. Who can play the game and who can PLAY the game. Even with all the miscues and typical bad shooting you can still see indications of the talent the players have.

oh it means something for the young players, it just means nothing when you are trying to then extrapolate that to predict a career haha.

D-Leethal
07-16-2015, 01:41 PM
oh it means something for the young players, it just means nothing when you are trying to then extrapolate that to predict a career haha.

I would say production means next to nothing - if you see someone dropping 20-10 in SL and think he's a surefire stud because of it you're a fool. But if you know what to look for in a player the eye test gets a great workout during summer league. It's a great way to evaluate skillsets, awareness, toughness and that sort of thing.

ewing
07-16-2015, 02:16 PM
But this was everyone's thinking BEFORE SL. Okafor is the more sure bet but Zinger has a much higher ceiling.

I think okafor is a lock to be rookie for the year. I like what i have seen from our guy but i think it more accurate to say Zinger has a high ceiling but is a question mark. Okafor also has a high ceiling but is more of a player right now

FYL_McVeezy
07-16-2015, 03:13 PM
I think okafor is a lock to be rookie for the year. I like what i have seen from our guy but i think it more accurate to say Zinger has a high ceiling but is a question mark. Okafor also has a high ceiling but is more of a player right now

Agree....I really see Okafor winning ROY

bucketss
07-17-2015, 12:14 AM
Zinger's defense has been the best aspect of his game in SL, along with his poise on offense and ability to put up double digit points on limited shot attempts. Very smart 2 way player, has a chance to be an ELITE defender and no I'm not just talking about shot blocking. He is very quick laterally, rarely misses his rotations, ices the pick and roll extremely well and has a great motor when it comes to rim protection. His rebounding needs work but he battles with the big boys and this is playing out of position at C where he is clearly not physically ready to be playing.



Care to elaborate or nah? Didn't think so...

He has way more range than Bargs, more patience and poise on offense, infinitely more BBIQ, and 100x the team defender Bargs ever was. Zinger has a competitive gene and takes pride in his game, that alone separates him from Bargs.

yeah thats what will make zingis better, reason bargnani isn't an all star is because he doesn't seem to care much, espcially after getting paid. bargnani is a 7 seven footer that can score from anywhere, he can post you up, take any big man to the basket. lol @ way more range.

bucketss
07-17-2015, 12:15 AM
i disagree but who cares really? People act like Bargs doesnt have talent... Bargs is more talented than most players in the NBA, few 7 footers can do what Bargs can do. Bargs's problem was never talent, it was IQ, heart, fit and love for the game.

I mean Eddy Curry had all the talent in the world but look how he turned out.

Bargs has more talent than Marc Gasol but Marc is a top 20 player in the league.

I've been incredibly impressed with the way KP carries himself, his poise and awareness on both ends of the court, and the way he fits in. A 7'3 Bargs with his head on straight and good defense would have been a top 5 player in the league.

i agree, bargs is super skilled and talented, which pisses me off even more.

Stunner
07-17-2015, 01:42 AM
McDermott https://youtu.be/p6ktPkFjdMk

KG2TB
07-17-2015, 08:53 PM
Mcbuckets still looks like a high schooler

D-Leethal
07-18-2015, 10:53 AM
yeah thats what will make zingis better, reason bargnani isn't an all star is because he doesn't seem to care much, espcially after getting paid. bargnani is a 7 seven footer that can score from anywhere, he can post you up, take any big man to the basket. lol @ way more range.

Bargs hasn't had an accurate 3 ball since his rookie year. His 3 ball is terrible, he has no range. Zinger was touted by some as the best 3 shooter in the draft.

Scoots
07-18-2015, 02:22 PM
Zinger looks pretty skilled, and he's not far off being heavy enough. The Knicks think he can put on 10 pounds by training camp and my guess is another 10 after that will probably get him to his ideal playing weight of around 255.

It will be interesting to see how the Knicks learn to play as a team and what other parts they can develop around this core.

GiantsSwaGG
07-18-2015, 02:24 PM
Grant is becoming one of my favorite players already, dude just knows how to play keeps his head up and makes the right pass, if he can work on his jumper just alil I think he can start imo

Calderon
Grant
Affalo
Melo
Lopez

That would be my starting 5

Scoots
07-18-2015, 05:09 PM
Grant is becoming one of my favorite players already, dude just knows how to play keeps his head up and makes the right pass, if he can work on his jumper just alil I think he can start imo


Grant seems to have 2 speeds, stopped and nearly out of control :) He desperately needs a jump shot. But clearly he and the other youngsters need a lot of PT to maximize their improvement ... in other words the Knicks should not try to maximize their wins this year in interest of developing for the future ... not that they are going to do that.

bucketss
07-18-2015, 06:02 PM
Grant seems to have 2 speeds, stopped and nearly out of control :) He desperately needs a jump shot. But clearly he and the other youngsters need a lot of PT to maximize their improvement ... in other words the Knicks should not try to maximize their wins this year in interest of developing for the future ... not that they are going to do that.

sucks that they traded their unprotected pick for andrea bargnani, but i do hope they don't maximize their wins,and focus more on developing zingis and grant :D

GiantsSwaGG
07-18-2015, 08:01 PM
Grant seems to have 2 speeds, stopped and nearly out of control :) He desperately needs a jump shot. But clearly he and the other youngsters need a lot of PT to maximize their improvement ... in other words the Knicks should not try to maximize their wins this year in interest of developing for the future ... not that they are going to do that.

Grant jumper is not that bad, he just needs to tweak it alil. He'll hit a jumper if left open, but I love that he keeps his head up and reads the defense, attacks the basket at the right time. He's a pass first player with sneaky offensive skills. Cleanthony Early improved also, I still expect growing pains this season but I also expect a lot of growth, he's becoming a very good slasher, he also has to work on his jumper but the tools are their for him as well. I'm just loving the young pieces we have. I don't expect us to make the playoffs but I expect us to win at least 25-30 games with promising play from our young guys. For the first time we finally have young assets that we can look forward too in the future, only thing that's left is Melo asking for a trade and netting us a couple of 1st

Stunner
07-19-2015, 12:14 AM
Bobby Portis highlights https://youtu.be/fcE6bFxxqNU

FYL_McVeezy
07-19-2015, 11:50 AM
Zinger looks pretty skilled, and he's not far off being heavy enough. The Knicks think he can put on 10 pounds by training camp and my guess is another 10 after that will probably get him to his ideal playing weight of around 255.

It will be interesting to see how the Knicks learn to play as a team and what other parts they can develop around this core.

With the role players we brought in I hope that we can build a more defensive identity....also we are looking to run more and add some variety of sets to our triangle...a healthy melo and all the pieces clicking can keep us on the playoff bubble for the duration of the season...maybe we get in maybe we don't but I see us being more competitive then the last 2 seasons IMO...

Scoots
07-19-2015, 11:24 PM
Bobby Portis highlights https://youtu.be/fcE6bFxxqNU

My draft crush. I hoped he'd continue to get missed and go in the high 20s and the Warriors would have a chance to trade up (somehow) to get him. But he climbed and climbed and climbed and now he's going to be a fan favorite for years.

kdspurman
07-20-2015, 08:23 AM
I must say,Becky Hammon has done a fine job coaching. She could have a HC opportunity a few years down the line.

sixers247
07-20-2015, 09:26 AM
Grant jumper is not that bad, he just needs to tweak it alil. He'll hit a jumper if left open, but I love that he keeps his head up and reads the defense, attacks the basket at the right time. He's a pass first player with sneaky offensive skills. Cleanthony Early improved also, I still expect growing pains this season but I also expect a lot of growth, he's becoming a very good slasher, he also has to work on his jumper but the tools are their for him as well. I'm just loving the young pieces we have. I don't expect us to make the playoffs but I expect us to win at least 25-30 games with promising play from our young guys. For the first time we finally have young assets that we can look forward too in the future, only thing that's left is Melo asking for a trade and netting us a couple of 1st

Big fan of Grant. Wanted the sixers to get the Heat pick to take him. One question i have though. Is his left hand as bad as it seemed in these few summer league games? I saw more than a handful of times where he dribbled down court lefty and looked like a 9th grader finally trying out for a team.